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#21 Mudasir Yaseen

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 09:38 AM

Asslamoalaikum,
Yeh baat bilkul sahih hai k jab tak insaan k aqaed darust na hon tab tak koi amal qabool nahin hota.

Shoaib ab tum ne theek baat kahi hay.

InshaAllah main aqaed k mozoo per hi post keroon ga. Bohat si baaten aisi hain jo sirf ham ne jazbaati andaaz main apnai hui hain. InshaAllah ahista ahista different topics per azhaar keroon ga. Jahan mujhe galat samjhain daleel k saath islaah ker dain aur jahan apna galat hona nazar aaye wahan apni islaah ker lain. Allah ham sab ko hadayat de. Aameen

Chalo ye b achhi baat hay k "Tum ne ye b maan liya k pahile aqa'id par hee guftugu honi chahiye.
Mery khayaal men tum ko jo baaten Aashiq-e-Mustafa bhai ne batayee hain: Ismaeel Dehlvi sahab k baary men, un k baary men kya khaytaal hay tumhaara ?
Kya aisee baaten karny wala musalmaan ho sakta hay ?
Pahile tum in k baary men batao.
یہ دیِن سیِد عالم کی خدمت کی سعادت ہے
کہ دنیا بھرمیں مشہورمسلک اعلٰیحضرت کا
امام احمدرضا سے جلتے ہیں جونام کے سید
انہیں بھاری پڑیگا حشر میں دعویٰ سیادت کا


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Posted 24 September 2007 - 09:56 AM

Shoaib ab tum ne theek baat kahi hay.


Chalo ye b achhi baat hay k "Tum ne ye b maan liya k pahile aqa'id par hee guftugu honi chahiye.
Mery khayaal men tum ko jo baaten Aashiq-e-Mustafa bhai ne batayee hain: Ismaeel Dehlvi sahab k baary men, un k baary men kya khaytaal hay tumhaara ?
Kya aisee baaten karny wala musalmaan ho sakta hay ?
Pahile tum in k baary men batao.

Thora sa intezar main aik aik point per baat keroon ga, inshaAllah
Pehle kuch galatfehmian hain woh door ker laine dain jaise k kia ummat main sirak ho sakta hai k nahin aur iss tarah ki doosri baten jo barri wajah hain hamare dermian ikhtilaaf ki.
Zaati ibaaraat per bhi baat ho gi, aur inshaAllah jab Ahmed Raza khan sahib ki Ibaaraat bhi samne hon gi phir sahih nateeja nikle ga.
Abhi main Aqaed per hi baat keroon ga aur unn aqaed pr jo ahlehadees aur brelviat k dermian jhagre ka baes hain unn aqaed per apna khayal Quran o Sunnat ki roshni main pesh keroon ga. Sirf thora sa intezar phir aik k baad aik post diff. topics per bhejoon ga jo main likh raha hoon.
abhi filhaal aik post aam islah k liye bhej raha hoon umeed hai zaroor parhen ge.
http://www.islamimeh...?showtopic=2496

Edited by talinenoor, 24 September 2007 - 09:59 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2007 - 10:52 AM

Thora sa intezar main aik aik point per baat keroon ga, inshaAllah
Pehle kuch galatfehmian hain woh door ker laine dain jaise k kia ummat main sirak ho sakta hai k nahin aur iss tarah ki doosri baten jo barri wajah hain hamare dermian ikhtilaaf ki.
Zaati ibaaraat per bhi baat ho gi, aur inshaAllah jab Ahmed Raza khan sahib ki Ibaaraat bhi samne hon gi phir sahih nateeja nikle ga.
Abhi main Aqaed per hi baat keroon ga aur unn aqaed pr jo ahlehadees aur brelviat k dermian jhagre ka baes hain unn aqaed per apna khayal Quran o Sunnat ki roshni main pesh keroon ga. Sirf thora sa intezar phir aik k baad aik post diff. topics per bhejoon ga jo main likh raha hoon.
abhi filhaal aik post aam islah k liye bhej raha hoon umeed hai zaroor parhen ge.
http://www.islamimeh...?showtopic=2496



talinenoor tumny phir mozu se hat kar post karna shuru kar di ki taqleed wajib hai ya nahin ya ahle sunnat me jo mukhtalif din manaye jaty hain wo manana jayaz hai ya nahin...tumsy kaha ja raha hai ki tum pehly apna imaan sabit karo or ahle hadeeson ka haq par hona sabit karo phir furuhaat or degar masail par behas hogi.abhi me tum ko warn kar raha hu is section ko chor kar kahin or pasting na karna....is liye jab tak tum is behas ko pura nahin karogy tab tak tumhari post approved nahin ki jayengi....

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 01:52 PM

Asslamoalaikum,
Yeh Sahih nahin hai. Abhi to sirf pehli hi post thi usse udher hi rehne dete delete kion ki ta k sab dekh sakte kon sahih keh raha hai
Abhi to start hi lia tha aur uss main zara sa bhi kissi ko abuse nahin kia gaya. tum logon main daleel se baat kerne ki himmat nahin. aik aisi post ko bhi delete ker dia gaya hai jiss main koi tanqeed nahin ki gai to phir tab kia ho ga jab tanqeedi baten saamne aayen gi.
yeh kia baat hai Eeman sabit kero? Ager yehi shart tum logon per laga di jae to tum kaise Eeman saabit kero ge?
Bolne ka haq to do jahan galat hoonn Nishandahi kero, Islah kero yeh kia k post hi delete ker di. itni Buzdali.

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 04:14 PM

Hey Bro Jab Kud Tasleem Kiya Hai Kay Aaqaid Par bat honi Chahiye (Pehlay) Too Ab Munkar Kiyon Ban Rahay Hoo
Kud Ko haq par Sabit Karooo Pir Jitni Marzi Posts Karna Koi Nahin Rookay ga Na Hi Del Karay Ga

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 07:58 PM

Thora sa intezar main aik aik point per baat keroon ga, inshaAllah
Pehle kuch galatfehmian hain woh door ker laine dain jaise k kia ummat main sirak ho sakta hai k nahin aur iss tarah ki doosri baten jo barri wajah hain hamare dermian ikhtilaaf ki.
Zaati ibaaraat per bhi baat ho gi, aur inshaAllah jab Ahmed Raza khan sahib ki Ibaaraat bhi samne hon gi phir sahih nateeja nikle ga.
Abhi main Aqaed per hi baat keroon ga aur unn aqaed pr jo ahlehadees aur brelviat k dermian jhagre ka baes hain unn aqaed per apna khayal Quran o Sunnat ki roshni main pesh keroon ga. Sirf thora sa intezar phir aik k baad aik post diff. topics per bhejoon ga jo main likh raha hoon.
abhi filhaal aik post aam islah k liye bhej raha hoon umeed hai zaroor parhen ge.
http://www.islamimeh...?showtopic=2496

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 10:05 PM

Asslamoalaikum,
Yeh Sahih nahin hai. Abhi to sirf pehli hi post thi usse udher hi rehne dete delete kion ki ta k sab dekh sakte kon sahih keh raha hai
Abhi to start hi lia tha aur uss main zara sa bhi kissi ko abuse nahin kia gaya. tum logon main daleel se baat kerne ki himmat nahin. aik aisi post ko bhi delete ker dia gaya hai jiss main koi tanqeed nahin ki gai to phir tab kia ho ga jab tanqeedi baten saamne aayen gi.
yeh kia baat hai Eeman sabit kero? Ager yehi shart tum logon per laga di jae to tum kaise Eeman saabit kero ge?
Bolne ka haq to do jahan galat hoonn Nishandahi kero, Islah kero yeh kia k post hi delete ker di. itni Buzdali.

Waah Shoaib waah. Pahily to tum ne yahaan par aa kar bola tha k Ahl-e-Hadith par kiya gaye har aitiraaz ka mein jawaab doonga. Phir kuchh hee waqt k ba'ad emotional ho gaye thy. Phir ab waapas usssi baat par aa gaye, jahaan pahily thy.
Ary bhai jab tum ye maan rahy ho k aqeedah hee bunyaad hay, to aqa'id par hee baat karo na.
Hayat-un-Nabi (saw), Haazir-o-Naazir, aur Ilm-e-Ghaib. In Aqaq'id par baat karo, aur apny akaabireen ki kitaabon ki roshini men baat karna. Phir ye mat kahna k "Ismaeel Dehlvi Sahab" ki baat hamary lye hujat nahin hay. Agar aisee hee baat hay to phir us ki kitaab "Taqwiyat-ul-Emaan" aur "Sirat-e-Mustaqeem" (Jo k nihayat hee gandy aur kufriya aqa'ud se bhari pari hain) kyoun abhi tak lakhon ki ta'adaad men chap rahi hain. Agar us ki baat tumhaary lye hujat nahin hay to phir us ki gandi ibaraton k baary men kya kahty ho tum ?
Ab idhar udhar mat bhaagina, seedhy tareeqy se jawaab denna.
یہ دیِن سیِد عالم کی خدمت کی سعادت ہے
کہ دنیا بھرمیں مشہورمسلک اعلٰیحضرت کا
امام احمدرضا سے جلتے ہیں جونام کے سید
انہیں بھاری پڑیگا حشر میں دعویٰ سیادت کا


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Posted 24 September 2007 - 10:05 PM

Asslamoalaikum,
Yeh Sahih nahin hai. Abhi to sirf pehli hi post thi usse udher hi rehne dete delete kion ki ta k sab dekh sakte kon sahih keh raha hai
Abhi to start hi lia tha aur uss main zara sa bhi kissi ko abuse nahin kia gaya. tum logon main daleel se baat kerne ki himmat nahin. aik aisi post ko bhi delete ker dia gaya hai jiss main koi tanqeed nahin ki gai to phir tab kia ho ga jab tanqeedi baten saamne aayen gi.
yeh kia baat hai Eeman sabit kero? Ager yehi shart tum logon per laga di jae to tum kaise Eeman saabit kero ge?
Bolne ka haq to do jahan galat hoonn Nishandahi kero, Islah kero yeh kia k post hi delete ker di. itni Buzdali.



tumhari post delete nahin ki gayi hai balkli unapproved ki gayi hai or fikr na karo wo post delete nahin ki jayegi..ye buzdili sunniyon me nahin...us post ko tab tak unapproved rakha jayega jab tak tum un aqaid par behas puri nahin kar lete jin ka wasta imaan se hai or jin kufriyaat par raazi hony par momin imaan se haath dho beth ta hai. Jin mozu ko tum discuss karna chah rahy ho wo secondry hain unky ikhtelaaafi hony me to koi shak nahin par wo furuhaat me ikhtelaaf hain jaisy Taqleed, Rafa Yden, Isaal E Sawaab etc..Pehly Allah (azw) or usky Rasool (saw) ki zaat or sifaat se mutalliq tum be deeno ka jo aqeeda hai or tumhary peshwaon ki books me jo gandagi Allah (azw) or usky Rasool (saw) ke khilaaf chapi hai ya to us par behas karo ya un se apni baraat ka izhaar kar unky khilaaf jo hukm e shariya hai us ko accept karo.

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 03:50 AM

mazrat chahta hoon keh main kuch dair say reply kar raha hoon.

aur topic kaheen ka kaheen nikal gaya hay.

anywayz shoaib agar Aqaid par baat karna chahta hay tau phir behtar yeh hay keh hum ALLAH ki zaat e paak kay baaray main aqaid discuss karain .

Brelvi hazrat ka Ahlehadees ho jana kahani nahin hai Ek haqeeqat hai. Aap logon k nazren churane se haqeeqat badal nahin sakti.


Brelvi hazrat ka Ahlehadees ho jana kahani nahin hai Ek haqeeqat hai. Aap logon k nazren churane se haqeeqat badal nahin sakti.


Sub say pehlay tau yeh yaad rakho keh gumraah honay par koi pabandi tau nahi hai.


agar aik ANTIHADEES molvi apnay hee molvi ki PAISHEEN GOI kay mutabiq ANTIHADEES SAY QADIYANI HO SAKTA HAY (hawala day doon kaya???)

aur yeh antihadees say qadiani maloom hay kis ki gustakhi ki wajah say huwa tha............Imam e Azam Abbu Haneefa(ra) ki gustakhi karnay ki wajah say.



jub Antihadees Munazir Sadiq kohati Shia ho sakta hay tau phir agar koi aisa shakhs jis ko apnay mazhab kay baaray main ilm nahi tau agar aisa barelvi kissi antihadees kay dhokay main aakar Sunni say antihadees hho jaye tau phir iss main kaya tension hay.


bus Bukhari Shareef say apni marzi ki kuch hadeesain hee dikhani hoti hain keh yeh daikho yeh kay likha hay aur tum kaya kartay ho aur uss ki apni marzi say tashreeh karni hoti hay bys.

aur woh bhi baghair tehqeeq kiye keh mai jo pehlay karta tha uss kay kaya dalaail hain antihadees ki baat maan lay tau phir koi kaya kar sakta hay.

Yeh acha mutaliba hai k yeh dikhao k Nabi (saw) ne RafaYaden ka hukam dia ho? Kia Nabi (saw) ne namaz k start wale RafaYaden ka hukam dia hai? Kia Nabi (saw) ne Eid kia namaz main jo RafaYaden kia jata hai uss ka hukam dia hai? Kia jo witr main qanoot se pehle ahnaaf RafaYaden kerte hain uss ka hukam dia hai? Ya inn se mutaliq koi qauli hadees milti hai?


aap tau jazbaati ho gaye hain. main nay iss liye raffa yaddain kay liye Qauli Hadees mangi thi kiun keh Muslim Shareef ki saheeh ahadees main RASOOL ALLAH(saw) nay rakoo walay raffa yaddain say manna kar diyya hay.

RASOOL ALLAH(saw) nay NAMAZ kay start walay rafa yaddain ka hukm diyya hay .

Hazrat Abdullah Ibne Abbas(ra) aur Hazrat Abdullah Ibne Umer(ra) say riwayat hay .RASOOL ALLAH (saw) nay farmaaya keh" 7 jagah haath uthaye jain. Namaz shiru kartay waqt, ka'ba shareef kay samnay munh kartay waqt, Safa aur Marwa ki paharrion par, aur dau(2) moqaf Minna' o Muzdalifa hain aur donon Jamron kay samnay.

iss hadees ko Allama Bazaz nay Almasnad,Imam Ibne Abi Shaiba nay Almusannaf,Imam Bukhari nay alAdab ul Mufrid main, Imam Hakim nay AlMustadrak main naqal ki hay. Imam Baihaqi aur Imam Tahaavi aur Imam Bazzaz nay bhi naqal ki hay. kuch riwayaat main Eidain ki namaz ka zikr bhi aata hay

Hafiz Haissmi rehmatullah alaih bayan kartay hain

Hazrat Abdullah Ibne Abbas(ra) aur Hazrat Abdullah ibne Umer(ra) say riwayat hay keh RASOOL ALLAH(saw) nay farmaaya keh 7 muqamat par hath uthaye jain. Namaz start kartay huway,ka'ba shareef main dakhil hotay waqt, Saffa par, amrwa par, Arfat kay maidan main,Muzdalifa main aur rammi jammar kartay huway.
Imam tibrani nay iss hadees ko Muajam Kabeer aur Muajam Oast mian riwayat kiyya hay.

Majma ul Zawaid vol_3 pg.238 Published DarulKitab Arabi 1402 hijri.
Majma ul Zawaid vol_2 pg.103 Published DarulKitab Arabi 1402 hijri.

Musannaf Ibn e Abbi Shaiba Vol_1 pg.236-237 Publishde idara Quran Karachi 1406 Hijri

Iss kay ilawa Imam Tibrani nay marfuu'an riwayat kiyya hay keh RASOOL ALLAH (saw) nay farmaaya keh 7 jagah haath uthaye jain. Namaz kay shiru main takbeere tehreema kehtay waqt, qunoot ki takbeer kehtay waqt, aur Eidain ki takbeer kehtay waqt, ka'ba shareef main dakhil hotay waqt, Marwa ki paharri par, jub Arfa kay din wuqoof karay aur jamratul Aqba ko rammi karay




baqi yeh keh main uss rafa yaddain ka zikr kar raha hoon jis ko aap Sunnat e Namaz samjh kar rukoo main jaatay aur wapis aatay huway kartay ho.Eidain aur Witr kay rafa yaddain Sunnat e rukoo nahi balkeh Namz e Eid aur Dua e Qunoot ki sunnatain hain. iss liye eid main aik raka't main 3 bar rafa yaddain hota hay aur witr main rukoo say pehlay nahi balkeh Dua e Qunnoot say pehlay hota hay.

jaisay Eidain ki namaz main Khutba jamat waghaira aur Witr main Dua e Qunoot ,3 raka't waghaira khusoosi sifat hain issi tarh 6 takbeerain aur 6 raffa yaddain eidain ki khusoosiyat hay.

agar tum Namaz Panjgaana ko Eidain aur witr par qayaas kartay ho tau phir hur Rukoo par 3 dafa rafa yaddain kiyya karo aur hur namaz main dua e qunoot parha karo

Issi tarah kia Nabi (saw) ne kahin hukam dia hai k Namaz main haath bandho ya naaf ke neeche baandho to abb kia haath baandhne chor die jaen ge. Phir yeh sharat sirf Rakoo wale Rafayaden k liye hi kion hai?


jee naaf kay neeche haath bandhnay kay liye tau aap yeh article parhain yeh khaas aap kay liye hee hay jo aap seenay par hath baandh kar kharray ho jaatay ho. inn main bukhari shareef ki ya sehaah sitta main say koi hadees nahi milti.
aap issi ka jawab lay aain.

http://www.islamiedu...id28/index.html

Doosra yeh k kia sirf deen wohi hai jis ka Nabi (saw) hukam dain, jo Aap (saw) karen woh deen nahin hai. jin masael main Aap (saw) ka amal milta ho kia woh sab khatam ker die jaen. Iss tarh to Deen ka hulia hi bagar jae ga.

hur Hadees e fa'li say sunnat sabit nahi hoti. kiun keh iss main yeh ehtamaal hota hay keh shaid yeh RASOOL ALLAh(saw) ka khaasa ho, ho sakta hay mansookh ho, ho sakta hay ibtadae islam ki bata ho.

issi tarah Hadees e fa'li main buhat see aisi cheezain hain jo RASOOL ALLAH(saw) kay liye jaiz hain laikin ummat kay liye najaiz hain. jaisay keh chaar say ziada azwaaj ka RASOOL ALLAH(saw) kay nikah main aik waqt main hona. aur Bukhari shareef main hay keh RASOOL ALLAH(saw) apni nawasi Umama binte Zainab ko utha kar namaz parha kartay thay. laikin iss ko koi bhi apnay liye sunnat nahi samjhta.

Hadees e Fa'li main tau yeh bhi aaya hay keh RASOOL ALLAH (s)


Rahi baat Jabir bin Sumra R.A wali hadees ki to InshaAllah jald uss ka tafseeli jawab doon ga. Abhi sirf itna goar karen k iss hadees main to Rakoo jate Rakoo se uthte waqt RafaYaden kerne ka naam o nishaan bhi nahin. Lakin ager aap main se koi kahe k Jab RafaYaden ka lafaz mojood hai to phir Rakoo wala RafaYaden bhi aa gaya to phir iss hadees se Shuroo namaz wala RafaYaden bhi to band hona chahiye. Witer wala RafaYaden bhi to band hona chahiye. Eid ki namaz wale RafaYaden bhi to band hona chahiye.
Iss Hadees per hood ahnaaf jis tarah samajhte hai amal nahin kerte.


Hazrat Jabir bin Sumra(ra) ki hadees ka jau mafhoom hay woh tau ss munazira main Sunni Hanfi Munazir nay aap kay munazir ko bata diyya hay abb aap kay pass kaya mafhoom hay woh aap bata dain.

روحي لروحك الفداء يا حبيبي يا سيدي رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم
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Posted 25 September 2007 - 02:59 PM

Asslamoalaium,
Mera naam Shoaib hai. MAin pehle Brelvi tha lakin aAlhamdulillah abb Ahlehadees hoon.
Iss forum per Ahlehadees ke khilaaf jo ilzaam lagae gae hain, Aik waqt tha k main bhi yehi kuch samajhta tha. Hata k Ahlehadees k peeche namaz bhi nahin parhta tha k yeh log to gustakh hai.
Mager jab Allah ne Quran o sunnat ki janib rehnumai ki to Zahen bhi taasub se paak ho gia.
Kia ilzaam tarashian daleel hoti hain?
Mujhe to aaj tak kisi brelvi aalim ne koi aisi daleel Rafa Yaden ya kissi aur Masle per nahin di jis se behter daleel Ahle hadees ke paas na ho (Alhamdulilla).
Lakin main phir bhi rigid nahin ager aap main se koi bhi kissi masle per mere saath baatcheet kerna chahta hai to main haazir hoon lakin baat ager daleel se ki jae.
Mujhe sirf darr iss baat ka hai k mujhe yahaan ban ker dia jae ga.
Allah ne to Yahood-o-Nisara se kaha hai k "AAo USS KALME KI TARAF JO HAM AUR TUM MAIN MUSHTARIK HAI" to phir ham sab to aik kalma parhne wale hain phir kia ham TAASUB se baalater ho ker Quran-o-Sunnat ki jaanib nahin aa sakte jo hamare dermian mushtarik cheez hai bajae iss k main yeh kehta rahoon k falan Ahlehadees aalim yeh kehta hai buss main to issi ko manoon ga aur Aap main se koi yeh kehta rahe k main to falan Brelvi Aalim ki baat hi maanon ga.
Hamari Dawet sirf Quran-o-Sunnat ko miar banana hai. Abb iss ki buniad per ager Ahlehadees Aalim ki baat Quran-o-Sunnat ke khilaaf ho to uss ki galat ager kissi doosre maslak ke aalim ki baat galat saabit ho to woh galat.
Quran main bhi Allah ne kaha hai k "AGER TUM MAIN KISSI BAAT MAIN IKHTILAAF HO JAE TO USSE LOTA DO ALLAH AUR USS KE RASOOL (SALLALLAH O ALEHE WASALIM) kI JAANIB"
Ager aap main se koi mere saath kissi masle per baat kerna chahta hai to main haazir hoon yaqeen se kehta hoon jo baat daleel se sabit ker di jae gi usse maan loon ga. Allah ham sab ko hadayat de.
Mera E.mail Address hai: ********@yahoo.com
Wasalam

Asslamoalaikum,
Yaqeen jaaniye aap sab ne jo tareeqa apna rakha hai woh bahes barae bahes k liye bohat acha hai. Lakin iss tarah isslaahi kaam hergiz nahin ho sakta.
Main aap logon ko kai mertaba bata chuka hoon k main Ahlehadees hua hoon Quran o Sunnat k dalael dekh ker. Mera maslak Quran aur Hadees hai na k Shah Ismail ya Molana Ahmed Raza.
Mujhe ye samajh nahin aati k main ne jo baat ki hi nahin main uss per daleel kion doon? Main ne kissi bhi apni post main Shah Ismail ka koi hawala dia tha jo mujhe un ki ibaaraat ke motaliq bian kerna zaroori hai ya main ne TAQWIAT-UL-IMAAN ki taraf dawet di thi jo main uss ka difa keroon
main ne to dawet di hai Quran o Hadees ki taraf uss per kissi ka koi aitraaz hai to aaye inshaAllah uss ka difa kreoon ga.
mere se aap log mera aqeeda poochen.
Main ne jo post ki thi jis ko urra dia gaya yehi thi k Quran aur Sunnat ko apnana chahiye her maamle main chahe woh aqeeda ho ya koi amal. Apni Apni baat per jame rehna aur uss k khilaaf koi baat sunane k liye tiyar hi na hona hergiz faedamand nahin.
Lakin aap log iss baat ko samajhna hi nahin chah rahe.
Phir dekh lain k mujh se to kaha jaata hai k sirf aqeede per baat ho gi lakin khud RafaYaden per bhi aik Bhai ne bahes ki hai. Abb aap log jo merzi kaho mere per sirf wohi kehna shart hai jo main kehna hi nahin chahta.
Lahaza meri aap sab se Guzarish hai ache tareeqe se bahes ko chalaya jae.
Main Aqeede per hi post keroon ga jiss ko galat mehsoos ho woh uss ki Quran o hadees ki roshni main islaah ker de. Lakin baat ko topic ke ander hi rakha jae werna baat ka batanger to ban sakta hai baat nahin ban sakti.
umeed hai aap musbat radeamal dikhaen ge
Aik aur baat clear ker doon k Ahlehadees ya Ahlesunnat ka naam istamaal kerna kissi ki malkiat nahin. Ahlehadees hona ya Ahlesunnat hona aap ka aqeeda o Amal batata hai mahez kehne se koi na to Ahlehadees hota hai na Ahlesunnat.
Jo apna Aqeeda o Amal Quran o Hadees wala rakhe, Quran o Sunnat ko apnaye wohi Ahlehadees hai wohi Ahlesunnat kehlaane ka haqdaar hai baaqi sab zubani dawe.
Allah samajhne ki tofeeq de, Aameen

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 03:46 AM

Asslamoalaikum,
Main aap logon ko kai mertaba bata chuka hoon k main Ahlehadees hua hoon Quran o Sunnat k dalael dekh ker.


Walaikum Salam bhai,,

Shoaib Bhai bawujood aap se Ikhtilaaf ke mein ye Accept karta hoon k aap ki niyat mein shak nahi hai,, aap ne doosre maslak ko apnaya hai,, quran o hadees se dalael dekh kar,, magar aap ne 1 ghalti ki wo ye ke pehle aap ko apne maslak ke aqaid k baare mein quran o hadees se dalael apne ulama se poochne chahiye the agar aap ko tasalli nahi hoti to aap kisi or se poochte to baat samajh me aa sakti thi,, hamare jitne sunni hazraat tablighi jamat waghera me ya shia waghera hoe hain,, un sab ne yehi kya tha,, apne maslak k baare mein ilm e deen na hone ki waja se ye samjha k hamare maslak k aqaid o aamaal quran o sunnat se sabit nahi is waja se bechare doosre taraf k molvi se dhoka kha gaye,,

Main ne kissi bhi apni post main Shah Ismail ka koi hawala dia tha jo mujhe un ki ibaaraat ke motaliq bian kerna zaroori hai ya main ne TAQWIAT-UL-IMAAN ki taraf dawet di thi jo main uss ka difa keroon


mein ne kab kaha bhai k aap ne shah ismail dehlvi sahab ki koi ibaraat zikr ki hai,, ham ne aap ko ye ibaraat isliye pesh ki hain k ye aap k maslak ki kitab hai,, jo k roz e roshan ki tara wazeh hai,, jis se aap inkaar bhi nahi kar sakte ke ye aap ke maslak ki kitaab nahi,,
agar bil farz aap inkaar karna chahein,, to seedha saadha keh dein k ye baat ghalat hai ya sahi,, agar ghalat hai to mein in ibarato se bara'at ka izhaar karta hoon or hamare maslak ka isse koi taalluq nahi,, jaise misaal k tor per agar aap
hamein TAZKIRA E GHOUSIA,, FAWAID E FARIDIA waghera k hawale paish karein,, to ham bila jhijhak keh sakte hain,, ke naa to ye hamare maslak ki motabar kutub hain naa is ki ibarato se ham muttafiq hain,,, bal ke tazkira e ghousia per to ham ne kufr tak ka fatwa dia hai,, ab aap k saamne do raaste hain,, ya to aap taqwiatul imaan or shah ismail sahab ka difaa karein ya phir un se bara'at ka izhaar kardein,,

mere se aap log mera aqeeda poochen.


Theek hai bhai mein poochta hoon, Allah paak k baare mein kya aqeeda hai aap ka,, wo jhoot bol sakta hai?

Main ne jo post ki thi jis ko urra dia gaya yehi thi k Quran aur Sunnat ko apnana chahiye her maamle main chahe woh aqeeda ho ya koi amal. Apni Apni baat per jame rehna aur uss k khilaaf koi baat sunane k liye tiyar hi na hona hergiz faedamand nahin.

muje aap ki post k bare mein to ilm nahi,, or mein aap se bilkul muttafiq hoon k Quran aur Sunnat ko apnana chahiye her maamle main chahe woh aqeeda ho ya koi amal.
per me ye zaroor kehna chahoonga k aap ko aisa kyun lagta hai k Ahle Sunnat Wa Jamaat,, Sawad e Azam Hanfi, Shafi'i Maliki Hanbli k Aqaid o Amaal Quran o Sunnat se Sabit nahi?? agar kisi ko ilm na ho to wo to ye keh sakta hai,, magar mere khayal mein 1 BAa ilm or Hosh mand aadmi aisa nahi keh sakta k Ummat e Mustafa ki Aksariat k Aqaid o Amaal Quran o Sunnat se sabit nahi,, or ye ke Ummat e Mustafa ki Aksariat Gumraah(Jahannumi) Hai,,

meri aap sab se Guzarish hai ache tareeqe se bahes ko chalaya jae.


I'm 100% agreed to you

Ahlehadees ya Ahlesunnat ka naam istamaal kerna kissi ki malkiat nahin. Ahlehadees hona ya Ahlesunnat hona aap ka aqeeda o Amal batata hai mahez kehne se koi na to Ahlehadees hota hai na Ahlesunnat.
Jo apna Aqeeda o Amal Quran o Hadees wala rakhe, Quran o Sunnat ko apnaye wohi Ahlehadees hai wohi Ahlesunnat kehlaane ka haqdaar hai baaqi sab zubani dawe.


me aap se poori tarah ittifaq karta hoon,, k Ahle sunnat lafz kisi ki milkiat nahi,, Ahle Sunnat hona aap ke aqeeda o amaal batata hai,, kehne se koi Ahle Sunnat nahi ho jata,, Jo apna aqeeda Quran o Sunnat wala rakhe Wohi Ahle Sunnat o Ahle Hadees hai baqi sab Zubani Daawe,, or yehi Ahle Sunnat Wa Jamaat Hanfi Shafi Maliki Hanbli kehte hain,,
jin ke Aqaid o Amaal 1400 saal se Tawatur se Nabi e Paak o Sahaba e Karaam se Saabit hain,,
mein aap ko bataon,, 1 martaba Zakir naik sahab Stage per the or Stage per Sunni Brelwi aalim bhi the,, to jab un aalim sahab ko taqreer ke liye bulaya jane laga to wo Jootiyaan pehne pehne hi aage tashreef le jaane lage un se kaha gaya k Jootiya to yahi chor jaen,, lekar kyun jaa rahe hain,, Allama sahib ne kaha,, k Hadees mein hai k Wahabi Jootiyaan Chura lete hain,, lehaza mein jootiyaa lekar jaa raha hoon,, Zakir naik sahab bole k Wahabi to Huzoor k Zamane mein the hi nahi,, Allama sahab muskurae or Kaha yehi to mein kehna chahta hoon k Aap wahabi hazraat Huzoor k Zamane mein the hi nahi,,

Edited by Aashique-Mustafa, 29 September 2007 - 08:41 AM.

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 10:27 AM

Walaikum Salam bhai,,

Shoaib Bhai bawujood aap se................... ,, lekar kyun jaa rahe hain,, Allama sahib ne kaha,, k Hadees mein hai k Wahabi Jootiyaan Chura lete hain,, lehaza mein jootiyaa lekar jaa raha hoon,, Zakir naik sahab bole k Wahabi to Huzoor k Zamane mein the hi nahi,, Allama sahab muskurae or Kaha yehi to mein kehna chahta hoon k Aap wahabi hazraat Huzoor k Zamane mein the hi nahi,,


Asslamoalaikum,
Aashique-Mustafa Bhai aap ke jawab ka bohat bohat shukriya.
Mere bhai aap ka kia hayal hai k main ne Brelvi ulma se poocha na ho ga? Mager apne dalael dene ki bajae jab baat sirf aitraaz barae aitraaz hi ki jae to faeda kis tarh ho sakta hai.
Aap to 2,3 kitabon se motaliq keh rahe hain k inn se hamara koi taluq nahin, main aik aik kitaab se motaliq biraat ka izhaar kerta hoon k jis main bhi Quran o Hadees k khilaaf bian ho woh mardood hai. Abb chahe woh Shah Ismail ki ho ya Molana Ahmed Raza Khan ki.
Hamara to manhaj hi sirf Quran o Hadees hai. Ulema ka kaam uss ki tashreeh to ho sakta hai mager uss k hilaaf kissi ki baat qabel-e-qabool nahin. Main samajhta hoo aur issi per aqeeda rakhta hoon k Nabi (saw) ke baad ummat main koi bhi masoom nahin her aik se galti ho sakti hai. Abb ager to kissi ki baat Quran o hadees k motabiq hai to sir aankhon per werna diwar se maar di jae gi.
Aap ne poocha hai k aap ka Allah k baare main kia aqeeda hai k kia woh jhoot bol sakta hai? to main kahoon ga hergiz nahin k Allah her tarah k ayoob se paak hai woh sab se bara sacha hai. Uss ki taraf kissi bhi tarah k aib ki nasbat bohat barri gustakhi hai.
Jahan tak baat hai k main kiss tarah se samjhta hoon k Brelvi hazrat galat hain to arz yeh hai k aap log mujhe kuch kehne dain ge to main kuch kahoon abhi tak to sirf mujh per jirah hi ki jaa rahi hai. lahaza aap se guzarish hai k doore doston se bhi kahen k taasub ko iak taraf rakh ker meri baat to sun lain jo main kehna chahta hoon. Jo post keroon ga uss se aap ko pata chal jae ga k main kia keh raha honn aur main ne koi aqeeda ya amal kion apnaya hai ? phir ager meri koi baat galat ho to zaroor islaah kerain.
Aakhir main aap ki Dr. Zakir Naik wali baat ka jawab yeh hai k Aap ne kaha k Sunni Aalim ne sabit kia k Wahabi Nabi (saw) ke zamane main nahin the. Mujhe iss baat se bilkul ittefaq hai. Wahabi ka lafaz to bator taana istemaal kia jaata hai.
Lakin poochna chahoon ga k Molana Ahmed Raza Khan ne to Nabi (saw) ke paas aane wale aik munafiq ko wahabi qarar dia hai."(Malfoozaat : page 87)
Abb aap bataen Molana Ahmed Raza ka bian kia galat biani nahin?? Sirf logon ko mutnafir kerne ke liye keh dia k jis munafiq ne Nabi (saw) ki gusakhi ki thi woh wahabi tha. Baherhaal main iss per bahes nahin kerna chahta yeh to lafzon ka khail hai apne matlab k liye kabhi kuch kabhi kuch.
Abb arz itni hai k mujhe mukhtalif topics per posts kerne di jaen jo baat galat ho uss per islaah karen. jiss ko radd kerna ho ussi k neeche jawab de ta k sab k saamne ho k kiss ki baat main wazan hai. Abb Post ko delete ker dena iss baat ki ilamat ho gi k yahan per koi daleel se baat kerna hi nahin chahta.
Aap ka aik daffa phir shukriya k aap ne mujhe samajhne ki koshish ki aur umeed hai k baqi dost bhi karen ge.
Wasalam

Edited by ya mohmmadah, 01 October 2007 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 28 September 2007 - 12:24 PM

Asslamoalaikum,
Aashique-Mustafa Bhai aap ke jawab ka bohat bohat shukriya.
Mere bhai aap ka kia hayal hai k main ne Brelvi ulma se poocha na ho ga? Mager apne dalael dene ki bajae jab baat sirf aitraaz barae aitraaz hi ki jae to faeda kis tarh ho sakta hai.




talineoor tumny poocha kya ? kis se poocha? tumhy kya bataya gaya? ..or phr tum siraat e mustaqeem chor kar 72 groups me shamil ho gaye..

Aap to 2,3 kitabon se motaliq keh rahe hain k inn se hamara koi taluq nahin, main aik aik kitaab se motaliq biraat ka izhaar kerta hoon k jis main bhi Quran o Hadees k khilaaf bian ho woh mardood hai. Abb chahe woh Shah Ismail ki ho ya Molana Ahmed Raza Khan ki.



talineoor tumny gm ki 2-3 books se apni baraat ka izhaar kiya hai..dekhty hain kitiny sachchy ho apni baraat mein...ab ye batao ki :-

:angry: Aagar waqai tumny in books mein gustakhi e Aluhiyat or gustakhi e Rasool dekhi hai to tumhara apny GM group ke mutalliq kya kehna hai jo isky musannif Ismail Dehlwi ko apna imam janty hain...or un books me likhi kufriyan ibarton par raazi hain...

:angry: Kya tum apni baraat sirf un books se rakhogy or un gumraho se nahi jo kufr par raazi hain or aaj tak un books ko chap kar Allah (azw) or usky habeeb (saw) ki towheen kar rahy hain....

:angry: kya tumhary hisaab se ye GM group us naji firqy me se hai jis ki basharat Huzur (saw) ne di thi?


:angry: Tum Hum ko aisy Gumrah or kufriyan Aqeedy rakhuny waly firqy ki or aany ki dawat dene aaye ho...?

Lanat hai un sab par jo khudwande quddoos (jallah) or Mustafa (saw) ki shan me gustakhiyan karty hain or dum bharty hain musalmaan hony ka..

Hamara to manhaj hi sirf Quran o Hadees hai. Ulema ka kaam uss ki tashreeh to ho sakta hai mager uss k hilaaf kissi ki baat qabel-e-qabool nahin. Main samajhta hoo aur issi per aqeeda rakhta hoon k Nabi (saw) ke baad ummat main koi bhi masoom nahin her aik se galti ho sakti hai. Abb ager to kissi ki baat Quran o hadees k motabiq hai to sir aankhon per werna diwar se maar di jae gi.



Oh waqai to phir maar do Siraat e mustaqeem, Taqwiyatul imaan, Yakrozi or isi jaisy kufriyan ibarton se bhari pari un Ghaleez books ko.... or saath hi us gumrah firqy ko bhi chor do jo in books ko imaan ko taqwiyat dene wali or siraat e mustaqeem janta hai....jana churao apni un books se or apny be deen group se !!!

Roz e jaza gm nahin kaam ayengy na hi ye gustakhi bhari books kaam aayega to ishq e mustafa (saw) , tazeem e mustafa (saw) , itaat e mustafa (saw)

Baraat karo in Books ko chapkar taqseem karny waly GM se sy apni !!! Baraat ka elaan karo....agar waqai apny qol me sachchy ho......

Aap ne poocha hai k aap ka Allah k baare main kia aqeeda hai k kia woh jhoot bol sakta hai? to main kahoon ga hergiz nahin k Allah her tarah k ayoob se paak hai woh sab se bara sacha hai. Uss ki taraf kissi bhi tarah k aib ki nasbat bohat barri gustakhi hai.



phir yahi kahunga Baraat un books se or BARAAT in books ke kufriya aqaid ko imaan manny waly group GM se jin ki dawat tum humy yahan dene aaye ho...

Jahan tak baat hai k main kiss tarah se samjhta hoon k Brelvi hazrat galat hain to arz yeh hai k aap log mujhe kuch kehne dain ge to main kuch kahoon abhi tak to sirf mujh per jirah hi ki jaa rahi hai. lahaza aap se guzarish hai k doore doston se bhi kahen k taasub ko iak taraf rakh ker meri baat to sun lain jo main kehna chahta hoon. Jo post keroon ga uss se aap ko pata chal jae ga k main kia keh raha honn aur main ne koi aqeeda ya amal kion apnaya hai ? phir ager meri koi baat galat ho to zaroor islaah kerain.
Aakhir main aap ki Dr. Zakir Naik wali baat ka jawab yeh hai k Aap ne kaha k Sunni Aalim ne sabit kia k Wahabi Nabi (saw) ke zamane main nahin the. Mujhe iss baat se bilkul ittefaq hai. Wahabi ka lafaz to bator taana istemaal kia jaata hai.



kehna sun na sab baad mein pehy apna imaan sabit karo.......or kaho Ki jin books ko me apni baraat ke liye dewaar par marna chahta hu ki wo quran or hadees ke khilaaf hain unhi books ko chap kar duniya bhar me kufr phelany waly GM group se bhi meri baraat !!! kaho manzoor??

Lakin poochna chahoon ga k Molana Ahmed Raza Khan ne to Nabi (saw) ke paas aane wale aik munafiq ko wahabi qarar dia hai."(Malfoozaat : page 87)
Abb aap bataen Molana Ahmed Raza ka bian kia galat biani nahin?? Sirf logon ko mutnafir kerne ke liye keh dia k jis munafiq ne Nabi (saw) ki gusakhi ki thi woh wahabi tha. Baherhaal main iss per bahes nahin kerna chahta yeh to lafzon ka khail hai apne matlab k liye kabhi kuch kabhi kuch.
Abb arz itni hai k mujhe mukhtalif topics per posts kerne di jaen jo baat galat ho uss per islaah karen. jiss ko radd kerna ho ussi k neeche jawab de ta k sab k saamne ho k kiss ki baat main wazan hai. Abb Post ko delete ker dena iss baat ki ilamat ho gi k yahan per koi daleel se baat kerna hi nahin chahta.
Aap ka aik daffa phir shukriya k aap ne mujhe samajhne ki koshish ki aur umeed hai k baqi dost bhi karen ge.
Wasalam



Mere Aaaqa or imam "Imam Ahle Sunnat Shah Ahmad Razk Khan (ra) " ne jo farmaya haq farmaya ki ye gustakh e rasool ( means Wahabi ) ye munfiq to Huzur ke zamany mein bhi they...Rasool ki gustakhi karna sirf akele GM ka shewa nahin hai...ye kaam to munafiq or kuffar huzur (saw) ke zamany se hi karty chaly aaye hain...raha sawaal wo kon they to unky liye huzur (saw) ne pehly hi basharat farma di thi jinmy kai nishaniyan bayan ki

Najad se fitny ki tarah uthyngy
kasrat se sujood karengy
kasrat se namazy parhengy ki tum apni ibadaton ko unky samny kam samjhogy
musalmano ko kafr or shirk ke fatwy lagaengy or but paraston ko kuch nahin kahengy
SIR MUNDWATY hongy......

Aaj dekh lo ye sari alamatein kinmy payi jati hain...WAHABIS or unky hum asaro mein

Hadith FOR of shaving head wahaabees


Sahih bukhari



(1) Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible). The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (the head). (Fateh Al-Bari, Page 322, Vol. 17th) (Book #93, Hadith #651)

(2) Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said, "I have been made victorious with As-Saba (i.e. an easterly wind) and the people of 'Ad were destroyed by Ad-Dabur (i.e. a westerly wind)." Narrated Abu Said: ali sent a piece of gold to the Prophet who distributed it among four persons: Al-Aqra' bin Habis Al-Hanzali from the tribe of Mujashi, 'Uyaina bin badr Al-Fazari, Zaid At-Ta'i who belonged to (the tribe of) Bani Nahban, and 'Alqama bin Ulatha Al-'Amir who belonged to (the tribe of) Bani Kilab. So the Quraish and the Ansar became angry and said, "He (i.e. the Prophet, ) gives the chief of Najd and does not give us." The Prophet said, "I give them) so as to attract their hearts (to Islam)." Then a man with sunken eyes, prominent checks, a raised forehead, a thick beard and a shaven head, came (in front of the Prophet ) and said, "Be afraid of Allah, O Muhammad!" The Prophet ' said "Who would obey Allah if I disobeyed Him? (Is it fair that) Allah has trusted all the people of the earth to me while, you do not trust me?" Somebody who, I think was Khalid bin Al-Walid, requested the Prophet to let him chop that man's head off, but he prevented him. When the man left, the Prophet said, "Among the off-spring of this man will be some who will recite the Qur'an but the Qur'an will not reach beyond their throats (i.e. they will recite like parrots and will not understand it nor act on it), and they will renegade from the religion as an arrow goes through the game's body. They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters. If I should live up to their time' I will kill them as the people of 'Ad were killed (i.e. I will kill all of them)." (Book #55, Hadith #558)

(3) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: 'ali bin Abi Talib sent a piece of gold not yet taken out of its ore, in a tanned leather container to Allah's Apostle . Allah's Apostle distributed that amongst four Persons: 'Uyaina bin badr, Aqra bin Habis, Zaid Al-Khail and the fourth was either Alqama or Amir bin At Tufail. On that, one of his companions said, "We are more deserving of this (gold) than these (persons)." When that news reached the Prophet , he said, "Don't you trust me though I am the truth worthy man of the One in the Heavens, and I receive the news of Heaven (i.e. Divine Inspiration) both in the morning and in the evening?" There got up a man with sunken eyes, raised cheek bones, raised forehead, a thick beard, a shaven head and a waist sheet that was tucked up and he said, "O Allah's Apostle! Be afraid of Allah." The Prophet said, "Woe to you! Am I not of all the people of the earth the most entitled to fear Allah?" Then that man went away. Khalid bin Al-Wahd said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall I chop his neck off?" The Prophet said, "No, for he may offer prayers." Khalid said, "Numerous are those who offer prayers and say by their tongues (i.e. mouths) what is not in their hearts." Allah's Apostle said, "I have not been ordered (by Allah) to search the hearts of the people or cut open their bellies." Then the Prophet looked at him (i.e. that man) while the latter was going away and said, "From the offspring of this (man there will come out (people) who will recite the Qur'an continuously and elegantly but it will not exceed their throats. (They will neither understand it nor act upon it). They would go out of the religion (i.e. Islam) as an arrow goes through a game's body." I think he also said, "If I should be present at their time I would kill them as the nations a Thamud were killed." (Book #59, Hadith #638)

(4) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: When 'ali was in Yemen, he sent some gold in its ore to the Prophet. The Prophet distributed it among Al-Aqra' bin Habis Al-Hanzali who belonged to Bani Mujashi, 'Uyaina bin badr Al-Fazari, 'Alqama bin 'Ulatha Al-'Amiri, who belonged to the Bani Kilab tribe and Zaid AI-Khail At-Ta'i who belonged to Bani Nabhan. So the Quraish and the Ansar became angry and said, "He gives to the chiefs of Najd and leaves us!" The Prophet said, "I just wanted to attract and unite their hearts (make them firm in Islam)." Then there came a man with sunken eyes, bulging forehead, thick beard, fat raised cheeks, and clean-shaven head, and said, "O Muhammad! Be afraid of Allah! " The Prophet said, "Who would obey Allah if I disobeyed Him? (Allah). He trusts me over the people of the earth, but you do not trust me?" A man from the people (present then), who, I think, was Khalid bin Al-Walid, asked for permission to kill him, but the Prophet prevented him. When the man went away, the Prophet said, "Out of the offspring of this man, there will be people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out through the game, and they will kill the Muslims and leave the idolators. Should I live till they appear, I would kill them as the Killing of the nation of 'Ad." (Book #93, Hadith #527)

(5) Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman: The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about good, but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. Once I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good; will there by any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I asked, "Will there be good after that evil?" He said, "Yes, but it would be tained with Dakhan (i.e. Little evil)." I asked, "What will its Dakhan be?" He said, "There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. You will see their actions and disapprove of them." I said, "Will there by any evil after that good?" He said, "Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them)." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Describe those people to us." He said, "They will belong to us and speak our language" I asked, "What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?" He said, "Adhere to the group of Muslims and their Chief." I asked, "If there is neither a group (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?" He said, "Keep away from all those different sects, even if you had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you meet Allah while you are still in that state." Volume 4, Book 56, Number 803:

(6) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: While we were with Allah's Apostle who was distributing (i.e. some property), there came Dhu-l-Khuwaisira, a man from the tribe of Bani Tamim and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do Justice." The Prophet said, "Woe to you! Who could do justice if I did not? I would be a desperate loser if I did not do justice." 'Umar said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allow me to chop his head off." The Prophet said, "Leave him, for he has companions who pray and fast in such a way that you will consider your fasting negligible in comparison to theirs. They recite Qur'an but it does not go beyond their throats (i.e. they do not act on it) and they will desert Islam as an arrow goes through a victim's body, so that the hunter, on looking at the arrow's blade, would see nothing on it; he would look at its Risaf and see nothing: he would look at its Na,di and see nothing, and he would look at its Qudhadh ( 1 ) and see nothing (neither meat nor blood), for the arrow has been too fast even for the blood and excretions to smear. The sign by which they will be recognized is that among them there will be a black man, one of whose arms will resemble a woman's breast or a lump of meat moving loosely. Those people will appear when there will be differences amongst the people." I testify that I heard this narration from Allah's Apostle and I testify that 'Ali bin Abi Talib fought with such people, and I was in his company. He ordered that the man (described by the Prophet ) should be looked for. The man was brought and I looked at him and noticed that he looked exactly as the Prophet had described him. Volume 4, Book 56, Number 807:

(7) Narrated 'Ali: I relate the traditions of Allah's Apostle to you for I would rather fall from the sky than attribute something to him falsely. But when I tell you a thing which is between you and me, then no doubt, war is guile. I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "In the last days of this world there will appear some young foolish people who will use (in their claim) the best speech of all people (i.e. the Qur'an) and they will abandon Islam as an arrow going through the game. Their belief will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have practically no belief), so wherever you meet them, kill them, for he who kills them shall get a reward on the Day of Resurrection."
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 808:


(8) Narrated Ibn 'Umar: (The Prophet) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our Yemen." People said, "Our najd as well." The Prophet again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and Yemen." They said again, "Our najd as well." On that the Prophet said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan." (Book #17, Hadith #147)

(9) Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our najd." I think the third time the Prophet said, "There (in najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan." (Book #88, Hadith #214)



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(1) Abu Said Khudri reported that 'Ali (Allah be pleased with him) sent some gold alloyed with dust to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) distributed that among four men, al-Aqra b. Habis Hanzali and Uyaina b. Badr al-Fazari and 'Alqama b. 'Ulatha al-'Amiri, then to one person of the tribe of Kilab and to Zaid al-Khair al-Ta'l, and then to one person of the tribe of Nabhan. Upon this the people of Quraish felt angry and said: He (the Holy Prophet) gave to the chiefs of najd and ignored us. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I have done it with a view to con- cillating them. Then there came a person with thick beard, prominent cheeks, deep sunken eyes and protruding forehead and shaven head. He said: Muhammad, fear Allah. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If I disobey Allah, who would then obey Him? Have I not been (sent as the) most trustworthy among the people of the-world? -but you do not repose trust in me. That person then went back. A person among the people then sought permission (from the Holy Prophet) for his murder. According to some, it was Khalid b. Walid who sought the permission. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), said: From this very person's posterity there would arise people who would recite the Qur'an, but it would not go beyond their throat; they would kill the followers of Islam and would spare the idol-worshippers. They would glance through the teachings of Islam so hurriedly just as the arrow passes through the pray. If I were to ever find them I would kill them like 'Ad. (Book #005, Hadith #2318)

Huzur (saw) told about the Kharijites, describing them down to the malformed one among them, and said that their mark would be tahliq or shaved heads.

I.e. exaggeration in shaving the head. This was one of the marks of the Wahhabis as pointed out by al-`Alawi al-Haddad and others. It is known that Ibn `Abidin called the Wahhabis Kharijis in his Hashiyat al-durr al-mukhtar. It is also said that tahliq here means: sitting in circles

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 09:15 AM

Bari Muazrat Chahta hoon Der se Jawab dene ki
Aap ka ye Jumla muje bhot Acha laga

Aap ne kaha,,
main aik aik kitaab se motaliq biraat ka izhaar kerta hoon k jis main bhi Quran o Hadees k khilaaf bian ho woh mardood hai.

Ahle Sunnat bhi yehi kehte hain... ke jo qaul quran o hadees ke khilaaf ho wo mardood hai,,

Aap ne Kaha:
Hamara to manhaj hi sirf Quran o Hadees hai. Ulema ka kaam uss ki tashreeh to ho sakta hai mager uss k hilaaf kissi ki baat qabel-e-qabool nahin. Main samajhta hoo aur issi per aqeeda rakhta hoon k Nabi saw.gif ke baad ummat main koi bhi masoom nahin her aik se galti ho sakti hai. Abb ager to kissi ki baat Quran o hadees k motabiq hai to sir aankhon per werna diwar se maar di jae gi.


Aap ki is baat se 100 feesadee ittefaq karta hoon k Manhaj Sirf Quran o Hadees hai,, or ulama, fuqaha or

Aimma, Mujtahideen ka Kaam hi ye hai ke wo Quran o Hadees ki Tashreeh karein or is mein se Masail nikaal

kar Ummat ke Saamne Paish karein..!! or Ahle Sunnat ka bhi yehi Aqeeda hai,, k nabi paak ke Baad Ummat

mein koi bhi masoom nahi,, har 1 se ghalti ho sakti hai,, Aulia Allah, or Imamo Waghera se Ghalti yaani

Khata e Ijtihaadi to ho sakti hai,, magar ham itna Zaroor hai, ke ghalti se nahi Magar Gunaah se MEHFOOZ

zaroor maante hain ,, magar MASOOM nahi,, kyun ky gunaho se MEHFOOZ THE tabhi to ye rutba mila k

Aulia o Imaam banae gae,,
or doosri Baat ye :

ke Ahle Sunnat quran o hadees ki tashreeh ke silsile mein Imam e Azam,, Imam Shaf'i, Imam Malik , Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal RAhima Humullah or Degar Auliya.. o Mujaddideen Abdaal Ghous o Qutub waghera per
Quran o hadees ki Tashreeh k silsile mein apni aqal se ziyadah un per bharosa isliye karte hain,, k ye Allah wale the,, Nabi paak se Zamana bhi Qareeb tha,, yehi wo Log hain jin ke peeche chalne ki ham namaz ki har rakat mein dua karte hain,, ke hamein un ke peeche chala jin per tera inaam huaa,,
ab ham inaam yafta bando per ziada bharosa karte hain apni aqal se ziada,,,, quran o hadees se masail ke istimbaat ke silsile mein,, kyun ke agar ham khud quran saamne rakh ker,, hadees saamne rakh kar masail nikaalne beth jain,, to hamara ghalti karne ka Imkaan BHOT BHOT OR BHOT HI ZIADA HAI ye Ghalti Aqaid se Mutalliq bhi ho sakti hai k nikle the masail nikalne quran o hadees se or hogayee islam se kharij,, or agar Aimma o Mujtahideen ne ghalti kari bhi agar,, to Ajar to paenge hi,, or zahir si baat hai ke ye sahib e ilm hazraat hain to ghalti agar hogi to khata e ijtihaadi hogi,, Aqaid mein to saare ke Saare Ahle Sunnat wa Jamaat Sawad e Azam Muttafiq hain,, Ahle Sunnat mein agar Ikhtilaaf hai to sirf or Sirf Firoi,, naa ke Bunyaadi,, isi liye ham Jannati firqo mein,, Hanfio ke saath Shafi'i Maliki or Hanbli ko bhi milate hain,, kyun ke Aqaid mein koi Ikhtilaaf nahi,,

Aap ne ye bhi kaha:
Aap ne poocha hai k aap ka Allah k baare main kia aqeeda hai k kia woh jhoot bol sakta hai? to main kahoon ga hergiz nahin k Allah her tarah k ayoob se paak hai woh sab se bara sacha hai. Uss ki taraf kissi bhi tarah k aib ki nasbat bohat barri gustakhi hai.


Aap ne bhot acha kya ye baat keh kar,, magar aap mujh per 1 Ahsaan e Azeem Farma dein wo ye k agar

kisi aise shakhs ki ibarat aap ke saamne paish ki jain,, jo k Allah ya rasool ki toheen per mabni hon to bajae

ye kehne ke k mein in ko nahi manta or mein in ki taraf se Jawab dene ka Zimme dar nahi hoon,, aap itna

kar dia karein yaa to agar aap ko baat sahi lage to keh dein k ye baat sahi hai,, or us ke dalail ye hain,, yaa

phir seedhi saadha Fatwa Inayat farma dia karein,, ke Ye Baat Allah o Rasool ki Toheen per mabni hai,, or

aisa kehne wala Kafir hai,, ya Gumraah hai,, waghera


jaise ke Aap ke Talibur Rehman ne Tehzeerun Naas ki Mutanaza Ibarat jo Deobandi or Barelwio ke Beech 1

sadi se bhi ziada arse se jhagre ka Baas bani hoi hain 1 sadi se aap ke kisi aalim ko khayal nahi aaya or

deobandio ka saath dete rahe magar jab pakar ki jaane lagi or Deobandio ki ibaratein aap ke sar thope

jaane lagi to Tehzeerun naas per ab aap logo ne kufr ka fatwa laga dia,, bahraahal ye maazi ki baatein k

aap or deobandi 1 hi hain waghera is ki behes mein abhi nahi jana chahta ,, Guzarish itni hai k ya to Qabool

karlia karien ya fatwa de dia karein k ye baat ghalat hai toheen per mabni hai,, or haan aisa karne se aap

ke maslak per to faraq parega nahi ,, kyun ke aap bar'at to pehle hi kar chuke hain,, to fatwa lagane se

Darna nahi chahiye aap ko.. umeed hai meri baat samajh mein to aagayee hogi aap ke
to ye Ibarat aap ke Saamne Paish kar raha hoon, agar Theek lage to Dalail Inayat Farmain Warna Fatwa::

"Is tarah ke Ghaib ka Daryaft karna ke Jab Chahe Karlein Ye To Allah sahab ki hi Shaan hai k Kisi nabi wali ko ye taqat nahi Bakhshi Allah ne ke Jab Chahe ghaib Daryaf Karlein,,"

Yani Allah ko Hamesha Ilm nahi hota balke Allah jab chahe Ghaib Daryaft karta hai,,


Aap ne kaha ke Wahabi lafz bator Tana Istimaal kya jata hai,, to mein kahoon ga nahi bhai bator tana nahi,, balke bator pehchaan istimaal kiya jata hai,, Muhammad bin Abdul Wahabi Najdi ki Pairo Kaaro ko Pehchan ke tor per ham WAHABI YA NAJDI kehte hain,,


Lakin poochna chahoon ga k Molana Ahmed Raza Khan ne to Nabi saw.gif ke paas aane wale aik munafiq ko
wahabi qarar dia hai."(Malfoozaat : page 87)

wo isliye ke us ka naam ZUL KHUWAISRA tha,, or us ki naslo ke bare mein Huzoor ne Jitni Nishaniyaan farmaeen,, wo sab aap me or deobandio mein Poori poori paaee jati hain,, to huzoor ne choon ke ye farmaya tha k IS KI YAANI, ZUL KHUWAISRA KI NASAL SE AISI QAUM PAIDA HOGI NAMAZ ROZE QURAN WAGHERA SAR MUNDAANE WALI JO NISHANIYAAN MEIN NE SAB SE PEHLI POST MEIN ZIKR KI THEE AAP NE UN KA JAWAB NAI DIA THA,, isliye Aala Hazrat ne use Tamseeli tor per Yaani As a father of wahabis,, use wahabi kaha,, or Shukr Khudaa ka ke aap ne Zul khuwaisra ko Munafiq bhi maan lia or gustakh e rasool bhi manlia..!! Alhumdulillah..!!

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 09:55 AM

talineoor tumny poocha kya ? kis se poocha? tumhy kya bataya gaya? ..or phr tum siraat e mustaqeem chor kar 72 groups me shamil ho gaye.....

....................I.e. exaggeration in shaving the head. This was one of the marks of the Wahhabis as pointed out by al-`Alawi al-Haddad and others. It is known that Ibn `Abidin called the Wahhabis Kharijis in his Hashiyat al-durr al-mukhtar. It is also said that tahliq here means: sitting in circles[/b]

Asslamoalaikum,
Aafreen hai tum per mere dost,
kaash k tum meri ooper wale reply bhi gor se parhte. Jab main keh chuka hoon k meri dawet Quran aur Hadees hai phir bhi uss per ratt lagae jaana k tumhara GM Group, kia maani rakhta hai? Main ne aap logon ko uss ki dawet di hai?
Baar Baar mujh se iss baat ka taqaaza k apna Eemaan sabit keroon. Aik aadmi jo gawahi de raha hai k woh sirf Quran o Sunnat ko miar samajhta hai, ager woh bhi eemandar nahin to phir kon hai? Main ne abhi tak konsi kufria baat ki hai jis ki buniad per mujhe eeman se kharij kie jaane ka hukam lagaea jaa raha hai.
Main baar baar keh chuka hoon k Quran O Hadees hi ki meri dawet hai Uss main koi aitraaz kerna hai to main jawab dene ka paaband hoon.
Kia tumhare nazdeek deen sirf Ahlehadees kehlane wale logon per kufer ka hukam lagane ka naam hai????

Main yeh sab baten keh keh ker thak gaya hoon mager tumhari samajh main yeh kuch nahin aa raha.
Tum log apne baare main aik cheez sahih saabit nahin kerte aur mere per unn cheezon se motaliq bhi poochte ho jo main ne nahin kahin. Apne aqaed bhi to saabit kero jo k tum kehte bhi ho aur mujhe mera aqeeda bian kerne do sab pata chal jae ga k kon sahih keh raha hai???
Jab tum log sahih ho to phir islahaana rawaia apnao bahes barae bahes wala tareeqa kion apna rakha hai?
Nabi (saw) apne paas aane walon k sawalon ka jawab dete the ya unn se kehte the k pehle apna Eeman sabit kero phir baat ho gi??
jab tumhare nazdeek mera aqeeda (jisse tafseel se baian kerne ka moqa hi nahin dia gaya abhi tak)sahih nahin to phir apna aqeeda sahih sabit kero/??

Mazeed yek k Kal 28 September, 2007 wale din Q TV per sehri time main Mufti Akmal sahib ne jo baatcheet ki ager usse suna hota to tumhen yaqeenan faeda hota. Kaash woh tumhare reply dekh lain to unhen pata chale k kon tanqeed barae tanqeed ka aadi hai bajae Islaah ke.
wasalam

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 11:17 AM

Bari Muazrat Chahta hoon Der se Jawab dene ki
Aap ka ye Jumla muje bhot Acha laga

Aap ne kaha,,
main aik aik kitaab se motaliq biraat ka izhaar kerta hoon k jis main bhi Quran o Hadees k khilaaf bian ho woh mardood hai..............................................
......................,, isliye Aala Hazrat ne use Tamseeli tor per Yaani As a father of wahabis,, use wahabi kaha,, or Shukr Khudaa ka ke aap ne Zul khuwaisra ko Munafiq bhi maan lia or gustakh e rasool bhi manlia..!! Alhumdulillah..!!

Asslamoalaikum,
Aashique-Mustafa bhai yaqeen se kehta hoon k brelvi hazraat main aap jaise bhi bohat kam hain jin main baat kerne ka koi tareeqa to hai. Jo baat kerna hi nahin sunana bhi jaante hain.
Mere bhai baat sirf yeh hai k aap ooper mere tamam replies dekh lain main ne kissi per Attack nahin kia. Sirf iss liye k aap log chalne k liye tiar to hon phir jis ki jo jo baat galat saabit ho usse chor de aur ager daleel k saath kufria saabit ho to kufria bhi kahe.
Aap ne jo kuch fermaia k Ahlesunnat ke dermian aqaed main koi ikhtilaaf nahin to main yeh baat maanta hoon.
Mager aisa bhi nahin k jin jin ko Ahlesunnat samja jaata hai woh Ahlesunnat hain. Bal k uss k liye apna aqeeda sabit kerna pare ga aur yeh tab tak nahin ho sakta jab tak aik aadmi ko uss ka aqeeda bian hi na kerne dia jae.
Mujhe bian kerne dain phir InshaAllah pata chal jae ga k kis ka Aqeeda Aema Ikram wala hai?
Abhi sirf aik misaal de raha hoon aur yeh aqeede k masle per hai.
Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani RehmatUllahAleh ne unn logon ko Ahlesunnat se kharij qarar dia hai jo kehte hain k Eeman kam ya ziada nahin hota. Aur issi baat ki bina per Hanfia ko gumrah firqon main shumar kia hai.(Gunia-tul-Talibeen) Kion k Ahnaaf issi baat k qael hai k Eemaan kam ya ziada nahin hota. Iss tarah k aur masael bhi hain.
Aap ne Ilm-e-Gaib se motaliq bhi baat ki hai to dekhen ager main aik cheez ko shirak samajhta hoon mager aap ki baat daleel k saath sune bager bas aap ke uss masle ko dekh ker aap per shirak ka fatwa laga doon to kia yeh sahih hai??? Aap ko moqa to dia jana chahiye na k aap sabit kar saken k yeh shirak nahin. Issi tarah her baat per gustaakhi ka aur kufer ka fatwa lagane se pehle hamen bhi to moqa dena chahiye k ham apne aqeeda ko khud wazeh karan k ham kia maante hain aur kitna maante hain.
Abhi itna bata doon k hamara aqeedah hergiz yeh nahin k Nabi (saw) ko Allah ke batane se bhi Gaib ki baat maloom nahin hoti. yeh ham per buhtaan hai.
Main ilm-e-Gaib per apna nuqta-e-nazer tafseel se likhoon ga. Phir uss se motaliq bahes ho gi. Issi tarah dusre masle bhi.
Main chahta hoon k abb iss taveel bahes jo ko khatam kia jae jo bahes barae bahes bani hui hai. Main different topics per post keroon ga jo main galat samajhta hoon uss per islaah ki koshish keroon ga jo aap mujh main galat samjhen zaroor islaah karen. Allah ham sab ko hadayat de aur taferqe baazi aur apne apne ulma per taasub ko chor ker sahih Ahlesunnat aur Ahlehadees bana de, Aamin.



Aik aur baat wazeh kerna chahta hoon k Deobandi hazraat jitni mukhalfet Ahlehadees ki kerte hain utni Brelvion ki nahin kerte. Aur yeh nai baat nahin hai Ashraf Ali Thanvi aur deoband ke purane Ulma se bhi aap ko fatwe dikhae ja sakte hain Ahlehadees ke khilaaf. Hata k inn logon se Ahlehadees ko apni masajid se nikaalne se motaliq poori poori kitaaben likhi hain.
Aam tor per brelvi hazrat inn ke chand Ulma ki Muhammad Bin AbdulWahab se motaliq chand tareefi kalme pesh ker k inheh bhi wahabi kehte hain. Halan k yeh aik jesa hone ki baat nahin hai. Nabi (saw) se motaliq ager kaafir tareefi kalmaat kehne per majboor hain to iss se hergiz yeh nahin nikalta k kaafir wagera, Nabi (saw) ke deen ko bhi maante hain.
Muhammad Bin AbdulWahab aur Deobandion ke aqeede main zameen aasmaan ka faraq hai. Bal k deobandion k bohat barre aalim Molana Hussain Ahmed Madni ne Muhammad Bin Abdulwahab ko Gumrah aur Bagi bhi likha hai. Baherhaal yeh tafseeli bahes hai. kon sahih hai kon galat iss se qata nazer sirf itna batana maqsood hai k kon kis se mutafiq hai uss k aqaed se pata chalta hai aur Ahlehadees aur Deobandion k Aqaed opposite hain. Tafseel phir kabhi. Wasalam

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 11:30 AM

Asslamoalaikum,
Aafreen hai tum per mere dost,
kaash k tum meri ooper wale reply bhi gor se parhte Jab main keh chuka hoon k meri dawet Quran aur Hadees hai phir bhi uss per ratt lagae jaana k tumhara GM Group, kia maani rakhta hai?
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GG Alhamdo Lillah aapki upar wali post parhi to ye likha dikha iska kya karu

Asslamoalaium,
Mera naam Shoaib hai. MAin pehle Brelvi tha lakin aAlhamdulillah abb Ahlehadees hoon.
Iss forum per Ahlehadees ke khilaaf jo ilzaam lagae gae hain, Aik waqt tha k main bhi yehi kuch samajhta tha. Hata k Ahlehadees k peeche namaz bhi nahin parhta tha k yeh log to gustakh hai.

Mager jab Allah ne Quran o sunnat ki janib rehnumai ki to Zahen bhi taasub se paak ho gia.



GM=Gher Muqallid=Ahle Hadith ab samjhy !!! .kar do inkaar tumny apna firqa Ahle Hadith nahin likha...Quran or sunnat ke naam par GM logo ko aisy hi bewaqoof banaty hain..jaisa ki tumhari emotional post se maloom hota aa raha hai...Yahan Emotional na ho, jao or apny lafzon ko samhaalo kabhi kuch kehty ho kabhi kuch....tumhara naam Malang Part- II rakh diya jaye to ghalat na hoga wo bhi isi tarah kalabaziyan khaya karta tha ..


Jab main keh chuka hoon k meri dawet Quran aur Hadees hai phir bhi uss per ratt lagae jaana k tumhara GM Group, kia maani rakhta hai? Main ne aap logon ko uss ki dawet di hai?


Tumhari post jo unapproved parhi hai wo logo ko taqleed chor apna myaar sirf or sirf Quran or hadees se barahy rast masly or mamly akhaz karny ki thi jo boli Ahle Hadith ki hai jis se tum inkaar nahin kar sakty.....jis par behas is topic ke baad insha Allah zaroor hogi...

Baar Baar mujh se iss baat ka taqaaza k apna Eemaan sabit keroon. Aik aadmi jo gawahi de raha hai k woh sirf Quran o Sunnat ko miar samajhta hai, ager woh bhi eemandar nahin to phir kon hai? Main ne abhi tak konsi kufria baat ki hai jis ki buniad per mujhe eeman se kharij kie jaane ka hukam lagaea jaa raha hai.
Main baar baar keh chuka hoon k Quran O Hadees hi ki meri dawet hai Uss main koi aitraaz kerna hai to main jawab dene ka paaband hoon.
Kia tumhare nazdeek deen sirf Ahlehadees kehlane wale logon per kufer ka hukam lagane ka naam hai????

Main yeh sab baten keh keh ker thak gaya hoon mager tumhari samajh main yeh kuch nahin aa raha.


Chalo Batein bohot ho gayain tumhari pehly zara un salwalon ke jawab do jo mene apni upar post me tum par qayam kiye.....GM group jinhy tum haq par manty ho (jaisa tumny kaha me ahle hadees ho gaya hu) wo ye gusakiyon or kufria ibarton ko towjee bayan kiya karty hain or unko gustakhi or kufr nahin samjhty hain or un books ko duniya ki tamam zabano me chap chap kar ain imaan kehty hain un logo ke group me tum shamil ho gaye masha Allah kya kamal kiya aapny or phr likhty hain janab AFREEN AFREEN :rolleyes:

JAWAB DO ( Ahle Hadith jin books ko Ain imaan karaar dete hain or chap chap kar duniya bhar me isy taqseem kar rahy hain wo group haq par kese ho gaya or quran or hadees kya ye dawat dete hain Allah or rasool ki gustakhi ki??)

Kya tumhari baraat birf kufriayn kitabon se hai un kitabon ko imaan or haq manny walo se nahin ?


Uff kitna Mushkil ho raha hai Apni jaan churana Ahhle Hadison se...yahi hai Mohobbat e Rasool (saw)

Tum log apne baare main aik cheez sahih saabit nahin kerte aur mere per unn cheezon se motaliq bhi poochte ho jo main ne nahin kahin. Apne aqaed bhi to saabit kero jo k tum kehte bhi ho aur mujhe mera aqeeda bian kerne do sab pata chal jae ga k kon sahih keh raha hai???
Jab tum log sahih ho to phir islahaana rawaia apnao bahes barae bahes wala tareeqa kion apna rakha hai?


Humari post shayad tumhari aql se upar bounce hua karti hain. dekh lo almost sari post hawalajaat se bhari parhin hain zara deedy khol kar parha karo ki hum apni baat dalail se sabit karty hain Emotional Drama nahin khelty GM ki tarah...

Allah GM ko rahy hidayat de...ameen

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 11:47 AM

Asslamoalaium,


Allhamdulillah, Abb bhi kehta hoon k main Ahlehadees hoon. aur main ooper bian ker chuka hoon k AhleHadees hone ka matlab hai Quran aur Hadees ko manana. Iss buniad per main Sahih AhleSunnat bhi hoon k main Quran aur Sunnat ko maanta hoon.
Ahlehadees per jo Ilzaamaat hain ka hi to jawab de raha hoon k Ahlehadees aik manhaj hai kissi aalim ka naam Ahlehadees nahin. Tum jo ilzaam lagate ho kissi nakissi aalim per lagate ho aur hamare nazdeek Aalim ki wohi baat qabel e qabool hai jo Quran o Hadees se sabit ho werna merdood hai.
Aap logon se jis cheez ka mutaliba hai woh yeh k apne aqeede ko dalael se wazeh karen uss per dalael dain ilzaamaat per dalel dene ko nahin kaha.
Main ne yeh bhi kaha hai k ager tumhare nazdeek main galat hoon to mujhe batao sahih aqeeda kia hai? uss per dalael do.
Mager tum masael per bahes kerne ke bajae bando per bahes kerna chahte ho. jo bilkul be-maani hai.
wasalam

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 12:17 PM

Ary shoaib babu ab tumhaara fassana buhat sun chuky hain, theek hay agar tum kahty ho na k tumhaary aqaid ka ma'iyar Quran-o-Sunnat hee hay, to phir apny aqa'id Quran-o-Sunnat ki roshni men bayyan karo.
Ilm-e-Ghaib, Haazir-o-Naazir, Hayat-un-Nabi wagherah wagherah.
یہ دیِن سیِد عالم کی خدمت کی سعادت ہے
کہ دنیا بھرمیں مشہورمسلک اعلٰیحضرت کا
امام احمدرضا سے جلتے ہیں جونام کے سید
انہیں بھاری پڑیگا حشر میں دعویٰ سیادت کا


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Posted 01 October 2007 - 01:33 AM

JazakAllah azawajal ..
Duaon kee madni iltija hai...
aap ka bhai aur dost....
Sag-e-Ghaus o Raza (RadiAllahAnhum)

Abu ul Ussaid

Ya Ilahi jab Raza Khawab-e-giran se sar uthain
Dolat-e-baidar ishqe Mustafa ka saath ho ..

(Sal'lal'ahoaliwasalam)





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