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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:14 AM

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:17 AM

himmat hai himmat hai ka shor na machaien ankhien khol kar dekhen mai nay sahih hadees paish ki hain.

aur yeh Ahl e sunnat ki ru say sahih ahadees hai Alhumdulillah.

aur rahi baat qiyaas ki to hum kehtey hain qiyaas kiya ja sakta hai lekin agar woh hadees ya Quran kay khilaaf ho ga to us ko chorr diya jaye ga.

aur yahaan qiyaas Quran O sahih ahadees kay muwafiq hai.

Jub tumharey pass koi fasiq khabar lay kar aaye to us ki tehqeeq kar liya karo. (hujraat ayat 5)

naudubillah Quran galat kehta hai.

yahudi ki baat bhi tub mano jub confirm ho jaye.

aur Muhammad bin sireen nay farmaya tha loge isnaad kay barey mai baaz purs nahi kiya kartey the jub fitney waku pazeer huye to yeh poocha janay laga. is riwayat kay ravi kon hain(muqaddama muslim)

bhai sahab hadees jis mai yahudi ka zikar hai us ka apni taraf say matlab na nikalien. jo muhaddiseen nay tabieen o sihaba nay samjha hai us tarhaan samjheen.
yeh aap ki hee faqahat hai.

janab e wala koi aik hadees la kar dekha do jis mai fuqaha ki hadees ka mazak urraya ho? isnaad par jirah muhaddiseen nay ki hai hum nay nahi.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:42 AM

masla aakhi qada mai bethney ka andaaz.
janab e wala yahaan mai phir kehta hun refrence poora diya karo.

aur janab aap jo abu humaid saidee raziallahanho wali hadees ki taveel kar rahey hain woh kis daleel say kar rahey hain?

ALLAH kay nabi doosri rakat mai bethtey to baieen paoon par bethtey. jub 4th rakat mai bethtey to apni kon par bethtey.

janab yahaan ALLAH kay nabi ko 2nd rakat mai bhi to kon par bethna chahie tha na?
jesey ABDULLAH BIN OMER RAZIALLAHANHO bethey the?

molana abdul hai lakhnawi hanafi likhtey hain.
insaaf ki baat yeh hai keh koi aisee hadee nahi paai jati jis mai aakhri tashaud mai baien paun par bethney ka wazeh saboot ho. jubkeh abu humaid saidee raziallahanho ki hadees tafseel kay sath hai lihaza mubham riwayaat ko mufassal par mahmool kiya jaye ga.
(al taleeq al mumjid page 111)

rahi baat abdullah bin omer raziallahanho ki keh wo sunnat kehtey the. jo keh bilkul sahih hai lekin aap hadees ko apni taraf say na samjheen aap nay motta ka hawala diya.
motta imam malik ba riwayat motta imam muhammad page 110
imam maalik nay is riwayat ko pehli 2 rakaat par mahmool kiya hai.

nisai nay bhi baab yeh bandha hai
kaif al juloos tashahud awal
pehley tashahud mai kis tarhaan baithna chahiye (mujtaba jild 1 page 136)

ibn e hajar nay kaha
abu humaid raziallahanho ki hadees pehley doosrey tashahud kay byan mai mufassal hai. pus is sifat mazkoorah ki bina par kaha ja sakta hai. keh yeh hadees abu humaid raziallahanho kay khilaaf nahi. kion keh motta mai abdullah bin deenar ki riwayat mai yeh tasreeh hai keh hazrat ibn e omar raziallahano ka mazkoorah tashahud aakhri tha. aur nisai ki riwayat mai yeh hai ke bayaan paoon bitha kar us par baitha jaye. pus is riwayat ko pehley tashahud par haml kiya jaye ga aur motta ki riwayat ko aakhri tashahud par daf`a taruz kay liye mahmool kiya jaye ga. to yeh riwayat e mazkoorah tafseel say abu humaid saidee raziallahanho kay muwafiq hai
(fath ul bari jild 2 page 243)

aap jo riwayat paish kar rahey hain wo mufassil nahi hai. lihaza mufassil riwayat ko dekha jaye ga.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:42 AM

masla aakhi qada mai bethney ka andaaz.
janab e wala yahaan mai phir kehta hun refrence poora diya karo.

aur janab aap jo abu humaid saidee raziallahanho wali hadees ki taveel kar rahey hain woh kis daleel say kar rahey hain?

ALLAH kay nabi doosri rakat mai bethtey to baieen paoon par bethtey. jub 4th rakat mai bethtey to apni kon par bethtey.

janab yahaan ALLAH kay nabi ko 2nd rakat mai bhi to kon par bethna chahie tha na?
jesey ABDULLAH BIN OMER RAZIALLAHANHO bethey the?

molana abdul hai lakhnawi hanafi likhtey hain.
insaaf ki baat yeh hai keh koi aisee hadee nahi paai jati jis mai aakhri tashaud mai baien paun par bethney ka wazeh saboot ho. jubkeh abu humaid saidee raziallahanho ki hadees tafseel kay sath hai lihaza mubham riwayaat ko mufassal par mahmool kiya jaye ga.
(al taleeq al mumjid page 111)

rahi baat abdullah bin omer raziallahanho ki keh wo sunnat kehtey the. jo keh bilkul sahih hai lekin aap hadees ko apni taraf say na samjheen aap nay motta ka hawala diya.
motta imam malik ba riwayat motta imam muhammad page 110
imam maalik nay is riwayat ko pehli 2 rakaat par mahmool kiya hai.

nisai nay bhi baab yeh bandha hai
kaif al juloos tashahud awal
pehley tashahud mai kis tarhaan baithna chahiye (mujtaba jild 1 page 136)

ibn e hajar nay kaha
abu humaid raziallahanho ki hadees pehley doosrey tashahud kay byan mai mufassal hai. pus is sifat mazkoorah ki bina par kaha ja sakta hai. keh yeh hadees abu humaid raziallahanho kay khilaaf nahi. kion keh motta mai abdullah bin deenar ki riwayat mai yeh tasreeh hai keh hazrat ibn e omar raziallahano ka mazkoorah tashahud aakhri tha. aur nisai ki riwayat mai yeh hai ke bayaan paoon bitha kar us par baitha jaye. pus is riwayat ko pehley tashahud par haml kiya jaye ga aur motta ki riwayat ko aakhri tashahud par daf`a taruz kay liye mahmool kiya jaye ga. to yeh riwayat e mazkoorah tafseel say abu humaid saidee raziallahanho kay muwafiq hai
(fath ul bari jild 2 page 243)

aap jo riwayat paish kar rahey hain wo mufassil nahi hai. lihaza mufassil riwayat ko dekha jaye ga.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:56 AM

aur aap kamzore riwayat kion paish kar rahey hain? kion na paish karo gay jub keh aap ka mazhab hee kamzore riwayaat par hai. aur kamzore hai.

lihaza kamzore riwayaat paish karney ka koi haq nahi pohonchta hai ap ko.

NA KHNJAR UTHEY GA NA TALWAAR IN SAY
YEH BAZU MEREY AZMAYE HUYE HAIN.

Kamzore riwayaat kioi hujjat nahi jub un kay baraqas un kay sahih riwayaat hun. aap kamzore riwayat kion paish kartey ho?

masla nijasat.
raza khani sahab aap meri baat ko samajh kion nahi rahey?
kesey samjho gay jub hadees ko hee apni taraf say samjhtey ho mai kya hu?
mai nay ahadees paish ki thien jin mai teer lagtey hain sihaba ko aik Omer raziallahanho aur aik ansari sihabi ko aur khoon nikalta hai.

yeh majboori ki halat mai hai janab. lekin namaz nahi toot jati aisey. agar toot jati hai to kaho ke Omer raziallahanho ki aur ansari sihabi ki namaz nahi hui aur nabi Naudhubillah un ko batana bhool gaye the.

aur mai nay kub kaha hai keh khoon halal hai?

Muhammad bin ishaq ka aap bataien kay shih hai ya zaeef. phir INSHALLAH hum bata dien gay.

agar sahih hai to bhi bata dien agar zaeef hai to bhi bata dien bataiye ga zroor kion kay jawab daina hau hum nay.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 01:07 AM

Masla e taqleed.
janab murji,razakhani,jahmi sahab ikhtilaaf abu hanifa aur ai`e`ma ki taqleed par hai ke in ki taqleed khaan say aa gai?.

yeh taqleed to 400 saal baad shuru hui.

agar in ki jo taqleed na karey wo aap kay ullema kay nazdeeq la mazhab hai? to janab e wala Sihaba ko kya kaho gay? wo to in ki taqleed nahi kartey the.

aur aisee kya baat thi jo nabi to poori na kar sakey lekin abu hanifa poori kar gaye?

aur naudhubillah nabi ki baat 100 saal na chal saki aur abu hanifa ki aaj tuk chal rahi hai?

aur yeh hee to mai kehta hun keh Sihaba nay taqleed nahi ki asar ki namaz wahaan ja kar parhi aur kuch nahi pehley. apni apni soch kay mutabik faisla kiya. aap ki tarhaan firqay nahi bana liye. mai hanafi hun tu shafi hai wo maliki hai yeh hanbali hai.

aur nabi nay un sab ko kuch nahi kaha tha.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 02:18 AM

bukhari ki kitab ul jumma mai nay dekhi hai aap mujhai poora refrence do. aur hadees number bhi. aur muslim ka bhi.

dekho jub mai refrence daita hun to poora daita hun na? to aap ko kya masla hai poora detey huye darr kion lagta hai?

aur raha masla yeh keh Ahl e sunnat nay awam ko mara? to janab awam ko to aap nay maar diya hai taqleed ka patta pehna kar.

is ka jawab mai dai chuka hun keh hadees ki taraf ruju kiya jaye ga aap ki tarhaan nahi keh hadees ko parh kar amal karney wala khatrey mai hai. naudhubillah.

hum to kehtey hain jub samajh na aaye to ahl say sawal karo. ilzam na lago.

Masla 7 rafa yadain.
aap aakhir waheen kay waheen atkay huye hain.
aap nay nawawi ko bukhari muqallid bana diya hai. kabhi aap kay aalim un ko shafi banatey ho aaj bukhari bana diya? kya faqahat hai aap ki jhootoon par ALLAH ki lanat.

aap nay kaha keh muqallid na banien un kay.aur daleel e ilmi say jawab dien. janab shayed aap taqleed ki ainak laga kar dekh rahey hain jo meri paish ki hui ahadees nazar nahi aaien. janab mai nay to doosree ahadees paish ki hain bukhari o nawawi ki baat to mai nay baad mai paish ki hai.

aap motta imam malik kay refrence day rahey ho kya imam malik kay muqallid ho?

aaj jo marzi kar lo razakhani sahab aap ka kuch nahi bannana.

aap ko daleel mili bhi to jis may ruku mai janey auur uthney ka zikar hee nahi hai. aur dosree ahadees mai salam kay waqat ka zikar hai.

1. ibn e omar raziallahanho wali hadees mai un ko tabiee dekh rahey hain un kay betey hain. aur doosra yeh keh nafi dekh rahey hain. wafaat kay baad ka zikar hai.
janab e wala ibn e zubair aur Abu bakar raziallahanhum ki hadees wafaat kay baad ki hai.
aur aap ko mai nay bukhari ki hadees ka refrence diya hai jis mai mondhoon ka zikar hai aap abu dawood par khaan pohonch gaye?

sawal kuch jawab kuch.

aur Mashallah aap nay khud hee juzz ul rafayadain say rafayadain ki ahadees paish karna shurroo kar dee hain. is ko kehtey hai ALLAH KI MADAD.

kay mukhalif kay munh say haq niqal raha hai.
aur seenay ki to baat hee nahi hai is hadees mai to seenay ka radd khaan say aa gya. seeney ki baat us hee behes mai karo yahaan na karo.

aap kay aik brelvi bhai nay to is hadees par jirah ki thi ab woh bhag gaye hain? unhu nay kaha tha yeh hadees zaeef hai.

aur yeh bhi keh ali bin madini(shaykh e bukhari) kehtey hain hadees e ibn e omar raziallahanho ki bina par musalmano par rafayadain karna zroori hai.
(talkhees ul jubair jild 1 page 218 taba jadeed wa hamish sahih bukhari darsi nuskha)

2. Malik bin huweris raziallahanho
aap keh rahey hain mazey ki baat yeh hai. aap yahaan maza lay rahey hain? hadees ki mehfil ko mazay ki mehfil bana rahey ho.
kuch aisee hee baat shamsheer e alahazrat nay ki thi aap loge ho hee mazey leney kay liye yahaan. khair....
aur yahan malik bin huweris raziallahanho ki dhaeef hadees paish kar dee. aur refrence bhi poora nahi diya hai.

sajdoon mai rafayadain nahi hua hai kabhi bhi.
aap riwayat paish karo refrence bhi poora do khair aap apni adat say baaz na aao gay.
is riwayat mai saeed bin abi arooba hai aur mudallis hai aur ikhilaat ka shikar ho gaye the. aur yeh riwayat wo an say kar rahey hain mudallis ki an wali riwayat zaeef hoti hai.
qatadah bhi siqqa hain lekin mudallis hain lihaza woh bhi an say riwayat kar rahey hain.

is kay baraqas Malik bin huwaris raziallahanho ki bukhari wali hadees mai sajdoon mai rafayadain ka zikar hee nahi hai.

3. aur wail bin hujar raziallahanho 9h aur baad mai 10 h ko aaye the. aur dono waqt rafayadain ho raha tha. aur sajdoon mai rafayadain ka zikar hee nahi hai.

aur jo aap nay bukhari ki hadees paish ki hai us ki sanad yeh hai

qal wakee an al amash an ibraheem
yeh riwayat ba sanad mutsil nahi mili. doosrey yeh keh amash mudallis hain. aur mudallis ki ghair sahiheen mai an wali riwayat sahih nahi hoti hai
(khazain ul sunan volume 1 page 1)

aap nay kaha wail raziallahanho nay aglay saal rafayadain kartey huye nahi dekha arre juzz ka refrence day rahey ho. thora say aagey par letey.

bukhari yeh dono ahadees byan karney kay baad kehtey hain yeh wail (bin hujar raziallahanho) hain. jinhu nay byan kiya keh unhu nay Nabi sallahualihewasallam aur aap kay sihaba ko yakkay baad deegrey rafayadain kartey huye dekha.
(juzz ul rafayadain raqam 71)
kya yahaan bhi bukhari say galti hui?

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 02:18 AM

bukhari ki kitab ul jumma mai nay dekhi hai aap mujhai poora refrence do. aur hadees number bhi. aur muslim ka bhi.

dekho jub mai refrence daita hun to poora daita hun na? to aap ko kya masla hai poora detey huye darr kion lagta hai?

aur raha masla yeh keh Ahl e sunnat nay awam ko mara? to janab awam ko to aap nay maar diya hai taqleed ka patta pehna kar.

is ka jawab mai dai chuka hun keh hadees ki taraf ruju kiya jaye ga aap ki tarhaan nahi keh hadees ko parh kar amal karney wala khatrey mai hai. naudhubillah.

hum to kehtey hain jub samajh na aaye to ahl say sawal karo. ilzam na lago.

Masla 7 rafa yadain.
aap aakhir waheen kay waheen atkay huye hain.
aap nay nawawi ko bukhari muqallid bana diya hai. kabhi aap kay aalim un ko shafi banatey ho aaj bukhari bana diya? kya faqahat hai aap ki jhootoon par ALLAH ki lanat.

aap nay kaha keh muqallid na banien un kay.aur daleel e ilmi say jawab dien. janab shayed aap taqleed ki ainak laga kar dekh rahey hain jo meri paish ki hui ahadees nazar nahi aaien. janab mai nay to doosree ahadees paish ki hain bukhari o nawawi ki baat to mai nay baad mai paish ki hai.

aap motta imam malik kay refrence day rahey ho kya imam malik kay muqallid ho?

aaj jo marzi kar lo razakhani sahab aap ka kuch nahi bannana.

aap ko daleel mili bhi to jis may ruku mai janey auur uthney ka zikar hee nahi hai. aur dosree ahadees mai salam kay waqat ka zikar hai.

1. ibn e omar raziallahanho wali hadees mai un ko tabiee dekh rahey hain un kay betey hain. aur doosra yeh keh nafi dekh rahey hain. wafaat kay baad ka zikar hai.
janab e wala ibn e zubair aur Abu bakar raziallahanhum ki hadees wafaat kay baad ki hai.
aur aap ko mai nay bukhari ki hadees ka refrence diya hai jis mai mondhoon ka zikar hai aap abu dawood par khaan pohonch gaye?

sawal kuch jawab kuch.

aur Mashallah aap nay khud hee juzz ul rafayadain say rafayadain ki ahadees paish karna shurroo kar dee hain. is ko kehtey hai ALLAH KI MADAD.

kay mukhalif kay munh say haq niqal raha hai.
aur seenay ki to baat hee nahi hai is hadees mai to seenay ka radd khaan say aa gya. seeney ki baat us hee behes mai karo yahaan na karo.

aap kay aik brelvi bhai nay to is hadees par jirah ki thi ab woh bhag gaye hain? unhu nay kaha tha yeh hadees zaeef hai.

aur yeh bhi keh ali bin madini(shaykh e bukhari) kehtey hain hadees e ibn e omar raziallahanho ki bina par musalmano par rafayadain karna zroori hai.
(talkhees ul jubair jild 1 page 218 taba jadeed wa hamish sahih bukhari darsi nuskha)

2. Malik bin huweris raziallahanho
aap keh rahey hain mazey ki baat yeh hai. aap yahaan maza lay rahey hain? hadees ki mehfil ko mazay ki mehfil bana rahey ho.
kuch aisee hee baat shamsheer e alahazrat nay ki thi aap loge ho hee mazey leney kay liye yahaan. khair....
aur yahan malik bin huweris raziallahanho ki dhaeef hadees paish kar dee. aur refrence bhi poora nahi diya hai.

sajdoon mai rafayadain nahi hua hai kabhi bhi.
aap riwayat paish karo refrence bhi poora do khair aap apni adat say baaz na aao gay.
is riwayat mai saeed bin abi arooba hai aur mudallis hai aur ikhilaat ka shikar ho gaye the. aur yeh riwayat wo an say kar rahey hain mudallis ki an wali riwayat zaeef hoti hai.
qatadah bhi siqqa hain lekin mudallis hain lihaza woh bhi an say riwayat kar rahey hain.

is kay baraqas Malik bin huwaris raziallahanho ki bukhari wali hadees mai sajdoon mai rafayadain ka zikar hee nahi hai.

3. aur wail bin hujar raziallahanho 9h aur baad mai 10 h ko aaye the. aur dono waqt rafayadain ho raha tha. aur sajdoon mai rafayadain ka zikar hee nahi hai.

aur jo aap nay bukhari ki hadees paish ki hai us ki sanad yeh hai

qal wakee an al amash an ibraheem
yeh riwayat ba sanad mutsil nahi mili. doosrey yeh keh amash mudallis hain. aur mudallis ki ghair sahiheen mai an wali riwayat sahih nahi hoti hai
(khazain ul sunan volume 1 page 1)

aap nay kaha wail raziallahanho nay aglay saal rafayadain kartey huye nahi dekha arre juzz ka refrence day rahey ho. thora say aagey par letey.

bukhari yeh dono ahadees byan karney kay baad kehtey hain yeh wail (bin hujar raziallahanho) hain. jinhu nay byan kiya keh unhu nay Nabi sallahualihewasallam aur aap kay sihaba ko yakkay baad deegrey rafayadain kartey huye dekha.
(juzz ul rafayadain raqam 71)
kya yahaan bhi bukhari say galti hui?

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:06 AM

4. abu humaid al saidee raziallahanho.

naudhu billah yahaan kya hee fazool baat ki hai keh woh 10 sihaba rafayadain nahi kartey the. kya faqahat hai aap ki.

sihabi yeh hee kehtey hain kay kya mai nabi ki namaz tumheen parh kar na dekhaoon? is ka matlab yeh kahaan say hai keh wo rafayadain nahi kartey the.

jub keh is kay baraqas 10 kay 10 sihaba nay gawahi d keh tum such kehtey ho. yani unhu nay jo namaz parhi sahih thi.

aur aap nay sajdatain ka zikar kiya janab mai nay jo hadees paish ki hai us mai rakatain ka zikar hai.

aur yeh keh khalid girjakhi kon hai?

is waqat yeh sihaba mojood the.
SAHAL BIN SAAD AL SAIDEE
ABU USAID AL SAIDEE
ABU HURAIRA
MUHAMMAD BIN MUSALLAMA(RAZIALLAHANHUM)
(JUZZ UL RAFAYADAIN RAQAM 5)

yahaan baqi sihaba khaan hain? bukhari nay to un ka zikar tuk nahi kiya hai sama e motta par khaa pohonch gaye ho.

sam e motta yahaan kesey sabit ho gya? khair topic par raho.
aik aur topic par baat ho gee.

hadees e abu bakar raziallahanho

mai nay kaha tha behqi,ibn e hajar aur zahbi nay is hadees ko shih kaha hai.
aur refrence bhi diya.

ab sanad ki tehqeeq bhi dekh lo.
1. abu abdullah muhammad bin abdullah al zahid kay barey mai zahbi nay kaha
shaykh al imam al muhaddis al qadwah
(seyar al ilam al nabala 15/437)

behqi nay siqqa kaha hai. hakim o zahbi nay sahih al shart al shakhain keh kar in ki toseeq ki hai.
(mustadrak volume 1 page 30 h 82)

unhu nay imam abdullah bin ahmad bin hamble say al musannad ul kabeer ka sama kiya tha
(al nabala 15/437)

Muhammad bin abdullah al safaar nay abu ismail al salma say hadees suni hai
(mustadrak volume 1 h 403)

2. Muhammad bin ismail abu ismail al salma siqqa the.
(seyar ul ailaam ul nabala 13/242)

nisai,darqutni,hakim, abu bakar, alkhalal aur ibn e hibban wagera nay sahih kaha hai
(tahzeeb ul tahzeeb 9/53,54)

3. abu noman muhammad bin fazal
kutub e sitta kay markazi ravi hain
un ko abu hatim wagera nay siqqa kaha hai
zahbi nay kaha
al hafiz al sabat ul imam
(seyar al ilaam ul nabala 10/265)

aap nay kaha yeh hafaza khraab ho gya tha in ka. bilkul theek kaha aap nay ab is ka jawab suno.

hafiz zahbi nay un par ikhilaat ki baat ki aur aakhir mai kaha wo mout say pehley taghiyur ka shikaar ho gaye the. aur is halat e taghaiyur mai unhu nay koi hadees byan nahi ki.
(al kashif 3/79 t1597)

ab bolo janab unhu nay ikhilaat kay baad koi riwayat byan nahi ki.

doosrey yeh keh in kay peechey hadees kay ravi abu ismaiel al salma nay namaz parhi. kya khyaal hai jis bandey ki aqal hee zail ho gai ho jesa zahbi nay kaha. us kay peechey woh hee namaz parhta hai jis ki khud aqal zail ho gai ho. lihaza yeh riwayat ikhilaat say pehley ki hai. Alhumdulillah.

aap nay yahaan muhammad bin jabir ki baat paish ar de. aap ka muhammad bin sadosi par ilzam tub sahih hota jub yeh riwayat un kay ikhilaat say pehley ki hoti.

jubkeh yahaan mamla hee ulta hai.

Muhammad bin jabir ka aap ko khud pata hai keh wo zaeef tha to janab hadees hee kion pais ki?

aap jo bhi hadees paish kar rahey ho readers dekheen gay keh khd hee iqraar kar letey ho keh zaeef hai ALHUMDULILLAH.

yeh hadees muhammad bin jabir wali modhu hai is ko kisi aik bhi muhaddis nay sahih nahi kaha hai.

dar qutni nay kaha is hadees ko muhammad bin jabir nay byan kiya hai aur woh zaeef tha.(darqutni jild 1 page 295)

Ahmad bin hamble nay is hadees ko munkir kaha hai aur sakht mukhalifat ki hai
(kitab ul alal volume 1 raqam 701)

ibn e jozi nay modhu kaha hai
(modhuaat 2/96)

is ko 20 muhaddiseen nay zaeef wagera kaha hai.
neez yeh kehta tha abu hanifa nay meri kitab chori kar li thi.

ya to imam sahib ko chor mano ya is chor ko chor mano.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:56 AM

aur yeh hadees juzz mai aisey hai.

aap nay jo kaha hai keh iftatahi rafa yadain baad waley rafayadain say bohet buland hua tha. to janab aap hadees poori parh latey to kya tha hadees kay aakhir mai ibn e jareej nay ata bin abi ribah say poocha aap ko yeh baat pohonchi hai keh takbeer mai doosree takbeeroon ki ba nisbat ziadah buland uthaya jaye. unhu nay farmaya nahi.
(juzz ul rafa yadain raqam 28)

bukhari nay farmaya Omar bin khattab, jabir bin abdullah, abu huraira,abdullah bin umair,ibn e abbas aur abu moosa (raziallahanhum) say marvi hai unhu nay nabi sallahualihewasallam say byan kiya keh beshak aap ruku kay waqt ruku say sarr uthatey waqat rafayadain kartey the. (imam) bukhari nay kaha jo soojh boojh rakhta hai us kay liye yeh hee kafi hai jo hum nay zikar kiya hai InshALLAH.
(JUZZ ul rafayadain raqam 27)

aur hum tumheen kehtey hain chorr do zidd agar sioojh boojh rakhtey ho to. sunnat kay shadai ho jao.
taqleed ka patta utaar do.

Omer raziallahanho wali hadees.

aap nay kaha sanad ki toseeq ki jaye to janab hazir hai.
Abdullah bin qasim Molaa ABI bakar raziallahanho
Abdullah bin omar,Abdullah bin abbas,Abdullah bin zubair kay shagird hain
(tareekh ul kabeer jild 5 page 173)

ibn e hibban nay siqqa kaha hai
(kitab ul siqqat ibn e hibban 5/46)

2. abu eesa sulaiman bin kaisaan al kharasani
in say aik jamat nay hadees byan ki hai. hafiz zahbi aur ibn e hibban nay siqqa kaha hai.
(al kashif jild 3 page 321)

3.haiwah bin shareeh
sahih bukhari,sahih muslim, sunan e arb`a kay ravi siqqa hafiz abid hain(taqreeb ul tahzeeb:1600)

4. abdullah bin wahab al qarshi
sahih bukhari,wa sahih muslim wa sunan arba kay ravi hain
(taqreeb:3694)

5. hajjaj bin ibraheem
is hadees ko ibn e wahab say byan kar rahey hain.
in say aik jamat nay riwayat ki hai aur abu hatim razi nay siqqa kaha hai
(al jirah wa tadeel volume 3 page 154)

ibn e hibban aur al ajili nay bhi siqqa kaha hai.
(al siqqaat jild 8 page 203)

taqreeb ul tahzeeb mai hai siqqa fazil(118)

6. ahmad bin hasan al tirmizi
al ravi an hajaaj binibraheem sahih bukhari kay ravi hain.
siqqa hafiz(taqreeb ul tahzeeb:25)

7.abu bakar muhammad bin ishaq bin khuzaima
sahih ibn e khuzaima kay musannif aur mashoor siqqa imam balkeh shaykh ul islam hain(seyar ul ilam ul nabala jild 14 page 365 to 382)

8. abu ahmad bin hussain bin ali bin muhammad bin yahya.
khateeb nay kaha kana siqqa hujjah (tareekh baghdaad 4/74 t 4154)

9. abu abdullah al hafiz
yeh imam hakim neeshapuri hain sahib e mustadrak mashoor siqqa o sadooq imam hain

10 behqi
sunan ul kubra kay musannif hain.
ALHUMDULILLAH mai nay sanad ki tehqeeq paish kar dee hai.

Omar bin khattab raziallahanho kay rafayadain kay asbaat kay sath is kay mutadid shwahid bhi mojood hain.

aap nay jo hadees paish ki hai us ka jawab detey huye imam hakim neshapoori farmatey hain
yeh riwayat shaz hai is kay sath hujjat qaim nahi hoti, sahih ahadees mai hai Omer raziallahanho ruku say pehley aur ruku kay baad rafayadain kartey the.
ba hawala (nasb ul raya jild 1 page 405)(al badar al muneer 3/501)

ibn e jozi nay kaha yeh asar sabit nahi hai.
(tehqeeq fe ikhtilaaf al hadees jild 1 page 282 ma tanqeeh)(al badar al muneer 3/501)

imam abu zara, imam hakim aur jamhoor ki tehqeeq tahawi par muqaddam hai.

doosrey yeh keh ibrahim nakhi mudallis hain.
(tabqaat ul mudalliseen ibn ehajar page 28 raqam 35) (al mudalliseen abi za`ra ibn al iraqi 2)

aur yeh riwayat man`an hai.

allama nawawi nay kaha mudallis an kay sath riwayat karey to riwayat bil ittefaq hujjat nahi hoti.
(nasb ul raya jild 2 page 34)

aap nay jo ibn e hajar ki baat ki hai to janab ibraheem nakhi siqqa hain lekin mudallis bhi hain. ibn e hajar nai hee un ko mudallis kaha hai.

ibn e masood raziallahanho ka jawab mai pehley day chuka hun

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:58 AM

Hazrat Ali raziallahanho ki hadees

is kay sab ravi siqqa hain siwaye Abdul Rahman bin abi zanad kay woh mukhtalif feeh hai. ibn e maieen o abu hatim wagera nay zaeef kaha hai.

Malik, tirmizi aur ajili nay siqqa kaha hai. lihaza jamhoor kay nazdeek sahih hain.
zahbi nay kaha is ki hadees hasan qisam ki hadees hai. wo hasan ul hadees hai aur baaz us ko hujat samajhtey hain.
(seeyar ul ilaam ul nabala 8/168,170)

is tamam jirah wa tadeel kay muqablay mai ibn e madeeni ka qol hai.
mai nay isay suliman bin dawood al hashmi ki ahadees ko dekha hai. in ki in say ahadees muqarib hain(tareekh baghdad 229)

abdul hai lakhnawi nay muqarib ul hadees ko hasan ul hadees say pehley zikar kiya hai.(al rafa wal kameel fe jirah wa tadeel page 72)

yani yeh kalimaat toseeq mai say hain

ibn e madini ki yeh tadeel mufassir hai lihaza isay tazeef mubham par muqaddam kiya jaye ga. tadeel mufassir jirah mubhim par muqaddam hoti hai.

yaad rahey kisi bhi muhaddis nay ibn e zinad ko jub us say suliman bin dawood al hashmi riwayat karien to zaeef nahi qaraar diya. lihaza us say suliman ki tamam riwayaat ko tasleem kiya jaye ga.

aap nay jo asar paish kiya hai
is ka jawab yeh hai
sufiyan sorri nay is ka inkaar kiya hai
(juzz ul rafayadain bukhari: raqam 11)

darami nay is ko kamzore kaha hai
(moarifat al sunan wal asaar 1/550)

shafi nay isay ghair sabit kaha hai
(sunan al kubra behqi 2/81)

ahmad nay is ka inkar kiya hai
(masaail e ahmad jild 1 page 343)

bukhari nay khud is par jirah ki hai. juzz ul rafayadain raqam 11.

lihaza dono ahadees mai koi taruz nahi hai aik zaeef hai doosree hasan.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:21 AM

aap nay aakhir mai ibn e zubair ki baat paish ki hai to janab zra is ki sanad paish karien. jub keh is kay baraqas sahih sanad kay sath mai nay ravioon samait paish ki hai us mai abdullah bin zubair raziallahanho rafayadain kartey hain.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 03:43 PM

Abu humaid raziallahanho wali hadees par aik aur jawab

aur aik aur baat woh yeh keh Abu Qatadah raziallahanho

54 h mai fout hue hain Ali raziallahanho kay dorr mai nahi.

saeed bin ufair nay kaha abu qatadah raziallahanho 54 h mai fout huye
(tareekh baghdaad 1/161 t 10)

Muhammad bin abdullah bin numair nay kaha
Abu qatadah 54 h mai fout huye.
(al mo`ajam al kabeer al tabrani h 3275)

yahya bin abdullah bin bakeer
abu qatadah 54 h mai fout hue
(al moajam al kabeer al tabrani h 3274)

ibraheem bin al munzar nay kaha
54h mai fout huye
(mo`arifat al sihaba al abi naeem al subhani 2/749 h 1992)

yahya bin moieen say riwayat hai 54 h mai fout huye
kitab ul kinaa lil dolabi 1/49)

al fallas nay kaha 54h mai fout huye
(tareekh damashq ibn e asaqar)

ibn e barqi nay kaha 54h mai fout huye
hakim nay kah 54 h mai fout huye
(tareekh damashq 71/107)

tirmizi nay kaha 54 h mai fout huye.

takreeban 21 muhaddiseen kay aqwaal mai paish kar sakta hun keh wo 54 h mai fout huye. ab bhi aap na manien mai kuch nahi kar sakta sama e motta fazool mai sabit karney ki koshish ki gai hai. khair abhi is hee topic par rahien.

aur yeh keh tum refrence deney ki zahmat kum hee kartey ho. aur jo detey ho sirf book ka naam likh detey ho. poora refrence detey huye daar lagta hai kya?

aik aur daleel lo

Imam nafi kehtey hain Abdullah bin Omer raziallahanho nay umm e kulsoom bint e Ali raziallahanha ka janaza parha logoon mai abu saieed aur abu qatadah mojood the.
musannif abdul razzaq 3/465 h 6337)

ab samajh aai ya pehley wali bhi gai?

nahi aai to aik aur lo.

Ammar bin abi ammar molla haris bin nofil say riwayat hai mai nay aik orat (umm e kulsoom) aur un kay betey ka janaza parha. janaza parhnay waloon mai Abu saeed khudree,Ibn e abbas,Abu qatadah, Abu huraira raziallahanhum mojood the.
(nisai 4/71 h 1979)

jis orat ka janaza parha gya wo umm e kulsoom raziallahanha thien
(abu dawood 3193 huwa sahih bil shwahid)

wo janaza saeed bin al`###### raziallahanho nay parhaya tha (tabqaat ibn e saad 8/464)

saeed bin al`aas raziallahanho 48h say 55 h tuk iqtidaar mai rahey
tehzeeb ul sunan 2/423)

Edited by asimsweetone, 28 April 2009 - 03:51 PM.


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BRELVIA,BIDATI,MURJI,JAHMIYA KAY FAZOOL TAREEN JAWABAAT KA JAWAB.

1. MUSNAD AHMAD ki jo hadees hai us mai namaz ka khaan zikar hai? aur agar aisee baat hai to nabi sallahualihewasallam aur sihaba ko kya kaho gay. jo namaz sirf takbeer say hee shuroo kartey the.

aur aaj kay naam nihad ahl e sunnat(bidati) kehtey hain 4 rakat namaz farz peechay imam kay wastey sawab kay ALLAH U AKBAR.??? is hadees mai khaan hain yeh alfaaz bidati sahab? kisi aik sihabi ya hadees say yeh alfaaz nahi dekha saktey tum.

2. Jahmi sahab nay kaha hai keh wo (ismaeel dahalwi) 3 ya 4 ko kalam e hidayat manta hai. yahaan mai phir kehta hun meri baat ka jawab abhi tuk nahi aaya taveel kartey ja rahey ho. mai nay kaha hai keh us ki apni ibarat dekhao phir to hum say jawab talab karo. Abdul hai lakhnawi hanafi ki ibaraat hum par paish nahi ki ja saktien.

3. Tasawwur e rasool ko Ahle sunnat nay nahi Abdul hai lakhnawi hanafi nay namaz shikan likha hai. hum nay nahi. lihaza ilzam batil hai. yeh to aisee hee baat hai Qatal koi karey saza kisi ko milay?? hum to kehtey hain aisee ibarat likhna sahi nahi hai ALHUMDULILLAH. fatwa abdul hai lakhnawi hanafi par laga hum par nahi.

aur Tasawwur e Rasool Sallahu alihewasallam ka namaz mai aana namaz kay batil bannaney ka sabab nahi hai.

han agar wo itna kho jaye keh ALLAH ko bhool kar Nabi ki ibadat shuroo ho jaye tub to brelviah jahmiya murjiya kay nazdeeq bhi namaz fasid ho jaye gee. sahih hai ya nahi?

4. Ashbah wa nazair ki baat ka ab bhi defend kar raha hai raza khani. Point to be noted. Orat ki Farj ko shahwat say dekhey ga to namaz nahi tootey gee aur Quran ko parhney say ya us kay Safha palatney say toot jaye gee.

bat raza khani ko samajh nahi aati meri. mai keh raha hun keh Quran kay sath kay Orat ki farj ka zikar karna sahih hai? khaan ki faqahat hai yeh? kya Quran ka Nauzubillah hanafiya nay itna muqam gira diya hai keh nauzubillah(ALLAH MOAAF KAREY MAI SIRF LOGOON ko Brelviya ki haqeeqat batana chahta hun) Orat ki farj hee reh gai thi milanay kay liye aur woh bhi shahwat kay sath?

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 11:55 AM

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5. mai nay kaha tha refrence nahi diye. aur kaha tha keh mai apney liye aur logoon ki asani kay lie mang raha hun takeh pata lag jaye. lekin ab bhi wo apni poorani aadat par qaim hain.

khair....

mai nay ibn e Omar raziallahanho ki hadees ki tafseer imam tirmidhi say arabi ibarat samait aur tarjuma kay sath paish kar d hai. jo yeh parh raha hai us ko samajh lag jaye gee aaj kay molvi ki ya imam tirmizi,shafi,sori etc wagera ki.
dobarah parho usay.



‏قال ‏ ‏وفي ‏ ‏الباب ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن مسعود ‏ ‏وجابر ‏ ‏وعائشة ‏ ‏وابن عباس ‏ ‏وأبي هريرة ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏أبو عيسى ‏ ‏حديث ‏ ‏ابن عمر ‏ ‏حديث حسن صحيح ‏ ‏والعمل عليه عند بعض أهل العلم من ‏ ‏أصحاب النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏وغيرهم وهو قول ‏ ‏سفيان ‏ ‏والشافعي ‏ ‏وأحمد ‏ ‏وإسحق ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏الشافعي ‏ ‏وإن زاد في التلبية شيئا من تعظيم الله فلا بأس إن شاء الله وأحب إلي أن يقتصر على تلبية رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏الشافعي ‏ ‏وإنما قلنا لا بأس بزيادة تعظيم الله فيها لما جاء عن ‏ ‏ابن عمر ‏ ‏وهو حفظ التلبية عن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ثم زاد ‏ ‏ابن عمر ‏ ‏في تلبيته من قبله لبيك ‏ ‏والرغباء ‏ ‏إليك والعمل
tirmizi,al hajj, maja fe talbiyah
translation:
abu eesa nay kaha is baab mai ibn e masood, jabir,aisha,ibn e abbas aur abu huraira raziallahanhum sai bhi riwayat hai. aur ibn e omar raziallahanho ki hadees hasan sahih hai. aur isi par ullema sihaba aur deegar ullema ka amal hai. aur yeh sufiyan,shafi,ahmad o ishaq ka qol hai. shafi kehtey hain agar ALLAH ki tazeem mai izafa karey to koi mazaiqa nahi. jubkeh merey nazdeek behter yeh hee hai keh itna hee parhey jitna keh aap sallahualihewasallam say sabit hai. is mai ziadti karney mai is liye koi harj nahi kion keh ibn e omer raziallahanho Huzoor sallahu alihewasallam kay talbiya kay hafiz the. phir bhi is mai apni taraf say ziadti ki. chunancha yeh amal is kay liye jawaz par dalalut karta hai.(end of translation)

Ibn e omar raziallahanho par keechar tum nay uchala hai hum nay nahi. tum nay iBN E OMAR RAZIALLAHANHO KI Hadees kay barey mai poocha tha keh wo bidat thi ya nahi. sihabi ko aisey alqaab say pukartey ho. sharam aani chahiye tumheen. khair kesey aaye jo Quran ko Orat ki farj say milaye us ki aqal zaail ho chuki hai.

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 01:56 PM

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6. Bidati Jahmi nay mujh par ilzam lagaya hai keh mai nay Abdullah bin Masood raziallahanho par nauzubillah ilzam lagaya hai.

alfaaz note karo un kay.

‏حدثنا ‏ ‏أبو نعيم ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سيف ‏ ‏قال سمعت ‏ ‏مجاهدا ‏ ‏يقول حدثني ‏ ‏عبد الله بن سخبرة أبو معمر ‏ ‏قال سمعت ‏ ‏ابن مسعود ‏ ‏يقول ‏
‏علمني رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏وكفي بين كفيه التشهد كما يعلمني السورة من القرآن ‏ ‏التحيات لله والصلوات والطيبات السلام عليك أيها النبي ورحمة الله وبركاته السلام علينا وعلى عباد الله الصالحين أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن ‏ ‏محمدا ‏ ‏عبده ورسوله وهو بين ظهرانينا فلما قبض قلنا السلام ‏ ‏يعني على النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم
Bukhari al istezaan al ikhaz bil yadain
bukhari ijazat leney ka byan 6265

Abdullah bin masood raziallahanho farmatey hain. Rasool sallahu alihewasallam nay mujhai tashahud sikhaya. us waqat mera hath huzoor sallahualihewasallam ki hathelioon kay darmiaan mai tha (is tarha sikhaya) jis tarhaan aap Quran ki soorat sikhaya kartey the. ‏التحيات لله والصلوات والطيبات السلام عليك أيها النبي ورحمة الله وبركاته السلام علينا وعلى عباد الله الصالحين أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن ‏ ‏محمدا ‏ ‏عبده ورسوله
aap sallahu alihewasallam us waqat hiyaat the. jub aap ki wafaat ho gai to hum is tarhaan parhney lagey nabi par salam ho.
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raza khani nay ilzam lagaya hai keh wo bus salam parhtey the. janab e wala salam detey the lekin wo Namaz mai is tarhaan kehtey the na keh alehda say. agar aisee baat hai to pehley attahiyaat ka zikar kion kiya. agar nahi manta to yeh lo Abdullah bin Omer raziallahanho ki hadees say samajh lag jaye gee.

Inshallah.



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Posted 17 May 2009 - 03:34 PM

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حدثني ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مالك ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏نافع ‏ ‏أن ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عمر ‏
‏كان يتشهد ‏ ‏فيقول ‏ ‏بسم الله التحيات لله الصلوات لله الزاكيات لله السلام على النبي ورحمة الله وبركاته السلام علينا وعلى عباد الله الصالحين شهدت أن لا إله إلا الله شهدت أن ‏ ‏محمدا ‏ ‏رسول الله يقول هذا في الركعتين الأوليين ويدعو إذا قضى تشهده بما بدا له فإذا جلس في آخر صلاته تشهد كذلك أيضا إلا أنه يقدم التشهد ثم يدعو بما بدا له فإذا قضى تشهده وأراد أن يسلم قال السلام على النبي ورحمة الله وبركاته السلام علينا وعلى عباد الله الصالحين السلام عليكم عن يمينه ثم يرد على الإمام فإن سلم عليه أحد عن يساره رد عليه ‏
‏موطأ مالك‏ ‏النداء للصلاة‏
‏التشهد في الصلاة

abdullah bin omar raziallahanho tashahud is tarhaan kehtey the. ‏بسم الله التحيات لله الصلوات لله الزاكيات لله السلام على النبي ورحمة الله وبركاته السلام علينا وعلى عباد الله الصالحين شهدت أن لا إله إلا الله شهدت أن ‏ ‏محمدا ‏ ‏رسول الله

shayed keh tumheen samajh aa jaye meri baat. ab kya karo gay ab to Abdullah bin masood raziallahanho kay ilawah abdullah bin omar raziallahanho bhi aa gaye? jhootey daway aur qiyaas ka koi faidah nahi hai razakhani sahab.

Hamarey nazdeeq afzal Assalamu alika hai aur agar koi assalamu allanabiyo kahey woh bhi theek hai. ALHUMDULILLAH

7. kaha gya hai keh salat ur rasool ka jawab na aaya. janab e wala mai nay to hadees paish ki thi jawab mai.
salat ur rasool mai aisey hai.
AAP SALLAHU alihewasallam nay sarr ka masah kiya. dono hath sarr kay pichlay hissa say shuroo kar kay guddee tuk peechey lay gaye. phir peechay say aagay us hee jagha lay aaye jhaan say shuroo kiya tha.
Bukhari kitab al wudhu baab masah al r`as` 185

aur Alhum dulillah hum bilkul aisey hee masah kartey hain. lekin aap ki tarhaan nahi.ap gardan ko dono hathoon kay pichlay hissay say masah kartey ho. hadees mai aisa kuch nahi. aap loge gardan ka alag say masah kartey ho.

yahaan aik khiyanat mai readers ko bata dun adhi baat kartey ho adhi kha gaye ho. meetha meetha hup hup korra korra thu thu. kion na karo gay jub hadees bhi adhi adhi quote kartey ho ye to phir ummati ka qol hai. salat ur rasool mai wuzu ki mukamal tarteeb mai hai
(Gardan kay masah ka ahadees mai kaheen zikar nahi aaya. aur ooper aap parh chukay hain keh sarr ka masah kartey waqat huzoor sallahu alihewasallam apnay hathoon ko guddi tuk lay jatey the. aur guddi sar ka pichla hissa hota hai jis mai kuch gardan bhi aa jati hai).

yeh hai wo ibarat jis ko bidati jahmi murji nay apnay mullanoon ki tarhaan adha quote kiya hai. nazreen khud dekhien aur faisala karien.

is say kya nikalta hai? yeh to hadees mai bhi hai. ikhtilaaf to gardan ka alehda say masah ka hai ya gardan ka masah nabi nay na kiya hai aur na hee koi sahih hadees hai. hamara amal sahih ahadees par hee hai. Alhumdulillah Modhu o zaeef ahadees razakhanioon bidatioon murjion jahmioon ko mubarak hoon.






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Posted 17 May 2009 - 04:51 PM

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8. Musnad e ahmad ka poora hawala do neez us ki sanad bhi paish karo. doosrey yeh keh yahaan tum nay qazaal ka matlab gardan ka pichla nichla hissa khaan say kar diya is ka matlab to guddi, sar ka pichla hissa hai(misbah ul lughat page 637 maqtaba quddusiya asha`at 1999)

9. gardan ka masah alehda say to mai mana hee nahi janab mai abhi bhi us hee hadees par amal karta hun. jis mai sarr kay aglay hissa say guddi tuk aur wahaan say phir aagay sarr tuk jahaan say shuroo kiya tha. ALHUMDULILLAH.

10. amama ki ahadees.

Nabi sallahu alihewasallam nay amama par masah kiya. is kay baraqas hidaya mai likha hai amama par masah karna jaiz nahi hai (hidaya jild 1 safa 44)

tum nay kaha sarr kay chothai hissa ka masah karna farz sabit hua??

yeh kesa istadlaal hai. amama wali riwayat us kay sath hee makhsoos hai. kion taveel kartey ho ahadees ki baaz aa jao. jahmiyoo baaz aa jao.

jub nabi nay amama ya pagree kay bagair masah kiya to us ka tareeqa alehda hai aur jub amama smait kiya to us ka alehda hai.
tumhara mazhab hee taveelaat par mabni hai.

aik taraf pagree par masah nahi mantey doosree taraf......... khair hum kya kaheen. kya kehney bidatioon kay.

bus firqoon mai bantna aata hai aur kuch nahi. refrence poora diya karo bidati gee. neez yeh keh topic par raho idher udher bhagney ki koshish na karo.

11. fazool behes ki hai koi faidah nahi. Sanad sahih aur matan zaeef ka koi refrence to do. ho sakta hai kisi nay kaha bhi ho. jo merey ilam mai na ho mai koi nauzubillah ilm e ghaib janta hun kya? khair yeh topic ka hissa nahi hai.

12. khud to taqleed ka patta galay mai dala hee hai. humien bhi andar ghaseet rahey ho? hamara to mazhab hee yeh hai jo cheeze Quran o Sunnat say sabit nahi us ko na manien. jub orat ki imamut sabit hee nahi mardoon ko to kesey maan lien jahmi jee? hum par kya zabardasti kar rahey ho?

13. fazool ki behes mai ulajh rahey ho. mai phir kehta hun hum abu hanifa rahimullah ki baat Quran o snnat kay khilaaf nahi matey to yeh loge to baad ki baat hai?. tum apni jahiliyat ka saboot day rahey ho.

Deen mai jo cheeze Quran o sunnat o hadees say sabit hai wo mano jo nahi wo na mano. simple c baat bidatioon ko samajh nahi aati.

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 05:12 PM

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14. naimuwi hanafi ki konsi baat pehli hai konsi baad ki yeh sabit karo. doosrey yeh keh us nay khud hee qalabaziaan khatey huye us ko ghair mahfooz kaha hai. aur agar sahih kaha bhi hai to us ki kya daleel hai.

us kay bar aqas mai nay kaha tha

aur yeh keh yeh riwayat musannif ibn e abi shaiba mai is sanad say hai
haddasana wakee an moosa bin nomair an alqama bin wail bin hujar an abeeh(ibn e abi shaiba page 390 jild 1)

aur yeh hee riwayat ahmad bin hamble nay imam wakee nay brah e rast is sanad say naqal ki hai magar us mai tahtul surrah kay alfaaz nahi hain(musnad ahmad volume 4 page 316)

aur yeh hee riwayat imam darqutni nay imam wakee kay shagird yusuf bin moosa kay wasta say zikar ki hai magar us mai bhi yeh izafa nahi hai.(darqutni jild 1 page 286)

imam behqi nay sana abu naeem sana moosa bin umair kay tareeq say riwayat kiya hai magar us mai bhi tahtul surrah kay alfaaz mojood nahi hain(behqi volume 2 page 28)

agar aap ab bhi na manie to yeh aap ki zid hai. agar tahtul surrah kay lafz the to un mai bhi hona chahiyeen the.
batao ab wo izafa hai ya nahi?
16. ab koi hadees sey jawab na mila to typing ki ghaltiyaan pakarna shuroo kar deen.

15. hiyat sindhi ko aap nay muhammad bin abdul wahab ka ustad mana Alhumdulillah. aap nay aaj maan liya muhammad bin abdul wahaab say pehley bhi ahl e sunnat mojood the. warna aaj tuk yeh hee kaha jata raha keh ahl e hadees wahabi hain aur wahabi in ko muhammad bin abdul wahaab ki pairwi ki wajha say mila(jo bilkul ghalat hai)





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