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Posted 12 April 2009 - 08:47 PM

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REGARDING NEYAH

janab hadees HAI KAY amal ka daromadaar niyatoon par hai. (Muslim,Al imarah,baab Qol a hu Sallahu alihewasallam Innamul amalu bil niyah 1908)

janab ALLAH kay nabi nay jesey kiya wesey hee hum karien gay. kisi bhi aik hadees mai yeh nahi aaya kay niyat zubaan say karni chahiye.

agar aisee baat hai to aap Wudu kartey huye kion nahi kehtey kay mei wudu karney laga hun is time bathroom mai hun aagwey merey sink hai wastey sawab kay BISMILLAH.

bohet say aisey kam hain jinheen kartey huye hum sirf dil mai niyat kartey hain zuban say nahi.

kya wajha hai kay sirf namaz parhtey huye zuban say niyat karna afzal hai?

namaz ki niyat to us waqt hee ho jati hai jub azan sun kar insaan masjid ki taraf jata hai.

ALLAH kay nabi hamesha namaz Takbeer e tehreema say shuroo karte rahey. na kay zuban say niyat kar kay.

yeh lughat kay bhi khilaaf hai. is ka mani IRADAH kay hotey hain. aur iradah dil say kiya jata hai zuban say nahi.

Hazrat Nafie say siwayat hai keh aik aadmi nay Abdullah bin Omer raziallahanho kay pass cheenk maari aur kaha ALHUM DULILLAH WAS SALAMU ALA RASOOLALLAH

IBN E OMER raziallahanho nay farmaya. Alhumdulillah Wasalamu ala RASOOL ALLAH magar Rasool ALLAH Sallahualihewasallam nay humien yeh tareeqa nahi sikhaya. aap nay to humien yeh sikhaya hai keh har haal mai Alhumdulillah kaheen
(tirmizi kitab ul adab baab ma yaqool al aats iza ats 2738)

aur yahaan hum kehtey hain keh NAMAZ shuru kartey waqt ALLAH kay nabi nay humien ALLAH U AKBAR kehna sikhaya hai na keh zuban say niyat karna.

agar aap kehtey ho nahi nahi. is ko karna afzak hai to janab hum kaheen gay Naudhubillah Allah kay nabi deen adhura chor gaye the. jo is ki zroorat par gai.

Edited by Ya Mohammadah, 12 April 2009 - 09:57 PM.
Poori post quote karny ki hajat nahin.


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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:59 PM

regarding masah

bhai jaan gardan sar ka hissa khan say aa gai?? saeedi sahib ki yeh nai mantaq hai.

Quran mai sar ka zikar hai gardan ka nahi.

hadees hai

aap Sallahu alihewasallam nay sar ka masah kiya. dono hath sar kay aglay hissa say shuroo kar kay. guddi tuk peechey lay gaye. phir peechey say aagey tuk waheen lay aaye jhaan say shuroo kiya tha.
(bukhari, al wudhu, baab mashul raas kullihe 185)

bhai jaan zara aqal say kaam lien. Allah kay nabi nay jesa kiya hai wesa karien. aap loge pehley sar ka masah kartey ho phir kanoo ka kartey ho phir end par alehdah say gardan ka masah kartey ho.

aap Bagree ki taraf na bhagien Pagree ki baat aaye gee to wahaan bhi baat ho jaye gee.
aur aap nay jo daleel see hai us mai bhi aap ka maslak sabit nahi hota hai.

woh to wohi hai jo hum kartey hain. sar ka masah peechey tuk lay jatey they.

jub keh aap ka masla yeh hai hee nahi. aap loge ultey hath kar kay masah kartey ho. nabi nay kabhi aisey nahi kiya hai.

3. SEENEY PAR HATH

saeedi sahib nay pehla aiteraaz yeh kiya hai keh kya rasool Sallahu alihewasallam nay mard o orat ko seeney par hath bandhney ka hukam kaheen diya??

to janab jawaban arza hai keh ALLAH kay nabi nay farmaya hai
Malik bin huweras Raziallahanho nay byan kiya,, kaha hum nabi Sallahu alihewasallam ki khidmat mai hazir huye, hum sab hum omer aur no jawan hee the, aap ki khidmat mubarik mai hamara 20 din o raat tuk qayam kiya, aap barrey he rahem dil aur milan saar the, jub aap nay dekha keh humien watan wapis janey ka shoq hai, to aap nay poocha tum loge apney ghar kisey chor kar aaye ho, hum nay bataya. phir aap nay farmaya acha ab tum ghar jao aur in ghar waloon kay sath raho, aur inheen bhi deen sikhao, aur deen ki batoon par amal karney ka hukam karo, ..........
aur aap sallahu alihewasallam nay farmaya is hee tarhaan namaz parhna jis tarhaan mujhai parhtey huye dekha hai.
(bukhari kitab ul azaan, hadees 631)

janab yahaan gorr say parheen ALLAH kay nabi aam hukam day rahey hain. yeh nahi kaha mardoon kay liye namaz alehdah hai aur ortoon kay liye alehda,

yeh aap loge hee hain jo hadees mai keerey nikaltey ho. agar nahi mantey to kaho kay nabi Naudhubillah ortoon ka hukam batana bhool gaye the.

zer e naaf laney wali jo aap nay kaha hai Hazrat Ali raziallahanho,Abu huzaifa,Abu huraira,Hazrat anas aur wail bin hujar raziallahanhum janab paish karien gay to hum aap ko jawab die gay INSHALLAH. phir us ki hasiyat bhi aap ko bataien gay.

aap nay yahaa aik ajeeb baat ki hai Hazrat wali bin hujar raziallah anho ko apni biwi ko seeney par hath rakhney ka hukam daina. aur sath maan bhi liya hai kay zaeef hai. JANAB zaeef hujjat nahi hua karti.

aur aik jhoot bol diya hai aap nay MUsannif ibn e abi shaiba par kay alqima ko hukam hua tha wail bin hujar raziallahanho say.

yeh riwayat ibn e abi shaiba mai mojood hee nahi hai. isay sab say pehley Qasim bin Qatlo bagha (KAZZAAB) NAY MUSANNIF SAY MANsOOB KIYA HAI(jis ka shahid aap nay bhi diya hai). NAIMOVI HANFI nay qalabaaziaan khatey huye bhi is qatlu bagha wali riwayat ko GHAIR MAHFOOZ yani Zaeef qaraar diya hai(hashia asaar ul sunan H 330) GHALIBAN AAP NAY BHI YEH HEE REFRENCE diya hai.

is kay baraqas Wail bin hujar raziallahanho say hee sahih sanad say marvi hai mai nay Rasool Sallahu alihewasallam ko namaz parhtey huye dekha. phir aap nay daiaan hath baien hathili, kalaai aur (sa`ad) bazu par rakha.
(sahih ibn e khuzaima 1/243 h 714, 480)
aur jub aap apna daiaan hath hatheli kalaai aur bazu par rahien gay to khud ba khud hee hath naaf say ooper aaien gay.

aur dosree hadees(halab taai raziallahanho) wali mai seenay ka zikar bhi hai.

to janab aap ko mey pehley hee asool e karkhi say refrence day chuka hun keh aap loge sahih hadees chorr kar Zaeef o modhu hadees letey ho.

maqsad yeh hee hai keh imam ka qol sabit ho jaye.


Halab tai raziallah anho say riwayat hai

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 10:23 PM

regarding tawaruk

sawal kuch hai jawab kuch day rahey ho.

Guzarish hai kay poora hawal diya karien sirf bukhari, wagera keh daina kafi nahi hai.

ibn e omer raziallahanho wali hadees say ooper wali hadees dekh laini thi jis mai Umme darda raziallah anho ka zikar hai.

BAab hai tashahud mai bethney ka masnoon tareeqa

Hazarat Umme darda Raziallahanho FAQEEH thien aur woh bawaqat namaz tashahud. mardoon ki tarhaan bethiti thien.
(bukhari kitab ul azaan)

is hee baab mai abdullah bin omer raziallahanho say agli wali riwayat mai abu hameed sadi raziallah anho ki hadees hai zara woh bhi parh letey to kitna hee acha hota.

us mai hai jub aap 2nd rakat mai bethtey to left foot par bethtey aur daiaan paoon khara rakhtey. aur jub aakhri rakat mai bethtey to left foot ko thora aagey kar letey aur daiaan paoon khara kar letey. phir miqad par bethtey
(kitab ul azaan)

janab Huzoor ki biwi hamari maa ummul momineen faqeeh thien. aur woh mardoon ki tarhaan bethti thien kya khaal hai aap ka. nabi nai mana kion na kiya??

aur aap nay khud kamzore riwayat paish ki hai aur kaha hai kamzore riwayat kay sath aik aur kamzore riwayat milaaien.

janab

zaeef+zaeef+zaeef+zaeef=zaeef hee hoti hai.

is kay baraqas ummul momineen Raziallahanho wali riwayat sahih bukhari ki hai aur woh faqeeh bhi thien.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 11:08 PM

Masala 5

aap sey dobarah guzarish hai keh poora refrence diya karien takeh asani ho.

aap nay yahaan hum par aik jhoot bol diya hai. keh hamarey yahaan aik masla likha hai. janab hum par QURAN, HADEES AUR IJMA SIHABA hujjat hai. kisi ki kitab nahi

wesey aap nay us kitab ka poora hawala nahi diya hai aur yeh bhi nahi bataya hai key kis ki tasneef hai.

janab zara abu dawood ki hadees parh laini thi.

aik ansari sihabi raat ko namaz parh rahey the. kisi dushman nay in par teer chalaye jin ki wajha say woh sakht zakhmi ho gaye. aur in kay jisam say khoon behney laga magar is ka bawajood woh namaz parhtey rahey
(abu dawood, kitab ul taharah baab al wudhu mil al dum 198) isay hakim nay bukhari aur muslim ki shart par sahih kaha hai 1/156 aur zahbi nay bhi is ko sahih kaha hai.

is hee tarhaan

Omer raziallahanho zakhmi kiye gaye aur aap is hee halat mai namaz parhtey rahey. halankeh aap kay jism say khoon jari tha.
(motta imam malik, al taharah baab al amal fee mun ghalbahul dum min jarah au ra`af 1/39)

is say maloom hua khoon ka behna nawaqis e wudhu nahi hai.

aur jo sahih hadees hai nijasat ko saaf karney wali us mai yeh hai keh

ALLAH kay nabi nay 3 patharoon say kum istanja karney say mana farmaya hai.

yani kum say kum 3 pathar honay chahiyeen.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 11:16 PM

6th masla

mujhai yeh pata nahi hai keh sawal kya hai. lekin jawab dekhney say pata lagta hai keh shayed sawal yeh tha kay taqleed 4 imamoon kay ilawah kisi aur ki kion nahi ho sakti.

agar yeh hee sawal hai to janab aap nay yahaan aik aur jhoot bola hai keh ahl e sunnat ka ijma hai kay taqleed 4 imam hee aisey hain jis kay masail aisey hain.

jami ul lughat urdu mai hai
taqleed:pairwi karna,qadam ba qadam chalna bagair tehqeeq kay kisi ki pairwi karna.(page 166 matbua dar ul asa`a`t karachi)

hanafioon ki kitab muslim al saboot mai likha hai
(ghair kay qol par bagair hujjat kay amal (ka naam) hai. jaisey aami(jahil) apney jesey aami ya mujtahid doosrey mujtahid ka qol lay lay. pus nabi alehslam aur ijma ki taraf ruju karna is(taqleed) mai say nahi. aur is hee tarhaan aami ka mufti ki taraf ruju karna aur qazi ka gawahoon ki taraf ruju karna(taqleed) mai say nahi hai kion kay isay nus nay wajib kiya hai lekin urf yeh hai aami mujtaahid ka muqallid hai..(muslim al saboot page 289 taba 1316h)

khateeb baghdadi kehtey hain kay bagair daleel kay qol ko qabool karney ko taqleed kehtey hain(al faqeeh wal muttafiqah jild 2 page 66)

abul hasan karkhi hanafi kehta hai(asal yeh hai kay har ayat jo hamarey sathioon kay khilaaf hai usay mansookhiyat par mahmool ya marjooh samjha jaye ga. behter yeh hee hai keh tatbeeq kartey huye is ki taveel kar li jaye)asool e karkhi

is ayat say bohet say ullema nay taqleed kay batil honay ka istadlaal kiya hai jesey
abu hamid muhammad bin muhammad al ghazali (al mustasfa mun ilmulasool 2/389)

Allah farmata hai (unhoon nay apney ahbaar aur rahbaan ko Allah kay siwa rabb bana liya(toba:31)

is ayat par bhi bohet ullema nay taqleed kay radd par istedlaal kiya hai
ibn e abdul barr(jame byan ul ilam wa fazla jild 2 page 109)

syuti (al radd ala mun akhlada ilal ardh)

aur jub in say kaha jata hai kay Allah tala nay jo ahkam nazil farmaye hain in ki taraf aur rasool ki taraf ruju karo to woh kehtey hain hum ko woh hee kafi hai jis par hum nay apnay baap dadaoon ko paya(maaida 104)

qasam hai terey parwardigaar ki yeh loge kabhi momin nahi ho saktey jub tuk tamam aapas kay ikhtilaaf mai aap ko haakim na maan lien...(nisa:65)

mai nai aaj kay din tumharey liye deen ko mukammal kar diya hai aur apni nemat ko tum par poora kar diya hai. aur tumharey liye deen e islam par razi ho gya hun (maida:3)

jana deen mukammal ho chuka hai bataiye agar nahi hua tha to taqleed khaan thi??? sihaba nabi ki pairwi kartey the. imam abu hanifa ki nahi bataien woh konsi aise baat thi jo nabi bata kar nahi gaye aur imam abu hanifa rahimullah nay poori ki???

Hazrat salman farsi raziallahanho say chand mushrikoon nay kaha
kya tumharey nabi nay tumheen sab kuch sikha diya hai hatta kay taharut bhi to unhoon nay farmaya jee haan(sahih muslim jild1)

janab aik hadees la dien jis mai nabi nay kaha ho kay in 4 mai sai 1 imam ki taqleed wajib hai.

huzoor sallahu alihe wasallam nay Quran ki ayat inna lazeena farraqu dinu hum wa kanu shee an
tilawat ki aur farmaya
jinhooon nay deen mai tafarraqa dala yeh eez groh the yeh woh groh hain jo khwahish parast bidati aur gumrahi walay hain. ae aisha (raziallahanha) har gunah ki toba hai magar khwahish parastoon aur ahl e bidat ki toba qabool nahi mai in say baree hun aur yeh mujh say baree hain.(al aiesaam jild 1 page 60)

shah wali ullah muhaddis likhtey hain
ummat kay pehley loge 4th sadi say pehley kisi aik mazhab kay paband nahi the(hujjat ullah balagha jild 1 page 445)

yani yeh biddat hai 400 saal baad shuro hui.

hazrat abdullah bin masood raziallahanho nay farmaya tum mai say koi aadmi apnay deen kay barey mei kisi aadmi ki taqleed na karey keh jub wo kisi baat par eemaan lata hai to woh bhi lata hai jub kisi baat say inkaar karta hai to woh bhi karta hai(aelaam ul moqaen jild 2)

Abdullah bin abbas raziallah anho farmatey hain qareeb hai tum logoon par aasmaan say pathar barseen mai tum say kehta huun Rasool Allah sallahu alihe wasallam nay farmaya tum mujhai kehtey ho abu bakar raziallahanho aur omar raziallah anho nay yeh farmaya(zad ul maad jild 2 page 195)

janab imam abu hanifa abu bakar raziallahanho say barrey hain kya jin ki taqleed lazmi hai??

hazrat abdullah bin omar raziallahanho farmatey hain tu mujhai bata agar is kam say merey waalid(omar raziallahanho) nay mana kiya ho aur Allah kay rasool Sallahu alihe wasallam nay is ko kiya ho bata kis ki itteba karni chahiye??.merey walid ki ya rasool Allah sallahu alihewasallam ki??to us nay kaha beshak rasool Allah sallahu alihewasallam ki itteba ki jaye gee. farmaya to phir sun lay rasool Allah sallahu alihewasallam nay is kaam ko kiya hai.(tirmizi baab maja fe al tumta)
janab kya kaheen gay abu hanifa rahimullah sihabi e rasool say barrey hain??



Imaam Maalik (May Allah have Mercy on him) said: “There is no one after the Prophet except that you can take his saying or leave it.” [Related by Ibn Abdul-Haadee in Irshaaus-Saalik (227/1)]

Imaam Abu Haneefah (d.150H) - rahimahullah - said: “If a Hadeeth is found to be authentic, then that is my madhab.” Related by Ibn Aabideen in al-Haashiyah (1/63)and also in Rasmul-Muftee (1/4)

Imaam Maalik (d.179H) - rahimahullah - said: “Indeed I am only a man. I am sometimes mistaken and at other times correct; so look into my opinion. All that agrees with the Book and the Sunnah, accept it, and all that does not agree with the Book and the Sunnah, then abandon it.” Related by Ibn Abdul-Barr in al-Jaami (2/32) and Ibn Hazm in Usoolul-Ahkaam (6/149)

Imaam ash-Shafiee - rahimahullah - (d.204H) said: “Everything that I say, for which there is something authentically related from the Prophet contrary to my saying, the Hadeeth of the Prophet comes first. So do not make Taqleed (blind-following) of me.” Related by Ibn Abee Haatim in al-Aadaab (p.93) and Ibn Asaakir in Tareekh Dimashq (15/9/2)

Imaam Ahmed - rahimahullah - (d,241H) said: “Do not make Taqleed (blind-following) of me, nor make Taqleed of Maalik, nor of ash-Shafiee, nor of al-Awzaa’ee, nor of ath-Thawree. But take from where they took.” Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in I’laamul-Muwqi’een (2/302)

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 11:22 PM

7 masla rafa yadain

yahaan aap nay aik riwayat muslim kay hawalay say quote ki hai

aur yahaan taqleed ki wajha say meaning galat kar diya hai. pehley mai yeh sabit karoon ga keh rafayadain mansookh nahi hua. phir aap kay meaning par bhi aaien gay. Aur imam bukhari say radd karien gay INSHALLAH.

Abdullah bin Omer raziallah anho farmatey hain mai nay nabi e rehmat sallaho alihewasallam ko namaz parhtey huye dekha. Aap nay namaz ki pehli takbeer kahi aur apnay dono hath kandhoon tuk uthaye. ruku ki takbeer kay waqt bhi aisa hee kiya. aur jub [sami allah huliman hamidah] kaha to bhi aisa hee kiaya(yani rafa yadain kia) aur phir farmaya (rabbana wa lakal hamd) aur sajda mai jatey aur sajda say sarr uthatey waqat aisa na kartey.
Bukhari kitab ul azan baab ilaa een yarfa yadiehe 783

malik bin huweris wo sihabi hain jin ko nabi nay farmaya tha (Mafhoom) namaz us hee tarhaan parho jis tarhaan mujhai parhtey huye dekh liya hai.

phir maalik bin huweris apney ilaqey mai jaa kar iss hee taraan namaz sikhatey hain jesey nabi ko dekha tha

tabiee ABU QILABA rahimullah nay maalik bin huweris ko namaz parhtey huye dekha
Maalik bin huveris razi allah anho farmatey hain
be shak jub nabi sallahu alihe wasallam takbeer kehtey to hathoon ko kanoo tuk buland farmatey jub ruku kartey to hathoon ko kanoo tuk buland kartey aur jub ruku say sarr uthatey phir bhi aisa hee kartey
Muslim kitab ul salaat baad istehbaab rafa yadain hazul munkabeen 391

tabi wo hota hai jis nay nabi ko na dekha ho eman ki halat mai to zahir hai abu qilaba nay maalik bin huweris raziallah anho ko nabi kay inteqaal kay baad hee dekha tha.
yani rafa yadain mansookh nahi hua.

rafa yadain shuroo mai ruku kay baad aur ruku ksay uth kar mutwaatir ahadees say saabit hai

Hazrat Abdullah bin zubair raziallah anho farmatey hain mai nai abu bakar raziallah anho kay peechey namaz parhi
wo namaz kay shurro mai ruku say pehley aur ruku kay baad uth kar apney dono hath (kandhoon tuk) uthatey the. aur farmatey the rasool Allah bhi namaz kay shuroo mai ruku say pehley aur baad mai rafayadain kartey the.
Behqee 2/73 wa qaal rawaatun siqaat, qillat wa sanadan sahih

Hazrat Omaer raziallahanho nay aik baar namaz ka tareeqa bataney ka logoo ko irada kiya to qibla rukh ho kar kharrey ho gaye aur dono hathoon ko kandhoon tuk uthaya phir Allahu akbar kaha aur ruku kiya issi taraan hathoon ko buland kiya aur ruku kay baad bhi rafa yadain kiya.
Behqi, fil ikhlaqiaat Wa rijaal Isnaadan maroofun, (Nasab ur raaya:415,416

Ali Raziallah anho farmatey hain nabi sallahu alihe wasallam farmaey hain Rasool Allah Sallahu alihe wasallam namaz kay shuroo mai ruku mai janay say pehley aur ruku kay baad aur do rakaat parh kar khara hotey waqt rafa yadain kartey the
Abu Dawood al salaat baab ba`ad baab iftitaah ul salaat hadees 744

Hazrat Waail bin Hujar razi allah anho farmatey hain mai nai nabi sallaho alihe wasallam ko dekha
jub aap namaz shuroo kartey to ALLAHU AKBAR kehtey aur apney dono hath uthatey phir apnay hath kaprey mai dhank letey phir dayaan hath baiyeen par rakhtey jub ruku karney lagtey to apney hath kaproon sai bahir nikaltey ALLAHU AKBAR KEHTEY aur rafayadain kartey aur jub ruku say sar uthaye to (Sami ALLAH HULIMAN HAMIDAH) kehtey aur rafayadain kartey
Muslim, al salaat hadees 401

Hazrat waail bun hujar 9 aur 10 hijri ko nabi Sallahu alihe wasallam kay pass aaye lihaza saabit hua kay nabi 10 hijri tuk rafayadain kartey rahey 11 hijri ko wafaat paai saabit hua aakhri waqat tuk rafayadain nahi chora

Hazrat abu hameed saadi raziallah anho nay sihaba kiram kay aik majma mai byaan kiya keh jub rasool allah sallahu alihe wasallam jub namaz shuroo kartey aur jub ruku mai jatey aur ruku say sar uthatey aur jub 2 rakaat parh kar kharey hotey to rafa yadain kartey the. tamam sihaba nay kaha tum such kehtey ho RASOOL ALLAH SALLAHU ALIHE WASALLAM is hee tarhaan namaaz parhtey the
Abu dawood, al salaat baab iftitaah ul salaat hadees 730

imam and muhaddis IBN E KHUZAIMA is ko riwayat karney kay baad farmatey hain keh mai nai MUHAMMAD bin yahya ko kehtey suna jo shaks abu hameed raziallah anho ki hadees sunnaney kay bawajood ruku mai janay aur baad mai rafayadain nahi karta us ki namaz naaqis ho gee.
Ibn e khuzaima 1/298 hadees 588

Hazrat jaabir raziallah anho jub namaz shuroo kartey ruku mai jatey aur ruku say sar utha kar rafayadain kartey the aur farmatey Rasool Allah sallahu alihe wasallam bhi is hee tarhaan kartey the.
Ibne maja, Iqamat ul salaat baab rafa yadain iza raka`a hadees 868 ibne hajar said is kay ravi SIQAH hain.

Abu hurraira Razi allah anho farmatey hain Rasool Allah Sallahu alihe wasallam shuroo namaz mai ruku say pehley aur ruku kay baad apney dono hath (kandhoon tuk) uthaya kartey the
abu dawood as salaat baab iftitaah ul salaat hadees 738(ibn e khuzaima said its sahih)

Hazrat abu musa ashari raziallah anho nay aik din (logoon say) farmaya:
kya mai tumheen rasool allah sallahu alihe wasallam ki namaz ka tareeqa na bataoon yeh kah ker unhoon nay namaz parhi jub taqbeer e tehrima kahi to rafayadain kiya jub ruku kiya to rafa yadain kiya phir sami allah huliman hamidah keh kar rafa yadain kiya phir farmaya iss hee tarhaan kiya karo
DAR QUTNI 1/296 HAFIZ IBN E HAJAR SAID IS KAY RAVI SIQAA HAIN AL TALKHEES 1:219




<H3 class=smller>RAFA YADAIN na karney waloon key dalaail

sab say qavi daleel un ki sahi muslim ki riwayat hai
Jabir bin samra razi allah anho byan farmatey hain kay Rasool Allah Sallahu alihe wasallam nay farmaya (kya baat hai mai tumheen iss tarhaan hath uthatey huye dekhta hun jis tarhaan sarkash ghoroon ki dummieen hain namaz mai sakoon ikhtiyaar karo.
muslim,as salaat baab al amar bil sakoon fe salaat hadees 430

as we all know that ahadees of sahi muslim are sahi ALHAMDULILLAH so this hadees is also sahi.

its our belief kay aik hadees 2nd hadees ki tashreeh karti hai right so to understand this hadees right we have to see other ahadees because its not clear in this hadees kay namaz mai kis muqaam par haath uthaney say mana kiya tha.

sahi muslim mai hee yeh hee sihabi jaabir bin samara raziallah anho say riwayat hai farmatey hain Rasool Allah Sallahu alihe wasallam kay sath jub hum namaz parhtey to namaz kay khatma par daien baien ASSALAMU ALYKUM WA RAHMATULLAH kehtey huye hath say ishara bhi karte yeh dekh kar huzoor nay farmaya tum apney hath say is tarhaan ishara kartey ho jesey shareer ghoroon ki dummieen hilti hain tumheen yeh hee kafi hai kay qa`ada mai apni ranoo par hath rakhey huye daien aur baien munh morr kar ASSALAMU ALYKUM WA RAHMATULLAH kaho
muslim as salaat baab al amar bil sakoon fe salaat hadees 431

is say agli hadees yani hadees number 432 mai bhi sarahat hai kay yeh baat unhoon nay salam kay waqat hath uthaney ki waja say kahi thi

imam nawawee rahimullah farmatey hain kay iss hadees say ruku mai jatey aur uthtey waqt rafayadain na karney ki daleel laina ajeeb baat aur sunnat say jahalat ki qabeeh qisam hai. kion kay yeh hadees ruku ko jatey aur uthtey waqt rafayadain kay barey mai nahi balkeh tashahud mai salam kay waqt dono janib hathoon say isharah karney kay barey mai hai. muhaddiseen

aur jin ko muhaddiseen say thora sa bhi talluk hai in kay darmiyaan is mai koi ikhtilaaf nahi hai. is kay baad imam nawwawee imam bukhari ka qol naqal kartey hain kay is hadees say ba`az jaahil logoon ka daleel laina sahi nahi kion kay yeh salam kay waqt hath uthaney kay barey mai hai. aur jo aalim hai wo is tarhaan ki daleel nahi pakarta.
kion kay yeh maroof o mashoor baat hai is mai kisi ka ikhtilaaf nahi aur agar yeh baat sahi hoti to ibtada e namaz aur namaz eid ki rafayadain bhi mana ho jatien. kion kay is mai kisi khas rafayadain ko mana nahi kiya gya. phir imam bukhari farmatey hain un logoon ko is baat say darna chahiye kay wo nabi e rehmat Sallahu alihe wasallam par wo baat keh rahey hain jo unhoon nay nahi kahi. kion kay ALLAH FARMATA hai

Pus in logoon ko jo nabi akram (Sallahu alihewasallam) ki mukhalifat kartey hain is baat say darna chahiye kay inheen (duniya mai) koi fitna aur (aakhirat mai) koi dard naak azaab pohonchay. (Al noor:63) </H3>

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 11:09 AM

regarding masah

bhai jaan gardan sar ka hissa khan say aa gai?? saeedi sahib ki yeh nai mantaq hai.

Quran mai sar ka zikar hai gardan ka nahi.

hadees hai

aap Sallahu alihewasallam nay sar ka masah kiya. dono hath sar kay aglay hissa say shuroo kar kay. guddi tuk peechey lay gaye. phir peechey say aagey tuk waheen lay aaye jhaan say shuroo kiya tha.
(bukhari, al wudhu, baab mashul raas kullihe 185)

bhai jaan zara aqal say kaam lien. Allah kay nabi nay jesa kiya hai wesa karien. aap loge pehley sar ka masah kartey ho phir kanoo ka kartey ho phir end par alehdah say gardan ka masah kartey ho.

aap Bagree ki taraf na bhagien Pagree ki baat aaye gee to wahaan bhi baat ho jaye gee.
aur aap nay jo daleel see hai us mai bhi aap ka maslak sabit nahi hota hai.

woh to wohi hai jo hum kartey hain. sar ka masah peechey tuk lay jatey they.

jub keh aap ka masla yeh hai hee nahi. aap loge ultey hath kar kay masah kartey ho. nabi nay kabhi aisey nahi kiya hai.

3. SEENEY PAR HATH

saeedi sahib nay pehla aiteraaz yeh kiya hai keh kya rasool Sallahu alihewasallam nay mard o orat ko seeney par hath bandhney ka hukam kaheen diya??

to janab jawaban arza hai keh ALLAH kay nabi nay farmaya hai
Malik bin huweras Raziallahanho nay byan kiya,, kaha hum nabi Sallahu alihewasallam ki khidmat mai hazir huye, hum sab hum omer aur no jawan hee the, aap ki khidmat mubarik mai hamara 20 din o raat tuk qayam kiya, aap barrey he rahem dil aur milan saar the, jub aap nay dekha keh humien watan wapis janey ka shoq hai, to aap nay poocha tum loge apney ghar kisey chor kar aaye ho, hum nay bataya. phir aap nay farmaya acha ab tum ghar jao aur in ghar waloon kay sath raho, aur inheen bhi deen sikhao, aur deen ki batoon par amal karney ka hukam karo, ..........
aur aap sallahu alihewasallam nay farmaya is hee tarhaan namaz parhna jis tarhaan mujhai parhtey huye dekha hai.
(bukhari kitab ul azaan, hadees 631)

janab yahaan gorr say parheen ALLAH kay nabi aam hukam day rahey hain. yeh nahi kaha mardoon kay liye namaz alehdah hai aur ortoon kay liye alehda,

yeh aap loge hee hain jo hadees mai keerey nikaltey ho. agar nahi mantey to kaho kay nabi Naudhubillah ortoon ka hukam batana bhool gaye the.

zer e naaf laney wali jo aap nay kaha hai Hazrat Ali raziallahanho,Abu huzaifa,Abu huraira,Hazrat anas aur wail bin hujar raziallahanhum janab paish karien gay to hum aap ko jawab die gay INSHALLAH. phir us ki hasiyat bhi aap ko bataien gay.

aap nay yahaa aik ajeeb baat ki hai Hazrat wali bin hujar raziallah anho ko apni biwi ko seeney par hath rakhney ka hukam daina. aur sath maan bhi liya hai kay zaeef hai. JANAB zaeef hujjat nahi hua karti.

aur aik jhoot bol diya hai aap nay MUsannif ibn e abi shaiba par kay alqima ko hukam hua tha wail bin hujar raziallahanho say.

yeh riwayat ibn e abi shaiba mai mojood hee nahi hai. isay sab say pehley Qasim bin Qatlo bagha (KAZZAAB) NAY MUSANNIF SAY MANsOOB KIYA HAI(jis ka shahid aap nay bhi diya hai). NAIMOVI HANFI nay qalabaaziaan khatey huye bhi is qatlu bagha wali riwayat ko GHAIR MAHFOOZ yani Zaeef qaraar diya hai(hashia asaar ul sunan H 330) GHALIBAN AAP NAY BHI YEH HEE REFRENCE diya hai.

is kay baraqas Wail bin hujar raziallahanho say hee sahih sanad say marvi hai mai nay Rasool Sallahu alihewasallam ko namaz parhtey huye dekha. phir aap nay daiaan hath baien hathili, kalaai aur (sa`ad) bazu par rakha.
(sahih ibn e khuzaima 1/243 h 714, 480)
aur jub aap apna daiaan hath hatheli kalaai aur bazu par rahien gay to khud ba khud hee hath naaf say ooper aaien gay.

aur dosree hadees(halab taai raziallahanho) wali mai seenay ka zikar bhi hai.

to janab aap ko mey pehley hee asool e karkhi say refrence day chuka hun keh aap loge sahih hadees chorr kar Zaeef o modhu hadees letey ho.

maqsad yeh hee hai keh imam ka qol sabit ho jaye.


Halab tai raziallah anho say riwayat hai


Assalam alykum,
Asim bhai aap ney koi kasar nahi chodi alhamdulliha, shayad ab inki aankh khuley agar inki kismat me hidayat hai, ye log gulami pasand kartey hai aik ummati dusrey ummati ki gulami kar raha hai, jabki khud Imam abu hanifa ramaullaha ne aapne kaoul par amal karney se tab tak mana kiya jab tak ki asal hadith na mil jaye magar afsoos : Allaha farmata hai takleed key radd me sura anaam ayat 153 (6:153) :

"Kah do ki ye hai mera rasta bilkul seedha to tum sirf ise par chalo aaur dusrey rasto par mat chalo we tumhe sahi rastey se behka denge."

Magar dekh ye bahak hi gaye.


Ab kya kahtey ho Saeedi Bhai, Badey josh se zaeef haditho ke sahare soch rahe they ki jawab de diya itna asaan nahi hai bhai allaha ki faouz se takrana, abhi bhi waqt hai choor choor honey se bacho.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:59 PM

Janab Rafa Ya Dain ka topic is thread main daikhain......
Aap k sab abhaam theek ho jain gay.....
Aur aap apnay aap ko AhleSunnat na kahain
Salafi Ahlesunnat nahin.....
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:31 PM

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 09:59 PM

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Masla no: 1

brelvioon nay aik baar phir merey mutalba karney par bhi Refrence poora nahi diya hai aur sirf. Kitab ka naam likh diya hai.



guzarish hai keh poora refrence diya karien.



Aur saeedi sahib phir koi daleel nahi day sakey bol kar Neyat karney ki aur ilta Abdullah bin Omer raziallahanho par keecher uchalna shuroo kar diya keh who bhi to talbeeh mai izafa kartey the aur wahaan sirf tirmizi ka naam likh diya hai poora refrence nahi diya.



Janab araz hai keh Sihaba par keechar na uchalien pehley aap hadees ka poora matan quote karien aur refrence bhi poora dien.



Aur us kay baad jub daleel koi bun na saki to Ahl e sunnat par ilzam thok diya keh Siraat e Mustaqeem mai hai keh nabi ka khyaal aaye to Namaz toot jati hai.

Janab siraat e mustaqeem par bhag gaye ho ab. Bhago jitna bhag saktey ho.



Yahaan bhi aap nay khiyanat kar dee hai. Sirat e Mustaqeem ka muqaddama parh liya hota us mai likha hai keh is ka 1st Chapter SHAH ISMAIL DEHALVI KA HAI AUR 2ND CHAPTER Abdul Hai Lakhnawi Hanafi ka hai aur Sayed Ahmad Brelvi Hanafai kay chapter hain.



Aur yeh jo alfaaz saeedi sahab nay quote kiye hain woh 2nd chapter mai hain. 1st chapter mai hain hee nahi.



To saeedi sahab dhoka na dien awam ko jo baat poochi gai hai us ka jawab dien.



Agar aisee baat hai to janab aap ki kitab al ashbab al nazaye mai hai



Agar koi namazi Quran ko dekhey aur parhey us ki namaz fasid ho jaye gee. Aur shahwat kay sath agar kisi orat ki farj(vagina) dekhey to us ki namaz baatil nahi ho gee.



Naudhubillah agar mera maqsad logo ko aap ki hut dharmi batana maqsood na hota to mai kabhi aisee baat na karta.



Aur phir ulta hum say hee mutalba shuroo kar diya ke ye daleel do wo daleel do. Counter question na karien agar aap kay pass bol kar neyat karney ki daleel nahi hai to bhai sahib seedha keh dien keh hamarey pass bol kar neyat karney ki koi daleel nahi hai.



Ab hadees koi nahi to ghuniya tul talibeen ka refrence day diya.



Janab ghuniya mai to aur bhi bohet kuch likha hai us mai rafa yadain ruku jatey aur uthtey waqat karney ka zikar bhi hai.



Ahnaaf ka ahl e sunnat na honay ka bhi zikar hai.



Ahl e hadees hee ahl e sunnat hain us ka bhi zikar hai.

Aur yeh bhi keh bidati ki nishani hai hai keh ahl e sunnat sau bughaz rakhtey hain. Jesey aap ko hum say hai.



Lihaza ghuniya par bhago gay to aur bhi bohet kuch mannana parrey ga.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 10:33 PM

masla no: 2 sar ka masah



janab sahib nay jo daleel dee hai us ki taveel kar rahey hain jo keh un kay apney khilaaf hai.



janab mai nay kaha tha keh aap loge aisey kartey ho keh pehley sar ka masah kartey ho. Aur phir end mai garden ka masah kartey ho.



Jub keh hadees e sahih mai aisa nahi. Aur sath hee zaeef hadees balkeh modhu hadees ka refrence day diya.



Janab aap us ko paish karo mai bata dun ga Inshallah wo paish ki ja sakti hain ya nahi.



Is kay bar aqas pagree par masaah ka aiteraaz kar diya. Janab topic say deviate nah un khair mai phir bhi jawab daita hun.





Bukhari kitab al wuzu baab masah al khifeen mai hai

Mughira bin shobah Raziallahanho say riwayat hai keh Rasool Allah Sallahu alihewasallam nay Paishani, Pagri aur mozoon par masah kiya



Bilal Raziallahanho say riwayat hai keh Rasool Sallahu alihewasallam nay mozoon aur pagree par masah kiya

Muslim kitab ul taharah baab al masah anil nasiah wal imamah



To janab guzarish hai keh topic par raheen idher udher na bhagien

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 12:07 AM

Masla no: 3 seenay ya naaf kay neechay hath bandhna

janab e wala hadees par aaj tuk koi maai ka laal jirah nahi kar saka. Jirah us ki sanad par hoti hai.



Sanad par jirah karna keerey nikalna nahi hota hai.



Abdullah bin Mubarak nay farmaya tha keh agar sanad na hoti to jo koi jo marzi keh daita(muqaddama sahih muslim)



Janab Allah kay rasool i baat ko parkha jaye ga ke kya yeh Rasool ki hai bhi ya aisey hee kisi nay apni baat kahi hai?



Aur aik ilzam janab nay lagaya hai keh hamaree fiqh mai likha hai keh orat mardoon ki imamut karwaye gee.



Pehli baat to yeh keh refrence hee nahi diya hai. doosre baat yeh keh hamaree liye Quran O Hadees hujjat hai.



Agar kisi ki baat in say takraye to hum nahi manien gay.

Hum orat ki oraton ki imaamut kay qail hain mardoon ki nahi is kay liye dalaail bhi mojood hai.



Rahi baat waheed ul zamaan ki to janab mai nay us par baat kar li hai dobarah us topic par baat na karien.



Is hee topic mai hui thi baat agar yaqeen na aaye to shuroo say parh lien.



Aap nay kaha mai nay bagair refrence jawab diya hai ajeeb baat hai janab jis book say aap nay jawab diya tha us hee bok say mai nay kaha tha keh yeh riwayat gair mahfooz hai.



Aap dobarah parh lien mai nay refrence diya hai. aap hee kay imam nay us ko gair mahfooz kaha hai.

Aur aap say mai bar bar keh raha hun yeh nisaai abu dawood kya hota hai poora refrence nahi diya jata?.



Mashallah janab nay hamarey istadlaal ko cartoonic harkat bana diya. Janab huim to doosree hadees say seenay par hath bandhtey hain jis mai zikar hai seenay ka.



Aur hum par ilzam na lagaien keh hum Oliyae kiram ki hadees ka mazaq urratey hain. janab Islam ko khraab karney kay liye bohet say yahudien nay ahadees wazah ki thien.



Aap nay kaha sahih hadees paish karien seenay par hath bandhnay ki to janab yeh lo paish hai.



Wail bin hujar raziallah anho farmatey hain mai nai Rasool Sallahu alihewasallam ko namaz parghtey huye dekha.

Phir aap nay daiyaan hath baieen hathili kalaai aur saa`ad (bazu) par rakha

Ibn e khuzaima 1/243, musnad ahmad 4/318 hadees 19075,



Sanad ki tehqeeq



Wail bin hujar raziallah anho sihabi

Kulaib

Sudooq

(taqreeb ul tahzeeb: 5660)



asim bin kulaib

sudooq rami bil rijaa

(taqreeb ul tahzeeb 3075)



zaidah bin qudama

siqqa sabat sahib ul sunnah

(taqreeb ul tahzeeb 6982)



abu waleed hisham bin abdul malik

siqqa sabat

(taqreeb ul tahzeeb 7301)



al hasan bin ali al halwani

siqqa hafiz lahu tasaneef

(taqreeb ul tahzeeb 1262)



naimuwi nay bhi asar ul sunan mai kaha hai

wa isnaadun sahih page 83



al mojam al waseet 1/430 mai hai saa`ad kohni aur hathili kay darmiyaan ko kehtey hain.



Sa`ad say murad poori saa`ad hai baz ul sa`ad nahi.

Hafiz ibn e hajar kehtey hain



Jub tuk takhsees ki daleel qaim na ki jaye amoom lafz ka hee aitebaar hota hai.

Fath ul bari 12/61 tehat hadees 2915



Baaz al saa`ad kisi hadees mai nahi hai.



Daleel 2



Halab taai raziallahanho say riwayat hai

Mai nai nabi sallahu alihewasallam ko daieen aur baieen salam phertey huye dekha hai. aur dekha hai keh aap yeh (hath) apnay seenay par rakhtey the. Yahya(al qitaab ravi) daieen hath ko baieen hath par rakh kar bataya.

Musnad ahmad 5/226 hadees 22313



Sanad ki tehqeeq

Yahya bin saeed al qitaan

Siqqa mutqan hafiz imam qudooh mil kibaar al tasiaah

Taqreeb ul tahzeeb 7557



Sufiyan sorri

Siqqa hafiz faqeeh abid

Taqreeb ul tahzeeb 2445



Samaak bin harab

Sudooq wa rawayat an akrimah khasatu muztaribah wa qad taghaiyur biakhrah faqaan rbama talqan

Taqreeb ul tahzeeb 2624

Yaad rahey samaak ki yeh riwayat akrimah say nahi hai lihaza iztiraab ka khadshah nahi hai. Sufiyan sorri nay samak say hadees ka sama qadeemun(ikhilaat say pehlay) kiya hai lihaza in ki samaak say hadees mustaqeem hai

Bazal al majhood volume jild 4 page 483



Samaak ki riwayat sihah sitta mai hain



Bukhari mai hadees no: 6766 mai hai



Muslim mai too bohet dafa ahadees laye hain samaak ki Aqreeban 45 hain.



Aur bhi bohet see qutub mai us ki riwayaat hain.



Qabewesa bin halab taai

Ibne madeeni nay kaha majhool hai, nisaai nay kaha majhool hai, Al ajli nay kaha siqqa hai aur ibn e hiban nay bhi siqqa logoon mai shamil kiya hai.

(tahzeeb ul tahzeeb 8/314)



tirmzi nay is ki hadees ko hasan kaha hai

tirmizi 256



ajli motadil imam hain lihaza al ajli, ibn e hibban aur tirmizi ki toseeq ko madd e nazar rakhtey huye sahih baat yeh hai keh qabisa bin halab hasan ul hadees hain.



qabisa kay walid halab raziallahanho sihabi hain

(taqreeb ul tahzeeb 7315)



is hadees ka shahid dekho

Wail bin hujar raziallahanho farmatey hain

Mai nay Rasool Sallahu alihewasallam kay sath namaz parhi aap nay daien hath ko baien hath par seenay par rakha

Sahih ibn e khuzaima 1/243 hadees 479



Baaz al e taqleed nay is ki sanad kay ravi mmil bin ismaiel par jirah ki hai



Momil bin ismaieel ki tadeel karney waley muhaddiseen

Yahya bin moieen

Siqqa

Tareekh ibn e moieen 235



Ibn e hibban

Zakarah fi siqqaat

(9/187)



ahmad

rawi anh

majma ul zawaaid 1/80



ibn e shaheen nay apni kitab ul siqqaat mai zikar kiya hai 1416



dar qutni

sahah lahu fe sunnah

2/186 hadees hadees 2261



ibn e khuzaima

akhraj anah fe sahiha

hadees 479



zahbi

kana min siqqaat al barriyyeen

al abar 1/350



hakil

sahah lahu fil mustadrak

1/384



tirmizi 272

sahah lahu fis sunnah



ibn e kaseer

qawah fe tafseer



salman bin harab

yahsan al sanaa aleh

kitab ul muarifat wal tareekh 3/56



bukhari kay ravi hain



jirah karnay waley



abu hatim al razi

SADOOQ SHADEED FE SUNNAH KASEER UL KHATA YAKTUB UL HADEES

Wo suchay sunnat mai sakhat the, bohet ggaltiyaan kartey the un ki hadees likhi jati hai.

Kitab ul jirah wa tadeel 8/374



Bukhari nay kaha

Munkir ul hadees

Tehzeeb ul kamala 18/526



Yeh qol bila sanad aur bila hawala hai



Jubkeh is kay baraqas bukhari mai momil bin ismaieel ki riwayaat mojood hain.



Bukhari ki kitab ul zo`afa mai in ka koi zikar nahi hai.



In ko tareekh ul kabeer mai bhi zikar kiya hai aur jirah nahi ki hai.

Abhi itna hee kafi hai.

lihaza yeh sanad bhi sahih hai Alhumdulillah

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:30 AM

aur umme darda raziallahanha ko mai galti say umme salma raziallahanha samajh baitha tha yeh meri galti thi jo shetaan ki taraf say hui jis say mai ruju karta hun.

umme darda raziallahanho kay barey mai bukhari mai hai keh woh faqeeh thien aur mardoon ki tarhaan baithti thien

aap jo keh rahey ho ibn e omer raziallahanho wali hadees kay barey mai to bhai mai nay kub kaha hai keh ibn e omer raziallahanho us ko sunnat nahi samajhtey the.

janab aap nay kaha jub qoli aur faili hadees mai taruz ho.

to janab zaeef hadees aur sahih hadees mai taruz ho to mana sahih hadees ko jaye ga na keh zaeef hadees ko.

aur 2 sahih ahadees mai kabhi bhi taruz nahi ho sakta hai. teri ya meri soch mai shayed woh aapas mai takra rahi hain lekin muhaddiseen nay 100 say ziadah tareeqay batlaye hain aapas mai tatbeeq deney kay.

to bhai sahab bukhari ki hadees sahih hai behqi ki hadees kamzore hai mana bukhari ki hadees ko jaye ga.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:40 AM

masla 5

janab sahab mai nai kaha tha keh hum par QURAN HADEES AUR IJMA E SIHABA hujjat hai na keh kisi ki kitab.

aap to ulta gussa hee kar gaye?? mai nay poocha tha kitab kis musannif ki hai jo abhi tuk nahi bataya aur refrence bhi poora nahi diya sirf naam likh diya hai.

mai nay abu dawood say hadees paish ki thi

aur motta imam malik say Omer raziallahanho say hadees paish ki thi aap is ko khabar e wahid keh rahey hain??

aap nay in ka to jawab hee nahi diya hai. kya yeh ahadees zaeef hain??

Quran aur hadees mai taruz nahi hota kabhi bhi.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:55 AM

Masala e taqleed

Mashallah say janab brelvi sahab nay Moosa Alehsalam ko Khizar Alehsalam ka muqallid bananey ki koshish ki hai.

janab sahab nay ahl e sunnat ko khanzeer say tashbeeh dee. kion na dien jub QURAN ko orat ki farj say milaya ja sakta hai to hum kya hain naudhubillah.

janab kisi aik sihabi sai la kar dekha dien keh un ko ALLAH kay nabi ki daleel pata lag jaye aur woh kaheen keh nahi hum nahi manien gay balkeh hum apney mujtahid sihabi ki manien gay.?

is kay baraqas ibn e abbas o abdullah bin omer raziallahanhum kay asaar paish kiye the aur sihaba kay aqwaal bhi paish kiye the koi jawab nahi aaya hai.

janab is baat say koi ahl e sunnat inkaar nahi karta keh agar koi masla ho to kisi achay aalim ki taraf ruju kiya jaye us ki baat ko mannana taqleed nahi kehtey haan agar daleel pata lag jaye Quran o Sunnat say phir woh kahey nahi merey barrey merey molvi merey imam to phir is ko kehtey hain taqleed ka patta galay mai daal liya hai us nay.

aur yahaan bukhari ki hadees ka mazaaq urrana shuroo kar diya jo keh biddatioon ka hamesha say shewa raha hai. is (kharey ho kar peshab karney wali) hadees ko hamesha say bidati brelvi raza khani jahmi, murji mazak bana letey hain aur aaj bhi aisa hee hua hai. janab e wala siraf bukhari hee hadees ki kitab nahi hai aur kisi hades ki kitab say dekh lo. agar nahi milta to kisi aalim kay pass janay say kis nay roka hai?

yeh baat to aap tub karo jub hum aalim kay pass janay say rokien? ikhtilaaf to yeh hai keh aalim ki har baat mannana aur Daleel deney par bhi hut dharmi dikhana khaan ka ISLAM hai.

aap ko mai nay kaha hai keh ibn e omar raziallahanho ki hadees ka matan aur hawala poora dien phir jawab milay ga.

aur yahaan khud mujtahid bannaney ki koshish ki keh imamoon nay har kisi ko nahi balkeh apney shagirdoon ko kaha tha. MASHALLAH kya faqahat hai janab ki. Mubarak ho aap ko aap ki faqqahat.

aur meri aik bhi aayat ka jawab nahi diya hai aur aqwaal e sihaba ka bhi apni taraf say fazool sa jawab day diya hai.

aur naudhubillah yeh gustaakhi bhi kar dee keh hadees parh kar amal karna khatarnaak hai. O jao hum kehtey hain jis ka aqeeda yeh hai hadees sun kar amal karna khatarnaak hai us ka eemaan khatrey mai hai.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 06:04 AM

last masla

yeh hadees dobarah quote karney ki zroorat hee nahi thi. mai nay sab say pehley hadees ka jawaab hadees say diya tha. keh us hee hadees kay neechay wali hadees hai jis mai yeh hai keh sihaba salaam kay waqat hath say ishara kar rahey the aur yeh hee musnad e ahmad mai bhi hai keh salam kay waqat hath utha rahey the. aap nay us ko chua tuk nahi aur lagey bukhari par aiteraaz karney.

Mashallah mai nai nawawi o Bukhari say jawab paish kiya tha agar imam bukhari akailay hotey to alag baat thi mai nay to nawawi ka qol bhi paish kiya tha.

aap nay kaha keh aakhri waqt tuk saabit karien janab mai nay kitni hee ahadees paish kien jo nabi ki wafaat kay baad ki hain.

aap nay aik ka bhi jawab nahi diya yeh keh kar jaan chura li keh un mai rafayadain ka zikar hai.

janab Abu bakar raziallahanho ki hadees wafaat kay baad ki hai

Omer raziallahanho wali hadees wafaat kay baad ki hai

Abdullah bin Omer raziallahanho wali hadees wafaat kay baad ki hai aur wo to rafa yadain na karney waley ko kankariaan bhi martey the.

is kay ilawah mai nay Wail bin hujar raziallahanho say aur Malik bin huweris raziallahanho say wafaat kay baad rafayadain saabit kiya
aur bhi ahadees paish ki thien.

janab e wala apni jaan na churaaien meri batoon ka jawab dien. bhagien na. haq ko qabool karien brelviat o hanafiyat ko chorien aur meri tarhaan asli ahl e sunnat ho jaien.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:33 PM

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Masla no: 1
janab raza khani sahab nay apni baat ka defend kartey huye kaha hai keh kisi ko dekhnay say namaz nahi toot jati.

razakhani sahab zara gorr karo. mai nay kaha tha kitab mai hai shahwat kay sath dekh lay orat ki farj ko. Astaghfirullah kya yeh gustaakhi nahi? mubarak ho razakhanioo ko aise ibaraat. aur jo is ko gustakhi na samjhay us par lanat ho. Quran ka zikar Orat ki farj kay sath kiya. AUR DOOSRA YEH KEH SHAHWAT KAY SATH DEKHNEY KI BAAT KI

janab e wala MAI NAY TO kaha tha keh hamarey liye Allah Aur us ka Rasool Hujjat hain. aap kisi ki kitab paish nahi kar saktey ho agar wo Quran O Sunnat kay khilaaf hai.

Aur shah ismail nay yeh ibarat nahi likhi hai mai phir kehta hun. yeh abdul hai lakhnawi hanafi ki ibarat hai. pehley chapter say nikal kar dekhao.

doosree baat yeh keh ab tumheen ahadees nahi mil rahien to topic say deviate hona shuroo ho gaye? topic par raho warna loge kaheen gay raza khani deviate ho gya hai.

Abdullah bin omer raziallahanho wali hadees kay neechay Tirmizi Rahimullah ki commentry parh letey to kitna hee acha hota.

kehtey hain:

‏قال ‏ ‏وفي ‏ ‏الباب ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن مسعود ‏ ‏وجابر ‏ ‏وعائشة ‏ ‏وابن عباس ‏ ‏وأبي هريرة ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏أبو عيسى ‏ ‏حديث ‏ ‏ابن عمر ‏ ‏حديث حسن صحيح ‏ ‏والعمل عليه عند بعض أهل العلم من ‏ ‏أصحاب النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏وغيرهم وهو قول ‏ ‏سفيان ‏ ‏والشافعي ‏ ‏وأحمد ‏ ‏وإسحق ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏الشافعي ‏ ‏وإن زاد في التلبية شيئا من تعظيم الله فلا بأس إن شاء الله وأحب إلي أن يقتصر على تلبية رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏الشافعي ‏ ‏وإنما قلنا لا بأس بزيادة تعظيم الله فيها لما جاء عن ‏ ‏ابن عمر ‏ ‏وهو حفظ التلبية عن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ثم زاد ‏ ‏ابن عمر ‏ ‏في تلبيته من قبله لبيك ‏ ‏والرغباء ‏ ‏إليك والعمل
tirmizi,al hajj, maja fe talbiyah
translation:
abu eesa nay kaha is baab mai ibn e masood, jabir,aisha,ibn e abbas aur abu huraira raziallahanhum sai bhi riwayat hai. aur ibn e omar raziallahanho ki hadees hasan sahih hai. aur isi par ullema sihaba aur deegar ullema ka amal hai. aur yeh sufiyan,shafi,ahmad o ishaq ka qol hai. shafi kehtey hain agar ALLAH ki tazeem mai izafa karey to koi mazaiqa nahi. jubkeh merey nazdeek behter yeh hee hai keh itna hee parhey jitna keh aap sallahualihewasallam say sabit hai. is mai ziadti karney mai is liye koi harj nahi kion keh ibn e omer raziallahanho Huzoor sallahu alihewasallam kay talbiya kay hafiz the. phir bhi is mai apni taraf say ziadti ki. chunancha yeh amal is kay liye jawaz par dalalut karta hai.(end of translation)

imam tirmizi nay samjha diya keh ibn e omer sihabi e rasool hain aur talbiyah kay hafiz hain. lekin phir bhi Behter yeh hee hai keh jo alfaaz nabi nay kahey woh hee parhey jaien. aur jo parhta hai us par koi harj nahi kion kay sihabi e rasool say sabit hai.

aur hum bhi yeh hee kehtey hain. jesey abdullah bin masood raziallahanho nabi ki wafaat kay baad Assalamu alika ayyuhan nabi kay bajaye assalamu alannabiyu kay qail ho gaye the. hamarey nazdeek Assalamu alika behter hai aur agar koi assalamu alan nabi parhey us ko rokna nahi chahiye. kion kay sihabi say sabit hai..

razakhani sahab samajh aai kay nahi?



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Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:52 PM

rahi baat ghuniya tul talibeen ki to razakhani sahab mai nay pehley hee kaha hai keh us mai to rafayadain ka bhi likha hai.

ahl e sunnat ka aik hee naam hai ahl e hadee yeh bhi hai.

yeh bhi hai keh bidati ki nishani yeh hai keh ahl e sunnat say bughaz rakhey. jo aap ko hum say hai.

aur yeh bhi keh ALLAH apney arsh par hai. bila kaif wa la tashbeeh.

aur yeh bhi keh ahnaaf ko ahl e sunnat say kharij kiya hai. agar woh mantey ho to yeh bhi mano.

Masla no: 2 Sarr ka masah
aik baar phir merey kehney par bhi sirf kitab poora refrence nahi diya. mai bar bar guzarish kar chuka hun keh poora refrence diya karo.
raza khanioon ki adat ban chuki hai. mai apnay liye bhi aur jo yeh read kar rahey hain un kay liye bhi kehta hun takeh asani ho.

Salat ur rasool ki baat ki to phir hawala poora na diya. khair mai batata hun. janab e wala.
us mai bhi aap ki tarhaan nahi hai.

Hadees hai
AAP SALLAHU alihewasallam nay sarr ka masah kiya. dono hath sarr kay pichlay hissa say shuroo kar kay guddee tuk peechey lay gaye. phir peechay say aagay us hee jagha lay aaye jhaan say shuroo kiya tha.
Bukhari kitab al wudhu baab masah al r`as` 185

aur Alhum dulillah hum bilkul aisey hee masah kartey hain. lekin aap ki tarhaan nahi.ap gardan ko dono hathoon kay pichlay hissay say masah kartey ho. hadees mai aisa kuch nahi. aap loge gardan ka alag say masah kartey ho.

aisee hadees paish karo na jis mai gardan ka alag say masah ka zikar ho.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:02 AM

pagree ka masah khaan say darmiaan mai aa gya? deviate hotey ja rahey ho. khair mai jawab daita hun. next time topic par rehna jo sawalaat kiye the un par yahaan kion bhagtey ho?

mai nai ahadees paish ki thien aur hum Alhamdulillah un ko mantey hain. aur guzarish hai keh refrence poora do.

aap jub tuk refrence nahi do gay baat karna mushkil hai.

yeh aap ki jahalat hai jo refrence poora nahi detey takeh sab ko pata na chal jaye.

Masal 3 Namaz mai hath khaan bandhien.
janab woh hadees. hadees hee nahi hoti jo modhu ho aur wo hadees jis mai shak ho us par amal karna sahi nahi soecially tub jub us kay khilaaf koi sahih hadees ho. kion keh ALLAH kay nabi ki baat ko parkha jata hai. har airey ghairey ki baat qabool nahi ho gee jesey koi fasiq khabar day to us ki tehqeeq karni chahiye. aisey nahi maan laina chahiye.

rahi baat Oratoon ki imamut ki to janab mai nay kaha tha orat oratoon ki imamut karwaye gee mardoon ki nahi aur jo baat (CHAHEY WO AB HANIFA,SHAFI,MALIM,AHMAD rahimullah tala anhum KI HEE KIION NA HO) Quran say ya hadees se takraye hum nahi man saktey.

yeh kitabien to baad mai hain? aur yeh kya baat hai hum par zabardati keh hum is ko bhi jaiz manien? kion manie janab?

jo baat Quran O Nabi Pak Sallahu alihewasallam say sabit ho hum us hee ko manien gay. yeh hanafi hee ki jurrat hai jo kehta hai

har woh hadees jo hamarey ashaab kay khilaaf ho woh nasakh par mahmool hai ya wo moariz ho gee us jesi kisi hadees hai(asool e karkhi page 11 taba idara ahya ul sunnah)

aur aap bar bar woh hee baat kion likhtey ho? kion post ko lamba kar rahey ho?

Qasim ki baat kartey ho mai nay to kaha hai keh naimuwi hanfi nay us hadees ko gair mahfooz kaha hai. tahtul sirra ka zikar sab say pehley qasim (879h) nay kiya hai. is baat ki allama muhammad hiyat sindhi hanafi nay pur zor tardeed ki hai keh jis nuskha ki buniyad mai is mai mai izafa ka dawa kiya ja raha hai woh nuskha sahih nahi hai.

un ka poora moqaf un kay risala(fath ul ghafoor fe tehqeeq waza yadain al sadoor) mai dekhi ja sakti hai.

aur naimuwi hanafi nay to yahaan tuk likh diya hai keh
insaaf ki baat yeh hai keh izafa ghair mahfooz aur matan kay aitebar say zaeef hai
(al taleeq ul hasan al asaar ul sunan page 91)

jub aap hee kay akabir maan rahey hain to aap kon ho?

aur yeh keh yeh riwayat musannif ibn e abi shaiba mai is sanad say hai
haddasana wakee an moosa bin nomair an alqama bin wail bin hujar an abeeh(ibn e abi shaiba page 390 jild 1)

aur yeh hee riwayat ahmad bin hamble nay imam walee nay brah e rast is sanad say naqal ki hai magar us mai tahtul sirra kay alfaaz nahi hain(musnad ahmad volume 4 page 316)

aur yeh hee riwayat imam darqutni nay imam wakee kay shagird yusuf bin moosa kay wasta say zikar ki hai magar us mai bhi yeh izafa nahi hai.(darqutni jild 1 page 286)

imam behqi nay sana abu naeem sana moosa bin umair kay tareeq say riwayat kiya hai magar us mai bhi tahtul sirra kay alfaaz mojood nahi hain(behqi volume 2 page 28)

agar aap ab bhi na manie to yeh aap ki zid hai. agar tahtul sirra kay lafz the to un mai bhi hona chahiyeen the.

1. wail bin hujar raziallahanho wali hadees janab mai nay ibn e hajar ki baat quote ki thi is. aur yeh bhi keh is say murad pori sa`ad li jaye gee.

2. halab raziallahanho ki hadees par woh hee aiteraaz kiya hai jo razakhani aqsar kartey hain.

janab ibn e hajar say jawab suno
ibn e khuzaima nay wail bin hujar raziallahanho say keh aap nay seena par hath bandhey aur bazaar nay seena kay qareeb hath bandhney ki riwayat ki hai. seena par hath bandhney ki musnad ahmad mai halab taai raziallahanho ki riwayat aai hai. aur ziadaat musnad mai Ali raziallahanho say naaf kay neechay ki riwayat aai hai magar is ki sanad zaeef hai.
(fath u bari page 178 jild 2)

janab ab bolo ibn e hajar to is hadees ko seenay par hath bandhney ka zikar karien aur aaj ka mullah kahey keh namaz kay baad ki hai?

yahaan is hadees mai hai namaz mai hath seenay par bandhtey. yeh nahi namaz kay baad seenay par hath bandhtey.

3. momil bin ismail ki jirah aap na kar sakey sirf yeh keh diya us ka hafiza kamzore hai. jubkeh mai nay us ki tadeel o jirah dono paish ki thien us ko kha gaye?

kya hua kion jawab nahi detey? momil bin ismaiel ka mai nay mudallal jawab diya munh torr jawab dia hai ALHUMDULILLAH.

aap ki kya hasaiyet hai deen mai?

aur yahaan bar bar topic sey deviate ho rahey ho jawab na bana to kaheen aur nikal gaye? un par bhi baat karien gay fil haal aap yahaan to aao.





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