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#1 Smart Ali

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:26 PM

Assalam alaikum
hazrat mera ahle hadith say facebook per manazrah chal raha hay. baat mazarat per jana or un kay waseelay say manga shirk hay. ya topic rakkah. mager ahle kahbees nay bola pehlay kachi or pakki qaber per baat start karo. us nay kaha pehlay mien dalil dayta hoon.

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Amir Hamza




Main kehta hun ki aam muslim ho chahe khaas muslim ya koi nabi hi kyun na ho, kisi ki bhi qbr ko pukhta karna aur wahan quba bnana shariyat men haram hai aur aisa karne walo par pyare rasul saw ne laanat bheji hai.
Ye mera daawa hai aur main apne daawe ki dalil vi pesh karne laga hun. . . . . .

Amir Hamza




Ye lo main apne dawe ki pehli dalil pesh karne wala hun. . .



Ok, thats fine,
May allah forgive all ur sin.



Sahi bukhari
Buk of janaza
Hadith no. 1341
Ye hai hadith ka refrance jo avi main pura context ke sath de raha hun.

Amir Hamza




Hazrat ayesha rza kehti hain ki jb ap saw beemar pade to apki kch biwiyo ( umme salma aur umme habiba rza ) ne 1 church ka zikr kiya jo unhone habsha/ethopia men dekha tha. Unhone uski khubsurti aur usmen rakhi hui tasveer ka vi zikr kiya. Pyare rasul ne farmaya ki ye wo log hai jb unmen koi naek saaleh admi mar jata to uski qbr par masjid bna lete aur unmein tasveer rakhte. Allah ke nazdik ye log sari makhluq men sbse bure hain.

Amir Hamza




Murdo ki qbro par mazar bna kar urs lagane walo, dekho pyare rasul ne tm logo ko sari duniya ke sbse bura admi kaha hai.



Smart tmne apni bat ki dalil ni di ki aam logo ki qbr ko pukhta ni kiya ja sakta magar khas logo ki kiya ja skta hai.



Kya hua ali bhai?

Amir Hamza




Ali tm kam se kam apne is daawe ki koi dalil pesh karo ki common muslim ki qbro ko pukhta karna aur unpar quba bnana haram hai magar tmhare naam nihaad waliyo aur sufiyo ki qbro par jaez hai?
Kam se kam iski koi dalil pesh to kar do?



Ok, I am waiting, dekhte hain kb ap reply karte hain.


HAZRAT is ka REPLY kerdien. plzzz help. muihjay ahle kahbees ko moo tor jawab dayna hay. JA UL HUQ may hadeesien hien mager un ka reference nahi hay. for example : hadith#, BOOK ka page# etc

PLZZ HELP

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:54 PM

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Bhai Sb sab say pahlay tu app yah dakhiya kay Munazra karna Ulma Kiram ka kam hay app ka nahi. Isi kam ilmi ki waja say buhat say loog Apnay sahi akiday say badzan bi ho jatay han our gumrah bi.

Kyun kay jab jawab ki zarorat parti hay tu koi jawab danay wala nahi milta, our phir is tarha shirmandagi bi hoti hay our phir apnay jhootay honay ka bi khayal ata hay. Agar koi app say kahay bi kuch tu us say kahiya kay kisi ilam say rabta karo....Khud nahi ana chahiya jab takk mukamal ilam our mozo par aboor na hasil ho.

Abb masla Rafa Yadaadn ka hi lay lan, najanay kitnay logon ko is tarha say Ahl'Sunnat say badzan kiya jata hay. Wo ahadees pash kartay han RafaYadeen kay karnay ki, our jab app kuch pash karan gay tu wo kahan gay yah tu zaeef hay.

Tu is lia bachna chahiya, jab tak kay mukamal ilam nahi hota app kay pass.

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سیدنا ابوھریرہ رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے۔

لوگوں سے اپنے لۓ کثرت سے احپھی دعائیں کروایا کرو۔ بندہ نہیں جانتا کہ


کس کی دعا اس کے حق میں قبول کی جاۓ۔ یا کس کی دعا کی وجہ سے اس پر رحم کیا جاۓ۔

کنزالعمال، 3188 --- موطا امام مالک

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:06 PM

hazrat ALHAMDO LILLAH koi muhjay ahle sunnat wa jammaaat brailve maslak say bud zun nahi ker sakta. allah muhjay insha allah brailvioon may rakhay ga or un hee may emaan kay sath maut ata fermai ga. ameen

ab JA UL HUQ ki baat ker laytay hien. is may bhukari, muslim shareef ki ahadith di gayee hien. jaisay bhukari, kitbaukl janaiz.....mager hadith# nahi hay. ya bara masla hay.

doosri baaat jo hadith ahle khabeees nay paish ki hay us ka kiya jawab hay?

last may ya baat kahooon ga kay jub kahi phunsta hoon to app jaisay shair mojood hien jo mayri help kertay hien. is liya facebook per jo bhi brailviyoon kay khilaaaaf zaher ugalta hay to mien kood jata hooon. muhj say berdasht nahi hota. kiun kay app jaisay sunni tiger mojood hien meray sath

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:19 PM

Post No.2 Hwala Jaat k Saath


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نبی پاک صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے اسم گرامی یا آپ کی صفت کے ساتھ پورا صلٰوۃوسلام لکھنا واجب ہے اور ص یا صلعم لکھنا مکروہ تحریمی ہے ، بلکہ بعض فقہا نے اس کو کفر کہا ہے ، لہذا اس سے اجتناب لازم ہے..مزید تفصیل کے لیے کلک کریں

Nabi PakKay Ism-e-Girami Ya Aap Ki Sift Kay Saath Poora Salat-O-Salam Likhna Wajib Hay Aor SAW , PBUH ص، صلعم Likhna Makrooh-e-Tahreemi Hay Balkeh Baaz Fuqha Nay Isko Kufr Kaha Hay , Lihaza Is Say Ijtenab Lazim Hay.It is Necessary (Wajib) to Write Complete Salat-o-Salam at the mentioning of the Messenger of Allah (Blessings And Peace Be Upon Him)) And using abbreviations (SAW , PUBH etc) Is Not Allowed , And To do so is Kufr , According To Some Scholar's Opinion. So We Should Avoid Using Abbrevations Or sufficing on one of the two, i.e. Salat (Blessings) & Salam (Peace).Correct Translation Of صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:01 AM

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مسئلہ حاضر ناظر سمجھنے کےلئے


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:15 AM

is hadees ka scan mil jaye to maza ajaye, aur is per baat bhi khatam ho jaye, ye to saaf likha hai....agar ye hadees hai to wahabio ko ye hadees q nahi dikhi,.... jazak Allah

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:41 PM

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مسئلہ حاضر ناظر سمجھنے کےلئے


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:32 PM

jazak Allah

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

toheed bhai is hadees me to baagh me jo qabre thi unko khodi hai, to ab agar is per aeteraaz ho ke ye to baagh ke liye tha, us hukm ka is me nahi hai to???
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:47 PM

Mien nay ja al huq may say ashab-e-kaif ka kissa nakal ker kay us ko behja to us nay ya reply kiya

AHLE KHABEES kay Reply:

Amir Hamza

Ise kehte hain: khisiyani billi khanba noche.

Amir Hamza

Dost ashab e kahf ke waqye se hargiz sabit nahin hota ki qbro par masjid aur quba bnaya jaez hai.
Main tmse puchta hun kya ashab e kahf ki qaum wale nabi the ya kya the?
Jb wo nabi nahin the to unka amal hamare liye hujjat kaise ho sakta hai.
Main dalil de raha hun ki mohammad ur rasulullah saw ne qbro par masjid bnane walo ko duniya ke sbse bure log kaha ( bukhari hadith no. 1340 ) aur tm ajeeb admi ho jo keh rahe ho ki ashab e kahf ki qaum walo ne unki qbro par masjid bnayi! Main puchta hun bat kiski mani jayegi, aakhiri rasul ki jinke bad koi nabi nahin ane wala ya fir akhiri nabi se hazaro saal pehle guzri kisi qaum ke logo ki?
Btao kiski bat mani jayegi?


Khalfan Ahmad
ویسے یہ استدلال تو صرف انہی بھائی نے لیا ھے اس آیت سے وہ کیسے


Khalfan Ahmad
وَكَذَلِكَ أَعْثَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ لِيَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَأَنَّ السَّاعَةَ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهَا إِذْ يَتَنَازَعُونَ بَيْنَهُمْ أَمْرَهُمْ ۖ فَقَالُوا ابْنُوا عَلَيْهِمْ بُنْيَانًا ۖ رَبُّهُمْ أَعْلَمُ بِهِمْ ۚ قَالَ الَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا عَلَى أَمْرِهِمْ لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِمْ مَسْجِدًا﴿018:021﴾

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Pehle main tmhare cmnt ko repeat karta hun fir uska jawab deta hun, tmne likha hai ki:
" aur unhone kaha ki ashab e kahf par aisi deewar bnao jo inki qbr ko ghairey aur inki mazarat logo ke janey se mehfooz ho jaye jaise nabi pak saw ki qbr ko char deewari se ghair diya gaya hai"
Magar ye bat namanzoor hui tb masjid bnayi gayi.
Ye hai ali tmhara pura cmnt ise gaur se pado aur dosto ap sb vi ali ke is cmnt ko gaur se padiye aur ali ke jhuth ko samajhiye tb tk main isi se related cmnt likh raha hun. . . . .


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Khalfan bhai tarjuma vi kar dijiye.


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اور اسی طرح ہم نے (لوگوں کو) ان (کے حال) سے خبردار کر دیا تاکہ وہ جانیں کہ خدا کا وعدہ سچا ہے اور یہ کہ قیامت (جس کا وعدہ کیا جاتا ہے) اس میں کچھ بھی شک نہیں۔ اس وقت لوگ انکے بارے میں باہم جھگڑنے لگے اور کہنے لگے کہ ان (کے غار) پر عمارت بنا دو ان کا پروردگار ان (کے حال) سے خوب واقف ہے، جو لوگ ان کے معاملے میں غلبہ رکھتے تھے وہ کہنے لگے کہ ہم ان (کے غار) پر مسجد بنائیں گے۔

Khalfan Ahmad
اس سے اگلی آیت بھی کچھ کہہ رہی ھے

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سَيَقُولُونَ ثَلَاثَةٌ رَابِعُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ خَمْسَةٌ سَادِسُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ رَجْمًا بِالْغَيْبِ ۖ وَيَقُولُونَ سَبْعَةٌ وَثَامِنُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ ۚ قُلْ رَبِّي أَعْلَمُ بِعِدَّتِهِمْ مَا يَعْلَمُهُمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلٌ ۗ فَلَا تُمَارِ فِيهِمْ إِلَّا مِرَاءً ظَاهِرًا وَلَا تَسْتَفْتِ فِيهِمْ مِنْهُمْ أَحَدًا﴿018:022﴾ (بعض لوگ) لوگ بظاہر کچھ کہیں گے کہ وہ تین تھے (اور) چوتھا ان کا کتا تھا اور (بعض) کہیں گے کہ وہ پانچ تھے اور چھٹا ان کا کتا تھا (اور بعض) کہیں گے کہ وہ سات تھے اور آٹھواں ان کا کتا تھا۔ کہہ دو کہ میرا پروردگار ہی ان کے شمار سے خوب واقف ہے ان کو جانتے بھی ہیں تو تھوڑے ہی لوگ (جانتے ہیں) تو تم ان (کے معاملہ) میں گفتگو نہ کرنا مگر سرسری سی گفتگو اور نہ ان کے بارے میں ان میں سے کسی سے کچھ دریافت ہی کرنا۔


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Ab tmhare cmnt pad kar malum hua ki ashab e kahf ka zamana nabi saw ke bad ka hai tabhi to un logo ne kaha ki "is tarah in logo ki qbr ko ghair do jaisey nabi pak saw ki qbr ko ghaira gaya hai".
Yahan par ali bhai apne bahut bada iblisi khel khelne ki koshish ki hai aur hum sb logo ko dhokha de kar bach nikalna chahte hain kyunki hum sbko malum hai ki ashab e kahf ka zamana nabi pak saw se hazaro saal pehle ka zamana hai, magar tmhare cmnt se sabit ho raha hai ki unka zamana nabi pak saw ke bad ka hai tabhi to wo dalil ke taur par nabi saw ki qbr ka istemal kar rahe hain.
Ali bhai kch vi likhne se pehle ek bar soch liya karo.


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Ab kya kehte ho ali, ashab e kahf ke bare mein detail mein guftugu karne se khud quran hamein mana kar raha hai, to fir btao fir is waqye se koi masla kaise hal ho sakta hai?

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Kya hua smart ali bhai, tmhare pas koi sahi dalil hai ki nahin jo ye sabit kare ki qbro ko pukhta karna aur unpar masajid bnana jaez hai?

Agar tmhare pas dalil ho to pesh karo, inshallah hum zarur manenge.
Agar nahin hai to apne is aqeede se laut ao kyunki shirk ko kholne wala darwaza hai ye amal. Agar ab vi yaqeen nahin ata to bolo tmhen aur vi dalil hm de sakte hain!
Magar yar kch to response do?


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Tmne mere bhai ye vi kaha tha ki aam muslim ki qbr ko pukhta karna aur unpar quba karna haram hai magar buzurgo ki qbr ko pukhta karna aur unpar masajid bnana jaez hai, main tmse puchta hun is aqeede ka subut pesh karo? Kahan se? Quran se aur pyare rasul ki sahi ahadith se.
Agar koi dalil hai to pesh karo ni to apne aqeeday se ruju karo ki yahi sahi tarika hai, kamyabi isi mein hai.

Edited by Smart Ali, 21 November 2012 - 07:53 PM.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:37 PM

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:35 AM

hazrat ALHAMDO LILLAH koi muhjay ahle sunnat wa jammaaat brailve maslak say bud zun nahi ker sakta. allah muhjay insha allah brailvioon may rakhay ga or un hee may emaan kay sath maut ata fermai ga. ameen

ab JA UL HUQ ki baat ker laytay hien. is may bhukari, muslim shareef ki ahadith di gayee hien. jaisay bhukari, kitbaukl janaiz.....mager hadith# nahi hay. ya bara masla hay.

doosri baaat jo hadith ahle khabeees nay paish ki hay us ka kiya jawab hay?

last may ya baat kahooon ga kay jub kahi phunsta hoon to app jaisay shair mojood hien jo mayri help kertay hien. is liya facebook per jo bhi brailviyoon kay khilaaaaf zaher ugalta hay to mien kood jata hooon. muhj say berdasht nahi hota. kiun kay app jaisay sunni tiger mojood hien meray sath


Ap ka jazba Qabil e Tehseen hay.Har Muslaman ko ahle batil kay samnay diffa e Haqq kerna chahey.Per is kay lea zaroori hay kay Ulma e AhleSunnat say rabta rakhay aor ULma ke kitabon ka mutala karain.

Kuch Guzarishat hain;

1) Topic post karnay say pehlay is forum ko search kar kay pehlay say mojood motaliqa topics perh lea kejeay.
jasiay .
http://www.islamimeh...ahaba-o-auliya/

2) Wahabi tola khud ko Salafi yani Aslaf kay naqash e qadam per chalnay wala kehta hay tu..... os se mutalaba kejeay kay "Ambiya o Auliya" kay mazazrat na banane kay khilaf "Sareeh Daleel" aslaaf say paish karay. Daleel mai Ambiya o Auliya ka tazkara hona zaroori hay.kio kay wahabi jin Ahadees ko Mazarat kay khilaf paish karta hay wo oska shaitani qiyas hay aor aisa Aslaaf se sabit nahi.

3) EK topic Wahabi nay Ahlesunnat ky khilaf shoro kya hay ek ap wahabi mazhab kay kufriya aqeeday per shoro kar dain.

Wahabi apney Aqaid e kufria se farar per drama karaya ga..... kahay ga kay ham sirf Quran o Hadees ko mantay hai.
Jab wo ye jhoot bolay tu os se kahain kay Quran o Hadees kay mutabiq he hukm bayan kar do........ mojada wahabi ulma se radd le aao.....phir daikhain wahabi kaisay bhagta hay!!!
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

hazrat "JA AL HUQ" ka aik say "BAHES MAZART OLIYA ALLAH PER GUNBAD BANANA" reference mien nay ahle kahbeees ko diya. us nay kaha jo reference diya wo to SAHIH BHUKARI may mojood he nahi hay.

ya reference diya hay :


Book= SAHIH BHUKARI, Jild#1 , kitab al janaiz baab aljareed alul qaber, page#426
is may hay kay jub Hazrat Imam Hassan ibne hassan ibne ali radi allah talah anho ka intayqal ho gaya
Translation : " TO IN KI BV NAY IN KI QABER PER AIK SAAL TK QUBA DALAY RAKKAH"
ya bhi sahaba karam kay zamanay may sub ki mojooodgi may howa. kisi nay inkar nahi kiya. naeez in ki bv aik saal tk wahan rahee phir gahr wapis ai.

un ka kehna hay ya koi hadith bhukari may nahi milli. hadith number tumharay pass nahi hay. tm hamay bhukari sharif say ya hadith dhika do ager mojood hay to. mien ya hadith kahan dhoondoo?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:08 PM

محترم آپ سعید الحق فی تخریج جاء الحق کا مطالعہ کرین۔لنک یہ ہے۔



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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:10 PM

HAzrat jo link app nay diya hay wo mien study ker choka hoon. us hee may say bhukari sharif ki hadith us ko quote ki thi. mager wo keh raha hay aisi koi hadith bhukari may nahi hay. tm nay perhi hogi na ya hadith. tm dhika do ya hadith bhukari may. JA AL HUQ say nakal ker kay us ko send ki thi. wo ya bhi keh raha hay hadith no kiya hay wo bhi nahi likha

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:13 PM

AHLE KHABEES ka reply:

Brailvioon nay aik hadith mazar per gunbad bananay ki di. bhukari sharif say. or khoob choray ho gayee. hadith ka topic bhi soun lien. qaber per masjid banana makrooh hay :D masjid per quba banana sabit kernay chalay thay , masjid banana gahlat hay ya sabit ho gaya :D ab kiya karo gay brailviooon :)

Doosri baaaat un ho nay khema gara tha or baad may hata bhi liya tha :) app ko mien poori hadith paish kerta hoon. takay brailvioon ki terhaan munafiqoon wala kaam na ho :) app khud perhien or sochien

ab is hadith kay baray may or kiya bolo gay???

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:22 PM

ab mien aik hadith paish kerta hoon. ab dehko qaber per majid banana kaisa hay? bhukari ki hadith hay. perho or brailvioon apnay ammal say tauba karo

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:40 PM

hazrat "JA AL HUQ" say "BAHES MAZART OLIYA ALLAH PER GUNBAD BANANA" reference mien nay ahle kahbeees ko diya. us nay kaha jo reference diya wo to SAHIH BHUKARI may mojood he nahi hay.

ya reference diya hay :


Book= SAHIH BHUKARI, Jild#1 , kitab al janaiz, baab aljareed alul qaber, page#426

is may hay kay jub Hazrat Imam Hassan ibne hassan ibne ali radi allah talah anho ka intayqal ho gaya
Translation : " TO IN KI BV NAY IN KI QABER PER AIK SAAL TK QUBA DALAY RAKKAH"
ya bhi sahaba karam kay zamanay may sub ki mojooodgi may howa. kisi nay inkar nahi kiya. naeez in ki bv aik saal tk wahan rahee phir gahr wapis ai

1, mien nay jub sahih bhukari may dehka jo kay mien oper attach ker kay post kiya hay. us may bhi ya BAAB nahi hay jo JA AL HUQ may hay. kiya JA AL HUQ may reference gahlat hay????

2, AHLE KHABEES nay kaha bhukari sharif may ya taleequn kaha hay. ya hadith nahi hay. hadith sanad kay sath hoti hay. kiya SAHIH BHUKARI may jo taleequn kaha hay kiya wo HADITH nahi hoti??





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