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#1 Ghulam e Azhari

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 12:10 AM

Qazi sahib, aap chand masaail pooch kar keh rahe the keh sirf 5 ke jawab do, lekin maine apki woh poori post yahan paste kardi hai. Ab yeh masaail yahan discuss honge. Sab se pehle maine Masala no. 6 par baat ki thi, to ab zara continue karain, main quotations main chorh raha hun jo is topic se liye gae hain.
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1. Kya rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam namaz ki niyat zabaan se kartey they ?
2. Kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam gardan ka masah pustey kaf sey kartey the?
3. Kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam ne hukum diya ki Mard namaz me ultey pair par baitey aaur aaurat bator tawarrukh ultey kulhe par.
4. kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam ne hukum diya ki charo imamo me se aik ki takleed lazim hai.
5. aik dirham se kam nizasate galiza agar kapdo me ya badan me lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi.
6. kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam ne hukum diya ki imamat ki sharayat me sab barabar ho to imamat wo karey jo jiska sar bada ho aaur sharmgah choti ho.

sahih ahadith se takraney waley masley.

1. Namazo ka jama karna.
Volumn 002, Book 020, Sahih Bukhari, Hadith Number 209.
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Narated By Salim's father : The Prophet used to offer the Maghrib and Isha' prayers together whenever he was in a hurry on a journey.
Narrated Ibn Abbas: Allah's Apostle used to offer the Zuhr and 'Asr prayers together on journeys, and also used to offer the Maghrib and 'Isha' prayers together.
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet used to offer the Maghrib and the 'Isha' prayers together on journeys.

Fiqha ka ikhtelaaf
Haj key maoukey key siwa aaur waqt me 2 farz namazo ko jama karkey nahi padhna chahiye (Sharah Wikaya jild 1 kitabutsalat)


Qazi:

Ji haan bhai jo masley main bayan kiyey hai woh sahih ahadeeth key khilaaf hai. aap ne jawab to diya nahi bass mujh se he puch rahe hai.


Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat:

Sab se pehle to yeh sabit karian keh yeh masala Hanafi Fiqah ka hai bhi ya keh ilzaam hai ya phir ibarat ka ghalat mana bayan kia hai, phir choonkeh aap maan chuke keh yeh masala Sahih Hadeeth k khilaaf hai, lehaza ab aap Sahih Hadeeth paish karain jis main likha ho keh imamat woh karae jis ka sar chota aur sharamgah barhi ho. Taake yeh masala Sahih Hadeeth k sarasar khilaaf sabit hojae.


Is ke baad aap ne jawab nahi diya tha, chalain ab continue karain.

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#2 Ghulam e Azhari

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 02:07 AM

Rabi un Noor sharif main masroofiyat aur safar ki waja se jawab main takheer hone par mazrat chahta hun.

6. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki imamat ki sharait me sab barabar ho to imamat woh karey Jiska Sar bada aaur Sharmgah Choti ho.

Jee nahi, Piyare Rasool Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ne yeh hukm nahi diya. naa hi Ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne yeh kaha hai. Jesa keh main pehle soch chuka tha keh ibaarat ka ghalat matlab Qazi sahib ne bayan kia hai lijiye jawab hazir hai.
Durr-e-Mukhtar, V2, P252 par Matin ne Uzwan likha hai, jiske hashia par Allama Shami ne likha keh baz log is se zakar (yaani sharamgah) muraad lete hain jo durust nahi. Balke a'za ka sadol hona murad hai.
Sar baqi tamam jism ki nisbat barha hona aqal-mandi ki daleel hai, uzoo ka ma'na Sharamgah wohi karega jis ke zehen main woh cheez ho.
Aur jis ke zehen main yeh cheez ho woh yeh masaail bhi apne barhon k par amal karega:
"Gaae ka gobar peshab paak aur halaal hai. (Fatawa Ahle Hadith, V2, P566)
"Mani paak hai." (Fatawa Ahle Hadith, V1, P240)

InshaAllah is masale par mazeed behes ki zaroorat paish nahi aegi. haan albatta ullama par jo tohmat lagaai gaee hai us par taubah zaroor karni chahiye!

InshaAllah mazeed jawabat jald hazir karunga.

Edited by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat, 13 March 2009 - 02:17 AM.

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#3 Mudasir Yaseen

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 10:44 PM

Masha Allah and Jazak Allah Bhai, Buhat Achha Jawaab Diya hay Aap Ne. Main Inn Sahib Ke Liye Kuchh Aor Baaten (Inhi Ke Akabreen Ki Kitabon Se) Paish Karta Hoon, Ta Ke Ye Kissi Par Jhoota Ilzam Lagane Se Pehle Apne (Akaabireen Ki) Kitaabon Men Likhi Gaee Baaten Zaroor Yaad Karen.


(1) Mushtarika Londi Se 3 Aadmi Ek Hi Waqt Men Suhbat Karen, Aor Peda Hone Wale Bache Ke 3non D'awedar Hon, To Faisla "Lucky Draw" Se Hogga, Jiss KA Coupan Nikle Ga, Uss Ko (Prize Men) Bacha Diya Jaega. :) ( Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 2/ Page 75)

(2) Agar Kissi Shakhs Ne Apni Biwi Ki Maan (Apni Saas) Ke Saath Zinna Kiyya, To Uss Par Uss Ki Biwi Harram Nahi Hoggi ( Naz Lul Zbraar, Jild 2/ Page 28)

(3) Mutt'aa (Paise Ki Lain Dain Ke B'ad Zinna Karna) Ja'iz Hay Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 2/ Page 34)

(4) Ghair Aorat Ka Doodh Badi Umr Wale Aadimi Ko Pilana Ja'iz Hay, Agarchay Dadhi Wala Ho, Ta Ke Uss Mard Ko Dekhina Iss Aorat Ko Ja'iz Ho Jae ( Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 1/ Page 77)

(5) Mard Apni Biwi Ka Doodh Pee Sakta Hay (Fatawa e Nazeeriya Jild 2/ Page 96 )

I Think Itna Kaafi Hay, Shaayad Mazeed Ye Qazi Sahab Hazam Na Karr Saken. :P

Edited by Mudasir Yaseen, 14 March 2009 - 02:55 AM.

یہ دیِن سیِد عالم کی خدمت کی سعادت ہے
کہ دنیا بھرمیں مشہورمسلک اعلٰیحضرت کا
امام احمدرضا سے جلتے ہیں جونام کے سید
انہیں بھاری پڑیگا حشر میں دعویٰ سیادت کا


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Posted 14 March 2009 - 01:50 AM

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Salam,
JAZAK ALLAH KHAIR, bhai Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat & bahi Mudasir Yaseen, Nice sharing.


Jazak ALLAH,


Navaid Ahmed Khan.

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Posted 14 March 2009 - 11:13 AM

Masha Allah and Jazak Allah Bhai, Buhat Achha Jawaab Diya hay Aap Ne. Main Inn Sahib Ke Liye Kuchh Aor Baaten (Inhi Ke Akabreen Ki Kitabon Se) Paish Karta Hoon, Ta Ke Ye Kissi Par Jhoota Ilzam Lagane Se Pehle Apne (Akaabireen Ki) Kitaabon Men Likhi Gaee Baaten Zaroor Yaad Karen.


(1) Mushtarika Londi Se 3 Aadmi Ek Hi Waqt Men Suhbat Karen, Aor Peda Hone Wale Bache Ke 3non D'awedar Hon, To Faisla "Lucky Draw" Se Hogga, Jiss KA Coupan Nikle Ga, Uss Ko (Prize Men) Bacha Diya Jaega. :) ( Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 2/ Page 75)

(2) Agar Kissi Shakhs Ne Apni Biwi Ki Maan (Apni Saas) Ke Saath Zinna Kiyya, To Uss Par Uss Ki Biwi Harram Nahi Hoggi ( Naz Lul Zbraar, Jild 2/ Page 28)

(3) Mutt'aa (Paise Ki Lain Dain Ke B'ad Zinna Karna) Ja'iz Hay Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 2/ Page 34)

(4) Ghair Aorat Ka Doodh Badi Umr Wale Aadimi Ko Pilana Ja'iz Hay, Agarchay Dadhi Wala Ho, Ta Ke Uss Mard Ko Dekhina Iss Aorat Ko Ja'iz Ho Jae ( Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 1/ Page 77)

(5) Mard Apni Biwi Ka Doodh Pee Sakta Hay (Fatawa e Nazeeriya Jild 2/ Page 96 )

I Think Itna Kaafi Hay, Shaayad Mazeed Ye Qazi Sahab Hazam Na Karr Saken. :P


ASSALAM ALYKUM,
YAHA MAIN AIK BAAT KAHNA CHAHTA HO SHAMSHEER BHAI NEW JO JAWAB DIYA HAI USKEY BAAREY ME BAAD ME BAAT KAREY PEHLE JO BAATEY KAHI GAI UNKEY BAAREY ME KAHNAH CHAHTA HO.

KI AAP YE BAAT BAHOOT DHAYAN SE ITMINAAN SE SUN LE KI BAATEY QUOTE KI GAI HAI WOH MERE LIYE YA KISI BHI SAHIBE MOHAKKIK KEY LIYE KABILE HUZZAT NAHI HAI KYOKI HAM SIRF AAUR SIRF QURAN WA SUNNAT KO HUJJAT SAMJHTEY HAI. IN BAATO KEY BAAREY ME MERA FAISLA SOON LEY.

JINHONEY IN BAATO KO LIKHA JINHONEY IN PAR AMAL KIYA AAUR JISNEY ISEY HUZZAT SAMJH WOH AHLE HADITH HO KYA MUSLIM HI NAHI CHAHE WO KOI BHI HO ALLAHA ISKEY LIKHNEY WALEY KO, ISPEY AMAL KARNEY WALEY KO, ISEY HUZZAT SAMJHNEY WALEY KO DUNIYA ME KUTTEY KI JINDAGI ATA KAREY, KUTTEY KI JAISI MAOUT DE, AAUR ROZE QAYAMAT ME JAHANNAM KE SABSE NECHLEY HISSEY ME PHENK DE CHAHE LIKHENEY WALA YA AMAL KARNEY WALA MERA BAAP (WALID) HI KYO NA HO. AMEEN YA RABBUL ALAMEEN.

AB AAP SAB SE MERI GUZARISH HAI KI HAMARA DHAYAN US TARAF DILAYE JAISI HAMARA KOI AMAL KISI HADITH KEY KHILAF HO, YA KISI ZAEEF HADITH KO HAM SAHIH SAMJH KAR AMAL KAR RAHE HAI YA PHIR QURAN KEY KISI HUKUM KO HAMNEY GALAT SAMJH HO TO HAM AAP KEY SHUKRGUZAR BHAI HONGE. KYOKI HAMAREY LIYE HUZZAT SIRF QURAN WA SUNNAT HAI YE KHAYAL RAKHEY KYOKI JO BAAT QURAN WA HADITH SE TAKRAYE CHAHE WOH HAMAREY BAAP KE BAAT HO WOH CHULHE ME JAYE YA HAMAREY PAIRO KEY JOOTO ME HAME FARQ NAHI PADTA.

MAIN JAHA PAR SHAMSHEER BHAI SE BAAT KAR RAHA THA WAHI KARNA CHAHTA THA MAGAR UNHONEY IDHAR KA RUKH KIYA, AAUR BAAD ME MUJEH ILZAM DETEY KI MAIN IDHAR UDHAR BAAGH JATA HO. ISLIYE MAINEY JAWAB DIYE JABKI WOH UDHAR SE IDHAR BHAG AAYE. UNHONEY JO JAWAB DIYE USKEY LIYE AGLA POST ME DISCUSS KARENGE.

Edited by Qazi, 14 March 2009 - 12:01 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2009 - 05:49 PM

AAP YE BAAT BAHOOT DHAYAN SE ITMINAAN SE SUN LE KI BAATEY QUOTE KI GAI HAI WOH MERE LIYE YA KISI BHI SAHIBE MOHAKKIK KEY LIYE KABILE HUZZAT NAHI HAI KYOKI HAM SIRF AAUR SIRF QURAN WA SUNNAT KO HUJJAT SAMJHTEY HAI. IN BAATO KEY BAAREY ME MERA FAISLA SOON LEY.


Lol, Wahabi/ Ghair Muqalideen Ka Purana Hathkanda Ke "Hamare Liye Ye Hujjat Nahi, Hamare Liye Wo Hujjat Nahi, Hamare Liye Ibn e Wahab Najdi Hujjat Nahi, Hamare Liye Ismaeel Dehlvi Hujjat Nahi. Hamare Liye Fulaan Hujjat Nahi, Hamare Liye Fullan Hujjat Nahi." Qazi Sahab Agar Ye Sab Aap Ke Liye Hujjat Nahi Hain, To Fatawa Le Aao Inn Par ke "Naz Ul Abraar Likhne Wala Molvi Waheed Uz Zamman Aap Ki Nazar Men Kon Hay??


JINHONEY IN BAATO KO LIKHA JINHONEY IN PAR AMAL KIYA AAUR JISNEY ISEY HUZZAT SAMJH WOH AHLE HADITH HO KYA MUSLIM HI NAHI CHAHE WO KOI BHI HO ALLAHA ISKEY LIKHNEY WALEY KO, ISPEY AMAL KARNEY WALEY KO, ISEY HUZZAT SAMJHNEY WALEY KO DUNIYA ME KUTTEY KI JINDAGI ATA KAREY, KUTTEY KI JAISI MAOUT DE, AAUR ROZE QAYAMAT ME JAHANNAM KE SABSE NECHLEY HISSEY ME PHENK DE CHAHE LIKHENEY WALA YA AMAL KARNEY WALA MERA BAAP (WALID) HI KYO NA HO. AMEEN YA RABBUL ALAMEEN.


Lo G Sunniyo .....! Mubarak Ho.....! Qazi Ne Khud Hi Aitiraaf Kardiyya Hay Ke Molvi Waheed uz Zamman, Molvi Nazeer, Molvi Sana ul Allah Duniya Men Kutte Ki Zindagi Ji Kar Gae Thay, Aor Kutte Ki Maot Marr Gae Thay. Ab Baroz e Qayyamat Jahanum Ke Nichle Tabqe men Phenk Diye Jaaenge.

AMEEN YA RABBUL ALAMEEN.[/size]
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Aameen Aameen Bijah e Nabi ul Ameen (saw).

To Qazi Sahab Pehle Aap Ko Inn Logon PAr Fatawa Lanna Hay, Ta Ke Hum Ko Yaqeen Aae Ke Waqaee Tum Such Keh Rahe Ho........!!!!!

یہ دیِن سیِد عالم کی خدمت کی سعادت ہے
کہ دنیا بھرمیں مشہورمسلک اعلٰیحضرت کا
امام احمدرضا سے جلتے ہیں جونام کے سید
انہیں بھاری پڑیگا حشر میں دعویٰ سیادت کا


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#7 Ghulam e Azhari

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Posted 15 March 2009 - 02:15 AM

MashaAllah barha hi Sahih mutalba hai Mudasir bhai ka. Is qadr bakwasat aur khurafat e Ghair Muqallidiyat par aaj tak kiun kisi Wahabi Mufti ko ghairat na aae aur un khabeeson par Jahannumi hone ka fatwa na dia? Agar dia hai to paish karain, agar nahi to kisi barhe mufti se likhwa lain.
Hujjat ke baare main to maine kia kuch likh dia tha post main lekin phir sharm ke maare post na kar saka aur delete kar dia. Ishara de deta hun keh main aap ke Nikah Khwan Hazraat ke baare main likh raha tha keh woh bonge bhi baghair hujjat wale hain.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 10:00 AM

MashaAllah barha hi Sahih mutalba hai Mudasir bhai ka. Is qadr bakwasat aur khurafat e Ghair Muqallidiyat par aaj tak kiun kisi Wahabi Mufti ko ghairat na aae aur un khabeeson par Jahannumi hone ka fatwa na dia? Agar dia hai to paish karain, agar nahi to kisi barhe mufti se likhwa lain.
Hujjat ke baare main to maine kia kuch likh dia tha post main lekin phir sharm ke maare post na kar saka aur delete kar dia. Ishara de deta hun keh main aap ke Nikah Khwan Hazraat ke baare main likh raha tha keh woh bonge bhi baghair hujjat wale hain.


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Posted 16 March 2009 - 08:54 PM

MashaAllah barha hi Sahih mutalba hai Mudasir bhai ka. Is qadr bakwasat aur khurafat e Ghair Muqallidiyat par aaj tak kiun kisi Wahabi Mufti ko ghairat na aae aur un khabeeson par Jahannumi hone ka fatwa na dia? Agar dia hai to paish karain, agar nahi to kisi barhe mufti se likhwa lain.
Hujjat ke baare main to maine kia kuch likh dia tha post main lekin phir sharm ke maare post na kar saka aur delete kar dia. Ishara de deta hun keh main aap ke Nikah Khwan Hazraat ke baare main likh raha tha keh woh bonge bhi baghair hujjat wale hain.


(bis)
(salam)
Janab Shamsheer sahib and Mudassir sahib
Kia aap ye sabit karyengye ke Kitab "Nazul Abrar" janab waheed Uz Zaman sahib ne likhi hai????
Jahan tak humara ilm hai un ye kitab hi nahin

Mulahiza karain
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Is ke baad hi aap logon ki dhokye bazi ko gehri chot parti hai
or in sab ke baad kuch or kehna bekar hoga

Jahan tak Fataw-e-Nazeeriya ka sawal hai to aap se guzarish hai ke zara Razaa't ka masa'la details main parhyen or apny khud ke ulama ke jawabat is per mulahiza kar lain.


(salam)
fi-aman:
Abdul Salam

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 10:53 AM

Abdul Salam


Salam Bhai, Assalam alykum,
Main soch raha tha ki ye log bilkul alimana baat key kabil hi nahi badey afsoos ki baat hai ye sirf jhagda kartey hai jis link par mainey sawalat kiye they woh ye hai. wey waha se yaha aa gaye.
http://www.islamimeh...o...=7273&st=20

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 10:23 PM

Salam Bhai, Assalam alykum,
Main soch raha tha ki ye log bilkul alimana baat key kabil hi nahi badey afsoos ki baat hai ye sirf jhagda kartey hai jis link par mainey sawalat kiye they woh ye hai. wey waha se yaha aa gaye.
http://www.islamimeh...o...=7273&st=20


(bis)
(wasalam)
(salam)

Janab Qazi sahib, Sahi kaha aap ne, humarye barelvi bhaiyon ke paas or kuch to hai nahin... aakihr main aa kar yahi kehna hai ke "janab hum to wahi karyengye jo humarye akabir ne kia hai" Mushrikan-e-Makkah ki tarha

Quran ki Daa'wat ya Rasool-e-Akram (saw) ki hadith per amal pera to hona hi nahin (kisi bhi hadith ki mukhalifat main apni ulama ki baat ko hujjat banana)
is link ko main ne dekh liya tha or wait kar raha tha ke koi jawab Barelvi bhaion ki taraf se aaye to phir kuch kaha jaye...

Ab in ko chahiye ke ke Nazul Abra ka peecha chor dain or jo masyel aap ne bayan kiye hain (bila waja kisi or taraf tawajjah batanye ke) sirf un per hi guftago karain..... ye to un ka purana tareeqa hai ke ghumana phirana shoroo kar detain hain or phir hum se hi shikwa bhi kartye hain

ab masaa'la to ye hai ke yahan per tamam logon main kuch log hain jo kuch ilm bhi rakhtye hain lakin Taqleed ke chakkar main Quran-o-Hadith ko chor bathye hain......

Ab faizan-e-madina main Tahajjud ki namaz jamat ke saath karwa di in hon ne, is ke ilawa suna hai (yaqeen nahin hai abhi tak) ke in barelvi bhaiyon ne guzishta 12 rabi ul awwal ko Ba jamat shukraye ki namaz parhi hai (Confirmation required from barelvi hazrat) (agar han) to kia kisi Hadith, Sahaba, se sabit kar saktye hain yaqeenan nahin......

fi-aman:
(salam)
Abdul Salam

Edited by Abdulsalam, 17 March 2009 - 10:24 PM.


#12 Ghulam e Azhari

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 12:23 AM

Salam Bhai, Assalam alykum,
Main soch raha tha ki ye log bilkul alimana baat key kabil hi nahi badey afsoos ki baat hai ye sirf jhagda kartey hai jis link par mainey sawalat kiye they woh ye hai. wey waha se yaha aa gaye.
http://www.islamimeh...o...=7273&st=20

Assalamu'alaiyah!
Barhi umar ke aadmi, aap hi ne kaha tha keh mere jawab par tabsara karenge phir bhool gae? Ab tak to woh tabsara aap kar chuke hote. Chalain ab aap jawab dain taake yeh discussion continue rahe. Baqi masaail bhi chalte rahainge aap yeh to poora karain. Baqi raha Rabi un Noor sharif ka masala is par kafi topics open ho chuke hain kahin bhi jaa kar Deobandio ki haan main haan wahan jaa kar milaen.

Edited by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat, 18 March 2009 - 12:26 AM.

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 10:25 AM

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Rabi un Noor sharif main masroofiyat aur safar ki waja se jawab main takheer hone par mazrat chahta hun.

Jee nahi, Piyare Rasool Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ne yeh hukm nahi diya. naa hi Ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne yeh kaha hai. Jesa keh main pehle soch chuka tha keh ibaarat ka ghalat matlab Qazi sahib ne bayan kia hai lijiye jawab hazir hai.
Durr-e-Mukhtar, V2, P252 par Matin ne Uzwan likha hai, jiske hashia par Allama Shami ne likha keh baz log is se zakar (yaani sharamgah) muraad lete hain jo durust nahi. Balke a'za ka sadol hona murad hai.
Sar baqi tamam jism ki nisbat barha hona aqal-mandi ki daleel hai, uzoo ka ma'na Sharamgah wohi karega jis ke zehen main woh cheez ho.
Aur jis ke zehen main yeh cheez ho woh yeh masaail bhi apne barhon k par amal karega:
"Gaae ka gobar peshab paak aur halaal hai. (Fatawa Ahle Hadith, V2, P566)
"Mani paak hai." (Fatawa Ahle Hadith, V1, P240)

InshaAllah is masale par mazeed behes ki zaroorat paish nahi aegi. haan albatta ullama par jo tohmat lagaai gaee hai us par taubah zaroor karni chahiye!

InshaAllah mazeed jawabat jald hazir karunga.


Walekum assalam shamshir bhai
Aaap ne sawal no. 6 ka jo jawab diya hai :-

Jee nahi, Piyare Rasool Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ne yeh hukm nahi diya. naa hi Ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne yeh kaha hai.

Yani aap mantey hai ki rasool e akram sallallaho allehe wassalam ne imamat key masail par ye hukum nahi diya ( AAP KA HUKUM 4 DARZE PAR MUSHTAMIL THA) aage aap ne likha ke ye kisi ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne bhi nahi kaha to meharbani karkey batayenge ki Sahab-e- Dur-re-Mukhtar Hanfi nahi they to phir kya they ? Kaum ki gumrahi door karney me issey badi madad milegi.

Aage aapne likha :-

Balke a'za ka sadol hona murad hai.

In alfaz ki wajahat jaroori hai.

aapne likha ki dur-re-mukhtar kisi ahnaaf ki nahi hai yani aap ke liye hujjat nahi hai to phir aksar aaur beshtar aap ki mahana risaley to deen key muttaliq hotey hai unmey kisi saeel ka jawab detey waqt daleel key taur par is kitab ka naam aata hai iski wajahat karenege.

Baqi jo sawalat aapke amal ke muttalik they silsilewaar unki wajahat kar de mainey pehle 5 hi sawal kiye they aap ne khud unko bada liya. aap inmey se aik ke liye bhi daleel pesh kar de aap merey ameer honge.

Baki rahe aap ke ilzamat unhe aap in jawabat key baad tak key liye multawi kar de in jawabat key baad inshallaha unkey jawabat daleel key saath de diye jayenge.

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 12:39 AM

aage aap ne likha ke ye kisi ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne bhi nahi kaha to meharbani karkey batayenge ki Sahab-e- Dur-re-Mukhtar Hanfi nahi they to phir kya they ?

Maine kab kaha keh Sahib-e-Durr-e-Mukhtar Hanafi nahi the? Bostan hai...!
maine kaha yeh hukm jo aap ne bataya hai yeh kisi Hanafi Aalim ne nahi dia keh sharamgah choti ho. aur aap kehte hain maine Sahib-e-Durr e Mukhtar ko ghair-e-Hanafi keh dia...?

aapne likha ki dur-re-mukhtar kisi ahnaaf ki nahi hai yani aap ke liye hujjat nahi hai to phir aksar aaur beshtar aap ki mahana risaley to deen key muttaliq hotey hai unmey kisi saeel ka jawab detey waqt daleel key taur par is kitab ka naam aata hai iski wajahat karenege.

Maine kab kaha Durr-e-Mukhtar kisi Hanafi ki nahi likhi hui? doosra bohtan!
Ab main wazahat karta hai.
Jo masala aap ne bayan kia hai "Imamat woh karae jiska sarr barha aur sharamgah choti ho" yeh masala kisi Hanafi Aalim ne nahi diya. Yaani ibarat ka jo ghalat mafhoom aap ne akhaz kia hai woh kisi Hanafi Alim ka mafhoom aur masala nahi hai. Umeed hai ab aqal main baat agai hogi.

Balke a'za ka sadol hona murad hai.

In alfaz ki wajahat jaroori hai.

Is ki wazahat main kar chuke hain ghor se parhain:
Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat:

Sar baqi tamam jism ki nisbat barha hona aqal-mandi ki daleel hai, uzoo ka ma'na Sharamgah wohi karega jis ke zehen main woh cheez ho.

Is baare main aap mazeed baat karain, phir InshaAllah aik aur masala aap ko bataunga imamat k baare main.

Baqi jo sawalat aapke amal ke muttalik they silsilewaar unki wajahat kar de mainey pehle 5 hi sawal kiye they aap ne khud unko bada liya.

Astaghfirullah! barhi umar ke aadmi, ap ki hi post main quote ki hai is topic ki pehli post main aap dekh sakte hain us post main aap ne 7 masaail cherhe ab mukar rahe hain aur keh rahe hain keh maine to sirf 5 kahe the baqi aap ne apni marzi se barha liye. yeh teesra aur ghatiya tareen bohtaan hai.

Aainda se thorha hazir dimaghi ka muzahira ki jiye ga, yeh tanz nahi suggestion hai.

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:22 PM

Maine kab kaha keh Sahib-e-Durr-e-Mukhtar Hanafi nahi the? Bostan hai...!
maine kaha yeh hukm jo aap ne bataya hai yeh kisi Hanafi Aalim ne nahi dia keh sharamgah choti ho. aur aap kehte hain maine Sahib-e-Durr e Mukhtar ko ghair-e-Hanafi keh dia...?


Maine kab kaha Durr-e-Mukhtar kisi Hanafi ki nahi likhi hui? doosra bohtan!
Ab main wazahat karta hai.
Jo masala aap ne bayan kia hai "Imamat woh karae jiska sarr barha aur sharamgah choti ho" yeh masala kisi Hanafi Aalim ne nahi diya. Yaani ibarat ka jo ghalat mafhoom aap ne akhaz kia hai woh kisi Hanafi Alim ka mafhoom aur masala nahi hai. Umeed hai ab aqal main baat agai hogi.


Is ki wazahat main kar chuke hain ghor se parhain:
Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat:

Is baare main aap mazeed baat karain, phir InshaAllah aik aur masala aap ko bataunga imamat k baare main.

Astaghfirullah! barhi umar ke aadmi, ap ki hi post main quote ki hai is topic ki pehli post main aap dekh sakte hain us post main aap ne 7 masaail cherhe ab mukar rahe hain aur keh rahe hain keh maine to sirf 5 kahe the baqi aap ne apni marzi se barha liye. yeh teesra aur ghatiya tareen bohtaan hai.

Aainda se thorha hazir dimaghi ka muzahira ki jiye ga, yeh tanz nahi suggestion hai.

Assalam alykum, shamshir bhai umeed hai mijaz e girami ba khair honge,

haan bhai aapney Mana ki Dur-re-Mukhatar key musannif hanfi they alhamdulliha, aaur ye kitab fiqha me maqbul kitab hai.

Aaur aap ne ye bhi mana ki jo baat kahi gai woh pyare rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ne nahi kahe. yani aapney sirf imamat key 4 darjey tai kiye they jis par qayamat key roz ki aakhri namaz tak imam tai kiye jayenge.
1. Quran ka quari
2. Sunnat ka jyada janney wala
3. Hizrat me awwal
4. umar me bada.


Ab kya aap ye mantey hai ki aap sallallaho allehe wassallam ki hadith me tahrif ki gai?

Kya aap is tahrif ko jayaz karar detey hai? jismey se aik ye bhi hai ki JISKI BIWI JYADA KHUBSURAT HO.

Aap aaza sodol se kya murad letey hai aap ney thik se wajeh nahi kiya, agar kiya to main thik se samajh nahi paya meharbani hogi is par aaur roshni agar dal patey?

Haan aapki ye baat thik hai ki mainey shruaat me 6-7 masley likhey they magar jab alfaz kharab honey lagey to mainey is masley jis par ham baat kar rahey ko tark karna chaha tha, aaur rafayadain key muddey ko bhi tark karna chaha tha, magar allaha ka shukar hai ki aap inkey jawab dena chahtey hai ye badi pyari baat hai,

Ab aap plz. is maley per jo sawalat ubhar kar aaye hai jo mainey shuru mey likhey hai unkey barey me aap apna aquida clear kar de aaur phir baaki ke sawalo key jawab deney ki meharbahi karey.


sawalat ye they :-
1. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne zabaan se namaz ki niyat ki ?

2. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne Gardan ka Masah kiya ?

3. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki mard naaf key neechey haath bandhey aaur aaurat siney par ?

4. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki aakhri tashhadud me mard apney ultey pair par aaur aurat bator tawarukh apney kulhe par baithey?

5. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki 1 dirham se kam Nizasatey Galize agar kapdo me ya badan par lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi?


6. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki Charo Imamo mey se kisi aik ki Takleed lazeem hai.
7.
Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne rafayadain ko mansookh kiya ?


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Posted 19 March 2009 - 10:35 PM

Assalam alykum, shamshir bhai umeed hai mijaz e girami ba khair honge,

haan bhai aapney Mana ki Dur-re-Mukhatar key musannif hanfi they alhamdulliha, aaur ye kitab fiqha me maqbul kitab hai.

Aaur aap ne ye bhi mana ki jo baat kahi gai woh pyare rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ne nahi kahe. yani aapney sirf imamat key 4 darjey tai kiye they jis par qayamat key roz ki aakhri namaz tak imam tai kiye jayenge.
1. Quran ka quari
2. Sunnat ka jyada janney wala
3. Hizrat me awwal
4. umar me bada.


Ab kya aap ye mantey hai ki aap sallallaho allehe wassallam ki hadith me tahrif ki gai?

Kya aap is tahrif ko jayaz karar detey hai? jismey se aik ye bhi hai ki JISKI BIWI JYADA KHUBSURAT HO.

Aap aaza sodol se kya murad letey hai aap ney thik se wajeh nahi kiya, agar kiya to main thik se samajh nahi paya meharbani hogi is par aaur roshni agar dal patey?

Yaqeen karain aap ki meethi zuban se main mutassir hua. lekin main bhi ese nahi chorh sakta bhai majboor hun, jab tak poori baat na ajae nahi chorh sakta :unsure: . Aap ki post parh kar kafi raste saamne khulte hue nazar arahe hain mustaqbil main.
Baharhaal, mere yeh chand mutalbat hain jo moqa ke mutabik bilkul durust hain.

1. Aap sab se pehle yeh maanain keh aap ne ibarat ka ghalat mafhoom bayan kia ya chalain yeh maan lain keh aapko ghalat mafhoom bataya gaya.
2. phir yeh maanain keh yeh Ullama-o-Awam-e-Ahnaaf par aik bohtaan bandha tha.
3. Phir aap yeh bhi maanain keh Shamsheer bhai ne kabhi yeh nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar Ghair-e-Hanafi ki kitab hai aur yeh bhi kabhi nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki koi hujjat nahi balke maine hi zabardast un par yeh baat chaspa ki.
4. Phir aap in bohtan aur ghalat bayani se alal ailaania taubah karain aur kahain aainda is masale ko bunyad bana kar kabhi Fiqah Hanafi ki mukhalfat na karunga balke apne hi Ghair Muqallidon ko bhi yeh samjhaunga.
Agar aap yeh baatain qabool karte hain, phir InshaAllah discussion forward karne main main bohot bohot khushi mehsoos karunga. Phir InshaAllah imamat ki 4 sharait wali Hadis ka bhi jawab main aap ki khidmat main paish kar dunga. Agli post main hi agar cheh aap ne oopar wale mamlat tasleem karliye.
Yeh to hui aaj ki nai baat, phir aap ne wazahat poochi to bhai ibarat ka mafhoom yehi hai keh sar mubarak baqi jism ki nisbat barha hona intelligence ki nishani hai.
A person is considered to be intelligent whose head is bigger as compared with his body.
Umeed hai ab kafi wazeh hogaya hoga, Durr-e-Mukhtar ki ibarat no. 14 ka bhi jawab InshaAllah aap ko dunga.

Haan aapki ye baat thik hai ki mainey shruaat me 6-7 masley likhey they magar jab alfaz kharab honey lagey to mainey is masley jis par ham baat kar rahey ko tark karna chaha tha, aaur rafayadain key muddey ko bhi tark karna chaha tha, magar allaha ka shukar hai ki aap inkey jawab dena chahtey hai ye badi pyari baat hai,


aapka mamlat tabdeel karlena ho sakta hai durust ho, lekin aap agar meri jagha hote to kia aap bohtaan lagta hua dekh kar khamosh rehte agar cheh aap main uska jawab dene ki taqat ho? zahir hai nahi, lehaza maine is masale ko pehle jawab dena munasib samjha.
Phir aap ne yeh bhi maan lia keh mamlat aap hi ne tabdeel kiye, to ab yeh bhi maanain keh aap ne jo pehle kaha tha "maine to 5 kahe aap ne apni marzi se khud barha liye" yaqeen karain bohot hi na-qabil e Hazam baat hai. Bhai akhir maine kab aur kahan khud se mamlat tabdeel kiye jab aap khud maan rahe hain keh haan maine kiye. Aur Rafayadain ke jawaz aur adam jawaz par to hamari koi behes hi nahi hui aur aap ne direct usko bhi shamil kardia. Maine to sirf yeh poocha tha keh isko aaj bunyad kiun na banaya gaya, uska jawab baharhaal doosre topic par hi decide hoga.
Phir main aap ko batata hun aap ne to pehle 5 sawal qabool karliye, phir 6th 7th aur 8th main batata hun woh nahi jo aap ne pichli post main likhe balke yeh hain:

6. kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam ne hukum diya ki imamat ki sharayat me sab barabar ho to imamat wo karey jo jiska sar bada ho aaur sharmgah choti ho.
7. Namazain Jama karna sunnat hai. (yeh maine apne alfaz main likha)
8. Sharab se bana hua Sirka Haram ya Halal? (yeh maine apne alfaz main likha)

Phir aik aur baat kehna chahunga keh aap ne chalaki ka muzahira karte hue aik masala aur dakhil kardia yaani naaf ke neeche hath bandhna aur woh bhi masala no.3 main likha taake main direct no. 5 k baad se parhna shuru karun to woh main na parh sakunga.
Akhri baat yehi hai bhai us topic ki itni lambi discussion ho hi issi liye thi keh aaj aap 8 masaail laae, baton hi baton main 3 aur dakhil kar diye... phir kal ko 10 mazeed le aenge is tarha aap laate jaenge aur jawab ka mutalba karte rahenge jesa aap ne khud kaha keh hazaron masaail hain? Is tarha to kaam nahi chale ga na bhai. Woh topic tha hi issi liye keh decide hojae Imam-e-Azam ke akhaz kiye hue masaail ki sharai hesiat kia hai aur Hadis qabool karne ka sha'oor un main kitna tha waghera waghera taake yeh pata chal jae keh Imam-e-Azam ne Deen main sahih masaail bayan kar ke Din ki barhi khidmat ki hai. Is se bunyadi mamlat hi pata chal jaate hamain. lekin bad-qismati se woh na-chal saki aur baat wohi atak rahi thi keh mere masalon ka jawab do mere masalo ka jawab do.

Ab dekhain, yeh to aik choti si discussion thi, oopar diye hue mutalbat ko na bhooliye ga kiunke main nahi chahta agle post main main aap ko kahun keh bhai uska kia hua? ab to main yaad dilwa dilwa kar thak gaya hun yaqin karain!
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:36 AM

Yaqeen...


Assalam alykum,
Mumtaz bhai main to aik cheez pasand karta ho ki agar masley ikhtelaafi bhi hai to hamey apna apa nahi khona chahiye warna ham aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke wasiyat 'BALLIGO ANNI WAL AYA" ka hukum nahi baza sakenge, hamey apney andar ye madda paida karna chahiye ki sabse upar, aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke baat aaur zaat ho. us lehaz se bhale he hamarey khayal alag ho saktey hai magar hai to aap merey bhai na, kya sahaba radiallaha me ikhtelaaf nahi huey, magar woh sab waha par jama ho jatey they jaha aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ki baat aa gai. mera yakeen karey main is baat ka kayal hu ki deen me meri ana kisi kabil nahi main har us baat key aage apne sar ko jhukaney ka aaur apni zabaan ka khamosh karney ka kayal ho jab aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke baat aa jaye.

aap ne mujse jo mutalba kiya

1. Aap sab se pehle yeh maanain keh aap ne ibarat ka ghalat mafhoom bayan kia ya chalain yeh maan lain keh aapko ghalat mafhoom bataya gaya.

Agar aap kehtey hai ki galat mafhoom hai to yahi sahi, kyoki kitaab merey liye to huzzat hai nahi aisa aksar hota hai ki jyadatar mamlat me aadmi aisi baatey failata hai.
Magar bhai kya galat mafhoom bhi hai to aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke baat ke tahreef nahi hui? aisa kyo ? khamoshi me kya bigad jata.

2. phir yeh maanain keh yeh Ullama-o-Awam-e-Ahnaaf par aik bohtaan bandha tha.

Bhai mera sochna hai ki bohtan woh hota hai jab us baat ki haqiqat na ho, mainey jab khud hanfi rahtey huey mutala kiya to dekha ki bahoo jyada tahreef ki hai, hidaya me, bidaya me, namaz e janaza me taraweeh me ..... aap ye na samjhe ki masle badh rahe hai. ye to haqiqat hai na bhai ki haditho ke hukum ko badla gaya phir bohtan kaisey hua?

3. Phir aap yeh bhi maanain keh Shamsheer bhai ne kabhi yeh nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar Ghair-e-Hanafi ki kitab hai aur yeh bhi kabhi nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki koi hujjat nahi balke maine hi zabardast un par yeh baat chaspa ki.

Mainey to aap ki tarrif ki hai ki aap ne aisey waqt me bhi unhey hanfi manney sey inkar nahi kiya, haan main janta ho ki Durr-e-Mukhtar ahnaaf key liye huzzat hai. (main theek se samjh nahi saka ki aap kya kahna chah rahey hai, agar huzzat nahi hai to aap kah dijiyega ainda us kitab ka hawala main nahi doonga)

4. Phir aap in bohtan aur ghalat bayani se alal ailaania taubah karain aur kahain aainda is masale ko bunyad bana kar kabhi Fiqah Hanafi ki mukhalfat na karunga balke apne hi Ghair Muqallidon ko bhi yeh samjhaunga.

Bhai sahab yaha jara mushkil hai kyoki aisey beshomar masley hai jin par amal hota hai aaur woh quran wa hadith key khilaf hotey hai, phir agar ye buniyad na baney to deen me rah kya jayega. jo masley quran wa hadith ke khilaf hai agar aap kehtey hai ki wo hadith key muwafiq hi hai jaisa aksar kaha jata hai to phir woh hadith pesh kare mamla khud ba khud khatam ho jayega.

Bhai ab rahe merey woh sawalat jin ka mainey jawab manga tha to ho sakta hai ki sawalat idhar udhar ho gaye ho main mafi chahta ho magar buniyadi sawal apni jagah par hai aap ismey se jiska chahe jawab de de.

woh mera khayal hai ye hai

1. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne zabaan se namaz ki niyat ki ?
2. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne Gardan ka Masah kiya ?
3. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki mard naaf key neechey haath bandhey aaur aaurat siney par ?
4. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki aakhri tashhadud me mard apney ultey pair par aaur aurat bator tawarukh apney kulhe par baithey?
5. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki 1 dirham se kam Nizasatey Galize agar kapdo me ya badan par lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi?

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 12:42 AM

Assalamu'alaiyah!

Agar yeh sirf Farooi ikhtilafat hote to main zaroor aap ki baat manta aur apka bhai kehlwane main fakhr mehsoos karta, lekin yeh Rasool ki nisbat aur muhabbat hi hai keh jiski waja se aap ke aqaaid main ikhtilaf hone par main apka bhai nahi ho sakta. baharhaal, aqaaid par to ham ne koi baat nahi ki, aur agar is topic par ki to phir se topic kahin aur ko murh jaega. Lekin main apko suggest zaroor karunga keh Aqaaid par bhi baat karain keh Aqaaid-e-Ahle Sunnat main kia kia ghalat hain, taake is par bhi aap ki islaah ho sakke lekin woh kisi aur topic par kariye ga.

1. Aap sab se pehle yeh maanain keh aap ne ibarat ka ghalat mafhoom bayan kia ya chalain yeh maan lain keh aapko ghalat mafhoom bataya gaya.

Agar aap kehtey hai ki galat mafhoom hai to yahi sahi, kyoki kitaab merey liye to huzzat hai nahi aisa aksar hota hai ki jyadatar mamlat me aadmi aisi baatey failata hai.
Magar bhai kya galat mafhoom bhi hai to aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke baat ke tahreef nahi hui? aisa kyo ? khamoshi me kya bigad jata.

Theek hai, aap ne maan lia yeh baat woh nahi jo aap ne kahi balke jo wazahat aapko bataai gai wohi theek hai. Ab InshaAllah baat aegi keh yeh tehreef hai ya nahi imamat ki sharait main.

2. phir yeh maanain keh yeh Ullama-o-Awam-e-Ahnaaf par aik bohtaan bandha tha.

Bhai mera sochna hai ki bohtan woh hota hai jab us baat ki haqiqat na ho, mainey jab khud hanfi rahtey huey mutala kiya to dekha ki bahoo jyada tahreef ki hai, hidaya me, bidaya me, namaz e janaza me taraweeh me ..... aap ye na samjhe ki masle badh rahe hai. ye to haqiqat hai na bhai ki haditho ke hukum ko badla gaya phir bohtan kaisey hua?

Maine to sirf yeh kaha tha keh aapne jo mafhoom bayan kia usse Ullama par bohtaan badha hai. Kia wakai yeh bohtaan nahi keh jo baat Ullama ne kahi hi nahi woh baat Ullama ki taraf mansoob karna? Iska jawab zaroor di jiye ga.
Aap nahi samjhe, phir meri aik aur baat sach sabit hogaee aap ne kaha sirf yeh 5 masaail hain aap sahih sabit karke mere ameer ban jaen, phir aap ne baaton hi baaton main mazeed masale barha diye. ab aap janaze aur taraweeh waghera ko le aen hain. Tabhi to maine kaha tha aap se keh bunyadi baatain taake aik hi waar main saare masale khatam hojae lekin aap masaail laate rahenge laate hi rahenge jisse apki woh baat ghalat sabit hojaegi keh janab 5 bayan karo aur ameer banjao. ab banda itna bhi ghair hazir dimagh na ho! Aik baat par rahain, aap ne masaail pooche us ka jawab to mil hi jaega aapko InshaAllah.

3. Phir aap yeh bhi maanain keh Shamsheer bhai ne kabhi yeh nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar Ghair-e-Hanafi ki kitab hai aur yeh bhi kabhi nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki koi hujjat nahi balke maine hi zabardast un par yeh baat chaspa ki.

Mainey to aap ki tarrif ki hai ki aap ne aisey waqt me bhi unhey hanfi manney sey inkar nahi kiya, haan main janta ho ki Durr-e-Mukhtar ahnaaf key liye huzzat hai. (main theek se samjh nahi saka ki aap kya kahna chah rahey hai, agar huzzat nahi hai to aap kah dijiyega ainda us kitab ka hawala main nahi doonga)

Chalain maani apki baat keh pehle apko pata nahi tha, aur zabardast aapne hi kaha keh apke liye Durr-e-Mukhtar Hujjat nahi. Theek theek!

Bhai sahab yaha jara mushkil hai kyoki aisey beshomar masley hai jin par amal hota hai aaur woh quran wa hadith key khilaf hotey hai, phir agar ye buniyad na baney to deen me rah kya jayega. jo masley quran wa hadith ke khilaf hai agar aap kehtey hai ki wo hadith key muwafiq hi hai jaisa aksar kaha jata hai to phir woh hadith pesh kare mamla khud ba khud khatam ho jayega.

Janab maine beshumar masalon ka mutalba nahi kia tha, balke sirf us masale par multalba karraha tha jo aap ne bayan kia keh "Imamat woh karaae jiska sar barha aur sharamgah choti ho". Maine yeh mutalbat kiun kiye? Jawab yeh hai keh maine yeh mutalbat is liye kiye keh mamla aap yahan tak le aae the keh jo bhi ho akhir yeh Muslim Sharif ki 4 sharait wali Hadees ke khilaf hai. Maine kaha theek hai agar is baat ka jawab diya hai to phir aap yeh sab se pehle maanain jo mafhoom aap Qazi sahib ne bayan kia woh ghalat tha waghera waghera. aur woh mutalbat ese bhi nahi hain keh masala Kashmir ban jaen, bohot hi saade se mutalbat hain. Aur shuru main hi aap ne kaha tha keh aap Qazi sahib Islah ki niyat se aae hain, to manie aapki Islaah ki niyat se hi yeh multalbat kiye hain, agar aap isko apni ana ka masla bana lenge to shayad ap apni Islaah kabhi na kar paenge.

Bhai ab rahe merey woh sawalat jin ka mainey jawab manga tha to ho sakta hai ki sawalat idhar udhar ho gaye ho main mafi chahta ho magar buniyadi sawal apni jagah par hai aap ismey se jiska chahe jawab de de.
woh mera khayal hai ye hai
1. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne zabaan se namaz ki niyat ki ?
2. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne Gardan ka Masah kiya ?
3. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki mard naaf key neechey haath bandhey aaur aaurat siney par ?
4. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki aakhri tashhadud me mard apney ultey pair par aaur aurat bator tawarukh apney kulhe par baithey?
5. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki 1 dirham se kam Nizasatey Galize agar kapdo me ya badan par lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi?


To aap maan rahe keh namazain jama karna, sharab se bana sirka aap ne nahi poocha? Chalain aapki marzi agar aap un par baat nahi karna chahte... Ab yeh mujhe ikhtiyar hai main jawab doon ya na dun kiunkeh aap jawab nahi chahte. InshaAllah waqt ne ijazat di to in par bhi baat karunga.



Chaliye mamla aage barhate hain. Aap is baat ka jawab dain keh aapko kis ne bataya keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21 ibaraat dar-haqeeqat imamat ki sharaait hain? Iska jawab dain taake mazeed baat aage barhe. Main apni hifazat pehle hi kardun keh maine to nahi kaha keh woh 21 ibaraat imamat ki sharaait hain.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 02:59 AM

Assalamu alykum bhai jaan mai nai yeh sari discussion parhi hai. yaar shamsheer e ala hazrat aap seedhi tarhaan jawab kion nahi detey qazi sahib kay sawalaat ka topic ko lamba kartey ja rahey ho. ya to keh do kay jawabaat nahi aatey to phir aqeedey par baat kareen.

counter question na karo pehley hee itney posts ho chukay hain. aap nay kaha hai kay aap ki meethi zubaan say mai impress hua. i think qazi sahib is following the sunnah of prophet Sallahu alihewasallam kion kay woh bhi bohet pyaar sey boltey the.

yahaan is discussion mai aik bhai nay qazi bhai kay us jawab mai jhaan inhon nay fazool aqeedey waloon ka jawab diya tha. kaha kay ahle hadeesoon ka poorana harba kay hum is ki pairwi nahi kartey us ki pairwi nahi kartey. to arz hai janab kay yeh ahle sunnat(salafi,Muhammadi,Ahle hadees) ka harba nahi hai thats what SIHABA do. example
kisi maslay mai abdullah bin omer raziallahanho ko roka gya kay aap kay waalid Hazrat Omer RaziAllahanho is kaam say roktey hain to farmaya. tu mujhai bata keh agar merey walid nay is kaam say mana kiya ho aur rasool nay is kaam ko kiya ho to bata kis ki itteba karni chahiye? merey walid ki ya Allah kay rasool ki? to is nay kaha beshak Allah kay rasool ki itteba ki jaye gee. Abdullah bin omer raziallahanho nay farmaya to phir sun lay Allah kay rasool Sallahu alihewasallam nay is ko kiya hai.
Tirmizi fe baab maja fe tamta raqumul hadees 844

is ka mutlub yeh nahi ke wo apney walid ameerul momineen ki nauzubillah gustaakhi kar rahey the wo to apney Rasool ki itteba kar rahey the

aur yahaan hum kehtey hain ALLAH kay rasool nay in ganday kamoo ko nahi kiya baat hamarey rasool ki mani jaye gee kisi aur ki nahi

aap apney aap ko shamsheer e ala hazrat,brelvi aur hanfi hee kaheen to behter hai ahle sunnat na hee kaheen. kion kay according to Shaykh abdul qadir jellani Ahle sunnat aik hee jamat hai aur wo ashabul hadees hain.


“As for al-Firqatun-Naajiyah (the Saved-Sect) it is Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, and there is no name for Ahlus-Sunnah except one - and that is Ashaabul-Hadeeth [5] (the People of the Hadeeth)” Al-Ghuniyatut-Taalibeen (p.212)


SHAYKH ABDUL QADIR JELLANI rahimullah nay ahnaf kay barey mai kya farmaya
unhoo nay 73 firqay alag kiye hain

jin 72 firqoon ko dozakh mai jana hai us kay barey mai likhtey hain

HANAFIA: in mai aik firqa hanafia hai jo abu hanifa noman bin saabit say mansoob hai.

(ghuniya tul talibeen page 204 Shaykh ghulam and sons publishers lahore haiderabad karachi)

khair yeh to mai nai chaltey chaltey baat keh dee hai. kion kay aap nay apney aap ko ahle sunnat kaha.ab aap plzz yeh bataien kay jo sawalaat qazi bhai nay kiye hain un ka jawab kub aaye ga aap aagey wazahat pe wazahat mangtey ja rahey hain discussion ko lamba mut karien.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 10:14 AM

Assalam alykum, asim bhai
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