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#121 Mustafa Ali

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 07:21 PM

So its based on your interpretation of the meaning of the word, when clearly the word is used as Face and also as mercy of Allah and Rasool SAW. First you come up with Wahabi card calling Sheikh Amin as Wahabi Deobandi, which is impossible as wahabi do not believe in Tareekat. Once you got your answer you ran to backup plan of kufar fatwas based on self imposed meanings of what was said. You took one statement from a life of a wali and based your thesis. Now even you are yourself coming up with multiple interpretation of the words used but insist that you can judge which meaning Sheikh Amin was using while using these words.


That's good going round and round and trying to avoid a direct conflict of views. If I agree, though I will now, that wajhallah means mercy of Allah said by Sheikh Amin, you will still be answerable for the matters like these:
1. Jo sache Laila Majnu bann gae, aap kabhi Khuda k roop main honge kabhi Muhammad Mustafa k roop main honge.
2. Sheikh k gird haala hai ik noor ka aks-e-Allah kabhi aks-e-Aqa kabhi.
3. Sheikh ka roop sir-e-Khuda-o-Nabi rang-e-Allah kabhi rang-e-Aqa kabhi.


So what do you say now? Again planning to go round and round?
Anyway, I will again say that we used this interpretation with the help of the above mentioned statements as "face of Allah and face of Nabi" or do I have to repeat it one more time? Now you answer all the above statements... chorhunga nahi :lol: .

And please stop lying to yourself in saying all the time "out of context out of context out of context". This joke is boring now.

I request cancellation of my membership of this forum

You said this earlier as well mr. bud, and still you stayed. If you really don't have answers then just get the hell out of here man, and bring some real Idreesis here. You're a little cat indeed.

Edited by Mustafa Ali, 31 December 2008 - 07:41 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2009 - 09:38 AM

Your style of speech is a an obvious shahadat against you-- chand pay thooknay ki koshish ka yehi anjaam hota hay-- tumhari thook tumharay hi mun par mali hui saaf nazar aa rahi hay, tumhari baaten, tumhara andaaz-i-guftugu tumharay khilaf gawahi de raha hay k tum kya hu.

meri membership cancel karnay ka maamla meri tum logon se bariat ka izhar hay-- a sort of alamti walkout-- hum tum se mil hi nahi saktay-- kabhi kisi Idreesi ke mun se kisi buzurg ke baray men koi baat suni he? Deobandi to Barelvion ko deviant sect kehtay hen, or Barelvi Deobandion ko, lekin hum Idreesi kisi ko nahi kehtay, lekin tum jaisay gustakhon, buhtan-go ko kehna paray ga deviant.

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:15 AM

Mr.bud who has asked u that your membership will be cancelled???Can u show me any statement????And rather than saying that you have never asked any Brelvi or deobandi a deveiant.u should talk with proofs.If the statements that have been described above that are wrongs,u should give proofs agaist them.
Tumhara walk out nahin tum b wahhabion aur deobandion ke tarah bhagnay ke try kar raha ho.Kyon ke is k alawa koi chara he nahin .


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Posted 01 January 2009 - 03:45 PM

Idreesi to Alahazrat ki naaten parrhten hen (Rahmatullahe alaih), Deobandi/Wahabi to Barelvion ko gumrah kehtay hen, hum deobandi/Wahabi kaisay ho saktay hen? Koi deobandi/Wahabi "Ya Wajha-Nabi" keh sakta hay?

Allah nay "anwar200" ka kufr zahir kar dia jab us ne Quran men shamil ek lafz ko kufr kaha tha (yani "Wajh-Allah" ko). Or yeh kufr ki laanat us par ek Momin ko kafir kehnay ki
wajah say parri -- wo kufr us par lot aaya. yeh khuli nishani hay Haq or baatil ki tamiz k liay.

Isi tarah ek or khuli nishani ye hay k jis group ne Qutbul Aqtab Syedi Amin k khilaf kufar ka jhoota fatwa lagaya hay, us group k members k chehron ka nikhar khatam
ho raha hay-- mit guy aap mitanay walay-- (Insha-Allah).
Chamak Aqa Ji (Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam) say paatay hen sab paney walay, yaani gustakh log Aqa Ji (Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam) ko naraz kar rahay hen itnay baray
Ghulam-i-Rasool k khilaf gustakhian kar k.

Syedi Amin Saudi Arab se Pakistan isi liay aay thay k yeh Ghulaman-i-Rasool ka mulk hay. Koi Ghulam-i-Rasool Hayatu Nabi(Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam) or Khatm-i-Nabuwat
k khilaf kaisay ho sakta hay (Nauzu-Billah)? kyon jhoot pay jhoot bolay jaa rahay ho tum log. tumhari ghustakhion ki shidat jis andaaz se barrh rahi hay wuhi tumhari Shaitan se muafqat ki dalil hay-- kaisay kaisay alfaaz tum log Shaikh Sahib k baray men istemal kar rahay ho -- wo Shaikh Sahib jin ka buniadi faiz Darood Sharif ko dilon men jaari karna
hay, wo Shaikh Sahib jin ke faiz se karurun Darood Sharif rozana parrha ja raha hay-- tum logon ko Allah se dar nahi lagta?

Edited by bud, 01 January 2009 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2009 - 03:04 AM

tum jo marzi ha kar lo tum sheikh amin ke kufar ko nahi chopa sktay
kiya tun ne utube per video nahi dikhi jis mein sheikh amin kafar ke murid os ko yawajh Allah aur yawajh Nabi keh rahay hain?link send kar raha hon phir se dekh loo?quran ke her her harf per mera iman ha lafz kafar quran mein likha ha ya nahi?ager likha ha to kiya kafar ko kafar kehnay wala tumhari nazar mein kiya ho ga?tum yeh bata do ke kiya tum siraf yawajh Allah per hi kiyon baat kar rahay ho masla to sheikh amin khud ko yawajh Allah aur yawajh Nabi kehta ha kiya tum bata sktay ho ke sheikh amin jo khud ko Allah Nabi ka roop kehta ha kiya yeh kehna kisi quran ki taleem ha?quran ke tamam laaf per mera iman ha likin sheikh amin jo khud ko yawajh Allah keh raha ha yawajh Nabi keh raha yeh aik paka kufar ha tum bi jantay ho ke mein ne kisi bi qurani laaf ka inkar nahi kiya bas baat yeh ha ke sheikh amin ne khud ko yawajh Allah aur yawajh Nabi keha ha jo kufar ha ke Allah aur Nabi ka chera sheikh amin ke cheray jasa nahi ho skata kiyon ke sheikh amin ne Allah ki tashbi ki ha jo paka kufar ha.
phir tum hi bata do ke sheikh amin ne kiyon aqa ji ko marfat ke ilm per ubor nahi tha ka keha ha?kohi sanad?kohi hawala?kohi hadees?
tum is ka jawab kiyon nahi latay?
mein arsa daraz se tum se hawala mang raha hon?is ka jawab lay awo pehla?kisi ne aik hhrami se pucha ke baap ka naam batwo likin her bar naam na pa kar wo bola kia tum harami to nahi ho jo baap ka naam nahi bata sktay.zahir ha ager wo halal ka hota to jawab day dayta.



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Posted 03 January 2009 - 03:09 PM

Why do you hide the fact that Syedi Amin also says "Ya Wajh-Allah", "Ya Wajha-Nabi", and his mureeds only repeat these words after him.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 12:29 AM

tum hi yawajh Allah aur yawajh Nabi ka tarjuma kar do?
jo adami khud ko Nabi (saw) ka roop kehta ha apnay jisam mein
Nabi (saw) ko aur Allah ko dahil janta ha jo aqa ji per jhot bolta ha
jo hadees ki ahmiyat kam aur apni baat ki ahmiyat ziyada manta ha
jo sahaba ko munafiq kehta ha jo qadyani ko muslim kehta ha
jo namardon ki tarah apna huliya banta ha jo her waqat jhot bolta ha
hahahahaha pehlay os ka huliya to mard ki tarah kar loo phir baat kar laina
aur ager tum .......ke ho to marfaat ke ilm wali sanad lay aana.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 12:38 PM

tumhari baaton hi say tumhari shaitaniat zahir hay. tumhara andaaz-i-guftugu hi tumharay khilaf dalil hay.

Agar yeh alfaaz Syedi Amin ko kehe ja rahay hotay to Syedi Amin kyon kehtay "Ya-Wajh-Allah, Ya-Wajh-Nabi", un k mureed to sirf yeh lafz un k saath duhratay hen, Syedi Amin pehlay yeh lafz kehtay hen, phir un k mureed repeat kartay hen.

Tumhari saari jhooti baaton ka jawab dia ja chuka hay, haqaiq ko tor maror kar dikhanay ki koshish kartay ho-- OUT OF CONTEXT-- SIAQ-O-SABAQ SE HAT KAR --apnay baatil defamation propaganda k liay.

Tumhen Allah bhi jawab day ga. Insha-Allah. Shadeedul-Iqaab Shadeedul-Azaab hay wo tum jaisay buhtan-go zalimon k liay

Edited by bud, 04 January 2009 - 12:47 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2009 - 12:40 PM

Syedi Amin hazaron seenon ki thandak hen-muhawaratan nahi, haqeeqatan-- jo dil un se milata hay us ka sina Noor se bhar jaata hay. Kya itni zabardast roshan haqeeqat ko koi zaalim apnay zulm apni zulmat say chupa sakta hay? Yaqeenan nahi-- jab Noor zahir hota hay to koi zulmat nahi rehti. Un ki shaan men gustakhi mamooli baat nahi. Tumharay jhootay ilzamat tumhen lay dooben gay Jahanum men.

Un k saath jur kar hazaron koray kaaghaz Aashiq-i-Rasool (Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam) ban chukay hen or ban rahay hen or bantay rahen ge( Insha-Allah). Syedi Amin Allah ki rahmat hen is zamanay men, un se na milta to shaid zamanay ko bura na kehnay k hukm ki khilaf-warzi ho sakti thi lekin un ko mehsoos karnay k baad kehta hun k yeh zamana bhi buhat achha hay k jis men Syedi Amin jesi shakhsiat mojood hen. Allah unhen apni rahmat or hifz-o-aman or Nabi Paak(Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam) ki rifaqat men jeeta rakhay-- or un k Salaamti hi Salaamti walay mamlay men ziada se ziada logon ko Salaamti k saath dakhil karta rahay (Ameen).

Aur meri Syedi Amin k khilaf propaganda karnay walon k liay dua hay k Allah unhen un k kiay ka badla de (Ameen).

Edited by bud, 04 January 2009 - 02:53 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2009 - 06:46 PM

jo jhota ha os per Allah ki lanat ho tum ager jhotay nahi ho to bata do ke kisi post mein tum ne jawab diye hain?sari post yahan per hi hain ager tum asal ke ho to bata ke kahan ha jawabat ?samanay hi jhot boltay ho sharam karo?mujh yaqeen aur paaka ho giya ha tumhari asal per ager apnay hi baap ki olad ho to aa kar bata do ke kahan hain jawabat?
phir se puch raha hon ke aqa ji ke marfat ke ilm ki hadees lay kar awo?yawajh All ah yawajh Nabi ka tarjuma kar do?tum logon ko to sheikh amin ke baap ka bi nahi malom aur debate karnay chalay aye asal ke ho to jawab do warana kiyon duniya to apnay harami honay ka saboot day rahay.


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Posted 04 January 2009 - 08:53 PM



Anwar Bhai kabhi kisi jhootay nain b koi jawab dia hay kya???Yeh b isi tarah he karay ga.Idher ke baat udhar kar k har bar bhaag jay ga.Jhoot baseless hota hay.In k sheikh ke majlis main deo..Band..i bhi buhat jatay hain.Zahar hay gand gandagi k pas he phainka jata hay.In ko tab pata chala ga jab in kay seenon ke thandak in ke rooh ko takleef puhnchay ge.


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Posted 05 January 2009 - 09:56 AM

Sahaba ko (Nauzu-Billah) munafiq kehnay ke ilzaam ka jawab de chuka hun(jo k usi Shaikh Sahib ki statement se bhi zaahir hay--"--Munafiq thay (yaani us zamanay men thay); lekin jin say muhabat ki wo to nahi thay (yani Sahaba to nahi thay)". Shias k khilaf baaten kartay huay yeh statement di thi -- chunachay context to saaf zahir hay. Baaton ko tum log ghuma phira kar propaganda chala rahay ho-- Allah ki laanat ho yeh propaganda chalanay walon par.

Tumharay saray ilzamat isi tarah "banay" hen k koi jumla kahin se alag kar lia or koi kahin se-- ye to sheer baseless propaganda hay. Phir upar se tum logon ka jahilana or shaitani andaaz-i-guftugu, tum se kya baat ki jaay

Wo seenay ki thandak Syedi Amin k mureedon ki roohani parwazon ki wajah banti hay jab us men current ata hay-- tum kya jaano wo thandak kya hay-- tum to blasphemies kiay ja rahay ho --aziat to us thandak se doori men hay----saaf zahir hay k tumhen practical roohaniat ka kuch pata nahi, tum se kya baat ki jaay. Men tum jaison say Allah ki panah pakarta hun.

Edited by bud, 05 January 2009 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2009 - 10:02 AM

This is the essence of Tareeqat-- God's Light reflected by Himself (Noor-Allah, Wajh-Allah), reflected in turn by the heart (and face) of the Prophet (Noor-i-Nabi, Wajh-Nabi Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam, reflected in turn by the heart of the Shaikh, reflected in turn by the heart of the Mureed-- this is Noor-Allah--the essence of Sufism.

Yeh hay "Ya Wajh-Allah, Ya Wajh-Nabi" ki haqeeqat jo hum Shaikh Sahib k saath duhratay hen. Yeh jawab bhi day chuka hun

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 06:28 PM

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 07:27 AM

Dear Bud,
Please dont waste time with our friends. Unfortunately they dont realize that they can not stop a true Wali from doing wht Allah SWT has destined for him.
Dear Anwar and likes you can try your best but followers of Sheikh Amin are on the increase and you cant stop that, come what may. When there is truth people tend to beleive and follow it. I suggest you try it as well.

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 10:12 AM

"Sumum Bukmun Umyun--" Gustakh tu hay "anwar200",******, jis kay samnay men nay mamla khol kar rakh dia phir bhi itnay baray Aashiq-i-Rasool k khilaf gustakhian kar raha hay. Yeh gustakhian tum logon ki roohani aziat ka bais banen gi-- Allah say nahin dartay.
Dear Idreesi: These are not our friends, never.
La Haula wa La Quwata Ila Billah-il Ali-ul Azeem

Edited by Saif ul Islam, 06 January 2009 - 11:19 AM.
Alfaz ka Khayal Rakheay..


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Posted 07 January 2009 - 08:49 AM

G o a Mr.bud.Kya La Haul apnay lia he paraha hay na?????Kyon ke shaitaan k saathi b tum he ho na.M I right????
Yeh jo saaray proofs jo youtube main dia gay hain kya yeh sab ghalat hain????Zara apnay sheikh kay baap aur dada ka name tu bata do please!!!!!!Aur yeh tumhari dil ke thandak asal main tumharay dilon ka sakoon aur chain barbaad kar rahay hay laiakan tumhain is lia samaj nahin aa rahy kyon ke gunah main waqati taur par lazzat aati hay.Kuch sharam karo aur Allah say darro.


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Posted 07 January 2009 - 12:24 PM

Here is the answer to your false allegation regarding the matter of Aqa Ji's Maarifa:

Sahih Bukhari Kitabu-Tauheed Hadith No. 2357 narrated by Hazrat Sabit Abu Hamza in the presence of Hazrat Ans bin Malik (the original narrator of the Hadith) explains how Aqa Ji's Shafaat would take place. It is explained by Aqa Ji in this Hadith of Bukhari that for Shifaat he would praise Allah with such praises that was impossible for him to do now. Bukhari ka so-called Sunni Tarjuma by Abdul Hakim Shahjehanpuri jo Farid Book Stall, Urdu Bazaar, Lahore ne publish kia hay us men p.951(Vol-III) men yeh tarjuma hay: "Mujhay aisi Hamdon ka Imam kia jaey ga jin k saath men hamdo sana karun ga or wo mujhay ab yaad nahi".
This Hadith is also in Sahih Muslim Kitabul Iman Hadith no. 479 jis men is ka tarjuma Azizu Rehman ne ye kia hay (Vol-I, p.256): " Men us k samnay kharra ho kar us ki aisi hamdo sana karun ga k aaj men us par qadir nahi, wo hamdo sana Allah usi waqt ilqa farmain gay."
This Hadith is similar in meaning to the Hadith being quoted in your propaganda as it explains that Aqa Ji would finally have full maarifa but did not have full maarifa at least at some point in his physical lifespan on earth -- as for example also in childhood-- as for him "Walal aakhiratu khairu-laka minal oola"-- so potentially he has always had full maarifa which would gradually be revealed to him. Thus the Hadith quoted by Syedi Amin is authenticated by this mutafiq-alaih Hadith.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 05:19 PM

murtad sheikh amin ne Nabi (saw) per bohat se jhot bhanday hain jin mein aik yeh bi ha ke aqa ji ne apnay mutaliq aik defa keha tha ke marfaat ke ilm per mujh ko bi itna uboor nahi ha.
jis per kafar wo murtad sheikh amin aur os ke muridon se sawal kiya giya ke aqa ji (saw) ki kon si hadees mein aya ha ke jis mein ap aqa ji (saw) ne yeh farmaya ke marfaat ke ilm per on ko uboor nahi tha ap wo hawala lay ain jis mein yeh ilfaz majood hon ke Aqa ji (saw) ne apnay mutaliq keha ke on ko marfaat ke ilm per uboor nahi tha?jis ka aj tak kohi bi idrsi jawab na day ska likin bud sahib ne aj se kuch arsa pehlay
post no 108 mein yon farmaya
(Anyway I would again give you the sanad of whatever is stated by Syedi Amin which is "From Nabi Karim Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam to Shaikh Amin bin Abdul Rahman". This is the strongest sanad for those who have truly FELT Sy) keh kar jan churanay ki nakam koshish ki aur phir achanak aj bud ne aik aur koshish ki ke kisi tarah se apnay kafar ,jhotay,makar sheikh ko scha sabat kar diya jay likin insha Allah idrisi ghustakh jo kuch bi kar lain apnay sheikh ke jhot ko hergiz nahi chopa sktay bud ne aik aur jawab likha ha
(This Hadith is also in Sahih Muslim Kitabul Iman Hadith no. 479 jis men is ka tarjuma Azizu Rehman ne ye kia hay (Vol-I, p.256): " Men us k samnay kharra ho kar us ki aisi hamdo sana karun ga k aaj men us par qadir nahi, wo hamdo sana Allah usi waqt ilqa farmain gay)
wah ji wah ager tum wo nahi ho to bata do ke kahan likha ha is hadees mein ke aqa ji ne keha ke marfaat ke ilm per mujh ko pura uboor nahi ha?tum to kiya kohi sheikh amin jaisa sheetan bi yeh sabat nahi kar skta ke is hadees mein marfaat ke ilm ki nafi murad ha.yad rakho ke aik munafiq jis ko Nabi paak ke ilm per shaq tha Nabi (saw) se puch ke kiya mein asal se hon ya nahi to Nabi (saw) ne bataya ke tu harami ha jis per os munafiq ne apni maa se malom kiya ke bata Nabi (saw) ki baat dorosat ha ya nahi to os ki maa ne keha ke han tu apnay baap ka nahi ha to jis ko bi Nabi (saw) ke marfaat ke ilm per yaqeen nahi wo apni asal ka nahi kiya tum ya sheikh amin aur kiya wo munafiq sab aik jaisay hi hain.ager asal ke ho to maan loo ke Nabi (saw) ko marfaat ke ilm per uboor tha aur sheikh amin ne jo jhot bola ha Nabi paak ki zaat per jis se sabaat hota ha ke wo bi harami hi ha.

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 10:39 PM

Asaklamolikum

Bud sahib Jab Gustak-e-Rasool gis nay Nauzobillah Kahky Bana Kar Gustaki KE) Apny Enjam ko phcha tha yani us kay ghar ko agg lagb gay the aur wo Family Sameet Mar Gaya Tha. to us kay 3 maheny bad Sube Barat ko Yahan Sialkot Main Seikh Amin Kay
Mureed Sube barat ke raat ko Dhool Kay Sath Dance Karty Rahey Ye Kon Se Islam Hai?


2 Idresy log BANGRA Dalty Dhool Bajaty HAin YE Kon se HADEES main aya hai Kay Dhool bajowo bangra dalo.Aur Wo Be Sube Barat Ko?


Jab MAin NAy ek idresy say posha kay Ye tum nay keya keha hai jab kay ye ratt to Magferat talab karny ke hai. tu us nay kaha kay seikh amin bhut bary wali hain.hoo sakta hai kay khud (Hazrat Muhammad Sallalahoalyewasalam) nay un ko kaha hoo.
Etna bara Joot (Hazrat Muhammad Sallalahoalyewasal) kay sath mansoob katy us ko saram nay aye?

Phir idreesi log 12 rabiual awal ko be dhool aur dance karty hain.ye gumrahi nay to kayah hai?





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