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#1 fikar_e_akhirat

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:54 PM

asalamalekum moaziz musalman bhaeeyon or behnoo


abhe kuch arasa pehlay tv per barar zor o shor say ksis marhoom ki dead body ko video screen per dikhaya ja raha tah or subhanallah k naroo say faza buland horahee the

bay shak allah hi ki zat hay jis nay yeh zindagee de phir muath dee .

bat kkuch u hay k hamray pyaray bhaeeyon nay is wakeea ko ek moajza samhaj leya jo k kahlisatan ek chemistry k shandar muzahira tha.

qadeem misr k log mummification ka process apnaya kertay thay lekin un ka aqeedq kharab tha who yeh samhaj bethay thay k mauth k bad un ko nae zindagee di jaee ge or phir say apni zindgaee shan o shokat say apnay store keya hoay mal k sath dobara istemal kersakain gay .

dosri taraf musalmano k sardar thay jinhon nay sab ko andheeron say nikla ker roshni ke taraf rukh mora.
unho nay pura ek zab ita hayat insaneeyat ko deya .

jis man say ek amal murday ki tadfeen hay .

ek hadees yahan quote kerna zaroori samjhunga takay agay bat kernay or samjhnaay main asani ho.

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Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 344
Narrated Um 'Atiyya al-Ansariya:

Allah's Apostle came to us when his daughter died and said, "Wash her thrice or five times or more, if you see it necessary, with water and Sidr and then apply camphor or some camphor at the end; and when you finish, notify me." So when we finished it, we informed him and he gave us his waist-sheet and told us to shroud the dead body in it"

ab is hadees ko zehan main rakhatay hoay bat ko agay barhata hun .

misr k log jo chemicals istemal keya kertay thay usmain say ek chemical camphor jisay ham apni zaban main kafoor kehtay hain .

or is preservation ya storage process ko mummification ya embalming bhi kehtay hain .

"Embalming affects the process, slowing it somewhat, but does not forestall it indefinitely. Embalmers typically pay the greatest attention to the parts of the body seen by mourners, such as the face and hands. The chemicals that are used in embalming will repel most insects, and slow the process of bacterial putrefaction (the embalming fluid acts to "fix" cellular proteins which means that they cannot act as a nutrient source for bacteria and it also kills the bacteria themselves), but will not preserve a corpse indefinitely"

yeh who tareeka kar hay jis ko aj say 14 sadi pehlay allah k nabi nay dobara zinda keya lekin ek daira k andar....or maqsad bhi laganay k yehi tha k mayyat ki tadfeen k waqt jo hazrat tazeeyat o akhri deedar k leya ae way hain to un k us waqt tak body mehfooze reh sakay us k bad deedar k amal k bad mayyat ko lehad main utar deya jata hay or qabar band kerdi jati hay .

allah k nabi ka koi bhi kam koi bhi amal hikmat say khalee nahee.

misr k log fully preservation technique istemal kertay thay jis main quantity zyada hoti the or khas box hota tha khas pateeyan istemal hoti the q k jitna jaldi body dehydrate hoge utna achee who bohdy presevre hoge aj bhi agar ap garam ragistani ilaqoon main dekhain to ap ko mayyat ki condition kuch u hi milay ge.

ab mujhay nahee pata k mufti sahab ki qabar jahan mojood hay who kitna tightly packed hay or un ki ghusl k waqt un per kitna itar or kitna kafoor lagaya gaya jis say un ki body salmat reh gaee.

lekin bat yeh hay k yeh deen nahee hay .
jis tarah say log is wakeea ko nashar ker rahay hain is say logon k aqaid main kharabi arahee.
is say ap yeh proove nahee kersaktay k app hi sahih mazhabper hain or agla badmazhab hay .

na to yeh allah k rasool ki shan hay or na ashiq e rasool ki shan hay k who kisi per badmazhab honay k tag lagaee or is wakeea ko lay ker apni mazhabeeyat ki wah wah or haq honay ki daleel day balkay agar usay lagta hay k koi galat rah per hay to us ko samjhaee(Amar bil maroof or nahi ###### munkir) na k us k band bajaee.


allah behtar janta hay ...lekin jis cheeze k darmeeyan aj ummat main ikhtelaf hay us k faisal allah k han hojaee ga lekin khuda k leya aqal k istemal kerain or esi behuda baton say perhaiz kerain jo aj k ek parhay likhay insan per musalman honay main rukawat banay.



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#2 Qadri Sultani

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 04:06 PM

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Janab Fikar e Akhrat Sb.before going to discuss the process of mummification,I would like to ask some questions to u..
1.What is the difference between Mojza and karamat??
2.As u have mentioned that is this the chemical process and this is due to the camphor,but according to physical chemeistry its half life is about 90 to 160 minutes.And for your information grave of Hazrat Mufti Sb.was dug up after three and half year,then how how such an agent that has very short half life preserved the body for such a long time???
3.If u have seen the video,then u will come to know that the colour of the Kafan of bright white.Is there any property of camphor that it protects the colour changes of the clothes????

When u will give the answers of these questions then after this we will discuss the process of mummification,how it is done,which are the agents that are used in mummification,which type of environment is required for this whole process???And after discussing all these things we will conclude either this is a chemical process or this is the Miracle of Almighty Allah.

Waiting for your reply.

fi-aman:
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Posted 08 August 2009 - 11:00 PM

asalamalkeum dr sahab

jazakallah for your positive response
umeed hay ap say bat kernay main inshallah bohat say ilmi pehlu samnay ajengay .
ap nay mojazay ki bat ki hay or karamat ki .

mojaza jis ki koi islami tabeer nahee hay lekin phir bhi yeh jo kuch hay anbeeya k hath per ronuma hota hay or is ki mazeed detail main ap ko neechay tafseel say dunga or karamt so called waleeyon k hath pay hoti hay jin ko main siray say nahee manta .

ap bay shak mantay hongay q k ap nay apnay ehal e ilm say sun rakha hay ya phir ap nay apni barhana ankho say dekha hay to is ka koi suboot mujhay dain or jahan tak mufti sahab ki qabar ki bat hay to ap k pas koi esi video hay jo clear hay q k menay jitny videos dekhi hain us main na un ki ankh dikhae na un k cheera dikhaya na un k baal dikhaee.....kapray ki bat jahan tak hay to who to sadeeyon tak reh sakta hay or body bhi it depends upon conditions.
or agar ap yeh kehtay hay k mujhay ulema nay bataya hay to maf kejeya ga ap ka ehl e ilm akhri masoom nahee hay .

akhree masoom nabi saw ki zat hay or is k ilawa koi akhri masoom nahee or na hi hazrat omer abu bakr ya hazrat usman ya hazrat ali k hath pay koi karamat sabit hay agar hay to us per bhi main inshallah ilmi guftugoo kernay ko tayar houn
akhri masoom ka matlab ap samhaj gaen hongay.(khata sa baree)
ab ham moajzay ki taraf rukh ker letay hain .

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yeh to hogae mojazay ki bat umeed hay ap is say itefaq kerian gay .

ab lagay hato main yeh soch raha hun k ap ko decompostion ki detail bhi day dun q k meray pas waqt ki kamee rehti hay .

ap mashallah dr hain umeed hay ap diyanat daree say kam lengay or haq bat k sath kabhee nahee chorain gay or main bhi esa hi kerunga inshallah.




Decomposition

is the reduction of bodies and other formerly living organisms into simpler forms of matter; and most particularly to the fate of the body, after death. The science which studiesdecomposition generally is called taphonomy.(please dr sahib do study taphonomy…yar mujhay yeh sab detail detay hoay ajeeb sa mehsoos horaha hay k ape k doctor hotay hoay in batoo permunazra ker rahay hain jo khud ap nay dekha nahee kahlee video per bharosa keya …logonk rush per bharosa key…ulema per bharosa keya)

The rate and the manner in which a human or animal body decomposes is strongly affected by a number of factors. In a roughly descending degree of importance, those factors include:
Temperature
Access by insects
Burial, and depth of burial
Access by carnivores or rodents <Trauma, including wounds and crushing blows
Humidity, or dryness (this could probably the major factor..jitni body dry hoge utna late decomposition hoga)
Rainfall
Body size and weight
Prior embalming (prior embalming to ap samhaj hi gae hongay …..camphor treatment) Clothing(log to khalii kafan detay hain ap k han access imama bhi deya jata hay ..may be that is the casue of his face lekin phir bhi who clear nazar nahee aya )
  • The surface the body rests on
Decomposition begins at the moment of death. At this stage it is caused by two factors: autolysis(do study autolysis in detail)

In chemistry, autolysis is the production of a substance which catalyses the reaction it was made in.

In cell biology, autolysis is the destruction (or lysis) of a cell by its own enzymes., the breaking down of tissues by the body's own internal chemicals and enzymeAn enzyme is a protein, or protein complex, that catalyzes a chemical reaction. Like any catalyst, enzymes work by lowering the activation energy of a reaction, thus allowing the reaction to proceed to its steady state or completion much faster than it ots; and putrefaction .Putrefaction is the decomposition of proteins, especially by anaerobic microorganisms. The result is usually amines such as putrescine and cadaverine, which have a putrid odor.

Putrefaction is a necessary part of human, the breakdown of tissues by bacteria. These processes release gas For other meanings see gas (disambiguation). A gas is one of the phases of matter. Gases are, like liquids, fluids: they have the ability to flow and do not resist deformation. Unlike liquids, however, unconstrained gases do not occupy a fixed volume, butes that are the chief source of the characteristic odour of dead bodies.

Insects and other animals are typically the next agent of decomposition, assuming the body is accessible to them.

The most important insects that are typically involved in the process include the fleshfliesFleshflies : Animalia : Arthropoda : Insecta : Diptera : Brachycera : Muscomorpha Sarcophagidae Subfamilies Miltogramminae Sarcophaginae Fleshflies family Sarcophagidae are insects that are often mistaken for common houseflies, although they are somewhat ( Sarcophagidae) and blowfliesBlowflies Scientific classification Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Arthropoda Class: Insecta Order: Diptera Suborder: Brachycera Infraorder: Muscomorpha Family Calliphoridae Subfamilies Calliphorinae Chrysomyiinae The Blowflies are members of the family Callip ( Calliphoridae). The green-bottle fly seen in the summer is a blowfly.

Other animals, including coyotes, dogs, wolves, foxes, rats, and mice may eat a body if it is accessible to them. Some of these animals will also remove and scatter bones.

Embalming(is ka main pehlay zikar ker chukka hun ) affects the process, slowing it somewhat, but does not forestall it indefinitely. Embalmers typically pay the greatest attention to the parts of the body seen by mourners, such as the face and hands. The chemicals that are used in embalming will repel most insects, and slow the process of bacterial putrefaction,

but will not preserve a corpse indefinitely.(YEH TO MENAY BHI NAHEE KAHA K MOLANA PRESERVE KEYA GAE HAIN).



In sufficiently dry environments, an embalmed body may end up mummified.

AB BOHAT IMPORTANT POINT ARAHA HAY IS KO NOTE DOWN KERLAIN .

The time for the reduction of an embalmed body to be reduced to a skeleton varies greatly. An unembalmed adult body buried six feet deep in ordinary soil without a coffin normally takes ten to twelve years to decompose fully to a skeleton, given a temperate climate.

AB AP YEH MAT KAHEEYA GA KHUDA K WASTAY K YEH JHOOT HAY.

THIS IS PURE CHEMSITRY BHAI .YEH ALLAH KA NIZAM HAY .



BHAI KON HAY JO APNAY MURDAY NIKAL NIKAL K CHECK KERTA HAY

AYE AB DEKHAIN PANI KYA KAM DIKHATA HAY

Immerse the body in water, and skeletonization occurs approximately four times faster;

expose it to air, and it occurs eight times faster.(HAM TO QABROO KO MAZAR BAN ) HAWA JANAY KA TO SAWAK HI PEDA NAHEE HOTA .

Bodies exposed to cool, damp soil (COOL DAMP SOIL KA MATLAB HAY GEELI MATII)may develop a waxy substance called adipocere, caused by the action of soil chemicals on the body's proteins and fats. The formation of adipocere slows decomposition by inhibiting the bacteria that cause putrefaction.



DOST JAB PUTERFACTION NAHEE HOGA TO BODY BHI DECOMPOSE HONAY MAIN TIME LAGAEE GE.



BHAI YEH EK MUSLIMA HAQEEQAT HAY AGAR IS K BAD BHI AP MUJH SAY BEHAS PAY AMADA REHAINGAY YA MUJHAY BHI BAD MAZHAB KAHAINGAY TO AP KA OR HAMARA FAISLA KHUDA PER HAY .

Various sciences study the decomposition of bodies. These sciences fall under the general rubric of forensics, because the usual motive for study of the decomposition of humanbodies is to determine the time and cause of death, for legal purposes:


Edited by fikar_e_akhirat, 08 August 2009 - 11:19 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2009 - 11:12 PM

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(salam)
Janab Insha Allah AzzaWajal aap k questions ka jald he detail main jawab dia jay ga.Aur rahy bat Video daikhnay ke tu janab main nain daikhy hay aur un logo say bhe bat hui hay jinhon nain yeh sab process live daikha hay AlhamdoLillah.

Aap nain tu Forensic Medicine start kar de hay laikan janab is ko samjanay ke try b karain keh kya yeh sara procees deals with post mortal(after death conditions) say related hay aur is ke buhat se examples hain is dunya main.Baharhal jab time mila jawab mil jay ga aap ko Insha Allah


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Posted 08 August 2009 - 11:25 PM

SALAM DR SAHAB

YAR APNAY BAREE AJEEB BAT KE HAY K MENAY FORENSIC SCINCES START KERDI HAY

AP NAY LAG RAHA HAY YEH POST SAR SAREE SI PARHEE YA AP PARHANA NAHEE CHATAY YA GHOR NAHEE KERNA CHATAY JABHEE AP NAY MERAY UPER ILZAM DAHR DEYA .

AP ZARA GHOR SAY UPER PURA PLAIN DECOMPOSTION PROCEESS DEKHAY MENAY POST EDIT KI HAY BEECH MAIN LINKS AGAE SYAHAD YEH WAJA HI K AP KO SAMHAJ MAIN NA AE .

AP K SAWAL KA MENAY JAAWAB BHI DAY DEYA HAY EAGRDING MOAJZA.

MERAY NAZDEEK DEEN KI SOURCE QURAN OR RASOOLALLAH KI ESTABLISHED SUNNAT HAY .

APP K NAZDEEK DEEN KI SOURCES KYA HAIN

ABHE AGAR AP ONLINE HAIN TO MUJHAY APNAY JAWAB SAY NAWAZIN.

MAINYAHEEN INTEZAR KER RAHA HUN .

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 11:31 PM

SALAM AGAIN EK BAT OR YAD AGAE

AP NAY KHUD HI EK BAT KA IQRAR KER LEYA K AP NAY VIDEO NAHEE DEKHI LEKIN SUNA TO DR SAHAB AP TO MASHALLAH PARHAY LIKHAY



"JIS BAT KI TUJHAY KHABAR NA HO US K PECHAY MAT PAR.Q K KAN OR ANKH OR DIL IN MAIN SAY HAR EK SAY POOCH GAHCH HONAY WALI HAY "

SURAH BANI ISRAEL AYAT NO 36.





Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
O People who Believe! Avoid excessive assumptions; indeed assumption sometimes becomes a sin, and do not seek faults, and do not slander one another; would any one among you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? So you will hate that! And fear Allah; indeed Allah is Most Acceptor of Repentance, Most Merciful.

surah hujrat ayat no 12



Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
O People who Believe! If any miscreant brings you some tidings, verify it, lest you unknowingly cause suffering to some people, and then remain repenting for what you did.

surah hujrat ayat no 6

is k baray main ap ki kya rai hay ?


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 10:10 AM

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Muhtram Janab Fikar e Akhrat Sb.main nain tu kaha tha keh discussion positive meanings main ho ge laikan aap nain apnay reply main kuch aisa likh dia jis ka is nacheez nain bilkul tazkira tak nahi kia.
Insha Allah from my side the discussion will be in complte positive sense.Iwill try to explain all these processes that u have written above,there application and at last there will be conclusion.

1.Meray muhtram bhai sab say pehlay is nacheez nain aap say 3 questions kia thay jis ka aap nain sirf words main jawab dia hay na keh scientifically.Aap nain Mojza ke definition kon se tafseer say ke na is ka hawala dia.(Aap Aulia Allah ko nahi mantay tu aap Hadees Sharif ka siray say inkar kar rahay hain keh jis ka mafhoom hay keh jis nain meray Wali k saath adawat rakhy tu Main(Allah)us k against alan e jang karta hon.)

2.Aap nain apni pehli post main Camphor ka zikar kia tha tu janab main nain aap say is ke half life ko samnay rakhtay huay aik question kia tha laikan aap nain words main he is ka jawab irshad farmaya na keh koi scientifically bat quote ke.Halan keh Camphor ka kaam Mummification main sirfa Aromatizing k lia kia jata hay.Preservation k lia aur buhat say chemicals use kia jatay hain.

3.Third question main aap say araz kia gya tha keh clothes par kya effect hay Camphor ka??Keh kya yeh colour preservator bhe hay laikan aap nain is ka jawab yeh dia keh yeh sab condition par depend karta hay tu janab araz hay keh Qabar main tu sab aisi conditions hoty hain keh jis ke wajah say clothes completely destroy ho jain.Complete air tight,no light,warm temperature......

Janab abhi aap par yeh questions udhar hain,kyon keh aap nain apni pehli post main emphasize kia tha just camphor ko.Mummification tu aik separate process hay.Aap nain apni post main refrenc dia tha Egypt walon ka tu janab un ka mummification wala procees zara study ke jia ga keh woh kaisay yeh sara process kartay thay.Phir baad main is topic par aay ga.

fi-aman:


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 10:15 AM

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Janab e Wala aap nain likha keh shayad main nain aap ke post nahi pary tu janab araz hay keh main nain aap ke sary post pary hay.Aur rahay bat Forensic ke tu janab yeh hay he Forensic wala topic is main aur kon se branch aaty hay.

Abhi aap say araz hay keh pehlay aap Forensic Medicine ke koi b book lain us main Death walay chapter main jayn aur jo changes after death hoty hay un ko zara detail main parain.Baad main is topic par aur discuss karain gay......


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 10:20 AM

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Janab e Mann main nain kab araz kia keh main nain yeh video nahi daikhy?????Main nain yeh bhe araz kia hay keh main nain un logon say bhee poocha jo wahan present thay.Aur video tu main nain bar bar daikhy hay.Yeh alag bat hay keh main Karachi main nahi tha.

Aur janab humray nazdeek b Deen ka Source Quran aur Hadees hay.Agar aap k nazdeek Quran aur Hadees source hay tu janab Munkar e Aulia kyon hain????


Abhi janab main bilkul is topic ke taraf aaya he nahi keh yeh process Mummification walah hay ya koi miracle hay.Insha Allah jab aap mujay meray questions ka jawab inayat farmayn gay tu phir hum dono discuss karain gay is topic par.


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 05:50 PM

salam

sab say pehli bat main munazray ki neeyat say bilkul is website pay nahee hun meray nazdeek jo haq hay us ka view main ap ko day raha hun .

no ek k main apnay ghar say koi bat nahee ker raha ya phir na main khud koi scienctist hun han science ka student zaroor hun.

ap pay mujhay khuda ki qasam herat hoti hay k who konse cheeze hay jo ap ko iqrar say rok rahee hay ????

ap to phir mashallah parhay likhay hain jo itni bat ker rahay hain weerna ap k sathee suntay hi kufur ka fatwa laga detay hain .


janab dr sahab main gurantee say kehta hun balkay allah ki qasam kha k kehta hun k ya to ap samhaj gae hain or iqrar kernay say katra rahay hain ya phir apnay taqleed ka kulada pehan rakha hay or qasam khae hay k mufti sahab k sath mojaza hua hay ya phir ap had-dharmee main lagay hoay hain .

forensic science ek bilkul alag chapter hay for your kind information .
mojazay ki definition bohat hi simple hay or bohat hi asan hay is say asan rasta meray pas na tha or mujhay hawala denay ki zaroorat nahee .
main hawal denay waloon ko kabhee samnay nahee rakhta jis ehal e ilm ki bat aqal tasleem keray who manta hun .




Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
Proclaim, "This is my path - I call towards Allah; I, and whoever follows me, are upon perception; and Purity is to Allah - and I am not of the polytheists." y surah yousuf ayat no 108

allah k nabi khud daleel ki bunyad per bula rahay hain yahan yeh bat zehan main rakhain .
us k bad aulia allah ki bat per ata hun

yeh allah nay q farmaya (keep in mind k allah k nabi akhri masoom hain )



Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
O mankind, follow what has been sent down to you from your Lord, and do not follow other administrators, abandoning this (the Holy Qur’an); very little do you understand.

surah eraf 3

yahan arabi mainlafz e aulia ka zikar hua hay .

aulya or sufi ko main ek hi maina main leta hu.

rasoolallah k zamanay main sufiyon ka taswar bhi n ahee tha
yeh 150 ijri man lafz sunay ko mila.
pehla sufi ya aulya bhi main ap ko batat chalo ...........abu hashim usman bin shareek death period 160 hijri.
us k bad jabir bin hayan..ibn e alavi......ibn e bashar khurasani........

ashab e sufha say ap waqffeyat rakhtay hongay

yahan chand sahab darawehoo ki zindage guzar rahay tha to is sufha say bhi sufism extract keya gaya .
lekin yeh khaayl dursut nahee k sahab darwesh thay balkay who mujhaidana zndge guzar rahay thay.


yeh theory arab main iran say ae hay taswauf k almost saray silsilay hazrat ali say jamiltay hain.yeh to ghaneemat hay werna to rasoolallah ko sab pehla sufi mantay.
ap main ghaliban 4 peer hain or 14 silsilay ginwae jatay hain .

hazrat ali
khwaja hasan basree
khwaj ahabeeb ajmi
peer abdul wahid bin zaid allkarkhee.

is k 14 kanwaday hain

silisa habibi
bastami
saqtee
firdausi
suher wardee
ghayazii
chisti
tughyoree
karkhee
gazrawanee
tutrosee
zaidi
adhamee
tastaree


in k ilawa bhi hay qadreeya naqshabndeee etc etc

yeh sab kuch rasoolallah k dor e hayat main nahee tha

na hi mazarat ka koi silsila tha.

jhoootay man garhay waqeeat say main panah manat hun jhote karaat say main panah mangat hun .
jo cheeze many apni ankho say nahee dekhi us per main yaqeen kernay say panah mangat hun .

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:07 PM

janab dr sahab

yeh to sirasar na insafee hay

ap nanay bachay to nahee jo begair parhay mujh per ilzam laga rahay haink menay ap ki post ka jawab nahe deya.

inshort main phr bata deta hun

jahan tak kaproo ki bat hay to menay kaproo ka issu uthaya hi nahee k kapray khatam q naheeh oay .


ap q jahilna batay ker rahay hain k q zid per utray hoay hain .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic (an easiset link for you werna net to bhara para hay )
yeh ap k leya forensic ka chapter hay
and by the way forsenic is a science terminolgy for studies its a subject of investigation not the study of decompostion.

decompostion ek alag chapter hay totally different studies.

agar nahee to ap sabi t kernay main dair q laga rahain hain ap to dr hain ap farar ki rah ikhteyar kertay hay khalee lafzoo say khel rahay hain na kay mujhay asal jawab day rahay hain or khelain bhi q na is main to ap nay masters keya wa hay .

agar esa nahee hay to ab next post main detailed jawab or apna view bhi zahir kerain .

janab mera bhi haq hay k meray sawalat k jawab deya jaen .

menay ap say pocha video ka link dain jis mains ab clear ho ap nay who bat ghuma dee.

menay kaha video main na chera dikhaya na jism dikhaya ap ko menay quran ki ek wazeh ayat bh pasih kerdi hay .


main nahee kehta kernay wala fasiq hay lekin itn zaroor kahung ga k taqleed k putla hay aqeedat ka mar hua hay .

or ap nay to had hi kerdi k bina dekhay bina samjhay hi itmenan ker leya or dhoom macha dee.

kher meri posts k phir ghor say parheeya ga ek wakt main ek dsc hosakta hay ap mix ap ker rahay hain har bat ko alehda alehda dsc kerain .

ap nay yeh bara acha formula banaya hay k nacha na janay angan tera.

phelay tom sawal ka jawab do hay to main dunga ....wah janab yeh kaha k insaf hay jis ko jo ata hay who hazir keray kesay menay keya na k menay yeh keh deya k ap parhain ja kaya menay to ab ko khuli defintion day dalee hay ap nay us k against main koi technical bat nahee ke ya phir ap mashawar ker k jawab daingay .


chalain mainintezar kerunga


allah hafiz

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 06:20 PM

han sir ek bat or yad aee


bhaee jan main foresnic wala chapter q kholon mujhay koi investigation kerni hay kya mufti sahab ki k un ka inteqal esay hoa kab hua kitna kapra un k jism pay thay .


bhai meray decompostion itself is a pure chemical process....

or rahe bat forensic ki to who ek alag chapter hay . its a complete research programme not a process mind it sir .

it is done on human remains who alag bat hay k research kernay wala body farming kerta hay phir apni forencis reearch kerta hay lekin body farming man body decompostion process hota hay jis say yeh panay results letay hain na k yeh khud beth k decompostion kertay hain .


wasaalam.

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 08:01 PM

(bis)
(salam)
Muhtram Janab Fikar e Aakhrat Sb.sab say pehlay tu main aap ko link send kar daita hon jaisa keh aap nain kaha keh aap us bat ko ghuma gay ho.
http://www.dawateisl.../2009/782-0.wmv

Aur main nain tu yeh link is lia nahi post kia tha keh is forum main yeh videos aur pics pehlay b mojod thay laikan aap nain daikhnay ke shayad zehmat he nahi ke.

Janab e Aali main kon hota hon kisi par Fatwa laganay wala laikan yeh kam humaray Ulma e Haq aur Muftian e Karam ka hay.Munazra tu janab yeh nacheez b nahi kar raha aur na he hat dharmi kar raha hay.

1.Janab aap zara apni pehli post parhya jis main aap nain bar bar Camphir ka zikar kia hay..Tu janab main nain aap say kuch questions kia thay laikan abhi tak aap nain in ka jawab nahi dia.Decomposition wali bat tu aagay aay ge janab.

Aap nain kapray ka zikar kia tha apni second post main keh it depends upon conditions.Tu janab decomposition k lia aur kon se conditions available honay chahyain????


Aap ka agla aitraz keh kisi nain mouth ka koi dosra organ nahi daikha tu is ka jawab aap ko milta hay ab!!!!!!!


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 08:16 PM

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Meray muhtram dost main nain aap ko Forensic ka death wala chapter is lia kaha tha study karnay ko keh aap ko yeh maaloom ho jata keh Decomposition ka Forensic say kya relation hay.Chalain khair ab zara note ke jia ga yeh cheezain.

Jo changes death k baad aaty hain hum un ko 3 parts main divide kartay hain.\

1.Immediate Changes
2.Early Changes
3.Late changes

Now we will discuss each of these changes and then we will discuss what is the relation of decomposition to Forensic.

1.Immediate Changes:::
Yeh woh changes hain jo keh death k foran baad hoty hain e.g
1.Insensibility and loss of voluntary power
2.Cessation of respiration
3.Cessation(Stoppage)of circulation

These are immediate changes...

2.Early Changes::::
1.Loss of elasticity
2.Changes in eyes
3.Cooling of body
4.Rigor mortis
These are some of early changes...

3.Late Changes:::
1.Putrifaction..This is also known as DECOMPOSITION
2.Adipocere
3.Mummification

Tu janab according to the definition of Forensic Medicine kya Decomposition ka relation hua ya na hua Forensic say????

Ab aap nain yeh kaha keh yeh procees jo keh hum abhi yahan discuss kar rahay hain is ka koi relation he nahi hay Forensic say tu janab araz hay keh yeh Chemistry ka lago karna body par yeh sab process after death he kia ja raha hay ya kisi zinda aadami par???Aur hum discuss bhi aisa topic kar rahay hain keh human body par kya process hua aur investigate kar rahay hain keh jaisa aap nain kaha keh yeh sab chemistry hay tu janab zara is par discuss tu karain na.......

Jab aap kisi ke Qabar kushay kartay hain kisi rule k tehat tu aap kon se team ko bulatay hain???Forensic ko he na????Tu janab yahan bhe yeh he process chal raha hay.....


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 08:59 PM

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Ab hum sirf un phases par discuss karain gay jin ka is topic say relation hay.

1.Putrifaction or Decomposition.

Yeh woh process hay jis main complex organic molecules ka breakdown hota hay aur woh simple inorganic molecules main convert hotay hain.Yeh sara process enzymes ke presence main hota hay.Yeh enzymes decomposers produce kartay hain jo keh Bacteria ya Fungi.Ya yeh process autolysis ke wajah say hota hay.

Ab is process ko hum 4 phases main divide kartay hain.
1.Change in colour
2.Deveolopment of foul smelling
3.Appearance of maggots
4.Colliquative putrifaction

Tu janab hum bas aaj isi par discuss karain gay.Adipocere aur Mummification baad main.

1.Change in colour:::Janab main is detail main nahi jaon ga ka yeh process kaisay hota hay aur is main kaisay changes aaty hain.Bas aap bar bar yeh question kar rahay hain keh decomposition???Tu janab aap say aik question keh kya aap nain ghor say video daikhy hay jis main Hazrat Mufti Sb. ke paishani dikhay gay hay.Kya us main aap ko koi colour changes nazar aay???AlhamdoLillah mujay tu koi aisi bat nazar nahi aay.Aur according to Shahzada e Attar Hazrat Haji Ubaid Raza Attari keh unhon nain aisi chamak daikhy paishani par jo keh cameray main nazar nahi aay.
Ab aap ke decomposition ka pehla step tu wrong sabit ho gya.

2.
Development of foul smelling:::Janab jab decomposition star hoty hay tu tissues ke breakdown ke wajah say foul smell appear hoty hay.

Ab aap say aik question janab..Kya is video main aap nain kisi ko nose par haath rakhtay huay daikha ya smell ke wajah say kisi ko vomiting kartay daikha????Aap kisi say b pooch lain keh kya us ko koi smell feel hui???

Janab aap ke decomposition wala dosra step b ghalat ho gya....

3.Appearance of maggots:::Janab e aali jab foul smell ho ge tu fly tu move karay ge na wahan smell ke taraf..Jab move karay ge tu apni breeding b karay ge jis ke wajah say is k developmenatl phases k doran sab say pehlay maggots phir pupa aur baad main larva main convert ho ge.Tu janab aap koi b aisi shahadat dikhayn jis main aap ko koi batay keh us nain wahan maggots daikhay????

Janab e Aali is say aap ke decomposition wala teesra step bhi ghalat sabat ho gya.

4.Colliquative liquifaction:::Janab yeh decomposition ka last step hay.Is main body semi solid condition main convert hoty hay.Thorax burst ho jata hay.Abdomen burst ho jata hay.Janab jab pehli stages he nahi hui aur na daikhnay ya sun nay main mili hain tu yeh stage kahan say aay ge..

Decomposition ke 4th stage b ghalat proof ho gay.....


Janab aap ko kapron ka bhi jawab mil gya.

Aap nain Sufia k baray main kuch likha tu janab humara yahan topic Aulia Allah aur Sufia e Karam nahi hain.Agar aap ko in par discuss karnay ka shoq hay tu aik separate topic pehlay say mojood hay aap us par jayn wahan par lain.Main nain wahan kafi jawab day dia hua hay pehlay b is topic par.


Laikan aap par meray sawal abhi kuch udhar hain.
Effect of Camphor jaisa keh aap nain sab sa pehli post main zikar he is ka kia hay....Is ka jawab abhi tak nahi aaya?????
Clothes par is ka kya effect hay us ka jawab aap nain kuch b nahi dia.Sirf apnay words main he is ka jawab dia na keh scientifically....

Janab main nain Aulia Allah k baray main aik Hadees Sharif paish ke jis ka aap nain jawab na dia......

Ab Adipocere aur Mummification ko discuss tab karain gay jab aap in sab cheezon ka jawab dain gay.
Na mujhay koi hat dharmi hay aur na koi aur bat.Janab aap nain bat he ghalat ke hay tu is ka jawab tu aap ko daina hay.

Aap nain wikipedia ka link send kia tu janab araz hay keh jab hum apni books free ho jaun gay tu tab is ko parain gay.Is lia aap plz pehlay book ko study karain baad main net ko use karain.



Aap k jawab ka intizar rahay ga.


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Posted 10 August 2009 - 10:40 PM

salam dr sahab

jazakallah 4 u response

kher dost ap bat ko sahee tareekay say samhaj nahee parahay hay lihaza main short to cut formula apnata hun

jo chezain ap nay likhi who nae nahee .

yeh to clear bat hay k forensic studies ek science ki field hay is ka to ab bhi inkar nahee kertay

or decompostion is itself a process .

menay forensic ka discussion nahee keya yeh ap nay bat ko uljhanay k leya keya or menay pehlay hi kaha tah k ap bat ghumana janatay hay jesa k ap mummifictaion k pechay paray hoay jis per menay koi issue nahee uthaya .han ek example de hay .


ap nay jo miove link deya hay who bohat bara hay
menay socha k yeh link main ap ko send kerdu jo easy hay or shayad ap is k inkar nahe keraingay



is link main ap zara ghor say dekh ker yeh bataen k mufti sahab ka imama or body kitni nazar araheehay
orkya yeh mitii main atee hue nahee hay .

actual bat yeh hay k maza tab ae jab ek ek cheeze wazih dikhaee jae

kher
ishi video main ap dekhain k hazrat farama rahay hain k "yeh dekhain 2 islami bhai hain jo peshani ka ishara ker rahay hay jo k khalistana ek screen per dikhaya ja raha hay

phir shezaday bhai ko pehsani per noor bhi nazar agaya jo camera main nazar nahe aya subhanallah .

yeh to puri film hogae puree .

ap nay jitni batain ki sab qayas per kerin hain .

koi bat ko apnay apni aknho say nahee dekha khalee andha etibar keya.


deknay walo nay jo bhi dekha who yeh nahe kahay ga k badboo arahee the ya kya araha tha. sab andhee aqeedat hay .


main allah or us k rasool ki qasam kha ker kehta hun k ek admi agar mayat ko is halat main daikh lay to us ko subhanallah kehnay k bajaee hazrat roongaty kharay hojatay hain ....usko who shaks who mayat apni baree ki yad dilatee hay na k faizan lenay ki mojaza k batanay ki ......

ek or munafiqat janab k one of the hazrat saying k parda kerna chayea qabar kushayee k waqt
janab in logo nay wahan to parda ker leya ...ap plz khulay zehan say aqeedat ka chsmha utar ker haq bat k sath to dain janab khuda k leya.

k yahan to parda ker leya lekin wahan sab screen pay diha deya movie bana le yeh munafiqat q ?

yeh kya hay sab ....

or ek bat or janab k adipocere jab form hojata hay to decompostion slow hojatee hay

no 2 menay pehlay bhi apni post main likh tha k decomposition stronlgy depends on climatic conditions temprature air tight enviornment etc etc .

kher chalain ap ki agle post ka intezar main bhi dekhta hun ap kahan tak defend ker saktay hain

yaqeen janeya haq bat allah ko bohat pasand hay

yahan main jeetnay nahee aya na app jeetnay ae hain .

ham haq janay k leya yeh sab ker rahay hain .




hahah i am watcing the video plz dont mind jab ap jesa parha likha esa ker sakta hay to phir un becharoo kakya kehna .

ae sunain

1.wa wa subhan allah cheehra shareef qibla rukh hay subhanallah kya murday bhi qabar main rukh tabdeel keya kertay hain .?????

2.ijazat mili k camera main us hisay ko band keya jae....kya ijazat denay khud khuda wahan mojud hoagay ???ya allah k nabi wahan agaee????


bas kero yar bas

khuda ki qasam q itni andhee taqleed ker rahay ho yar

kya tom video apni ankh say nahee dekh rahay

yeh to apnay akabair ki ankh say dekh rahay ho

i am sorry for being rude.

but kya kero yar .

raza bhae na chamakte damakte peshani dekh ker apni to dukan chamka le ab dekhna ap k raza bhae kitnay uper jatay hain .


bas yar .

allah hafiz.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 11:48 PM

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(wasalam)
Janab Fikar e Aakhrat Sb.ab main yeh araz karon keh aap nain sirf hat dharmi apna rakhy hay tu bay ja na ho ga.Main nain aap ko jo link dia tha aap zara us ko daikh tu laitay.Us main qabar kushy karnay say pehlay kitnay logon nain Hazrat Qibla Mufti Sb.ke Qabar Sharif ko daikha.Un k comments kya thay??Unhon nain kis kis organ ko kis kis halat main daikha.

Aap nain meri pichli posts main say kisi aik ka b jawab nahi dia......

Aap nain adipocere ke bat ke tu janab jab aap ke pehli condition he nahi apply ho rahy jis ka is nacheez nain apni pichly post main baray detail say us k har process ka zikar kia aur baad main aap ke bat par us ko lago kia tu aap ke aik bat b sahi sabat nahi ho saki janab.

Aap in sab baton ko chor kar kahan tak bhagain gay.Sirf net say link dainay sa kaam nahi banta janab.

Aap bar bar behas kar rahay hain Forensic ke aur decomposition ke tu janab kaash aap meri pehli posts aik bar sirf par tu laitay tu aap ko samaj tu aa jaty keh what is the relation of Putrifaction or decomposition with death or forensic medicine.

Aap par buhat zyada afsos ho raha hay keh aap aik science k student hotay huay b in sab cheezon ko jin ka practical proof is nacheez nain dia un say inkar kar raha hain.....

Aik banday nain daikha ya Qabar kushay wali parday ke bat aap nain ke tu janab aap kash is lia ko dpwnload kar laitay tu aap yeh sawal he na kartay.Janab har aik qadam par Muftian e Sharra e Mateen say poocha jata raha.Aap is ko daikh tu lain phir baad main kisi par blame lagayn.

Aap nain likha keh Mun Qibla rukh tha aur is k baad likha keh kya murda b apni position change karta hay??Tu janab is tarah ka sawal karnay say pehlay kuch par lia karo tu achy bat hay keh jab Azab e Qabar hota hay tu kya kya hota hay murday k saath.Bones tak nazar nahi aateen aur aap mun ke bat kar rahay ho.....Had ho gay hay yar really.

Humaray Muhtram Haji Ubai Raza Muda Zillu Ul Aali par ilzam laganay say pehlay soch tu laitay keh kya woh yeh sab jhoot bol rahay hain???Un ko apni shuhrat say kya laina daina???Un ko pehlay koi shuhrat kam mili hay.

Brah e meharbani aap fuzool ke batain karnay ke bajay sirf isi topic par discussion karain tu acha hay.
Apni pehli post par aa jayn.Us k baad un par kia gay questions ka abhi tak wait hay mujay.

Camphor ka use????
Aap nain is process ko examplify kia tha Egypt walon k method say tu un ka traeeqa kya tha mummification ka????
Aap Aulia par Hadees k munkar huay????
Meri last post main aap k har process ko detail say bayan kia gya aur us ka rad b kia gya.Aap nain us par bilkul discuss nahi ke...

Apni post main aap nain muj par ilzam lagaya tha keh main nain video daikhy he nahi..Janab aap ka woh jhoota ilzam?????

Aap har bar clothes k baray main keh daitay hain keh it depends upon environmental conditions...Tu janab kis tarah ka environment chahya aap k is process ko continue karnay k lia?????
Araz hay keh thori se Chemistry is nalayq ko b aaty hay.Hum nain b study ke hui hay laika janab aap koi bat scientifically proof he nahi kar rahay tu aagay bat kaisay chalay????

Aap say araz hay keh bajay is kay keh topic say unrelated baton ko discuss karnay k aap sirf aur sirf scientific proof say bat karain tu aap ke meharbani ho ge.

Umeed hay aap camphor walay question say apnay answers daina start karain gay Insha Allah.

Agar koi sakhat kalami ho gay ho ya koi bat aap k dil ko buri lagi ho tu moafi ka talab gar hon.

Aap k reply ka wait rahay ga Insha Allah.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 04:24 PM

asalamalekum

main ap say kahfa nahee ho jo main ap ko maf kero

ham ilm seekh rahay hain or is main agar ap ki taraf say talkh kalami hojae ya meri taraf say to allah hamain maf kerdain.

neeyat pay sab depend kerta hay .

tanqeed bara e tameer honi chayea na ka tanqeed bara e tafreeh .

or haq ki qadar alla h ki nazar main boht zyada hay .

daleel ki bunyad per haq ko qubool kerna allah k nazdeek bais e ajar hay .


kher topic ki taraf dobara atay hain .

1.parday walee bat say main mutmain nahee hun .ap k mufteeyan e hazrat koi khuda to hain nahee.
ap kesay ankh band ker k un ki bat per yaqeen ker rahay hain ?????

allah nay ap ko aqal e saleem ata farmaee hay .

ap apni iman daree say bataen kya yeh puri dunya ko tamasha dikhana theek hay wahan mojud mufeetyan e hazrat tak to bat thek hay pura majma ikhata kerna camera lighting movie making kya yeh ajeeb bat nahee hay .

qabar to yad dihani ki jaga hay .......phir yeh sab q ???

2.janab main science student zaroor hun but main koi medical dictionary ya encyclopedia nahee hun na meray pas esay wasail hain k main books purchase kero.....net pay ap ko bharosa q naheeh hay ??????yeh to baree ajeb bat ki apnay k net say link denay main kam nahe chalay ga .

phir kya kero ????

3.

FORENSIC MEDICINE
The branch of medicine concerned with the resolution of legal issues by the application of scientific medical knowledge. The issues may be of criminal or civil nature. The specialty of forensic medicine is often referred to as legal medicine in Europe and in Spanish-speaking countries. The development of forensic medicine began in Europe in the early nineteenth century. Although forensic medicine has its basis in the specialty of
pathology, physicians in other specialties, such as psychiatry, orthopedics, cardiology, and neurology as well as specialists in other disciplines, may be called on to resolve legal questions posed by judges, attorneys, investigators, and hearing boards.

In death investigations, a number of forensic specialists may work together. A forensic odontologist may be called in to identify the deceased person through dental examination, or the perpetrator of bite marks left on the deceased's body. A forensic anthropologist may be needed to identify skeletal remains; a forensic toxicologist for the identification of poisons or drugs; and a criminalist for investigation at the scene and collection of evidence, or for study of trace evidence such as blood stains, hair, paints, and seminal fluid. In cases of equivocal suicides, forensic psychiatrists and psychologists may be called in. Recently the biomechanical engineer has been added to the roster of forensic specialists, to test and study injury patterns to determine how the injury came about. The forensic medical specialist may express an opinion in writing or may be required to testify in person in the courtroom. As with all legal proceedings, the physician witness must be cognizant of issues such as the degree of proof, the chain of custody of specimens or evidence, competency of the witness, and court procedures.

An important development in forensic medicine is genetic analysis. Every individual has a unique genetic content determined by deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) sequences. The DNA present in forensic samples such as hair, bloodstains, and seminal fluid can identify a suspect. One analysis technique is called DNA fingerprinting; it can be used to compare the DNA sequence of a suspect or a defendant with material evidence at the crime scene. The DNA is broken into unique fragments by restriction endonucleases and then separated by electrophoresis. The pattern seen after hybridization with specific probes is called the DNA fingerprint, and like an ordinary fingerprint is characteristic of the individual. DNA analysis is also used in identification of an unknown person or of parts of a human body. Paternity exclusion by ABO blood typing has been replaced by DNA fingerprinting. See also Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA); Forensic anthropology; Forensic toxicology.



BHAI YEH TO HAY FORENSIC MEDICINE KI DEFINITION.

OR AP KA KEHNA YEH HAY K "
Tu janab according to the definition of Forensic Medicine kya Decomposition ka relation hua ya na hua Forensic say????

Ab aap nain yeh kaha keh yeh procees jo keh hum abhi yahan discuss kar rahay hain is ka koi relation he nahi hay Forensic say tu janab araz hay keh yeh Chemistry ka lago karna body par yeh sab process after death he kia ja raha hay ya kisi zinda aadami par???Aur hum discuss bhi aisa topic kar rahay hain keh human body par kya process hua aur investigate kar rahay hain keh jaisa aap nain kaha keh yeh sab chemistry hay tu janab zara is par discuss tu karain na.......

Jab aap kisi ke Qabar kushay kartay hain kisi rule k tehat tu aap kon se team ko bulatay hain???Forensic ko he na????Tu janab yahan bhe yeh he process chal raha hay....."

bhai meray ap laqeer k faqeer q ban rahay hain . itni simple se bat ap ki samhaj mian q nahee arahee hay k
decomposition ek natural phenomena hay or forensic ek pure research subject hay .

yar chalain is ko ek example say dekh letay hain .

ek body farming main decomposition ki stages check hoti hay .
a person whos death occur due to cancer.------body will decompose.
a person whos death occur due to heart attack---body decompose.
a person whos death occur due to accident--------body decompose
a person whos death occur due to gunshot---------body decompose
a person whos death occur due to burns------------body decompose
a person whos death occur due to poisonig--------body decompose.

in sab main common bat yeh hay k sab ki body decompose hogee.
ab sawal yeh utha k ek insan awam ko laga tabaee moth mara.
lekin us k ghar walo ko shak hua k is ka qatak hua hay .to janab ab baree ae ge forensic science ki .
who team involve hoge body ko qabar say bahar nikalay ge us pay puri research laga day ge or akhir pata laga lay ge k insan mara kesay tha or kab mara tha yeh or lambi behas hay dna tests etc etc.

menay forensic ka zikar cheera bhi nahee ap ko koi bat nahee mili to ap nay kaha k forensic pay hi uljha do .

han yeh k menay jahan say link deya tha us k last main forensic ka zikar tha or ap ankhain band ker k us per gir peray .

zor mera kisi cheeze pay tha or ap discussion kahan lay gaee.

FORENSIC MEDICINE:

Forensic medicine exists at the interface between <A title=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine href="http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Medicine">medicine, pathology and the law, and incorporates the disciplines of forensic pathology and clinical forensic medicine.

Practitioners usually specialise in either the examination of the dead, or the living, but in some jurisdictions both functions may be performed by the same individual.

DECOMPOSTION:

Decomposition refers to the process by which tissues of a dead organism break down into simpler forms of matter. Such a breakdown of dead organisms is essential for new growth and development of living organisms because it recycles the finite matter that occupies physical space in the biome. Bodies of living organisms begin to decompose shortly after death. It is a cascade of processes that go through distinct phases. It may be categorized in two stages by the types of end products. The first stage is characterized by the formation of liquid materials; flesh or plant matter begin to decompose. The second stage is limited to the production of vapors. The science which studies such decomposition generally is called taphonomy from the Greek word taphos - which means grave. Besides the two stages mentioned above, historically the progression of decomposition of the flesh of dead organisms has been viewed also as four phases: (1) fresh (autolysis), (2) bloat (putrefaction), (3) decay (putrefaction and carnivores) and (4) dry (diagenesis).

Putrefaction
is the decomposition of animal
proteins, especially by anaerobic microorganisms, described as putrefying bacteria. Decomposition is a more general process. Putrefaction usually results in amines such as putrescine and cadaverine, which have a putrid odor. Material that is subject to putrefaction is called putrescible.






yeh to hogae definition

main jitni detail main bat ke raha hun ap utni detaiol man nahee kertay khalee yeh keh ker jan chura letay hain k mian technically ya scienctifically proove nahee ker raha to bhae who konse zaban main ap ko detail dun jo ap ko samhaj ae .

http://www.chemicall...phar/THYMOL.htm

yeh thymol hay jo capmhor ki family main say hay this is called thyme camphor .
it is used in EMBALMING AND EMABALMED BODIES SHOW RESULTS OF SLOW PUTREFACTION

OR MERAY BHAI MAIN KESAY AP KO BATAON K PUTREFACTION SLOW HOGE TO BODY WILL LAST FOR YEARS.

AB AB ITNAY KAM ILM TO HAY NAHEE K AP RESEARCH WORK KERNAY SAY BHI QASIR HAIN .

YEH LEJEYA EK LLINK OR HAY

http://www.answers.com/thyme+camphor

THIS SCIENTIFICALLY PROOVES THAT CAMPHOR IS AN EMBALMING AGENT .JESA MENAY PEHLAY KAHA WOHE MAIN AB BHI KEH RAHA HUN BALKAY SCIENCE KEH RAHEE .

YEH TO HUA AP KA CAMPHOR K USE KA JAWAB UMEED HAY AP HAQ K SATH QAIM RAHAINGAY .

RAHEE KAPROON KI BAT TO BHAI AP MUJHAY YEH SABIT TO KERDAIN PEHLAY K UN KA KAPRA SALAMAT BHI HAY YA NAHEE .

MENAY TO JITNI VIDEO MAIN DEKHNAY KI KOISHIS KI HAY US MAIN TO SAB KUCH GALA HUA NAZAR ARAHA HAY .


MENAY AP KI POSTS RAD NAHE KI AP MERI POST PERTAY HI NAHEE BHAII

MENAY KAHA HAY K AP NAY JO BHI KUCH BAYAN KEYA WHO MERAY LEYA NAYA NAHEE .

AP NAY SARA KUCH WOHEE BAYAN KEYA HAY JO MENAY KEYA HAY LEKIN AP NAY US PAY RESEARCH WORK APNA NAHEE KEYA ..KHAL COPY PASTE KEYA.

AP QAYAS KO ZAYDA TARJEEH DETAY HAIN .

MAIN HAR US HADEES KA MUNKIR HUN JO QURAN K KHILAF HAY .

OR BY THE WAY ALLAH K NABI NAY JIN AULYA ALLAH K ZIKAR KEYA UN KO AP APNAY AKABEERN SAY HARGIZ COMPARE NA KERAIN .

AB AGAR AP K PASS KOI AULIYA ALLAH NAPNAY K MAYAR HAY TO WHO KITAB ALLAH HAY BAS NA KA KARAMAT OR MOAJZAT. IS PER BHI AP KO JAWAB DEYA LEKIN AP NAY DSC KERNA GAWAR NAHEE KEYA OR QAYAS ARAEE KI.

akhiri or sab say important .

yehi actual point hay aqqeay ki kharbai ka jis ki taraf ap khud hi agaee .

ab agar acha yehi ho k main jis topic ki taraf rukh mor raha hun ap bhi usi ki taraf zyada tawajoo day.

yehi bat the jis ki waja say mujhay is video per nagwaree guzree the k logon ka aqeeeda kesay kharab hota hay .

janab ap nay kha k azab e qabar hota hay to ap say mera yeh sawal hay k ap mujhay sabit kerain k azab e qabar hota hay .?????????

bat asal yeh hay k ap sab kuch jantay hoay bhi buzrugoon ki bat ko tarjeeh dena apna maqsood samhaj rhay hain halankay esa hay nahee .

main inshallah isi genereal dsc k a fourm main azab e qabar ka ek topic post kerunga umeedh ay wahan ap say bat h ogee .




allah hafiz

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 05:31 PM

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Janab Fikar e Aakhrat Sb.
Aap nain meray last questions ka sahi tarah say aik answer b nahi dia.Aur aap nain jo link send kya woh THYMOl ka hay na keh camphor ka......

Aap say araz kia tha keh aap us tareeqa ko b likhya ga jis tareeqa say Egypt walay mummification kia kartay thay laikan jawab nadard.....
Main nain aap ko yeh b kaha tha keh hum apnay topic par he rahain gay laikan hat dharmi ke had ho gay.Aap ko main nain Decomposition ke 4 phases byan kia aur un main say aik b aap k batay huay method k mutabaq theek nahi tha.Aap us bat ko hazam kar gay.

Aap mujay ghair muqallad nazar aa rahay hain.Humaray lia Quran o Hadees,phir Ijmaa e Ummat aur phir Ulma jo keh Quran o Sunnat k mutabaq faisla kartay hain woh hujjat hain.

Aik zahar aankh say sab log is waqia ko log daikh rahay hain laikan aap hain keh inkar par inkar.Science say aap ke is bat ka rad kia gya.Aap nain jawab na dia.

Aap nain link copy paste kar dia.Janab zara copy paste karnay say pehlay daikh ya par b lia karain keh kis topic say related hain.

Aap mujay yeh batayn yeh sara process zinda body par ho raha hay ya dead body par??????
Hum research living body par kar rahay hain ya dead body par????
Yeh decomposition ka phenomenon living body par ho raha hay ya dead body par???

Yeh sara process death say pehlay ho raha hay ya death k baad??Hum investigate kar rahay hain us process ko jo ho he death k baad raha hay......Hum nain is sab ka conclusion daina hay tu yeh sara process kis sa related hua???????

Aap nain kaha keh aap har us Hadees k munkar ho jo Quran k against ho....Janab Quran main tu jagah jagh Allah nain apnay naik bandon(Aulia)ke properties bayan ke hain...Aap phir un sab aayat k b mukar...Aur yeh Hadees hay b Hadees e Qudsi...

Ab aap ko thymol ka introduction kara daita hon thora sa.Thymol ka formula hay 2-isopropyl-5-methyphenol.Is ka formula hay C10H14OH.

Aur isi tarah Camphor ko daikhain...C10H16O...

Ab main aap ko woh he link send karta hon jis say aap rozana partay hain.Camphor k baray main.Is k uses main mujay kisi b jagah dikhayn keh kahan likha hua hay keh yeh as a preservativ k tor par use hota hay????Aur isi tarah Thymol ka b link add kar raha hon jis main is k history main likha hua hay keh Egyptian use kartay thay as a preservative...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thymol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphor

Ab aap ke yeh bat tu is tarah say b ghalat hui.
Meray bhai main nain isi lia aap ko kaha tha keh net say zyada book ko prefer kia karo.

Baqi jawab thora sa free ho kar.Abhi buhat busy hon.

Allah Hafiz




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Posted 14 August 2009 - 10:06 AM

salam

dr sahab ap to bohat hi shatir insan hain

ap kis ko dhoka day rahay hain ????
apnay apko????

ap mujhay meri hi posts return back kerdetay hain or har bar main yehi jawab deta hun k bhai ap mujhay koi nae bat bataeen ap puranee batain repeat kerdetay hain .

ab to mujhay yeh yaqeen hogaya hay k ap dr bhi nahee hain .

ap bhi meri tarah kisi or field k banday hain . :)

kher bhai apnay formula bata k kya sabit kerna chaha hay ???

kya menay ap ko pehlay hi say wikipedia k ilawa koe link nahee deya ???

aen zara ap ki ilmi guftugu ka moaina kertay hain

ap likhaty hain
Ab aap ko thymol ka introduction kara daita hon thora sa.Thymol ka formula hay 2-isopropyl-5-methyphenol.Is ka formula hay C10H14OH.

dr sahab apnay chapaee main ya copy paste kernay main yeh dehan hi na rakha k thymol k actual molecular formula hi kha gae or dakar tak nahee li???
JANAB HYDROXYL GROUP SIRF ISLEYA SHOW KEYA JATA K WHO FUNCTIONAL GROUP KO CLEARIFY KERTA HAY JAB WHO AS A PENDANT GROUP USE HORAHA HO

AP BHI MERI TARAH K HI NIKLAY :)

THYMOL--------C10H14O THIS IS THE ACTUAL MOLECULAR FORMULA

AB MAIN US BAT KI TAFA BHI AON GA JIS KI TARAF AP MUJHAY LANA CHA RAHAY HAIN .

janab yeh ap k leya hay main kitni dafa bhejunga kabhee links bhi dekh leya kerain

http://chestofbooks....l1/Camphor.html

Camphor is justly esteemed one of the most efficacious
medicines for promoting perspiration, relieving spasms, and resisting putrefactionPutrefaction, is one of the natural processes, by which all organized bodies are dissolved, and reduced into what may be termed their original elements.

http://www.liferesea...om/swedish.html
resist putrefaction


late or resisting puterfaction will definetly result in a slow decompostion .


bhai meray ap ki behas ap ko khud uljha day ge .

http://www.chemicall...20SYNTHETIC.htm
http://www.chemicall...phar/THYMOL.htm
AP EK KAM KERAIN IS WEBSITE PAY JAEN INLOGON SAY CONTACT KERAIN OR IN KO BATAEN K BHAI PAKISTAN MAIN IN SAY BHI BARA E CHEMIST HAY JO IN KO CORRELATE NAHEE KERTA .:)

meray bhai yeh ek hi family hay ek hi plant k extracts hain capmhor ki quantity bhi depend kerti hay .

kher bakee ap ki marzee hay ap ka aqeeda hay .

ap jawab denay say zyada ultay sawala kernay pay tarjeeh detay hain or qayas arae kertay hain


main kisi qurani ayat ka munkir nahee hun us per inshallah bat hogee .

allah hi behtar janata hay k aj k aulia aulia allah hain ya nahee .

iska faisala na ham kersaktay hain na ap .

main muqalid kisi zamanay main tha

lekin na ab main ehl hadees ki tarha saha e sata ka akabireen k muqalid hun
na deoband ki taraha
or na hi barelveyoon ki taraha.

mujhay jo thek lagata hay main who kerta hun or han main partha sab ko hon
menay apni aqal per maslak k quful laga k chabi akabair ko nahee day rakhee hay .

ap jin ankhoo ka aitebar ker rahay hain un pay ap ka aitebar sirf maslaki bunyad per hay .
esay hi aqeeda janab ghazi(lal masjid ) k baray main bhi khara hua tha k khusboo ae etc etc.

yeh sab aqeedat k maray hoay hotay hain.

allah hafiz





 

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