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#1 Nasir Noman

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 05:55 PM

Assalam-o-Alikum,



Hum apki main new hain,or aaj pehli post ker rahy hain,mager ye post essi hai jis sey hosakta hai bohat sey logon ko achhi na lagey,mager hum koshish karey gey mukhtasir lafzon main apna is post ka bohat eham maqsad batain gey,



Aaj Pakistan or India main aqaid key itney barey barey ikhtalafat hain kia hum ney kabhi socha hai key is ka koi hal hai?



Kia aap ney kabhi socha key ye aaqaid key ikhtalafat humain kaha ley ker jarahy hain or in ikhtalafat sey aalam Islam ko kin khatrat ka samna hai?



Jis firqey sey aqaid key ikhtalafat key barey main sawal karey to apko jawabat Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak key reference sey hi dain gey,or apko sab ki batain hi sahi lagey gi, kio key inkar kerty hoey apko ye dar hoga kahin ap anjaney main kisi Quraan Pak ya Ahadees pak ko jhutlaney key gaunahgar ban saktey hain.



Issi liyain ye ikhtalafat itney pecheeda hotey gaey jo aahista aahista ek nafrat ka roop dhartey gaey,



Islam key kisi bhi firqey ney apney apney aqaid ki drustagi kaha sey seekhi?

Yaqinan Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak sey hi seekhi,

Is key alawa koi or rasta to nahi hai?

Ab ek hi sab key pas Quraan Pak or sab key pas ek hi Ahadees mubarka or phir bhi itney shaded ikhtalafat ?



Kahin koi to ghalati per hai ?kio key chhotey motey ikhtalafat to samajh main aatey hain mager ager faraq zameen or aasmaan ka hojey to humarey khayal main is faraq ko pakarna itna mushkil nahi jitna aaj kal log ulajh gaey hain key kon drust hai kon ghalat hai?


pls dehan sey poori akhir tak sawal perhain or samjh ker phir ap log apni raaey dain

humain apkey jawab ka intezar rahy ga

NAsir Noman


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Posted 19 May 2008 - 05:55 PM

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0:page_3.gif]Assalam-o-Alikum,




Hum apki main new hain,or aaj pehli post ker rahy hain,mager ye post essi hai jis sey hosakta hai bohat sey logon ko achhi na lagey,mager hum koshish karey gey mukhtasir lafzon main apna is post ka bohat eham maqsad batain gey,



Aaj Pakistan or India main aqaid key itney barey barey ikhtalafat hain kia hum ney kabhi socha hai key is ka koi hal hai?



Kia aap ney kabhi socha key ye aaqaid key ikhtalafat humain kaha ley ker jarahy hain or in ikhtalafat sey aalam Islam ko kin khatrat ka samna hai?



Jis firqey sey aqaid key ikhtalafat key barey main sawal karey to apko jawabat Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak key reference sey hi dain gey,or apko sab ki batain hi sahi lagey gi, kio key inkar kerty hoey apko ye dar hoga kahin ap anjaney main kisi Quraan Pak ya Ahadees pak ko jhutlaney key gaunahgar ban saktey hain.



Issi liyain ye ikhtalafat itney pecheeda hotey gaey jo aahista aahista ek nafrat ka roop dhartey gaey,



Islam key kisi bhi firqey ney apney apney aqaid ki drustagi kaha sey seekhi?

Yaqinan Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak sey hi seekhi,

Is key alawa koi or rasta to nahi hai?

Ab ek hi sab key pas Quraan Pak or sab key pas ek hi Ahadees mubarka or phir bhi itney shaded ikhtalafat ?



Kahin koi to ghalati per hai ?kio key chhotey motey ikhtalafat to samajh main aatey hain mager ager faraq zameen or aasmaan ka hojey to humarey khayal main is faraq ko pakarna itna mushkil nahi jitna aaj kal log ulajh gaey hain key kon drust hai kon ghalat hai?


pls dehan sey poori akhir tak sawal perhain or samjh ker phir ap log apni raaey dain

humain apkey jawab ka intezar rahy ga

NAsir Noman

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 09:49 PM

Jis firqey sey aqaid key ikhtalafat key barey main sawal karey to apko jawabat Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak key reference sey hi dain gey,or apko sab ki batain hi sahi lagey gi, kio key inkar kerty hoey apko ye dar hoga kahin ap anjaney main kisi Quraan Pak ya Ahadees pak ko jhutlaney key gaunahgar ban saktey hain.

YE BAAT WOHI SOOCHAY GA JO QURAN O HADEES KI TALIMAAT O AHKAMMAT SAY DOOR HOGA, JUB USSAY YE HI NAHI MALOOM KAH REFERENCE DENAY WALA QURAN KI AYAT SAHI PARH RAHA HAI YA NAHI, POORI AYAT PARHI YA APNA MAQSAD AADHI SAY POORA KIA BAKI AYAT KAY HISSA KO CHOOR DIA, KYA WO USS KA MAFHOOM SAHI BATA RAHA HAI, KYA WO TAFSEER BIL RAYE TO NAHI KAR RAHA, SAHABA IKRAN RADI ALLAH ANHUM KA ISS BARAY MAIN KYA AQEEDA THA, MUFASSIREEN NAY KYA KAHA, .......................HADEES BARAY MAIN BHI ISSI TARHAH.


Issi liyain ye ikhtalafat itney pecheeda hotey gaey jo aahista aahista ek nafrat ka roop dhartey gaey,

IKHTILAFAAT PEECHEEDA THAY HI NAHI, BALKAH HUM NAY SAMJHNAY KI KOSHISH HI NAHI KI, ULTA MOLVIYOON KAY JAGRAY KA NAAM DAAY KAR SAHI AQAID SAY DOOR HOGAYE, RAHI NAFRAT KI BAAT TO JI APP SAY KUCH POOCHNA CHAHOON GA

ABU JAHAL SAY RAFRAT KYOON KARTAY HAIN?

APP YAZEED SAY NAFRAT KYOON KARTAY HAIN?

ABDUL BIN UBAYE SALOOL SAY NAFRAT KYON?

MUSALIMA BIN KAZZAB SAY NAFRAT KYON?

WALEED BIN MUGEERA SAY NAFRAT KYON?

MIRZA DAJJAL SAY NAFRAT KYON?

SULEMAN RUSHDI SAY NAFRAT KYON?

UPPER WALAY AIK KO HATA KAR SARAY APNAY APP KO MUSLMAN KEHTAY THAY OR HAIN. PHIR IN SAY NAFRAT KYON AQAID KI BINA PAR, NABI KAREEM SALLALLAHO ALAIHI WASALLAM KI SHAN MAIN GHUSTAKHI KI WAJAH SAY, MIRZA BHI QURAN O HADEES SAY BAAT KARTA HAI PHIR USS KI BAATOON PER APP HAAN KYON NAHI KARTAY, IN SAY NAFRAT HI EMAAN KA TAKAZA HAI, QURAN KA HUKUM HAI.


Islam key kisi bhi firqey ney apney apney aqaid ki drustagi kaha sey seekhi?

Yaqinan Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak sey hi seekhi,

Is key alawa koi or rasta to nahi hai?

Ab ek hi sab key pas Quraan Pak or sab key pas ek hi Ahadees mubarka or phir bhi itney shaded ikhtalafat ?

HAAN APP ISS KI TEHKEEK ZAROOR KARAIN IN FIRQOON KAY YE AQAID KAHAN SAY AAYE, KISS SAY LYE, KYA ISS TARHAH KAY AQAID PEHLAY KISI ALIM NAY APNI KITABOON NAY LIKHAY.

SHI'AT KA BANI ABDULLAH BIN SABA YAHOODI THA. PARHYE SHIA HAZRAT KI MUSTANID KITABAIN.

WAHABIAT KA BANI IBN ABDUL WAHAB NAJDI ISS NAY KISS SAY PARHA ISS NAY IRAN KAY SAHAR QUM O ASFAHAN KAY MUJTAHIDOON SAY PARHA.

DEOBANDIAT WAHABIAT SAY NIKLI UTHAYE IN KAY AQAID.

QADYANIAT KAY BANI WAHABI OR DEOBANDI DONOON HAIN.

IN KAY AQAID BHI AIK JESAY HAIN :

1) ALLAH AZZAWAJAL KAY JHOOT BOLNAY KAY QAIL HAIN YE SHIA, WAHABI, DEOBANDI

TAFSEER MAJMAUL BAYAN BY ALLAMA TABRASI, USOOL E KAFI, FARAQ E SHIA (ALL R SHIA BOOK)

ISMAIL DEHLVI WAHABI O DEOBANDIOON KA MUSHTARKAH IMAM

RASHEED AHMED GANGOHI FATWA RASHEEDIA

2) NABI KAREEM SALLALLAHO ALAIHI WASALLAM KI SHAN MAIN GHUSTAKHI KI

ISLAMAIL DEHLVI TAQWIATUL EMAN

WAHABI DEOBANDI DONOON KA IMAM HAI

3) FIQAHI MASAIL KAY HAWALAY SAY APP DEKHAIN,

GOHRA SHIA MAIN BHI HALAL OR WAHABI MAIN BHI HALAL

MANI PAAK, PISHAB PAK, KINZEER PAK, KUTTA PAAK, SHIA BHI BANTAY HAIN WAHABI BHI MANTAY HAIN

MUTTA JAIZ WAHABI BHI MANTAY , SHIA BHI MANTAY HAIN, DEOBANDI BHI MANTAY HAIN

KUWWA KAHAN JAIZ, SAWAB, DEOBANDI BHI MANTAY HAIN SHIA BHI MANTAY HAIN.

SAHABA IKRAM RADI ALLAH ANHUM KI SHAN MAIN SHIA BHI GHUSTAKHI KARTA HAI, MOUDODI NAY BHI KI, DEOBANDI MUFTI ABDUL HAKEEM DEOBANDI OR MUFTI GHULAM GHOUS HAZARVI DEOBANDI NAY BHI KI, WAHABI WAHEED DUZ ZAMAN NAY BHI KI.

MIRZA QADYANI KO MARDA SULAH KISS NAY KAHA JUB ULLAMA HARMAIN NAY USS PER KUFUR KA FATWA LAGAYA 1886 MAIN DEOBANDIOON KA IMAM E RABBANI RASHEED AHMED GANGOHI HI THA,

MIRZA QADYANI KI SHADI TAY KARNAY WALA KON THA OR USS KA NIKAH 500 RS OR AIK SUSALLAH KAY LIA KISS NAY PARHAYE WAHABI MOLVI BATALVI OR BOHPALI NAY, YE NIKKAH BHI ULLAMA HARMAIN KAY FATWA KAY BAAD HOA. BALKAH 11 SAAL TAK MIRZA KAY KURIAT KI TAWEELAIN KARTAY RAHAY.

MIRZA KI 4 KITABAIN KISS NAY APNAY NAAM SAY PUBLISH KARWAYEEN, DEOBANDI HAKEEM UL UMMAT ASHRAF ALI THANVI

BILFARZ BAAD ZAMANA NABVI (SALLAM) BHI KOI NABI AAJAYE TO KHAATMIAT E NABVI PER KOI ASAR NAHI PARAY GA, YE KISS NAY KAHA DEOBANDI MOLVI QASIM NANOTVI NAY, YE HI EBARAT MIRZA NASIR BAIG NAY 1974 KAY QOMI ASEMBLY NAY PARHI THI KAH TUMHARA BHI YE HI AQIDA HAI. USS WAQT ALLAMA SHAH AHMED NOORANI REHMATULLAH TA'ALA ALAIH NAY BARMALAL KAHA THA KAH HUM ISS EBARAT KAY LIKHNAY WALAY OR MANNAY WALAY KO KAFIR MANTAY HAIN.

YE TO CHAND AIK MISALAIN THEEN WARNA FEHRIST BOHAT LAMBI HAI SHIAT, WAHABIAT, DEOBANDIAT KAY APAS MAIN TALLUKAAT KI.

Kahin koi to ghalati per hai ?kio key chhotey motey ikhtalafat to samajh main aatey hain mager ager faraq zameen or aasmaan ka hojey to humarey khayal main is faraq ko pakarna itna mushkil nahi jitna aaj kal log ulajh gaey hain key kon drust hai kon ghalat hai?

UB MAIN APP SAY SAWAL KARTA HOON KON SAHI HAI KON GALAT?

حضرت سواد بن قارب رضی اللہ تعالی عنہ کا قصیدہ


فاشھد ان اللہ لا شیئ غیرہ
و انک مامون علی کل غائب
و انک ادنی المرسلین شفاعۃ
الی اللہ یا ابن الاکرمین الاطائب
فکن لی شفیعا یوم لا ذو شفاعۃ
سواک بمغن عن سواد بن قارب


#4 Nasir Noman

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Posted 20 May 2008 - 11:26 AM

Jis firqey sey aqaid key ikhtalafat key barey main sawal karey to apko jawabat Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak key reference sey hi dain gey,or apko sab ki batain hi sahi lagey gi, kio key inkar kerty hoey apko ye dar hoga kahin ap anjaney main kisi Quraan Pak ya Ahadees pak ko jhutlaney key gaunahgar ban saktey hain.

YE BAAT WOHI SOOCHAY GA JO QURAN O HADEES KI TALIMAAT O AHKAMMAT SAY DOOR HOGA, JUB USSAY YE HI NAHI MALOOM KAH REFERENCE DENAY WALA QURAN KI AYAT SAHI PARH RAHA HAI YA NAHI, POORI AYAT PARHI YA APNA MAQSAD AADHI SAY POORA KIA BAKI AYAT KAY HISSA KO CHOOR DIA, KYA WO USS KA MAFHOOM SAHI BATA RAHA HAI, KYA WO TAFSEER BIL RAYE TO NAHI KAR RAHA, SAHABA IKRAN RADI ALLAH ANHUM KA ISS BARAY MAIN KYA AQEEDA THA, MUFASSIREEN NAY KYA KAHA, .......................HADEES BARAY MAIN BHI ISSI TARHAH.


Issi liyain ye ikhtalafat itney pecheeda hotey gaey jo aahista aahista ek nafrat ka roop dhartey gaey,

IKHTILAFAAT PEECHEEDA THAY HI NAHI, BALKAH HUM NAY SAMJHNAY KI KOSHISH HI NAHI KI, ULTA MOLVIYOON KAY JAGRAY KA NAAM DAAY KAR SAHI AQAID SAY DOOR HOGAYE, RAHI NAFRAT KI BAAT TO JI APP SAY KUCH POOCHNA CHAHOON GA

ABU JAHAL SAY RAFRAT KYOON KARTAY HAIN?

APP YAZEED SAY NAFRAT KYOON KARTAY HAIN?

ABDUL BIN UBAYE SALOOL SAY NAFRAT KYON?

MUSALIMA BIN KAZZAB SAY NAFRAT KYON?

WALEED BIN MUGEERA SAY NAFRAT KYON?

MIRZA DAJJAL SAY NAFRAT KYON?

SULEMAN RUSHDI SAY NAFRAT KYON?

UPPER WALAY AIK KO HATA KAR .........................
.............UB MAIN APP SAY SAWAL KARTA HOON KON SAHI HAI KON GALAT?


Assalam-o-ALikum

ye sari batain jo ap ney batai hain ye hum Jaa ul Haq main bohat tafseel sey perh chukey hain,
or issi tarha dewbandi ney apni jin books main in baton ki wazahat ki hai wo bhi perh chukey hain.
or yaqinan Saudi Ulma key pas bhi in key bohat sarey essey jawabat hongey,kio key essa to nahi sarey Saudi bas undha dhund Wahabi ki Taqleed kerty hongey,

humara sawal to ye hi hai key ager sab ye hi kehtey hain to ghalat kon hai ?

is key liyain hum ney 6 pages attached kiey hain mager is post main nahi hosakey or is key baad jo dosri same post hai us main mojood hai,
usko dehan sey pehain koi bat miss nahi kijey ga or achhi tarha samjh ker jawab dijey ga,

humain Intezar rahy ga

Nasir Noman

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 07:36 AM

Nauman Sahab

Aap ka muda'aa kia hai wo sada aur aasan zaban mai bayan kar dain takay sab ko aap ki asal baat samghnay mai aasani ho. aap nay pahlay kaha sab sahee hain kia pata kaun si hadith ka inkar ho jaiay aik ka inkar karnay say laiken aap ki post mai attached pages say tu lagta hai roaiy sukhan sirf barelvi ulema ki taraf he hai aur Ahlesunnat barelvi ulema ki samgh pay ilme deen hadith dani arabi zaban pay maharat waghaira pay aaitaraz hai

aur shayad aap guman kar bhaithay kay Ahlesunnat wal jamat say hat kar barelvi koi naya farqa hai jo hind o pak mai aijad howa tu aisa hargiz tha na hai aur na he Ulema Bareli nay koi aqida koi amal koi bhee cheaz Islam mai apni samgh say shamil kari hai . Nabi pak alaislam say , sahaba kiram rizwanullah ajameen say Tabaeen say jo deen seena ba seena nasal dar nasal muntaqil howa 1400 sal say jo mazhab Ahlesunnat wal jamat ka hai Bareli ulema ka bhee wohi mazhab hai wohi aqeeda wohi mamolat hain na kuch kam na kuch ziada. Arab o Ajam mai saray Aalam mai Alhamdulillah Ahlesunnat wal jamat ki aksariyat thee , hai aur hamaisha rahay gee inshaAllah azzawajal Harmain Sharifain ho ya dosray arab mumalik ya ghair arab mumalik Alhamdulillah Ahlesunnat nay kabhee kisi zalim aur jabir hakomat kay khauf say jhot ko sach nahe kaha aur na haq ko haq kahna chora hai na wo chorain gain. Uswa e Shabbiri raziAllahoanhu hamaisha say ulemae haq kay sar ka taj hai.

Aur rahee arab ghair arab ki baat tu shayad aap bhol gaiay kay dunya e islam ki bayshumar mayanaz hastiya ajami theen kia aap sirf arab na honay ki waja say un ki ahamiyat aur deeni liaqat say inkar kar dain gain?? halakay un kay waqt mai baray baray arab ulema un kay aagay ba adab shagird ban kay bhaita kartay they.

Ghouse Azam Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani , Imam e Azam Abu Hanifa , Imam Ghazali , Imam Bukhari, Imam Rumi , Mujaddid Alif Sani aur dosray bayshumar ulema aur auliya rahmatullah aalihim ajmaeen kay baray mai aap ka kia khayal hai jo ghair arab thay aur kitnay he aisay kay jin ki parwarish bhee arabi tahzeeb aur arabi bolnay walay mahool mai nahe howi balkay unhoo nay arabi zuban seekh kar baray baray nasli arabi dano ko hairan kar dia. un kay waqt mai baray say baray paidaishi taur pay arabi zuban bolnay walay un kay aagay adab say sir jhukatay aur aaj tak baray say bara aalim un ki aahamyat say inkar nahe kar sakta? is leay Haq aur Batil ka mayar zuban nasal arab aur ghair arab nahee Shariyat e Islam say wabastagi hai.

aur rahee baat Haq aur Batil ko phaichany ki tu Insan kay dil mai sachi justajo hu tu Allah azzawajal us ki talab ko kabhee zaya nahee farmata magar jo is ka khud talib na khud sachai ki talab na karay tu Allah azzawaal baynayaz hai khud Allah azzawajal ka farman e aalishan hai kay Allah azzawajl fasiqo ko hidayat nahee farmata par jo bhalai ki taraf aanay ki justajo karay Allah azzawajal usay 1 qadam kay badlay 10 qadam sachai kay qareeb farmata hai aur usay deen ki samagh ata farmata hai.

Ab pahlay sidq e dil say apnay aap ka khud jaiza lai kia aap waqai janna chahtay hain kay haq kia hai aur batil kia hai kia aap kay dil mai yehi tarap hai ya nahee inshaAllah jab yei tarap hogee tu Allah azzawajal shahrag say ziada qareeb hai aur jis ka hami o nasir Allah azzawajal aur Us kay Habib alaislam hoon wo sach jhot ki phaichan bari asani say kar laita hai aur haq aur batil ko foran phaichan laita hai.

Allah azzawajl kay Rasul alaislam ka farameen ka mafhoom hai kay Momin aik sorakh say do bar nahe dasa jata aur Momin Allah azzawajl kay noor say daikhta hai. aik sada sa usool yad rakhain

Ba adab Ba naseeb
Bay adab Bay naseeb

Edited by Saif ul Islam, 22 May 2008 - 07:38 AM.

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 05:19 PM

Nauman Sahab

Aap ka muda'aa kia hai wo sada aur aasan zaban mai bayan kar dain takay sab ko aap ki asal baat samghnay mai aasani ho. aap nay pahlay kaha sab sahee hain kia pata kaun si hadith ka inkar ho jaiay aik ka inkar karnay say laiken aap ki post mai attached pages say tu lagta hai roaiy sukhan sirf barelvi ulema ki taraf he hai aur Ahlesunnat barelvi ulema ki samgh pay ilme deen hadith dani arabi zaban pay maharat waghaira pay aaitaraz hai




Assalam-o-Alikum,



Ap ney shayad attachment sahi sey read nahi ki,ye bohat asan or sada lafzon main likhi hoi hai,key jab ek taraf ye kaha jata hai key humarey ye aqeedey drust hain or humarey ye Aqeedey Quraan Pak ki mukhtalif Ayat sey sabit hotey hain,or phir log barey barey Burugan-e-Deen key Hawaley detey hain,

Or jab dosri taraf sawal kia jata hai to udher bhi ye hi soorat-e-Haal hoti hai.

Ab ye faisla kesey ho?

Jab sab ney apney Aqaid Quraan Pak sey sabit kerty hain to kisi key samjh main to faraq hai kio key ager Quraan pak or Ahdees Pak key samjhney ka faraq hota to chhotey motey ikhtalafat to samjh aatey hain mager ager faraq Zameen-o-Aasman ka ban jaey to humarey khayal main is ko samjhna itna mushkil nahi.

Us key liyain hi ye sawal pesh kia hai?

aur shayad aap guman kar bhaithay kay Ahlesunnat wal jamat say hat kar barelvi koi naya farqa hai jo hind o pak mai aijad howa tu aisa hargiz tha na hai aur na he Ulema Bareli nay koi aqida koi amal koi bhee cheaz Islam mai apni samgh say shamil kari hai . Nabi pak alaislam say , sahaba kiram rizwanullah ajameen say Tabaeen say jo deen seena ba seena nasal dar nasal muntaqil howa 1400 sal say jo mazhab Ahlesunnat wal jamat ka hai Bareli ulema ka bhee wohi mazhab hai wohi aqeeda wohi mamolat hain na kuch kam na kuch ziada. Arab o Ajam mai saray Aalam mai Alhamdulillah Ahlesunnat wal jamat ki aksariyat thee , hai aur hamaisha rahay gee inshaAllah azzawajal




Ager ap ye kahtey hain key poori dunia main Brelvi Aqaid walon ki aksaryat hai.

To ye sochain key ye jo Ikhtalafat jo Pakistan or India main nazar aatey hain essay hi Ikhtalafat sari dunia main nazar aaney chahiey?

Hum ney Malaysia dekha hai waha 100% Saudi Ulama ko follow kertey hain,

Or bhi bohat sarey Islami dunia key log taqreeban 100% wohi Aqeedey follow kertey hain,

Or ager ap kehtey hain key hum ghalat kahtey hain to ye batain key Barelvi Ulama ye kahtey hain key Saudi Ulma key peechhey Namaz nahi hoti,



Ager ap kabhi Haj per gaey hoon ya kisi esey sahib jo kabhi Haj per gaey hoon un sey poochain key taqreeban 60 lakh Musalman hotey hain dunia bher key,

mager sirif chand 100 Baraelvi Musalman hotey hain jo Saudi Ulma key peechey Namaz nahi perhty.

To ap ye batain ya to sarey Muslaman barailvi Aqaid key nahi hain ya phir ager ap key hi mutabiq un main sey ziada tar Barailvi Aqaid key log hain to ager wo Muslaman Saudi Ulma key peechhey Namaz perhtey hain to is tareeqey sey un ki Namaz nahi hoti or ager Namaz nahi hoti to un ka Haj kesey hosakta hai?

Is ka matlab ye nahi hua key poori dunia key Musalmano key Haj nahi horahey ager ap key Mutabiq poori dunia key Musalman Barailvi Aqeedey key hain?

Harmain Sharifain ho ya dosray arab mumalik ya ghair arab mumalik Alhamdulillah Ahlesunnat nay kabhee kisi zalim aur jabir hakomat kay khauf say jhot ko sach nahe kaha aur na haq ko haq kahna chora hai na wo chorain gain. Uswa e Shabbiri raziAllahoanhu hamaisha say ulemae haq kay sar ka taj hai.





apkey khayal main poori Saudi arab ki qoom main koi bhi essa bahadur nahi hai jo Islam key in eham mamlat key liyain apni government sey Ikhtalaf ker sakey?or poora Saudi Arab undha dhund Wahabiat per amal kar raha hai?

Ager apka jawab ye hai key “essa nahi hai” to please ye batain key Saudi Arab key kon si jaga main Pakistan and India waley Ikhtalafat hain?

Yaani Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ko Hazir Nazir mana jata hai?

Ya kon si Masjid main Azan sey pehley Salat-o-Salam perha jata hai?

Ya Eid Milad Un Nabi Sallaho Alihey Wassalam per jhundhey lagaey jatey hain jaloos nikaley jatey hain?

Ya issi tarha key beshumar Ikhtalafat jo Pak-oHind main paey jatey hain waha ya poori dunia main kio nahi nazar atey ?






Aur rahee arab ghair arab ki baat tu shayad aap bhol gaiay kay dunya e islam ki bayshumar mayanaz hastiya ajami theen kia aap sirf arab na honay ki waja say un ki ahamiyat aur deeni liaqat say inkar kar dain gain?? halakay un kay waqt mai baray baray arab ulema un kay aagay ba adab shagird ban kay bhaita kartay they.

Ghouse Azam Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani , Imam e Azam Abu Hanifa , Imam Ghazali , Imam Bukhari, Imam Rumi , Mujaddid Alif Sani aur dosray bayshumar ulema aur auliya rahmatullah aalihim ajmaeen kay baray mai aap ka kia khayal hai jo ghair arab thay aur kitnay he aisay kay jin ki parwarish bhee arabi tahzeeb aur arabi bolnay walay mahool mai nahe howi balkay unhoo nay arabi zuban seekh kar baray baray nasli arabi dano ko hairan kar dia. un kay waqt mai baray say baray paidaishi taur pay arabi zuban bolnay walay un kay aagay adab say sir jhukatay aur aaj tak baray say bara aalim un ki aahamyat say inkar nahe kar sakta? is leay Haq aur Batil ka mayar zuban nasal arab aur ghair arab nahee Shariyat e Islam say wabastagi hai.




Ap shyad humari bat ghalat samjh rahy hain,

Humara maqsad ye nahi hai key sirif Arab key log hi drust hain or baqi sari dunia ghalat hai,
pori dunia main Ehley Sunnat main Aqaid key jo barey Ikhtalafat hain unko do hisson main taqseem kia hai,(Jo aap dekh saktey hain key ek Taraf Saudi Ulama,Dewbandi or Ehley Hadees hain jin main bhi apas main Ikhtalafat hain mager Aqaid key Nuqta-e-Nazar sey apas main Ittefaq rakhtey hain or dosri taraf humarey Barailvi Ulma Hazrat hain)

Apko itney aasan lafzon main samjhya hai key Quraan Pak or Ahdees pak ko samjhney key baad ager chhotey ikhtalafat hotey to samjh aatey hain mager jab Ikhtalafat zameen-oAasman ka faraq hota hai to phir ye faisla ker neykey liyain hi sawal pesh kia hai,

Ye jo ooper ap ney Buzrug Hastion key Naam Mubarak diey hain ap ager tareekh utha ker perhain to in Buzurgan-e-Deen key Ikhtalfat itney barey nahi they,

Ap ye keha chahtey hain key ye ikhtalafat jo aaj kal humarey darmian hain in Burugan-e-Deen key dor main bhi they?

To apki maloomat ghalat hain.

Musalmano main Ikhtalafat her dor main rahey hain mager essey Ikhtalafat nahi jo aaj ek hi Imam Abu Hanifa Rehmatullah Alihey key manney walon key darmian hain(Matlab Dewbandi and Barailvi)

aur rahee baat Haq aur Batil ko phaichany ki tu Insan kay dil mai sachi justajo hu tu Allah azzawajal us ki talab ko kabhee zaya nahee farmata magar jo is ka khud talib na khud sachai ki talab na karay tu Allah azzawaal baynayaz hai khud Allah azzawajal ka farman e aalishan hai kay Allah azzawajl fasiqo ko hidayat nahee farmata par jo bhalai ki taraf aanay ki justajo karay Allah azzawajal usay 1 qadam kay badlay 10 qadam sachai kay qareeb farmata hai aur usay deen ki samagh ata farmata hai.

Ab pahlay sidq e dil say apnay aap ka khud jaiza lai kia aap waqai janna chahtay hain kay haq kia hai aur batil kia hai kia aap kay dil mai yehi tarap hai ya nahee inshaAllah jab yei tarap hogee tu Allah azzawajal shahrag say ziada qareeb hai aur jis ka hami o nasir Allah azzawajal aur Us kay Habib alaislam hoon wo sach jhot ki phaichan bari asani say kar laita hai aur haq aur batil ko foran phaichan laita hai.

Allah azzawajl kay Rasul alaislam ka farameen ka mafhoom hai kay Momin aik sorakh say do bar nahe dasa jata aur Momin Allah azzawajl kay noor say daikhta hai. aik sada sa usool yad rakhain


itni lambi tafseel sey likhey ka maqsad hi ye hai key hum un sawalat ka jawab talash kar sakey jo humain confuz kartey hain.ye humari koshishi hai.kio key hum kisi per bhi undha dhund taqleed key qaail nahi hain,hum samjhtey hain key zid kerna shitan ka amal hai or apney dil main gunjaish rakhni chahiey takey kisi dosrey ki bat bhi sun or samjh sakain.Hum humesha Allah sey dua kerty hain key Allah Taala humain Hidayat ata farmey Ameen.



Nasir Noman

Edited by Nasir Noman, 22 May 2008 - 05:21 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2008 - 03:55 AM

Ap ney shayad attachment sahi sey read nahi ki,ye bohat asan or sada lafzon main likhi hoi hai,key jab ek taraf ye kaha jata hai key humarey ye aqeedey drust hain or humarey ye Aqeedey Quraan Pak ki mukhtalif Ayat sey sabit hotey hain,or phir log barey barey Burugan-e-Deen key Hawaley detey hain,

Or jab dosri taraf sawal kia jata hai to udher bhi ye hi soorat-e-Haal hoti hai.

Ab ye faisla kesey ho?


Aapko Main Allama Kaukab Norani Sahib Key Bayan ka Link Deta Hoon Ager Aap Sun Lein Sidq-e-Dil Key Sath Aur Aapki Niyat Ikhtilaf Ki Nhin Waqayi Haqaiq Ko Jan'ney ki Hai key Dono Taraf Sey Quran-o-Hadees Pesh Kiya Jata Hai Kaun sahi Hai Aur Kaun Ghalat? Tu Aap Is Bayan Sey Haqaiq Jan Jayen Gey...

Ahle Sunnat Ka Aqeedah Aur Sahaba-e-Karam
Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 - Part 4



Jab sab ney apney Aqaid Quraan Pak sey sabit kerty hain to kisi key samjh main to faraq hai kio key ager Quraan pak or Ahdees Pak key samjhney ka faraq hota to chhotey motey ikhtalafat to samjh aatey hain mager ager faraq Zameen-o-Aasman ka ban jaey to humarey khayal main is ko samjhna itna mushkil nahi.

Us key liyain hi ye sawal pesh kia hai?



Ager Aap Bayan Sun Lein Tanqeedi Nazer Ki Bajaye Islah Ki Niyyat Sey Tu Aapka Yeh Masala Hal Ho Jaye Ga key Sahaba Karam (Alehim Ridwan) Ka Jo Aqeedah Hai Woh Kaun Ker Raha Hai Aur Kaun Is Key Against Hai...



Ager ap ye kahtey hain key poori dunia main Brelvi Aqaid walon ki aksaryat hai. To ye sochain key ye jo Ikhtalafat jo Pakistan or India main nazar aatey hain essay hi Ikhtalafat sari dunia main nazar aaney chahiey?
Hum ney Malaysia dekha hai waha 100% Saudi Ulama ko follow kertey hain,

Or bhi bohat sarey Islami dunia key log taqreeban 100% wohi Aqeedey follow kertey hain,



Aapki Malomat Tu Kafi Naqis Hain.. Aap Ney Taqreeban Dunya Ko Ghair Muqalid Bana Diya Jinki Aksriyat Pakistan Mein Nazer Nhin Aati.. Hamarey City Mein Ghair Muqalideen Ki Gini Chuni 2/3 Masajid Hain... Agerchey City itna Bara Nhin Mager AhleSunnat Barelavi Aur Deobandis Ki Masajid Dekhi Jayen Tu Hazaroon Mein Hain...

Aur Ager Aapki Muraad Taqreeban Dunya Sey Hanbali Maslak hai (Kiyon Key Saudis Bhi Ba Zahir Apney Aap Ko Hanabli Show Kertey Hain) Tu Malaysia Mein Hanabali Fiqh key Follower Zyada Zaror Hongey Phir Bhi Aapki Malomat Naqis Ho Gayeen Key Pori Dunya Mein Hanafi Zyada Hain... Aur Hanabali Tu Sunni Hotey Hain... Kabhi Aap Ney Un Hanabiliyon ko Test Bhi Kiya Key Woh Shirk-o-Biddat Key Fatwey Bhi Laga Rahey They Saudis Naam Key Hanbaliyon Aur Haqeeqat Ghair Muqalidoon Ki Terha?


Or ager ap kehtey hain key hum ghalat kahtey hain to ye batain key Barelvi Ulama ye kahtey hain key Saudi Ulma key peechhey Namaz nahi hoti,

Ager ap kabhi Haj per gaey hoon ya kisi esey sahib jo kabhi Haj per gaey hoon un sey poochain key taqreeban 60 lakh Musalman hotey hain dunia bher key,

mager sirif chand 100 Baraelvi Musalman hotey hain jo Saudi Ulma key peechey Namaz nahi perhty.

To ap ye batain ya to sarey Muslaman barailvi Aqaid key nahi hain ya phir ager ap key hi mutabiq un main sey ziada tar Barailvi Aqaid key log hain to ager wo Muslaman Saudi Ulma key peechhey Namaz perhtey hain to is tareeqey sey un ki Namaz nahi hoti or ager Namaz nahi hoti to un ka Haj kesey hosakta hai?

Is ka matlab ye nahi hua key poori dunia key Musalmano key Haj nahi horahey ager ap key Mutabiq poori dunia key Musalman Barailvi Aqeedey key hain?



Iska Jawab Aapko
Yahan Sey Tafseeli Mil Jaye Ga... Key Jo Inkey Aqaid Sey Waqif Ho Ker Inkey Pechay Namaz Perhtey Hain Unki Tu Nhin Hoti Aur Jinko Pata Hi nhin tu Allah (azw) Ki Rahmat Sey Umeed Hai Woh Unki Namazon Ko Zaya Nhin Kerey Ga.. Tafseel Oper Link Mein Mulahiza Hoo... Hamarey Maslak Key Intihayi Motabar Aalim Imam Ahmad Saeed Kazmi (Aleh rahma) Ka Fatwa Mojod Hai...

Rahi yeh Baat Key Hajj Kesay Hoga?? Tu Ager Aapko Hajj Key Arakeen Ka Pata Hota Tu Aap Yeh Baat Na Kertey... Ilm Ki Kami Ki Wajah Sey Awam is Suwal Per Dhoka Kha Jati Hai... Hajj Imam-e-Kaba Key Pechay Namaz Perhney Na Perhney Per Moqof Nhin Hota... Iski Tafseeli bhi Oper Link Sey Mil Jaye Gi... (azw) (ia)


apkey khayal main poori Saudi arab ki qoom main koi bhi essa bahadur nahi hai jo Islam key in eham mamlat key liyain apni government sey Ikhtalaf ker sakey?or poora Saudi Arab undha dhund Wahabiat per amal kar raha hai?



Kiya Aapko Pata Hai Key Namaz-e-Jum'aa Mein Wahan Key Imam Kaunsa Bayan Kertey Hain? Jo Hakomat Ki taraf Sey Likha Likhaya Milta Hai...

Aapko Malom Hai Key Wahan Ager Kisi Masjid Mein Koi Sunni Barelavi Aqeedey Ka Imam Mil Jaye Tu Uskey Sath Kiya Hota Hai? Band Ker Diya Jata Hai.. Aur Zulm bhi Hota Hai...

Jab Aisi Terrorist Motasib Govt Hogi Tu Kaun Himmat Kerey Ga???

Ager apka jawab ye hai key “essa nahi hai” to please ye batain key Saudi Arab key kon si jaga main Pakistan and India waley Ikhtalafat hain?



Ikhtilafat Kiyon Nhin Hain? Wahan Tu Dandey ka Zaur Hai... Jahan Per Dandey Ka Zaur Ho Wahan Sey Berh Ker Bhi Kaheen Ikhtilafat Ho Saktey Hain? Sab Sey Zayada Ikhtilafat Tu Woheen Hain Jo Ya Rasool Allah (saw) Kehney Waley Ko Bhi Band Ker Key us Per Zulm Kertey Hain Zalim Wahabi... Tu Ager Ikhtilafat Nhin Hain Tu Yeh Zulm Kis Liye??? Iska Jawab Aap Bata Dein...

Yaani Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ko Hazir Nazir mana jata hai?

Ya kon si Masjid main Azan sey pehley Salat-o-Salam perha jata hai?

Ya Eid Milad Un Nabi Sallaho Alihey Wassalam per jhundhey lagaey jatey hain jaloos nikaley jatey hain?

Ya issi tarha key beshumar Ikhtalafat jo Pak-oHind main paey jatey hain waha ya poori dunia main kio nahi nazar atey ?



Iska Jawab Aachuka Key Yeh Sarey Kam Wahan Hotey Hain Mager Chup Ker Zalimon Key Shar Ki Wajah Sey... Yeh Zalim Hakomat Khatam Ho Jaye Phir Dekhye Ga... Kesi Milad Ki Dhomein Aur Jaloos Ki Dhomein Hongi Wahan... Ager Aapko Meri Baat Per Yaqeen na Aaye tu Zyada Nhin Sirf 80 Years Sey Qabal Ki History Utha Ker Dekh lein Jab Arab per Saudiyon Ki Govt Nhin Thi.. Tab Arab Mein Kiya Hota Tha... Aap Ka History ka Muta'aliya Bhi Buhut Naqis Hai...

Ap shyad humari bat ghalat samjh rahy hain,
Humara maqsad ye nahi hai key sirif Arab key log hi drust hain or baqi sari dunia ghalat hai,
pori dunia main Ehley Sunnat main Aqaid key jo barey Ikhtalafat hain unko do hisson main taqseem kia hai,(Jo aap dekh saktey hain key ek Taraf Saudi Ulama,Dewbandi or Ehley Hadees hain jin main bhi apas main Ikhtalafat hain mager Aqaid key Nuqta-e-Nazar sey apas main Ittefaq rakhtey hain or dosri taraf humarey Barailvi Ulma Hazrat hain)



Dono Aik Darya (Abdul Wahhab Najdi) Ki 2 Nehrein Hain.. Farq Muqlid Aur Ghair Muqlid Ka Hai...

Apko itney aasan lafzon main samjhya hai key Quraan Pak or Ahdees pak ko samjhney key baad ager chhotey ikhtalafat hotey to samjh aatey hain mager jab Ikhtalafat zameen-oAasman ka faraq hota hai to phir ye faisla ker neykey liyain hi sawal pesh kia hai,



Iska Jawab Aap Ghour Sey Perhye...

Aksar Ikhtilafat Chotey Hi Hain Inko Bara Kiya Gaya Hai...
Maslan... Milad, Jaloos, Angohtey Choomna, Giyarhveen, Salam-o-Qayam, Teeja, Chaleesvan, Azan Sey Qabal Baad Durood Waghera...

Yeh Ikhtilafat Chotey Hain Mager Asal Ikhtilafat Ko Mitaney Key Liye Wahabiyon Ney Inko Bara Kiya Hai...

In Mein Sey Kisi Ko Bhi Hum Farz ya Wajib Nhin Kehtey.. Yeh Aik Mustahab Nafali Kam Hain... Mager Is Per Hum Behs Is Liye kertey Hain Jab Inko Bara Ker Key Yani Haraam Ker Key Pesh Kiya Jata Hai..

Zameen Aur Aasaam key Farq Waley Ikhtilafat Kam hain.. Jinko Awam Sey Chupaya Jata Hai In Chotey Ikhtilafat Ko Bech Mein La Ker...

Woh Hain Wahabiyon Ki Gustkhana Ibaraat.. Jis Mein Wahabiyon Ney Allah (azw) Aur Sarkar (saw) Ki Shaan Mein Gustakhi Ki Hai... Ager Un Per Aapko Malomat Chahyen Tu Aapko Isi Forum Key Munazra Section Sey Kayi Topics Mil Saktey Hain.. Woh Asal Ikhtilafat Hain Jinko Hum Aaqa (saw) Ki Gustakhi Mantey Hain (Aur Hain Bhi Sahi) Mager Wahabi Un kufryaat KI Taveelein Kertey Hain... Ager Aap Is Per Tafseel Sey Discussion Kerna Chahein Tu InshaAllah Hum Hazir Hain...

Ye jo ooper ap ney Buzrug Hastion key Naam Mubarak diey hain ap ager tareekh utha ker perhain to in Buzurgan-e-Deen key Ikhtalfat itney barey nahi they,



Bilkul 13hveen Sadi Sey Pehley Itney Nhin they... Yeh Jo Fitna Utha.. Iski Khabar Aaj Sey 1400 Saal Pehley Hi Dey Di Gayi Thi... Hadees-e-Najd Shayed Aap Ney Suni Hogi... IM Key Munazra Section Mein Is Hadees Najd Ko Aik Ghair Muqalid Ney Iraq Ki Taraf Sabit Kerna Chaha... Mager Baad Mein Woh Khud Phans Gaye Aur Reply Kerna Chor Diya.. Hum Inteezar Mein Hain Key Koi Wahabi Aaker Is Sahi Hadees Ko Iraq per Sabit Ker Key Apney Abdul Wahhab Najdi Ko Bacha Ley...

Aur Aap Ager Jan'na Chahtey Hain Key Bazurgan-e-Deen Ka Key Kiya Aqaid They Tu Isi Forum Per Aapko Kayi Topics Mil Jayen Gey... Ager Aap Kahain Tu Aapki Aasani Key Liye Links Bhi Diye Ja Saktey Hain... Aur Recently Aik Book IslamiEducation.com Per Mojod Hai Merey Nick Name Mein Uska Title Image Mojod Hai... Siraj-ul-Hind Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz Muhadis Dehalvi (Aleh Rahma) ... Iska Muta'aliya Kerein... Yeh Wahabi deobandi Aur Wahabi Ghair Muqalid Dono Key Nazdeek Motabar Mohadis Hain... Aap Sirf Inkey Aqaid Perh Lein Bama Hawalajat... Phir InshaAllah Aapko baqi Bhi pesh Kerein Gey Ager Aapko Zarorat Hoon Tu...

itni lambi tafseel sey likhey ka maqsad hi ye hai key hum un sawalat ka jawab talash kar sakey jo humain confuz kartey hain.ye humari koshishi hai.kio key hum kisi per bhi undha dhund taqleed key qaail nahi hain,hum samjhtey hain key zid kerna shitan ka amal hai or apney dil main gunjaish rakhni chahiey takey kisi dosrey ki bat bhi sun or samjh sakain.Hum humesha Allah sey dua kerty hain key Allah Taala humain Hidayat ata farmey Ameen.



Ager Koi Bandah Ghair Janibdar Ho Ker Haq Ki Talash kerey Aur Uski History Per Bhi Nazer Hoo Tu InshaAllah (azw) Ussey Haq Jan'ney Mein Mushqil Nhin Hogi... Hamarey Kuch Dost Hain Jinho Ney Waqayi Ghair Janibdar Ho Ker Mukhtalif Firqoon Ka Muta'aliya Kiya... (al) Aaj Woh Ahle Sunnat Barelavi Maslak Per Hain... Aur Lafz Barelavi Key Barey Mein Saif ul Islam Bhayi Aapko bata Chukey Hain Key Yeh koi Naya Firqa Nhin Hai... Chonkey Humein Aisa Kaha Jata Hai Aur Aik Wali Kamil Sey Nisbat Ho Rahi Hai Is Liye Humein Apney Aapko Barelavi Kehtey Howey Koi Chirh Bhi Nhin Hai... Mager (al) Hamarey Aqaid Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat Waley Hain... Ager Aap Is Baat Per Discussion Kerna Chahein Tu Hum Aapko Hawalajat Sey Proof Ker Saktey Hain...


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Posted 23 May 2008 - 04:57 AM

The Al-Sa`ud and Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhab – the founder of Wahhabism



Wahhabism is named after the its founder, Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wahhab (1703-1792), and has its roots in the land now known as Saudi Arabia. Without this man, the al-Sa`ud ‎, one of many clans spread over the Arabian peninsula, would not have had the inspiration, reason, and determination to consolidate the power that they did and wage "jihad" on people they perceived to be “polytheists” – those who attribute partners in worship to Almighty God. How intimately close was al-Sa`ud‎’s association with Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab? Robert Lacey eloquently illustrates this association:

Until [Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab’s] coming the Al Sa`ud ‎had been a minor sheikhly clan like many others in Nejd, townsmen and farmers, making a comfortable living from trade, dates and perhaps a little horse-breeding, combining with the desert tribes to raid outwards when they felt strong, prudently retrenching in times of weakness. Modestly independent, they were in no way empire builders, and it is not likely that the wider world would ever have heard of them without their alliance with the Teacher.

The al-Sa`ud are originally from the village of ad-Diriyah, located in Najd, in eastern Arabia situated near modern day Riyadh, the capital of Sa`ud‎i Arabia. Ancestors of Sau’ud Ibn Muhammad, whom little is known about, settled in the area as agriculturists and gradually grew in number over time into the clan of al-Sa`ud ‎.

Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab was raised in Uyainah, an oasis in southern Najd, and was from the Banu Tamim tribe. He came from a religious family and left Uyainah in pursuit of Islamic knowledge. He traveled to Mecca, Medina, Iraq, and Iran to acquire knowledge from different teachers. When he returned to his homeland of Uyainah, he preached what he believed to be Islam in its purity – which was, in fact, a vicious assault on traditional Sunni Islam.

The orthodox Sunni scholar Jamil Effendi al-Zahawi said that the teachers of Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab, including two teachers he had studied with in Medina – Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Sulayman al-Kurdi and Shaykh Muhammad Hayat al-Sindi – became aware of his anti-Sunni Wahhabi creed and warned Muslims from him. His shaykhs, including the two aforementioned shaykhs, used to say: “God will allow him [to] be led astray; but even unhappier will be the lot of those misled by him.”

Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab’s own father had warned Muslims from him, as did his biological brother, Sulayman Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab, an orthodox Sunni scholar who refuted him in a book entitled al-Sawa’iq al-Ilahiyya fi al-radd `ala al-Wahhabiyya [“Divine Lightnings in Refuting the Wahhabis”]. Ibn `Abdul-Wahhab was refuted by the orthodox Sunni scholars for his many ugly innovations. Perhaps his most famous book, Kitab at-Tawheed (Book of Unity of God) is widely circulated amongst Wahhabis worldwide, including the United States. His book is popular in Wahhabi circles, although orthodox Sunni scholars have said that there is nothing scholarly about it, both in terms of its content and its style.


Sunni scholars oppose Wahhabism



Al-Ahsa'i Al-Misri, Ahmad (1753-1826): Unpublished manuscript of a refutation of the Wahhabi sect. His son Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn `Abd al-Latif al-Ahsa'i also wrote a book refuting them.

Al-Ahsa'i, Al-Sayyid `Abd al-Rahman: wrote a sixty-seven verse poem which begins with the verse:

Badat fitnatun kal layli qad ghattatil aafaaqa
wa sha``at fa kadat tublighul gharba wash sharaqa

[A confusion came about like nightfall covering the skies
and became widespread almost reaching the whole world]

Al-`Amrawi, `Abd al-Hayy, and `Abd al-Hakim Murad (Qarawiyyin University, Morocco): Al-tahdhir min al-ightirar bi ma ja'a fi kitab al-hiwar ["Warning Against Being Fooled By the Contents of the Book (by Ibn Mani`) A Debate With al-Maliki (an attack on Ibn `Alawi al-Maliki by a Wahhabi writer)"] (Fes: Qarawiyyin, 1984).

`Ata' Allah al-Makki: al-sarim al-hindi fil `unuq al-najdi ["The Indian Scimitar on the Najdi's Neck"].

Al-Azhari, `Abd Rabbih ibn Sulayman al-Shafi`i (The author of Sharh Jami' al-Usul li ahadith al-Rasul, a basic book of Usul al-Fiqh: Fayd al-Wahhab fi Bayan Ahl al-Haqq wa man dalla `an al-sawab, 4 vols. ["Allah's Outpouring in Differentiating the True Muslims From Those Who Deviated From the Truth"].

Al-`Azzami, `Allama al-shaykh Salama (d. 1379H): Al-Barahin al-sati`at ["The Radiant Proofs..."].

Al-Barakat al-Shafi`i al-Ahmadi al-Makki, `Abd al-Wahhab ibn Ahmad: unpublished manuscript of a refutation of the Wahhabi sect.

al-Bulaqi, Mustafa al-Masri wrote a refutation to San`a'i's poem in which the latter had praised Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab. It is in Samnudi's "Sa`adat al-Darayn" and consists in 126 verses beginning thus:

Bi hamdi wali al-hamdi la al-dhammi astabdi
Wa bil haqqi la bil khalqi lil haqqi astahdi

[By the glory of the Owner of glory, not baseness, do I overcome;
And by Allah, not by creatures, do I seek guidance to Allah]

Al-Buti, Dr. Muhammad Sa`id Ramadan (University of Damascus): Al-Salafiyyatu marhalatun zamaniyyatun mubarakatun la madhhabun islami ["The Salafiyya is a blessed historical period not an Islamic school of law"] (Damascus: Dar al-fikr, 1988); Al-lamadhhabiyya akhtaru bid`atin tuhaddidu al-shari`a al-islamiyya ["Non-madhhabism is the most dangerous innovation presently menacing Islamic law"] (Damascus: Maktabat al-Farabi, n.d.).

Al-Dahesh ibn `Abd Allah, Dr. (Arab University of Morocco), ed. Munazara `ilmiyya bayna `Ali ibn Muhammad al-Sharif wa al-Imam Ahmad ibn Idris fi al-radd `ala Wahhabiyyat Najd, Tihama, wa `Asir ["Scholarly Debate Between the Sharif and Ahmad ibn Idris Against the Wahhabis of Najd, Tihama, and `Asir"].

Dahlan, al-Sayyid Ahmad ibn Zayni (d. 1304/1886). Mufti of Mecca and Shaykh al-Islam (highest religious authority in the Ottoman jurisdiction) for the Hijaz region: al-Durar al-saniyyah fi al-radd ala al-Wahhabiyyah ["The Pure Pearls in Answering the Wahhabis"] pub. Egypt 1319 & 1347 H; Fitnat al-Wahhabiyyah ["The Wahhabi Fitna"]; Khulasat al-Kalam fi bayan Umara' al-Balad al-Haram ["The Summation Concerning the Leaders of the Sacrosanct Country"], a history of the Wahhabi fitna in Najd and the Hijaz.

http://www.islamimehfil.info/FITNATUL-WAHABIYYAH-t2477.html READ FROM HERE

al-Dajwi, Hamd Allah: al-Basa'ir li Munkiri al-tawassul ka amthal Muhd. Ibn `Abdul Wahhab ["The Evident Proofs Against Those Who Deny the Seeking of Intercession Like Muhammad Ibn `Abdul Wahhab"].

Shaykh al-Islam Dawud ibn Sulayman al-Baghdadi al-Hanafi (1815-1881 CE): al-Minha al-Wahbiyya fi radd al-Wahhabiyya ["The Divine Dispensation Concerning the Wahhabi Deviation"]; Ashadd al-Jihad fi Ibtal Da`wa al-Ijtihad ["The Most Violent Jihad in Proving False Those Who Falsely Claim Ijtihad"].

Al-Falani al-Maghribi, al-Muhaddith Salih: authored a large volume collating the answers of scholars of the Four Schools to Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Wahhab.

al-Habibi, Muhammad `Ashiq al-Rahman: `Adhab Allah al-Mujdi li Junun al-Munkir al-Najdi ["Allah's Terrible Punishment for the Mad Rejector From Najd"].

Al-Haddad, al-Sayyid al-`Alawi ibn Ahmad ibn Hasan ibn al-Qutb

Sayyidi `Abd Allah ibn `Alawi al-Haddad al-Shafi`i: al-Sayf al-batir li `unq al-munkir `ala al-akabir ["The Sharp Sword for the Neck of the Assailant of Great Scholars"]. Unpublished manuscript of about 100 folios; Misbah al-anam wa jala' al-zalam fi radd shubah al-bid`i al-najdi al-lati adalla biha al-`awamm ["The Lamp of Mankind and the Illumination of Darkness Concerning the Refutation of the Errors of the Innovator From Najd by Which He Had Misled the Common People"]. Published 1325H.

Al-Hamami al-Misri, Shaykh Mustafa: Ghawth al-`ibad bi bayan al-rashad ["The Helper of Allah's Servants According to the Affirmation of Guidance"].

Al-Hilmi al-Qadiri al-Iskandari, Shaykh Ibrahim: Jalal al-haqq fi kashf ahwal ashrar al-khalq ["The Splendor of Truth in Exposing the Worst of People] (pub. 1355H).

Al-Husayni, `Amili, Muhsin (1865-1952). Kashf al-irtiyab fi atba` Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Wahhab ["The Dispelling of Doubt Concerning the Followers of Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Wahhab"]. [Yemen?]: Maktabat al-Yaman al-Kubra, 198?.

Al-Kabbani, Muhammad Hisham, Encyclopedia of Islamic Doctrine, vol. 1-7, As-Sunnah Foundation of America, 1998.
_____, Islamic Beliefs and Doctrine According to Ahl as-Sunna - A Repudiation of "Salafi" Innovations, ASFA, 1996.
_____, Innovation and True Belief: the Celebration of Mawlid According to the Qur'an and Sunna and the Scholars of Islam, ASFA, 1995.
_____, Salafi Movement Unveiled, ASFA, 1997.

Ibn `Abd al-Latif al-Shafi`i, `Abd Allah: Tajrid sayf al-jihad `ala mudda`i al-ijtihad ["The drawing of the sword of jihad against the false claimants to ijtihad"].

The family of Ibn `Abd al-Razzaq al-Hanbali in Zubara and Bahrayn possess both manuscript and printed refutations by scholars of the Four Schools from Mecca, Madina, al-Ahsa', al-Basra, Baghdad, Aleppo, Yemen and other Islamic regions.

Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab al-Najdi, `Allama al-Shaykh Sulayman, elder brother of Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Wahhab: al-Sawa'iq al-Ilahiyya fi al-radd 'ala al-Wahhabiyya ["Divine Lightnings in Answering the Wahhabis"]. Ed. Ibrahim Muhammad al-Batawi. Cairo: Dar al-insan, 1987. Offset reprint by Waqf Ikhlas, Istanbul: Hakikat Kitabevi, 1994. Prefaces by Shaykh Muhammad ibn Sulayman al-Kurdi al-Shafi`i and Shaykh Muhammad Hayyan al-Sindi (Muhammad Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab's shaykh) to the effect that Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab is "dall mudill" ("misguided and misguiding").

Ibn `Abidin al-Hanafi, al-Sayyid Muhammad Amin: Radd al-muhtar `ala al-durr al-mukhtar, Vol. 3, Kitab al-Iman, Bab al-bughat ["Answer to the Perplexed: A Commentary on "The Chosen Pearl,"" Book of Belief, Chapter on Rebels]. Cairo: Dar al-Tiba`a al-Misriyya, 1272 H.

Ibn `Afaliq al-Hanbali, Muhammad Ibn `Abdul Rahman: Tahakkum al-muqallidin bi man idda`a tajdid al-din [Sarcasm of the muqallids against the false claimants to the Renewal of Religion]. A very comprehensive book refuting the Wahhabi heresy and posting questions which Ibn `Abdul Wahhab and his followers were unable to answer for the most part.

Ibn Dawud al-Hanbali, `Afif al-Din `Abd Allah: as-sawa`iq wa al-ru`ud ["Lightnings and thunder"], a very important book in 20 chapters. According to the Mufti of Yemen Shaykh al-`Alawi ibn Ahmad al-Haddad, the mufti of Yemen, "This book has received the approval of the `ulama of Basra, Baghdad, Aleppo, and Ahsa' [Arabian peninsula]. It was summarized by Muhammad ibn Bashir the qadi of Ra's al-Khayma in Oman."

Ibn Ghalbun al-Libi also wrote a refutation in forty verses of al-San`ani's poem in which the latter had praised Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab. It is in Samnudi's Sa`adat al-darayn and begins thus:

Salami `ala ahlil isabati wal-rushdi
Wa laysa `ala najdi wa man halla fi najdi

[My salutation is upon the people of truth and guidance
And not upon Najd nor the one who settled in Najd]

Ibn Khalifa `Ulyawi al-Azhari: Hadhihi `aqidatu al-salaf wa al-khalaf fi dhat Allahi ta`ala wa sifatihi wa af`alihi wa al-jawab al-sahih li ma waqa`a fihi al-khilaf min al-furu` bayna al-da`in li al-Salafiyya wa atba` al-madhahib al-arba`a al-islamiyya ["This is the doctrine of the Predecessors and the Descendants concerning the divergences in the branches between those who call to al-Salafiyya and the followers of the Four Islamic Schools of Law"] (Damascus: Matba`at Zayd ibn Thabit, 1398/1977.

Kawthari al-Hanafi, Muhammad Zahid. Maqalat al-Kawthari. (Cairo: al-Maktabah al-Azhariyah li al-Turath, 1994).

Al-Kawwash al-Tunisi, `Allama Al-Shaykh Salih: his refutation of the Wahhabi sect is contained in Samnudi's volume: "Sa`adat al-darayn fi al-radd `ala al-firqatayn."

Khazbek, Shaykh Hasan: Al-maqalat al-wafiyyat fi al-radd `ala al-wahhabiyyah ["Complete Treatise in Refuting the Wahhabis"].

Makhluf, Muhammad Hasanayn: Risalat fi hukm al-tawassul bil-anbiya wal-awliya ["Treatise on the Ruling Concerning the Use of Prophets and Saints as Intermediaries"].

Al-Maliki al-Husayni, Al-muhaddith Muhammad al-Hasan ibn `Alawi: Mafahimu yajibu an tusahhah ["Notions that should be corrected"] 4th ed. (Dubai: Hashr ibn Muhammad Dalmuk, 1986); Muhammad al-insanu al-kamil ["Muhammad, the Perfect Human Being"] 3rd ed. (Jeddah: Dar al-Shuruq, 1404/1984).

Al-Mashrifi al-Maliki al-Jaza'iri: Izhar al-`uquq mimman mana`a al-tawassul bil nabi wa al-wali al-saduq ["The Exposure of the Disobedience of Those Who Forbid Using the Intermediary of the Prophets and the Truthful Saints].

Al-Mirghani al-Ta'ifi, `Allama `Abd Allah ibn Ibrahim (d. 1793): Tahrid al-aghbiya' `ala al-Istighatha bil-anbiya' wal-awliya ["The Provocations of the Ignorant Against Seeking the Help of Prophets and Saints"] (Cairo: al-Halabi, 1939).

Mu'in al-Haqq al-Dehlawi (d. 1289): Sayf al-Jabbar al-maslul `ala a`da' al-Abrar ["The Sword of the Almighty Drawn Against the Enemies of the Pure Ones"].

Al-Muwaysi al-Yamani, `Abd Allah ibn `Isa: Unpublished manuscript of a refutation of the Wahhabi sect.

Al-Nabahani al-Shafi`i, al-qadi al-muhaddith Yusuf ibn Isma`il (1850-1932): Shawahid al-Haqq fi al-istighatha bi sayyid al-Khalq (s) ["The Proofs of Truth in the Seeking of the Intercession of the Prophet"].

Al-Qabbani al-Basri al-Shafi`i, Allama Ahmad ibn `Ali: A manuscript treatise in approximately 10 chapters.

Al-Qadumi al-Nabulusi al-Hanbali: `AbdAllah: Rihlat ["Journey"].

Al-Qazwini, Muhammad Hasan, (d. 1825). Al-Barahin al-jaliyyah fi raf` tashkikat al-Wahhabiyah ["The Plain Demonstrations That Dispel the Aspersions of the Wahhabis"]. Ed. Muhammad Munir al-Husayni al-Milani. 1st ed. Beirut: Mu'assasat al-Wafa', 1987.

Al-Qudsi: al-Suyuf al-Siqal fi A`naq man ankara `ala al-awliya ba`d al-intiqal ["The Burnished Swords on the Necks of Those Who Deny the Role of Saints After Their Leaving This World"].

Al-Rifa`i, Yusuf al-Sayyid Hashim, President of the World Union of Islamic Propagation and Information: Adillat Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`at aw al-radd al-muhkam al-mani` `ala munkarat wa shubuhat Ibn Mani` fi tahajjumihi `ala al-sayyid Muhammad `Alawi al-Maliki al-Makki ["The Proofs of the People of the Way of the Prophet and the Muslim Community: or, the Strong and Decisive Refutation of Ibn Mani`'s Aberrations and Aspersions in his Assault on Muhammad `Alawi al-Maliki al-Makki"] (Kuwait: Dar al-siyasa, 1984).

Al-Samnudi al-Mansuri, al-`Allama al-Shaykh Ibrahim: Sa`adat al-darayn fi al-radd `ala al-firqatayn al-wahhabiyya wa muqallidat al-zahiriyyah ["Bliss in the Two Abodes: Refutation of the Two Sects, Wahhabis and Zahiri Followers"].

Al-Saqqaf al-Shafi`i, Hasan ibn `Ali, Islamic Research Intitute, Amman, Jordan: al-Ighatha bi adillat al-istighatha wa al-radd al-mubin `ala munkiri al-tawassul ["The Mercy of Allah in the Proofs of Seeking Intercession and the Clear Answer to Those who Reject it"]; Ilqam al hajar li al-mutatawil `ala al-Asha`ira min al-Bashar ["The Stoning of All Those Who Attack Ash'aris"]; Qamus shata'im al-Albani wa al-alfaz al-munkara al-lati yatluquha fi haqq ulama al-ummah wa fudalai'ha wa ghayrihim... ["Encyclopedia of al-Albani's Abhorrent Expressions Which He Uses Against the Scholars of the Community, its Eminent Men, and Others..."] Amman : Dar al-Imam al-Nawawi, 1993.

Al-Sawi al-Misri: Hashiyat `ala al-jalalayn ["Commentary on the Tafsir of the Two Jalal al-Din"].

Sayf al-Din Ahmed ibn Muhammad: Al-Albani Unveiled: An Exposition of His Errors and Other Important Issues, 2nd ed. (London: s.n., 1994).

Al-Shatti al-Athari al-Hanbali, al-Sayyid Mustafa ibn Ahmad ibn Hasan, Mufti of Syria: al-Nuqul al-shar'iyyah fi al-radd 'ala al-Wahhabiyya ["The Legal Proofs in Answering the Wahhabis"].

Al-Subki, al-hafiz Taqi al-Din (d. 756/1355): Al-durra al-mudiyya fi al-radd `ala Ibn Taymiyya, ed. Muhammad Zahid al-Kawthari ["The Luminous Pearl: A Refutation of Ibn Taymiyya"]; Al-rasa'il al-subkiyya fi al-radd `ala Ibn Taymiyya wa tilmidhihi Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, ed. Kamal al-Hut ["Subki's treatises in Answer to Ibn Taymiyya and his pupil Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya"] (Beirut: `Alam al-Kutub, 1983); Al-sayf al-saqil fi al-radd `ala Ibn Zafil ["The Burnished Sword in Refuting Ibn Zafil (Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya)" Cairo: Matba`at al-Sa`ada, 1937; Shifa' al-siqam fi ziyarat khayr al-anam ["The healing of the sick in visiting the Best of Creation"].

Sunbul al-Hanafi al-Ta'ifi, Allama Tahir: Sima al-Intisar lil awliya' al-abrar ["The Mark of Victory Belongs to Allah's Pure Friends"].

Al-Tabataba'i al-Basri, al-Sayyid: also wrote a reply to San`a'i's poem which was excerpted in Samnudi's Sa`adat al-Darayn. After reading it, San`a'i reversed his position and said: "I have repented from what I said concerning the Najdi."

Al-Tamimi al-Maliki, `Allama Isma`il (d. 1248), Shaykh al-Islam in Tunis: wrote a refutation of a treatise of Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab.

Al-Wazzani, al-Shaykh al-Mahdi, Mufti of Fes, Morocco: Wrote a refutation of Muhammad `Abduh's prohibition of tawassul.

al-Zahawi al-Baghdadi, Jamil Effendi Sidqi (d. 1355/1936): al-Fajr al-Sadiq fi al-radd 'ala munkiri al-tawassul wa al-khawariq ["The True Dawn in Refuting Those Who Deny the Seeking of Intercession and the Miracles of Saints"] Pub. 1323/1905 in Egypt.

Al-Zamzami al-Shafi`i, Muhammad Salih, Imam of the Maqam Ibrahim in Mecca, wrote a book in 20 chapters against them according to al-Sayyid al-Haddad.

Ahmad, Qeyamuddin. The Wahhabi movement in India. 2nd rev. ed. New Delhi : Manohar, 1994.

حضرت سواد بن قارب رضی اللہ تعالی عنہ کا قصیدہ


فاشھد ان اللہ لا شیئ غیرہ
و انک مامون علی کل غائب
و انک ادنی المرسلین شفاعۃ
الی اللہ یا ابن الاکرمین الاطائب
فکن لی شفیعا یوم لا ذو شفاعۃ
سواک بمغن عن سواد بن قارب


#9 Jad Dul Mukhtar

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 05:10 AM

NOMAN SAHIB UB KYA KHAYAL HAI IN ULLAMA E ARAB KAY BARAY MAIN OR IBN ABDUL WAHAB NAHDI KAY BARAY BHAI SHEIKH SULEYMAN IBN ABDUL WAHAB JINHOONAY WAHBISSIM OR UN KAY AQAID KA RAD KYA.

KYA YE SUB BHI BRELVI HAIN, KAHAN GAYA APP KA 100% PERCENT KA DAWAH NAJDIAT KA.

HO SAKATAY TO SHEIKH AL-SAYYED YOUSUF HASHIM RAFAI KAY NOTES BHI PARH LAYNA JO APP NAY ULLAMA E NAJD KO LIKHAY THAY

Nasiha li-Ikhwanina `Ulama' Najd

ADVICE TO OUR BROTHERS THE SCHOLARS OF NAJD

TRANSLATED BY Dr. G.F. Haddad

حضرت سواد بن قارب رضی اللہ تعالی عنہ کا قصیدہ


فاشھد ان اللہ لا شیئ غیرہ
و انک مامون علی کل غائب
و انک ادنی المرسلین شفاعۃ
الی اللہ یا ابن الاکرمین الاطائب
فکن لی شفیعا یوم لا ذو شفاعۃ
سواک بمغن عن سواد بن قارب


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Posted 23 May 2008 - 06:34 PM

Ap ney shayad attachment sahi sey read nahi ki,ye bohat asan or sada lafzon main likhi hoi hai,key jab ek taraf ye kaha jata hai key humarey ye aqeedey drust hain or humarey ye Aqeedey Quraan Pak ki mukhtalif Ayat sey sabit hotey hain,or phir log barey barey Burugan-e-Deen key Hawaley detey hain,

Or jab dosri taraf sawal kia jata hai to udher bhi ye hi soorat-e-Haal hoti hai.

Ab ye faisla kesey ho?



Aapko Main Allama Kaukab Norani Sahib Key Bayan ka Link Deta Hoon Ager Aap Sun Lein Sidq-e-Dil Key Sath Aur Aapki Niyat Ikhtilaf Ki Nhin Waqayi Haqaiq Ko Jan'ney ki Hai key Dono Taraf Sey Quran-o-Hadees Pesh Kiya Jata Hai Kaun sahi Hai Aur Kaun Ghalat? Tu Aap Is Bayan Sey Haqaiq Jan Jayen Gey...

Ahle Sunnat Ka Aqeedah Aur Sahaba-e-Karam
Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 - Part 4



Ager Aap Bayan Sun Lein Tanqeedi Nazer Ki Bajaye Islah Ki Niyyat Sey Tu Aapka Yeh Masala Hal Ho Jaye Ga key Sahaba Karam (Alehim Ridwan) Ka Jo Aqeedah Hai Woh Kaun Ker Raha Hai Aur Kaun Is Key Against Hai...






Assalam-o-Alikum,

Dost hum ney jo sawal pesh kia hai ye sawalat humarey pas pichhley 02 saal sey hain,ye ek book hai jis ka naam “Andhery sey Roshni Tak hai” jis ka link ye hai:

http://picasaweb.google.com/roshnikasafer/AndhereySeyRoshniTak



yaha poori book mojood hai, hum ney ye book 4 dafa Shah Tarubul Haq Qadri sahib ,03 Dafa Tahir Ul Qadri Sahib or ek dafa Molana Kokab Okarvi sahib ko bhejwa chukey hain,

or bohat sarey Ulma ehley Sunnat ko bhi bhej chukey hain,or taqreban 500 sey ziada nett friend jis main Pakistan key Alawa bohat sery dosrey country key log bhi shamil hain,

internet per

http://nooremadinah.net(yaha Suleman Subhani admin hain in sey in sawalat key barey main pooch saktey hain inhon ney or bohat sarey doston ney challenge kia tha key jawbat dain gey mager sirif 05 days baad forum band kardi and 10 din baad jab forum open ki to ye sawalat delet kerdiey they)

http://yanabi.com( yaha bhi admin sey pooch saktey hain}

http://ashraf786.com (yaha sister Nomee admin hain ap un sey pooch saktey hain)



bataney ka maqsad ye hai key ap ney sawal ka jawab nahi dia balkey ek alag baat shoro kerdi.

Hum ye nahi kahtey key in sawalat ka jawab Ehley Sunnat key pas nahi hai hosakta hai key waqat ki kami ki waja sey ya ye book un tak na pohanchney ki waja sey Ulama Ehley Sunnat jawab na dey sakey hoon.

Ager ap samjhtey hain key Molana Kokab Okarvi in sawalat ka jawab dey saktey hain to pl sap bhi koshish kijiey.

Or rahi baat Molana Kokab Okarvi ki Speech sunney ka, to dost hum ney kafi book read ki hain,jis main qabil-e-Zikar Jaa Ul Haq bhi hai ap jo bhi kehna chahtey hain wo hum bohat sarey Ulma Ehley Sunnat ki books main eprh chukey hain, uskey baad hi ye sawalat pesh kiey hain kio key Is sawalat main essi bohat sari baton key jawabat bhi shamil hain age rap dehan sey perhain gey.

Ap Itmenan sey tassali sey sirif 06 pages hain ap perhain or samjhain key kahney wala kia kahna chah raha hai phir is key jawab key liyain koshish karain.




Ager ap ye kahtey hain key poori dunia main Brelvi Aqaid walon ki aksaryat hai. To ye sochain key ye jo Ikhtalafat jo Pakistan or India main nazar aatey hain essay hi Ikhtalafat sari dunia main nazar aaney chahiey?
Hum ney Malaysia dekha hai waha 100% Saudi Ulama ko follow kertey hain,

Or bhi bohat sarey Islami dunia key log taqreeban 100% wohi Aqeedey follow kertey hain,




Aapki Malomat Tu Kafi Naqis Hain.. Aap Ney Taqreeban Dunya Ko Ghair Muqalid Bana Diya Jinki Aksriyat Pakistan Mein Nazer Nhin Aati.. Hamarey City Mein Ghair Muqalideen Ki Gini Chuni 2/3 Masajid Hain... Agerchey City itna Bara Nhin Mager AhleSunnat Barelavi Aur Deobandis Ki Masajid Dekhi Jayen Tu Hazaroon Mein Hain..

Aur Ager Aapki Muraad Taqreeban Dunya Sey Hanbali Maslak hai (Kiyon Key Saudis Bhi Ba Zahir Apney Aap Ko Hanabli Show Kertey Hain) Tu Malaysia Mein Hanabali Fiqh key Follower Zyada Zaror Hongey Phir Bhi Aapki Malomat Naqis Ho Gayeen Key Pori Dunya Mein Hanafi Zyada Hain... Aur Hanabali Tu Sunni Hotey Hain... Kabhi Aap Ney Un Hanabiliyon ko Test Bhi Kiya Key Woh Shirk-o-Biddat Key Fatwey Bhi Laga Rahey They Saudis Naam Key Hanbaliyon Aur Haqeeqat Ghair Muqalidoon Ki Terha?







Ap ney sahi kaha humari maaloomat to naqis hain hi,mager hum ney apna nazar wazeh kia tha key ager poodri Dunia main Ehley Sunnat key Aqaid ko dekhna chahey to ap 2 hisson main taqseem kar saktey hain,

Jin main ek taraf Barailvi Ulama hain or dosri taraf Ulama Saudia, Ulama Deobandi, Ulma Ehley Hadees.

Ap ye bat kio nahi samjh pa rahy key jab her koi apney aqeedey Quraan or Hadees sey sabit kertey hain to ghalat kon hain?

Apkey Khayl main 4 mashhoor Imam hain un main Barilvi Abu Hanifa key manney waley hain,

To baqi Imam key manney waley apkey khayl main sab ghalat hain or sab log Wahabiat per amal ker rahy hain or Hatta key Imam Abu Hanifa Rehmatullah Alihey hi key Manney waley dewbandi bhi ghalat hain?

Or ap key khayl main ager essa nahi hain to ye baat kio nahi samjh pa rahy key ye barailvi Aqaid poori Islami dunia key bohat sarey country main kio nazar nahi aatey siwaey India or Pakistan key key kuchh log Barailvi Aqaid per amal kertey or kuch log Wahabiat aqaid per amal kertey ?

Kia aap bata saktey hain dunia key kon sey country hain jaha Barailvi aqeedon key mutabiq amal kia jata hai?

Matlab ye key Eid Milad Un Nabi Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key jalsey jaloos or bohat bohat srey essay aqeedey jo Pakistan or India main nazar atey hain?









ager ap kehtey hain key hum ghalat kahtey hain to ye batain key Barelvi Ulama ye kahtey hain key Saudi Ulma key peechhey Namaz nahi hoti,

Ager ap kabhi Haj per gaey hoon ya kisi esey sahib jo kabhi Haj per gaey hoon un sey poochain key taqreeban 60 lakh Musalman hotey hain dunia bher key,

mager sirif chand 100 Baraelvi Musalman hotey hain jo Saudi Ulma key peechey Namaz nahi perhty.

To ap ye batain ya to sarey Muslaman barailvi Aqaid key nahi hain ya phir ager ap key hi mutabiq un main sey ziada tar Barailvi Aqaid key log hain to ager wo Muslaman Saudi Ulma key peechhey Namaz perhtey hain to is tareeqey sey un ki Namaz nahi hoti or ager Namaz nahi hoti to un ka Haj kesey hosakta hai?

Is ka matlab ye nahi hua key poori dunia key Musalmano key Haj nahi horahey ager ap key Mutabiq poori dunia key Musalman Barailvi Aqeedey key hain?




Iska Jawab Aapko
Yahan Sey Tafseeli Mil Jaye Ga... Key Jo Inkey Aqaid Sey Waqif Ho Ker Inkey Pechay Namaz Perhtey Hain Unki Tu Nhin Hoti Aur Jinko Pata Hi nhin tu Allah Ki Rahmat Sey Umeed Hai Woh Unki Namazon Ko Zaya Nhin Kerey Ga.. Tafseel Oper Link Mein Mulahiza Hoo... Hamarey Maslak Key Intihayi Motabar Aalim Imam Ahmad Saeed Kazmi (Aleh rahma) Ka Fatwa Mojod Hai...

Rahi yeh Baat Key Hajj Kesay Hoga?? Tu Ager Aapko Hajj Key Arakeen Ka Pata Hota Tu Aap Yeh Baat Na Kertey...  Ilm Ki Kami Ki Wajah Sey Awam is Suwal Per Dhoka Kha Jati Hai... Hajj Imam-e-Kaba Key Pechay Namaz Perhney Na Perhney Per Moqof Nhin Hota... Iski Tafseeli bhi Oper Link Sey Mil Jaye Gi...


Sirif chand 100 log hotey hain jin ko pata hai baqi sari dunia key 60 lakh logon ko is raaz ka pata nahi hai ?or ye aaj kal ki bat to nahi hai taqreeban 400 saal sey wahabiat shoro hoi thi to itney time baad bhi poori dunia key Musalman abhi tak is RAAZ ka pata nahi chala sakey key Saudi Ulama Allah or Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key Dushman hain?sirif Pakistan or India key Barailvi Ulama hi is RAAZ ka pata laga sakey hain ?



Ap ye kahna chahtey hain key Wabai Allah Taala or Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key toheen key murtakib hain?

Yani Allah Taala or Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key Dushman hain?

To is ka matlab ye hua key wo Musalman hi nahi ? Jo Allah Taala or Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ka dushman ho wo musalman kesey hosakta hai ?

To is ka matlab ye hua key Allah Taala ney apna markazi gher or apney piyarey Habib Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ko apney sab sey barey dushmano ki nizamat main dia hua hai ?

Humari maaloomat to intehai naqis hain kia aap bata saktey hain key Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key dor-e-Mubarak sey ley ker aaj tak taqreeban 1400 saal key arsey main wok on sad or tha jab Khana-e-Kaaba per or Masjid –e-Nabvi Sallaho Alihey Wassalam per kisi Kafir ney itney taveel arsey tak qabza kia ho ?

Kia apko pata hai key Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ney Khana-e-Kaaba ki chabian Uman bin Talaha ko di thin or kaha tha key ye chabian Qayamat tak tumahir naslon key pas rahain gi.

Kia (Maaz Allah) Allah Taala ye bat nahi janta tha key 2008 main ye nasal ja ker Wahabi hojai gi ?

Or ager janta tha to Allah ney Usman bin Talaha ko Khana-e-Kaaba ki chabion key liyain kio chuna ?




Pls yaha khana-e-Kaaba main 360 buut wali or Bati Ul Muqdas ki missal na dijiey ga.

Is ka jawab tafseelk sey us book main likha hai .

Mukhtasaran hum apko bata deytey hain key Allah Taala ney Khana-e-Kaaba ki hifazat ka zimma lia hua hai.

Jis ki bohat sari missal apko tareekh main mil jain gi.

Ek dafa Yazeed ney Khan-e-Kaaba ki chabian Uman Bin Talaha ki nasal sey chheen lit hi mager Khana-e-Kaaba ka darwaza locked hogaya tha.

Kai missal hain age rap kahin gey to hum dain dey gey.



Mager in sawalat ka jawab baad main dijiey ga mager pehley ap jo sawal ki attachment hai uska jawab deyney ki koshish kijiey.




Woh Hain Wahabiyon Ki Gustkhana Ibaraat.. Jis Mein Wahabiyon Ney Allah Aur Sarkar Ki Shaan Mein Gustakhi Ki Hai... Ager Un Per Aapko Malomat Chahyen Tu Aapko Isi Forum Key Munazra Section Sey Kayi Topics Mil Saktey Hain.. Woh Asal Ikhtilafat Hain Jinko Hum Aaqa Ki Gustakhi Mantey Hain (Aur Hain Bhi Sahi) Mager Wahabi Un kufryaat KI Taveelein Kertey Hain... Ager Aap Is Per Tafseel Sey Discussion Kerna Chahein Tu InshaAllah Hum Hazir Hain...


Hum Jaa Ul Haq Kafi tafseel sey perhchukey hain,

Masla to ye hi hai Barailvi ye kahtey hain, balkey ek nahi sarey Ulma Ehley Sunnat apni allag alag books main taqreeban ek hi tarha key eitrazat deytey hain,

Mager issi tarha Dewbandi Ulama is ki tardeed kartey hain,

Ab ye faisla kesey ho key kis ka kahna sahi hai kis ka kahna ghalat hai ?



Ye jo ooper ap ney Buzrug Hastion key Naam Mubarak diey hain ap ager tareekh utha ker perhain to in Buzurgan-e-Deen key Ikhtalfat itney barey nahi they,



Bilkul 13hveen Sadi Sey Pehley Itney Nhin they... Yeh Jo Fitna Utha.. Iski Khabar Aaj Sey 1400 Saal Pehley Hi Dey Di Gayi Thi... Hadees-e-Najd Shayed Aap Ney Suni Hogi... IM Key Munazra Section Mein Is Hadees Najd Ko Aik Ghair Muqalid Ney Iraq Ki Taraf Sabit Kerna Chaha... Mager Baad Mein Woh Khud Phans Gaye Aur Reply Kerna Chor Diya.. Hum Inteezar Mein Hain Key Koi Wahabi Aaker Is Sahi Hadees Ko Iraq per Sabit Ker Key Apney Abdul Wahhab Najdi Ko Bacha Ley...

Aur Aap Ager Jan'na Chahtey Hain Key Bazurgan-e-Deen Ka Key Kiya Aqaid They Tu Isi Forum Per Aapko Kayi Topics Mil Jayen Gey... Ager Aap Kahain Tu Aapki Aasani Key Liye Links Bhi Diye Ja Saktey Hain... Aur Recently Aik Book IslamiEducation.com Per Mojod Hai Merey Nick Name Mein Uska Title Image Mojod Hai... Siraj-ul-Hind Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz Muhadis Dehalvi (Aleh Rahma) ... Iska Muta'aliya Kerein... Yeh Wahabi deobandi Aur Wahabi Ghair Muqalid Dono Key Nazdeek Motabar Mohadis Hain... Aap Sirf Inkey Aqaid Perh Lein Bama Hawalajat... Phir InshaAllah Aapko baqi Bhi pesh Kerein Gey Ager Aapko Zarorat Hoon Tu...



Mery Aziz Dost sara masla hi ye hai key ager ap kissi bhi Buzrugan-e-Deen key hawaly dain gey to ye hi to asal masla hai,(Khuda nakhusta ap ye na samjhiey ga key Buzrugan-e-Deen ki books key mutaliq kah rahy hain ap aagey wazahat mojood hai wo perh lain phi rap samjhin gey hum kia kahna chahtey hain)

Ager waqai dunia itni seedhi sadhi hoti to shayad aaj dunia main itney mazahib nazar nahi aatey.

Is ki bohat sari missal hain,

Ap Buzrugan-e-Deen ki books ki bat karty hain yaha to logon ney Asmani books ko bhi nahi chhora or Yahoodion ney or Essaiyon ney apni asmani books main tabdilain ki or logon ko sachai tak nahi pohanchney dia. Humari tarha hi wo log bhi insan they. Mager aaj ap dekh saktey hain aaj asal Aasmani books humarey darmiyan nahi hain. Ager kisi Buzrug Hasti sey mansoob book ko hum ye samjh lian key kio key ye book Muqadas Hasti sey Mansoob hai to bilkul sahi hogi to phir ye bat bhi samney aaey gi key bible main jo chiristen Hazrat Essa Alihey Assalam key ehkamat pesh kartey hain to wo bhi humain manna chahiey kio key wo to Hazrat Essa Alihey Assalam key ehkamat hain?

Mager ye humain Allah Taala ney Quraan Pak (jis ko qayamat tak mehfooz rakhney ka waada Allah Taala ney kia hai) main Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key Zaryey pegham dia hai kia such hai kia ghalat hai?

Or ye silsila waha khatam nahi hua balkey ap dekh saktey hain key Shia Hazrat bhi bohat sarey apney Aqaid ko sahi sabit kerney key liyain essi mohtaram Hastion ki books or un key hawaley deytey hain jo na sirif Shia Hazrat key liyain Mohtaram hain balkey Ehley Sunnat key liyain bhi mohtaram hain.

Kia in Shia Hazrat ki books main diey hoey Mohtaram Hastion key hawalon key mutabiq humain Shia Hazrat key Aqeedey ko bhi qabool kerna chahiey ? kio key ye batain Shia Hazrat key mutabiq Muqadas Hastion key irshadat hain or ye Muqadas Hastiyan humarey liyain bhi intehai qabil-e-Ehtaram hain.

Sirif ek book hai jo humara eman hai key Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key dor-e-Mubarak sey ley ker aaj tak bagher kisi zair-o-zabar ki ghalti key aaj bhi na sirif humarey pas balkey sari dunia main mojood hai jo key Allah Taala ka ek moijza hai.

Issi liyain hi ye sawalat ki attachment apkey pas hai key jab sarey log mukhtalif Buzrugan-e-Deen ki books key hawalon sey or ek hi Quraan Pak or sab key pas ek hi Ahadees Pak key Hawalon sey apney Aqaid ko durust sabit karay or Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak wo Buzrugan-e-Deen key hawaley sab key liayin qabil-e-ehtaram hoon to phir such or ghalat ka faisla kesey ho? is ko in sari baton ko zehan main rakh ker perhain or sochain phir jawabat inyat farmaey .

Umeed hai key ab apko humara nuqta-e-nazar poori tarha wazeh hogaya hoga.

Humain ap key jawab ka intezar rahy ga.






itni lambi tafseel sey likhey ka maqsad hi ye hai key hum un sawalat ka jawab talash kar sakey jo humain confuz kartey hain.ye humari koshishi hai.kio key hum kisi per bhi undha dhund taqleed key qaail nahi hain,hum samjhtey hain key zid kerna shitan ka amal hai or apney dil main gunjaish rakhni chahiey takey kisi dosrey ki bat bhi sun or samjh sakain.Hum humesha Allah sey dua kerty hain key Allah Taala humain Hidayat ata farmey Ameen.



Ager Koi Bandah Ghair Janibdar Ho Ker Haq Ki Talash kerey Aur Uski History Per Bhi Nazer Hoo Tu InshaAllah Ussey Haq Jan'ney Mein Mushqil Nhin Hogi... Hamarey Kuch Dost Hain Jinho Ney Waqayi Ghair Janibdar Ho Ker Mukhtalif Firqoon Ka Muta'aliya Kiya... Aaj Woh Ahle Sunnat Barelavi Maslak Per Hain... Aur Lafz Barelavi Key Barey Mein Saif ul Islam Bhayi Aapko bata Chukey Hain Key Yeh koi Naya Firqa Nhin Hai... Chonkey Humein Aisa Kaha Jata Hai Aur Aik Wali Kamil Sey Nisbat Ho Rahi Hai Is Liye Humein Apney Aapko Barelavi Kehtey Howey Koi Chirh Bhi Nhin Hai... Mager Hamarey Aqaid Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat Waley Hain... Ager Aap Is Baat Per Discussion Kerna Chahein Tu Hum Aapko Hawalajat Sey Proof Ker Saktey Hain...





Mager humarey Aziz dost humrey dada bhi Baravi maslak sey taaluq rakhtey they mager jab dosrey Ulama ki batain perhi or suni or samjhi to humarey khandan ney apney khayalat badal liey or aaj in hi sawalat ko ley ker apkey samney hazir hain.



Hum apney asal sawal key jawab key muntazir hain jo attachment main mojood hai.



Duaon key talabgar



Nasir Noman

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 08:18 PM

Nasir Noman Sahib...
Aapki Post Mukamal Perhi Hai... Aapka Nuqta-e-Nazer Samajh Mien Aachuka Hai.. Aur Alhamdu Lilah Aapki Her Baat Ka Jawab Mojod Hai Mager Is Terha Baat Faisley Tak Nhin Pohnch Sakti.. Kiyon Key Yoon Samjhye Aap Ki Post Aik Taveel Aetarazat Ka Majmo'aa Hai...

Aur Ager Is Terha Hum Jawab Detey Rahey key Saudiya Mein Kis Ki Hakomat Thi.. Tareekh Kiya Kehti Hai.. Milad Kaun Manata Tha Ya Nhin.. In Cheezon Ki Shar'ee Hesiyat Kiya Hai.. Inko Biddat Kab Sey Kehna Shurow Kiya Gaya... Jin Baton Ko Deobandi Wahabi Kufryaat Nhin Kehtey Aur Hum Kehtey Hain Unka Saboot issi Topic Mein Pesh Kerna Shurow Ker Dein...

Tu Aap Khud Samajh Saktey Hain yeh Aik La Yani Behs Ho Jaye Gi.. Kiyon Key Yeh Baat Tu Aap Khud Keh Chukey Key Ikhtilafat Buhut Zyada Ho Chukey Hain.. Tu Itney Ikhtilafat Ki Clarification Ai Topic Mein Kerna Aur Phir Apney Maslak AhleSunnat Barelavi Ko Sahi Sabit Kerna.. Yeh Possible Hai Mager Aap Khud Samajh Saktey Hain Key Kuch Faida Nhin Rahey Ga... Aap Hamari Konsi Baat Ka Jawab Dein Gey... Arab Per Hakomat? Ya Kufryaat? Ya Milad wa Giyarhveen? Ya Dunya Mein Kaun Sey Masalik Hain Aur Kaun Thek Hai?

Tu Aik Topic Mein Is Besh Ka Faida Nhin... Aap Ney Likha...

Masla to ye hi hai Barailvi ye kahtey hain, balkey ek nahi sarey Ulma Ehley Sunnat apni allag alag books main taqreeban ek hi tarha key eitrazat deytey hain,

Mager issi tarha Dewbandi Ulama is ki tardeed kartey hain,

Ab ye faisla kesey ho key kis ka kahna sahi hai kis ka kahna ghalat hai ?


Aap Ney Ja-Al Haq Perhi.. Mager Phir Bhi Aapko Deobandis Ki Ibaraat Kufr Nhin Lageen....

Aayen Pehley Isi Bat Per Discuss Ker Letey Hain... Hum Aqali Aur Naqli Dalail Sey Unko Gustakhi Sabit Kerney Key Liye Tayyar Hain... Aur Chalein Aapko Ulema-e-Deoband Hi Sey Un Ibaraat ko Gustakhi Sabit Ker Dein Gey...

Chonkey Gustakhi Aik Aisa Masala Hai Jis Per Eman-o-Kufr ka Dar-o-Madar Hai.. Is Liye Yeh Masala Clear Ho Jaye Tu I Think Baqi Ikhtilafat Khud Hi Clear Ho jayen Gey.. Key Asal Masala Yahi Hai...

Is Key Baad Ager Aap Un Per Baat Kerna Chahein tu Bhi Hum Tayyar Hain... Mager Different Topics Mein... Aapki Book Aur Aapki Baat (Zameen-o-Aasman Ka Farq kiyon Hai) Ko Aik Topic Mein Clear Kerney Sey Koi Faida Nazer Nhin Aaraha...

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 09:31 PM

NOMAN SAHIB APP POORI POST PARHTAY NAHI HAIN. APP NAY MERI POST KO HAZAM HI KAR LIA. WAHABIOON KO SIRF INDIA PAKISTAN KAY BRELVI ULLAMA NAY KAFIR O GUMRAH KAHA HAI TO FIR JO UPPER MERI POST MAIN 56 ULLAMA NAY JO WAHABIOON KA RAD KIA HAI KYA IN KO BHI APP BRELVI ULLAMA MANTAY HAIN. ISS KA JAWAB APP PER UDDAR RAHA YE APP NAY DENA HAI.

JUB TAK IN ULLAMA KAY BARAY MAIN APP FAISLA NAHI KARTAY AGAY HUM NA BARHAIN GAY. IN HI ULLAMA MAIN WAHABIAT KA BANI IBN ABDUL WAHAB NAJDI KA BARA BHAI SHEIKH SULYEMAN IBN ABDUL WAHAB BHI HAIN JINHOON NAY ISS KAY KHILAF LIKHA HAI YANI WAHABIAT KA RAD LIKH HAI.

RAHI BAAT KIN KIN COUNTRIES MAIN BRELVI AQAID KAY MANNAY WALAY HAIN. OR KAHAN KAHAN MILAAD MANAYE JATI HAI, TO ISS KAY BOHAT SAY SABOOT HAIN AIK SABOOT TO APP KAY GHAR YANI WAHABIOON NAY HI DE DIA HAI.

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حضرت سواد بن قارب رضی اللہ تعالی عنہ کا قصیدہ


فاشھد ان اللہ لا شیئ غیرہ
و انک مامون علی کل غائب
و انک ادنی المرسلین شفاعۃ
الی اللہ یا ابن الاکرمین الاطائب
فکن لی شفیعا یوم لا ذو شفاعۃ
سواک بمغن عن سواد بن قارب


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Posted 23 May 2008 - 09:42 PM

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:blush: Sajjad bhai in sahab se guftgu shuru karny se pehly poochy ki

1. Ye sahab kis maslak ke hain or kya wo maslak naji hai ?
2. Inky nazdeek baki firqy kyu nari hain kyu batil hain ?
3. Ya ye sahab sary firqo ko naji samjhty hain kya inky nazdeek sabhi firqy haq par hain?

Quran or Hadees ki roshni me jis sawal ka bhi chay jawab de dein....

Inhy tafseeli post kanry ka bara showk lagta hai to barahy meherbani insy pehly kuch jawabat le lein to baat aagy barhany ko kuch fayeda bhi ho...baki rahi barelwiyat ko haq par or baki ko batil sabit karny ki baat to wo poori forum dekhy gi ki Ja-Alhaq....... bhagny walon me ek naam or shamil hony ko hai...or tha bhi wo unhi me shamil hony wala..... :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 11:06 PM

Jee Asif Bhayi.. Achey Suwalat Kiye Aap Ney...

Nasir Noman Sahib... Aap Apna Aqeedah Ager Clear Ker Dein.. Maslan Aap Muqalid Hain ya Ghair Muqalid... Aur Muqalid Hain Tu Kis Key... Aur Aap Ikhtilafat Ko Khatam Kerna Chahtey Hain Tu Aap Sab Ko Sahi Mantey Hain (Barelavi, Deobandi, Ghair Muqalid) ? Ya Kisi Khas Tabqa-e-Fikr Sey Aapka Ta'aluq Hai...?

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 02:54 PM

Jee Asif Bhayi.. Achey Suwalat Kiye Aap Ney...

Nasir Noman Sahib... Aap Apna Aqeedah Ager Clear Ker Dein.. Maslan Aap Muqalid Hain ya Ghair Muqalid... Aur Muqalid Hain Tu Kis Key... Aur Aap Ikhtilafat Ko Khatam Kerna Chahtey Hain Tu Aap Sab Ko Sahi Mantey Hain (Barelavi, Deobandi, Ghair Muqalid) ? Ya Kisi Khas Tabqa-e-Fikr Sey Aapka Ta'aluq Hai...?


Assalam-o-Alikum,

hum kisi bhi khas firqey sey taaluq nahi rakhtey,hum sirif ek Musalman hain,


hum kisi key peechhey undha dhund taqleed key qail nahi hain.kio key Allah Taala ko humara Taqwa pohanchta hai.
or hum sari MAsjid main namaz perhleytey hain,balkey aksar Namaz-e-Jumma Shah Tarab Ul Haq sahib ki Masjid main hoti hai.












Ye sahab kis maslak ke hain or kya wo maslak naji hai ?
2. Inky nazdeek baki firqy kyu nari hain kyu batil hain ?
3. Ya ye sahab sary firqo ko naji samjhty hain kya inky nazdeek sabhi firqy haq par hain?

Quran or Hadees ki roshni me jis sawal ka bhi chay jawab de dein....





Assalam-o-Alikum,



Hum ney essa kuch nahi kaha key humarey lehaz sey siwaey wahabi key sab Nari hain.

Hum jo aqeedey sahi or ghalat ki behas ker rahy hain is ki ek khas waja hai,wo hum aakhir mian batain gey.,

Or age rap janna chahtey hain wo kia waja hai to hum ek link bhej rahy hain is par click kary or page no 15 sey page no 28 tak arama or tassali sey parhain phir apko samjh aey ga key hum kio ye aqeedey ki behas ker rhy hain.



Link ye hai:

http://picasaweb.google.com/roshnikasafer/AndhereySeyRoshniTak



or rahi bat Quraan or Hadees main sawalat key jawabat ka to marey aziz dost hum kafi dafa ye samjha chukey hain jab sarey log Quraan or Ahadees.sey apney Aqaid drust sabit karty hoon to phi rap ye faisla kesey kary gey ?

ap ye hi kahian gey na key is Ayat ka tarjuma ye nahi hai jo ap bata rahy hain?

Is key liyain apko humari attachment key sirif 06 page perhain gey to apko ye bat samjh ajaey gi key kia is main mushkilat hain?









NOMAN SAHIB APP POORI POST PARHTAY NAHI HAIN. APP NAY MERI POST KO HAZAM HI KAR LIA. WAHABIOON KO SIRF INDIA PAKISTAN KAY BRELVI ULLAMA NAY KAFIR O GUMRAH KAHA HAI TO FIR JO UPPER MERI POST MAIN 56 ULLAMA NAY JO WAHABIOON KA RAD KIA HAI KYA IN KO BHI APP BRELVI ULLAMA MANTAY HAIN. ISS KA JAWAB APP PER UDDAR RAHA YE APP NAY DENA HAI.

JUB TAK IN ULLAMA KAY BARAY MAIN APP FAISLA NAHI KARTAY AGAY HUM NA BARHAIN GAY. IN HI ULLAMA MAIN WAHABIAT KA BANI IBN ABDUL WAHAB NAJDI KA BARA BHAI SHEIKH SULYEMAN IBN ABDUL WAHAB BHI HAIN JINHOON NAY ISS KAY KHILAF LIKHA HAI YANI WAHABIAT KA RAD LIKH HAI.





Dost ager ap humara jawab tafseel sey perhain gey to apko ye samjh aey ga key hum ney kaha key Ikhtalafat her jaga hain Saudia main bhi hain.mager essay nahi hain jesey India or Pakistan main hain.



Ap ney jin Ulama –e-Kiram key Naam diey hain ager wo sab bhi barailvi aqaid ki tarha Saudi Ulma ko Kafir qarar deytey hain to in country key log ya in Ulama-e-Kiram ko manney waley kio Saudi Ulama key peechey Namaz perhtey hain ?

Hum ney pichli post main likha tha :



Sirif chand 100 log hotey hain jin ko pata hai baqi sari dunia key 60 lakh logon ko is raaz ka pata nahi hai ?or ye aaj kal ki bat to nahi hai taqreeban 400 saal sey wahabiat shoro hoi thi to itney time baad bhi poori dunia key Musalman abhi tak is RAAZ ka pata nahi chala sakey key Saudi Ulama Allah or Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key Dushman hain?sirif Pakistan or India key Barailvi Ulama hi is RAAZ ka pata laga sakey hain ?



RAHI BAAT KIN KIN COUNTRIES MAIN BRELVI AQAID KAY MANNAY WALAY HAIN. OR KAHAN KAHAN MILAAD MANAYE JATI HAI, TO ISS KAY BOHAT SAY SABOOT HAIN AIK SABOOT TO APP KAY GHAR YANI WAHABIOON NAY HI DE DIA HAI.







Bhai ap ney jo Lebia ka hawala dia hai,us main to khud likha hai Lebia key Islam key barey main?

Dosri bat Seerat-un-Nabi Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ki confarnce to Pakistan or India or bohat sarey country main bhi ki jati hain.jo wahabiat (dewbandi)sey taaluq rakhney waley bhi kerty hain.



Mager ap shayad sawal samjh nahi pa rahy.

Jesey Jaloos ap yaha Pakistan main dekhetey hain.

Jesey gher gher Jhundey lagey jatey hain.

Jesey Naat khuani ki mehfil hoti hain.

Jesey Pakistan or India mian Mazarat per jo kuchh hota hai.

Jesey Pakistan or India main Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ko Hazir Nazir Mana Jata hai.



Kia aap essi bohat sarey aqaid key sabot dekha saktey hain key Pakistan or India key alawa kin country main ye sab kuchh hota hai ?

Nasir Noman Sahib...
Aapki Post Mukamal Perhi Hai... Aapka Nuqta-e-Nazer Samajh Mien Aachuka Hai.. Aur Alhamdu Lilah Aapki Her Baat Ka Jawab Mojod Hai Mager Is Terha Baat Faisley Tak Nhin Pohnch Sakti.. Kiyon Key Yoon Samjhye Aap Ki Post Aik Taveel Aetarazat Ka Majmo'aa Hai...



Nahi dost shayad apko koi ghalat fehmi horahi hai,

Sirif 06 pages ki attachment hai ap ney kia perha kia samjha or is sirif 06 pages ka kia jawab ahi ap key pas

Eh chhota sa sawal hai key :

Tamam Muslamano ney apney Aqaid ki drustagi kaha sey seekhi?

Yaqinan Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak sey seekhi or is key alawa koi or dosra rasta nahi hain Islami arkaan seekhney ka.

Jab her firqey key Musalmano ney apney Aqeedey Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak sey seekha or us key bawajood ager itna bara Ikhtalaf hai to kisi na kisi key Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak ko samjhney ka faraq hai ?

Wo kia faraq hai or kis tarha hum samjh saktey hain key kis key Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak ko samjhney ki ghalat fehmi hai us key liyain ye sirif 06 pages diey hain,

Ap sirif in pages perhain baqi abhi sari batain bhool jain ye hum sirif apkey eitrazat ki wazahat ker rahy hain humara asal sawal ka jawab ka abhi tak intezar hai.




Aur Ager Is Terha Hum Jawab Detey Rahey key Saudiya Mein Kis Ki Hakomat Thi.. Tareekh Kiya Kehti Hai.. Milad Kaun Manata Tha Ya Nhin.. In Cheezon Ki Shar'ee Hesiyat Kiya Hai.. Inko Biddat Kab Sey Kehna Shurow Kiya Gaya... Jin Baton Ko Deobandi Wahabi Kufryaat Nhin Kehtey Aur Hum Kehtey Hain Unka Saboot issi Topic Mein Pesh Kerna Shurow Ker Dein...

Tu Aap Khud Samajh Saktey Hain yeh Aik La Yani Behs Ho Jaye Gi.. Kiyon Key Yeh Baat Tu Aap Khud Keh Chukey Key Ikhtilafat Buhut Zyada Ho Chukey Hain.. Tu Itney Ikhtilafat Ki Clarification Ai Topic Mein Kerna Aur Phir Apney Maslak AhleSunnat Barelavi Ko Sahi Sabit Kerna.. Yeh Possible Hai Mager Aap Khud Samajh Saktey Hain Key Kuch Faida Nhin Rahey Ga... Aap Hamari Konsi Baat Ka Jawab Dein Gey... Arab Per Hakomat? Ya Kufryaat? Ya Milad wa Giyarhveen? Ya Dunya Mein Kaun Sey Masalik Hain Aur Kaun Thek Hai?





Ap kisi behas main na perain sirif in 06 pages ka jawab darker hai pl sager ap sirif is ka jawab dey saktey hain to dey dain .






Masla to ye hi hai Barailvi ye kahtey hain, balkey ek nahi sarey Ulma Ehley Sunnat apni allag alag books main taqreeban ek hi tarha key eitrazat deytey hain,

Mager issi tarha Dewbandi Ulama is ki tardeed kartey hain,

Ab ye faisla kesey ho key kis ka kahna sahi hai kis ka kahna ghalat hai ?



[qoute]Aap Ney Ja-Al Haq Perhi.. Mager Phir Bhi Aapko Deobandis Ki Ibaraat Kufr Nhin Lageen....

Aayen Pehley Isi Bat Per Discuss Ker Letey Hain... Hum Aqali Aur Naqli Dalail Sey Unko Gustakhi Sabit Kerney Key Liye Tayyar Hain... Aur Chalein Aapko Ulema-e-Deoband Hi Sey Un Ibaraat ko Gustakhi Sabit Ker Dein Gey...

Chonkey Gustakhi Aik Aisa Masala Hai Jis Per Eman-o-Kufr ka Dar-o-Madar Hai.. Is Liye Yeh Masala Clear Ho Jaye Tu I Think Baqi Ikhtilafat Khud Hi Clear Ho jayen Gey.. Key Asal Masala Yahi Hai...

Is Key Baad Ager Aap Un Per Baat Kerna Chahein tu Bhi Hum Tayyar Hain... Mager Different Topics Mein... Aapki Book Aur Aapki Baat (Zameen-o-Aasman Ka Farq kiyon Hai) Ko Aik Topic Mein Clear Kerney Sey Koi Faida Nazer Nhin Aaraha...



Dost ager jo kuchh Ja ul Haq main likha hai, ya jitni batain Barailvi dewbandi ya wahabi key mutaaliq likhtey hain.

Ager jesa key likha jata hai in sari baton ka maaney or maqsad key eitbar sey kis bhi shakhas key wo hi maqasid hon jesa key Barailvi Ulma likhtey hain to yaqinan essay shakhas ki Sharaii hesiat sey kisi musalman ko bhi shak nahi hosakta.

Mager jab Dewbandi Ulama ney in bataon ki wazahat kerdi hai or ek gherjanibdar admi samjh sakta hai key un ka kia maqsad tha or kia pesh kia gaya?

Kher ye ek alag behas hai.



Dear friend ye bohat asan kaam hai kisi bhi book main tabdeeli ker key kisi ka kahney ka maqsad ko tabdeel kerna.



Is key liyain apko pichhli post main likha tha:



Ap Buzrugan-e-Deen ki books ki bat karty hain yaha to logon ney Asmani books ko bhi nahi chhora or Yahoodion ney or Essaiyon ney apni asmani books main tabdilain ki or logon ko sachai tak nahi pohanchney dia. Humari tarha hi wo log bhi insan they. Mager aaj ap dekh saktey hain aaj asal Aasmani books humarey darmiyan nahi hain. Ager kisi Buzrug Hasti sey mansoob book ko hum ye samjh lian key kio key ye book Muqadas Hasti sey Mansoob hai to bilkul sahi hogi to phir ye bat bhi samney aaey gi key bible main jo chiristen Hazrat Essa Alihey Assalam key ehkamat pesh kartey hain to wo bhi humain manna chahiey kio key wo to Hazrat Essa Alihey Assalam key ehkamat hain?

Mager ye humain Allah Taala ney Quraan Pak (jis ko qayamat tak mehfooz rakhney ka waada Allah Taala ney kia hai) main Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key Zaryey pegham dia hai kia such hai kia ghalat hai?

Or ye silsila waha khatam nahi hua balkey ap dekh saktey hain key Shia Hazrat bhi bohat sarey apney Aqaid ko sahi sabit kerney key liyain essi mohtaram Hastion ki books or un key hawaley deytey hain jo na sirif Shia Hazrat key liyain Mohtaram hain balkey Ehley Sunnat key liyain bhi mohtaram hain.

Kia in Shia Hazrat ki books main diey hoey Mohtaram Hastion key hawalon key mutabiq humain Shia Hazrat key Aqeedey ko bhi qabool kerna chahiey ? kio key ye batain Shia Hazrat key mutabiq Muqadas Hastion key irshadat hain or ye Muqadas Hastiyan humarey liyain bhi intehai qabil-e-Ehtaram hain.

Sirif ek book hai jo humara eman hai key Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key dor-e-Mubarak sey ley ker aaj tak bagher kisi zair-o-zabar ki ghalti key aaj bhi na sirif humarey pas balkey sari dunia main mojood hai jo key Allah Taala ka ek moijza hai.

Issi liyain hi ye sawalat ki attachment apkey pas hai key jab sarey log mukhtalif Buzrugan-e-Deen ki books key hawalon sey or ek hi Quraan Pak or sab key pas ek hi Ahadees Pak key Hawalon sey apney Aqaid ko durust sabit karay or Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak wo Buzrugan-e-Deen key hawaley sab key liayin qabil-e-ehtaram hoon to phir such or ghalat ka faisla kesey ho? is ko in sari baton ko zehan main rakh ker perhain or sochain phir jawabat inyat farmaey .



Jab log apney maqasid hasil kerney key liyain Asmani books main tabdeeli ker deytey hain to phir logon ki likhi hoi books kesey bach sakti hain?



Mager hum is behas main nahi perna chahtey sirif ap sey attachment waley sawal key jawab key liyain darkhuast hai



Humain intezar rahy ga



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Posted 24 May 2008 - 09:55 PM

Nasir Noman Sahib...
Aap Key Post Kerdah 2/3 Pages Main Ney Pehley Perh Liye They... Jin Sey Aapka Moa'aqif Samajh Mein Aagaya Tha...

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Chalein Yeh tu Meri Bat Ho Gayi.. Aap Is Sey 100% Ikhtilaf Ker Saktey Hain...

Aap Apney Pages Ki Taraf Aajayen... Mukhtasaran Main Chand Suwalat Pochta Hoon Jo Aap Key 6 Pages Ka Lub-e-Lubaab Hai...

1. Qadyani Apni Her Baat Ka Hawala Quran-o-Hadees Sey Detey Hain.. In Key Barey Mein Aapka Kiya Khayal Aur Kiya Aap Inkey Pechay Bhi Namaz Perh Letey Hain.. Ager Nhin Perhtey tu Kiyon?

2. Saudiyon Ki Arab Per Hakomat 1924/25 Sey Start Hoyi Is Sey Pehley Arab Per Kis Ki Hakomat Thi? Aur Jo Hakomat Thi Woh Kab Sey Thi Nez Us Hakomat Key Kiya Aqaid They?

3. Ulema-e-Pak-o-Hind (Barelavi) Tu Ajami Hain... Ager Wohi Aqaid Arabiyon Sey Sabit Ho Jayen (Nazr-o-Niyaz, Milad, Waseela Etc) Tu Phir Woh Ulema Bhi Barelavi Kehlayen Gey Ya Aap Un Sab Hawalajaat Ko Bila Saboot Barelaviyon Ki Tehreef Qarar Dey Dein Gey?

4. Sarkar (saw) Ki Gustakhyon Ki Deobandiyon Ney Wazahat Ker Di (Key Hamara Maqsad Tu yeh Tha.. Barelaviyon Ney Yoon Samjha) Ager Wohi Baat Unkey Apney Maulana Jee Key Barey Kahi Jaye Aur Maqsad Wohi Deobandiyon Wala Hi Rakha Jaye Jo Woh Bayan Kertey Hain Tu Unko Ghusa Kiyon Aata Hai?? Aur Woh Apney Molvi ki Gustkahi Kiyon Kehtey Hain..

Yeh Bat Aapko Samajh Nhin Aayi Hogi Is Liye Aik Example Pesh Ker Deta Hoon...

Ager Baqool Zaid Thanvi Sahib Per Ilm Ka Itlaq Mana Jaye Tu Aaya Is Sey Kul Ilm Muraad Hai ya Baaz Uloom? Ager Kul Ilm Muraad Hai Tu yeh Tu Darust Nhin.. Ager Baaz Uloom Muraad Hain Tu Is Mein Thanvi Ki Kiya Takhsees? Aisa Ilm Tu Her Bachey, Pagal, Majnoon, Jahil, Janwiron Tak Ko Hasil Hai...

Meri Is Pesh Kerdah Ibarat Ko Tawajoh Key Sath Perhye Ga.. Ager Aapko Yeh Baat Thanvi Sahib Ki Gustakhi Na Lagey Tu Kisi Deobandi Key Aagey Yahi Ebarat Pesh Kejiye Ga.. Aur Radd-e-Amal Dekhye Ga.. Yahi Baat Thanvi Ney Apney Risaley Hifz-ul-Iman Mein Ki Hai.. Sarkar (saw) Key Ilm-e-Ghaib Per...


5. Ulema-e-Pak-o-Hind (Barelavi) Tu Ghair Arabi Hain... Ager Yeh 100/150 Saala Najdiyon Key Ilawah Aarabiyon Ney Bhi Qurani Aayat Ki Wohi Tafseer Bayan Ki Hoo Jo Barelavi Kertey Hain Tu Woh Arabi bhi Ghair Arabi Kehlayen Gey? Ya Barelavi? Ya Unki Kutub Mein Barelaviyon Ney Tehreef Ker Di Bila Saboot?

6. Ager Arabi Ulema Barelavi Aqaid Rakhtey Hoon Aur Awam Saudiyon Key Pechay Namaz Perh Leti Ho Tu Daleel Kis Ki Li Jaye Gi Awam ki Ya Ulema Ki?


Aakhri Suwal Jadd ul Mukhtar Bhayi Wali Post Per Hai..

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Yeh 6 Suwal Aap Key 6 Pages Per Hain... Mujhey Umeed Hai Aap Apni Phir Sey Koi Nayi Tafseel Bayan Nhin Kerein Gey Aur Jis Terha Hum Ney Aapkey 6 Pages Perhey Is Liye Aap Bhi Sirf In 6 Suwalat Ka Jawab Dein Gey... Aur Yeh Suwalat Aap Key Pages Sey hat Ker Nhin hain

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 10:47 PM

yaha poori book mojood hai, hum ney ye book 4 dafa Shah Tarubul Haq Qadri sahib ,03 Dafa Tahir Ul Qadri Sahib or ek dafa Molana Kokab Okarvi sahib ko bhejwa chukey hain,

or bohat sarey Ulma ehley Sunnat ko bhi bhej chukey hain,or taqreban 500 sey ziada nett friend jis main Pakistan key Alawa bohat sery dosrey country key log bhi shamil hain,


internet per

http://nooremadinah.net(yaha Suleman Subhani admin hain in sey in sawalat key barey main pooch saktey hain inhon ney or bohat sarey doston ney challenge kia tha key jawbat dain gey mager sirif 05 days baad forum band kardi and 10 din baad jab forum open ki to ye sawalat delet kerdiey they)


sabsy pehly tamam sunni bhaiyon ko. (eid) milad e mustafa .... :rolleyes:

nasir sahab aapki tafseeli post parh parh ky parh parh ky thak gayin meri ankhien...janab mazrat ke saath arz hy ki kam z kam post karny se pehly thora post karny ke adab to seekh lein pata hi nahin chalta aap kahan se shuru huey hain or kahan se khatam...kis ka jawab de rahy hai kya quote kar rahy hain.....kher ab mujhy pata lag gaya ki aakpo ulema ahle sunnat ne kyu response nahin diya (mazrat again :D ) ya kyu nooremadianh par apki post topic etc delete/close kar diya gaya.. :) kher inallah ma as sabireen.........


hum kisi bhi khas firqey sey taaluq nahi rakhtey,hum sirif ek Musalman hain,

hum kisi key peechhey undha dhund taqleed key qail nahi hain.kio key Allah Taala ko humara Taqwa pohanchta hai.
or hum sari MAsjid main namaz perhleytey hain,balkey aksar Namaz-e-Jumma Shah Tarab Ul Haq sahib ki Masjid main hoti hai.


janab aap 6 scan pages ki rat lagaye huey hain pehly ye to batayein ki aap hain kon ...?? GENERAL MUSLIM.....Ye kya bala hai, kis hadees me aapka naji kaha gaya hai zara bata to dein....ahadees e muqaddasa mein to "Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamat" ko naji kaha gaya hai ye aam musalmaan kahan se aa gaya? agar kahin hai to bata dein taki humary ilm me bhi izafa ho...aap apny aapko ahlesunnat bhi nahin kehty jaisa ki khud aapny kaha ki hum sirf ek musalman hain...dar asl hum batay hain ki aap kya hain ? aap hain gher muqallid wahabi. to sharmaty kyu hain...kahy na saaf ki me hu wahabi, salafi,GM, saudis ka humdard, humpilla :unsure: ops sorry (halaki meri niyat aapki tanqees ki nahin thi it was just slip of keyboard) humpalla, humniwala etc..etc.

pehly apna naji hona sabit kar dein taki hum bhi kuch sochy ki aap sachchy hain or nijat pany waly hain....aapko itna bhi nahin maloom ki "sarkar e do alam (saw) ne kya basharat di 72 nariyon or 1 naji firqy ke bary mein....hadd to tab ho gayi jab ki khud wahabi bhi apny aap ko ahle sunnat kehlany ka showk rakhty hain or aap jo unky hamdard hony ka dawa karty hain aapko itna bhi nahin maloom ki "aam musalmaan" jaisa ko taswwur hi nahin islam mein...innalillahy wa inna elyhy rajeoon....

[b]

or rahi bat Quraan or Hadees main sawalat key jawabat ka to marey aziz dost hum kafi dafa ye samjha chukey hain jab sarey log Quraan or Ahadees.sey apney Aqaid drust sabit karty hoon to phi rap ye faisla kesey kary gey ?

ap ye hi kahian gey na key is Ayat ka tarjuma ye nahi hai jo ap bata rahy hain?


chaliye phir to chutti hui ye uzar pesh karky sabhi log aram se bth jayein or be fikr ho jayein ki qayamat ke roz jab sawal hoga to yahi jawaban arz kar dijyega ki "sab log kehty thy ki hum hi sahi hain to mujhy to kuch samajh aya nahin kon sahi kon ghalat to iska faisla me kese karta...?" agar yahi daleel qabil e qubool ho to phir us hindu ne kya ghalti ki hai or us yahoodi or isaai ne bhi kya ghalti ki hai wo bhi aisa hi bol karky chutti pa lega...ki humy kya pata kon sahi kon ghalat sabi asmani kitabein dikha kar apny aapko sahi kehty thy...to hum to be gunah hain..hai na?

janab phir aap hi bata dein ki kese pata karein ki kon hai jiska tarjuma sahi hai...? naqis ul aql aisy hi hoty hain...(ops sorry mera irada aapki tanqees ka nahin tha)

khizr ke libaas me sekdo rehzan bhi phirty hain yahan
jeeny ki tamanna hai to zara pehchaan paida kar


sajjad bhai ne apky 6 scan pages ke jawabat de diye hain khuda kary aapko jald aql aa jaye iski ummed mein apky liye hadiyatan tohfatan kuch ilmi zakheera pesh karta hu.....sirf 7 pages. Insha Allah apko Hidayat mil jaye..Ameen

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 12:00 PM

[quote name='Sag-e-Attar' date='May 24 2008, 09:55 PM' post='22711'] Nasir Noman Sahib... Aap Key Post Kerdah 2/3 Pages Main Ney Pehley Perh Liye They... Jin Sey Aapka Moa'aqif Samajh Mein Aagaya Tha... Abhi Aap Key Israr Per Complete 6 Pages Perh Liye Hain... Aap Ney Likha Tha Key Hum Ney Yeh Kafi Ulema Ko Book Bheji Hai Kisi Ney Radd Nhin Likha... Asal Baat Yeh Hai Muazrat Key Sath Key Yeh Pages Radd Likhney Key Qabil Hi Nhin Hain.. Ulema-e-Karam Ki Kayi Masrofyaat Hoti Hain... Ager Woh Aisi Books Ka Jawab Likhney Beth Jayen Tu Jin Books Sey Umat Ko Faida Pohnchta Hai Woh Kaun Likhey Ga..? Chalein Yeh tu Meri Bat Ho Gayi.. Aap Is Sey 100% Ikhtilaf Ker Saktey Hain... [/qoute]


Assalam-o-ALikum,

pehley to apka shukria key ap ney pora sawal perha.
dori bat ye hai key ap ka kahna hai key Ulama key pas essi book ko jawab deney key qabil hi nahi samjhtey kio key ager wo essi book ka jawab dey ker apna qimti waqat barbad kary gey to wo waqat awam ko jin book sey faida pohanchta hai wo reh jain gi.

to Dost Mufti sahib ney ye jo book likhi hai "Jaa Ul Haq" to kio likhi ?
ap kahain gey key logon ko wahabion key mutaaliq pata chal skey or log gumrahi sey bach sakey.
issi tarha Tahir ul Qadri sahib,Shahh Tarbul Haq Qadri Sahib,Kokab Okarvi sahib or bohat sarey Ulama is tarha ki book key jawabat likh ker "AWAM KI KHIDMAT" ker rehy hain. takey log wahabiat ki gumrahi sey bach sakey.
ya to ye hazrat is mozoo per koi book hi nahi liktey to hum ye man leytey key Ulama Ehley Sunnat in baton key jawabat hi nai deytey or apna qimti waqat sirif AWAm ko jis sey faida ponchey sirif unka jawab deytey hain.
kher mager dost ap key hi jesey bhaion ney dawey kiey they key ye ULMA HAzrat Wahabion ki kisi bhi book ka foran jawab dey tey hain kio key is sey AWAM ko gumrah honey ka Khatra rehta hai.
or wo sarey bhai ye book ley gaey they or abhi tak wapis hi nahi aaaey?
ab ap kia kahin gey ???????





ap key sarey jawab dain gey alag alag kio key admin sahib or ek bhai ney kaha key hum bohat lambi lambi post kertey hain or sab mix hojati hain.


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Posted 25 May 2008 - 12:23 PM

1. Qadyani Apni Her Baat Ka Hawala Quran-o-Hadees Sey Detey Hain.. In Key Barey Mein Aapka Kiya Khayal Aur Kiya Aap Inkey Pechay Bhi Namaz Perh Letey Hain.. Ager Nhin Perhtey tu Kiyon?



sawal main ye hi likha hua hai key jab ek hi zuban sey taaluq rakhney walon main kisi bat per ghalat fehmi hosakti hai,jab key ap bhi Urdu zuban waley hain or ye attachment bhi urdu zuban main likhi hoi hai.
mager is key bawajood ap likhney waley ka nuqta-e-nazar nahi samjh sekey?

wo khatam-e-Nabuwat key munakar hain or wo bhi khulam khulla.
or Khatam-e-Nabuwat ka munkar tamam Ulama-e-kiram key nazdeek Murteed hai.
or is liyain hum namaz nahi perhtey.
mager pls ab ap is bat per wo hi purani baton ko na shoro kijiey ga key deobandi bhi is waja sey Murtid or kafir hain waghera waghera.
ye bat ho rahi hai sawal key jawab ki ap sirif us sey mutaaliq jawab deney ki koshhish karay.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 12:41 PM

2. Saudiyon Ki Arab Per Hakomat 1924/25 Sey Start Hoyi Is Sey Pehley Arab Per Kis Ki Hakomat Thi? Aur Jo Hakomat Thi Woh Kab Sey Thi Nez Us Hakomat Key Kiya Aqaid They?[/b]


Hazoor Sallaho ALihey Wassalam key baad KHulafa-e-Rashideen.
us key baad Banu Ummiya.
us key baad Banu Abbasi.
uskey Baad Saltanat-e-Usmania.
uskey baad Wahabi.

poori history hai ager ap kahin gey to sarey Ameer Makkah key naam apko saal key sath bhej dain gey.

ab ager ap ye kahin gey key Saltanat-e-Usmania Barailvi Aqidon wali thi to Usmania Turkey key they kia aap Turkey ya Iraq main kahin aaj bhi Barailvi Aqeedon key mutabiq waha Islam dekha saktey hain?
kio key ager apkey mutabiq ager wo log barailvi aqeedon key mutabiq they kia aaj bhi waha barailvi aqeedey waley mojood hain?
kio key unki goverment khatm zaror hoi thi mager un key aqeedon key nishan to abhi bhi baqi hona chhahiey?
ek taraf apka dawa hai key Baraivi Aqeedey poori dunia main mojood hain to apko in billion barailvi aqeedon waley aqeedey poori dunai main aasani sey nazar aaney chahiey jesa key wahabi aqeedey na sirif poori dunia main nazar aatey hain balkey ap ye bhhi dekh saktey hain key 4 mukhtalif Imamo main Imam Abu Hanble key manney waley bhi wahabi nazar aatey hain.
Imam Malik key bhi manney waley wahhabi aqeedon key mutabiq nazar aatey hain
Imam Shafai key muslak key bhi Wahabi Aqeedon key mutabiq nazar atey hain
or sab sey bari baat Imam Abu Hanifa key hi mannaey waley Dewbandi bhi Wahabiat key aqeedon key mutabiq nazar atey hain.
ek ghalat hoga
2 ghalat hongey
3 ghalat hongey
hatta key apkey hi Imam Abu Hanifa Rehmatullah Alihey key manney waley bhi ghalat hain?
Nuqus apney under bhi hosakta ahi jis ko koi talash nahi ketrta balkey apney under key nuqus ko sari dunia main talash kertey rehey hain






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