Good research, All the names you mentioned no one knows them apart from couple in UK Allama Saqib Shami Sahib and Kazmi Sahib
I can go and past 100000s of names who come and listen to Dr Qadri around the world but please give me some authentic names.
Thanks to your forum, I have started watching his DVDs and in one of Mawlid un Nabi SAW lecture the person who looks after Roza-e-Rasool SAW came there and delivered a lecture, also Shayoukh from Syria, Egypt and many other countries. This includes Grand Imam of Jamia-e-Ummvi Damascas Shaykh Saeed Asad As Sagherji, Shaykh Al-Farfoor and many more.
What is their Aqeeda? Are they are with the same Aqeeda? The more research I am doing I find Dr Qadri is well respected around the world where as the names you have mentioned they never ever been outside their countries or even their Hujra's.
What is all this? Does any of scholars you mentioned have any?
Kindly provide me the criteria for Sunni?
What is the criteria for being Sunni?
1. If you are throwing him out of Sunniyet then you need to give reference from his lectures or books
2. The reference you quoted from newspapers and magazines, be honest with me and tell me do you trust these papers and magazines? if tomorrow I ask them to publish an article in which they praise and say he is Sunni, would you beleive that?
My dear, these references are OK for Pakistani people, I would like something from Qudwa Tul Awliya Tahir Alauddin Al-Gilani Al-Baghdadi, HUZOOR ZIA-UL-UMMAT,SHAYKH JUSTICE MUHAMMAD KARAM SHAH, AL-QURAISHI, AL-AZHARI, Mufti Sarfaraz Naeemi Sahib, Maulana Shah Ahmed Khan Noorani Sahib.
First you got to prove that no one knows the names I quoted besides the Allama Saqib Shami and Ghazali-e-Zama Allama Kazmi sahib. If you don’t know anything about them then it’s your flaw but It doesn’t prove anything.Besides, you’ve been constantly crying over the criteria of Sunni, whats your criteria of Scholars? Is it really mandatory that every Sunni Scholar has to be known by YOU or else he is not creditable enough? Later you successfully exposed your Ilmi’auqaat by saying
“…where as the names you have mentioned they never ever been outside their countries or even their Hujra's
What in the world traveling has to do with all this? I mean first of all, you claim that most of the scholars I’ve mentioned are unknown to you and then you claim to know so much about them that you even know they never ever been outside their countries or Hujra. Tahiris are funny! Let’s suppose you’re right and these scholars never stepped out of their countries or Hujra (which is not the case), but what does it proves anyways? Again, what traveling has to do with Islamic ruling? So far I haven’t seen any such Islamic ruling that a Mufti can’t become creditable enough unless he travels around the globe or so.
Since when the audience count proves anything? I mean really! Zakir Naik also has a huge audience, should we consider him a righteous Muslim now?
We are not talking about what he lectures, or where. Neither are we discussing his traveling details. We are talking about the disputed statements he made in his past. I can present you more names than you did, who listens to Dr. Padri, but again that doesn’t prove Dr. Padri to be righteous by any Shariah law. You’ve presented many names (the copied list from Minhaji site is deleted though)
. Let’s just take one of them to make it easy for you. Go and ask Shaykh Saeed as’Sagharjee about the ruling against the person who goes against the Ijma and then show us the actual signed and sealed verdict. Then we'll accept that Shaykh Saeed as'Sagharjee is in total affirmation with Dr. Padri's beliefs regarding “Diyyat”. Now it’s time to make a move and do something sensible rather than copying material from Minhaji websites and pasting them here.
Later you asked about the criteria of Sunni and I would like you to present your criteria of Sunni first, as the person we’re discussing here considers Sunnis and Shias as ONE! So I think it’s you who should be telling us about the criteria of Sunni.
WE didnt throw him out of Sunniyat. Dr. Padri himself uttered enough crap to prove himself a Gumrah. Muftiyan-e-Kiram and scholars simply judged him according to Shariah Law, and those who didnt and still attending his lectures and so, are possibly unaware of the Dr. Padri's diabolical statements. However I've already presented a simply and easy solution to figure this out. Present those statements to those scholars and get a signed and sealed verdict.
You want references from his books and lectures. Well go through the forum again,we've already provided enough references. About the references from Newspapers and Magazines, you are no one to declare them fake/tempered. If you think all those newspaper and magazines lied about Dr. Padri then why didn't Minhajul Quran International do anything against them officially. For example, a couple of months ago, I uploaded a few videos on youtube exposing the real face of Dr.Padri. The videos contained Dr. Padri's photoshoped images and thus been deleted by youtube administration because of the complaints received from Minhajul Quran International. Thats how you deny things officially. But so far Minhajul Quran never refuted any of those reports from those Newspapers and Magazines. They responded so quickly when it came to the videos I uploaded, but its been years and there is no official denial from Minhajul Quran about those Newspapers and Magazines. So stop crying over this and use your brain.
Then you want us to show you references from Qudwatul Awliya Syedna Pir Tahir Alaudding al'Gilani, Hazrat Pir Karam Ali Shah Sahib etc. This means you think of these Shuyookh as authentic. Now would you please let us know what Qudwatul Awliya Syedna Pir Tahir Alauddin al'Gilani said about praying behind deviants? Would you please let us know about the views of Hazrat Pir Karam Ali Shah Sahib, Moulana Noorani Miya regarding Deobandis and Shias? I'll wait for your reply over this. Let us all see how much you actually know about these eminent personalities.
And at last the most lamest statement you made so far that; "these references are OK for Pakistani people
". I don't know what made you say that (it's probably Padri's love)
but you seriously need help! If these references are OK for Pakistani people then please tell us why they are NOT OK for people living outside Pakistan? I mean are you trying to say that Pakistanis are some kind of special Muslims or what? Whats the difference between the Iman of Pakistani Muslims and non-Pakistanis Muslims?
I got a suggestion for you. Think before you speak.... PLEASE!
Hope its enough for the day. Your later post will be replied soon
, till then keep reading.
Here I am quoting some "authentic
" material regarding Christians and Jews and befriending with them.
Surah Baqarah, verse 120 (2:120)
'And never the Jews and Christians will be pleasedwith you unless you follow their Din (creed). Say then! 'The guidance of Allah is the only guidance', (O listener who he may be) if you become follower of their desires, after the knowledge that has come to you, then no one will be your protector from Allah and no helper.(Kanz’ul Imaan)
'Never will the Jews be pleased with you, neitherthe Christians, not until you follow their creed, their religion, Say: ‘God’s guidance, that is, Islam, is the true guidance’,besides which there is only error. And if you were (wa-la-in: the lām is for oaths) to follow their whims, hypothetically speaking, [whims] to which they are calling you, after the knowledge, the Divine revelation, that has come to you, you shall have against God neither friend, to protect you, nor helper, to defend you against Him.(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn)
'(And Jews) The Jews of Medina (will not be pleased with thee, nor will Christians) the Christians of Najran, (till thou followtheir creed) their religion and direction of prayer. (Say) O Muhammad! (Lo! The guidance of Allah is Guidance)the Religion of Allah is Islam and Allah's direction of prayer is the Ka'bah.(And if thou shouldst follow their desires) their religion and direction of prayer (after the knowledge which hath come unto thee) that the Religion of Allah is Islam and His direction of prayer is the Ka'bah, (then wouldst thou have from Allah) from His chastisement (no protecting friend) no one to benefit you (nor helper) to save you from this chastisement.(Tanwir-ul-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas) Surah al’Maidah; verse 51 (5:51)
''O believer! Do not take the Jews andChristians as friends, they are friends of each other among themselves, and whoso of you makes them his friends, then he is one of them. Undoubtedly Allah guides not the people unjust. (Kanz’ulImaan)
'O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as patrons, affiliatingwith them or showing them affection; they are patrons of each other, being united in disbelief. Whoever amongst you affiliates with them, he is one of them, counted with them. God does not guide the folk who do wrong, by affiliating with disbelievers.(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn)
'(O ye who believe!) in Muhammad and the Qur'an (Take not the Jews and Christians for friends) seekingtheir assistance and help. (They are friends one to another) He says: some are followers of the religion of others in secret and in the open, just as they are friends of each other. (He among you) O group of believers (who taketh them for friends) seeking their assistance and help (is (one) of them) in alliance and is not included in Allah's protection and safety. (Lo! Allah guideth not) to His religion and proof (wrong-doing folk) the Jews and Christians.(Tanwir-ul-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn Abbas)
'Here Allah clearly discriminated Jews and Christians from the Believers. Surah Aal-e-Imran; verse 28 (3:28)'Let not the Muslims takes infidels as theirfriends besides the Muslims and whosoever shall do that he has no connectionwith Allah, but this that have some fear of them; and Allah cautions you from His wrath; and unto Allah is there turn.(Kanz’ul Imaan)
'Let not the believers take the disbelievers aspatrons, rather than, that is, instead of, the believers — for whoever does that, that is, [whoever] takes them as patrons, does not belong to, thereligion of, God in anyway — unless you protect yourselves against them, as a safeguard (tuqātan, ‘as a safeguard’, is the verbal noun from taqiyyatan), that is to say, [unless] you fear something,in which case you may show patronage to them through words, but not in your hearts: this was before the hegemony of Islam and [the dispensation] applies to any individual residing in a land with no say in it. God warns you, He instills fear in you, of His Self, [warning] that He may be wrathful with you if you take them as patrons; and to God is the journey’s end, the return, and He will requite you.(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn) Surah Aal-e-Imran, verse 118 (3:118)
''O believers! Do not make strangers as your confidants; they leave no stone unturned in harming you. They yearn for what distresses you: Hostility appeared from their utterances and what they have concealed in their breasts is yet greater. We have made you hear Our signs clearly, if you have wisdom.(Kanz’ul Imaan)
'O you who believe, do not take as intimates, assincere friends, revealing to them your secret thoughts, anyone apart from yourselves, from among the Jews, Christians and the hypocrites; such men spare nothing to ruin you (khabālan is in the accusative because the preposition [that usually precedes it, sc. fī’l-khabāl]has been omitted), that is to say, they would not be remiss about corrupting you; they would love, they wish, for you to suffer ([al-‘anat means] extreme hardship). Hatred, enmity towards you, is revealed, it is manifested, by their mouths, by sowing discord among you and informing the idolaters of your secret[plans]; and what their breasts conceal, of enmity, is yet greater. Now We have made clear to you the signs, of their enmity; if you understand, this,then do not befriend them.(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn)
We get the following points from the quoted verses;
1. Jews and Christians will never be pleased with you, not until you follow their religion.
And the living example of this verse are those Christians who are pleased with Minhajians and Dr. Padri as they followed their religion by celebrating Christmas according to their customs.
2. Do not take the Jews and Christians as friends and the one who does, is one of them. Unless he do it for guarding himself from any possible danger from empowered Jews/Christians.
In Kanz’ul Imaan this is declared to be a “Hukm-e-Aam
”, however the verse revealed for a particular event.
3. Jews and Christians are not Believers.
Whereas your Padri claims them to be Believers. The Christians believes Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam) to be the son of God. Trinity, the Christian belief that God is one Being
made up of three distinct Persons
who exist in co-equal, co-eternal communion as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Now take a look at Ahadith;Narrated Abu Hurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend.(Sunan Abi Dawud, Book 41: Kitab-ul-Adab, Number4815)Narrated Ibn Abbas:
As We sent down (the Scripture) on those who are divided (Jews and Christians)." (15.90) They believed in part of it and disbelieved in the other, are the Jews and the Christians. the Christians.(Sahih Bukhari, Kitaab-ut’Tafsir, Book 60, Number 229)
'Amr b. 'As reported:
'I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) quite audibly and not secretly: Behold! the posterity of my fathers,that is, so and so, are not my friends. Verily Allah and the pious believers are my friends.(Sahih Muslim, Kitab-ul-Imaan, Bab’ Mawalatil Momineen, Number 0417)Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Umar expelled the Jews and the Christians from Hijaz. When Allah's Apostle had conquered Khaibar, he wanted to expel the Jews from it as its land became the property of Allah, His Apostle, and the Muslims. Allah's Apostle intended to expel the Jews but they requested him to let them stay there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits. Allah's Apostle told them, "We will let you stay on thus condition, as long as we wish."So, they (i.e. Jews) kept on living there until 'Umar forced them to go towards Taima' and Ariha'.(Sahih Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Muza’raat,Number 531) Narrated'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:
On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done.(Sahih Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib, Number 660)
We learn that;
1. A man follows the religion of his friend, so one should be careful whom he makes his friend.
2. Christians and Jews believed some part of the scriptures sent down on them and disbelieved in some, and thus disbelievers.
3. Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) said that so and so (the disbelievers) are not my friends but Allah and the believers.
4. Hazrat Umar Farooq (Radi Allahu Anhu) forcibly expelled the Christians and Jews from Arab peninsula.
5. Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) said; "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets
" as they do Shirk by associating partners with Allah and that is disbelieving in the concept of Tawheed.