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#1 sudes_102

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 02:42 PM

Jahil Dyobani tum kehte ho k ham Angrez k door mey peda hoye,

Ye lo zara check karo hamary history ye tumhare moo par aik zor-dar tamancha hey,


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Agar tumhare dil may torra sa bhi imaan hey tu tumhe yaqeen aa gya ho ga k sirf ham he haq par hen aur ham Kher-ul-Qaroon yani nabi (saw) k zamane se mojod hen.

Munafiqoon Angrez k Door may tu tum log peda hoye ho mughe batao tu sahi k Dyoband madrisse se pehle kis ne dybandiyun ka naam sunna tha????? :lol:

May ne apni pichli post may tum se kuch sawalaat poche the aur kuch proofs bhi pesh kie the lakin tum ne kisi aik ka bhi jawab nahi dia aur dete bhi kese tumhare paas koi jawab ho ga tu do ge na jahil Dyobandioon........!

Aur lagta hay tum ne abb bhi Sudes shab ki vidio nahi dekhi esi liye aisy jahilaan baten kar rahe hoo?

Haqeeqat sirf yahi hey k tum log hamare aur ulma-e-saudi arab k nazdeek nari,mushrik aur bidati hoo, Allah tumhe hadayet dey (Amen)



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Posted 22 March 2009 - 12:49 AM

(salam)

Ahlehadis us mubarak groh ka naam jinho nay ahadis ki hafazat tadween tarweej mai apni zindagi sarf kar dee. wahabi ghair muqallid najdi us mubarak jamat ka naam apnay ooper chaspa'n kar kay bazaum e khud ahle hadis ban bhaithay.
najdiyo tum ahle hadis nahee tum wahabi ho chahay kisi chadar mai chup jao sunni foran phaichan laita hai Alhamdulillah.. ugar tumharay nazdeek ulamae salaf jin ka zikar baray fakhar say kar rahay ho sab ahle hadis thay tu apnay Aqido ko Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani , Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal aur deegar raziallahanhum say muwazana kar lu wahabi najdi jo khud ko ahlehadis sabit karnay mai tulay hain aisa ahlehadis na koi hadis ka imam guzra hai na fiqah ka imam..

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 01:54 AM

Deobandi baicharay kahee kay na rahay jin pay takya tha wohi pattay hawa dainay lagay wahabio aapas mai uljho na tum naam koi bhe rakh lu salafi ahlehadis deobandi jamatulmuslimeen jamaeislami waghaira tum sab ho aaik aur tumhari asal bhee aik Najd.

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 10:08 AM

(salam)

Ahlehadis us mubarak groh ka naam jinho nay ahadis ki hafazat tadween tarweej mai apni zindagi sarf kar dee. wahabi ghair muqallid najdi us mubarak jamat ka naam apnay ooper chaspa'n kar kay bazaum e khud ahle hadis ban bhaithay.

najdiyo tum ahle hadis nahee tum wahabi ho chahay kisi chadar mai chup jao sunni foran phaichan laita hai Alhamdulillah.. ugar tumharay nazdeek ulamae salaf jin ka zikar baray fakhar say kar rahay ho sab ahle hadis thay tu apnay Aqido ko Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani , Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal aur deegar raziallahanhum say muwazana kar lu wahabi najdi jo khud ko ahlehadis sabit karnay mai tulay hain aisa ahlehadis na koi hadis ka imam guzra hai na fiqah ka imam..


********tum kehte ho k Ahle Hadith se murad sirf Muhadiseen hen, tu ****** ham muhadesseen k mazhab par hi tu hen hame muhadiseen ki tarah jo bhi sahi hadees mill jaye ham foran uss par ammal karte hen ******** ki tarah ye nahi dekhte k wo hadees abu hanifa k qool k mutabiq hey ya nahi ku k abu hanifa ka apna qool mohod hey k "sahi hadis mera mazhab hey" aur "tumhe sahi hadees k khilaaf mera jo qool bhi mille ose diwar par maar do aur hadees par ammal karo" lakin tum bidati abu-hanifa ki oss tarah taqleed karte ho jese nabi (saw) ki karni chahye thi,

mere paas itna fazool time nahi k tumhare molviuoon ki wah'yaat books parhta phiroon, ham shiekh jilani aur dosre salf salheen k mazhab tum se behtar jante hen zara aik baar Ghaniya tul Talebeen parho oss mey onho ne tum hanfioon ko 72 jahanami firqoon mey shamil kia hey aur Najia firqe k bare mey kehte hen k wo Ahl-e-Sunnat hen aur ahle-sunnat ka aik hi nam hey "Ahle_hadith" aur age ja kar likhte hen k ahle bidat ki ye nishani hey k wo ahle hadith ko olte sidhe naam rakhte he ..........

yaqeen nahi ata tu aik baar khod ghaniya tul talebeen parh lo......

Tum ************* ne tu ahle sunnat ka naam he badnaam kar dia hey dunya jhan ke gande aqeede rakhte ho aur apne aap ko ahle sunnat kehte ho , ************...

Ahle sunnat tu sirf Ahle Hadith he hen aur baqi sab nari aur bidati hen.....

Zara check karoo ************** ko Ulma e Ahle Hadith k hathoon rawalpindi mey Shikaste fash.....!

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Ainda kisi Salafi se panga lene ki ghalti na karna warna iss se bhi ziada gandi karoon ga,

MIND IT ******* "************"

Edited by Ya Mohammadah, 22 March 2009 - 09:45 PM.
Dubara aapny yahan apni sites ka advt. kiya to aapky khilaaf action liya jayega. Insha Allah. aapny post edit ka ilzaam lagaya mene usy ab is post me sach kar dikhaya . ainda tehzeeb ke dairy me reh kar guftgu karein to aapky liye behtar hai.


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Posted 22 March 2009 - 03:13 PM

Bhoot khoob moderator bhai.......!


Khod tu sare aam ahle-haq ko "Bad-Mazhab" kehte ho aur jab aap k khilaaf koi sachi baat keh dey tu uss bechare ki post edit kar dete ho....

Aree himmat hey tu ilmi medan mey ham se muqabla karo aisy bhonddi harkatoon ka kya faieda...

Aur aap ki itllaa ke liye arz hey k internet par sirf aik aap ka hi forum nahi hey , aap ne jo action lena hay le lo, ham Inshallah har forum par dhoke baz raza khanion ki asliat logon ko bataen gey,

Iss forum par jitne bhi saleem ul firat log mojod hen wo sab aap ki iss doghle policy se waqif ho chukke hoon ge,

Aap ko chahye k iss forum ko join karne wale har user ko pehle hi bata den k YE Forum sirf Raza Khanion k liye hey......

Omeed hey aap next time logon ko dono taraf ka point of view dekhne se nahi roken ge aur hame bhi apna point of view pesh karne ka pora moqqa den ge.

Aur so called ahle sunnat bhai afsoos k aap ko mey iss forum par oss debate ka link nahi bhej sakoon ga waisay ye mera no hey +00000000000 aap mugh se rabta karo mey aap ko oss debate ka link send kar doon ga....! fi-aman:

Edited by Ya Mohammadah, 22 March 2009 - 09:35 PM.
forum par apna email adrs ya tele no. share karna mana hai.


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Posted 22 March 2009 - 11:00 PM

********tum kehte ho k Ahle Hadith se murad sirf Muhadiseen hen, tu ****** ham muhadesseen k mazhab par hi tu hen hame muhadiseen ki tarah jo bhi sahi hadees mill jaye ham foran uss par ammal karte hen ******** ki tarah ye nahi dekhte k wo hadees abu hanifa k qool k mutabiq hey ya nahi ku k abu hanifa ka apna qool mohod hey k "sahi hadis mera mazhab hey" aur "tumhe sahi hadees k khilaaf mera jo qool bhi mille ose diwar par maar do aur hadees par ammal karo" lakin tum bidati abu-hanifa ki oss tarah taqleed karte ho jese nabi (saw) ki karni chahye thi,


Ahle Hadith Laqab ka Registration by Angrez (Tareekhi Dustawaez) GM ki liye Dusta-wer B)


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aap Muhaddiseen ke mazhab par hein...muhaddiseen to GM nahin thy wo muhaddis ho kar bhi ijtehaad na kar saky aap to unsy bhi 2 haath aagy barh kar mujtahid ki mansab par faaiz hona chahty hain or Bahana banaty hain muhaddiseen ke mazhab par qayam ho kar Ahle Hadith banny ka..Ahle hadith koi firqa nahin tha na hi iska saboot quran or hadith se aap sabit kar payengy ki isy najiya firqa kaha gaya haan Ahle hadit ko kheench taan karky taweel or towjeeyo se Ahle Sunnat wal Jamat par zaroor qayas karengy...par Ahle Hadith naam ka naji firqa Quran or Hadith se nahin sabit kar payengy (ia)

Ahle Hadith fanni Aitbaar se na ki Maslakan

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kya Muhaddiseen GM ki tarah Ghair Muqallid thy ya Muqallid ? Ahle Hadith ka saboot Quran or Sunnat se lao Agar waqai aapka minhaaj Sirf or sirf Quran or Sunnat hai?

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Agar aap waqai Ahle hadith hain to batayie ?

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mere paas itna fazool time nahi k tumhare molviuoon ki wah'yaat books parhta phiroon, ham shiekh jilani aur dosre salf salheen k mazhab tum se behtar jante hen zara aik baar Ghaniya tul Talebeen parho oss mey onho ne tum hanfioon ko 72 jahanami firqoon mey shamil kia hey aur Najia firqe k bare mey kehte hen k wo Ahl-e-Sunnat hen aur ahle-sunnat ka aik hi nam hey "Ahle_hadith" aur age ja kar likhte hen k ahle bidat ki ye nishani hey k wo ahle hadith ko olte sidhe naam rakhte he ..........


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Waqai aap ke paas bohot fizul time hai lambi lambi hankny ke liye warna agar aapny Ghuniyatul Taliben zaroor poori parhi hoti to kuch or hi rang hota aapka kher ab aab jawab dein ki...
  • kya ye book waqai aap jasiy GMs ke liye hujjat ban sakti hai?
  • kya ye book Quran ya sunnat hai? (Jaisa aapki Jamat ka dawa hai bus or bus Quran-Sunnat baqi sab bakwas)
  • kya ismy bayan kiye gaya tamaam mamlaat or aqaid par aapka imaan hai?
  • kya aap isky tamam masail se ittefaaq karty hain?
ummed hai aap agli post me gali galoch ke bajaye kuch kaam ki batein likhengy or humary tamam sawaalaat ke jawabaat dene ki himmat or zehmat kar payengy.

Tum ************* ne tu ahle sunnat ka naam he badnaam kar dia hey dunya jhan ke gande aqeede rakhte ho aur apne aap ko ahle sunnat kehte ho , ************...

Ahle sunnat tu sirf Ahle Hadith he hen aur baqi sab nari aur bidati hen.....


Hawala dein Quran or Sunnat se...

IBLEES Ke farzand ka naam bhi Hadith hai...aisa me nahin kehta aapki paish ki hui Ghuniyatul Taliben me hi hai...Kahin wo aapsy to nahin ? Ahle Hadith ??

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Zara check karoo ************** ko Ulma e Ahle Hadith k hathoon rawalpindi mey Shikaste fash.....!


ji haan humny chk bhi ki or isi video me aapky hi saathi ka touba karky GMs ko gustakhe Rasool or phir Ahle Sunnat wala Jamat me shamil hona bhi dekha..kya apny nahin dekha? B) nahin dekha to ab dekh lein...shayd aap bhi iman le aayein.. (ia)


Ainda kisi Salafi se panga lene ki ghalti na karna warna iss se bhi ziada gandi karoon ga,

MIND IT ******* "************"


waqai mind kar liya Janab (ma)

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 12:12 AM

Jahil Dyobani tum kehte ho k ham Angrez k door mey peda hoye,

Ye lo zara check karo hamary history ye tumhare moo par aik zor-dar tamancha hey,


Agar tumhare dil may torra sa bhi imaan hey tu tumhe yaqeen aa gya ho ga k sirf ham he haq par hen aur ham Kher-ul-Qaroon yani nabi (saw) k zamane se mojod hen.

Munafiqoon Angrez k Door may tu tum log peda hoye ho mughe batao tu sahi k Dyoband madrisse se pehle kis ne dybandiyun ka naam sunna tha????? :lol:

May ne apni pichli post may tum se kuch sawalaat poche the aur kuch proofs bhi pesh kie the lakin tum ne kisi aik ka bhi jawab nahi dia aur dete bhi kese tumhare paas koi jawab ho ga tu do ge na jahil Dyobandioon........!

Aur lagta hay tum ne abb bhi Sudes shab ki vidio nahi dekhi esi liye aisy jahilaan baten kar rahe hoo?

Haqeeqat sirf yahi hey k tum log hamare aur ulma-e-saudi arab k nazdeek nari,mushrik aur bidati hoo, Allah tumhe hadayet dey (Amen)

lol. wah reh GM. tum log to yeh sabit nahi ker paye ke ghier mukalid mukalid ka tarana gate ho khud phans jate he dhoghla pan choro . aur yhe kahani aap khud suna ker kush rehna aap ko to essy jotte pherieh hien ke dinme tare nazer agaye hine. izzet isse me he . aaj tak yeh jawab nahi milla ke masjidon me bth ker galiyan dena jaiez he . jo aap ke mulla kerte hien . loll

jhoot se baaz raho abhi tak ahlehadithon ke history ka pata nahi dil ko behla liya ke hadith ko manne waly ahle hadith the. lol.
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Posted 23 March 2009 - 12:23 AM

Deobandi baicharay kahee kay na rahay jin pay takya tha wohi pattay hawa dainay lagay wahabio aapas mai uljho na tum naam koi bhe rakh lu salafi ahlehadis deobandi jamatulmuslimeen jamaeislami waghaira tum sab ho aaik aur tumhari asal bhee aik Najd.


lol
tabhi kehte hien ke jis ka pata na ho nbona nahi chayeh. pehle yeh saboot lao pane molvi se ke deoaband aur ahllihadith iek he hien phir baat kerna . aur yeh aap ko pata hona chayeh ke GM takleed nahi kerete woh tehkeeq me qadiyani or perweizy hotty hien un ko humari suf me shamil na karo. aur hawa me batien chornese kauch nhai hota ok

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 06:46 AM

lol
tabhi kehte hien ke jis ka pata na ho nbona nahi chayeh. pehle yeh saboot lao pane molvi se ke deoaband aur ahllihadith iek he hien phir baat kerna . aur yeh aap ko pata hona chayeh ke GM takleed nahi kerete woh tehkeeq me qadiyani or perweizy hotty hien un ko humari suf me shamil na karo. aur hawa me batien chornese kauch nhai hota ok


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Posted 23 March 2009 - 07:13 AM

********tum kehte ho k Ahle Hadith se murad sirf Muhadiseen hen, tu ****** ham muhadesseen k mazhab par hi tu hen hame muhadiseen ki tarah jo bhi sahi hadees mill jaye ham foran uss par ammal karte hen ******** ki tarah ye nahi dekhte k wo hadees abu hanifa k qool k mutabiq hey ya nahi ku k abu hanifa ka apna qool mohod hey k "sahi hadis mera mazhab hey" aur "tumhe sahi hadees k khilaaf mera jo qool bhi mille ose diwar par maar do aur hadees par ammal karo" lakin tum bidati abu-hanifa ki oss tarah taqleed karte ho jese nabi (saw) ki karni chahye thi,

mere paas itna fazool time nahi k tumhare molviuoon ki wah'yaat books parhta phiroon, ham shiekh jilani aur dosre salf salheen k mazhab tum se behtar jante hen zara aik baar Ghaniya tul Talebeen parho oss mey onho ne tum hanfioon ko 72 jahanami firqoon mey shamil kia hey aur Najia firqe k bare mey kehte hen k wo Ahl-e-Sunnat hen aur ahle-sunnat ka aik hi nam hey "Ahle_hadith" aur age ja kar likhte hen k ahle bidat ki ye nishani hey k wo ahle hadith ko olte sidhe naam rakhte he ..........

yaqeen nahi ata tu aik baar khod ghaniya tul talebeen parh lo......

Tum ************* ne tu ahle sunnat ka naam he badnaam kar dia hey dunya jhan ke gande aqeede rakhte ho aur apne aap ko ahle sunnat kehte ho , ************...

Ahle sunnat tu sirf Ahle Hadith he hen aur baqi sab nari aur bidati hen.....

Zara check karoo ************** ko Ulma e Ahle Hadith k hathoon rawalpindi mey Shikaste fash.....!

www. ****************

Ainda kisi Salafi se panga lene ki ghalti na karna warna iss se bhi ziada gandi karoon ga,

MIND IT ******* "************"


Ghaus e Azam raziAllah hoon ya koi bhee dosra Wali Mujaddid Muhaddis Faqeeh sab kay sab Muqallid guzray hain.

Najd kay Qarn e Shaitan ho naam koi bhe rakh lu sulfi ban jao ya ahlehadas sunni aapko achi tarah phaichan lai gain inshaAllah aap sirf Wahabi ho aur apka Salaf Shaitan aur Abdullah ibne Ubai hai ibne Abdul Wahab hai.

baki aap nay jo khurafat aur mughallazat baki hain tu yei hota hai aainay mai apni ganji najdi shakal daikh kar aap ko ghussa aagaya Gali aur goli kay siwa koi jawab ho tu bataiay ga..

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 03:51 PM

Aap sey issi ki tawaqa ki jaa sakti thi...

Are bhai pehle ye tu batao ke iss article se aap sabit kya karna chahte the,

Ye k Ahle-e-Hadith Angrez ke door mey peda hoye...???

Tu bhai mey ye baat proof kar chukka hoon k ahle hadith Kher-ul-Qaroon sey mojod hen aur aap ki apni kutab-e-Fiqa i.e Hadaya, Qadoori aur Durre Mukhtar Waghera iss ki gawah hen jis mey kai jagga hamara zikar mojod hey, yaqenan ye books tu angrez k door mey nahi likhi gai hen

aap ney kha ke sheikh jilani ne jis ahle hadith groh ko najia kha hey oss se muhadiseen murad hen tu iss ka kya matlab hey Tum bhi Jhanami aur ham bhi jhanami????????? are nahi bhai ahle hadith se murad wo log hen jo kisi ommati imam ki andhi taqleed nahi karte balke direct nabi (saw) ki taqleed karte hen....

jis kisi ne bhi ye article likha oss ne historical hypocracy ka saboot dete hoye sheikh jilani ki wo ibaaraat ignore kar deen jis mey onho ney tum hanafion ka naam le kar tumhe 72 jhanami firqoon mey shamil kia hey aur hamay najia kha hey aur najia sey murad Gher Muqalid hen tum jese andhe muqalid nahi....

Afsoos meray final year ke exams start hone wale hen iss liye mere paas ziyada time nahi warna mey Ghaniya tul Taleeben k pages scan karwa kar yhan post karta ku k tum ne jitni ibartoon ka hawala diya hey wo sab out of context uthai gye hen context k andar inn ka wo matlab nahi jo tum ne sabit karne ki koshish ki hey, lo zara abb apni history bhi dekh lo

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 03:57 PM

Some Ghali Muta’asib Ahnaf of Indo-Pak claim that the Ahlul Hadith of their country are a new sect, having no precedent, are created by British, and many other lies.



Now either these people are extremely ignorant or great liars who want to deceive laymen.



The term Ahlul Hadith is not only used for scholars of Hadith and Imams of Jarh and Ta’dil, and about a school of creed, but also for a group of scholars who had different rules from the Ahlur-Ray Ahnaf on the role of Khabar Ahad compared to the Holy Quran, Qias, and others.





Imam At-Tirmidhi’s use of the words of Ahlul Hadith



Now the term Ahlul Hadith has been used many times by Imam At-Tirmidhi in his Sunnan. It has used a lot about narrators and knowledge of Jarh and Ta’dil. Like on the tenth Hadith, Imam At-Tirmidhi said: “Ibn La’ihah is weak according to Ahlul Hadith. Yahya ibn Qattan and others weakened him because of his memory.” And this expression is used in great quatity: This narrator is Thiqah for Ahlul Hadith, this one is weak, this Hadith is weak for Ahlul Hadith.



Secondly, Imam At-Tirmidhi also used the term “Ahlul Hadith” to show the creed of the Salaf. Imam At-Tirmidhi narrated in the chapter: “What is narrated about the Khulud (staying forever) of people of Paradise and Hell” a Hadith mentioning the vision of Allah and Allah putting His foot in the hell, and them Imam Tirmidhi wrote:



“This Hadith is Hassan Sahih, and it has been reported from the Prophet (saw) a lot of narrations similar to this mentioning the topic of the vision of Allah, that people will see Allah, and the mention of the Foot and matters similar, and the Madhab of people of knowledge from Imams like Sufyan Ath-Thawri, Malik ibn Anas, ibn Al-Mubarak, ibn ‘Uyaynah, Waki’ and others is that they mention these matters and they say: “These Ahadith are narrated, and we believe in them and it is not said “How?” and this is what is chosen by Ahlul Hadith, that these matters should be narrated as they came, and there should be belief in them, and there should not be any Tafsir (other than literal meaning) and one should not cast any doubt, and it should not be asked: “How?”

So here Ahlul Hadith refer to the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah as explained by Imam At-Tirmidhi in his “Sunnan” in the chapters related to Zakat, “« Bab ma Jaa fi Fadl Sadaqah“ (What is narrated about the virtues of Zakat):

“More than one person of knowledge said on this Hadith and similar narrations about the Attributes, the Nuzul of the Lord (Tabarakka wa Ta’ala) every night towards the heaven of this world, they said: These narrations are established, and we should believe in them and not have any doubt, and not say: “How” and this is narrated from Malik, Sufiyan ibn ‘Uyaynah and ‘Abdullah ibnul Mubarak, and they said concerning these Ahadith: “Quote them without (asking and mentioning) “How” and this is the saying of the people of knowledge among the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah. As for the Jahmiyah, they rejected these narrations and said that it is Tashbih (establishing a similarity between Allah and His creation). Allah (‘Azza wa Jalla) has indeed mentioned in many places of His Book the hand (Al-Yad), the hearing (As-Sam’), the sight (al-Basar) and the Jahmiyah interpolated these verses and explained them (did its Tafsir) contrary to what the people of knowledge have explained (did Tafsir), and they (Jahmiyah) said: “Allah did not create Adam with His hand” et they said: “The meaning of hand is the power”. And Ishaq ibn Ibrahim said: “Tashbih is only when we say that the hand is like my hand or similar to it, or hearing is like my hearing or similar to it, so if someone says: He hears like I hear or similarly to my hearing, this is Tashbih (establishing a similarity between Allah and the creation), and if we say as Allah (Ta’ala) said: a hand, hearing and seeing, and we do not say “How” and we do not say: “Like my hearing or similar to it” this is not Tashibh.”



So here Ahlul Hadith means Ahlus Sunnah and it opposes the people of Kalam Jahmiyah, Mu’tazilah and those who followed them Kullabiyah, Ash’ariyah and Maturidiyah.

Note: Some Neo-Jahmi said that Imam At-Tirmidhi negated any Tafsir in his first quote by saying: ”These matters should be narrated as they came, and there should be belief in them, and there should not be any Tafsir”, and these neo-Jahmi said that his creed and that of the Salaf is that of Tafwid, which means the Salaf read these words but did not give them any meaning and left the meaning to Allah.

Yet one can clearly see in the second quote that Imam At-Tirmidhi affirms that the Salaf did a Tafsir, and the Jahmiyah opposed the Tafsir of the Salaf. He said: “And the Jahmiyah interpolated these verses and explained them (did its Tafsir) contrary to what the people of knowledge have explained (did Tafsir)”.

Also by putting the hand with the attributes of seeing and hearing makes it clear that the Salaf had the same belief on these attributes, so if they did not believe in the meaning of hand, this would mean they also did not believe in the meaning of hearing and seeing, and only Allah knows the meaning of hearing and seeing. And the quotes Imam At-Tirmidhi mentioned from Ishaq ibn Ibrahim ibn Rahawayah makes it clear that believing that Allah has a hand is not Tashbih, and Tashbih is only to say like my hand. So Imam Ishaq did not say one should believe in the word "hand" and leave its meaning to Allah. So the second quote of the “Sunnan” of At-Tirmidhi make it clear that the Tafisr he negated in the first quote was the Tafsir other that the litteral meaning, and it is never the ridiculous creed of Tafwid.




We understand from this that here Ahlul Hadith means the creed of the Salaf. Likewise Imam Sabuni entitled one of his work on creed: “’Aqidatu Salaf wa Ashabil Hadith”



And Imam At-Tirmidhi also used the term Ahlul Hadith for a group of people that hve opinions in Fiqh. In the chapter: “What is narrated about Tamattu’”, Imam Tirmidhi writes:



وأهل الحديث يختارون التمتع بالعمرة في الحج وهو قول الشافعي وأحمد وإسحاق



And Ahlul Hadith preferred the Tamatu’ of ‘Umrah in Hajj and this is the saying of Ash-Shafi’i, Ahmad and Ishaq.”



And in many chapters, when mentioning the opinions of scholars, Imam At-Tirmidhi mentioned the term “Our companions” and he also mentioned a group by “Ahlul Kufah”.



Like the chapter of the person who forgets the prayer. He mentioned the view of Ash-Shafi’i, Ahmad and Ishaq that they chose the opinion of ‘Ali that the man forgetting the prayer should pray it whenever he reminds, and Imam At-Tirmidhi mentioned that the people of Kufah chose the saying of Abu Bakrah that he who slept and woke up at time of ghurub Shams did not pray but after the Ghurub of he sun, then Imam At-Tirmidh wrote: “As for our companions, they preferred the saying of ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib”



Imam At-Tirmidhi mentioned the Hadith of the Prophet (saw) that the one who reached one rak’ah of Fajr before Tulu’ of the Sun, then he has caught the Fajr prayer and the one who reached one rak’ah of ‘Asr before Ghurub of the sun has reached the prayer of ‘Asr. He then wrote: “This Hadith is Hassan Sahih, and by this say our companions, and Ash-Shafi’i, and Ahmad and Ishaq



About the two Saktah (silences) in the prayer, Imam At-Tirmidhi wrote: “And this is the saying or more than one person of knowledge, they consider recommended for the Imam to make Saktah after the beginning of the prayer and after finishing the Qira’ah, this is the view of Ahmad, and Ishaq and our companions



In the chapter about the man who married ten women then became Muslim, Imam At-Tirmidhi wrote: “And the action is upon the Hadith of Ghaylan for our companions, among them Ash-Shafi’i, Ahmad and Ishaq



After mentioning a Hadith about the invocation at the beginning of the prayer, Imam At-Tirmidhi wrote: “And the action is upon this (hadith) for Ash-Shafi’i and our companions” then Imam At-Timridhi mentioned a different view of Ahmad.



So one can clearly see that in these quotes about preferences of Fiqh, Imam at-Tirmidhi mentions the views of his companions, and Ash-Shafi’i, Ahmad and Ishaq are included in his companions, and that people of Kufah are mentioned separately. And in chapter of Tammatu’, At-Tirmidhi clearly mention the preference of Ahlul Hadith as a school of though.



So it shows the weakness of the claim of people that Ahlul Hadith only refers to Imams of Jarh and Ta’dil and knowledge of Hadith or to a school of creed.



Rather Ahlul Hadith is a school of Fiqh with had different rules from Ahlur-Ray.





Shah Waliullah naming a group of though Ahlul Hadith opposing Ahlur-Ray



Shah Waliullah mentionned in his book “Insaf fi Bayan Sabab Al-Ikhtilaf” a chapter entitled “The reasons for difference between Ashabul Hadith and Ashabul Ray



And there is a similar chapter in his book “Hujjatullah Al-Balighah”.



As for Insaf, it has been translated in english by Taha in London.



It is written p 77: “The position of the Madhab of (Imam) Ahmad in relation to the madhab of (Imam) Shafi’i is like the madhab of (Imam) Abu Yusuf and (Imam) Muhammad (to the madhab of Abu Hanifa). Despite that his madhab was not recorded with the madhab of Shafi’i during the (time of) recording like the madhab of those two was recorded together with the madhb of Abu Hanifa.”



So according to Shah Waliullah the Madhab of Ahmad is close to that of Ash-Shafi’i and they could have been recorded together and nowadays there could have been a madhab called Shafi’i including Hambalis. So it shows that the division of Ahlul Hadith between Shafi’i and Hambalis is artificial, and there difference in Usul and Furu are like Abu Yusuf and Muhammad’s differences with Abu Hanifah.



Then Shah Waliullah says further on the same page: “As for the madhab of Shafi’i, of all madhahib it has had more frequently mujtahid mutlaq and mujtahid fil Madhab. Among all the madhahib it is the most principled, scholastic and abounding in interpretation of the Quran and explanation of Ahadith. It is the most sound in chains of authorities and narration



As for Bukhari, although he was affiliated to Shafi’i and agreed with him in most of (the principles of) fiqh, he disagreed with him in many things. (But) what he did on his own is not considered as part of Shafi’i madhab. As for Abu Dawud and al-Tirmidhi, both of them were mujtahids affiliated to Ahmad (ibn Hambal) and Ishaq, and similarly we think of Ibn Majah and Al-Darimi, and Allah knows best.



It should also be known to him (the one involved in fiqh) that the subject matter of Shafi’i’s madhab consists of Ahadith and athar (and which) are recorded, well-known and used (as original sources). This kind (of distinction) is not found in any other madhab. Among the constituents of his madhab his Kitab Al-Muwatta (of Imam Malik). Although it was earlier than Shafi’i, he based his madhab on it. (Likewise are) Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, and the books of Abu Dawud, Al-Tirmidhi, ibn Majah and al-Darimi, then the musnad of Shafi’i, Sunan Nasa’i, Sunan Daraqutni, Sunan of Baihaqi and Sharh al-Sunnah of Baghawi.



As for Muslim and Abul ‘Abbas Al’Asamm (d 246/860Ad) the compiler of musnad al-Shafi’i and (kitab) al-Umm, and those mentionned by us after him, are devoted to the madhab of Shafi’i, and they all adhere to the same principles. And if you take note of what we have mentionned it will become clear to you that whoever opposes the madhab of Shafi’i will be deprived from the office of Al-Ijtihad Al-Mutlaq. (It is also worth noting) that the science of Hadith has declined to benefit the one who does not try to study under Shafi’i and his companions” End of Shah Waliyullah’s words



Here are some comments



1) Imam Bukhari is not a Shafi’i and As-Subki and others falsely attributed him to Ash-Shafi’i’s madhab, as said by Anwar Shah Kashmiri, and he is a Mujtahid Mutlaq. Zakariyah Kandhalwi in his introduction of Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi’s sharh of Bukhari also mentionned that Imam Bukhari is a mujtahid mutlaq. People falsely think he is Shafi’i because of agrement in famous opinions for which Imam Bukhari wrote special books like “Juzz Qira’ah Khalf Al-Imam” and “Juzz Raful yadayn”.



Yet Shah Waliyullah is right that Imam Bukhari and other Muhadith agree with the principles of Fiqh of Imam Shafi’i. They are Muhaqiq scholars and after checking they saw the rules of Imam Ash-Shafi’i as stronger. Just like Abu Yusuf and Muhammad ibn Al-Hassan saw Imam Abu Hanifa’s rules as stronger. So they did not make taqlid of him, but their Usul were similar and they had little difference in Usul of Fiqh, hence little difference in Fiqh.



And it is not that Muhadith were Muqalid of Ash-Shafi’i and they quoted and authenticated Ahadith with Ta’asub, rather Al-Bukhari, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi followed Hadith. And At-Tirmidhi mentionned Ash-Shafi’i among his companions as well as Ahmad and Ishaq.



2) Instead of saying Ash-Shafi’i based his madhab on Malik, Ahmad has little difference with Shafi’i, Muhadith are affiliated to Shafi’i’s madhab and principles of fiqh and affiliated to Ahmad and Ishaq, it is more exact to say that Muhadith adhere to the Madhab of Ahlul Hadith whose Imam are Malik, Shafi’i, Ahmad and Ishaq, and there principles of fiqh are that of Ahlul Hadith.





Witness of Ahnaf’s Kibar that Ahlul Hadith is a school of thought



All quotes below are taken from the book “Tahrik Azadi Fikr” of Isma’il As-Salafi, except for one from Hafiz ibn ul Qayim that his from Isma’il As-Salafi’s book “Hujjiyat Hadith” and some quotes from the english version of Ibn Taymiya’s book “Sihatu Madhab Ahlil Madinah”.



Mulla Katib Chalpi quoted in his ‘Kashf Az-Zunun” p 89 (ed Egypt) Imam ‘Ala Ud-Din Al-Hanafi from his book “Mizan Al-Usul”:



“And the majority of works in the field of Usul Al-Fiqh belong to Ahlul I’tizal (Mutazilah) who oppose us in Usul (creed) and (belong) to the Ahlul Hadith who oppose us in Furu’ (Fiqh), and there is no reliance on their works.”



So ‘Alaudin Al-Hanafi named a group called Ahlul Hadith opposing Ahnaf in Furu’, meaning in usul ul-Fiqh and Fiqh, and its shows that rules or Ahnaf in Usul Al-Fiqh are different from Ahlul Hadith. And this group is not a new invented one by British, but a well-known group to scholars.



‘Allamah Al-Bazdawi Al-Hanafi wrote in his Usul about Khabar Ahad: “Some Ahlul Hadith say that (Khabar Ahad) leads to knowledge of Yaqin (certitude).”



Abdul ‘Aziz Al-Bukhari Al-Hanafi commentator of Usul Al-Bazdawi wrote in his “Kashf Al-Asrar”:



The majority of Ashabul Hadith opted for the view that the Akhbar that are judged to be authentic by their experts leads to knowledge of Yaqin (certitude)



So it shows that Ahnaf differ with Ahlul Hadith about Khabar Ahad leading to Yaqin.



Also on Khabar Mursal, Abdul ‘Aziz Al-Bukhari criticized Ahlul Hadith for their rejection of Mursal Hadith saying:



They called themselves Ashabul Hadith, attached themselves to the defense of Hadith and action upon it, then they rejected what is from its stronger category (meaning Mursal)



Also about the permissibility of Ijtihad for Prophets, it is written in another place in “Kashf Al-Asrar”: “And this is reported from Abu Yusuf from our companions, and this is the madhab of Malik, Ash-Shafi’i, and the majority of Ahlul Hadith



So one can see that in Usul Fiqh there is a school called Ahlul Hadith. What ignorance and lies brought by Ghali Muta’asib Ahnaf that Ahlul Hadith is a new sect invented by British, having no precedent, while Kibar of Ahnaf say that Ahul Hadith oppose them in usul ul-Fiqh, on Khabar Ahad, Mursal and other issues.





Ibn Khaldun and Sahrastani naming the two groups Ahlul Hadith and Ahlur-Ray



Ibn Khaldun wrote in his “Muqadimmah” p 389 ed Egypt: “And Fiqh is divided in two ways: the way of Ahlur-Ray and Qiyas and they are Ahlul ‘Iraq and the way of Ahlul Hadith and they are Ahlul Hijaz, and Hadith was little in Ahlul ‘Iraq as we have explained before, so they performed a lot of Qias and became experts in it, this is why they are called Ahlur-Ray, and the leader of their group upon which and around whose companions a Madhab was built is Abu Hanifah.



Shahrastani wrote in his “Milal wa Nihal”: “Then the Mujtahid among the Imams of the community are restrained into two categories and there is no third: Ashabul Hadith and Ashabur-Ray.



Ashabul Hadith are the people of Hijaz, the companions of Malik ibn Anas, the companions of Muhammad ibn Idris Ash-Shafi’i, the companions of Sufyan Ath-Thawri, the companions of Ahmad ibn Hambal, the companions of Dawud ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad Al-Asbahani, and they were only named Ashabul Hadith because of their care to obtain Ahadith and transmit the narrations and build the Ahkam on the clear texts and they do not turn to Qias Al-Jali or Khafi when they find a narration…



As for the Ashabur-Ray, they are the people of ‘Iraq, and they are the companions of Abu Hanifah An-Nu’man ibn Thabit and among his companions are Muhammad ibn Al-Hassan, Abu Yussuf Ya’qub ibn Muhammad Al-Qadhi, Zufar ibn Huzayl, Al-Hassan ibn Zyad Al-Lului, ibn Sama’ah, ‘Afiyah Al-Qadhi, Abu Muti’ Al-Balkhi and Bishr Al-Marisi. And they were only named Ashabur-Ray because of their care to obtain a form of Qias and the meaning extracted from rulings and basing their formulations on them, and sometimes they will favour the Qias Al-Jali over the Ahad narrations” end of Sharastani’s words.





Witness of Shafi’i scholars about the existence of Ahlul Hadith school and Madhab.



Imam An-Nawawi wrote in Sharh Sahih Muslim about Tayamum: “The obligatory actions (of Tayamum) are wiping the face and the two hands, and this is the Madhab of ‘Ata, Makhul, Al’Awza’I, Ahmad, Ishaq, ibn Munzir and the majority of Ashabul Hadith



Imam An-Nawawi wrote in the chapter of Musaqat: “And this is the saying of Malik, Ath-Thawri, Al-Layth, Ash-Shafi’i, Ahmad and all Fuqaha Al-Muhadithin



On Muzara’ah, Imam An-Nawawi wrote: “And this is the saying of Ibn Abi Laylah, Abu Yussuf, Muhammad and all people of Kufah, and the Fuqaha Al-Muhadithin and Ahmad and ibn Khuzaymah.”



About Shuf’ah, An-Nawawi wrote: “Al-Hakam, Ath-Thawri, Abu ‘Ubaydah and a group of Ahlul Hadith said he cannot take it…And the second (opinion) is that it is obligatory and this is the saying of Ahmad, Abu Thawr and Ashabul Hadith



Hafiz ibn Hajar wrote about wiping face and two hands in Tayamum: “And this is the view of Ahmad, Ishaq, ibn Jarir, ibn Munzir, ibn Khuzaymah and Abu Jahm and others reported it from Malik, and Al-Khatabbi reported it from Ashabul Hadith.”



So One can see that Nawawi and ibn Hajar both attribute a saying in Fiqh to Ahlul Hadith. So this group exists.



Imam Az-Zahabi wrote in his Tazkiratul Hufaz about Baqi ibn Makhlad: “They opposed Baqi with Ta’asub because of his manifesting the madhab of Ahlul Athar, and the Emir of Andalus Muhammad ibn AbdirRahman Al-Mardani defended him, transferred his books (in another place) and told Baqi to propagate his knowledge.”



So Hafiz Az-Zahabi talked about a Madhab named as that of Ahlul Athar. What a shame for people calling this madhab a creation of British, what ignorance or Talbis!…This is the state of Muta’asib people! And nowadays Muta’asub Muqalid oppose scholars like Baqi ibn Makhlad. Ta’asub Madhabi, what a filthy disease!



Hafiz Az-Zahabi wrote about Abu ‘Abdillah Muhammad ibn Abi Nasr Al-Humaydi: “He was pious, thiqah, Imam in Hadith and its defects, a muhaqiq in knowledge of verification and his Usul were on the madhab of Ashabul Hadith agreeing with the Book and the Sunnah.”



So for Imam Az-Zahabi, there is a madhab of Ashabul hadith that has Usul ul-Fiqh.



Hafiz As-Suyuti quoted in his Sawn Al-Mantiq p 47 from As-Sam’ani (d489H) in his “Al Intisar li Ahlil Hadith”: “Two groups use to criticise Ashabul Hadith: Ahlul Kalam and Ahlur-Ray





Ibn Taymiyah and Ibnul Qayim mentioning Ahlul Hadith



Shaykh Al-Islam writes about Ahlul Hadith in Qawaid An-Nuraniyah: “Ahlul Hadith took about the matter of drinks from the saying of the people of Madinah and all the people of the cities agreeing with the Sunnah Al-Mustafidah from the Prophet (saw) and his companions on the forbiddance.,, And on the topic of foods they took from the saying of people of Kufah because of the authenticity of the Sunnan from the Prophet (saw) about the forbiddance of every wild beasts with fangs and every bird with talons and the forbiddance of the flesh of donkeys”



And likewise in many places of this book, Ibn Taymiyah mentioned the preferences in Fiqh of Ahlul Hadith.



Ibn Taymiyah writes in Naqd Al-Mantiq” : “The Fuqahah of Hadith are more knowledgeable than other Fuqahah, their Sufiyah are more following the Messenger that Sufiyah of other groups, and their rulers are more knowledgeable about the Prophetic politics (Syasiyah) than rulers of others, and their laymen have more right to allegiance (Wilayah) to the Messenger than others”



Shaykh Isma’il As-Salafi quoted in his book “Hujjiyat Hadith” Hafiz Ibnul Qayim saying in his “Sawa’iq Al-Mursalah”: “Everybody knows that the Ahlul Hadith are the most truthful of all groups as said by Ibn Al-Mubarak: “I found the religion to the Ahlul Hadith, the Kalam to the Mutazilah, the lies to the Rawafid and the tricks (Hyal) with Ahlur-Ray””



So both Ibn Taymiyah and Ibn Qayim Al-Jawziyah mentioned the Ahlul Hadith and their qualities.



Shaykh Al-Islam ibn Taymiyah mentioned in his Risalah “Sihatu Madhab Ahlil Madinah” that he been translated in English under the name: “The Madinan Way” that the school of the people of Madinah is stronger that of the people of Kufah. And he mentioned many examples to show this. But he also puts Imam Shafi’i under the school of Madinah, and tells that Layth ibn Sa’d and Al-Awza’i were close to this school. So it shows that this school is that of Ahlul Hadith.



He said p 33 of English translation: “Ash-Shafi’i was known for his efforts to follow the Book and the Sunna and his earnest striving to refute those who opposed that. He followed the school of the people of Hijaz…Then Ash-Shafi’i went to Egypt and wrote his new book and in his speech and writing he was ascribed to the school of the people of Madina such as Malik. He used to say: “Some of our companions” meaning the people of Madina or some of the men of knowledge of Malik or Malik himself…Ash-Shafi’i was one of the companions of Malik and he was known as one of his companions. He chose to live in Egypt at that time because they followed the school of the people of Madina and those Egyptians who had a similar position, such as Al-Layth ibn Sa’d and his like. Some of the people of the west followed the school of those men and some of them followed the school of al-Awza’i and the people of Syria. The school of the people of Syria and Egypt are close, but the people of Madina are considered better by all.



Since Ash-Shafi’i was a man who sought knowledge and saw proofs in sound hadiths and other things, he had to follow them, even if it was in opposition to the position of his Madinan companions. Therefore he undertook what his opinion demanded of him and he composed a dictation on the questions of ibn Al-Qasim and displayed some divergence from Malik in certain things. Ash-Shafi’i was good in what he did and undertook what he had to…Abu Yusuf and Muhammad Ash-Shaybani were the followers of Abu Hanifa and they were particularly connected to him, as Ash-Shafi’i was particularly connected to Malik, but their disagreement with Abu Hanifa is close to Ash-Shafi’i’s disagreement with Malik.” End of ibn Taymiyah’s words



So one can see according to Ibn Taymiyah Ash-Shafi’i’s madhab, and Shah Waliullah said that Ahmad’s madhab is close to that of Shafi’i like difference between Abu Hanifah and his students. So the matter of having Maliki, Shafi’i and Hambali madhab is a matter of students recording madhab together or separately. Yet Malik, Shafi’i, Ahmad, Layth, Al-Awza’i had same rules and were upon the same school: Ahlul Hadith.



Then in the same risalah, Ibn Taymiyah mentions in some places the view of Ahlul Hadith agreeing with that of the people of Madinah.



He said p 43 on a matter of transaction: “The people of Madina and the people of Hadith differ from them (people of Kufa) in respect of all that”



Also on p44: “That is what the people of Madina and the people of Hadith believe.”



On p 36 Shaykh Al-Islam mentions the Fuqaha of Hadith, and they are Ahlul Hadith:



“It is known that the school of the people of Madina, in respect of drinks, is more rigorous than the school of the Kufans. The people of Madinah and all other cities and the fuqaha of Hadith make every intoxicant unlawful. So every intoxicant is considered to be wine and is therefore unlawful. If a lot of it makes one intoxicated, then a little of it is unlawful. The people of Madina do not argue about that, neither their earlier nor their later people, no matter whether the drink is from dates, grains, honey, horses’ milk or anything else.



The Kufans, however, only consider wine to be that which becomes fermented from pressed grapes. If it is cooked before it becomes strong so that two-third evaporates, then they consider it to be lawful. The nabidh of dates and raisins is unlawful for them when it intoxicate if it is fresh, but if is cooked, the least amount of cooking makes it lawful, even if it still intoxicates!” end of Ibn Taymiyah's words



So one can clearly see that the school of Ahlul Hadith exists, the Fuqahah Al-Mahaditheen’s madhab has rules different from Ahnaf.



May Allah send Salah and Salam on the Prophet (saw), his household, his companions and their followers

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iss bande ka bio data ham achi tarah jante hen ye kabhi bhi ahle hadith nahi rha ye shoro se hi pakka raza khani tha aur debate ke baat iss ne aik dramma kia tha jis ki raza khanion ne vidio bana kar upload kar de..


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mughe iss forum par koi link post karne ki ijazat nahi warna mey oss debat ka link zaroor post karta.........

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 09:36 PM

Aap sey issi ki tawaqa ki jaa sakti thi...

Are bhai pehle ye tu batao ke iss article se aap sabit kya karna chahte the,

Ye k Ahle-e-Hadith Angrez ke door mey peda hoye...???


sabit ye kiya humny ki Aahle Hadith (maslakan) Angrezo ki paidawar hain...wahabi miyan aap naam nihad Ahle Hadith (salafi/wahabi/Ghair Muqallid) zaroor un angrezo ki sanad se Wahabi naam ke gali se dar kar apny Ahle Hadith title par qabza kiya jese parwezi Ahle Quran hony ka dawa karty hain or Ahle Tashih Shiyan e Ali hony ka...jabki Duniya janti hai ki na wo Ahle Quran hain na shiyan ali theek usi tarah aap bhi Ahle hadith naam par kabza jamaye bethy hain jinka Muhaddiseen ke ilm or mansab ka (Fanni Ahle Hadithso se) koi door door tak koi wasta hi nahin. Jaan na pehchaan or me tera mehmaan wali bat hui ye to...


Tu bhai mey ye baat proof kar chukka hoon k ahle hadith Kher-ul-Qaroon sey mojod hen aur aap ki apni kutab-e-Fiqa i.e Hadaya, Qadoori aur Durre Mukhtar Waghera iss ki gawah hen jis mey kai jagga hamara zikar mojod hey, yaqenan ye books tu angrez k door mey nahi likhi gai hen


un muhaddiseen ke mansab or ilmi shahkaar par danka mat mariye...Sirf naam ki mumasilat se koi waqai Ahle Hadith nahin ho sakta warna aap Agar dawa karty hain to humary poochy gaye choty se sawaal ka jawab dena kyu bhool gaye... (ma) aap to Quran or Hadith ka kamil ilm rakhty hain or dawa bhi Ahle Hadith hony ka hai to namaz ke masail ka jo sawaal poocha gaya hai uska jawab dene me kya dikkat paish aa rahi hai aapko... (bis) kar shuru ho jayieye..der kis baat ki :lol:


aap ney kha ke sheikh jilani ne jis ahle hadith groh ko najia kha hey oss se muhadiseen murad hen tu iss ka kya matlab hey Tum bhi Jhanami aur ham bhi jhanami????????? are nahi bhai ahle hadith se murad wo log hen jo kisi ommati imam ki andhi taqleed nahi karte balke direct nabi (saw) ki taqleed karte hen....

jis kisi ne bhi ye article likha oss ne historical hypocracy ka saboot dete hoye sheikh jilani ki wo ibaaraat ignore kar deen jis mey onho ney tum hanafion ka naam le kar tumhe 72 jhanami firqoon mey shamil kia hey aur hamay najia kha hey aur najia sey murad Gher Muqalid hen tum jese andhe muqalid nahi....


unka qowl aaapky liye hujjat ban gaya?
mene aapsy ghuniaytul talibeen ke mutalliq kuch sawaa kiye aap gou ka gosht samajh sab hazam kar gaye...wahabi salafi aisy to sawaalo ko gol na karo..? red underlined ka saboot dene ki zehmat uthai aapny jaisy ki wahabi ka minhaaj sirf or sirf Quran or Hadith ke dawy ke maddenaazar hona chahiye tha? kya ye bhi humy hi yaad dilana hoga...Shaikh abdul qadir jilani ki book me diye gaye hawaly par to beshaq baat hogi hi pehly aap apna dawa Quran or sunnat se sabit karengy...humari tarah talqleed karty huey kisi Alim e deen ka qowl paish karty apny hi mazhab se bewafai karty sharm nahin aati?


Afsoos meray final year ke exams start hone wale hen iss liye mere paas ziyada time nahi warna mey Ghaniya tul Taleeben k pages scan karwa kar yhan post karta ku k tum ne jitni ibartoon ka hawala diya hey wo sab out of context uthai gye hen context k andar inn ka wo matlab nahi jo tum ne sabit karne ki koshish ki hey, lo zara abb apni history bhi dekh lo


ary wahabi Janab aap aap apna dhyan parahi me lagaiye kahin Ahle Haditho ke chakkaro me khudas na khwasta Supply aa gayi to diqqat ho jayegi..kahin pepers me ans likhty waqt Ghuniyatul talibeen ke awraaq na chaapny lagy... :lol:

or abhi to mene ibarat paish hi kahan ki hain...jab paish karna shuru karunga tab ye shikwa kijyega...abhi to aapky zimmy hain un ibarton or hawalo ke paish karny ka.

kahin phir Yaad dilany ki zaroorat to nahin ki Wahabis Muddai hain Sirf Quran or Sunnat par kamzan hony ke to apny jawabat unhi ki roshni me dene ki zehmat uthaiyega...warna mardood thehrengy apky jawabat khud apky usoolo ki roshni mein...

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 11:32 AM

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Raza khani bhai aaj kafi arse bad iss forum par online hoa hoon aur bhoot afsoos hoa k last time mey ne itna time spend kar k jo answer post kia tha aap ne wo delete kar dia aur logon ko sachai jan'ne se mahroom kar dia, aap ne bhana ye banaya k oss mey hamari website ka koi link tha are bhai wo 16 k qareeb pages the meray paas itna time nahi k pehlay images ko pdf mey sey extract karoon, phir onhe edit karoon ,phir onhe dobara convert karon aur phir aap k forum par upload karoon .....

Agar meray Dalael ka jawab nahi hota tu ignore kar dia karo lakin post ko delete ku karte hoo...

aur aap ne mera topic bhi delete kar dia hey ye bhi munafiqat shayyed aap ko raza khan ne hi sikhae hey

mey aap ki post waqt ki kammi k baees nahi parh saka lakin aik jhalak dekh kar hi pata chal rha hey k aap ne iss mey kya likha hey

aap ne mughe apni raey k izhar ka right nahi diya iss liye may khod bhi ye forum choorr rha hoon aur baqi sab sey bhi yahi kahoon ga k ye forum sirf Raza Khanion k liye hey,

Agar koi mugh se debate karna chahta hey tu wo kissi neutral forum par mughe join kare mey kisi bhi topic par debate karne k liye tayar hoon .

Aur haan jate jate iss forum par aik last post upload kar rha hon khuda k liye agar torri si bhi sharam aur gherat hay tu issay delete na karna.

Naam Nehad Ahle Sunnat ka Asli Chehra


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Posted 27 March 2009 - 11:47 AM

NOW fi-aman: FOREVER...........!

Agar koi baat burri laggi ho tu maaf kar dena..........

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:58 AM

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Raza khani bhai aaj kafi arse bad iss forum par online hoa hoon aur bhoot afsoos hoa k last time mey ne itna time spend kar k jo answer post kia tha aap ne wo delete kar dia aur logon ko sachai jan'ne se mahroom kar dia, aap ne bhana ye banaya k oss mey hamari website ka koi link tha are bhai wo 16 k qareeb pages the meray paas itna time nahi k pehlay images ko pdf mey sey extract karoon, phir onhe edit karoon ,phir onhe dobara convert karon aur phir aap k forum par upload karoon .....
Agar meray Dalael ka jawab nahi hota tu ignore kar dia karo lakin post ko delete ku karte hoo...


wahabi tumhy time nahin or humy bhi fizul behas me parhny ka shok nahin aapko ek baar samjhaya ja chuka hai ki wahabi sites ke link is site par allowed nahin ya is forum ka rule hai jisy aap bahana bata rahy hain...ab aapky paas itna sab time nahin to "WHO CARES".

aur aap ne mera topic bhi delete kar dia hey ye bhi munafiqat shayyed aap ko raza khan ne hi sikhae hey


Janab wahabi miyan aapki basarat ka koi jawab or na hi aap ki kam ilmi ka humary paas koi ilaaj, zara aap batany ki zehmat karengy ki mene wahabi ka kon sa topic delete kiya mene sirf topic ko split karky ek naya topic banaya thaki qareen ko samjhny me asaani ho aapka topic ab bhi mojood hai zara anhkin kholy kab tak soty rahngy:-

Kya Imam Kaba Ahl-e-Hadith (Gher Muqalid) hen?????????, Imam Kaba Interacting with Jamiat-Ahl-e-Hadith Pakistan at Lahore

mey aap ki post waqt ki kammi k baees nahi parh saka lakin aik jhalak dekh kar hi pata chal rha hey k aap ne iss mey kya likha hey


ghafil rehna to tum logo ka purana shewa hai ismy koi nai baat nahin...ya dar ky mar waqt na mila?

aap ne mughe apni raey k izhar ka right nahi diya iss liye may khod bhi ye forum choorr rha hoon aur baqi sab sey bhi yahi kahoon ga k ye forum sirf Raza Khanion k liye hey,
Agar koi mugh se debate karna chahta hey tu wo kissi neutral forum par mughe join kare mey kisi bhi topic par debate karne k liye tayar hoon .


All i can say in reply that "Angoor khatty hain..."

Aur haan jate jate iss forum par aik last post upload kar rha hon khuda k liye agar torri si bhi sharam aur gherat hay tu issay delete na karna.

Naam Nehad Ahle Sunnat ka Asli Chehra



Apsy tawaqqo hai ki aap wo material related topic me post karein taki khalat mabhas no hon or issue ko samjhny parhny me asaani rahy..ummed hai aap samajh gaye hongy...

aapki namaz wala poster bhi mujhy hide karna parha ki awaal to usmy apky kisi wahabi sahab ka email adrs, tele no., adrs waghera tha, or forum par kisi member ko ye sab share karny ki ijazat nahin.. dusra ye ki aapsy poocha ye gaya tha ki Ahle hadith ka dawa rakhny waly kisi mujtahid ke qowl ke mohtaaj nahin hoty sab khud hi quran or sunnat se ijtehad karky masly masail hal kar lete hain...to aapsy guzarish hai ki aap zara namaz ke faraiz or sunnat or wajibat Quran or sahih ahadees se nikal kar dikha dein..na ki humy namaz parhny ka wahabi tareeqa sikhany wala poster dikhayein...ap to Masha Allah sahib e ilm hongy (GM jo hain) koi masla nahin aap logo ke liye to kisi ka qowl aap logo ke liye hujjat nahin to ye kisi or design kiye huey poster se kya sabit kar payengy aap? humary baqi sawaal to ab bhi aap par udhar hain hi or Insha Allah Qayamt tak rahngy ...!!

beghairat wahabis angoor khatty hain kya? aisy to na dum daba kar.. :lol:



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Posted 02 April 2009 - 09:22 PM


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Janab, aik sawal tamam Barelvi bhaion se Janab Asif Attari ki post perh kar (Mukkamal nahin sirf aik Hadith ka Hawal or us se istadlal dekh kar)
Ke Sunnat-e-Nabvi (saw) ka humye kesi ilm hoa.........?

Mukhtalif Logon ne Ahl-e-Hadith se kia muraad liya hai or un ke hi Mutabiq Ahl-e-Hadit ka kia aqeedah hai.......?

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