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#41 Abdulsalam

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 12:23 PM

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Janab Saeedi Sahib

1) Dill main perhnye ke silsilye main aap kia ye kehna chahtye hain ke Baqool aap ke Jab Allah ne Is waqat khamoosh rehnye ka hokum diya hai to dil main perhlenye se is ki hukam adooli nahin hogi??

Yaqeenan hogi lakin.. to phir is ka doosra matlab to ye hi hai ke is ka wajoob hai sabit hoa???



2) Fasaada se related post already mojood hai, jis main wazeh hai ke Zehri (Rah) se Mooamar Fasaada zikr kernye main munfarid hain. (Hafiz Ibn-e-Hajar and Ibn-e-Habban) Sahi al Hadith 1883)


Main ne is Hadith se inkar nahin kia na hi is ki sanad ko kuch kaha hain, lakin ulama (Ibn-e-Haja and Habban) ke nazdeek ye sanad to sahi hai lakin lafz "fasaa'da" ke silsilye main munfarid hain

Is hadith per aitraz (jo ke aap ne khud zahir ker diya ke Bukhari (Rah) aap ke nazdeek Hanafi se ikhtilaf rakhtye thye,) to Sorrah Fatih ke sath koi soora bhi milani chahiye??? Yani again sorrah fatiha ka wajoob sabit hota hai, jahan tak hamara taaluq hai to hum Bukhari ki Hadith, Muslim ki Hadith, and doosri Kutub-e-Ahadith se is ke (tasdeeq) main warid hoi hadithon se istadlal ke tehaht sirf Soorah Faitha ko Wajib Mante hain (jo faraz ke darrjye main pohanchti hai, Hzoor-e-Akram (saw) ke hukum ke mutabiq)




Hazrat Abu Hurera (ra) se marvi ke “ meri Fatiha fot na hone dena” ka aik jawab hi ho sakta hai ke is Hadith ko aap Wajoob fatiha ke against main nahin le saktye, sarsari nazroon se Ahadith ko dekhnye se yahi hota hai, ye dekho ke muhadetheen akram ke nazdeek is hadith ko raqam karnye ka kia matlab hai,

Bilfarz agar aap is se istadlal karna hi chahtye hain to ye zehan main rakhain ke again ye jehri qirat wali namaz thi, ye khayal rakhnye ko kaha ke meri fatiha fot na ho to Ther ther kar tilawat ki jaye, and agar ther ther kar tilawat kernye ka pata nahin deti to is ka matlab hai ke tilawat hi na shoroo ki jaye and mere jamat ko milnye ka wait kia jaye”

Is ke ilawa yaqeenan doosri sorat bhi milani hogi tabhi (kion ke Jehri Qirat thi, Aameen sunnye per hi Ammen ko na chootnye ka kaha gaya), to us sorrat ke sakton ke darmiyan bhi Sora Fatiha ki tilawat ho sakti thi and ho sakti hai,



Imam Sharani ki kitab Ghaisul agham/Ghaisul Maa’ram ka hawala to diya jo ke Hanafi Imam hain, Kitab ka aks bhi insha Allah pesh kardonga. Main ne inkar bilkul bhi nahin kia. Lakin baat wahin per pohanchti hai ke Ahadith ki aap ke nazdeek koi woqqat nahin?? Lakin Imam Shaa’rani ki kitab ke aks per hai….?



Aap ke akhri (kion ke doosrye tamam sawalat topic se hat kar hain and is ka jawab aap ke ulama bhi de saktye hain), ke Imam Bukhari ne Mukhalifat-e-Ahnaf main is Hadith ko complete riwayat ki… doosrye alfaz main unhon ne khiyanat ki….? To phir Bukhari ko Quran ke baad sahi tareen kitab kehna ghalat ho jayega……? Kia ye sahi hai……..? ye hi wajah thi jis ke liye main ne poocha ke aap ka kia maslak hai kion ke aap hanafiat ke bhi mukhalifat main likh rahye hain (yaqeenan sirf kisi risala se jo ke kisi qisim ke tehqeeq ke bajaye sirf mukhalifat-e-Islaf main hai…..



Janab Saeedi sahib zara tehqeeq kerlain phir jawab dain, agar koi jawab is waqat na ho to main thora wait kar sakta ton lakin jaldi main koi jawab na dain, meharbani hogi

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Posted 25 December 2008 - 09:01 AM

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Posted 29 December 2008 - 07:56 PM

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Shukar hai Allah ka ke aap ne ye to bataya ke Hazrat Jeelani (RAH) Hambali they,

Ab kuch bohat asan se sawalat zehan main uthtye hain jis ke sawalat jawabat talab hain?



1)Maslak Islam

Ab ye bhi kaha ja sakta hai ke un ka ye ikhtiyar shuda madhab bilkul sahi tha and hai, tabhi to aap ke Peeran-e-Peer ne ye madhab ikhtiyar kia ya woh is se wabista they? Or kia hi baat hai ke peer to hanafion ke lakin muqallid Imam Hambal ke, or kia hi baat hai ke Imam Hambal ko bara mantye thye jab ke Ghoth ke taa’reef main aap ko aapki hi kitab se dikha chukka hon (Mazeed ye ke sawal bhi post ki hoi hai) ke Nabi ke baad Goth hi sab se bara hota hai, takvinee hakoomat us ke hath main hoti hai waghera waghera. To phir zara ye bhi batain ke Imam Hambal ki taqleed kion kertye thye direct (Bilawasta) Hazoor-e-Akram (saw) ki ittiba kion nahin kertye thye?



2)Sofi Izm

Kia hi madhab hai Sofi Izm ke islam main ajmi honye ke bawajood maslak ko nahin manta lakin Islam main jab islam main Ittiba-e-Rasool (saw) ki baat hoti hai to Taqleed ko kaha jata hai (Very Strange)

Quran –o-Hadith ko chordo lakin Qol-e-Imam ko pakro (Usool-e-Karkhi)

Wesye ye Tasawoof ka system hi samajh se bala tar hai (wesye Kashful Mahjood ke mutabiq Sofia ke chothye (4th) ya panchvey (5th) tabqye ne sofi izm ke system ko complete kia), and agar koi is system ko samjh sakta hai to aik Sofi, missal ke tor per agar Goth hamesha zinda rehta hai to tama Ambia (as) jo ke sofion ke baqol beyakwaqt Nabi bhi they and Goth bhi, un ke baad Hazrat Ali (ra) , un ke bad aik or sahib (Baqool Kemaye Saadat, translated by Mohammad Saeed Ahmed Naqshbandi) thye, unke baad Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH), alkin un ke baad koi nahin, too sawal ye zehan main aata hai ke jab Goth hamesha zinda rehta hai to phir mazeed kisi goth ki kia zaroorat? Doosri ye agar bilfaraz ye maan bhi lia jaye ke mazeed Goth mojood hain zinda hain to phir to masala ho jayga ke tamam ke pas takvinee hakoomat hasil hai to aik kaenaat ke itnye hukmaran, wah kia hi shirk ka darwaza khola hai?

Mazeed ye ke agar madad hi mangni hai to Allah se kion nahin, chalo is ke baad aap ke baqool tamam aqsam ki madad Nabi (saw) se kion nahin, is ke baad Hazrat Ali (ra) se kion nahin, is ke baat goth sahib se kion nahin, bulke in sab ke ilawa sofi-izm main peer sey ya phir some time Ulama se. wah wah

Kia is ka matlab Allah kisi madad ke poora karnye se aajiz hai (Zaooz-o-Billah), ya aap ke baqool Nabi (as) (saw) ajiz hain? (wazeh rahye ke ye gustakhi ke zimrye mainaatee hai), ya phir Hazrat ali ajiz hain? Han agar ajiz nahin hain to aap ke peer sahib, Goth Sahib, aap ke Ulama…. Ajeeb tareen bat hai.

Logon ko our kinta bewaqoof banao gye???

Isi leye to poochtye hian ke ye Sofi Izm kon sa madhab hai jo kehta hai aik ho jao lakin islami aqayed and farooi muamlat main kehta hai ke taqleed karo apnye imamaon ki?

To taqleed se behtar to Sofi Izm hoi? Kion na isi ko qabool kerliya jaye, is ke tamam shirkia aqeedah ko mantye hoye?

Ab aatye hai aap ke aitarazat bajawab-e-post of Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen

Talaqe Slasa: ghair aham to koi nahin samajhta bulke is teen aik waqt ki talaq ko aik hi mantye hain (ghair aham nahin), doosri zakir naik ke ilmi taaqub main Talaq-e-Buta ke mane (meaning) aap ke Hanafi Aalim ke zubani matlab samjhadiya hai.

Mazeed kuch aur aap ke gosh guzarna chahta hon ke, zara ye batain ke jesa ke Quran main Sora Nisa Ayah 23 main hai ke “tumhari Main (Mothers), Betian, Behnain, Phophiyan, Khalayen (Mother Sister), Bhateejian, Bhanjeyan, razai mother, razai behanain, tumhari bivion ke main jin se tum sohbat kerchukye ho or pichli larkian jo ke aksar awoqat tumhari perqarish main hon tum per haram hai, to janab agar koi sakh ahmaqana pan se ya ghalti se in se nikah ker ley to kia us ko in se wati ki ijazat di jaye gi ya nahin?

Jawab zaroor dain,

Ab agar Quran main wazeh hai ke (Sorah Baqara Ayat 226 se 229) talaq deny eke liye kia tareeqa ikhtiyar kia jaye to phir apni mantiq se teen aik waqt main denye per kia Allah ki Hukam adooli nahin ho gi doosrye alfaz main kia Haram nahin hoga?

Ab aik mazeed bat suntye jayen, Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas (ra) ravi hain ke “Hazoor-e-Akram (saw) ke zamana Mubarik Main, or Hazrat Abu Bakar (ra) ki khilafat main or Umer (ra) ke Khilafat main bhi do (2) sal tak teen (3) talaqain aik hi hoti thin phir Hazrat Umer (ra) ne farmaya ke logon ne aik ayse kam main jald bazi shoro kardi hain jis main in ko muhlat thi, pas agar hum in teenon hi ki in nafiz kerdain to munasib hai, pash aapne in teen talaqon ko nafiz kerdiya (Muslim, Jild 1, Page 377)

Lehaza Abdul Qadir Jeelani ke baat ka sahi mafhoom ye hi hota hai ke is ko ghair aham na samjhja jaye bulke aik ki hi hesiayat di jaye



Shetan ka beta

Janab Nafrat insane ko kis darja gira deti hai is ka izhar aap ki is baat se hi hota hai, SHetan ke doosrye betye ka nam Hadith!, Janab phir to aap ko tamam Ahadith-e-Mubarika ko hi chor dena chahiye ke tamam ulama ke nazdeen Qol-e-Rasool (saw) ko hi hadith kehtye hain, jin ke yahan hum baat ker rahye hain, doosri taraf kehan, bolna bayan karna bhi Hadith ke maano main istimal hota hai, ye Ahadith-e-Mubarika hi hain jo aap ko apni manmani kernye se rooktye hain, and Baqool Hazoor-e-Akram (saw) “main tum main do (2) cheezain chorye ja raha hon, aik Quran and dosri apni sunnatain”, or ye sunnatian kahan se sabit hoti hain, Ahadith-e-Mubarika se hi, ab khud batain aap ka aqeedah basically hai kia???

Namaz ke silsilye main aap jis masjid ki baat ker rahye hain wo Hanafi Masjid hi hai aap ke Hanafi MAslak ke doosri shakh Deoband ki, kahan is ko Ahl-e-Hadith se mila diya, shaid and Yaqeenan aap ko Ahle-e-Hadith ke barye main kuch ziyada ilm nahin hai.



Najdiyana Khayanat….. wah

(i), (ii), janab ye aap ko sirf batanye ki liye post ki thi ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ki namaz kesi thi and ye bohat pehlye hi bata chukka hon ke ye humarye nazdeek hujjat ke qabil nahin, lakin aap ke nazdeek honi chahiye. Lakin yahan to wahi baat hoi ke Taqlee-e-Jamid ka chashma laga ker dekha and isko Hazoor-e-Akram ke Qol ke mukhalifat main apni baat ko manwanye ke liye aeri choti ka zoor laga diya (“Namaz parho jesa ke mujhye perhtye dekhtye ho”)

(iii) Ikhtilaf to nahin kertye lakin azan, Aqamat, Naat, (some time Qawali), Elanat(announcement), waqghyera main is ko zaroor perhtye hain, azan ka aik mustaqil hiss bana diya, ab agar kahin azan shoro ho gai ho and wahah per Salat-o-Wasslam na perhi jaye to tamam log ye samajh lengye ke ye aik barelvi ki masjid nahin (numayan/ mukhtalif nazar aanye ke liye aik aisa amal), to phir…?

(iv)Humarye Liye Bukhari, Muslim, Mowta Imam Malik, waghyera afzal hain Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen ke muqablye main, lehaza Takhne se takhna milatye hain, na ke sirf kandhe se kandha,

“Numan Bin Bashir sahabi ne kaha ke main ne dekha (Saf main) aik shaksh hum me se apna Takhna apnye qareeb walye ke takhnye se mila ker khara hota” (Bukhari, Babul Izaqil Munkib)

Is silsilye ki doosri Hadith

Hazrat Umro Bin Khaild, un se Zuheeir bin Muavia, un se HAmeed, un se Anas (ra) unhon ne Hazoor-e-Akram (saw) se ke farmaya “safian braber karon, main tumhain apnye peechye se bhi dekhta rehta hon our hum main se har shakhs ye karta ke (saf main) apna mondha apnye sathi ke mondhye se and apna qadam apnye sathi ke qadam se mila deta tha”

Jabke aap ka in donon per hi amal nazar nahin aata (kuch janghon per), ke 2, 2, 3, 3, ungli jagha mojood rehti hai and koi milnye ko tayar milta hai koi nahin, Imam sahib aatye hain kuch to Saf ko durust kernye ka boltye hain kuch wo bhi nahin boltye, aaye, namaz perhai, chalye gaye

(v) Kutub Ahadith ke muqablye main Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen ki kia hasiyat, in main likha hai ke Niyat Dil ke iradye ka nam hai, na zuban ke

(vi) takbeer akehri ho ya dohri dono per humain bhi aitiraz nahin, lakin Bukhari ki hadith se to sabith hai akehri takbeer, secondly jab hukm hai ke “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye perhtye hoye dekhtye ho” to phir kia kia jaye??,

(vii)Aap naf ke uoper hi hath bandh lain, namaz to ho jayegi, aitiraz is ke ilawa nahin ke “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye erhtye hoye dekhtye ho” tabhi hum is tarha perhtye hain and doosri tareeqa se bhi. Is ke ilawa Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen main hai

(viii) Zara dobara mulahiza farmayen ke main nain aik isitafsar bhi post kit hi is silsilye main and us ki details bhi zara us ko dobara mulahiza farmayen

Jin becharon ne Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen ab tak perhi nahin thi un ko to pata hi nahin tha ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ka aqeeda, namaz kesi thi and jo kuch bhi molvi hazrat bayan farma dain wo hi theek ho ga

(ix-x) Aamen Biljahar, Rafa Yadain! Kam azkam aap ye to mantye hain ke ye heeyat-e-Namaz main se hai, lehaza Qol-e-Rasool Allah (saw) “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye perhtye hoye dekhtye ho” ke misdaq isko aap kia darja daingye, tamam logon ko bhi bata dain?

20 Rikat Taravieh and Noor, indono ke liye mera jawab yahan per wohi hai ke Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen aap ko samjhnanye ke liye thi and is ki tamam baton per aqeeda hum rakhtye hi nahin, na hi ye hujjat hai



Qirat Khalful Imam

1)Tu Janab meri and apni pichli post main dil main perhnye ke silsilye main main ne jab kaha ke “shukar hai ke aap man gaye ke dil main perh lena chahiye” aap ka reply the ke hum nahin mantye and jhoot na boloon??, ab aap dobara is ko maan rahye hain!!!???

2)Phir Muslim ke Hadith main Mumar ke Munfarid honye ke silsilye main bhi aap ke hi mukhalifat main hai, jab ke hum is ko Quran ke Ayat ke tehat chor detye hain (our jab quran perha jaye t khamoos raho), is se fatiha khalful Imam sabit hoti hai.

3)Matlab to mera wahi hai jo jawab main likha hai (han men ne jumla ghalat kilha hai ke Aameen ki jagha fatiha ka zikr kar diya), yani, ye baat kuch ajeeb si lagti hai ke ‘takbeer-e-owla fot ho jaye, fatiha fot ho jaye, Aameen fot na ho?, yani ke humye kisi Hadith main ye to nahin milta ke Aameen fot ho jaye to namaz nahin ho ti. Kia aap ko mili? Mujhye to ye lagta hai ke aap is hadith ka matlab nahin samajh sake ke Ameen to 2 ya 3 second main insane keh sakta hai, lakin phir bhi is ke fot na hunye denye ke liye Hazrat Abu Hurera(RA) ka israr.

4)Kerdaingye Hawala bhi pesh (scaned page) Isha Allah, lakin wohi baat again ke Quran, Hadith, Qol, Amal in sab ki koi ahmiyat nahin? Agar hai to apnye aik Imam ki, bohat bara muqam de rahye hain aap,???

5)Jab aap Zehar ko Shehad main lappet ker pesh karaingye to us ki taseer Zehar ki hi rahye gi, Shahad nahi ho jaye gi, (aap ka jumla tha mukhalifat-e-Ahnaf main) is ko aam shakhs bhi perhye ga to yahi samjhye ga ke khiyanat hai ya mukhalifat, ab doosrye imamon ka amal un ke sath jaye ga and ja chukka. Ab agar un ka qol Quran-o-Hadith ke khilaf nahin jata to hum in ki kisi baat ki tashi kernye wale hum kon??, hum kharye ho ker Peshab kernye ki Hadith per bhi amal ker saktye hain agar cha ke is main hum aik doosri haidth ke mukhalifat main na chalye jaien (ke Hadith ke mutabiq Peshab ke cheenton se pachna chahiye,) lehaza agar is ka koi hal ho to is Hadith per bhi amal ho sakta hai, and mukhtalif European mumalik main majbooran aisa kerna bhi perta hai, ke wahan per humarye yahan ke tarha is ke liye intizam nahin hota.


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Posted 25 January 2009 - 06:43 PM

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 08:08 PM

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Janab Saeedi sahib
Bohat khushi hoi aap ka reply dekh ker, tamam pichlye guzrye tamam dinon ke post ka reply kerdiya aap ne....

Bohat hi achha hota ke aap bilkul us tarha meri post ka jawab likthye jis tar ha main ne likha tha numbron ke lehaz se
Kion ke is tarha (jesa ka aap ne reply kia hai) aap khud bohat se sawalat ko hazam ker gaye jo ke khalisatan aap ke aqayed se related thye (sofiizm se)

Wesey main is waqt jawab nahin de raha aap ki post ka kion ke aap ne bohat se Aetrazat ko aik sath ker diya hai jub ke meere sawalat ka jawab dena pasand nahin kia aur Sawal ka Jawab Sawal hi ki sorat main pesh kia hai

Lakin kher main zaroor koshish karon ga ke aap ki post ka jawab numbron ke lehaz se don, is main mujhye kuch din lag jayengye, Yaqeenan aap bura nahin manyen gey.....

Han sab se Aakhri chand lines ka jawab to nahin keh saktye lakin radde amal zaroor keh saktye hain ke
"Sahi kaha ke Sirf Momin ke Moula hain" kion ke aaj ki duniya main Momin to Shia Hazrat sirf apny aap ko kehtye hain.
Ahle-e-Sunnat ko to Marjai kehtye hain..
Mujhye Allah bachaye Shirk main per ker Momin kehlanye se

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 08:38 PM

bohat achi sharing hia bhai......

God Bless You.
QURAN WA HADITH KA NAAM LEKAR MUGALTA DENE WALE SIGNUTURE USE KARNE KE JURM ME SIGNUTURE PAR PABANDI AYID HOTI HAI....

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Posted 30 January 2009 - 03:23 PM

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Muhtaram Saeedi sahib
Ghunyat-tu-Talebeen main mojood Namaz ke Tareeqah ko post karnye ka Maqsad aap or aap ke hum Maslak Logon ko ye batana maqsood tha ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ke namaz kesi thi, is main kis baat ko bayan karna ya kisi baat ko na karna kisi Tehreef ya Takhreej na thi bulke sirf tamam logon ko kuch Haqayeq batana maqsood thye jis main Al-Hamdo-Lillah main kaamyaab hoa


2) Ijtahidi Maslak

Janab Ijtahadi maslak per us waqt tak sawab hoga jab tak ke us ki mukhalifat/rad main sahi hadith na mil jaye, jab sahi hadith mil jaye to us se rojoo kerna bhi musalman ki zimedari hai, ab agar hum apny apny ulama ki baton ko hujjat bana lengye to phir Andhi Taqleed hoi, Qol-e-Aaemma (charon maslak ke) hai ke jub humarye qol kisi sahi hadith ya quran se takraye to us qol ko chor do, kuch ka kehna hai ke divawr per de maro. Ab aap ye batana pasand karaingye ke ye in Aaemmon ne kion kaha?


6) Takweeni Hakoomat-o-Nizam

Takweeni Hakoomat Allah ki hai is ko matye hain, lakin is main Sajhye-dari(Partner-Ship) aap ke Ghoth, Qutub Abdal, Imam, Wali ki hai, is ke munkir hain, ab aap bataingye ke is ko aap kia kahengye?

Allah na Quran main jin farishton ke zimmye jo kam lagaya hai us ko to manna hai kion ke ye Allah hi ne ye kam un ko bantye hain, Faristhye masoom hain. aab loog jo khud sakhta tor per khud ko ya Akabir(Wali, Goth, Qutub, Abdal) ki in muamlat main ijarah dari mantye hain who to sarihan shirk hi hai, warna aap khud hi sabit karain ke kis Hadith ki ro se ye sabith hai ke Allah ne apnye Bandon (Insanoon) main se kisi ko Jannat ka darogha, Barish barsanye walal, Soor Phonknye wala, Wahi leker aanye wala, Raham-e-Madar main bachye tak rooh dalnye ki zimedari ata ki hai?? Baraye meharbani kisi zaeef hadith se , Qol-e-Soofiya se is ko sabit na karain.

7) Waseela

Janab Waseela Hazoor-e-Pak (saw) ne apni zindagi main aik Nabina Sahabi (ra) ko dua sikhai ke mere waseelye se dua karo, abb aayte hain Hazrat Umer (ra) ked or-e-Hakoomat main, jo ke barish ke dua kartye/karwatye hain hazrat Abbas (ra) ke waseela se un ki Zindagi main, ab agar us waqt bhi Waseela Hazoor-e-Akram (saw) ka jayez hota to janab Hazrat Umer (ra) zaroor Hazoor-e-Akram ke Waseelye se dua kertye ya karwatye. Yaqeenan ye baat to samajh main aatee ho gi?

8) Talaqe Slasa:

Ghair aham to koi nahin samajhta bulke is teen aik waqt ki talaq ko aik hi mantye hain (ghair aham nahin), doosri zakir naik ke ilmi taaqub main Talaq-e-Buta ke mane (meaning) aap ke Hanafi Aalim ke zubani matlab samjhadiya hai.
Mazeed kuch aur aap ke gosh guzarna chahta hon ke, zara ye batain ke jesa ke Quran main Sora Nisa Ayah 23 main hai ke “tumhari Main (Mothers), Betian, Behnain, Phophiyan, Khalayen (Mother Sister), Bhateejian, Bhanjeyan, razai mother, razai behanain, tumhari bivion ke main jin se tum sohbat kerchukye ho or pichli larkian jo ke aksar awoqat tumhari perqarish main hon tum per haram hai, to janab agar koi sakh ahmaqana pan se ya ghalti se in se nikah ker ley to kia us ko in se wati ki ijazat di jaye gi ya nahin?
Jawab zaroor dain. Intizar karon ga

Ab agar Quran main wazeh hai ke (Sorah Baqara Ayat 226 se 229) talaq deny eke liye kia tareeqa ikhtiyar kia jaye to phir apni mantiq se teen aik waqt main denye per kia Allah ki Hukam adooli nahin ho gi doosrye alfaz main kia Haram nahin hoga?
Ab aik mazeed bat suntye jayen, Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas ravi hain ke “Hazoor-e-Akram ke zamana Mubarik Main, or Hazrat Abu Bakar ki khilafat main or Umer ke Khilafat main bhi do (2) sal tak teen (3) talaqain aik hi hoti thin phir Hazrat Umer ne farmaya ke logon ne aik ayse kam main jald bazi shoro kardi hain jis main in ko muhlat thi, pas agar hum in teenon hi ki in nafiz kerdain to munasib hai, pash aapne in teen talaqon ko nafiz kerdiya (Muslim, Jild 1, Page 377)


Lehaza Abdul Qadir Jeelani ke baat ka sahi mafhoom ye hi hota hai ke is ko ghair aham na samjhja jaye bulke aik ki hi hesiayat di jaye

10) Ghunyat-tu-Talebeen main mojood Namaz ke Tareeqah ko post karnye ka Maqsad aap or aap ke hum Maslak Logon ko ye batana maqsood tha ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ke namaz kesi thi, is main kis baat ko bayan karna ya kisi baat ko na karna kisi Tehreef ya Takhreej na thi bulke sirf tamam logon ko kuch Haqayeq batana maqsood thye jis main Al-Hamdo-Lillah main kaamyaab hoa


11) Azan se pehlye Darood Sharif ke silsilye main , Janab zara is Hadith ke sanad mulahiza farmain, phir batain ke aap log is tarha ki hadith bhi Hujjat ke liye le letye hain?, Sanad kuch is tarha hai

“Ahmed bin Muhammad bin Ayoub, Sana Ibraheem bin Saa’d An Muhammad bin Ishaaq bin Jaafar bin Alzubiar An Urwah bin Alzubair An imra’tim-man Bani Najjar (Bani Najar ki Aik Sahabiya)

To Janab is Hadith main do tarha ka Nuqs hai, i) Muhammad bin Ishaq aik murrikh to hai lakin Muhaddith nahin, Ye Qadri bhi hai, jahan kuch Ulama ne is ko Siqqa likha hia wahan Ulama ne is per jirah bhi ki hai, agar ye akelye riwayat karye to us k sehat mashkook hai. Ii) Bani Najjar ki Sahabiya ka nam kia tha, kefiyat kia thi, kisi our se ye riwata our kahan per (nam ke sath) li gai hai?, to is tarha is nuqs ke saath aap is Hadith ko Azan se pehlye Darood perhnye ke silsilye main Hujjat samajhtye hain?, to phir “Tasweeb” perhnye ko biddat bhi kaha gaya hai, to phir aap log aaj kal apni masajid main Aqamat se pehlye Darood kion parhtye hain??? Ab aap kis Hadith se is ka Jawaz sabit kertye hain??


12) Qadam se Qadam milana, Jab aik riwayat jis per amal karna namumkin main se ho is ki Tasdeeq-o-Toehqeeq ki zaroort ya mansookhi ke liye kisi riwayat ki zaroorat nahin rehti hai, janab aap zara kisi sehat mand aadmi ko kahain ke char (4) ungli ke distance ke sath khara ho ker ur itminan ke saath namaz perh ker dikhaye….. aap ko jawab khud hi mil jayega. Isi liye Ahl-e-Hadith ke yahan jisamat ke lehaz se kharye honye ka hukm hain


Jahan tak Takhnye se Takhnye milanye ka sawal hai to yahan aap sahi hain ke ye amal mumkin nahin he kion ke is tarha some time Safon ke darmiyan khala barh jata hai, Lehaza Hadith ka sahi mafhoom qadam se qadam milana hoga na ke Takhnye se Takhna.


To mera khayal ye hai ke is ka matlab Imam ke nazdeek yahi hai ke Qadam se Qadam milaye and Kandhye se Kandha, lakin aam Awam is ko Takhney se Takhna milana ya guthnaye se Guthna milana samajhti hai jo ke na mumkin hai


14) Akehri Takbeer

Janab mantye hain or some time amal bhi kertye hain, Bukhari jo ke tamam masalik ke nazdeek Tamam Kutub Ahadeeth se ziyada mutabir hai kion ke is main sahi hadith ziyada taadad main hain banisbat doosrye majmooye ke, main takbeer ka tareeka is tarha warid hoa hai.


15) Seenye per Hath Bandhna

Agar Seenye per hath bandhnye ki Hadith agar Bukhari-o-Mulsim main nahin to kia is ka matlab hai ke is silsilye main warid hoi Ahadith jo ke doosri kitabon main mojood hai wo sahi nahin hai?? Is had tak ikhtliaf, khair doosri kitaboon/majmoo-on main warid Ahadith bhi sahi hain or un ke mutabiq humara bhi amal hai, warna humara bhi kehna hai ke Hath seenye per bandhain ya Naf se uooper, ye neechye Namaz to behar hal ho jayegi, Lakin Hadith ke mafhoom ke mutabiq humari koshish hoti hai ke Namaz us tarha parhi jaye jesa ke Hazoor-e-Akram (saw) ada kartye thye.

19) Qirrat-Insaat

I) Janab, aik tarf to aap ka kehna ke Qirat hi nahin, doosri taraf zaban hilaye baghair dil main Qirat “laabass” koi haraj nahin. Aap aik sahabi se marvi ye keh rahye hain ke Sahaba (ra) ke nazdeek dill main zuban hilaye baghair Qirrat Laa-Baas, to janab Juz Bukhari ke Mutabiq Janab Siddiq-e-Akbar (ra) , Janab Umer (ra) , Janab Usman (ra) , Janab Ali (ra) se Qirrat Khalful Imam ka saboot hai. Is ke ilawa mazeed Sahaba-e-Ikram (ra) se bhi sabit hai to ab aap kia kahyengye??

Teesri taraf aap ka kehna ke tamam masalik (Shafai, Maliki, Hambali, Hanafi) sahi, to phir ye batayen ke shafai or Hambali ka to Qirat Khaliful Imam per amal hai to who kia ghalat amal hai??


II) Jhoot to nahin janab lakin ye zaroor kaha hai ke pehlye to Qirrat se inkari they ab Insaat ke sath mantye hain, jis ke silsilye main aap ne “la-baas” tehree ki. To phir…, wesye Qirrat nafsi main bhi irada zaroori hai, or sahi se tilawat karnye main Tawajja bhi chahiye..,



III) Jin Ahadith ka hawala aap detye hain woh to jehri Namazon main Qirat se rokti hai na ke Sirri namzon main


20) Muslim ke Riwayat ke mutabiq "Fasada" ka zikr munfarid hunye per
Aap kehtye hain ke Ye Riwayat Abu dawood main bhi Sufiyan se marvi hai.....
to Janab zara ye batayen ke kahin aap is Riwayat jis ki sanad kuch is tarha hai to nahin keh rahye
"Qateeba bin Saeed bin Alsrah,Sufyan, An Zahri, An Mahmood bin Al Rabie, An Ibadah Bin Samit"

Agar han to janab is hadith ka Akhri tukra kion bhool gaye aap riwayat ke barye main bata tye hoye?, jo ke aap

ke mukhalif ho jati hain ke "Sufyan kehtye hain ke Riwayat Tanha Namazi ke liye hai" (Muqtadi ke liye nahin)

to phir aap ki baat muqtadi ke liye na honye ki sorrat main ghalat ho gai…………!. Is per to amal tamam Ahl-e-

Sunnat ke maslakon ka hai, mera bhi, aap ka bhi.


Is silsilye main sirf Muslim ke hi Hadith nahin warid hoi hai bulkye mazeed ahadith bhi hain, un tamam per aitaraz karain and sabit karain to phir baat ban sakti hai, mazeed ye ke, Ye to aap ko pata hi hai ke Shafai or Hambali donon Fatiha Khaliful Imam per amal kartye hain.

21) Hazrat Abu Hurera (ra) ke Ameen ka fout na Honye Dena

Janab, Hanafi Tashreeh ko manna koi bari baat nahin, man saktye hain lakin sirf us soorat main ke woh Quran-o-Hadith se mutabiqat rakhti ho. Is tarha kisi aam or naamaloom shakhs ki tashreeh bhi sar aakhon per, lakin agar mukhalifat main hoi to kitnye hi barye or jayyad aalim ki ho hum nahin manyegye

Janab sawal hanooz wahi hai ke kis waja se unhon ne kaha ke meri Aameen fout na honye dena, kion ke kisi hadith se ye sabit to nahin ke Aameen na kahi jaye to Namaz nahin hoti, Doosri taraf Abu Hurera (ra) se hi aik riwayat Fatiha Khalful Imam ki Ahadith main mojood hai??

Ye do masalye to bilkul wazeh hain, ab meri samajh main ye nahin aa raha ke main aap ki baat kesye manon?

22) Doosra Imam Shaa’rani ki Kitab ka hawala jis per aap kehtye hain ke scanned page pesh karain Fazool Batain Na Karnain, Wah! Ulta chor kutuwal ko dantye? Janab Sawalat Sofiizm se related ko hazam kergye aap

jo ke Aapki post ke reply main main ne kia tha, ke ye kon sa mazhab hai jo kehta hai ke aik Ho jaoo Sofi Izm ke liye

Tamam masalye aik tareeqa se hal karain, Qawwali karain, Urus karain, Nazr-o-Niyaz, chehlam, Soyem etc

karain, Namaz-e-Ghosia parho. or is ke liye har qism ki Zaeef, Gharib, Mozo, Ahadith per amal kerain, lakin

namaz ke liye Sahi Haidth per bhi nahin or agr koi amal ka taqaza karye to us per qadghanlagana shoro kerdain

?????

Lakin jab islam per amal kernye ke bari aati hai to kehtye hai batt jao firqon main or Allah ki Rassi ko chor do

?????

Wesye main bhi us kitab ko dhondh raha hon takye aap ko us ka page scan ker ke de sakon, aik sahib se baat

Nahin ho paa rahi hai is silsilye main


Lakin shaid ab aap us waqat tak nahin manye gye jab tak main scanned page post na kardon……..


23) Hazrat-e-Bukhari per Aitraz

Janab sada sa jawab hai nahin. jis andaz se aap samajhtye hain us tarha to nahin, yani ke Mukhalifat-e-Ahnaf, kion ke is tarha to aap, hum or tamam logon ke liye sahi Adadith ke Zakheerye ki woh afadiyat khatam ho jayegi jo ke abtak hai, or Mukhalif-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat wal jammat ka asal maqsad hi yahi hai, lehaza hum ye to mantye hain ke un se ghalati ho sakti hai, kisi zaeef ravi ka qol le leya hoga (jesa ke liya hai), kisi ravi ko siqqa (un ki nazar main) samajh ker koi ghalat riwayat le li ho gi. Lakin ye kehna ka jan boojh ker ya kisi ki mukhalifat main is tarha ka kuch amal kia hoga ye ghalat hai or main or hum sub is se ittifaq nahin kertye.


Ibn-e-Arabi, Naad-e-Aliiya, Sharai-o-Batini uloom, Usool-e-Karkhi, ye sab Sawalat from ghair muqallis se related post hain, Jawab wahin donga.

Baraye Meharbani Apni Post wahin per Post karin

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Posted 02 February 2009 - 07:01 PM

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20) Muslim ke Riwayat ke mutabiq "Fasada" ka zikr munfarid hunye per
Aap kehtye hain ke Ye Riwayat Abu dawood main bhi Sufiyan se marvi hai.....
to Janab zara ye batayen ke kahin aap is Riwayat jis ki sanad kuch is tarha hai to nahin keh rahye
"Qateeba bin Saeed bin Alsrah,Sufyan, An Zahri, An Mahmood bin Al Rabie, An Ibadah Bin Samit"


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Janab Saeedi sahib
Muslim ke riwayat main Imam Nouvi ne Fasa'ada ke Mumer ke Zehri se munfarid hunye ka ziker kia hai, Hawala ke Liye Muslim mazkora Hadith Mulahiza karain,
Shaed is ki Waja Dawood main is riwayat ka "An" ki soorat main riwayat hona hai, Mujhye to khi khas ilm nahin lakin Imam-e-Fan-e-Hadith "An" ke silsilye main likhtye hain "An" jis riwayat main mojood ho us main se rawi ke darmiyan se girna (Chootna) hota hai,
Lehaza ye ho sakta hai ke Sufyan jis riwayat ko Zahri se riwayat ker rahye hian us main woh bhi barah-e-Rast Zahri ke bajaye "Mumar" se hi riwayat kartye hon lakin us ka nam is riwayat main na honye ki bina per yahan per "An" mojood hai
(Ye mera nazarya hai, zaroori nahin ke log is se muttafiq hon, lakin tehqeeq zaroor ho sakti hai)

Wallah Aalam Bissawab


Jahan tak Hazrat Ali (ra) ke Wali o Moula honye ka zikr hai to janab is ko baraye Meharbani ya to Naad-e-Alliya ki post per likhain to behtar tareeqye se tehqiqi behas ho gi ya phir chahain to new topic start ker lain to wahan per baat ker hogi

fi-aman:
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Janab Ya-Muhammada sahib
Zara Tahavi Shareef se bahir aa kar bhi dekhyen, doosri Kutub Ahadeeth bhi mojood hain
Shayed aap ko Bukhari ki Tehqeeq per itminan nahin hai tabhi Tahavi shareef ka sahara le rahye hain??

Ab aap ko at least sabooth to bohat pesh kar chukye hain phir bhi zid hai ke fateha khalful Imam jaayez nahin

Aap ke doosrye ashab, baghair zuban hilaye dil main Fatiha ke parhnye ke qayel to hain hi zara aap bhi likhtye hoye is ka khayal rakha karyen

Aik taraf to aap Abdul Qadri Jeelani (RAH) or Ghazali (RAH) or doosrye tasawoof ke mannye walye lakin Shafai, Hambali, Maliki buzurgon ke amal ko nahin mantye or doosri taraf un ki batyen quote kartye or un ka naam letye nahin thaktye hain

Ab aap bhi ye maan len ke ye log (Baqool aap ke Hadeeth ke mukhalifat kartye hoye) aap ke aqeedah ke mukhalifat main na Jayez kaam amal kartye thye..........? saath hi aap ko ye bhi maaloom hona chahiye ke Soofi agar zara (Qaleel miqdar main bhi) bhi najayez kaam karye to us sey sofiyet ki khossosiyat cheen li jaati hai. (Pir Karam Ali Shah Azhari or Jahangeer Samnani)

To phir aap ke paas ye hi jawab reh jata hai ke un ka Maslak alag tha. to phir mera kehna hota hai ke to phir aap humye is muamlye main ghalat kion kehtye ho?????????????
ye keh kar kion jaan nahin churatye ke "Ahl-e-Hadeeth jo mantye hain woh bhi sahi or jo hum mantye hain woh bhi sahi"
is ke baad aap ko phir usi baat ki yaad dilaon ga ke jab aap ko ahadeeth ke zariye ye ilm ho ke " aik rukun ke na karnye se us kaam ke na mukammal rah janye ka andesha hai or aik rukun (Baqool aap ke Na Jayez) kar lenye se mukammal, to phir aap kon se amal ka intikhab karyengye.......?

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 12:44 PM

Brailvi Ulama say maira b aik swala hai?

Aap mujhay koi aisi Hadees bata dain jis main mairay Peer Jinab-e-Muhammad (saw) nay yeh kaha ho k ""Jo imam k peechay Surat-Fatiha padhay us ki namaz nahi ho gi.""




Sirf aik HAdees-e-Nabvi (saw) .
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