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#21 Abdulsalam

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 03:37 PM


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Behar Hall, Ahl-e-Hadith ke maslak main to kisi bhi shakhs ki baat hujjat ke tor per pesh nahin ki jaa sakti....


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Posted 21 March 2009 - 05:28 PM

Assalamu'alaiyah!

Chaliye mamla aage barhate hain. Aap is baat ka jawab dain keh aapko kis ne bataya keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21 ibaraat dar-haqeeqat imamat ki sharaait hain? Iska jawab dain taake mazeed baat aage barhe. Main apni hifazat pehle hi kardun keh maine to nahi kaha keh woh 21 ibaraat imamat ki sharaait hain.


Walekum assalam,

Aaap ney kaha Aquidey ki buniyad par main aap ka bhai nahi to bhai aap ka aquida kya hai (is par inshallaha agey baat karenge abhi plz isko na ley) jaha tak mera ilm hai aap ko khud pata nahi hoga ki aap log masley me imam abu hanifa ramaullah key muquallid hai aaur Aquidey me Imam Abu Hasan Ashari aaur Imam Abu Mansoor Matoridi key to kya main pooch sakta ho ki aquidey me imam abu hanifa rahmatullah key muquallid kyo nahi hai, kyoki shayad unka aquida ain quran wa sunnat key mutabik hai, aaur unhoney jo liye quran wa sunnat se liya, magar ye alag baat hai ki unse kuch iztehadi khatay ho gai, kyoki wo masoom bil khata nahi hai, aaur mujeh lagta hai bhai aapki post dekh kar ki aap apni islah key kayal nahi hai, to aap ko yaad dila do ki aap bhi masoom bil khata nahi hai (nauzubillaha) agar masoom bil khata koi zaat hai to woh hai Amana ke Lal sallallaho allehe wassalam ke zaat. Aap aquida ki baat kartey hai jabki aap ka firqa barelvi mushkil se 100 saal purana hoga, aaur jismey shia aquidey ki tarjumani aap ko dakhil milegi, phir bhi aap apni islah key kayal nahi, mujeh aik baat bataiye ki agar aap ki baat quran wa hadith se takra jaye tab bhi aap usey chodney ke kayal hai ya nahi?

Ab aap ye na kahey ki naye masley badh rahe hai ye baat yaha tak aa jati hai, aap se guzarish hai ki ab ap woh sawal jo pehle se chale aa rahe hai unkey jawabat agli post me de de taki aage bada jaye.

Rahi baat Dur-re-Mukhtar ki to woh kisi bhi sahibe ilm key liye huzzat nahi hai jo apna imam allaha key pyare rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ko tasleem karta hai, woh qyamat ke subah ke aakhri namaz bhi aap key tarike se hi padhega inshallaha.

Durr-re-Mukhtar me to thareef hai usko samney lana murad thi woh puri hui, Mashallaha, ab aap sochtey rahiye ki woh sharait imamat ki hai ya nahi jo ilm rakhta hai usney dekha bhi samjha bhi.

Ab aap mumtaz bhai plz bachey huey 5 sawal jo hai unka silsilewar jawab dena shuru kar dijiye.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 10:23 PM

Arre bhai esa na karain please, discipline kharab na karain. Araam aur shaguftgi se baat karain main yahin hun kahin bhaaga nahi jaa raha.

Walekum assalam,
Aaap ney kaha Aquidey ki buniyad par main aap ka bhai nahi to bhai aap ka aquida kya hai (is par inshallaha agey baat karenge abhi plz isko na ley) jaha tak mera ilm hai aap ko khud pata nahi hoga ki aap log masley me imam abu hanifa ramaullah key muquallid hai aaur Aquidey me Imam Abu Hasan Ashari aaur Imam Abu Mansoor Matoridi key to kya main pooch sakta ho ki aquidey me imam abu hanifa rahmatullah key muquallid kyo nahi hai, kyoki shayad unka aquida ain quran wa sunnat key mutabik hai, aaur unhoney jo liye quran wa sunnat se liya, magar ye alag baat hai ki unse kuch iztehadi khatay ho gai, kyoki wo masoom bil khata nahi hai, aaur mujeh lagta hai bhai aapki post dekh kar ki aap apni islah key kayal nahi hai, to aap ko yaad dila do ki aap bhi masoom bil khata nahi hai (nauzubillaha) agar masoom bil khata koi zaat hai to woh hai Amana ke Lal sallallaho allehe wassalam ke zaat. Aap aquida ki baat kartey hai jabki aap ka firqa barelvi mushkil se 100 saal purana hoga, aaur jismey shia aquidey ki tarjumani aap ko dakhil milegi, phir bhi aap apni islah key kayal nahi, mujeh aik baat bataiye ki agar aap ki baat quran wa hadith se takra jaye tab bhi aap usey chodney ke kayal hai ya nahi?

Aqaaid par baat karne ki maine suggestion di keh koi aur topic open kar ke aap discuss karain taake aap ke pooche gae masaail ko koi farq na pohche lekin aap na maane aur yahin aqaaid par guftgu shuru farma di. Aur jo bhi newcomers aae hain main un se bhi guzarish karunga keh aap kisi aur topic par apne nae masale bayan karain kiunke Qazi sahib ko qat'an bardasht nahi keh unki mojudgi main kisi ki majal keh koi aur masaail saamne lae. Qazi sahib ki baat ki laaj rakhiye.
Phir Qazi sahib aap ne jo scheme di thi "5 ke jawab do aur ameer ban jao" aap is par please qaaim rahain kiun idhar udhar jaa rahe hain? Maine aap hi ke batae hue masaail par is topic par ab tak kia guftgu nahi ki? Yaqinan ki hai, jese aap maan gae hain keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki ibarat ka jo mafhoom aap ne dia maine woh ghalat sabit kia akhir main aap ne kaha keh jo bhi hai janab hai to Hadis ke khilaf hi. Ab is baat ka jawab dene par main aa raha tha lekin aap se sabr nahi hua. InshaAllah issi post main imamat ki 4 sharait wali Hadees par baat karunga be-fikar rahain.

Durr-re-Mukhtar me to thareef hai usko samney lana murad thi woh puri hui, Mashallaha, ab aap sochtey rahiye ki woh sharait imamat ki hai ya nahi jo ilm rakhta hai usney dekha bhi samjha bhi.

Aap ne meri baat ka jawab akhir nahi dia keh apko akhir kese pata chala keh Durr-e-Mukhtar main 21 ibaraat dar-haqeeqat imamat ki sharaait hain. Baharhaal main ab yeh baat karne jaa raha hun keh 21 ibaraat aur 4 sharaait wali Hadis main kia relation hai.
Sab se pehle to Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21 ibaraat jo aap ne paish ki woh yeh hain:

1. Sabse jyada namaz key hukum jaaney wala
2. Sabse achchi tilawat wala
3. sabse jyada nek
4. sabse jyada age wala
5. sabse achchey chal chalan wala
6. sabse jyada khubsurat shakal wala
7. sabse sharif nasal wala
8. sabse achey libas wala
9. sab barabar ho to parchi dal le
10. ya Phir log pasand kar ley
11. sablse jyada Raounak shakar wala
12. sabse badi nasab wala
13. sabse achi awaz wala
14. sabse khubsurat biwi wala (Nauzubillaha)
15. sabse jyada maal wala
16. Jiska sar baqi jism ki nisbat barha ho.
17. sabse jyada darze wala
18. musafir key mukabley me mukeem
19. phir azad, azad kiye gulam key mukable par
20. phir wazo key badley tayyammum wala, gusal key badley tayyammum wala
21. phir log jisey chahe imam bala le (Dur-re-Mukhtar)

(Ibarat no. 16 ko maine durust kardia hai)

Phir Muslim ki Hadis aap hi ke alfaz main:
1. Quran ka quari
2. Sunnat ka jyada janney wala
3. Hizrat me awwal
4. umar me bada.

Sab se pehle mujhe wazahat kardain keh yeh hizrat ka kia matlab hai? Jis zubaan ka yeh lafz aap ne likha hai meri woh zuban nahi, ya shayad mujhe samajh nahi araha. Lehaza wazahat karain hizrat kia hai.
Phir yeh bayan karain keh aik jamaa'at hain Musalmanon ki jis main 100 log hain. Un main se 10 log ese hain jo bohot ziyada Quran parhte hain, bohot ziyada Sunnaton ko janne wale hain, bohot hizrat main awal hai (Wallah a'lam iska kia matlab hai, wazahat par hi pata chalega) aur woh 10 k 10 assi (80) saal ke hain gharz yeh keh in main farq bayan kar hi nahi sakte keh kese aik ko doosre par tarjeeh dain. Ab aap kia karainge?

Yeh to hui wazahat talabi. Ab mere jawabaat aapki khidmat main arz hain. Aap ne yeh kehna chaha keh baaz sharaait (baqoul aapke) Durr-e-Mukhtar ki Sahih Hadis main sabit nahi lehaza amal karna sakht haram hai.
Sab se pehle yeh samajh lain keh sharaait woh hoti hain keh kisi shakhs main in main se agar aik bhi na paai jae to woh shakhs us amal ke laiq hi nahi hota. Umeed hai samajh agaya hoga.

Lijiye ham aapko wazahat kardete hain keh Durr-e-Mukhtar jinko aap sharaait samajh bethe hain woh haqeeqat main tarjeehaat hain. aap ne apni aql-e-saleem se samjha keh yeh sharaait hain jo keh durust nahi. Choonkeh ab main keh chuka keh Durr-e-Mukhtar main woh baaz aik Tarjeehaat hain na keh sharaait, ab aap zabardasti yeh nahi keh sakte keh nahi nahi janab yeh sharait hain yeh hai woh hai. kiunkeh aap ke saamne main keh chuka yeh tarjeehaat hain.
Mazeed wazahat mere nukte ki mulahiza karain, farz karain aik tarjeeh yeh hai keh ziyada achi awaz wala ho. yeh shart to ho hi nahi sakti kiunke kisi shakhs k muqabil jiski awaz usse ziyada achi na ho to woh bhi imamat karwa sakta hai. yeh to sirf tarjeeh hai, agar shart hoti to kam achi awaz wale ko imamat karna hi Haram hojati jo keh hamara tareeka nahi. Aur tarjeeh par amal na karne se imamat Haram nahi hojati, lekin fitnon se bachne ke liye amal karna behtar hai. Agar aap in tarjeehat ko nahi maante to yeh apki marzi. Umeed hai ab aap samajh gae honge. Kam achi awaz wala bhi imamat karna sakta hai.

Agla mera jawab aapki di hui ibarat no. 14 hai jis main likha hai keh jiski bivi sab se khubsurat ho. Is main kia hikmat hai ap nahi samajh sakke. Bivi ka jamal apne shohor ki nazron ki hifazat ka aik zarya hai keh woh sirf apni bivi hi ki taraf maail ho. Zahir hai woh shakhs ziada behtar hai jo ghair auraton par nazarain na daalta ho aur apni bivi ko hi apne liye behtar nemat samajhta ho aur apni bivi se woh mutmain aur khush ho, ibarat ka bhi yehi matlab hai. Phir wohi baat kehta hun keh yeh tarjeeh hai, shart nahi lehaza kisi muqable ki zarurat nahi. Warna to ghair shadi-shuda shakhs imamat hi na karwa sakta! Ghair shadi shuda jamaa'at karwa le is main kia harj hai? Phir yeh bhi zehen main rakhain keh khoobsurati Tahajjud se barhti hai.
Lehaza ibarat ka mafhoom yeh nikla keh jo apni bivi se mutmain ho keh uski nazron ki khoob hifazat ho taakeh dusri jaghain nazar na daale, jo keh tahajjud ki bhi alamat ho sakti hai. Umeed hai yeh baat bhi aapko wazeh ho chuki hogi.

Maine Imamat ka masala mukammal tour par aap ke saamne rakh diya hai aur aap ke diye hue mojuda tamam baaton ka jawab de dia hai jese:
ibarat no. 16 ka sahih mafhoom apki khidmat main arz kia.
Durr-e-Mukhtar main ibaraat ki sahih hesiat aapko batai.
Durr-e-Mukhtar ki Hadis-e-Muslim se relationship bhi bataai.
Ibarat no. 14 ka bhi jawab apko dedia.

Is poori behes main agar mujh se koi khataa hui ho to koi bhi Sunni bhai meri Islaah karde.

Ab please aql sharif ko hazir rakh kar, insaaf ko apne liye behtar maan kar jawab di jiye ga. Agar aap ziddi hain to main kuch nahi kar sakta.

Ab aap mumtaz bhai plz bachey huey 5 sawal jo hai unka silsilewar jawab dena shuru kar dijiye.

Imamat ka masala to chal hi raha hai, aap ko khush karne ke liye InshaAllah agli post se main aik aur masala discuss karunga phir yeh donon masaail sath sath chalenge. Umeed hai apko bura nahi lagega. Aur discipline ka bhi khayal rakhiye ga.
Auron ko guzarish hai keh ab hamari discussion barhi hi serious morh par agaee hai, lehaza dour beth kar sirf tamasha dekhain lekin agar topic ke mutabik hi koi baat karni hai to most welcome bashart ye keh topic ko idhar udhar na ghuma dia jae point par baat ho!

Edited by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat, 21 March 2009 - 10:25 PM.

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 11:36 AM


Assalam alykum,
Mujeh samaj nahi aa raha ki akhir kaha mainey descipline ko hurt kiya ?

Mumtaz bhai mujeh lagta hai aap jawab dena nahi chah rahe 1 mahina honey ko aaya aap mujse hi counter attack kartey hai.

Hazrat Abdullaha bin Abbas radiallaha anhu key pass jab koi masla puchney aata to aap farmatey ki kaya ye waqiya pesh aa gaya agar aa gaya to iska hal bataya jayega warna aap wapis chaley jaye.

Yani ki jab mamla pesh aa jaye to uska hal khoja jayega magar aap logo ka baba adam hi nirala ha pehle mamla soch kar gartey hai phir uska hal bhi apni moti soch se likhtey hai be sir pair ka aaur phir uskey liye jamaney bhar se ladai bhi kartey hai allah khair karey.

Mian aap se baar baar kah raha ho ki apki tahreef dikhana masksad tha woh pura hua.

Ab aap usey shariat samjhey ya jo samjhna hai samjhtey rahiye sahabul ilm ko usseky kuch lena dena nahi hai merey bhai, aap clarification detey rahiye ki iska matlab ye hai woh hai bas. Mera sawal tha Kya Rasullaha sallallaho allehe wassalam ne ye hukum diya kya ? aap ne man liya ki nahi diya baat khatam ho gai ab dusrey ki baat to ham apney pair key jooto par rakhtey hai main pehley hi clear kar diya tha.

Ab app agli post me bachey huey 5 sawal key jawab aik baar me hi de dijiye ki kya rasul allaha sallallaho allehe wassalam ney woh hukum diye ya nahi.

Taki aap ki khawahish key mutabik aagey ki baat shuru karey.

Fi Aman illah

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 02:16 PM

Aap ne meri baat ka jawab akhir nahi dia keh apko akhir kese pata chala keh Durr-e-Mukhtar main 21 ibaraat dar-haqeeqat imamat ki sharaait hain. Baharhaal main ab yeh baat karne jaa raha hun keh 21 ibaraat aur 4 sharaait wali Hadis main kia relation hai.
Sab se pehle to Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21 ibaraat jo aap ne paish ki woh yeh hain:

1. Sabse jyada namaz key hukum jaaney wala
2. Sabse achchi tilawat wala
3. sabse jyada nek
4. sabse jyada age wala
5. sabse achchey chal chalan wala
6. sabse jyada khubsurat shakal wala
7. sabse sharif nasal wala
8. sabse achey libas wala
9. sab barabar ho to parchi dal le
10. ya Phir log pasand kar ley
11. sablse jyada Raounak shakar wala
12. sabse badi nasab wala
13. sabse achi awaz wala
14. sabse khubsurat biwi wala (Nauzubillaha)
15. sabse jyada maal wala
16. Jiska sar baqi jism ki nisbat barha ho.
17. sabse jyada darze wala
18. musafir key mukabley me mukeem
19. phir azad, azad kiye gulam key mukable par
20. phir wazo key badley tayyammum wala, gusal key badley tayyammum wala
21. phir log jisey chahe imam bala le (Dur-re-Mukhtar)

(Ibarat no. 16 ko maine durust kardia hai)

Phir Muslim ki Hadis aap hi ke alfaz main:
1. Quran ka quari
2. Sunnat ka jyada janney wala
3. Hizrat me awwal
4. umar me bada.

Sab se pehle mujhe wazahat kardain keh yeh hizrat ka kia matlab hai? Jis zubaan ka yeh lafz aap ne likha hai meri woh zuban nahi, ya shayad mujhe samajh nahi araha. Lehaza wazahat karain hizrat kia hai
Phir yeh bayan karain keh aik jamaa'at hain Musalmanon ki jis main 100 log hain. Un main se 10 log ese hain jo bohot ziyada Quran parhte hain, bohot ziyada Sunnaton ko janne wale hain, bohot hizrat main awal hai (Wallah a'lam iska kia matlab hai, wazahat par hi pata chalega) aur woh 10 k 10 assi (80) saal ke hain gharz yeh keh in main farq bayan kar hi nahi sakte keh kese aik ko doosre par tarjeeh dain. Ab aap kia karainge?


Janab Hadees yeh hai agar aap nay hadees parhi hoti to aap ko in sab batoon ka jawab mil jana tha.

Qaum ki Imamut woh aadmi karwaye jo kitab Allah ko ziadah Parhney wala ho, Pus agar woh(yani Qaum kay loge) Qir`at mai barabur hoon to phir woh aadmi karwaye jo sunnat ka ziadah ilam rakhta hai, aur agar woh sab sunnat kay ilam mai barabar hain, to phir woh aadmi jam`at karaye jis nay hijrat pehley ki ho, agar woh hijrat mai bhi barabur hoon to woh karaye jo Musalmaan pehley hua ho, Aur koi aadmi kisi doosrey aadmi ki imamat us ki saltanut mai karwaye aur na hee us kay ghar mai baghair us ki ijazat kay is ki (khas) izzat wali jagha par hee bethey.(baaz riwayat mai jo age mei bara ho wo jam`at karaye ke alfaaz hain) [Muslim jild 1 Kitab Ul Masaajid Baab mun Ahaq Bil Imamatun][Abu Dawood,Tirmidhi,Nisaai,Ibn e maaja]

janab aap nay hizrat ki wazahat mangi thi to bhai qazi sahib india kay rehney waley hain to jo lafz wo wahaan boltey hain wohi yahaan likhtey hain. hizrat ka mani hijrat hai wesey maaf kijiye ga 1st standard mai bhi jo bacha ho ga wo is ko samajh jaye ga.

aap nay kaha sab aik hee jesey loge hoon to wahaan kya karey to bhai jaan wahaan sab ka mashwara lay lo. jo bhi karwa lay sahi hai. us kay liye itnee lambi list nahi chahiye kay us ki biwi pyaree ho us ka ala tanasul aisa ho waisa ho. aur pata nahi kya kya. Aqal kay naakhun lo yaar.

Agla mera jawab aapki di hui ibarat no. 14 hai jis main likha hai keh jiski bivi sab se khubsurat ho. Is main kia hikmat hai ap nahi samajh sakke. Bivi ka jamal apne shohor ki nazron ki hifazat ka aik zarya hai keh woh sirf apni bivi hi ki taraf maail ho. Zahir hai woh shakhs ziada behtar hai jo ghair auraton par nazarain na daalta ho aur apni bivi ko hi apne liye behtar nemat samajhta ho aur apni bivi se woh mutmain aur khush ho, ibarat ka bhi yehi matlab hai. Phir wohi baat kehta hun keh yeh tarjeeh hai, shart nahi lehaza kisi muqable ki zarurat nahi. Warna to ghair shadi-shuda shakhs imamat hi na karwa sakta! Ghair shadi shuda jamaa'at karwa le is main kia harj hai? Phir yeh bhi zehen main rakhain keh khoobsurati Tahajjud se barhti hai.
Lehaza ibarat ka mafhoom yeh nikla keh jo apni bivi se mutmain ho keh uski nazron ki khoob hifazat ho taakeh dusri jaghain nazar na daale, jo keh tahajjud ki bhi alamat ho sakti hai. Umeed hai yeh baat bhi aapko wazeh ho chuki hogi.


bhai yeh itni lambi wazaahat agar koi aam banda durre mukhtaar ko parhe to woh to ho gya na bechara hanafiat say door kion kay us ko kya pata is ki kya wazahat hai? aisee wazahat sahib e durr e mukhtar ko khud karni chahiye thi. becharey hanafioon ko tension daal gaye wazahat karney kay liye.

Auron ko guzarish hai keh ab hamari discussion barhi hi serious morh par agaee hai, lehaza dour beth kar sirf tamasha dekhain lekin agar topic ke mutabik hi koi baat karni hai to most welcome bashart ye keh topic ko idhar udhar na ghuma dia jae point par baat ho!


bhai yahaan konsa tamasha laga hai?? Ahadees ki mehfil ko aap tamasha keh rahey hain. lagta hai aap yahaan sirf maza lay rahey hain ilam nahi seekh rahe. tamasha ho ga yeh aap kay aur aap kay raza khani bhaioon kay liye. maaf kijiye ga agar bura laga

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 12:06 AM

Chalain khushi hui aik mozu to ikhtitam ko pocha. Alhamdulillah, maine poori wazahat kardi hai jo kuch aap ne poochi. Ab phir bhi aap isko tehreef samjhen yeh apki marzi hai. Asim sahib ne bohot hi be-bunyad batain, agar aap Qazi sahib se poochainge keh kia Durr-e-Mukhtar main ala tanasul ka esa hona wesa hona? Qazi sahib kahainge keh nahi janab aap ne apni kam-aqli se samjha yeh jabkeh Durr-e-Mukhtar main esi koi baat nahi likhi hui. Baqi ki wazahat main kar chuka hun pichli post main hi poori detail hai. Phir Asim sahib ne Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat qabool karke yaani "phir log jisse chahain imam bana dain" tehreef kar dali Qazi sahib ke usool ke mutabik kiunkeh yeh Imamat wali Hadees main sabit nahi lehaza tehreef hai.
Phir tamasha aap dekh chuke keh meri akhri dandaan shikan post aai to phir mozu tabdeel karne ki soojhi, issi ko maine tamasha kaha tha. Baqi aap ne kuch aur samjha to ap hi ki aql ka fault hai.
Ab InshaAllah main doosra mozu yaani "Sharab se bana hua Sirka" par aik apna hi likha hua article post karunga agli post main. Is se pehle main is imamat wale mozu par aik akhri sawal poochna chahta hun. keh kia imamat ke liye hijrat karna shart hai? Aap keh chuke keh sharaait sirf 4 hain woh Hadees main hai, to ab bataen janab yeh hukm to har sadi (century) main maana jaega warna to tehreef hojaegi baqoul Qazi sahib ke.. phir aap main se kis kis ne hijrat ki hai? Kia Ghair Muqallidon ke har imam ne hijrat ki jo imamat ke liye masjid main itni jaldi taiyar hojate hain? Tabhi to maine hizrat ki wazahat talab ki, taake aap apne alfaaz se aa'iraz na farmain. To ab iska jawab dain. Asim sahib se guzarish hai Qazi sahib ki tarha zimmedar ho kar jawab dain, bila waja kiun left right jaate hain?

Allah hamain haq qabool karne ka hosla dai, aur imaan ke masale ko ham apni ana ka masala na banaen. Aammeen.

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 10:48 AM

Chalain khushi hui aik mozu to ikhtitam ko pocha. Alhamdulillah, maine poori wazahat kardi hai jo kuch aap ne poochi. Ab phir bhi aap isko tehreef samjhen yeh apki marzi hai. Asim sahib ne bohot hi be-bunyad batain, agar aap Qazi sahib se poochainge keh kia Durr-e-Mukhtar main ala tanasul ka esa hona wesa hona? Qazi sahib kahainge keh nahi janab aap ne apni kam-aqli se samjha yeh jabkeh Durr-e-Mukhtar main esi koi baat nahi likhi hui. Baqi ki wazahat main kar chuka hun pichli post main hi poori detail hai. Phir Asim sahib ne Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat qabool karke yaani "phir log jisse chahain imam bana dain" tehreef kar dali Qazi sahib ke usool ke mutabik kiunkeh yeh Imamat wali Hadees main sabit nahi lehaza tehreef hai.

Phir tamasha aap dekh chuke keh meri akhri dandaan shikan post aai to phir mozu tabdeel karne ki soojhi, issi ko maine tamasha kaha tha. Baqi aap ne kuch aur samjha to ap hi ki aql ka fault hai.
Ab InshaAllah main doosra mozu yaani "Sharab se bana hua Sirka" par aik apna hi likha hua article post karunga agli post main. Is se pehle main is imamat wale mozu par aik akhri sawal poochna chahta hun. keh kia imamat ke liye hijrat karna shart hai? Aap keh chuke keh sharaait sirf 4 hain woh Hadees main hai, to ab bataen janab yeh hukm to har sadi (century) main maana jaega warna to tehreef hojaegi baqoul Qazi sahib ke.. phir aap main se kis kis ne hijrat ki hai? Kia Ghair Muqallidon ke har imam ne hijrat ki jo imamat ke liye masjid main itni jaldi taiyar hojate hain? Tabhi to maine hizrat ki wazahat talab ki, taake aap apne alfaaz se aa'iraz na farmain. To ab iska jawab dain. Asim sahib se guzarish hai Qazi sahib ki tarha zimmedar ho kar jawab dain, bila waja kiun left right jaate hain?

Allah hamain haq qabool karne ka hosla dai, aur imaan ke masale ko ham apni ana ka masala na banaen. Aammeen.


Assalam alykum, Mumtaz bhai plz bhai baat ko idhar udhar na kar key jald se jald faisley ki taraf laney ki koshish karey, Dekhiye aap baar baar iska matlab uska matlab kah kar kyo time kharab kar rahe hai, thareef matlab tahreef man kyo nahi lete. ab sab ne hijrat ki hai ki nahi ye hua ki nahi woh hua ki nahi ye kya hai bhai mainey pehle hi kaha ki allaha ke rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat key saath baat oonchi karney key ham kayal nahi ham aap key martabe ka khayal rakhtey hai. ab aap sahebe dur-re-mukhtar ki kalam ki hifazat key chakkar me ye nahi soch rahe ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki mubark hadith (jo ki dar asal allaha ka hi kaul hoti hai) ki tauhin par tauhin kar rahey hai jissey sakt takleef ho rahi hai ? Sawal tha ki KYA RASOOLULLAHA SALLALLAHO ALLEHE WASSALM NEY IMAMAT KA WOH HUKUM DIYA THA YA NAHI. aap ne nahi diya tha baat khatam khallas. kisi Maa ney woh lal paida nahi kiya jo ab aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat ke baad ye sochey ki issey faisala mushkil hai jaisey aap ne kaha ki agar sab 80 saal key ho tab arey bhai agar sab 80 saal ke ho bhi gaye to koi aisa jaroor hoga jo sirf 1 min. hi bada hoga magar hoga jaroor, ye hamara aquida hai. Agar ab bhi kisi ney is faisley key baad koi aaur baat sochi ya kahi to woh insaan aaur Jinn to ho nahi sakta woh sirf shaitan hi hoga, ye hamara aquida hai.

aap baar baar hijrat ka sawal kartey hai bataiye jamat kaha farz hui? phir iska jawab khud mil jayega arey yaar simple hai hijrat aik darja hai jo qyamat tak hoga agar aap ko deen par amal karey se pakistan me roka jaye aaur aap waha se yaha india me aa jaye to aap ko hijrat ka sawab inshallaha milega. phir aap agar mujeh umar me chotey bhi honge to phele imamat ka haq aap ka.

Main ab chahta ho dil se ki aap dusrey sawalo ki taraf aa jaiye aaur agli post me jawab de dijiye ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ne woh hukum diye ya nahi, agar jawab nahi dena hai to bhai plz is discussion ko ham band kartey hai.

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 07:49 PM

ab sab ne hijrat ki hai ki nahi ye hua ki nahi woh hua ki nahi ye kya hai bhai mainey pehle hi kaha ki allaha ke rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat key saath baat oonchi karney key ham kayal nahi ham aap key martabe ka khayal rakhtey hai. ab aap sahebe dur-re-mukhtar ki kalam ki hifazat key chakkar me ye nahi soch rahe ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki mubark hadith (jo ki dar asal allaha ka hi kaul hoti hai) ki tauhin par tauhin kar rahey hai jissey sakt takleef ho rahi hai ? Sawal tha ki KYA RASOOLULLAHA SALLALLAHO ALLEHE WASSALM NEY IMAMAT KA WOH HUKUM DIYA THA YA NAHI. aap ne nahi diya tha baat khatam khallas. kisi Maa ney woh lal paida nahi kiya jo ab aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat ke baad ye sochey ki issey faisala mushkil hai jaisey aap ne kaha ki agar sab 80 saal key ho tab arey bhai agar sab 80 saal ke ho bhi gaye to koi aisa jaroor hoga jo sirf 1 min. hi bada hoga magar hoga jaroor, ye hamara aquida hai. Agar ab bhi kisi ney is faisley key baad koi aaur baat sochi ya kahi to woh insaan aaur Jinn to ho nahi sakta woh sirf shaitan hi hoga, ye hamara aquida hai.


mai qazi sahib ki baat say agree karta hun aur apni us baat say jis mai kaha tha ke sab ka mashwara lay lo ruju karta hun. Allah kay nabi nay jo baat ki woh haq hai aur us mai keerey nikalna kisi pagal ka hee kam hai. aur Ruju karna sihaba say saabit hai.

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 08:10 PM

Chalain khushi hui aik mozu to ikhtitam ko pocha. Alhamdulillah, maine poori wazahat kardi hai jo kuch aap ne poochi. Ab phir bhi aap isko tehreef samjhen yeh apki marzi hai. Asim sahib ne bohot hi be-bunyad batain, agar aap Qazi sahib se poochainge keh kia Durr-e-Mukhtar main ala tanasul ka esa hona wesa hona? Qazi sahib kahainge keh nahi janab aap ne apni kam-aqli se samjha yeh jabkeh Durr-e-Mukhtar main esi koi baat nahi likhi hui. Baqi ki wazahat main kar chuka hun pichli post main hi poori detail hai. Phir Asim sahib ne Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat qabool karke yaani "phir log jisse chahain imam bana dain" tehreef kar dali Qazi sahib ke usool ke mutabik kiunkeh yeh Imamat wali Hadees main sabit nahi lehaza tehreef hai.

lagta hai meri baatien shamsheer ki tarhaan aap lo lagi hain itna gussa kion mujh par?
bhai jaan mai ruju kar chuka hun aur merey ruju par aiteraaz karna hai to sihaba par pehley aiteraaz kijiye.
bhai jaan mai nay hadees likhi aur hawala bhi diya aur aap nay kaha asim sahab nay be buniyaad batien ki hai (Nauzubillah)
aur Quran aur ahadees mai taveelaat aur tehreefaat to aap kertey hee hain ab aap sahib e durr e mukhtaar ki batoon ki taveel kar rahey hain un ka yeh matlab tha wo matlab tha.

Phir tamasha aap dekh chuke keh meri akhri dandaan shikan post aai to phir mozu tabdeel karne ki soojhi, issi ko maine tamasha kaha tha. Baqi aap ne kuch aur samjha to ap hi ki aql ka fault hai.


aap nay phir tamasha kaha mujhai lagta hai aap aalimana alfaaz use karney sey ghabratey hain. aur konsi dandaan shikan post?? humien to lagi hee nahi. aur muzu kis nay change kiya jhoot to kum sey kum na bolien.

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 09:08 PM

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Mashallah janab nay kitney aram say keh diya hai keh yeh mansookh hai muslim wala hukam haan janab karien bhi kya imaam karkhi(hanfi) ki kitab asool e karkhi ki ibarat kisi say dhaki chupi nahi hai
(har woh hadees jo hamarey ashaab kay khilaaf ho wo nasakh par mahmool hai ya wo moariz ho gee is jesi kisi hadees kay)Asool e karkhi page 11 Tba Idara Ahya Al Sunnah

lihaza asooli soorat e haal he yeh hei becharey hanfioon ki to phir jis qadar bhi sahih dalaail kion na paish kar diye jaien to woh qaabil e qabool kesey ho saktey hain??? baat asal yeh hai imam ki baat ko saabit karney kay liye zaeef aur mozooh ahadees ka sahara liya jata hai aur sahih ahadees ko chor diya jata hai.

hazrat jabir bin abdullah raziallahanho farmatey hain Be shak Rasool Allah Sallahu alihewasallam nay farmaya jo cheeze ziada istemaal kerney sey nasha paida karey us ko thorra istemaal karna bhi haraam hai(tirmizi p 6/8 abwaab al ashraba)

aap nay ariticle may galat byani ki hai aap nay likha hai kay angoor ki shraab haraam hai halaankeh hidaya kitab ul ashraba 4/421 mai likha hai
angoor ka sheerah jub isay pakaya jaye yahaan tuk keh is ka do tehaai hissa chala jaye(khushk ho jaye) aur aik tehaai baqi reh jaye to yeh agar husool e quwwat kay liye istemaal kiya jaye to imam abu hanifa aur abu yusuf kay nazdeek halaal hai agarcha is mai shiddat paida ho jaye(yani nasha paida ho jaye)

ya to aap ki baat sahi hai ya sahib e hidaya aap yahaan kaheen gay keh is mai husool e taqat kay liye istemaal karna jaiz likha hai to lijiye janab hadees paish hai
hazrat ceelam humairee raziallahanho byan kartey hain keh mai nay rasool Allah Sallahu alihewasallam say sawaal kiya hum aik sard ilaqay mai kam kartey hain aur hum sakhat mushaqqat ka kam kartey hain aur hum gandum say sharaab taiyaar kartey hain jis say hum apney kam aur apney mulk ki sardee par takat(quwwat) haasil kartey hain to aap SALLAHU ALIHEWASALLAM nay farmaya kya is kay istemaal say nasha paida ho jata hai?? to mai nay kaha haan is say nasha paida hota hai. to aap nay farmaya is ko istemaal na kiya karo to mai nay kaha loge to is ko nahi chorrien gay to Rasool Allah Sallahu alihewasallam nay farmaya agar woh loge is sharaab ko (jo husool e quwwat kay liye istemaal ki jati hai) to tum in say jihad karna (abu dawood jild 2 page 162 kitab ul ashraba)

aap nay behaqay aur darqutni say hadees paish ki janab is ki sanad to parho kya hai paya saboot tuk pohonchti hai ya kay nahi??? khud hee jawab mil jaye ga aur is kay muqaabley mai muslim ki hadees ko mansookh kese bana diya khadim e Rasool Hazrat Anas raziallahanho farmatey hain keh beshak nabi kareem sallahu alihewasallam say sharaab kay barey mai sawaal kiya gya keh is say sirqa taiyaar kar liya jaye to aap nay irshaad farmaya nahi muslim 2/163 kitab ul ashraba itni wazeh hadees hai yeh.

aap nay kaha is mai sirkay kay haram honey kay barey mai zikar hee nahi sirf LA ka zikar hai to janab yeh aap ki kya fazool tareen baat hai ALLAH kay nabi say sharaab kay sirkay kay barey mai hee sawaal hua tha au aap nay us ka hee jawab diya hai aisee faqahat aap ko he mubarak ho. ooper hadees bar bar parhein nabi say jis cheeze ka sawal hua us ka hee jawab daina hai ya nahi ya to aik uar gustaakhi karien kay nauzubillah nabi nay jawab deney mai khianat kar dee hai Lanat karey Allah aisey logoon par jo aisa sochtey hain.


aap nay logoon ko kitna dhoka diya hai yeh keh kar kay Quran ki ayat say takratee hai janab Quran aur hadees mai zra bhi ikhtilaaf nahi hai. Muslim ki hadees sahi hai aur is ka aiteraaf aap nay apney hee article mai kar diya hai aur kaha hai kah mansookh hai. sahi mana tub hee to is ko mansookh karaar diya na janab aap kon hotey hain mansookh karney waley.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 12:24 AM

Assalam alykum, Mumtaz bhai plz bhai baat ko idhar udhar na kar key jald se jald faisley ki taraf laney ki koshish karey, Dekhiye aap baar baar iska matlab uska matlab kah kar kyo time kharab kar rahe hai, thareef matlab tahreef man kyo nahi lete. ab sab ne hijrat ki hai ki nahi ye hua ki nahi woh hua ki nahi ye kya hai bhai mainey pehle hi kaha ki allaha ke rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat key saath baat oonchi karney key ham kayal nahi ham aap key martabe ka khayal rakhtey hai. ab aap sahebe dur-re-mukhtar ki kalam ki hifazat key chakkar me ye nahi soch rahe ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki mubark hadith (jo ki dar asal allaha ka hi kaul hoti hai) ki tauhin par tauhin kar rahey hai jissey sakt takleef ho rahi hai ? Sawal tha ki KYA RASOOLULLAHA SALLALLAHO ALLEHE WASSALM NEY IMAMAT KA WOH HUKUM DIYA THA YA NAHI. aap ne nahi diya tha baat khatam khallas. kisi Maa ney woh lal paida nahi kiya jo ab aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat ke baad ye sochey ki issey faisala mushkil hai jaisey aap ne kaha ki agar sab 80 saal key ho tab arey bhai agar sab 80 saal ke ho bhi gaye to koi aisa jaroor hoga jo sirf 1 min. hi bada hoga magar hoga jaroor, ye hamara aquida hai. Agar ab bhi kisi ney is faisley key baad koi aaur baat sochi ya kahi to woh insaan aaur Jinn to ho nahi sakta woh sirf shaitan hi hoga, ye hamara aquida hai.

Yaani aapko phir confirm tehqeeq karni parhgi aik aik minute ki warna tehreef hojaegi aur imamat Haram hojaegi, haina? Khair yeh to ese hi kaha maine!
Bhai, barhi umar ke logon ke baare main aksar esa hota hai keh unki tareekh-e-paidaish sabit nahi hoti. Ab jese maine aksar barhi umar ke logon ko dekha jo India se hijrat karke aae hain unko apni tareekh-e-paidaish maloom nahi hoti. Ab farz karain keh un 10 k 10 logon ki umar andazan 80 saal ki lagti hai lekin tareekh-e-paidaish kisi ki sabit nahi hai (yaqin to nahi horaha hoga lekin farz karain keh esa masala paish agaya phir) phir janab kia karainge?
Asim sahib ne to kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat par amal kia jaega yaani "phir log jisse chahain imaam bana dain" lekin yeh to tehreef hogai na bhai....!!! Ab bazahir woh aap se ruju karte hue nazar arahe hain, chalain aapki marzi, yeh bhi apki marzi keh logon se mashwara karna bhi Haram aur shaitani amal hai. bohot ache! Acha to ala tanasul wali baat se kon ruju karega? Qazi sahib inko zara samjhaen keh is par ruju karne ka bhi please.

Chalain, aapki is tamam baat ka mafhoom aur Asim sahib ki aik post ka mafhoom aik hi nikalta hai keh aap yeh maante hani keh jo cheez Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi woh tehreef yaani Bid'at hai. Aur har bid'at par amal karna Haram hai aur gumrahi hai aur esa karne wala insaan ya Jinn nahi shaitan hota hai. Janab aik baat aap ko main aur bata dun, aap ne kaha tha tehreef is bunyad par hai keh imamat ki asal 4 sharait hain aur aao 21 maante hain, iska maine jawab dia phir apko ab aap keh rahe hain keh janab jo bhi hai hai to tehreef chahe sharait ho ya kuch hon.
Yaani imamat ke liye naik bande ko tarjeeh dena shaitani amal aur tehreef hai,
imamat ke liye ziyada namaz ke masaail janne wala paish karna shaitani amal hai,
waghera waghera.
Phir aap ne kaha maine Hadees ki tauhin par tauhin ki, yaqin ki jiye aap se mujhe is ilzaam ki umeed na thi. Mujhe barha dukh hua aapki yeh baat parh kar. Baharhaal, yeh masala ab imamat ki sharait se badal kar tehreef aur Bid'at ki taraf jaa raha hai, is par to bohot se topic khule hue hain janab aap ne nae sirre se yeh baat karni chahi imamat ka mozu ta'aruf karwa kar woh bhi direct nahi, pehle khoob aitarazat kiye phir jawab milne par baad main asal baat kahi keh bid'at hai. Bid'at o Tehreef ke mamle main chand aik yeh topics hain,
Phir yeh wala to ghaliban aap hi ke aik Ghair Muqallid bhai ne khola hua hai jo ab ghayab hogae hain, shayad woh sabit nahi kar paa rahe hain to agar aap unki madad kar sakte hain is par to zaroor karain keh "jo Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi uspar amal Haram aur shaitani amal hai":
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baar baar hijrat ka sawal kartey hai bataiye jamat kaha farz hui? phir iska jawab khud mil jayega arey yaar simple hai hijrat aik darja hai jo qyamat tak hoga agar aap ko deen par amal karey se pakistan me roka jaye aaur aap waha se yaha india me aa jaye to aap ko hijrat ka sawab inshallaha milega. phir aap agar mujeh umar me chotey bhi honge to phele imamat ka haq aap ka.


baar baar kab kaha hai? aik hi post par to baat ki hai hijrat ki shart ke mamle par...! Aap bhi na mazak karte rehte hain. lol
Anyways, Bhai to aap ne bataya nahi keh hijrat imamat ke liye shart hai to isko khulle aam aap ki taraf se awazain kiun nahi aatin keh hijrat jisne nahi ki uski imamat Haram aur sarasar tehreef hai aur shaitani amal hai? Agar main ghalat nahi to Hijrat to tabhi ki jaati hai jab kisi ilaaqe rehna hi dushwar hojae aur imaan bachane ke liye hijrat karni parh jaae apna maal waghera chorh kar. Phir aap ki masaajid ke imamon ne esi koi hijrat ki? Warna to musafat kehte ya shift hojana kehte haina? Ab jese koi kuffar ke ilaaqe se behzaar hokar Musalmanon ki saltanat main aae apna imaan bachane ki niyat se keh rehna hi dushwar hogaya, to kahainge keh usne hijrat ki... To jo log Europe waghera Kuffar ke mulkon main jaate hain woh bhi apna Islami mulk chorh kar woh to hijrat nahi hai phir woh imamat kese kar lete hain wahan? Yaqinan woh Tableegh ke liye jaate hain, lekin hijrat karne ke liye thorhi jaate hain...

Main ab chahta ho dil se ki aap dusrey sawalo ki taraf aa jaiye aaur agli post me jawab de dijiye ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ne woh hukum diye ya nahi, agar jawab nahi dena hai to bhai plz is discussion ko ham band kartey hai.


Jee aap ne sahih kaha keh ab imamat se hatt kar tehreef-o-bid'at tak chala gaya mamla, to behtar hai unhi topics par baat karain jis par pehle ho chuka ho ya horaha ho taake baat dobara ibtida se shuru karain na parhe, warna waqt zaya hoga. Mazrat aik aur baat karna parh rahi hai, keh mere imtahaan bhi shuru hone wale hain, lehaza computer par waqt dena mushkil hojaega. Lekin Alhamdulillah, mere ilm ke mutabik maine poori wazahat kardi hai un aitarazat ki jo Durr-e-Mukhtar par kiye gae the. Ab baat chali Tehreef-o-Bid'at par to is mozu ka sahih tareeqa bhi apko bata dia. Wese yeh mozu par baat ho chuki hui hai dusre topics par. InshaAllah fikar na karain, is topic ko jaari rakhne ke liye aik aur bhai se maine guzarish ki hai woh jawab de dena shuru kardenge aapko. InshaAllah meri kami mehsoos nahi hogi.
Akhri baat yeh keh janaab Asim sahib aap ki akhri post ke hawalat jo diye hain InshaAllah unko mila kar main dekhunga, kuch taqeeq ke baad jawab ya khud dunga ya dilwa dunga. Intazar farmaen!
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 02:26 AM

Yaani aapko phir confirm tehqeeq karni parhgi aik aik minute ki warna tehreef hojaegi aur imamat Haram hojaegi, haina? Khair yeh to ese hi kaha maine!
Bhai, barhi umar ke logon ke baare main aksar esa hota hai keh unki tareekh-e-paidaish sabit nahi hoti. Ab jese maine aksar barhi umar ke logon ko dekha jo India se hijrat karke aae hain unko apni tareekh-e-paidaish maloom nahi hoti. Ab farz karain keh un 10 k 10 logon ki umar andazan 80 saal ki lagti hai lekin tareekh-e-paidaish kisi ki sabit nahi hai (yaqin to nahi horaha hoga lekin farz karain keh esa masala paish agaya phir) phir janab kia karainge?
Asim sahib ne to kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat par amal kia jaega yaani "phir log jisse chahain imaam bana dain" lekin yeh to tehreef hogai na bhai....!!! Ab bazahir woh aap se ruju karte hue nazar arahe hain, chalain aapki marzi, yeh bhi apki marzi keh logon se mashwara karna bhi Haram aur shaitani amal hai. bohot ache! Acha to ala tanasul wali baat se kon ruju karega? Qazi sahib inko zara samjhaen keh is par ruju karne ka bhi please.

janab aap brelvi loge farz bohet kartey hain bhai zra haqeeqat ki duniya me bhi aaien farz kar kar ke deen bigaar dala he aap logoon ne. ala tanasul ki baat kartey huye he mujhey sharam aati he. us say kese ruju kar loon durre mukhtaar me to yeh hee word likha hai phir aap chahe jo marzi taveel kar lien ala tanasul ka word likhtey huye sharm na aai aap ke allama ko koi ur word use kar letey. aur aap ko sharaait e imamut ki hadees bheji thi aap ke in sarey bebuniyaad sawaloon ka jawab us me hai. idher udher kion bhagtey ho hadees parho aur jawab le lo.

Chalain, aapki is tamam baat ka mafhoom aur Asim sahib ki aik post ka mafhoom aik hi nikalta hai keh aap yeh maante hani keh jo cheez Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi woh tehreef yaani Bid'at hai. Aur har bid'at par amal karna Haram hai aur gumrahi hai aur esa karne wala insaan ya Jinn nahi shaitan hota hai. Janab aik baat aap ko main aur bata dun, aap ne kaha tha tehreef is bunyad par hai keh imamat ki asal 4 sharait hain aur aao 21 maante hain, iska maine jawab dia phir apko ab aap keh rahe hain keh janab jo bhi hai hai to tehreef chahe sharait ho ya kuch hon.

bhai aap ko tehreef aur bidat me farq nazar nahi aata kya. bidat deen me nai cheeze ejad karne ka naam hai. aur tehreef quran o hadees me lafzi ya moanavi changing kokehtey hain. jis ko itna nahi pata wo kya ilmi baat karey ga. aap sirf idher udher ki baat ker kay waqt zaai kar rahey hain.

Yaani imamat ke liye naik bande ko tarjeeh dena shaitani amal aur tehreef hai,
imamat ke liye ziyada namaz ke masaail janne wala paish karna shaitani amal hai,
waghera waghera.

ilzam tarashi to brelviat ke thekey daroon ki purani aadat hai hum nay yeh kub kha keh yeh shetani amal hai.hamara dawah to yeh hai keh jo baat hadees me hai durre mukhtaar me us k tehreef kar dee gai hai.

Anyways, Bhai to aap ne bataya nahi keh hijrat imamat ke liye shart hai to isko khulle aam aap ki taraf se awazain kiun nahi aatin keh hijrat jisne nahi ki uski imamat Haram aur sarasar tehreef hai aur shaitani amal hai? Agar main ghalat nahi to Hijrat to tabhi ki jaati hai jab kisi ilaaqe rehna hi dushwar hojae aur imaan bachane ke liye hijrat karni parh jaae apna maal waghera chorh kar. Phir aap ki masaajid ke imamon ne esi koi hijrat ki? Warna to musafat kehte ya shift hojana kehte haina? Ab jese koi kuffar ke ilaaqe se behzaar hokar Musalmanon ki saltanat main aae apna imaan bachane ki niyat se keh rehna hi dushwar hogaya, to kahainge keh usne hijrat ki... To jo log Europe waghera Kuffar ke mulkon main jaate hain woh bhi apna Islami mulk chorh kar woh to hijrat nahi hai phir woh imamat kese kar lete hain wahan? Yaqinan woh Tableegh ke liye jaate hain, lekin hijrat karne ke liye thorhi jaate hain...


bhai mera khyaal hai hadees ko samajhna aap kay bus ki baat nahi hai. tubhi to hadees par aiteraaz ker rahe hain. hadees aisey hai keh sab se pehley quran ziada parhney waley ka haq hai barabri ki soorat me 2nd number par ilam bil sunnah [yani sunnat ka ilam ziadah rakhne waley] ka haq hai, 3rd number par pehley hijrat laney wale ka haq hai. aur 4th number par pehley islamlane wale ka haq hai[ya phir bari omer waley ka] sahi muslim kitab ul masaajid baab mun ahaqa bil imamatun] to janab is ko bar bar parheen yhaa tuk keh yaad ho jaye. jawab mil jaye ga. INSHALLAH agar kisi nai hijrat nahi ki to is ka matlab yeh aap kese nikal rahey hain ke imam nahi bun sakta. yeh to qazi sahib ne nahi kha kion jhoot boltey hain. aap jo misaal day rahe hain us he ko lay letey hain. un logoon me sab se pehley dekha jaye ga keh quran ki tilawat sab se ziada kon kerta hai. agar barabur hun gay to phir dekha jaye ga sunnat sab se ziada kon janta he aur agar is me bi barabur hun to phir dekha jaye ga hijrat pehey kis nay ki aur us me bhi barabur hun to phir sab se bari age wale ko diya jaye ga. ab aap keh rahe hain farz karien to janab aap he ko mubarak ho aisey farz karna aisa ho nahi sakta ke 80 kay 80 loge aik jesey hun ya 10 ke 10 aik jesey hun. Allah aur us ke rasool ko sab se behter pata tha deen kese samjhana hai aur kya ho sakta hai kya nahi. aap he ko mubarak ho aisee faqahat.


Akhri baat yeh keh janaab Asim sahib aap ki akhri post ke hawalat jo diye hain InshaAllah unko mila kar main dekhunga, kuch taqeeq ke baad jawab ya khud dunga ya dilwa dunga. Intazar farmaen!
Mumtaz.

MashAllah filhaal aap ke pass koi jawab nahi ALHAMDULILLAH wese me intezaar karun ga ke aap is ki kya taveel kartey hain.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 04:21 PM

Yaani aapko phir confirm tehqeeq karni parhgi aik aik minute ki warna tehreef hojaegi aur imamat Haram hojaegi, haina? Khair yeh to ese hi kaha maine!
Bhai, barhi umar ke logon ke baare main aksar esa hota hai keh unki tareekh-e-paidaish sabit nahi hoti. Ab jese maine aksar barhi umar ke logon ko dekha jo India se hijrat karke aae hain unko apni tareekh-e-paidaish maloom nahi hoti. Ab farz karain keh un 10 k 10 logon ki umar andazan 80 saal ki lagti hai lekin tareekh-e-paidaish kisi ki sabit nahi hai (yaqin to nahi horaha hoga lekin farz karain keh esa masala paish agaya phir) phir janab kia karainge?
Asim sahib ne to kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat par amal kia jaega yaani "phir log jisse chahain imaam bana dain" lekin yeh to tehreef hogai na bhai....!!! Ab bazahir woh aap se ruju karte hue nazar arahe hain, chalain aapki marzi, yeh bhi apki marzi keh logon se mashwara karna bhi Haram aur shaitani amal hai. bohot ache! Acha to ala tanasul wali baat se kon ruju karega? Qazi sahib inko zara samjhaen keh is par ruju karne ka bhi please.

Chalain, aapki is tamam baat ka mafhoom aur Asim sahib ki aik post ka mafhoom aik hi nikalta hai keh aap yeh maante hani keh jo cheez Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi woh tehreef yaani Bid'at hai. Aur har bid'at par amal karna Haram hai aur gumrahi hai aur esa karne wala insaan ya Jinn nahi shaitan hota hai. Janab aik baat aap ko main aur bata dun, aap ne kaha tha tehreef is bunyad par hai keh imamat ki asal 4 sharait hain aur aao 21 maante hain, iska maine jawab dia phir apko ab aap keh rahe hain keh janab jo bhi hai hai to tehreef chahe sharait ho ya kuch hon.
Yaani imamat ke liye naik bande ko tarjeeh dena shaitani amal aur tehreef hai,
imamat ke liye ziyada namaz ke masaail janne wala paish karna shaitani amal hai,
waghera waghera.
Phir aap ne kaha maine Hadees ki tauhin par tauhin ki, yaqin ki jiye aap se mujhe is ilzaam ki umeed na thi. Mujhe barha dukh hua aapki yeh baat parh kar. Baharhaal, yeh masala ab imamat ki sharait se badal kar tehreef aur Bid'at ki taraf jaa raha hai, is par to bohot se topic khule hue hain janab aap ne nae sirre se yeh baat karni chahi imamat ka mozu ta'aruf karwa kar woh bhi direct nahi, pehle khoob aitarazat kiye phir jawab milne par baad main asal baat kahi keh bid'at hai. Bid'at o Tehreef ke mamle main chand aik yeh topics hain,
Phir yeh wala to ghaliban aap hi ke aik Ghair Muqallid bhai ne khola hua hai jo ab ghayab hogae hain, shayad woh sabit nahi kar paa rahe hain to agar aap unki madad kar sakte hain is par to zaroor karain keh "jo Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi uspar amal Haram aur shaitani amal hai":
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baar baar kab kaha hai? aik hi post par to baat ki hai hijrat ki shart ke mamle par...! Aap bhi na mazak karte rehte hain. lol
Anyways, Bhai to aap ne bataya nahi keh hijrat imamat ke liye shart hai to isko khulle aam aap ki taraf se awazain kiun nahi aatin keh hijrat jisne nahi ki uski imamat Haram aur sarasar tehreef hai aur shaitani amal hai? Agar main ghalat nahi to Hijrat to tabhi ki jaati hai jab kisi ilaaqe rehna hi dushwar hojae aur imaan bachane ke liye hijrat karni parh jaae apna maal waghera chorh kar. Phir aap ki masaajid ke imamon ne esi koi hijrat ki? Warna to musafat kehte ya shift hojana kehte haina? Ab jese koi kuffar ke ilaaqe se behzaar hokar Musalmanon ki saltanat main aae apna imaan bachane ki niyat se keh rehna hi dushwar hogaya, to kahainge keh usne hijrat ki... To jo log Europe waghera Kuffar ke mulkon main jaate hain woh bhi apna Islami mulk chorh kar woh to hijrat nahi hai phir woh imamat kese kar lete hain wahan? Yaqinan woh Tableegh ke liye jaate hain, lekin hijrat karne ke liye thorhi jaate hain...



Jee aap ne sahih kaha keh ab imamat se hatt kar tehreef-o-bid'at tak chala gaya mamla, to behtar hai unhi topics par baat karain jis par pehle ho chuka ho ya horaha ho taake baat dobara ibtida se shuru karain na parhe, warna waqt zaya hoga. Mazrat aik aur baat karna parh rahi hai, keh mere imtahaan bhi shuru hone wale hain, lehaza computer par waqt dena mushkil hojaega. Lekin Alhamdulillah, mere ilm ke mutabik maine poori wazahat kardi hai un aitarazat ki jo Durr-e-Mukhtar par kiye gae the. Ab baat chali Tehreef-o-Bid'at par to is mozu ka sahih tareeqa bhi apko bata dia. Wese yeh mozu par baat ho chuki hui hai dusre topics par. InshaAllah fikar na karain, is topic ko jaari rakhne ke liye aik aur bhai se maine guzarish ki hai woh jawab de dena shuru kardenge aapko. InshaAllah meri kami mehsoos nahi hogi.
Akhri baat yeh keh janaab Asim sahib aap ki akhri post ke hawalat jo diye hain InshaAllah unko mila kar main dekhunga, kuch taqeeq ke baad jawab ya khud dunga ya dilwa dunga. Intazar farmaen!
Mumtaz.


Assalam alykum, brothers

Asim saheb good job. Mera adhey se jyada kaam asim bhai ne kar diya hai, ab mujeh mumtaz bhai aap se kehna hai ki agar jo mushkilat aap ne batai ki ab aap continue nahi kar payenge aapki jagah aapke koi dost is munazarey ko aage le jayege to kya agar aisi mushkil kisi dusrey ke saath pesh aati to aap kisi jabardast alfaz ka istemaal nahi kartey jo aap ne pehle kar chukey hai Khair ham is baat key kayal nahi hamara kaam sirf baat ka pahochana ''BALLIGO ANNI WAL AYA" hai, aap allaha aaur uskey rasool ka kaha maney ya na maney unki shaan me ratti barabar kami aaney ki nahi.

Ham aapkey liye exam me kamyabi ki dua kartey hai allaha aap ko kamyab karey us exam me bhi aaur sab se bade aakhri exam me bhi, aaur aap Allaha key rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ki risalat ki oonchai ko pehchan le aaur kabhi us shkas ka difa na karey jo aap sallallaho allehe wasalam ke baat me tahreef karey aap ko pata hoga ki hazrat umar bin khattab radiallaha ki sunnat hai ki aisey shaks ki height ko uper ki taraf se 10" (inch) choti kar diya jaye.

Tarikh me aik kissa bada mashoor hai ki aik yahodi aaur aik musalmaan me kisi baat par jhagda ho gaya to woh dono aap sallallaho allehe wasalam key pass aaye to aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ne yahodi key haq me faisala kar diya. ye baat us muslim (munafiq) ko thik nahi lagi usney kaha aik baar hazrat umar se bhi faisla kara liya jaye jab wey log umar radiallaha key pass aye aaur bataya ki aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ne faisla kar diya hai aap ne faoran us munafiq muslim ka sar kalam kar diya aaur farmaya jab aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ney koi baat farma di to phir mujse dobara poochi hi kyo gai.

Aap ney aik baar kaha tha ki aquidey ki buniyad par main aap ka bhai nahi hu. mainey kaha tha aap ka aquida masley me imam abu hanifa ramaullah key muquallid hai aaur Aquidey me Imam Abu Hasan Ashari aaur Imam Abu Mansoor Matoridi key aap ney jawab nahi diya aisa kyo ?

Aaap janey se pehle un sawalo ka jawab de saktey they kyoki woh to bas haa ya nahi me hi diye ja saktey hai. Main aik baar phir se likh raha ho baad walo ko asani hogi.

1. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne zabaan se namaz ki niyat ki ?

2. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne Gardan ka Masah kiya ?

3. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki mard naaf key neechey haath bandhey aaur aaurat siney par ?

4. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki aakhri tashhadud me mard apney ultey pair par aaur aurat bator tawarukh apney kulhe par baithey?

5. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki 1 dirham se kam Nizasatey Galize agar kapdo me ya badan par lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi?

Edited by Qazi, 25 March 2009 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:34 PM

bhai jaan shamsheer e ala hazrat aap nay hadees jo apney article mai paish ki hai pehli baat to yeh hai kay aap nay us ka hawala nahi diya poora. kion kay aap ko pata tha kay koi agar parh lay ga to haqeeqat samnay aa jaye gee. aap nay meeta meeta kha liya hai aur korra korra(bitter) thuk diya hai khair aap refrence poora dien ya na dien. Hum aap ko jawab detey hain.

2nd yeh kay mai nay kaha tha kay is hadees ki sanad parho aap nay nahi parhi aur na hee batai. khair aap nay behqi say hadees quote kar dee lekin imam behqi ka jo hukam hai is hadees par wo kha gaye????

imam behqi hee farmatey hain kay
1.is mai mughira qavi nahi.
2. Abu zubair mudallis hai aur a`n say riyawat kehta hai.

jis riwayat mai aik nahi do do illatien hoon us ko aap MUSLIM ki hadees kay samnay paish kar rahey hain??. arre hamari nahi mannani to raza khan ki hee maan lo jis nay kaha tha. SIHAH ki hadees kay muqabley mai doosri hadees paish kartey ho SHARAM SHARAM SHARAM.......

HUM BHI YEH KEHTEY HAIN Muslim ki hadees kay samnay behqi ki hadees paish kartey ho......... sharm sharam sharam.............

aur shayed aap ko pata ho kay na ho kay muhaddiseen kay nazdeek a`n say riwayat zaeef hoti hai. aur pata nahi aap ko asool e hadees ka pata hai bhi kay nahi pata nahi samajh aa bhi rahi hai ya kay nahi. agar nahi aa rahi to ahl e sunnat(salafi) madrassay mai dakhla karwa lien.

aap nay aakhir kaar gustaakhi kar hee dee kay muslim wali hadees mai hukam wazeh nahi hai. aur khraab karney ki koshish ki. aur nauzubillah maan liya kay nabi ka hukam wazeh nahi hai. janab mai ALLAH ki qasam kha kar kehta hun kay nabi ka hukam bilkul wazeh hai aur jo us mai keerey nikalta hai wo sab say bara bud bakht hai. aap kay khyaal mai sihaba ko jis cheeze say nabi rokien kya wo us cheezien karien gay. kar dien aik aur gustakhi kay janab sihaba bhi yeh sochtey hun gay kay nabi ka hukam wazeh nahi hai us mai aisa hai waisa hai. janab mai nai to pehley hee asool e karkhi say hawala paish kiya tha. aap loge asal mai hadees nahi mantey sirf imam ki baat saabit karney kay liye zaeef aur mozu hadees ki taraf bhagtey ho. arre ALLAH kay nabi ki baat hai koi mazak nahi hai. imam abdullah bin mubarak nay farmaya tha agar hadees ki sanad na hoti to har koi jo jee mai aata keh daita(muqaddama sahi muslim) aap baat nahi manien gay kabhi bhi hamari aap sirf waqt zaaia kar rahey hain.

aap nay kaha quran say jo hadees(yani muslim wali hadees) takrati hai us ko manien gay ya wo jo nahi takrati janab aap nay jo ayat article mai likhi hai. us mai khaan hai kay shraab ka sirka halal hai?? kion dhoka detey ho?? pehley hee bohet dhoka deney ki koshish kar rahey ho ab bus karo. ALLAH aur us kay RASOOL ko pata hai kay konsi cheeze pak hai konsi cheeze napak. aap jitni marzi koshish kar lien us ko pak bananey ki hum to sihaba ki tarhaan aamanna saddakna kehtey hain. Allah kay nabi Sallahu alihewasallam nay LA keh diya hamarey liye kafi hai. mubarak ho aap ko ahmad raza khan ki shamsheer jo sahih ahadees ko chor kar zaeef ahadees ki taraf ruju karti hai aur sahi ahadees ko mansookh qarar deti hai.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 10:46 AM

Asim bhai assalam alykum, ab yaha par post karney ka koi faida raha nahi, munazarey ka result aa chuka hai,aap ne dekha hi hai,

Main to kaha tha ki sirf 5-6 sawalo me se aik ka bhi jawab agar ba sanad sahih de diya to main hanfi ho jaonga aaur, aap ko apna ameer tasleem kar loonga, magar woh jawab nahi de sakey aaur na qyamat ki subah tak koi jawab de sakega, allaha inhe hidayat naseem karey. huzzat tamam hui, hamney baat pahonch di, ab ye maney na maney inki marzi, kyoki inhe maloom hoga tauba adam ke sunnat hai aaur zeed shaitan ki ye apne aap ko kaha rakhtey hai inki marzi.

agar aap ka orkut par accout hoga to mujse rabta qayam karey, qazi adnan, raipur india search karey aaur mujeh add kar ley phir inshallaha khaylat ka tabadala hoga.

wassalam
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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:25 PM

Vinegar is a well known basic foodstuff, made from wine of which the composition has changed so that it is no longer sweet but is acidic or sour.

Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What a good food is vinegar.” (Reported by Muslim, 3/1623)

When wine turns to vinegar by itself, without any deliberate treatment needed for it to be changed, it is permissible to eat, drink and handle it, according to the consensus of the scholars, because of the hadeeth quoted above.

But if the wine has become vinegar because of deliberate treatment, by adding vinegar, onions, salt etc., or by any other process, in this case the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) differ as to whether it is permissible.

The Shafi’is, Hanbalis and some of the Maalikis say that it is not permissible to deliberately change wine to vinegar because then it is not pure. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked whether wine could be changed to be used as vinegar. He said, ‘No.’” (Reported by Muslim).

Abu Talhah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about some orphans who had inherited some wine. He said, “Pour it away.” He was asked, “Could they not make it into vinegar?” He said, “No.” (Reported by Muslim).

The reason for this is:

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, has commanded us to avoid wine. Keeping it and treating it until it turns into vinegar means handling it and being involved with it by storing it and benefitting from it, and this is not permitted.

It is permitted for a Muslim to buy vinegar from someone who is selling it, unless he realizes or comes to know that it was produced by means of a deliberate process. ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “… There is nothing wrong with a man buying vinegar from the people of the Book, if they sell it, so long as he knows that they did not deliberately process it from wine.” (Al-Mughni, 8/330)

And Allaah knows best.

(Bidaayat al-Mujtahid li Ibn Rushd, 1/461; Kashshaaf al-Qinaa’ li’l-Bahwati, 1/187; Fath al-Qadeer li Ibn al-Hammaam, 8/166; al-Majmoo’ li’l-Nawawi, 1/225; al-Mughni li Ibn Qudaamah, 8/319).





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#39 Saeedi

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Posted 09 April 2009 - 09:48 PM

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 04:41 PM

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Janab Saeedi sahib,

Jawab #. 1
Aap mantye hain ke
i) Hazoor e Akram (saw) ne Kaheen per bhi Niyat ke zuban se ada karnye ka hukum nahin diya
ii) Apnye amal se hum ko daras diya ke hum bhi niyat dil main karain

Ab aap teesri cheez "Mubah, Muaf" etc ko le ker aaye hain, well sirf itna araz hai ke Hadit ke mutabiq, Namaz us tarha ada karo jesa ke mujhye ada kartye dekhtye hon", to yahi sawal main alrady aap se kar chuka hon........?
Ab aap ki marzi sirf apni baat ko sabit karnye ke liye Mubah ka sahara len.
Jawab to bahar hal yahi hai ke Ahadeeth main Zuban se Niyaat karnye ka hukum nahin hain.

Jawab #. 2
Gardan ka masah, to aap yahan bhi mantye hain ke
i) Hazoor e Akram (saw) ne gardan Masah ka alag se koi hukm nahin diya.
ii) Hazooe e Akram (saw) ne apnye amal se Sar ke masah ke saath gardan ka masah haath ki hathelion se kia.

Janab saeedi sahib main apni pichli post main bata chuka hon ke Pagri ka masah kuis hadith se istadlal karkey kartye hain, lakin sar ke masah ke har giz khilaf nahin(aik or baat ke hum per to ilzam hai ke hum sar per topi, pagri, kisi qisim ka kapra jan boojh kar nahin rakhtye hain, phir pagri ke masah ka zikr yahan kesye?)
Hawala (Bukhari, Al Wazo, Bab Almasah fil Khafeen 205), (Muslim AL-Taharah, Bab AlMasah Alan Nasiba wal Imama)

Ab aatye hain aap ke Sar ke masah ke liye ki janye wali harat, Aap mantye hain ke Hazoor-e-Akram (saw) ne Sar ka masah kia or us main hathon ko gardan ki pusht tak le gaye,
ti janab is se ya kahan sabit hota hai ke Hazoor-e-Akram ne Gardan ke Masah ki alag se harkat ka hukm diya......? ab aap khud apny maslak ke logon ka amal dekh lain Masah ke silsiye main ke "Sar ke masah ke baad (jo ke kabhi kabhi 2 or zayed martab hota hai) alag se pani ko hathon per gira kar, hath ki pusht gardan ka peechye or atraf main phertye hain, Jab ke Sar ke masah main jo gardan ki pusht ka zirk hai us main Hath ki hatheeliyan gardan ki pusht tak jati hain or phir wapis aati hain.... to alag se amal jis ko aap ne Deen(Wazoo) ka hissa bana liya is ko bidaat nahin kahengye to phir kia kahyengye?????
ab ya to phir aap is amal ka wazahat karain.

Jawab #. 7
Phir aap ne wahi baat ki, or apnye Aalimon ki tarha usi baat per arye hoye hain ke humarye Hanafi ualama ka kehna sirf hum manyegye...... aik taraf to kehtye hain ke Tamam Maslak Haq per hain lakin jab doosrye maslak ke log kisi hadith ke barye main kehtye hain ke Ahnaf ka istadlal ghalat hai to us waqt aap ke nazdeek woh ghalat ho jata hai........ kisi iak baat per ruk jayen......

fi-aman:
(salam)
Abdul Salam





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