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#21 Sybarite

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:08 PM

saybrite sahib aap ke munafikat khul ker samne agaye h zhair he mane ge to nahi me ne kaha nice sharing .kiya ghulam msutafa ne sahring ki thi. afsos . muanfik me bralvi pehle number per he. jessy kokab norani loll.ab matem karo aap log ke woh kiya keh gaya


Deobandari bawloo mein aap yaqeenan sardaar hain. Apnay bhai ki post ko aankhein khool kar parh lein. Mujhay tu maloom hai ke aap ne kis ko kaha tha "nice sharing" lekin aap ke deobandari bhai ki samajh nahi aa rahi thi, uss ko samjhanay ke liye kaha hai. Kyu lateefay choortay ho har thori dair mein deobandari!

Aur I admit ke aap se bara be'ghairat aur be'sharam deobandari mein ne nahi dekha! Abhi tak uss topic ko start karnay mein paoo kaanp rahay hain aap ke kyu pata hai waha kya durgatt banay gi. Doosray tamaam topics mein bakwaas karnay ka bohut time hai, bus uss topic ko start karne ki baat aye tu time nahi hota!!

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 07:27 PM

Jad ul Mukhtar sahib! Inshallah! Mai zror aap ki sawalat k jawabat doo ga! Filhall to mujhe zra last posting per Eateraazat ka jawab daina hai...........!


Anti-Brelvi sahib. app ki iss request kay baad bhi app post per post kar rahay ho, lakin meray sawalat kay jawabaat abhi tak nahi post kia.

main abhi bhi wait kar raha hoon. ummeed hai app inn kay jawabaat zaroor deen ge.

حضرت سواد بن قارب رضی اللہ تعالی عنہ کا قصیدہ


فاشھد ان اللہ لا شیئ غیرہ
و انک مامون علی کل غائب
و انک ادنی المرسلین شفاعۃ
الی اللہ یا ابن الاکرمین الاطائب
فکن لی شفیعا یوم لا ذو شفاعۃ
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Posted 22 February 2009 - 08:51 PM

Deobandari bawloo mein aap yaqeenan sardaar hain. Apnay bhai ki post ko aankhein khool kar parh lein. Mujhay tu maloom hai ke aap ne kis ko kaha tha "nice sharing" lekin aap ke deobandari bhai ki samajh nahi aa rahi thi, uss ko samjhanay ke liye kaha hai. Kyu lateefay choortay ho har thori dair mein deobandari!

Aur I admit ke aap se bara be'ghairat aur be'sharam deobandari mein ne nahi dekha! Abhi tak uss topic ko start karnay mein paoo kaanp rahay hain aap ke kyu pata hai waha kya durgatt banay gi. Doosray tamaam topics mein bakwaas karnay ka bohut time hai, bus uss topic ko start karne ki baat aye tu time nahi hota!!

yar sybrite kehne ko aap moderator hien per lehje se me aap ko kiya kahoon kum se kum lehja to drust karo take pata chale aap ka background kiya he kiya baeed mery post per aap gali galoch per uter aoo. aap mujh ko yakeen dilao ke gali galosch nahi karo ge aur tehzeeb ki daiery me reh ker baat karo ge to wellcome weran mujh ko shoke nahi ke batil ki jang me apna time barbad karoon. aap mujh ko yakeen diwoa me sirf apne computer ka wait ker raha hoon dsl line to gher agye he computer agaya to jumerat ko INSHALLAH hazir hoon ga per ache aru sache muselman ki tehra bat karo to werna tata

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 09:49 PM

Bin Baaz ka Fatwa : "Tablighi Jamat Naqisul Ilm hai Aqeedah iska Kharab So isky saath jana Najayz hai"

Jama'atul Tableegh & the Prayer Within Mosques That Contain Graves

Question:

I travelled to India and Pakistan with the Jama’atul-Tableegh, and we used to gather and pray in mosques that had graves within them. And I heard that the prayer within a masjid that contains a grave is invalidated; so what is your opinion regarding my prayers and do I have to repeat them? And what is the ruling upon going out with them (Jama’atul-Tableegh) to these places?

Answer:

In the Name of Allaah, and all praise is due to Allaah, to proceed;

Jama’atul-Tableegh do not have with them sure-sighted knowledge in issues of ‘Aqeedah, so it is not permissible to go out with them, except for the one who has with him knowledge and insight of the correct sound ‘Aqeedah, that which the Ahlus sunnah wal-Jama’ah are upon, so that he guides them and advises them and cooperates with them upon good, because they are very active in their work, however they are in need of more knowledge, and (in need of) those who will give them clear-sightedness from the scholars of Tawheed and Sunnah.

May Allaah grant all people understanding in the religion and firmness upon it.

As for the Prayer in Masjids that contain a grave within them, then it is not correct, and it is obligatory to repeat that which you prayed within them; due to the saying of the Prophet sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam:

"May the curse of Allaah be upon the Jews and the Christians, they took the graves of their Prophets as places of worship." Its authenticity is agreed upon.

And his sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam saying:

"Truly those that came before you use to take the graves of their Prophets and righteous ones as places of worship, so do not take the graves as places of worship because, indeed I forbid you from that."[1]

And the narrations in this subject are many.

And success is with Allaah, and may the peace and blessings of Allaah be upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and Companions.

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[1] Reported by Muslim in his Saheeh.

Shaykh `Abdul-`Azeez Bin Baz

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Translated by Abu Maryam Taariq bin 'Ali

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 09:52 PM

Bin Baaz ka fatwa : "Tabligh Jamat 72 Nari Firqo me se Ek Firqa hai"

Jama’at at-Tableegh are from the seventy two destroyed sects

Posted on: Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 @ 5:40 pm
Written by/Said by: Shaykh 'Abdul 'Azeez ibn Baaz (رحمه الله)
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His eminence, al-Allaamah, Shaykh ‘Abdul ‘Azeez ibn Baaz, may Allaah Ta’ala have mercy upon him, was asked:
May Allaah grant you much good. In the hadeeth of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) regarding the breaking up of the nations, he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: “My Ummah (nation) will break up in to seventy three sects [all of them in the fire] except one". So the Jama’at at-Tableegh, with what they have from the aspects of shirk and innovations and the Ikhwaanul Muslimeen, with what they have from aspects of hizbiyyah (partisanship), who revolt against the authority of the Muslim rulers and who disobey them, do these two groups enter into the destroyed sects?

So he - may Allaah forgive him and bestow upon him the vastness of His mercy - answered by saying: They enter in to the seventy two (destroyed sects). Whosoever goes against the ‘aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah enters in to the seventy two (destroyed sects).
The meaning of his (صلى الله عليه وسلم) statement: “my Ummah (nation)", is the Ummah of Ijaabah, meaning the nation that responded; the ones who responded (to his way) and showed their allegience to him. And the meaning of seventy three sects: The victorious sect, the saved (sect), is the one that adhered to him and were upright upon their religion and the seventy two sects includes the disbelievers, the sinners, and the innovators.

Then the questioner said: You mean, that these two groups (Jama’at at-Tableegh and al-Ikhwaanul Muslimeen) are from the seventy two (destroyed sects)?

The Shaykh answered: Yes, they are from amongst the seventy two, the likes of the Murji’ah and other than them. The Murji’ah and the Khawaarij, some of the people of knowledge are of the opinion that the Khawaarij are disbelievers outside (the fold of Islaam), but generally are included amongst the seventy two.


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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:08 PM

"Bin Baaz ka Fatwa : Tablighi Jamat Gumrah Kam Ilm hai"

Fataawa of Shaykh ‘Abdul-‘Azeez bin Baaz in warning against the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh



The Final Fataawa of Shaykh ‘Abdul-‘Azeez bin Baaz in warning against the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh

In the Name of Allaah, All Compassionate, All Merciful

His excellency, Shaykh ‘Abdul-‘Azeez bin Baaz (rahima-hullaah) was asked about the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh, so the questioner asked:

Your excellency, we hear about the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh and that which their da’wah entails. So would you advise me to join this Jamaa’ah (group). I anticipate your guidance and advice, and may Allaah reward you immensely.

So the Shaykh responded by saying:

Whoever invites to (the path of) Allaah, then he is a muballigh (one who conveys the message (of Islaam)), (as the hadeeth mentions): ((Convey from me, even if it be a (single) Aayah)); However, the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh (originally) from India have many deviations. They have some aspects of bid’ah and shirk, so it is not permissible to go (out) with them, except for a person who has knowledge and goes (out) with them to disapprove of what they are upon and to teach them (the truth). If, however, he goes (out) to follow and adhere to them, then no.

That is because they have deviations, mistakes and lack of knowledge. However, if there was a Jamaa’ah doing tableegh other than them, from the people of knowledge, then (it is permissible to) go out with them for daw’ah purposes.

If there was a person of knowledge who goes out with them to enlighten and guide them, along with teaching them such that they leave their falsehood and embrace the way of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, (then that is good).

[So, the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh and those who sympathise with them, will benefit from this fatwa, illustrating the reality of their ‘aqeedah and Manhaj and the writings of their scholars whom they blindly follow]

[This was extracted from the tape: ‘Fataawa Samaahatush-Shaykh ‘Abdul ‘Azeez Ibn Baaz concerning the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh’ which was published in Ta’if about two years before the Sahykh’s death. The tape refutes the cover-up of the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh and the old statement of the Shaykh which was published before their reality and manhaj was made clear to him.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:19 PM

Fataawa of the Noble Shaykh Muhammed Naasir-ud-Deen al-Albaanee regarding the Jamaa’ahat-Tableegh Al-Fataawa al-Imaaraatiyyah of al-Albaanee




He (Rahimahullaah) :lol: was asked:

"What is your opinion concerning the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh? Is it permissible for a student of knowledge or other than him to go out with them under the guise of inviting to (the path of) Allaah?"

So he responded: The Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh does not uphold the manhaj of the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger and that which our Salaf as-Saalih were upon.

And if the situation was such, then it is not permissible to go out with them because it defies our manhaj in calling to the manhaj of the Salaf as-Saalih. So in the path of inviting to Allaah, then an ‘aalim (one who is knowledgeable) can go out with them but as for those (ignorant – without knowledge) who go out with them, then it is obligatory upon them to remain in their countries and (study Islaam) seek knowledge in their masaajid until there graduates from amongst them people of knowledge who hold study circles inviting to the path of Allaah.

As long as the situation is like that, it is upon the student of knowledge to invite these people (those from Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh) to study the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah and invite people to it.

And the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh, with respect to da’wah to the Book and the Sunnah, do not intend by it a starting point, rather they consider that to be a divided call (Da'wah)/approach; And because of this, they most resemble the Jamaa’ah of al-Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen.

They say their Da'wah is based upon the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah, however this is mere idle talk for certainly they have no ‘aqeedah upon which they are united (which unites them) – so you find some are Maatureedee, others are Ash’aree, whilst others are Soofee and even some who have no madhhab (affiliation to any particular ideology).

This is because their Da'wah is built upon amassing (the people), then gathering together and culturising/instructing them, and in reality they do not really have any culture. More than half a century has passed and there has not appeared from amongst them a scholar.

As for us, then we say instruct them, then gather together, such that the gathering together is based upon a foundation in which there is no doubt.

So the da’wah of the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh is that of the Soofiyyah, they call to good manners, as for correcting the differing ‘aqeedah of the group, then they do not exert themselves one iota. This is because they believe this will cause differences (and splitting apart).

It came to pass that a brother, Sa’d al-Husayn had much correspondence with the leader of the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh in India or Pakistan and it became clear from that they acknowledge (belief in) intercession and seeking help (from other than Allaah) and many other such things. And they require their people (members) to make bay’ah (oath of allegiance) based upon four issues: amongst them the Naqshbandiyyah methodology. So it is upon every tableeghee (one who ascribes to the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh) to make bay’ah of these fundamentals (issues).

A questioner may ask: Indeed this group has corrected its faults (returned to Allaah) as a result of the efforts of many individuals and quite possibly many non-Muslims have accepted Islaam at their hands. Is this not sufficient (proof) for the permissibility of going out with them and participating in that which they call to?

So we say: Indeed we know these words and hear them a lot and know them to emanate from the Soofiyyah! For example, there is a Shaykh whose ‘aqeedah is incorrect and does not know anything about the Sunnah. Instead they deceitfully take from the wealth of the people, so together with this, many open sinners seek forgiveness from them!

So every group which invites to good, then it is imperative they should be in adherence (to the Qur'ân and the Sunnah), and (this) our approach is pure, so what are they (others) calling to?

Are they calling to adherence to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger and the ;aqeedah of the Salaf as-Saalih, abandoning blind following of the madhhabs to such an extent that they adhere to the Sunnah over and above their madhhab!? So the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh do not have a knowledge-based (manhaj), rather, their manhaj is according to the place where they are to be found, so they change their "colours" to suit themselves.


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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:25 PM

What is the Ruling on the 40 days and 4 months to the different part of world to call Muslim brothers towards duties of Islam




“Jamaa’at al-Tableegh” is one of the groups that are working for Islam. Their efforts in calling people to Allaah (Da'wah) cannot be denied. But like many other groups they make some mistakes, and some points should be noted concerning them. These points may be summed up as follows, noting that these mistakes may vary within this group, depending on the environment and society in which they find themselves.

1 – Not adopting the ‘aqeedah of Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah. This is clearly seen from the variations in the ‘aqeedah of some of their members and even of some of their leaders.

2 – Their not paying attention to shar’i knowledge.

3 – Their misinterpretation of some Qur'ânic verses in a manner that was not intended by Allaah. For example they interpret the verses on jihad as referring to “going out for Da'wah”. The verses which mentioned the word khurooj (going out) etc. are interpreted by them as meaning going out for Da'wah.

4 – They make their system of going out for Da'wah an act of worship. So they started to misquote the Qur'ân to support their system which specifies certain numbers of days and months. This system, which they think is based on evidence from Qur'ân, is widespread among them in all countries and environments.

5 – They do some things that go against sharee’ah, such as appointing one of them to make du’aa’ for them whilst the group goes out for Da'wah, and they think that their success or failure depends on whether or not this man was sincere and his du’aa’ accepted.

6 – Da’eef (weak) and Mawdoo’ (fabricated) ahaadeeth are widespread among them, and this is not befitting for those who aim to call people to Allaah.

7 – They do not speak of munkaraat (evil things), thinking that enjoining what is good is sufficient. Hence we find that they do not speak about evils that are widespread among the people, even though the slogan of this ummah – which they continually repeat – is:

“Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good (Islam), enjoining Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do) and forbidding Al-Munkar (polytheism and disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden). And it is they who are the successful” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:104 – interpretation of the meaning]

The successful are those who enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, not just those who do only one of the two.

8 – Some of them fall into self-admiration and arrogance, which leads them to look down on others, and even to look down on the scholars and describe them as inactive and sleeping, or to show off. So you find them talking about how they went out and travelled, and they saw such and such, which leads to unfavorable results, as we have mentioned.

9 – They regard going out for Da'wah as better than many acts of worship such as jihad and seeking knowledge, even though those things are obligatory duties, or may be obligatory for some people but not others.

10 – Some of them audaciously issue fatwas, and discuss tafseer and hadeeth. That is because they allow each one of them to address the people and explain to them. This leads to them speak audaciously on matters of sharee’ah. So the inevitably speak of the meaning of a ruling, hadeeth or verse when they have not read anything about it, or listened to any of the scholars. And some of them are new Muslims or have only recently come back to Islam.

11- Some of them are negligent with regard to the rights of their children and wives.

Hence the scholars do not allow people to go out with them, except for those who want to help them and correct the mistakes that they have fallen into.

We should not keep the people away from them altogether, rather we must try to correct their mistakes and advise them so that their efforts will continue and they will be correct according to the Qur'ân and Sunnah.

There follows the fatwas of some of the scholars concerning Jamaa’at al-Tableegh:

1 – Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz said:

Jamaa’at al-Tableegh do not have proper understanding of the issues of ‘aqeedah, so it is not permissible to go out with them, except for one who has knowledge and understanding of the correct ‘aqeedah of Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, so that he can guide them and advise them, and cooperate with them in doing good, because they are very active, but they need more knowledge and someone who can guide them of those who have knowledge of Tawheed and the Sunnah. May Allaah bless us all with proper understanding of Islam and make us steadfast in adhering to it. [Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 8/331]

2 – Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan said:

Going out for the sake of Allaah does not refer to the kind of going out that they mean nowadays. Going out for the sake of Allaah means going out to fight. What they call going out nowadays is a bid’ah (innovation) that was not narrated from the salaf.

Going out to call people to Allaah cannot be limited to a certain number of days, rather one should call people to Allaah according to one's abilities, without limiting that to a group or to forty days or more or less than that.

Similarly the daa’iyah must have knowledge. It is not permissible for a person to call people to Allaah when he is ignorant. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): This is my way; I invite unto Allaah (i.e. to the Oneness of Allaah — Islamic Monotheism) with sure knowledge” [Yoosuf 12:108]

i.e., with knowledge, because the caller must know that to which he calls people, what is obligatory, mustahabb, haraam and makrooh. He has to know what shirk, sin, kufr, immorality and disobedience are; he has to know the degrees of denouncing evil and how to do it.

The kind of going out that distracts people from seeking knowledge is wrong, because seeking knowledge is an obligation, and it can only be achieved by learning, not by inspiration. This is one of the misguided Sufi myths, because action without knowledge is misguidance, and hoping to acquire knowledge without learning is an illusion. [From Thalaath Mihaadaraat fi’l-‘Ilm wa’l-Da’wah]

Shaykh, Muhammed Ibn Ibraaheem Aal-ash-Shaykh in warning against the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh

From Muhammed Ibn Ibraaheem to his excellency Prince Khaalid Ibn Sa’ood, leader of the Royal Court, as-Salaam ‘Alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu, to proceed:

I received the noble correspondence of your excellency (No.36/4/5-D on 21/1/1382 A.H) and that which it contains of the request directed to his excellency, the king, from Muhammed Ibn ‘Abdul-Haamid al-Qaadiree, Shaah Ahmad Nooraanee, ‘Abdus-Salaam al-Qaadiree and Sa’ood Ahmad Dahlawee regarding their request for assistance in the project of their organisation which they have named (Kulliyyatud-Daw’ah wat-Tableegh al-Islaamiyyah) - and also the pamphlets that have been enclosed with their request.

I inform your excellency that there is no good in this organisation for certainly it is an organisation of innovation and falsehood which I have discovered by reading their pamphlets which were attached to their requests. We found it to comprise of falsehood, innovation and the inviting to the worshipping of graves and shirk. Quite simply, something which (we) cannot remain quiet about.

Therefore, we shall (inshaa-Allaah) put forward a refutation revealing their misguidance and falsehood.

We ask Allaah to assist his religion and make high His Word, was-Salaam ‘Alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
[S-M-405 on 29/1/1382 A.H].

Shaykh Muhammed Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee regarding the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh

He (rahima-hullaah) was asked:

"What is your opinion concerning the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh? Is it permissible for a student of knowledge or other than him to go out with them under the guise of inviting to (the path of) Allaah?"

So he responded: The Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh does not uphold the manhaj of the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger and that which our Salaf as-Saalih were upon.

And if the situation was such, then it is not permissible to go out with them because it defies our manhaj in calling to the manhaj of the Salaf as-Saalih. So in the path of inviting to Allaah, then an ‘aalim (one who is knowledgeable) can go out with them but as for those (ignorant – without knowledge) who go out with them, then it is obligatory upon them to remain in their countries and (study Islaam) seek knowledge in their masaajid until there graduates from amongst them people of knowledge who hold study circles inviting to the path of Allaah.

As long as the situation is like that, it is upon the student of knowledge to invite these people (those from Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh) to study the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah and invite people to it.

And the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh, with respect to da’wah to the Book and the Sunnah, do not intend by it a starting point, rather they consider that to be a divided call (da’wah)/approach; And because of this, they most resemble the Jamaa’ah of al-Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen.

They say their da’wah is based upon the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah, however this is mere idle talk for certainly they have no ‘aqeedah upon which they are united (which unites them) – so you find some are Maatureedee, others are Ash’aree, whilst others are Soofee and even some who have no madhhab (affiliation to any particular ideology).

This is because their da’wah is built upon amassing (the people), then gathering together and culturising/instructing them, and in reality they do not really have any culture. More than half a century has passed and there has not appeared from amongst them a scholar.

As for us, then we say instruct them, then gather together, such that the gathering together is based upon a foundation in which there is no doubt.

So the da’wah of the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh is that of the Soofiyyah, they call to good manners, as for correcting the differing ‘aqeedah of the group, then they do not exert themselves one iota. This is because they believe this will cause differences (and splitting apart).

It came to pass that a brother, Sa’d al-Husayn had much correspondence with the leader of the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh in India or Pakistan and it became clear from that they acknowledge (belief in) intercession and seeking help (from other than Allaah) and many other such things. And they require their people (members) to make bay’ah (oath of allegiance) based upon four issues: amongst them the Naqshbandiyyah methodology. So it is upon every tableeghee (one who ascribes to the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh) to make bay’ah of these fundamentals (issues).

A questioner may ask: Indeed this group has corrected its faults (returned to Allaah) as a result of the efforts of many individuals and quite possibly many non-Muslims have accepted Islaam at their hands. Is this not sufficient (proof) for the permissibility of going out with them and participating in that which they call to?

So we say: Indeed we know these words and hear them a lot and know them to emanate from the Soofiyyah! For example, there is a Shaykh whose ‘aqeedah is incorrect and does not know anything about the Sunnah. Instead they deceitfully take from the wealth of the people, so together with this, many open sinners seek forgiveness from them!

So every group which invites to good, then it is imperative they should be in adherence (to the Qur'ân and the Sunnah), and (this) our approach is pure, so what are they (others) calling to?

Are they calling to adherence to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger and the ;aqeedah of the Salaf as-Saalih, abandoning blind following of the madhhabs to such an extent that they adhere to the Sunnah over and above their madhhab!? So the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh do not have a knowledge-based (manhaj), rather, their manhaj is according to the place where they are to be found, so they change their "colours" to suit themselves. [al-Fataawa al-Imaaraatiyyah of al-Albaanee].

Shaykh, ‘Abdur-Razzaaq ‘Afeefee regarding the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh

The Shaykh was asked regarding going out with the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh to remind the people of the Greatness of Allaah.

So the Shaykh said: That which is the case, is that they are innovators and those who adhere to the manhaj of the Qadariyyah and other than them and their going out is not (regarded as) in the Path of Allaah, rather it is in the path of Illiyaas. They do not invite to the Book (of Allaah) [There book is Fazail-e-Aamaal and Bahest-e-Zewar] and nor the Sunnah, rather they invite to Illiyaas, their Shaykh in Bangladesh. [one of their Shaikh]

As for going out with them with the intention to invite to the path of Allaah, then that is (regarded as) going out in the path of Allaah but not that which is going out with the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh.

And I know of the Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh from a long time and they are innovators wherever they may be; Egypt, Israel, America, Saudi Arabia and all of them attach themselves to their Shaykh Illiyaas. [Fataawa wa Rasaa.il Samaahhtu ‘Abdur-Razzaaq ‘Afeefee, Volume 1, Page 174].

And Allaah knows best.

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 8/331
Al-Fataawa al-Imaaraatiyyah of al-Albaanee
Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, Thalaath Mihaadaraat fi’l-‘Ilm wa’l-Da’wah
Fataawa wa Rasaa.il Samaahhtu ‘Abdur-Razzaaq ‘Afeefee, Volume 1, Page 174


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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:34 PM

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:35 PM

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Jad ul Mukhtar Sahib! Mai apni wordings nahi bhola.........Lakin kia kro.......k Hr roz aap ka aik Bowla Bander Sybrite..........mujh se Khoraak mangta hai...........aur isi waja se aap ko jawabat daine ka moqa nahi mil raha...........Aap agr us ki Cheekh o Pukaar band krwa sakte hai........to mai jald hi aap ko jawabat de do ga..........Warna.........Daine to mai ne phir bhi hai.........Albata Thori Takheer ho jae gi............!
Thanx for waitng.............! I will be come to U soon...........!

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 10:40 PM

:lol: Saudi Ulemao ne Tum Deobandis Tablighis ko Mushrik Kabar Parast Biddati Nari Gumrah Kam Ilm Kam Aql Jahil or na jany kin kin Alqaab or Adaab se Nawaaza hai...par Manna parega Namak Halaali Isy kehty hain ki chahy wo lakh aapko jooty ki nok par rakhy (in fatwo ko parho to pata chaly ki nok se bhi Mehroom) bawajood isky Majaal hai apny Wahabi Aaqaao ke liye apky akabir/ aap se ek Tez Lafz bhi nikal jaye :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 11:39 PM

Waisay I know koi khaas faida hona nahi kyu ke isay seedhi salees Urdu samajh nahi aati tu Arabi kya aye gi. Phir doosray members ki info ke liye, kuch aur fatawa hazir hain, direct from Bin Baz's official website!

جماعة الإخوان وجماعة التبليغ هل هما من أهل السنة؟

أخ يسأل عن بعض الجماعات الإسلامية، مثل جماعة التبليغ وجماعة الإخوان المسلمين، ويقول: هل هؤلاء من أهل السنة والجماعة؟


كلهم عندهم نقص، جماعة التبليغ وجماعة الإخوان المسلمين، يجب أن يحاسبوا أنفسهم وأن يستقيموا على الحق، وأن ينفذوا ما دل عليه الكتاب والسنة، في توحيد الله والإخلاص له، والإيـمان به واتباع شريعته، وعلى الإخوان المسلمين وفقهم الله أن يحاسبوا أنفسهم وأن يحكموا شرع الله فيما بينهم، وأن يستقيموا على دين الله: قولاً وعملاً وعقيدة، وأن يحذروا مخالفة أمره أينما كانوا، وعلى جماعة التبليغ أيضاً أن يحذروا ما كان يفعله أسلافهم من تعظيم القبور، والبناء عليها أو جعلها في المساجد أو دعائها والاستغاثة بها، كل هذا من المنكرات، والاستغاثة بها من الشرك الأكبر، فعليهم أن يحذروا ذلك، لهم نشاط في الدعوة إلى الله، وكثير منهم ينفع الله به الناس، لكن عند أسلافهم عقيدة غير صالحة، فيجب على الخلف أن يتطهروا منها، وأن يحذروا العقيدة الرديئة وأن يستقيموا على توحيد الله حتى ينفع الله بهم وبجهادهم.

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جماعة التبليغ، والصلاة في المساجد التي فيها قبور

سؤال من (م. ع) من أمريكا يقول: خرجت مع جماعة التبليغ للهند والباكستان، وكنا نجتمع ونصلي في مساجد يوجد بها قبور، وسمعت أن الصلاة في المسجد الذي يوجد به قبر باطلة فما رأيكم في صلاتي وهل أعيدها؟ وما حكم الخروج معهم لهذه الأماكن؟


بسم الله، والحمد لله، أما بعد:

جماعة التبليغ ليس عندهم بصيرة في مسائل العقيدة فلا يجوز الخروج معهم إلا لمن لديه علم وبصيرة بالعقيدة الصحيحة التي عليها أهل السنة والجماعة حتى يرشدهم وينصحهم ويتعاون معهم على الخير؛ لأنهم نشيطون في عملهم، لكنهم يحتاجون إلى المزيد من العلم، وإلى من يبصرهم من علماء التوحيد والسنة. رزق الله الجميع الفقه في الدين والثبات عليه.

أما الصلاة في المساجد التي فيها القبور فلا تصح، والواجب إعادة ما صليت فيها؛ لقول النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: ((لعن الله اليهود والنصارى اتخذوا قبور أنبيائهم مساجد)) متفق على صحته، وقوله صلى الله عليه وسلم: ((ألا وإن من كان قبلكم كانوا يتخذون قبور أنبيائهم وصالحيهم مساجد، ألا فلا تتخذوا القبور مساجد فإني أنهاكم عن ذلك)) أخرجه مسلم في صحيحه، والأحاديث في هذا الباب كثيرة. وبالله التوفيق، وصلى الله على نبينا محمد وآله وصحبه وسلم.

نشرت في مجلة الدعوة في العدد (1438) بتاريخ 3/11/1414 هـ - مجموع فتاوى ومقالات متنوعة الجزء الثامن.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 11:46 PM

Jad ul Mukhtar Sahib! Mai apni wordings nahi bhola..Lakin kia kro..k Hr roz aap ka aik Bowla Bander Sybrite...mujh se Khoraak mangta hai...aur isi waja se aap ko jawabat daine ka moqa nahi mil raha...Aap agr us ki Cheekh o Pukaar band krwa sakte hai..to mai jald hi aap ko jawabat de do ga...Warna..Daine to mai ne phir bhi hai..Albata Thori Takheer ho jae gi!
Thanx for waitng! I will be come to U soon!


Aap ko sharm aani nahi aur mein ne haath se joota rakhna nahi. Jab tak bakay jao gay maar khatay jao gay. Filhaal tu aap ko aap ke deobandari bhai Peer2009 ne hi zaleel kar diya hai. Last post parhiye un ki aur unn ki daleel dekhiye ke "nice sharing" se khud aap ke chaheeta deobandari bawla kya muraad leta hai :lol:

Jitna tamasha aap ka ban chuka uss per pehlay hi loog hans rahay hain, aur banwana hai tu bakwaas jari rakhiye. Mein tu ab tak tumhari har bakwaas ka postmortem kar chuka, aik aik line quote kar ke. Hanafia Muslimah aur Mutalashi wali apni bakwaas ka jawab sun kar tu aap pehlay hi hawaas'bakhta ho kar faraar ho gaye, ab dekhtay hain iss baar kitnay munh'toor jawabo mein aap ye keh kar faraar hotay hain ke "mein iss topic per baat nahi karo ga".

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Posted 23 February 2009 - 01:07 AM

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Jnab sybarite sahib……….ab jab ke mai aap ki Barelviat ko Wash Room k gatar me itna baha chukka hoo………k……..aur kuch baqi nahi raha…….to tub bhi aap………….q apni aur apni Brelviat ka tamaskhar urane pe bazid hai…………Khuda ki qasam……..koi aur hota to……to is forum pe aana chor daita………lakin aap b aala darja k be-ghairat aur be-sharam brelvi waqe howe hai…………..Aur inshallah isi tarah mujh se zaleel hote rahe gain………..!



Deobandi ki Barsi pe pehle hi bohat kuch keh chukka hoon………lakin tum brelvio ki Behas brae Behas k nateeja me mujhe koi khas interest nahi raha k……….mai fazool me apna waqt tum jaise Jahil logo pe sarf kro………Jin ko itna nahi pata k R.A. se sirf Razi Allah hi nahi bl ke Rehmat Ullah Bhi banta hai………..!



Hanafi wali baat pe apni bakwaas band kre aur……..Dheet bander ki tarah be-shak tasleem na kre……..lakin…….baat itni hai…..k…Hanafi ne bongi mari hai……….aur aap ne Hanafi k Defend k thaika le kr khud ko bhi bonga sabit kr dia hai………….Jitni taweelaat aap ne paish ki hai…….to zra btana k……..Hanafi ko dast lag ge hai……… :lol: k Who apni Safai k lea hazir nahi ho raha aur aik aap hai……..jis ne hr brelvi bander k Difa ka Thaika lia howa hai………….!



Hanafi aur Mutlashi wali baat me ne sirf is lea Baat krna pasand na kia……..q k……….aap ne mere eaterazat k jawab me intehae bhondi aur bongi dallelain paish kr k mujh ko disappoint kr dai…..aur mai smjh gea K Aap k pass koi jawab to hai nahi………..bus behas brae behas ki aadat se majboor ho kr Chablain mar rahe hai……….Lehaza Maqool daleel k bina baat krna aur sun’na fazool hai……….Aur aap jaisa Khar dimagh smjha k mai jawab na dai saka………..! Bander brelvi pehle apni baat me wazan paida kro……..phir baat kro…………..! OK…….?



Aur Munnah ki post pta nahi kab se us forum pe mojod thi……..Meri posting se pehle to Hanafi ko Nice Sharing Kehne ki tofeeq nahi hoi………Aur jaise hi mai ne posting ki to Hanafi kO Jaise dast lagna band ho ge……… :lol: aur us ne foran Nice Sharing Ka thappa laga dia……….!

Hai na heart ki baat ……..Halwe k Pujari……..!



Haram ka Halwa kha kha k aql bhi hawas bakhta ho chuki hai aap ki……….! Aap ne Saudi Mufti ka fatwa dikha k agr sabit krne ki koshish ki hai………….to mai ab bhi itna hi kaho ga k Saudia me Jammat pe koi pabandi nahi……………aur waha pe kaam bhi ho raha hai…………aur Saudi Government k ilm me bhi yeh baat hai k Jamaat waha pe kaam kr rahi hai……..bl ke………….Saudi Ulema bhi Tableeghi jamaat me chal rahe hain…………..! Ab aap ko na man’ne ki Bemaari hai……….To hoti rahe………Apna Sir dewaar pe maraain aur Sari Dunya ko bataain………Lakin Sach Sach hai……….aur aap ki cheekh o pukaar se kuch nahi hone wala……….!



Jaha tak aap ne qadyaniat ki misaal de kr sabit krne ki koshish ki hai……..to Jahil brelvi tujh ko itna nahi pata k misaal kaise di jati hai……..aur agr misaal di bhi jae to zra khopri me se bhus ko nikal dia jae…….? Pakistan me Qadyanio k markaz hai……….lakin who agr tableegh krte bhi hai……..to intehae secret andaz me k Govt ko bhi khaber na hoon………………..q k agr govt ko pata chal jae to sakhat saza hai is bare mai………….Lakin Saudia me to aisi koi baat nahi……! Sub ko pat hai k fala masjid mr jamaat ae hoi hai……….aur Taleem ho rahi hai………Aur kabhi kuch nahi howa……….Ban hota to tableegh krte howe pakre jane pr sakhat saza aur fines waghaira hote……….!



Kuch Smjh lagi k aql waqae Brelviat k Bath Room me beh chuki hai……? Ainda Misaal zra soch smjh k daina…………Ullo! :lol:



Mai aik bar phir aap ki aql pe laanat bhaijo ga jis ko abhi tak itna nahi pta chal raha k Misaal kaisi di jati hai………! Aap ne jis Ghair Muslim ka hawala dia k who chup k Hajj aur Dosre Maqamaat ko daikh aya…….To Chabal Insaan……….mujhe itna bta k……Who to chup k waha se ho aya……..aur kia possible hai k………….10-15 afraad jo k pakistaan se ikhatte Saudia Arabia pohnchte hai……….aur jin k Hulyeh aur Samaan se saaf pta chal raha hota hai………..k Tableeghi hai………aur jo k pet 40 din k lea waha pe aate hai………aur jo k waha pe saaf batate hai…..k who tableegh k irada se waha pe ae hai…………un ka Saudia Arbia ki government aur intelligence ko tub bhi pta na chale k Tableeghi ban k bawajood Saudia me ghus ae hai……………? Subhan Allah!

Zra mulahiza ho k compare kia ja rah hai Ghair muslimo ki khufia entry ko Tableeghi jamaat ki entry k sath……..Jo k Saudia Arabia ki Embassy se bhi clear ho jate hai………aur Saudia ja kr Masjido me kam bhi krte hai……..aur aik Brelvi Bander keh raha hai k who chup chup k khufia tableegh kr rahe hai……………Lanat hai tumhari Mehdood aql pe!

Ab aisi bongi pe to mai itna hi keh sakta hoo k Baita Sybrite Ab tum Behas se retire ho chuke ho aur behter ho ga k ab baqi zindagi Kisi Aastan e Aalia pe basr krne ka program bna lo……………! Tumharay Boday Dalael ab Khak me milte ja rahe hai………….!



Be logical for always in your pathetic & Dull life………! Ok……….? :lol:



Aur jo aap farma rahe ho k mai rad me koi fatwa paish kro to jnab Jab haqeeqt samne hai k Tableeghi jamaat waha pe kaam kr rahi hai to Fatwa kia dikhana……..! Haqeeqt hi ko daikh lain aur maan lain warna rag alapte rahai k mai na manoo haar………! Ho sakta hai kisi zamana me fatwa aya ho…………..lakin Fatwa to aate rehte hai aur jate rehte hai……….! Fatwa to kisi bhi mufti ko chand paisay de k lia ja sakta hai aaj kal………….! Aur khair se aap k brelvi Ulema to in kamo me waise hi bohal hazrat hai………….Jo k aik plate Halwa pe bhi fatwa daine pe tayyar ho jate hain……………! :lol:





Aur ab aate hai us point pe jis pe mujhe 100 percent umeed thi k is point pe Tum jaise Khabees aur Ziddi Brelvi k Ghubare se na sirf hawa nikal jae gi bl ke who dum daba k bhag bhi jae ga……………! Aur wohi howa! Ab bhi na mano o mai kia keh sakta hoon………Apne hi forum pe apne hi bander bradri k samne zaleel ho rahe ho aur mai bhi to yehi chahta hoon!

Smjh lag gae ho gi k mai kis point ki baat kr raha hoo……….! Israel wale point pe………..! Mere aik hi sawal ka jawab na de sake aap………aur aap ki munafiqat khul kr samne aagae……..aur phir kehte hi k:



<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Aap ke rhetorical sawal ka jawab dena zaroori nahi</H1>



BOHAT KHOOB! Jab aap k pas jawab hi nahi to zaroori bhi nahi k jawab dia jae…….! Ab phatti na brelviat ki dhoti zra dhamake se……………! Bus ho gae bolti band……………! Mera ab bhi wohi sawal hai…………….! Aur mai janta hoo k aap next posting me Wash Room k gatar se bahir nikal kr apni kuch khiffat mitane ki nakam koshish bhi kro ge………..lakin baharhal aap ko fil waqt be-bas daikh kr mujhe intehae khushi mehsoos ho rahi hai……………..! Islamic mehfil k administrator bne ho to zra jawabaat bhi apne pass rakha kro…………..! OK……? I m still waiting for ur answer………………!



Sarabio wale topic pe bhi aap ki be-basi tapak tapak k tapakti ja rahi hai…………Matlab k khatam me hi nahi hon eko a rahi……….! Jnab aap ko kis ne keh dia k sharabio ko pakar k un se sirf gusht hi krwaya jata hai………? Shab e Juma……….Seh Roze………..40 din……….Aur…….Fazael e Aamaal ki taleem me bitha kr iislah bhi ki jati hai……………! Aap logo ki tarah sirf Halwa party nahi ki jati………Jis me loog sirf halawa khane hi aate hai………aur Langer k baad yeh ja aur who ja…………!

Aur tabhi to me kaho………….k hr majlis aur Program k poster k neechay bra bar q likha jata hai:



MEHFIL K IKHTATAM ME LANGER KA WASEE INTEZAAM HO GA



Acha tareeqa hai bhi logo ko phansane ka…………Haalwa Incentive de kr apni be-ronaq majliso ko bharne ka……………..! Keep it up Bander Bradri….! :lol: :lol:



Sybrite tumhae chablain marne ka shoq hai k……………Majbori hai………?



Kia tableegh aur Dawat IL LaLLah Nabiyo ka kam nahi hai………..?

Agr nahi to phir Tumhari Dawat r Ghair Islami kis ki ittiba me Kam kr rahi hai………? Kis Nabi ne Logo ko Allah ki taraf nahi bulaya…..? Hazoor (S.A.W) Kitni martaba Abu Jehal K daewaze pe ge………..? Kuch pta bhi hai aap ko…………k………..bus batain jharne ka shoq hai ………….?

Mujhe to aap is field me intehae Jahil aur Haqaeq se na ashna mehsoos ho rahe hai…………..! Isi se pta chal raha hai k Dawat E Ghair islami kitne pani me hai………..aur kin asoloo pe chal rahi hai……….!



Kaam nabiyon wala hai means k dosro ko Allah ki taraf bulana……..yeh kaam Nabiyon ne kia………..aur isi munasibat se kaha jata hai……..! Nabiyon k Naozubillah Gunahgar krne wali ajeeb mantaq aap hi ne khooli hai…………pta nahi kia kehna chahte hai aap………..? Bongiyan aur mazeed bongiyan mare jao sybarite jee!



Awwaleen asool means k basic bato me se hai k Baat krne wale ki taraf na daikho bl ke daiko k Baat kis ki ho rahi hai……..Aur baat to Allah aur us k Rasool (S.A.W) Ki ho rahi hoti hai…………..!

Kuch palle pra k nikal gea…………..? Aik to hr baat ko khool khool k beyan krna parta hai in jahilo k samne………..!



Jahil Brelvi…………..Haram ka halwa kha k mere se behas na hi kia kro………q k jis shakhs ko itna nahi pta k Hadees Ko beyan kaise kia jata hai to ab mai us se kia matthha lagao………………?

Hadees ka mafhoom is lea kaha jata hai k agr hum alfaz ba alfaz wohi baat jo Hazoor (S.A.W) ne beyan ki hai…………na beyan kr sake……..ya hum ko unhi alfaz k sath yad na ho…………..to phir Ahteyat ka takaza hai k hum Hadees ka mafhoom beyan kr dain……..Bcoz Hazoor (S.A.W) ne us shakhs k lea waeed farmae jo k AAP (S.A.W) K farmaan k saheh biyan na krain……………! Aur us mafhoom me wohi baat aez ki jati hai jo k Hadees ka asl hoti hai………! To smjh me ay baat Jahil Raza Khani……….!



Aur aakhr me hasb e aadat mere 2 sawalo l jawabaat k badla me bongiyan maar k aap ne phir sabit kia k aap sara din aik janwar ki tarah bhoo bhoo to kr sakte hai mgr………Dhang se aur bande ka puttar bn k to the point jawabat nahi de sakte…………!



Ab koi Sybrite ki bokhlahat mulahiza kre k jo 2 dino se sirf is baat pe uchal kood kr rah hai k Saudia me Jamaat ka dakhla momnooh hai…….aur jo apni munafiqat pe bhi be-ghairat hi raha………ab who is opinion pe aa gea hai k:



Pabandi ya Fatwa sahi lagaya ke nahi iss per behes nahi, filhaal behes iss per hai ke pabandi ya fatwa aya ke nahi. Hum ne sabit kar diya ke fatwa bhi aya aur aya bhi Grand Mufti ki taraf se.





Pichli posting me bhi mai ne kaha tha k pehle aap baat kr rahe the Momnooh hone ki aur baad meaap aa ge Choori choori pe……Jis ko mai ne ghalat sabit kr dia……….Ab bander Raza khani kehta hai k Filhal pehas is pe hai k Pabandi ya Fatwa aya k nahi……….? Mulahiza ho bongi in ki…………! Goya asal topic se bhagte bhagte ab fatwa pe baat le ae hai………….! Aur jo mai sabit kr chukka hoo Haqeqat se k Tableeghi jamat waha pe mojod hai aur Saudia ki permission aur un k jante howe kaam kr rahi hai…….us k samne us fatwa ki ab bhala koi haqeeqat reh jati hai jnab………….? To jnab sub ne daikh lia aur achi tarah daikh lia k fatwa aya lakin ab aap bhi aankhain phar k daikh lain k Tableeghi waha pe bare dharalle se mojod bhi hai aur chori chori kam bhi nahi kr rahe hai…………!

Koi kaam ki baat kro…………Agr nahi to munh me choosni daal k baith jao aik taraf…………Aap k aur bhi bhai mujh se baat krne k muntazir baithe hai……….Kam se kam Shayed un me hi kuch ilm ho…………….!



Same is the case in 2nd question! Baat ko ghuma phira kr kaha se kaha le gain aap……..! jnab sub biddatain aap k aqaeed hi mt rachi basu hoi hai…….Aap logo ka to emaan hi Bidaato k sahara pe qaem hai…….! Qabr e Athar ko Sajda krna aur waha pe zoor zoor se Assalat parhna aap k emaan ka hissa hi ban chukka hai……….yeh alag baat k Shurtao ko daikhte hi aap brelvio ki rooh pervaaz kr jati hai…….. :lol: aur banday k putar ban jate hai…………aur baz aap jaise dheet jo k aisi kharafaat kp bhi adab ka darja daite hai……….to who phir sub k samne maar kha k bhi Ahmqana khayal sochte hai k yeh to nasseb wali maar hai…………! :lol:

Next posting me gatar se bahir nikal kr to the point baat krna…….warna tumhari bakwaasat ki bjae ho mai Jad dul Mukhtar k sawalat k jawabat daina ziada pasand kro ga…………..Ok….?



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Posted 23 February 2009 - 03:04 AM

Jnab sybarite sahib….ab jab ke mai aap ki Barelviat ko Wash Room k gatar me itna baha chukka hoo…k aur kuch baqi nahi raha .to tub bhi aap .q apni aur apni Brelviat ka tamaskhar urane pe bazid hai Khuda ki qasam.koi aur hota to…to is forum pe aana chor daita lakin aap b aala darja k be-ghairat aur be-sharam brelvi waqe howe hai..Aur inshallah isi tarah mujh se zaleel hote rahe gain………..!


Yaha mujhay kuch kehnay ki tu zaroorat hi nahi. Kis ne apnay maslak ka mazak banaya aur kaun lachar aurato ke se andaaz mein shoor'sharaba kar raha hai ye sab per wazeh hai. Ab zahir hai, jootay paray hain tu cheekhein tu niklein gi. Tu cheekhtay rahiye! :lol:

Deobandi ki Barsi pe pehle hi bohat kuch keh chukka hoon………lakin tum brelvio ki Behas brae Behas k nateeja me mujhe koi khas interest nahi raha k……….mai fazool me apna waqt tum jaise Jahil logo pe sarf kro………Jin ko itna nahi pata k R.A. se sirf Razi Allah hi nahi bl ke Rehmat Ullah Bhi banta hai………..!


Miya aap tu pehlay hawalay per hi jawab nahi de pa rahay thay, ooper se aap ke sarr per doosra bomb bhi gira diya Ehtishaam-ul-Haq Thanvi ki barsi ke hawalay ki soorat mein tu aap aisay sannatay mein aye ke bus! Aur ye R.A wali baat samajh nahi aiee miya jee. Uss topic mein aap ne aiteraaz "R.A" per nahi balkay ye keh kar kiya tha;

AAp l AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALA Hazrat kab se " SAHABI" bAN GE HAI JO aaP UN K naam k baad Razi Allah Likh rahe ho?

Lagta hai joota sarr per bohut zoor se para hai, dimaagh ki saari choolein hill gai hain aap ki. Apni hi baato ka radd khud hi kar rahay hain! Aur ab uss post ko edit karne ki koshish na kijiye ga, aur tamasha banay ga!

Hanafi wali baat pe apni bakwaas band kre aur……..Dheet bander ki tarah be-shak tasleem na kre……..lakin…….baat itni hai…..k…Hanafi ne bongi mari hai……….aur aap ne Hanafi k Defend k thaika le kr khud ko bhi bonga sabit kr dia hai………….Jitni taweelaat aap ne paish ki hai…….to zra btana k……..Hanafi ko dast lag ge hai……… :lol: k Who apni Safai k lea hazir nahi ho raha aur aik aap hai……..jis ne hr brelvi bander k Difa ka Thaika lia howa hai………….!

Hanafi aur Mutlashi wali baat me ne sirf is lea Baat krna pasand na kia……..


Miya jee, Hanafi Muslimah wali baat per tu aap ke chehray per khud aap ke bhai Peer2009 nay hi thook diya! Peer2009 ki post se munh kyu chupa rahay hain?

saybrite sahib aap ke munafikat khul ker samne agaye h zhair he mane ge to nahi me ne kaha nice sharing.kiya ghulam msutafa ne sahring ki thi . afsos . muanfik me bralvi pehle number per he. jessy kokab norani loll.ab matem karo aap log ke woh kiya keh gaya


Ye wohi baat hai jo mein ne kahi thi aur aap ne iss daleel ko qubool nahi kya tha aur issi ko daleel bana kar aap ka deobandari bhai aap ke munh per thook raha hai. Pehlay apas mein faisla kar lijiye ke kaun si daleel qubool hai, warna sab se qawwi daleel tu yehi hai ke Hanafi Muslimah ne aap wahabiyo ke sharr se bachne ki dua ki!

Waisay aap ki jahalat ka mein qayal ho gaya. "Hanafi Muslimah" parhne ke baad bhi aap kehtay hain ke "
Hanafi ko dast lag ge hai……… k Who apni Safai k lea hazir nahi ho raha". Pehlay Urdu tu seekh lijiye. Hum sunniyo mein khawateen aap ki be'ghairat auratoo ki tarah danday le kar jihaad per nikalti! Aap jaisay choohay marnay ke liye Sunni mard tu kya sunni bachay hi bohut hain. So yaha Hanafi Muslimah ka bhai hai aap jaisay chichooro ko apni auqaat yaad dilanay ke liye. Hum aap deobandariyo ki tarah auratoo ko nahi laratay jaisay aap hazrat ne Jamia Hafsa mein kya! Burqa'posh mujahid! :lol:

Ab kutta agar kahay ke mein shair hun tu shayad uss ke saathi kuttay bhi na maanein. Issi liye aap jis daleel ko qubool nahi kar rahay thay wohi daleel aap ke saathi Peer2009 ne de kar aap ke munh per joota marr diya. Ab aik taang per aap jitna chahain phudak lein ke daleel qabil-e-qubool nahi, ye nahi hai, woh nahi hai.. iss se sachai per koi farq nahi parta.

Apni baat mein agar sachay hotay tu meri daleel ka radd kartay jo aap se kya aap ki poori deobandiyatt se na ho sakay ga InshAllah!

Aur Munnah ki post pta nahi kab se us forum pe mojod thi……..Meri posting se pehle to Hanafi ko Nice Sharing Kehne ki tofeeq nahi hoi………Aur jaise hi mai ne posting ki to Hanafi kO Jaise dast lagna band ho ge……… :lol: aur us ne foran Nice Sharing Ka thappa laga dia……….!

Hai na heart ki baat ……..Halwe k Pujari……..!


Lijiye, zaleel honay ki aur raah dhoond li aap ne.

Aray deobandari, ye tu batao ke kya tumhare forums mein har member per pabandi hai ke har topic mein forun forun reply karein? Kya tamaam members paband hain ke har topic per aik makhsoos waqt ke andar andar hi reply karien?

Hanafi Muslimah ne apni sahoolat ke mutabiq jab jee chaha post ki! Aap ki ajeeb-o-ghareeb mantak ke hisaab se dekha jaye tu "
Ismail Qateel per Angraiz Doosti ka Aitraaz Ka Jawab" walay topic per aap ke deobandari Taha Ali ne post ki 3 Jan ko, aur uss per Peer2009 ne "nice sharing" ka reply dya 6 Jan ko, tu 3 din tak kya aap ke Peer2009 bhai deoband mein koi "Chaarpai Treatment" le rahay thay?

Aur mujhay koi tu usool, koi to qaida bataye ke jis se kisi member ka kafi arsay baad kisi post per reply karnay ka ye matlab ho jo aap le rahay hain. Aur agar ho sakay tu, waisay I know mushkil hai, lekin phir koshish kar ke jo points mein ne pehlay diye hain iss zaman mein uss ka tu jawab dein. Abhi tu ye chal raha hai ke aap ke aik sawal per aap ko joota parta hai tu uss ko choor kar doosra sawal le atay hain. Pehlay unn points per tu baat kar lijiye, ya tu un ko radd kijiye ya qubool. Har baar naya shoosha choorne se kya faida? Har baar naya joota parr jaye ga :rolleyes:

Aap ne Saudi Mufti ka fatwa dikha k agr sabit krne ki koshish ki hai to mai ab bhi itna hi kaho ga k Saudia me Jammat pe koi pabandi nahi aur waha pe kaam bhi ho raha hai aur Saudi Government k ilm me bhi yeh baat hai k Jamaat waha pe kaam kr rahi hai bl ke Saudi Ulema bhi Tableeghi jamaat me chal rahe hain! Ab aap ko na man’ne ki Bemaari hai To hoti rahe Apna Sir dewaar pe maraain aur Sari Dunya ko bataain Lakin Sach Sach hai aur aap ki cheekh o pukaar se kuch nahi hone wala!

Pakistan me Qadyanio k markaz hai….lakin who agr tableegh krte bhi hai….to intehae secret andaz me k Govt ko bhi khaber na hoon .........


Gangohi ke shouq ka nishana ban chukay hain lagta hai aap isi liye har baar aik nai kahani latay hain zaleel honay ke liye. Chaliye ye tu aap ne apni zaban se iqraar kar liya ke hum ne Saudi ke Grand Mufti ka fatwa paish kiya aur aap ke pass uss ke radd mein kuch nahi warna iss fatwa ka radd paish kar chukay hotay.

Ab ye bataiye ke hum ne tu aap ko saboot de diye. Kya aap ke paas koi saboot hai apni baat ko sabit karne ke liye? Agar koi saboot hai tu paish karein nahi tu aap ki iss tarah bacho ke se andaaz mein roonay aur shoor machanay se kuch sabit tu nahi hoga. Aap saboot paish kar dein, agar sacha huwa tu aap ki baat maan lein gay. Agar saboot nahi tu phir hum aik bawlay deobandari jis ki deobandariyo mein bhi koi auqaat nahi, matlab aap koi mashoor deobandari tu hain nahi, tu phir aap ki baat ko baghair saboot kyu maan liya jaye?

Chaliye shabaash ab roona band kijiye aur achay bacho ki tarah koshish kar ke saboot jama kijiye. Aur haa! Mummy se shikayat na kijiye ga ke forum per zaleel kartay hain loog, woh aap ki madad nahi kar sakein gi, yaha aap ki madad sirf dalail-o-saboot kar saktay hain.


Aur humara mutaliba yehi hai ke aap sabit kar dein ke Tablighi Jamat waha chup ke secret andaaz mein kaam nahi karti aur Saudi Government ko maloom hota hai ke fala masjid mein jamaat aee huwi hai aur phir bhi woh koi action nahi leti. Ab aisa tu ho nahi sakta ke aap bolein aur hum bila'tasdeeq maan lein. Aap saboot de dijiye hum aap ki baat maan lien gay. Aur apnay bhai Peer2009 ki iss baat per thori rooshni daaliye

han iek he itan oppenly nahi hota jitna pak ma ya kaye aur hota he


Iss baat ki koi wajeh bhi bataye ke agar koi pabandi nahi tu phir itna "openly" kaam kyu nahi karti aap ki Tablighi Jamat waha? Aur yaad rakhiye ke ye statement aik deobandari ka hai!

Aap ne jis Ghair Muslim ka hawala dia k who chup k Hajj aur Dosre Maqamaat ko daikh aya…To Chabal Insaan….mujhe itna bta k……Who to chup k waha se ho aya……..aur kia possible hai k….10-15 afraad jo k pakistaan se ikhatte Saudia Arabia pohnchte hai…aur jin k Hulyeh aur Samaan se saaf pta chal raha hota hai….k Tableeghi hai…...

Zra mulahiza ho k compare kia ja rah hai Ghair muslimo ki khufia entry ko Tableeghi jamaat ki entry k sath……..Jo k Saudia Arabia ki Embassy se bhi clear ho jate hai………aur Saudia ja kr Masjido me kam bhi krte hai……..aur aik Brelvi Bander keh raha hai k who chup chup k khufia tableegh kr rahe hai……………Lanat hai tumhari Mehdood aql pe!


Haha!! Aik aur bohut hi umda aiteraaf kar liya aap ne!

aur jin k Hulyeh aur Samaan se saaf pta chal raha hota hai………..k Tableeghi hai

Matlab aam musalmaan aur Tablighiyo ke hulya mein farq hota hai? Kya Tablighiyo ke sarr per seengh hotay hain? haha!! Matlab aik tarah se aap iqraar kar chukay ke Tablighiyo ka hulya aam musalmaano jaisa nahi hota.

Baqi jaisa ke mein pehlay keh chuka ke aap saboot paish kar dein ke Tablighi Jamat waha bilkul openly, khullam khulla bata kar ke hum Deobandari hain aur Tabligh karne aye hain keh kar jaati hai etc. Jitni baatein aap ne kahien sab apni jageh lekin inn ka saboot kaun de ga? Kya Thanvi sajab qabar phaar ke aien gay ya Gangohi Sahab chaarpai se bara'madd hon gay? Aakhir in sari baato ka saboot kaun de ga?

Tu aap ke khayal mein woh kafir Saudi Embassy se clear ho kar nahi gaya tha balkay aasman se tapka tha direct Makka Mukaramma mein? Mera mashwara hai ke woh kitab parh lijiye, uss mein uss ne poori tafseel likhi hai ke kitnay saal woh Sindh mein raha aur kis tarah Afghani Musalman ban kar Saudi Arabia mein ghussa.

Ab aisi bongi pe to mai itna hi keh sakta hoo k Baita Sybrite Ab tum Behas se retire ho chuke ho aur behter ho ga k ab baqi zindagi Kisi Aastan e Aalia pe basr krne ka program bna lo……………! Tumharay Boday Dalael ab Khak me milte ja rahe hai………….!

Be logical for always in your pathetic & Dull life………! Ok……….?


Chaliye mere dalail ko bonga maan bhi liya jaye tu janab aap ki baato ka saboot kaha hai? Mein retirement ki fiker chooriye saboot paish karne ki fikar kijiye. Aap ke apnay deobandari ka qoul aap ke khilaaf jaa raha hai pehlay uss ki fikar karein. :lol:

Aur kyu bila'wajeh angraizi istilahaat ki taangein toor rahay hain. Nahi aati English tu koi baat nahi, iss mein kuch bura nahi. Aap Urdu mein bhi tanz kar saktay hain kisi ne rooka thori hai. Magar ye lateefa suna kar hansaana band karein!

Aur jo aap farma rahe ho k mai rad me koi fatwa paish kro to jnab Jab haqeeqt samne hai k Tableeghi jamaat waha pe kaam kr rahi hai to Fatwa kia dikhana! Haqeeqt hi ko daikh lain aur maan lain warna rag alapte rahai k mai na manoo haar! Ho sakta hai kisi zamana me fatwa aya ho lakin Fatwa to aate rehte hai aur jate rehte hai! Fatwa to kisi bhi mufti ko chand paisay de k lia ja sakta hai aaj kal! Aur khair se aap k brelvi Ulema to in kamo me waise hi bohal hazrat hai Jo k aik plate Halwa pe bhi fatwa daine pe tayyar ho jate hain! :lol:


Matlab aap deobadnariyo wahabiyo ke yaha fatwo ka yehi mayaar hai ke aatay rehtay hain aur jaatay rehtay hain! Allah-o-Akbar matlab aap ke yaha sach mein mufti nahi balkay muftay paye jatay hain. Iss se bara deen ka mazaak kya hoga ke Fatwa, Islamic Verdict ko tamasha samjha huwa ke aatay rehtay hain jatay rehtay hain. Koi ba'eed aap hazrat ke yaha aqeeda bhi aisay hi aata rehta hoga, jata rehta hoga!

Aur rahi baat haqeeqat samnay honay ki tu haqeeqat paish kijiye na! Aap ne keh diya tu haqeeqat ban gai. Abhi tak aap ne kaun sa saboot paish kar diya. Sirf yehi kehtay aa rahay hain ke aisa hota hai waisa hota hai, saboot koi nahi!

Paiso per fatwa dene ki baat bhi khoob yaad dilai. Awwal tu fatwa paish kiya hai Saudi Grand Mufti Bin Baz ka, jo ke Wahabiya ka Commander in Cheif tha apnay waqt mein so uss ke yaha paisay ka tu masla hi nahi ke usay rishwat de kar fatwa likhwa liya jaye. Waisay ahista ahista aap ki ilmiyaat ka sara bhaanda phoot raha hai. Mousof Saudi Grand Mufti ko paisay khilanay ki baat kartay hain! Iss Grand Mufti ko Saudi ke Shahi Khazanay se hi itna mil jata hoga ke thookay tu aap deobandari ke mullay thook chaatnay jama ho jaye gay ke kahi koi riyaal aa jaye haath mein.

Waisay Star TV walay Fatwa Scandal ka qissa phir se duhranay ki zaroorat hai kya? Imrana Rape Case per deobandriyo ka ajeeb-o-ghareeb original fatwa moujod hai mere paas, shouq hai tu dhikao?

Smjh lag gae ho gi k mai kis point ki baat kr raha hoo! Israel wale point pe! Mere aik hi sawal ka jawab na de sake aap aur aap ki munafiqat khul kr samne aagae aur phir kehte hi k:

<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Aap ke rhetorical sawal ka jawab dena zaroori nahi</H1>

BOHAT KHOOB! Jab aap k pas jawab hi nahi to zaroori bhi nahi k jawab dia jae…….!


Miya jee, usooli tour per tu jawab aap ne pehlay dena hai :) kyu ke sawal beher'haal mein ne pehlay paish kiya tha, aur aik baar bhi nahi 2 baar repeat kar chuka sawal ko. Lekin aap ki ghairat ne phir bhi josh nahi mara aur ab bhi aap jawab dene se qasir hain.

Ab aiye aap ke sawal ki taraf. Pehlay tu ye dekhiye ke aap ka sawal hai hi rhetorical. Iss ka matlab shayad aap ko samajh nahi aya hoga :lol: Rhetorical question matlab aisa sawal jis ka maqsad jawab lena nahi balkay sirf aik ta'surr paida karna ho.

Aap ka tu sawal hai "bil'farz" per pabni hai! Bil'farz aisa ho tu aap kya karein gay? Bil'farz aisa hoga tu waisa hoga ke nahi? Aur aap ke ya sawal mujh se karna tu sara'sarr be'waqoofi hai. Mein kya Dawat-e-Islami ka tan'tanha zimaydaar hun jo apni marzi se bata don ke youn hoga tu aisa karein gay? Mein agar jawaban keh don NAHI! tu aap ko tassali ho jaye gi kya? Usooli tour per tu aap ko chahiye ke Dawat-e-Islami ki website per jaa ke ye sawal post kar dein. Aik official jawab aap ko mil jaye ga jis ki base per aap agay baat bhi kar sakein gay.

Ab mein aap se aap hi ki tarah ka aik sawal karta hun lekin iss ko thanday dimaagh se sooch kar samajh kar parhiye ga.

Bil'farz agar aap walid aap ko apni hamsheera ke saath bad'kaari karne ka hukm dein aur aap ki hamsheera bhi raazi ho tu aap kya karien gay?


Ab iss per shoor'sharaba na machaiye ga. Baat sirf aap ko samjhanay ke liye ki hai aur "bil'farz" ke saath ki hai. Ye wohi "bil'farz" hai jisay ke istemaal se aap ke mullay Qasim Nanotwi ke Inkaar-e-Khatm-e-Nabuwatt ki taweelein ghartay hain.

Umeed hai aap ki baat ka jawab mil gaya, ab ye bataiye ke mere sawalo ke jawabaat kab dein gay?
Janab, agar kahein tu poori list bana do unn sawalaat ki jin ka jawab aap ne abhi tak nahi diya? Filhaal tu aap iss Israel walay mouzo per hi seedhay se sawalo ka jawab de dijiye tu hi bohut hai.

Jnab aap ko kis ne keh dia k sharabio ko pakar k un se sirf gusht hi krwaya jata hai? Shab e Juma Seh Roze 40 din Aur Fazael e Aamaal ki taleem me bitha kr iislah bhi ki jati hai!


Tu janab mein ne bhi ye kab kaha ke unhay pakar kar SIRF ghasht hi karwaya jata hai? Mera tu aiteraaz ye hai ke Gasht mein unhay pakar kar unn se talqeen kyu karwaee jati hai! Pehlay unki islaah kar ke iss qabil tu banaye ke woh kisi ko talqeen karne ke layak banay!

Kia tableegh aur Dawat IL LaLLah Nabiyo ka kam nahi hai………..?

Agr nahi to phir Tumhari Dawat r Ghair Islami kis ki ittiba me Kam kr rahi hai………? Kis Nabi ne Logo ko Allah ki taraf nahi bulaya…..? Hazoor (S.A.W) Kitni martaba Abu Jehal K daewaze pe ge………..? Kuch pta bhi hai aap ko…………k………..bus batain jharne ka shoq hai ………….?


Be'shakk Tabligh Nabiyo ka hi kaam hai. Ab ye baat kar ke kitna bura phansay hain aap iss ka aap ko andaza bhi nahi. Islam ki tareekh mein dikha dijiye ke kisi Nabi ne iss andaz mein tabligh ki ho jaisay aap ki loota'chaap tablighi jamat karti hai.

Kitnay Anbiya ne seh'roza, chillay aur 4 maheenay katay? Kitnay Anbiya ne Madni Masjid mien Shabb-e-Jumma ke naam per 1 dish party ki?

Sirf koi 1 hawala! Zyada nahi maangta mein koi aik saboot de do ke Anbiya mein se kisi ne bhi tum khabeeso ke jahilana andaaz mein tabligh ki ho. Na tumhari taleem Nabiyo wali hai na tumhara tareeqa nabiyo wala hai. Aur iss ka saboot bhi agli posts mein aa raha hai woh bhi tumhari Tablighi Jamat ke Founder ke alfaaz mein!

Awwaleen asool means k basic bato me se hai k Baat krne wale ki taraf na daikho bl ke daiko k Baat kis ki ho rahi hai.Aur baat to Allah aur us k Rasool (S.A.W) Ki ho rahi hoti hai!

Kuch palle pra k nikal gea? Aik to hr baat ko khool khool k beyan krna parta hai in jahilo k samne!


Munh chupa kar apnay burqa'posh mujahid ki tarah bhaagiye matt! Mera sawal ye nahi ke awaleen usool ka matlab kya hai, mera sawal ye hai ke ye awwaleen usool aap ne kaha se liya? Quran se, Hadith se, Aqwal-e-Aimma se? Jaha se ye awwaleen usool lya hai woh reference qoute kar dein bus!

Aap ne khud apni guddi mere haath mein de di hai miya jee! Itni asaani se nahi chootay gi ab ye gardan :lol:

Hadees ka mafhoom is lea kaha jata hai k agr hum alfaz ba alfaz wohi baat jo Hazoor (S.A.W) ne beyan ki hai…na beyan kr sake ya hum ko unhi alfaz k sath yad na ho…to phir Ahteyat ka takaza hai k hum Hadees ka mafhoom beyan kr dain…Bcoz Hazoor (S.A.W) ne us shakhs k lea waeed farmae jo k AAP (S.A.W) K farmaan k saheh biyan na krain! Aur us mafhoom me wohi baat aez ki jati hai jo k Hadees ka asl hoti hai!


Janab Hadith ka poora reference quote kijiye! Hadith hai tu kahi likhi hogi naa? Bukhari mein, Muslim mein, kahi tu likhi hogi ya phir deobandariyo ne khud hadith bhi likhna shuru kar di hai? Chaliye shabaash rooiye matt, hadith ka poora hawala dijiye takay hum bhi parh kar iss hadith se faiz hasil karein.


Ab koi Sybrite ki bokhlahat mulahiza kre k jo 2 dino se sirf is baat pe uchal kood kr rah hai k Saudia me Jamaat ka dakhla momnooh hai…….aur jo apni munafiqat pe bhi be-ghairat hi raha………ab who is opinion pe aa gea hai k:

Pabandi ya Fatwa sahi lagaya ke nahi iss per behes nahi, filhaal behes iss per hai ke pabandi ya fatwa aya ke nahi. Hum ne sabit kar diya ke fatwa bhi aya aur aya bhi Grand Mufti ki taraf se.

Pichli posting me bhi mai ne kaha tha k pehle aap baat kr rahe the Momnooh hone ki aur baad meaap aa ge Choori choori pe Jis ko mai ne ghalat sabit kr dia.Ab bander Raza khani kehta hai k Filhal pehas is pe hai k Pabandi ya Fatwa aya k nahi? Mulahiza ho bongi in ki! Goya asal topic se bhagte bhagte ab fatwa pe baat le ae hai! Aur jo mai sabit kr chukka hoo Haqeqat se k Tableeghi jamat waha pe mojod hai aur Saudia ki permission aur un k jante howe kaam kr rahi ha.us k samne us fatwa ki ab bhala koi haqeeqat reh jati hai jnab? To jnab sub ne daikh lia aur achi tarah daikh lia k fatwa aya lakin ab aap bhi aankhain phar k daikh lain k Tableeghi waha pe bare dharalle se mojod bhi hai aur chori chori kam bhi nahi kr rahe hai!


Mein tu ab bhi keh raha hun ke Pabandi hai aur iss ke saboot mein fatawa bhi paish kar chuka. Arabi bhi dikha di, English bhi dikha di aur scan pages bhi dikha diye Tablighi Jamat ki mukhalifat mein. Aap ne ab tak kya dikhaya? Apni deobandari jahalat ke namoonay aur bus? Choori chuppay kaam karnay per tu khud aap ke deobandari bhai Peer2009 ne gawahi de di. Uss per bhi aap ki bolti band hai.

Mera ab tu aap se iss mouzo per sirf aik sawal hai. Aakhir aap ke pass kya saboot hai ke pabandi nahi? Ya aap chahtay hain ke sab ke sab bus aap ki baat ko asmaani hukm samajh kar sach maan lein?

Ab aap ne aik naya dawa kar diya ke;

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aur Saudia ki permission aur un k jante howe kaam kr rahi ha"

Humara dawa hai ke pabandi hai aur iss zaman mein hum ne fatawa dikha diye. Aap ka dawa hai ke permission hai, aap iss daway ko sabit karne ke liye koi saboot de dijiye, masla hall ho jaye ga.

Masla sirf itna hai ke aap hain 2 takkay ke maamoli deobandari jisay khud apni deobandari jamaat ki hi tafseel nahi pata, tu saboot lana tu phir durr ki baat.

Same is the case in 2nd question! Baat ko ghuma phira kr kaha se kaha le gain aap……..! jnab sub biddatain aap k aqaeed hi mt rachi basu hoi hai…….Aap logo ka to emaan hi Bidaato k sahara pe qaem hai…….! Qabr e Athar ko Sajda krna aur waha pe zoor zoor se Assalat parhna aap k emaan ka hissa hi ban chukka hai……….yeh alag baat k Shurtao ko daikhte hi aap brelvio ki rooh pervaaz kr jati hai…….. :lol: aur banday k putar ban jate hai…………aur baz aap jaise dheet jo k aisi kharafaat kp bhi adab ka darja daite hai……….to who phir sub k samne maar kha k bhi Ahmqana khayal sochte hai k yeh to nasseb wali maar hai…………! :lol:


Mein ne tu sab ke saamnay dawat de di ke Rooza-e-Mubarak per hazari ke adaab per aap alehda topic bana kar guftugo kar lijiye, aap hi ki halat patli ho rahi hai warna ab tak naya topic start kar chukay hotay. Thori himmat kijiye na deobandari! Kab tak burqay mein chupay rahien gay, thora mard ban kar baat kijiye :)

Next posting me gatar se bahir nikal kr to the point baat krna…….warna tumhari bakwaasat ki bjae ho mai Jad dul Mukhtar k sawalat k jawabat daina ziada pasand kro ga Ok?


Janab ab next post tu aap ki tab tak approve nahi hogi jab tak aap tamaam sawalaat ka bari bari jawab nahi dete. Aap per kuch nahi tu darjan bhar sawalaat udhaar hain jin se aap munh chupaye phir rahay hain aur shoor-o-ghull macha rahay hain takay unn sawalaat se tawajju hatay members ki. Lekin Alhumdulillah itni giraft hai mouzo per ke aap ko ghaseet ghaseet kar phir unn sawalo per laoo jin se aap faraar hain.

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Posted 23 February 2009 - 03:44 AM

Ab finally aap se kiye gaye tamaam sawalaat ki summary. Inn sawalaat ke jawab dena ab aap ki zimay'daari hai lihaza inn sawalo se ab aur faraar mumkin nahi. Ab aap agli post tabhi iss forum per nazar aye gi jab aap in sawalaat ka jawab dete hain. Agar kisi sawalaat ka jawab dena aap ke liye mumkin nahi aur aap khud ko be'bas patay hain tu uss sawal per aiteraaf kar lijiye ke aap ke paas bolnay ko kuch aur phir aglay sawal par aa jaiye.

Jis sequence mein sawalaat kiye gaye hain koshish kar ke ussi sequence mein jawab dijiye, aur to-the-point. Bekaar ki tafseel ya topic divert karne ki koshish na'kaam hogi. Sawalaat 2 hissay mein hain. Pehlay zaroori sawalaat, phir zimni/zaili sawalaat.

Zaroori Sawalaat:

1. Tablighi Jamat ke khilaaf Saudi Grand Mufti ka fatwa aap ke samnay paish kar diya gaya. Kya iss ke radd mein aap ke paas koi mawaad hai?

2. Aap ne dawa kiya ke Tablighi Jamat ko Saudi Government ki permission hasil hai. Aap ke apnay zaati bayan ki iss forum per kya kahi bhi koi haisiyat nahi. Iss zaman mein agar saboot paish kijiye.

3. Israel Islam ka sab se bara dushman mulk jo Palestine ke musalmaano per arsay se muzalim dhaa raha hai, aam awaam, aurato aur bacho tak ko halaak kar raha hai ussi Israel ne Tablighi Jamat ko khullay aam kaam karne ki ijazat kyu de rakhi hai?

4. Israel ke Palestine per muzalim ke khilaaf ab tak waha per mojoud Tablighi Jamat ne kisi bhi kism ka ihtijaaj kyu nahi kya? Musalmaano per dhaye janay walay zulm per Israel ki Tablghi Jamat khamoosh kyu hai? Agar ihtijaaj kya hai tu uss ka saboot paish karein.

5. Aap ke hum'maslak Peer2009 ne apni post mein iqraar kiya hai ke Saudi mein Tablighi Jamat itna openly kaam nahi karti jitna doosray mumalik mein. Iss ki wajoohaat bayan karien ke Tablighi Jamat waha chup kar kyu kaam karti hai. YA phir apnay hum'maslak deobandi Peer2009 ki baat ka radd karein.

6. Iss topic ki post #14 mein Weekl Takbeer aur Daily Asaas ke hawalo ka radd kijiye. Agar ye jhoot hai tu iss jhoot ke radd mein kisi mutabirr Deobandi ka radd paish karein.

7. Islami Tareekh mein kab kaha Tablighi Jamat ke tareeqay per tabligh ki gai, jis mein ghair'alim hazrat ne tablighi ki ho. Saboot de kar sabit karein.

8. Tabligh ka jo "Awwaleen Usool" aap ne paish kiya uss ka saboot Quran-o-Hadith se paish karein. Agar ye Usool Quran-o-Hadith mein nahi tu phir kaha se liya gaya?

9. Aap ne likha ke Tablighiyo ke samaan aur hulye se saaf pata chal jata hai ke woh kaun hain. Tablighiyo ke hulye aur aam musalmaan ke hulye mein kya farq hota hai, khaas'kar jab woh ihraam bandhay hon?

10. Jis hadith ka aap ne mafhoom bayan kiya uss ka mukammal hawala dijiye.


Zimni/Zaili Sawalaat:

11. Hanafi Muslimah ki post mein "nice sharing" ko aap ne apni taraf mansoob kar liya, issi qaiday ke mutabiq aap ke hum'maslak deobandai Peer2009 ne mandarja'zail topic per Ghulam-e-Mustafa ki post ke baad "nice sharing" ka reply dya. Kya Peer2009 ki post ko Ghulam-e-Mustafa ki taraf nisbat di jaye ya Taha Ali ki taraf?

http://www.islamimeh...?showtopic=6773

12. "Nice sharing" walay maamlay per aap ke hum'maslak deobandi Peer2009 ka iss qoul ko aap qubool kartay hain ya nahi? Agar nahi tu iss ka radd kijiye;

me ne kaha nice sharing .kiya ghulam msutafa ne sahring ki thi.

13. Mutalashi ke maani sirf "Haq ka Mutalashi" hi liye jaa saktay hain baqi koi nahi iss per koi daleel paish karein.

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 11:07 PM

Anti-Barelvi miya, last post mein summary hai sawalaat ki jin ka jawab dena lazim hai ab aap par. So ye bekaar ka shoor-o-ghull band kijiye. Gaaliya baknay se kuch sabit nahi hoga. Agar jawabaat nahi tu khamoosh rahiye, members khud hi samajh jaye gay :D

Iss baar sirf post delete kar ke warning di hai, agli baar agar iss chichooray pan ka muzahira kiya tu aap ko temporary tor pe Deoband rawana kiya jaye ga aur phir bhi na manay tu permanent. So jazbaat ko side per rakh kar jo sawalaat kiye hain unn ka jawab dijiye. Idher udher haanknay ki ab gunjaish nahi.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:38 AM

Jad ul Mukhtar Sahib! Mai apni wordings nahi bhola.........Lakin kia kro.......k Hr roz aap ka aik Bowla Bander Sybrite..........mujh se Khoraak mangta hai...........aur isi waja se aap ko jawabat daine ka moqa nahi mil raha...........Aap agr us ki Cheekh o Pukaar band krwa sakte hai........to mai jald hi aap ko jawabat de do ga..........Warna.........Daine to mai ne phir bhi hai.........Albata Thori Takheer ho jae gi............!
Thanx for waitng.............! I will be come to U soon...........!



JANAB ANTI BRELVI SAHIB MERAY SAWAL ITNAY MUSHKIL NAHI YA UN KAY JAWABAAT ITNAY TAWEEL NAHI JISS KAY LYE APP KO KASEER TIME KI ZAROORAT HO.

APP SYBRITE BHAI KAY SAWALOON KAY JAWAB DEEN LAKIN JUB APP ISS TOPIC PER MUSALSAL POST KAR RAHAY HAIN TO MERAY SAWALOON KAY JAWAB SAY RAHAY FARAR KYON ??

APP KAY PASS JAWAB NAHI TO SAAF SAAF LIKH DAIN .

UMEED HAI UB JAWABAAT KAY ELAWA KUCH OR NA LIKHAIN GE APP.

حضرت سواد بن قارب رضی اللہ تعالی عنہ کا قصیدہ


فاشھد ان اللہ لا شیئ غیرہ
و انک مامون علی کل غائب
و انک ادنی المرسلین شفاعۃ
الی اللہ یا ابن الاکرمین الاطائب
فکن لی شفیعا یوم لا ذو شفاعۃ
سواک بمغن عن سواد بن قارب


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Posted 01 March 2009 - 04:29 PM

Zaroori Sawalaat:

1. Tablighi Jamat ke khilaaf Saudi Grand Mufti ka fatwa aap ke samnay paish kar diya gaya. Kya iss ke radd mein aap ke paas koi mawaad hai?

ji bilkul raad kerta hoon. mawad me kesse don han yeh keh sakta hoon ke me yaheen rehta hoon. yahan se jamatien dosrre mulk me bhi jate hein. taleem hoti he sub amal hote hien ab kiya ap ko video banaker dekhaoon. rahi baat INSHALLAH friday ko jaker jo books aap ne quote ke he us ka mawad urdu me dhondhne ki try karoon ga. aur scan ke sath yahan chapoon ga. thor atime lage ga per ho jaye ga.

2. Aap ne dawa kiya ke Tablighi Jamat ko Saudi Government ki permission hasil hai. Aap ke apnay zaati bayan ki iss forum per kya kahi bhi koi haisiyat nahi. Iss zaman mein agar saboot paish kijiye.

aap yeh choro kiya bralviuoon ko permission di gaye he yakennen nahi . caze saudia me apan kanoon chalta he us ke made nazer tblighi jamat ko zahri pabande ka samina he take koye dosra na dawa kare ke in ko allow kiya he humin bhi kiya jaye. but ander ander unhi ke mufti saab kcuh kehte nahi yad hoga imame kabba usdese sahib pak. aye the un ki shukaren me molana tariq jameel sahib ne biyan kiya tha arabic me . aur to aur un hon ne raiwnd bhi jana tha jis ka ziker akhbaron mebhi aya tha . woh wessy bhi mohabbet rakhte hein tablighi jamat se. imame kaba ki jitne ahmiyet he baki lallo panjoo ki baton ko hum nahi mante jo merzi likhe sannu ki. jesa qulol blagh me likha he. loll.

3. Israel Islam ka sab se bara dushman mulk jo Palestine ke musalmaano per arsay se muzalim dhaa raha hai, aam awaam, aurato aur bacho tak ko halaak kar raha hai ussi Israel ne Tablighi Jamat ko khullay aam kaam karne ki ijazat kyu de rakhi hai?

4. Israel ke Palestine per muzalim ke khilaaf ab tak waha per mojoud Tablighi Jamat ne kisi bhi kism ka ihtijaaj kyu nahi kya? Musalmaano per dhaye janay walay zulm per Israel ki Tablghi Jamat khamoosh kyu hai? Agar ihtijaaj kya hai tu uss ka saboot paish karein.

are bahyee aap ki awam ne ehtijaj kiya jub bhi esa hota he to me ne nahi dkeha ke bralvi ka koye banda pak me ehtijaj me shirket kerta hoon un ko bus jalse jalsoon me jahan rotti tuker meille bus owhan jate hein baki muamlioon mekhete hein ke wahabi hein woh log. pehly apni gribano me jahnko tub yeh sawal acha lagta he. sir kiyas araye se bat nahi chali gi.

5. Aap ke hum'maslak Peer2009 ne apni post mein iqraar kiya hai ke Saudi mein Tablighi Jamat itna openly kaam nahi karti jitna doosray mumalik mein. Iss ki wajoohaat bayan karien ke Tablighi Jamat waha chup kar kyu kaam karti hai. YA phir apnay hum'maslak deobandi Peer2009 ki baat ka radd karein.

is ka jawab me opper de chuka hoon. chup ker kaem kerne se murad ke dosre masalk wale uchlana na shrogh ker de. aru han yeh bhi bata dien ki roza mubarek per aap logo ko jotte kiuoon perhty hien. green pagi dekh ker wohan ke police wale eik dum kiuoon samne aker un ki harket dekhte hien. chalo maan liya ke mazaroon per jahil log hote hien per aap ki parhye likhe green pagree me logon ko me ne zallel hote dekah he. nange paoon pure city madina me phirte hien use gande paoon se roza mubarek per hazir hotte hien ab un ko bolo ke bahyee aap yeh kiay ker rahien hien kehte hien ke muhabbet aru ihteram ki waj se, are bahye yeh woh door nahi he itne gandagi ho gaye he paoon kahrab ho jate hien phir roza mubarek ki aur tohen hote he to kehte hien gustakhe rasool. per ALLAh ka shuker he ke jo nange paoon dakhil hota he to iek danda zaoreor kahata he us ko pak ker ke ander jaen diya jata he. jianb batien kerne beth jaoon to pura tiem nikel jaye. aab aap is ko raad kijye. is liya sawal dahng se karo to jawab dhang ka mille. shukirya

6. Iss topic ki post #14 mein Weekl Takbeer aur Daily Asaas ke hawalo ka radd kijiye. Agar ye jhoot hai tu iss jhoot ke radd mein kisi mutabirr Deobandi ka radd paish karein.

7. Islami Tareekh mein kab kaha Tablighi Jamat ke tareeqay per tabligh ki gai, jis mein ghair'alim hazrat ne tablighi ki ho. Saboot de kar sabit karein.

8. Tabligh ka jo "Awwaleen Usool" aap ne paish kiya uss ka saboot Quran-o-Hadith se paish karein. Agar ye Usool Quran-o-Hadith mein nahi tu phir kaha se liya gaya?

9. Aap ne likha ke Tablighiyo ke samaan aur hulye se saaf pata chal jata hai ke woh kaun hain. Tablighiyo ke hulye aur aam musalmaan ke hulye mein kya farq hota hai, khaas'kar jab woh ihraam bandhay hon?

10. Jis hadith ka aap ne mafhoom bayan kiya uss ka mukammal hawala dijiye.


in sari batoon ka yahe nichor he ke taasub ki ainek chari howi he. are bahyee shayed aap quran ko nahi samjh te ho. ya nabi pak (PBUH) ka akhri khutba bhula bethe ho jin me nabi pak ne kaha tha ke me ne tum tak deen pahucnha diya ab tumhara farz he ke is ko age le ker chalna. aur dosroon tak phelana. phir quran pak me sore ale.imran me he.( tum behtreen ummet ho ( Ab ummet me sare alim agye kiya sub musleman agaye) jo logo ki bahale ki liya bhej gaye ho logo ko neiki ka hukem dety ho aru buraye se rokte ho) yeh ayet kafe he ya aur ayet doon. ab yeh kis ki zemedari howi. aur dosre baat yeh sub kame ulima ki muhswret se hote hien. un ko hukem diya jata he ke ager tum ko ALLAh ke raste me taklefien aie to berdasht kerna. ab dekh lo bralvi ki msajid me jotty dande aur pta nahi kiya hota tha. ji han tha. ab kafi barlivioon ko akkel agaye he woh ab itna nahi kerte pehly to tha. jinab tankeekd kerna asan he fact sunana mushkil. ab jo deen ki mehnet ker raha he to kisi muselman ka kame nahi ke woh beech me rorey atkaye.
eik baat dubai muselmano ka sub se ayash mulk he jitni zore se buraye ki dawet hoti he. ALhamdulillah utni zore se tabligh ki mehnet bhi hoti he. is liya deen ki mehneet kerne walon ka sath do. na ke us per fatwa sadir ker do.





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