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#1 Sybarite

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 04:22 AM

Here are some audios from the most prominent Ahle'Sunnah scholars presenting their views regarding Dr. Tahir-ul-Padri. And yeah! Its ok to address him as Padri check the link for more information. I forgot to thank the person who is behind all the efforts that is my bestest friend Irfan Qadri from Madina Munawarra! Wonderful job brother!

I found some Minhajians/Tahiris doing false propogenda that Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah been decieved by fake/weak/tampered evidences and thats why he issued fatwa against Dr. Padri. This query/claim been forwarded to Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah and here is the reply.


Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah's Reply About Tahir-ul-Padri


Here Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah answers the query about calling Dr. Padri as Tahir-ul-Padri and exposes his diversion from the mainstream Ahle'Sunnah.





Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah's Response Over Calling Dr. Tahir as "Tahir-Padri"

Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah Refutes Tahir-ul-Padri's Abetment With Christians




Here is the audio clip of Huzoor Muhadith-e-Kabeer Hazrat Allama Zia-ul-Mustafa Azmi Sahib in which he tells the detail of Dr. Padri's escape from Munazira held in South Africa.





Huzoor Muhadith-e-Kabeer Exposes Dr. Tahir-ul-Padri




Allama Kokab Noorani Sahib swears on Aqa-o-Moula Huzoor (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)'s Moy-e-Mubarak that Dr. Padri said that Hassam-ul-Harmain's fatawas WERE right but not viable anymore.





Allama Kokab Noorani Exposes Tahir-ul-Padri

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 04:41 AM

India:

Nabeera-e-AlaHazrat, Tajush Sharee'ah Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan Qadri
Muhaddis Kabeer Mufti Zia-ul-Mustafa Al-Aa'zmi
Hazrat Allama Mufti Muhammad Aazam
Hazrat Allama Maulana Tehseen Raza Khan Qadri
Hazrat Allama Idrees Raza Khan Qadri Hashmati
Hazrat Allama Maulana Aal-e-Rasool Hasnain Mian Nazmi Mahrehrwi
Hazrat Syed Amin Mian Barkati Mahrehrawi
Hazrat Syed Najeeb Mian Barkati Mahrehrawi
Hazrat Allama Mufti Abdul Mannan Qadiri
Hazrat Allama Syed Muhammad Siraj Azhar Sahib
Hazrat Allama Mufti Abdur Raheem Bastawi
Hazrat Allama Maulana Syed Muhammad Eesa Razavi
Mufti Muhammad Akhar Hussain Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Shoaib Qadri Razavi
Hazrat Allama Muhammad Asjad Raza Khan Qadri
Hazrat Maulana Muhammad Shahidul Qadri
Maulana Muhammad Saeed Noori Qadri
Hazrat Allama Maulana Amanat Rasool Qadri
Hazrat Allama Maulana Muhammad Ismail Jani
Hazrat Allama Qamar Raza Khan Qadri
Hazrat Allama Sibtain Raza Khan Qadri
Hazrat Allama Subhan Raza Khan Qadri
Hazrat Allama Muhammad Salman Raza Khan Qadri
Hazrat Allama Syed Jilani Muhaamid Ashraf Kachochvi
Mufti Mukarram Ahmad Naqshbandi
Maulana Abdul Hakeem Al-Azhari
Hazrat Allama Abdullah Khan Azeezi
Hazrat Allama Ashiqur Rahman Habeebi
Mufti Sher Muhammad Razavi
Muft Muhammad Bahaul Mustafa Amjadi
Mufti Shabbir Ahmed Razavi
Mufti Abdul Wajid Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Maseehuddin Chishti
Mufti Akhtar Raza Qadri Mumbai
Mufti Muslim Shamsi
Mufti Hafeezullah Naeemi
Mufti Muhammad Salim Akhtar Bilali
Hazrat Allama Yaseen Akhtar Misbahi
Allama Syed Shah Shamsul Aalam Hussaini
Hazrat Allama Syed Abdul Jaleel Rizivi
Mufti Maqbool Ahmed Qadri
Hazrat Allama Mufti Mujeeb Ashraf Qadri
Mufti Mehmood Akhtar Amjadi
Hazrat Allama Abdul Mustafa Hashmati
Hazrat Allama Maulana Gulam Rasool Noori
Hazrat Maulana Qamrul Hasan Qadri
Doctor Abdul Naeem Azizi
Mufti Badruddin Ahmad Razvi
Maulana Mumtaz Ahmed Sadeedi
Maulana Tausif Raza Qadri
Maulana Qari Tasleem Raza Qadri
Maulana Toheedul Haq Ashrafi
Maulana Zartab Raza Hashmati
Mufti Akhtar Hussain Aleemi
Mufti Shafeeq Ahmed Sharifi
Mufti Masoom Raza Khan Hashmati
Mufti Wali Muhammad Razavi
Doctor Gulama Mustafa Najmul Qadiri
Maulana Imamuddin Al Qadiri
Maulana Zafar Qadri Hamidi
Maulana Syed Kafeel Ahmed Hashmi
Maulana Sufi Abdul Karim Noori
Mufti Muhammad Hussain Raza Noori
Mufti Muhammad Amanur Rubb Rizvi
Dr. Gulam Yahya Anjum Misbahi
Mufti Dr. Amjad Raza Amjad
Mufti Muteeur Rahman Rizvi
Mufti Abdul Hanan Rizvi
Mufti Muhammad Ashfaq Hussain Naeemi
Mufti Naeemullah Khan
Mufti Wafaul Mustafa Amjadi
Hazrat Allama Syed Fakhruddin Ashrafi
Hazrat Allama Gulam Moenuddin Razavi
Mufti Shabeehul Qadiri
Mufti Muhammad Ashraf Raza Qadri
Doctor Syed Shah Ashraf Mian Mahrehrawi
Mufti Abid Hussain Rizvi
Mufti Aalamgeer Rizvi
Hazrat Maulana Shamshad Hussain Rizvi
Allama Abdur Raheem Nishtar Farooqi
Hazrat Allama Shamsul Huda Misbahi
Maulana Rahmatullah Siddiqi

Pakistan (Punjab):

Allama Syed Ahmed Saeed Kazmi
Allama Abdur Rasheed Jhangvee
Allama Ata Muhammad Bandyalvi
Allama Muhammad Abdullah Qusoori
Allama Ahsaann-ul-Haq Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Abdul Qayyoom Hazarvi
Allama Abdul Hakeem Sharf Qadri
Hazrat Maulana Abun Noor Muhammad Bashir Kotalvi
Allama Muhammad Faiz Ahmed Owaisi
Allama Shabbir Ahmed Hashmi
Hazrat Allama Mufti Mian Jameel Ahmed Razavi
Allama Muhammad Hussain Ali Melsi
Maulana Gulama Ali Okarrvi
Shaikhul Hadees Molana Gulam Rasool Razavi
Mufti Muhammad Amin Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Moeenuddin Qadri Shafaee
Shaikhul Hadees Molana Wali-un-Nabi
Mufti Muhammad Ziaullah Qadiri
Mufti Muhammad Mukhtar Ahmed
Mufti Muhammad Aslam Razavi
Mufti Gulam Rasool Sahib
Mufti Muhammad Mukhtar Ahmed
Mufti Abu Dawood Muhammad Sadiq Qadri
Allama Saeed Ahmed Asad
Allama Abdul Kareem Sultani
Allama Syed Maratib Ali Shah
Allama Ataul Mustafa Jameel
Allama Maulana Ramzan Sialwi
Allama Raza-ul-Mustafa Zareeful Qadri
Hazrat Allama Syed Irfan Shah Mash'hadi
Allama Gulam Fareed Razavi Saeedi Hazarvi
Allama Muhammad Gul Ahmed Aqeeqi
Mufti Muhammad Habeebullah
Mufti Muhammad Siddiq Hazarvi
Allama Muhammad Abdul Sattar Saeedi
Allama Muhammad Anwarul Islam Qadri Razavi
Mufti Gulam Sarwar Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Ashraf Asif Jalali
Allama Maualan Ataul Mustafa Noori
Hazrat Allama Qari Ahsanul Haq Qadri
Allama Muhammad Haneef Akhtar
Mufti Muhammad Ashfaq Qadri
Allama Abul Karam Ahmed Hussain Qasim Al-Hayderi
Mufti Abdur Razzak bathralvi
Hazrat Allama Syed Haseenuddin Shah
Allama Muhammad Mujhtarul Hasan Siddiqi
Allama Qazi Gulam Mehmood Hazarvi
Allama Maulana Mufti Noor Aalam Sahib
Hazrat Allama Khadim Hussain Razavi
Allama Muhammad Yaqoob Khan Golarrvi
Allama Mansha Tabish Qusoori
Allama Muhammad Zyaullah Qadri
Allama Muhammad Nawaz Kharal
Mufti Muhammad Isma'el
Allama Ilahi Bakhsh
Mufti Muhammad Ashrful Qadri
Allama Peer Muhammad Afzal Qadri
Mufti Aziz Ahmed Qadri
Qazi Muhammad Abdur Rehman
Hazrat Allama Fayyaz Ahmed Owais
Allama Muhammad Shareef Multani
Allama Mehmood Ahmed Razavi
Allama Muzammil Hussain Shah
Allama Muhammad Saeed Ahmed Asad
Mufti Muhammad Hussain Naeemi
Allama Khadim Hussain Razavi
Mufti Muhamamd Ashraf Asif Jalali
Mufti Muhammad Ashfaq Razavi


Pakistan (Sindh):

Nawasa-e-AlaHazrat Mufti Taqaddus Ali Khan Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Hussain Qadri (Sukkur)
Allama Ibrahimul Qadri Razavi
Allama Muhammad Shafi Okarrvi
Allama Molana Mufti Muhammad Waqaruddin
Allama Syed Shah Turabul Haq Qadri
Mufti Abdul Azeez Hanafi
Mufti Ataul Mustafa Al-Aa'zmi
Shaikhul Hadees Allama Muhammad Isma'el Razavi
Allama Kokab Noorani Okarrvi
Mufti Muhammad Ibrahim Qadiri
Mufti Gulam Sarwar Qadri
Allama Mufti Ahmed Myan Barkati
Mufti Mehboob Raza Khan Qadri
Allama Muhammad Siddiq Multani
Mufti Muhammad Qasim Yaseeni
Mufti Saeed Ahmed Qadri
Molana Muhammad Basheerul Qadri Razavi
Allama Abdul Mustafa Azhari
Allama Muhamamd Ali Qusoori
Professor Dr. Muhammad Masood Ahmed
Allama Muhamad Abdur Rasheed Samundri
Allama Muhammad Basheer Mustafavi
Allama Manzoor Ahmed Faizi
Allama Maulana Abul Qasim Qadri
Maulana Muhammad Ilyas ATTAR Qadri
Hazrat Allama Syed Shah Abdul Haq Qadri
Hazrat Allama Muhammad Younus Shakir Qadri
Allama Muhammad Mushtaq Qadri
Allama Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah
Allama Muhammad Arif Ziaee
Allama Syed Riaz Hussain Shah
Allama Shokat Hasan Raza Khan Qadri
Allama Mufti Muhammad Saqib Akhtarul Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Raheem Sikandri
Allama Maulana Aslam Raza Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Farooq Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Akmal Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Abu Bakr Qadri
Muhammad Owais Raza Qadri
Abu Hamza Allama Muhammad Younus Qadri
Allama Khalilur Rahman Chishti
Allama Muhammad Usman Ghani Qadri
Allama Muhammad Mukhtar Ashrafi
Allama Naseem Ahmed Siddiqi
Mufti Muhammad Hassan Qadri
Mufti Muhammad Asif Abdullah Qadri
Allama Maulana Gulam Ghous Baghdadi Qadri
Allama Abrar Ahmed Rahmani
Allama Muslehuddin Hashmi
Allama Muhammad Basheer Farooqi
Mufti Muhammad Noman Sheeraz Qadri
Allama Muhammad AbuBakr Talib Qadri
Mufti Muhammmad Muneer Barkati
Molana Muhammad Shehzad Turabi

South Africa:

Shaikh Abdul Hadi Al-Qadiri (South Africa)
Allama Abdul Hameed Palmer (South Africa)
Qari Muhammad Afroz Qadri (South Africa)

UK:

Sufi Muhammad Riaz Asalmi (UK)
Allama Saqib Shami (UK)
Allama Qamruz Zama Khan Aazmi (UK)
Hazrat Allama Mufti Muhammad Zahid (UK)
Allama Maulana Muhammad Mohsin (UK)
Hazrat Allama Arshad Misbahi (UK)

USA:

Maulana Manzur-ul Islam Azhari
Maulana Ghufran Ahmad Siddique
Maulana Mohsin Makki
Maulana Syed Shah Aulad Rasool Misbahi
Allama Maulana Abdur Rab Aazmi
Mufti Qamar-ul Hasan BastaviSahab
Mufti Faizan-ul Mustafa
Mufti Syed Shah Muhktar Ahmad Naeemi
Maulana Hafiz Abdul Ghani Owaisi
Allama Maulana Ghulam Zurqani
Mufti Ahmad-ul Qadri
Allama Maulana Masood Ahmad Barkati
Maulana Ghulam Subhani
Maulana Omair Abdul Ghabbar Qadri
Maulana Asif Raza Qadri
Maulana Masood Raza
Maulana Hamid Raza Amjadi
Qari Shahid Nooti Razvi
Maulana Faiz e Rasool
Mufti Hafeez-ur Rahman Qadri

Other Countries:

Shaikh Fadl ar Rahman Qadri (Madina Munawwarah)
Allama Muhammad Arif Qadri Ziaee (Madina Munawwarah)
Allama Syed Muhammad Shokat Qadri (Jeddah)
Shaikh Syed Sabahuddin Al Qadiri (Iraq)
Allama Muhammad Amir Akhlaq Qadri (Syria)
Mufti Muhammad Abbas Qadri (UAE)
Shaikh Abdul Majeed Saeed (Egypt)
Allama Muhammad Gulam Anwar Qadri (Egypt)
Allama Muhammad Hasan Al-Azhari (Egypt)
Allama Muhammad Faheem Saqlaini (Egypt)
Allama Muhammad Ibrahim Khushtar Qadri (Mauricius)
Mufti Muhammad Badrul Qadri (Holland)
Hazrat Allama Qari Kher Muhammad (Holland)
Allama Muhammad Sajjad Qadri (Holland)

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 05:17 AM

Here are the books written in refutation of Dr. Padri.

Khatray Ki Ghanti Part 1 by Hazrat Allama Moulana Abu Dawood Sadiq Sahib


Khatray Ki Ghanti Part 2 by Hazrat Allama Moulana Abu Dawood Sadiq Sahib

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 05:40 AM

References regarding Diyyat:


وَإِنْ كَانَ أُنْثَى فَدِيَةُ الْمَرْأَةِ عَلَى النِّصْفِ مِنْ دِيَةِ الرَّجُلِ لِإِجْمَاعِ الصَّحَابَةِ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ فَإِنَّهُ رُوِيَ عَنْ سَيِّدِنَا عُمَرَ ، وَسَيِّدِنَا عَلِيٍّ ، وَابْنِ مَسْعُودٍ ، وَزَيْدِ بْنِ ثَابِتٍ رِضْوَانُ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى عَلَيْهِمْ أَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا فِي دِيَةِ الْمَرْأَةِ : إنَّهَا عَلَى النِّصْفِ مِنْ دِيَةِ الرَّجُلِ ، وَلَمْ يُنْقَلْ أَنَّهُ أَنْكَرَ عَلَيْهِمْ أَحَدٌ فَيَكُونَ إجْمَاعًا

بدائع الصنائع في ترتيب الشرائع

Bidaya Sinaya, Kitabul Jinayat, Wujoob-ud-diyyah, Vol 16, Page 352



وأجمع العلماء على أن دية المرأة على النصف من دية الرجل

تفسير القرطبي

Tafseer-e-Qurtabi, Vol 5, Page 325



دية المرأة على النصف من دية الرجل فيما قل أو كثر، روينا هذا القول عن علي بن أبي طالب

تفسير القرطبي

Tafseer-e-Qurtabi, Vol 6, Page 207



مذهب أكثر الفقهاء أن دية المرأة نصف دية الرجل بإجماع المعتبرين من الصحابة ، ولأن المرأة في الميراث وفي الشهادة نصف الرجل فكذلك في الدية .

Tafseer-e-Neeshapoori, Vol 3, Page 92


أبو عبد الله الحافظ أنبأ أبو الطيب محمد بن عبد الله الشعيرى ثنا محمش بن عصام ثنا حفص بن عبد الله حدثنى ابراهيم ابن طهمان عن بكر بن خنيس عن عبادة بن نسى عن ابن غنم عن معاذ بن جبل قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم دية المرأة على النصف من دية الرجل

Sunan Al'kubra lil Baheeqi, Vol 8, Page 95

قَوْلُهُ : اُشْتُهِرَ عَنْ عُمَرَ وَعُثْمَانَ وَعَلِيٍّ وَالْعَبَادِلَةِ : ابْنِ مَسْعُودٍ ، وَابْنِ عُمَرَ ، وَابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ : أَنَّ دِيَةَ الْمَرْأَةِ عَلَى النِّصْفِ مِنْ دِيَةِ الرَّجُلِ ، وَلَمْ يُخَالِفُوا


التلخيص الحبير في تخريج أحاديث الرافعي الكبير

Kitab'ud'Diyyaat, Vol 5, Page 69


قَالَ الْمُصَنِّفُ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ : { وَدِيَةُ الْمَرْأَةِ نِصْفُ دِيَةِ الرَّجُلِ } ، رُوِيَ هَذَا اللَّفْظُ مَوْقُوفًا عَلَى عَلِيٍّ ، وَمَرْفُوعًا إلَى النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

Hidaya, Vol 5, Page 585


قَالَ وَبَلَغَنَا عَنْ عَلِيٍّ أَنَّهُ قَالَ فِي دِيَةِ الْمَرْأَةِ عَلَى النِّصْفِ مِنْ دِيَةِ الرَّجُلِ فِي النَّفْسِ

Al'Mansoot Sarkhasi, Vol 29, 204


دِيَةُ الْمَرْأَةِ عَلَى النِّصْفِ مِنْ دِيَةِ الرَّجُلِ ، وَقَدْ وَرَدَ هَذَا اللَّفْظُ مَوْقُوفًا عَلَى عَلِيٍّ وَمَرْفُوعًا إلَى النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ، وَالْمَوْقُوفُ فِي مِثْلِهِ كَالْمَرْفُوعِ ، إذْ لَا مَدْخَلَ لِلرَّأْيِ فِيهِ

Inaya Sharah Hidaya, Kitabuddiyyaat Vol 15, 286


وما حكاه المصنف عن عمرو عثمان وعلى وابن مسعود وابن عمرو ابن عباس وزيد ابن ثابت أنهم قالوا (دية المرأة نصف دية الرجل) ولا مخالف لهم في الصحابة فدل على أنه إجماع

AlMajmu'o, Vol 19, Page 54


ودية المرأة نصف دية الرجل، إذا كانت المرأة حرة مسلمة فديتها نصف دية الحر المسلم أجمع على ذلك أهل العلم ذكره ابن المنذر وابن عبد البر وحكى غيرهما عن ابن علية والاصم أنهما قالا ديتها كدية الرجل لقوله عليه الصلاة والسلام " في النفس المؤمنة مائة من الابل " وهذا قول شاذ يخالف اجماع الصحابة وسنة النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فان في كتاب عمرو بن حزم دية المرأة على النصف من دية الرجل وهو أخص مما ذكروه وهما في كتاب واحد فيكون ما ذكرنا مفسرا لما ذكروه مخصصا له

Sharhal Kabeer Li Ibni Qidama, Vol 9, Page 518
AlMugni Qadeem, Vol 19, 115


دية المرأة على النصف من دية الرجل

بدائع الصنائع ج7 ص312, نهاية المحتاج ج7 ص302
شرح الدردير ج4 ص248، والمغني ج9 ص523

اتفق الفقهاء على أن دية المرأة فى القتل نصف دية الرجل أخذًا بما نسبه الرسول حيث كتب فى كتاب عمرو بن حزم: دية المرأة على النصف من دية الرجل. وقد أجمع الصحابة على هذا فيروى عن عمر وعلى وعثمان وابن عمر وابن مسعود وابن عباس وزيد بن ثابت رضوان الله عليهم أنهم قالوا: إن دية المرأة على النصف من دية الرجل، ولم ينقل أن أحدًا أنكر عليهم فيكون إجماعًا ولأن المرأة فى ميراثها وشهادتها على النصف من الرجل فكذلك فى ديتها

بدائع الصنائع ج7 ص254 , المغنى ج9 ص531 , المهذب ج2 ص211 , شرح الدردير ج4 ص238

At-Tashree'al Jinaee Fil Islam, Chapter 2, Vol 3, Page 200


دية الأنثى فيما دون النفس: يرى أبو حنيفة والشافعى أن دية المرأة على النصف من دية الرجل نفسًا وجرحًا وأطرافًا

بدائع الصنائع ج7 ص312 , نهاية المحتاج ج7 ص

فقد روي عن عمر رضي الله عنه، وعلي كرم الله وجهه، وابن مسعود رضي الله عنه، وزيد بن ثابت رضي الله عنهم أجمعين: أنهم قالوا في دية المرأة: إنها على النصف من دية الرجل، ولم ينقل أنه أنكر عليهم أحد، فيكون إجماعا، ولان المرأة في ميراثها وشهادتها على النصف من الرجل.

AlFiqhus Sunnah, Vol 2, Page 563

For more references:

Tafseer Tibri, Vol5, Page 254
Tafseer alKabeer, Vol 10, Page 233
Al Meezanul Kubra, Vol 2, Page 244
Kitabul Hujjah Vol 4, Page 278
Fatawa Alamgeeri, Vol 6, Page 24


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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:48 AM

(salam)
Masha Allah Gr8 Research. Huzoor Taj Jush Shariat ne farmaya tha k "Ye to padri se bhi badtarr hai, unheen ka to mission chala raha hai. iss ko Padri keh sakte hain."
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 11:47 AM

(salam)

Finally Minhajians and lovers of this Dr. Padri made a move and now the earlier posted video are removed from Youtube, but none of them dared to come here and debate/discuss this issue. All they did so far is cussing me by lame arguments and private messages on youtube.

Anways, the videos are up again. I have fixed the links in first post.

The links for the books will soon be fixed as well (ia)

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 09:17 PM

Mashallah Sybrite,

Good research, All the names you mentioned no one knows them apart from couple in UK Allama Saqib Shami Sahib and Kazmi Sahib

I can go and past 100000s of names who come and listen to Dr Qadri around the world but please give me some authentic names.

Thanks to your forum, I have started watching his DVDs and in one of Mawlid un Nabi SAW lecture the person who looks after Roza-e-Rasool SAW came there and delivered a lecture, also Shayoukh from Syria, Egypt and many other countries. This includes Grand Imam of Jamia-e-Ummvi Damascas Shaykh Saeed Asad As Sagherji, Shaykh Al-Farfoor and many more.

What is their Aqeeda? Are they are with the same Aqeeda? The more research I am doing I find Dr Qadri is well respected around the world where as the names you have mentioned they never ever been outside their countries or even their Hujra's.

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What is all this? Does any of scholars you mentioned have any?

Kindly provide me the criteria for Sunni?



What is the criteria for being Sunni?


1. If you are throwing him out of Sunniyet then you need to give reference from his lectures or books
2. The reference you quoted from newspapers and magazines, be honest with me and tell me do you trust these papers and magazines? if tomorrow I ask them to publish an article in which they praise and say he is Sunni, would you beleive that?

My dear, these references are OK for Pakistani people, I would like something from Qudwa Tul Awliya Tahir Alauddin Al-Gilani Al-Baghdadi, HUZOOR ZIA-UL-UMMAT,SHAYKH JUSTICE MUHAMMAD KARAM SHAH, AL-QURAISHI, AL-AZHARI, Mufti Sarfaraz Naeemi Sahib, Maulana Shah Ahmed Khan Noorani Sahib.

Edited by Sybarite, 08 October 2009 - 12:49 AM.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 09:21 PM

A kind Request:

Regardless which scholar we are discussing, I would say show some respect.

We do call others that they are Gustaakh, have we looked at ourselves?

We can't be the judge, if any scholar has written any thing that is beweet him and Allah SWT and Him we should not be disrespectful towards any scholar.

We call ourselves Aashiq Rasool and this is our behaviour. Mashallah

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 10:04 PM

Well mister Saqi, the names you have given... first of of all Sybarite bhai have mentioned the names of Scholars who have "rejected the false beliefs of Dr sahib".. It is a shame to you that you don't know the great scholars mentioned, but how can you know though, you haven't looked arround for seeking truth, rather accepted the falsehood blindly.

In your answer you should bring names of those who "accepted all the false beliefs of Dr sahib and has labelled them to be Islamic beliefs". Beliefs are infront of you, in the topics here, a person's support can only be accepted if he knows all the beliefs of Tahir and supports his beliefs.
I am sure the list you gave is not of "those who support the beliefs of Tahir ul Qadri".

Other than this I can surely say Tahir sahib can go to west and try to fool the people by looking like a Sunni and hide his real beliefs and his terrible past. Why don't you suggest your Sheikh ul Islam to go to all these personalities and say "I say jews christians this this that that" then see what replies sheikh sahib get from them, just us know about those replies as well. Afterall, his beliefs are completing against that of Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jamaa'ah. If you can bring a name with a proof and trying to justify the aqaaid of Tahir ul himself, then we will put it forward for further clarification and hukm e Sharaee.

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 10:10 PM

I am not here to waste my own time or ursSeen end of the text I have asked you 2 questions:


I need two answers here
  • What do you say about all the scholars who have given him Ijaza and also about those who took Ijaza from him?
  • What do you say about those people who ca;; a muslim Padri???
I would appreciate an honest answer not a bias one.

Thank you


Well mister Saqi, the names you have given... first of of all Sybarite bhai have mentioned the names of Scholars who have "rejected the false beliefs of Dr sahib".. It is a shame to you that you don't know the great scholars mentioned, but how can you know though, you haven't looked arround for seeking truth, rather accepted the falsehood blindly.

In your answer you should bring names of those who "accepted all the false beliefs of Dr sahib and has labelled them to be Islamic beliefs". Beliefs are infront of you, in the topics here, a person's support can only be accepted if he knows all the beliefs of Tahir and supports his beliefs.
I am sure the list you gave is not of "those who support the beliefs of Tahir ul Qadri".

Other than this I can surely say Tahir sahib can go to west and try to fool the people by looking like a Sunni, but his beliefs are completing against that of Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jamaa'ah. If you can bring a name with a proof and trying to justify the aqaaid of Tahir ul himself, then we will put it forward for further clarification and hukm e Sharaee.


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Posted 07 October 2009 - 10:24 PM

  • What do you say about all the scholars who have given him Ijaza and also about those who took Ijaza from him?

As I've asked earlied Do they have the same beliefs as Tahir sahib have or rather he tried to fool them be outwardly becoming Sunni and inside carring terrible past and false Aqaaid? If yes then provide proof. If you can't proof then please do not use their names for you filthy perpose of "they support tahir's beliefs" now you haven't proofed yet if they hold the same beliefs as Tahir sahib do.

What do you say about those people who ca;; a muslim Padri???

For a Muslim, you mean Sahi ul Aqeeda (of course Muslim is Sahih ul Aqeeda)? The answer is, No it is no good.
But what do you call a person who preaches Christianity? Padri means preacher of Christianity and it fully fits to Tahir sahib. Now I ask you, one who preaches Christianity is called a Padri then why Prof. Tahir ul Qadri sahib can not called as Padri?


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Posted 08 October 2009 - 12:56 AM

Saqi,

You've presented your queries/views. Now I hope you can wait till I reply. So please stop repeating the lame queries in every other topic. You'll be replied soon enough so just hold your horses.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 03:43 PM

Saqi,

You've presented your queries/views. Now I hope you can wait till I reply. So please stop repeating the lame queries in every other topic. You'll be replied soon enough so just hold your horses.



This is what you sent me as private message:

saqi,

Sybarite has sent you a new personal conversation entitled "Warning".

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 11:30 PM

Mashallah Sybrite,

Good research, All the names you mentioned no one knows them apart from couple in UK Allama Saqib Shami Sahib and Kazmi Sahib

I can go and past 100000s of names who come and listen to Dr Qadri around the world but please give me some authentic names.

Thanks to your forum, I have started watching his DVDs and in one of Mawlid un Nabi SAW lecture the person who looks after Roza-e-Rasool SAW came there and delivered a lecture, also Shayoukh from Syria, Egypt and many other countries. This includes Grand Imam of Jamia-e-Ummvi Damascas Shaykh Saeed Asad As Sagherji, Shaykh Al-Farfoor and many more.

What is their Aqeeda? Are they are with the same Aqeeda? The more research I am doing I find Dr Qadri is well respected around the world where as the names you have mentioned they never ever been outside their countries or even their Hujra's.

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What is all this? Does any of scholars you mentioned have any?

Kindly provide me the criteria for Sunni?



What is the criteria for being Sunni?


1. If you are throwing him out of Sunniyet then you need to give reference from his lectures or books
2. The reference you quoted from newspapers and magazines, be honest with me and tell me do you trust these papers and magazines? if tomorrow I ask them to publish an article in which they praise and say he is Sunni, would you beleive that?

My dear, these references are OK for Pakistani people, I would like something from Qudwa Tul Awliya Tahir Alauddin Al-Gilani Al-Baghdadi, HUZOOR ZIA-UL-UMMAT,SHAYKH JUSTICE MUHAMMAD KARAM SHAH, AL-QURAISHI, AL-AZHARI, Mufti Sarfaraz Naeemi Sahib, Maulana Shah Ahmed Khan Noorani Sahib.


First you got to prove that no one knows the names I quoted besides the Allama Saqib Shami and Ghazali-e-Zama Allama Kazmi sahib. If you don’t know anything about them then it’s your flaw but It doesn’t prove anything.Besides, you’ve been constantly crying over the criteria of Sunni, whats your criteria of Scholars? Is it really mandatory that every Sunni Scholar has to be known by YOU or else he is not creditable enough? Later you successfully exposed your Ilmi’auqaat by saying

…where as the names you have mentioned they never ever been outside their countries or even their Hujra's

What in the world traveling has to do with all this? I mean first of all, you claim that most of the scholars I’ve mentioned are unknown to you and then you claim to know so much about them that you even know they never ever been outside their countries or Hujra. Tahiris are funny! Let’s suppose you’re right and these scholars never stepped out of their countries or Hujra (which is not the case), but what does it proves anyways? Again, what traveling has to do with Islamic ruling? So far I haven’t seen any such Islamic ruling that a Mufti can’t become creditable enough unless he travels around the globe or so.

Since when the audience count proves anything? I mean really! Zakir Naik also has a huge audience, should we consider him a righteous Muslim now?

We are not talking about what he lectures, or where. Neither are we discussing his traveling details. We are talking about the disputed statements he made in his past. I can present you more names than you did, who listens to Dr. Padri, but again that doesn’t prove Dr. Padri to be righteous by any Shariah law. You’ve presented many names (the copied list from Minhaji site is deleted though). Let’s just take one of them to make it easy for you. Go and ask Shaykh Saeed as’Sagharjee about the ruling against the person who goes against the Ijma and then show us the actual signed and sealed verdict. Then we'll accept that Shaykh Saeed as'Sagharjee is in total affirmation with Dr. Padri's beliefs regarding “Diyyat”. Now it’s time to make a move and do something sensible rather than copying material from Minhaji websites and pasting them here.

Later you asked about the criteria of Sunni and I would like you to present your criteria of Sunni first, as the person we’re discussing here considers Sunnis and Shias as ONE! So I think it’s you who should be telling us about the criteria of Sunni.


WE didnt throw him out of Sunniyat. Dr. Padri himself uttered enough crap to prove himself a Gumrah. Muftiyan-e-Kiram and scholars simply judged him according to Shariah Law, and those who didnt and still attending his lectures and so, are possibly unaware of the Dr. Padri's diabolical statements. However I've already presented a simply and easy solution to figure this out. Present those statements to those scholars and get a signed and sealed verdict.

You want references from his books and lectures. Well go through the forum again,we've already provided enough references. About the references from Newspapers and Magazines, you are no one to declare them fake/tempered. If you think all those newspaper and magazines lied about Dr. Padri then why didn't Minhajul Quran International do anything against them officially. For example, a couple of months ago, I uploaded a few videos on youtube exposing the real face of Dr.Padri. The videos contained Dr. Padri's photoshoped images and thus been deleted by youtube administration because of the complaints received from Minhajul Quran International. Thats how you deny things officially. But so far Minhajul Quran never refuted any of those reports from those Newspapers and Magazines. They responded so quickly when it came to the videos I uploaded, but its been years and there is no official denial from Minhajul Quran about those Newspapers and Magazines. So stop crying over this and use your brain.

Then you want us to show you references from Qudwatul Awliya Syedna Pir Tahir Alaudding al'Gilani, Hazrat Pir Karam Ali Shah Sahib etc. This means you think of these Shuyookh as authentic. Now would you please let us know what Qudwatul Awliya Syedna Pir Tahir Alauddin al'Gilani said about praying behind deviants? Would you please let us know about the views of Hazrat Pir Karam Ali Shah Sahib, Moulana Noorani Miya regarding Deobandis and Shias? I'll wait for your reply over this. Let us all see how much you actually know about these eminent personalities. :rolleyes:

And at last the most lamest statement you made so far that; "these references are OK for Pakistani people". I don't know what made you say that (it's probably Padri's love) but you seriously need help! If these references are OK for Pakistani people then please tell us why they are NOT OK for people living outside Pakistan? I mean are you trying to say that Pakistanis are some kind of special Muslims or what? Whats the difference between the Iman of Pakistani Muslims and non-Pakistanis Muslims?

I got a suggestion for you. Think before you speak.... PLEASE!

Hope its enough for the day. Your later post will be replied soon (ia), till then keep reading.


Here I am quoting some "authentic" material regarding Christians and Jews and befriending with them.


Surah Baqarah, verse 120 (2:120)


'And never the Jews and Christians will be pleasedwith you unless you follow their Din (creed). Say then! 'The guidance of Allah is the only guidance', (O listener who he may be) if you become follower of their desires, after the knowledge that has come to you, then no one will be your protector from Allah and no helper.(Kanz’ul Imaan)

'Never will the Jews be pleased with you, neitherthe Christians, not until you follow their creed, their religion, Say: ‘God’s guidance, that is, Islam, is the true guidance’,besides which there is only error. And if you were (wa-la-in: the lām is for oaths) to follow their whims, hypothetically speaking, [whims] to which they are calling you, after the knowledge, the Divine revelation, that has come to you, you shall have against God neither friend, to protect you, nor helper, to defend you against Him.(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn)

'(And Jews) The Jews of Medina (will not be pleased with thee, nor will Christians) the Christians of Najran, (till thou followtheir creed) their religion and direction of prayer. (Say) O Muhammad! (Lo! The guidance of Allah is Guidance)the Religion of Allah is Islam and Allah's direction of prayer is the Ka'bah.(And if thou shouldst follow their desires) their religion and direction of prayer (after the knowledge which hath come unto thee) that the Religion of Allah is Islam and His direction of prayer is the Ka'bah, (then wouldst thou have from Allah) from His chastisement (no protecting friend) no one to benefit you (nor helper) to save you from this chastisement.(Tanwir-ul-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas)



Surah al’Maidah; verse 51 (5:51)

''O believer! Do not take the Jews andChristians as friends, they are friends of each other among themselves, and whoso of you makes them his friends, then he is one of them. Undoubtedly Allah guides not the people unjust. (Kanz’ulImaan)

'O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as patrons, affiliatingwith them or showing them affection; they are patrons of each other, being united in disbelief. Whoever amongst you affiliates with them, he is one of them, counted with them. God does not guide the folk who do wrong, by affiliating with disbelievers.(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn)

'(O ye who believe!) in Muhammad and the Qur'an (Take not the Jews and Christians for friends) seekingtheir assistance and help. (They are friends one to another) He says: some are followers of the religion of others in secret and in the open, just as they are friends of each other. (He among you) O group of believers (who taketh them for friends) seeking their assistance and help (is (one) of them) in alliance and is not included in Allah's protection and safety. (Lo! Allah guideth not) to His religion and proof (wrong-doing folk) the Jews and Christians.(Tanwir-ul-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas)


'Here Allah clearly discriminated Jews and Christians from the Believers.



Surah Aal-e-Imran; verse 28 (3:28)

'Let not the Muslims takes infidels as theirfriends besides the Muslims and whosoever shall do that he has no connectionwith Allah, but this that have some fear of them; and Allah cautions you from His wrath; and unto Allah is there turn.(Kanz’ul Imaan)

'Let not the believers take the disbelievers aspatrons, rather than, that is, instead of, the believers — for whoever does that, that is, [whoever] takes them as patrons, does not belong to, thereligion of, God in anyway — unless you protect yourselves against them, as a safeguard (tuqātan, ‘as a safeguard’, is the verbal noun from taqiyyatan), that is to say, [unless] you fear something,in which case you may show patronage to them through words, but not in your hearts: this was before the hegemony of Islam and [the dispensation] applies to any individual residing in a land with no say in it. God warns you, He instills fear in you, of His Self, [warning] that He may be wrathful with you if you take them as patrons; and to God is the journey’s end, the return, and He will requite you.(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn)


Surah Aal-e-Imran, verse 118 (3:118)

''O believers! Do not make strangers as your confidants; they leave no stone unturned in harming you. They yearn for what distresses you: Hostility appeared from their utterances and what they have concealed in their breasts is yet greater. We have made you hear Our signs clearly, if you have wisdom.(Kanz’ul Imaan)

'O you who believe, do not take as intimates, assincere friends, revealing to them your secret thoughts, anyone apart from yourselves, from among the Jews, Christians and the hypocrites; such men spare nothing to ruin you (khabālan is in the accusative because the preposition [that usually precedes it, sc. fī’l-khabāl]has been omitted), that is to say, they would not be remiss about corrupting you; they would love, they wish, for you to suffer ([al-‘anat means] extreme hardship). Hatred, enmity towards you, is revealed, it is manifested, by their mouths, by sowing discord among you and informing the idolaters of your secret[plans]; and what their breasts conceal, of enmity, is yet greater. Now We have made clear to you the signs, of their enmity; if you understand, this,then do not befriend them.(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn)


We get the following points from the quoted verses;

1. Jews and Christians will never be pleased with you, not until you follow their religion.

And the living example of this verse are those Christians who are pleased with Minhajians and Dr. Padri as they followed their religion by celebrating Christmas according to their customs.

2. Do not take the Jews and Christians as friends and the one who does, is one of them. Unless he do it for guarding himself from any possible danger from empowered Jews/Christians.

In Kanz’ul Imaan this is declared to be a “Hukm-e-Aam”, however the verse revealed for a particular event.

3. Jews and Christians are not Believers.

Whereas your Padri claims them to be Believers. The Christians believes Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam) to be the son of God. Trinity, the Christian belief that God is one Being made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal, co-eternal communion as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


Now take a look at Ahadith;

Narrated Abu Hurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend.
(Sunan Abi Dawud, Book 41: Kitab-ul-Adab, Number4815)

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

As We sent down (the Scripture) on those who are divided (Jews and Christians)." (15.90) They believed in part of it and disbelieved in the other, are the Jews and the Christians. the Christians.
(Sahih Bukhari, Kitaab-ut’Tafsir, Book 60, Number 229)

'Amr b. 'As reported:

'I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) quite audibly and not secretly: Behold! the posterity of my fathers,that is, so and so, are not my friends. Verily Allah and the pious believers are my friends.
(Sahih Muslim, Kitab-ul-Imaan, Bab’ Mawalatil Momineen, Number 0417)

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Umar expelled the Jews and the Christians from Hijaz. When Allah's Apostle had conquered Khaibar, he wanted to expel the Jews from it as its land became the property of Allah, His Apostle, and the Muslims. Allah's Apostle intended to expel the Jews but they requested him to let them stay there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits. Allah's Apostle told them, "We will let you stay on thus condition, as long as we wish."So, they (i.e. Jews) kept on living there until 'Umar forced them to go towards Taima' and Ariha'.
(Sahih Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Muza’raat,Number 531)



Narrated'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:

On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done.
(Sahih Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib, Number 660)

We learn that;

1. A man follows the religion of his friend, so one should be careful whom he makes his friend.

2. Christians and Jews believed some part of the scriptures sent down on them and disbelieved in some, and thus disbelievers.

3. Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) said that so and so (the disbelievers) are not my friends but Allah and the believers.

4. Hazrat Umar Farooq (Radi Allahu Anhu) forcibly expelled the Christians and Jews from Arab peninsula.

5. Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) said; "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets" as they do Shirk by associating partners with Allah and that is disbelieving in the concept of Tawheed.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 06:00 AM

This is what you sent me as private message:

saqi,

Sybarite has sent you a new personal conversation entitled "Warning".

Sybarite said:
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Why are we warning now?

Don't we have enough courage to listen the truth??

What are you going to do? Ban me from this forum? Please do so, I came here to learn Islam not a sect, which is self centred, not willing to listen or read other scolars material.

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This forum does not acknowledge Dr. Tahir as a Sunni, let alone Shaykh-ul-Islam. Please refrain from entitling him with the titles he dont deserve.
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This title has been given to him by Arab Scholars nd also Shah Khaki RA of Chakwaal.


This wasnt just a private message, its mandatory when you warn a member. Hope now you understand what it was.


Why are we warning now?


Make some sense and I'll try my best to reply.


Don't we have enough courage to listen the truth??


We do have the courage, we are just waiting for you to come up with something logical and authentic. Not just that copy+pasted material from Minhajian websites.


What are you going to do? Ban me from this forum? Please do so, Icame here to learn Islam not a sect, which is self centred, not willingto listen or read other scolars material.

Whine more, I'd say!

If we wanted to ban you, we would've done it by now. You deserved a warning and you had it, so you really don't need to cry about it at all. I already described why you came in here in another thread in General Section so don't need to reply the same crap again. And we are more than willing to listen your stance but not the lame copy+pasting. If you really wants to prove your stance, first prove us wrong. Prove the allegations raised against him as false. Just copy+pasting his Isnaads and the names of scholars who listens to him wont prove Dr. Padri's righteousness.

My sincere suggestion is that you need to read all the allegations raised against him and their grounds. Then go look the Shariah rulings from a reliable and unbiased source. And when you find something which justifies him, present it here and then we'll discuss whether we did a mistake or you.

This title has been given to him by Arab Scholars nd also Shah Khaki RA of Chakwaal.

The title Dr. Padri has been given to him by the great-grandson of Imam-e-Ahle'Sunnah, Mujaddid-e-Deen-o-Millat, Imam Ash'Shah Ahmed Raza Khan(ra), Huzoor Taaj'ush Shariah Hazrat Allama Moulana Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan al'Qadri al'Azhari, who has been recently awarded with the title of "Fakhr-e-Azhar" by the famous Al-Azhar University, been appointed & announced as Qaazi ul'Quzzat (Muslim Cheif Justice) of whole of India by Muhaddith-e-Kabir Hazrat Allama Mufti Zia ul'Mustafa Azmi sahib, about whome Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-Khatib al-Hasani (the head of Ma’had at-Tahzeeb and the ‘Orator of Damascus’) said; "Akhtaru Sayyiduna wabnu Sayyidina which means ‘Akhtar is our master and the son of our master!'.

This is a lot less than the very brief introduction with hundreds of names missing of those scholars of wrote poems in praise of Huzoor Taaj'ush Shariah. Feel free to ask for more!

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 05:03 PM

yOU HAVE COURAGE TO LISTN THE TRUTH EH!!

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE BEEN EDIING AND DELEING MY POSTS

WHERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH


I AM FEELING SORRY FOR YOU SYBARITE................









This wasnt just a private message, its mandatory when you warn a member. Hope now you understand what it was.


Why are we warning now?


Make some sense and I'll try my best to reply.


Don't we have enough courage to listen the truth??


We do have the courage, we are just waiting for you to come up with something logical and authentic. Not just that copy+pasted material from Minhajian websites.


What are you going to do? Ban me from this forum? Please do so, Icame here to learn Islam not a sect, which is self centred, not willingto listen or read other scolars material.

Whine more, I'd say!

If we wanted to ban you, we would've done it by now. You deserved a warning and you had it, so you really don't need to cry about it at all. I already described why you came in here in another thread in General Section so don't need to reply the same crap again. And we are more than willing to listen your stance but not the lame copy+pasting. If you really wants to prove your stance, first prove us wrong. Prove the allegations raised against him as false. Just copy+pasting his Isnaads and the names of scholars who listens to him wont prove Dr. Padri's righteousness.

My sincere suggestion is that you need to read all the allegations raised against him and their grounds. Then go look the Shariah rulings from a reliable and unbiased source. And when you find something which justifies him, present it here and then we'll discuss whether we did a mistake or you.

This title has been given to him by Arab Scholars nd also Shah Khaki RA of Chakwaal.

The title Dr. Padri has been given to him by the great-grandson of Imam-e-Ahle'Sunnah, Mujaddid-e-Deen-o-Millat, Imam Ash'Shah Ahmed Raza KhanPosted Image, Huzoor Taaj'ush Shariah Hazrat Allama Moulana Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan al'Qadri al'Azhari, who has been recently awarded with the title of "Fakhr-e-Azhar" by the famous Al-Azhar University, been appointed & announced as Qaazi ul'Quzzat (Muslim Cheif Justice) of whole of India by Muhaddith-e-Kabir Hazrat Allama Mufti Zia ul'Mustafa Azmi sahib, about whome Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-Khatib al-Hasani (the head of Ma’had at-Tahzeeb and the ‘Orator of Damascus’) said; "Akhtaru Sayyiduna wabnu Sayyidina which means ‘Akhtar is our master and the son of our master!'.

This is a lot less than the very brief introduction with hundreds of names missing of those scholars of wrote poems in praise of Huzoor Taaj'ush Shariah. Feel free to ask for more!



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Posted 11 October 2009 - 01:14 PM

yOU HAVE COURAGE TO LISTN THE TRUTH EH!!

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE BEEN EDIING AND DELEING MY POSTS

WHERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH


I AM FEELING SORRY FOR YOU SYBARITE................


First of all, dont cry about "freedom of speech" here. Consider your presence here as a privilege not a right!

And even freedom of speech doesnt mean you can howl about lame stuff everywhere kid. You're just frustrated because you have nothing to defend your Padri now. All the lame emotional crap you've came up with so far has been denied and now when you find nothing to say in reply to that you're crying over freedom of speech! Typically Tahiri!

It's not my fault if you don't know anything about etiquettes. See you dont even know what writing in CAPS mean! And you haven't done anything yet. All you did is copy+pasting stuff from Minhajian websites which is not allowed as per the rule of this community that links and stuff from websites affliated with Dr. Padri or any other deviant is prohibited. Your only source of information is Minhajian websites which we do NOT acknowledge at all, just as we dont acknowledge Deobandi/Wahabi websites.

If you think you can answer, I've given you the simplest solution. You've pasted a long list of names who you think supports Dr. Padri. Then simply go, present Dr. Padri's views regarding Diyyat and get some officially signed and sealed verdicts in affirmation from those scholars. Can you do that kid? I even asked you some very very simple questions and still you cant answer them. Its like you probably tried to look for the answers on that same Minhajian website and that didn't help and thats why you're so frustrated. I can feel the agony!

Anyways, I am done with you as I cant really babysit a crying Tahiri. I'll talk to you when you'll make some sense and have some answers.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 08:23 PM

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Huzoor Tajush Shariah ne Tahir-ul-padri ke khelaf jo fatwa diya hai, kya uski tahriri shakal maaujood hai. Agar unki tahrir majood hai to use post kar den.Posted Image
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 11:12 AM

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HuzoorTajush Shariah ne Tahir-ul-padri ke khelaf jo fatwa diya hai, kya uskitahriri shakal maaujood hai. Agar unki tahrir majood hai to use postkar den.public/style_emoticons/default/allah_hafiz.gif


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Syyedi Taaj'ush Shariah ka bayan audio mein hai, hum ne ye isay video mein convert kar ke Youtube per lagaya tha tu sari Minhaji machinery harkat mein aa gai aur sara zorr lagwa kar uss video ko Youtube se remove karwa dya, lekin ab tak kisi maee ke laal ne jawab nahi diya.

Khair aap ki asaani ke liye mein audio files attach kar do ga, filhaal tu najanay mere network ka masla hai ya forum ka, koi bhi file attach nahi ho rahi, InshAllah jald hi attach kar do ga. Aur agar audio sunnay mein koi masla ho tu bataiye ga mein koshish kar ke jaldhi Urdu mein tehreer kar do ga lekin Syyedi Taaj'ush Shariah ki taraf se ye jawab audio mein hi hai.


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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:10 PM

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Maine Hazrat Tajush Shariah ka byan suna hai aur uski mp3 file mere pas maujood hai.
Allah tala apne habeeb sal lal laho alaihe wasallam ke sadqe hum sabhi ko Tahiri fitna se mahfooz rakhe.


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