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#1 bella

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 02:28 PM

Pls read these and confirm me Kia Shah Wali Allah b Gustakhay Rasool SA aur Wahabi deobandi tha

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Posted 30 August 2009 - 07:57 AM

Shah Wali Ullah Muhadith Dehalvi uqabir Ulamah e Ahle Sunnat meh say hen ... Maqyas e Hanafi'yat meh ghalti heh, yaqeenan yeh Nashar {printers} kee ghalti heh ... behtreen yahee hoga kohi purana nuskha dekh leeya jahay ... Aur joh refference deeyeh gahay hen us kay ek doh pages qabal aur bad bee dekhay jahen ho sakta heh context say bahir ho ...

Shah Wali Ullah Muhaddith Dehalvi kamil WaliAllah aur Sunni aur Jayyid Ulamnah meh say thay un kay mutaliq yeh kehna kay Wahabiat unoon nay pehlahi heh ghalat heh.

Jis Din Razavi IslamiMehfil meh deedar keraya tooh nay,
Wahabiyoon ko khawaboon meh a ker daraya tooh nay
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Kertay thay Shirk Shirk, un ko sabak paraya tooh nay
Keeyeh la'jawab sawal kesay karishma kia tooh nay
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Najdi jo is Mehfil mai aaiy, unhain khaub daraya tooh nay.
Najdi fatwa e Shirk kee barish meh, Quran ko samjaya tooh nay

Keray dushmani Kaffir deen say, Kaffir ko nanga keeya tooh nay,
Raza kay ilm ka qatra heh tooh, Wahabiyoon ko selaboon meh bahaya tooh nay.


#3 Ya Mohammadah

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:15 PM

Janab Radiating Ali Sahab (salam)

aap thora sabr ka muzahira kiya karein....JazakAllah

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 12:16 PM

[quote name='Ya Mohammadah' date='04 September 2009 - 05:15 AM' timestamp='1251998155' post='54739']

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aap thora sabr ka muzahira kiya karein....JazakAllah

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Jinab Muhtaram Ya Mohammadah Sab,

mainy question kia tha kia Shah Wali Allah Ghstakh tha, aur Makasay Hanfiyat ko kuch page scan post ki thi, agar App k baqool Shal Wali Allah Wali kamal thay then why Makasay Hanfiyat main lekha ha k Shah Wali Allah is Ghustakh, pls question ka reply karain aur Kinzul Iman kay tarja ma k takabali jaiza main b Shah Wali Allah Ko Gustakh lekha ha. pls explain this not post number of pages of irelvant books

[quote name='Ya Mohammadah' date='04 September 2009 - 05:15 AM' timestamp='1251998155' post='54739']

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aap thora sabr ka muzahira kiya karein....JazakAllah

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Jinab Muhtaram Ya Mohammadah Sab,

mainy question kia tha kia Shah Wali Allah Ghstakh tha, aur Makasay Hanfiyat ko kuch page scan post ki thi, agar App k baqool Shal Wali Allah Wali kamal thay then why Makasay Hanfiyat main lekha ha k Shah Wali Allah is Ghustakh, pls question ka reply karain aur Kinzul Iman kay tarja ma k takabali jaiza main b Shah Wali Allah Ko Gustakh lekha ha. pls explain this not post number of pages of irelvant books

#5 RadiatingAli

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 11:50 PM

Tumara sawal kia woh gustakh thay ka scanned pages say kohi talluq nahin wahan per un ko Wahabi likha gaya heh ...

yaqeenan yeh refference thah Shah Ismail Dehalvi gustakh kaffir kee taraf joh Shah WaliUllah kay mutaliq ghalti say likh deeya gaya heh ya printers kee ghalti hogi ...

Scanned pages meh nah un ko gustakh likha gaya heh sirf un ko Wahabi likha gaya heh ... toh aap ko sawaal kerna thah kia Shah Waliullah Wahabi thay ... magar joh tum nay sawaal keeya heh kia woh gustakh thay is ka talluq scanned pages say nahin ...Is leyeh ham nay scanned pages meh joh likha heh us ka jawab deeya heh aur tumari mantaq jis kee samaj kissi ko nahin aahi us ka jawab kissi nay nahn deeya.

Meh refference woh doon jis say sabat ho kay Shah WaliUllah pakistan kay rehnay walay hen, aur sawaal keroon kay kia woh farishtay angle thay? toh kia sense banta heh ... sawaal refference kay mutabiq hona chahyeh lihaza joh tum nay refference deeya thah ham nay us refference ka jawab deeya heh aur jis sawal ka talluq hee refference say nahin ham nay us kay mutaliq kuch nahin likha ...

Tum meh itni aqal nahin kay kuch samaj sako, Allah Hafiz

Jis Din Razavi IslamiMehfil meh deedar keraya tooh nay,
Wahabiyoon ko khawaboon meh a ker daraya tooh nay
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Kertay thay Shirk Shirk, un ko sabak paraya tooh nay
Keeyeh la'jawab sawal kesay karishma kia tooh nay
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Najdi jo is Mehfil mai aaiy, unhain khaub daraya tooh nay.
Najdi fatwa e Shirk kee barish meh, Quran ko samjaya tooh nay

Keray dushmani Kaffir deen say, Kaffir ko nanga keeya tooh nay,
Raza kay ilm ka qatra heh tooh, Wahabiyoon ko selaboon meh bahaya tooh nay.


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Posted 10 September 2009 - 12:44 PM

yaqeenan yeh refference thah Shah Ismail Dehalvi gustakh kaffir kee taraf joh Shah WaliUllah kay mutaliq ghalti say likh deeya gaya heh ya printers kee ghalti hogi ...

Tum meh itni aqal nahin kay kuch samaj sako, Allah Hafiz



Ali,

Apni zaban ko lagam 2. mujy tou tum aqal say faragh legtay ho. pahly shah wali Allah ko Gustakh lekha aur wo post delete kardi ab tumhara biyan kuch aur ha.

Tum nay Shah ismail ko Kaffir kaha ha, kia koe fatawa ha ulma Barelvion k Shah ismail Kafir ha. agar ha tou post karoo warna apny damagh ko hazar karkay lekha karo.

Shah Wali Allah ko Wahabi lekha ha tumharay bakool then kia do u think wahabi gustakh nahe hain if yes then Shah Wali Allah kun nahe.

Mikasy Hanfiyat ki ibrat ko printing ki ghalti======== Ali sab kuch aqal say kam loo, kia writer nay aisa kaha tha, kia es ki tardeed hoe ha kaheen par according to writers

Aur jo Ahmed Raza ka tarjama kay takabali jaiza main Shah Wali Allah ka tarjama ko Gustakha aur bayadab lekha ha then tell me if tarjama gustakhana ha then lekhnay wala (shah Wali Allah) kaisay wali ban gia

Jawab sooch samaj kar dia karo takay baad main post delete na karana paray bold part ka reply must karnay

Edited by bella, 10 September 2009 - 12:55 PM.


#7 Ya Mohammadah

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 09:20 PM

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Posted 12 September 2009 - 12:23 PM

janab baat Shah Wali Allah ki horahe ha, Deoband wahabi ki nahe.

maira sawal tha k Shah SAb ka tarjama Gushtakhana aur Shah Sab wali how it is possible. aur tarjama ka takabali jaiz b kinzul imman main para tha. jawab wo 2 jo sawal ha. mainy kissi doeband wahabi ki baat nahe ki SHAH WALI ALLAH KI BAAT horahe ha

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 05:15 PM

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 09:32 AM

Aur jo Ahmed Raza ka tarjama kay takabali jaiza main Shah Wali Allah ka tarjama ko Gustakha aur bayadab lekha ha then tell me if tarjama gustakhana ha then lekhnay wala (shah Wali Allah) kaisay wali ban gia


Shah Wali Allah ka tarjumah e Quran Farsi meh heh Urdu meh nahin ... aur jis nay FArsi kay tarjmeh ko Urdu meh tarjama keeya khata us kee heh Shah sahib kee nahin ... aur agar Farsi meh tarjumah darust nahin toh phir ...

Jan gaheen hen bot'h
Nah jan saki hen ek aur Ahmad Raza

Edited by Sag-e-Attar, 03 October 2009 - 07:50 PM.
Please be patience

Jis Din Razavi IslamiMehfil meh deedar keraya tooh nay,
Wahabiyoon ko khawaboon meh a ker daraya tooh nay
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Kertay thay Shirk Shirk, un ko sabak paraya tooh nay
Keeyeh la'jawab sawal kesay karishma kia tooh nay
.
Najdi jo is Mehfil mai aaiy, unhain khaub daraya tooh nay.
Najdi fatwa e Shirk kee barish meh, Quran ko samjaya tooh nay

Keray dushmani Kaffir deen say, Kaffir ko nanga keeya tooh nay,
Raza kay ilm ka qatra heh tooh, Wahabiyoon ko selaboon meh bahaya tooh nay.


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Posted 17 September 2009 - 11:58 AM

Jinab Touheed sab,

Frist of all this topic is related to Shah Wali Allah not any barelvi, deoband or wahabi

App nay kaha k Molvi Umer nay ghustakh nahe lekha mager Touheed Sab agar ap ki eyes week ha then koe lens use karlain aur ghor say study Karin.

Molvi sab lekhtain hain, Shah Wali Allah nay Anbia AS aur Auliya ki toheen main books publish kin, aur tamam ulma islma nay mutfika SHAH WALI Allah par kufar ka fatwa diya aur shoor barpa hogia k Shah Walli Allah wahabi banchuka ha, kia ap ki nazar main wahibi gustakh nahe hain?

Kinzul Iman k tarjama ka takabali scan kar raha hoon koe anda he hoga jis ko nazar nahe aye ga k esmain clear mentioned ha that translation is bayadab and Gustakhana, I do not want to say any thing more,

Alko aljil, ye lali pop jihal logon ko daina, okay

aik sab nay kaha tha kay this was written about Shah Ismail but by mistake there is name of Shah wali Allah but there were also a post that Shah Wali Allah gustakh ha (by Ali) that been deleted tell me Touheed sab posts why deleted here.

The pages I have upload pls read it very very carefully and then decide because you have to die one day if you will protect your ulma if they wrong then what will happed with you, sure you will in hell

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apny bohat try ki kay galiz zaban use karnay main apny Mujadad Ahmed raza say barjay magar tum pher fail hogay.

Agar tum nay apni Mother ka doud piya ha then tum Shah Ismail k kafir honay ka kisi barelvi ulma ka fatwa post karo gay

aur agar kissi KITTI KA DOOD piya ha tab koe fatawa nahe post karsako gay.

I will wiat for your reply either you have drink you mother milk or kissi Kutti k doud.



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Posted 17 September 2009 - 12:10 PM

Jinab Barelvi sab (Ali & Toheed)

open your eyes and ready it, shah Wali Allah ka tarjam urdu main nahe bilkay Farsi main lekha ha, aur kinzul iman main esko b bayadab aur gustakh lekha ha,

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 05:05 PM

Bella,

Mere khayal mein ya tu aap ko Urdu parhna nahi aati ya phir aap apnay sawalaat ke jawabaat jaan boojh kar nazar'andaaz kar rahay hain. Aik baar thanday dil se aankhein khool kar Ya Mohammadah aur Toheedi bhai ki posts ko parhiye. Aap ki asaani ke liye tafseel Roman Urdu mein likhay deta hun.

Sab se pehlay tu Toheedi bhai ne aap ke sawal ka jawab dete huway bataya ke Shah Waliullah ko Allama Molana Umer Acharvi (Rehmatullahe Allaihe) ne kahi bhi"Gustakh" nahi likha. Khud aap apne paish'karda tamam scans ghour se parhein waha tafseelan bayan kiya gaya hai ke Shah Waliullah "Wahabiyat" se mutasirr ho gaye thay. Ab raha sawal ye ke ye baat theek hai ya nahi tu iss ki tafseel bhi aap ko Ya Mohammadah aur Toheedi bhai ki posts mein dikhai nahi di ya phir aap ne shayad parhne ki toufiq hi nahi ki. Mulahiza kijiye;

"Asal mein Shah Waliullah ke mutaliqq Wahabiya ki taraf melaan ki ghalat'fehmi, Shah Sahib ki taraf mansoob kitabo ki wajeh si thi."

Yaha wazeh tour per aap ko batla diya gaya ke Shah Waliullah ke mutaliqq jo Wahabiyat ki taraf melaan ka gumaan tha woh ghalat’fehmi ki bina per tha aur iss ghalat’fehmi ki bunyaad woh man’gharat aur tehreef’shuda kitabein thi jo Shah sahib se mansoob ki gai. Inn man’gharat kitabo aur tehreef ka zikr aap ko Ya Mohammadah bhai ki post mein mil jaye, hatta ke Shah Rafiuddin ke nawasay Moulana Zaheeruddin Syed Ahmed ka aik qoul bhi naql kiya gaya hai;

"Aaj kal maaz logo naybaaz tasaneef ko iss khandaan ki janib mansoob kar diya aur dar’haqeeqat woh tasaneef iss mein say kisi ki nahi aur baaz logo ne jo in tasaneef mein apnay aqeeday ke khilaaf baat paee tu iss per haashiya jara aur mouqa paya tu ibarat ko tagaiyurr-o-tabdeel kar diya."

Naiz Ya Mohammadah bhai ki post mein aap ko Moulana Shah Abul Hasan Zaid Farooqi sahib ka ye qoul bhi nazar aa jaye ga;

"Afsoos hai Moulana Ismail ke peerwan iss kaam (tehreef) mein bohut aagay barh gaye hain. Hazrat Shah Waliullah, Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz ki tehreeraat-o-maktobaat, Hazrat Shah Abdul Qadir ka tarjuma-e-Quran aur unn ki kitabein, Hazrat Mujaddid Alf-e-Sani,un ki aulaad Hazrat Ghulam Ali, Hazrat Shah Ilmullah Raye’Bareilwi ke ihwaal mein khoob hi tehreef kar ke Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab Najdi aur Molvi Ismail Dehalvi ka humnawa sab ko qaraar diya hai. Allah Ta’la iss kitaab “Al’Qoul ul’Jali”ko inn logo se mehfooz rakhay."

Ab chaliye aap ne Ya Mohammadah bhai ki post ko parhne ki zehmat na ki, hum ne kuch na kaha ke shayad woh aap ki ilmi auqaat se kuch zyada thi. Lekin phir Toheedi bhai ke seedhay aur salees khulasay ko parh karbhi aap “mein na mano ga” ki ratt lagaye bethay hain tu ye tu siwaye typicaldeobandi/wahabi be’ghairati ke aur kuch nahi. Khair humaray liye ye bhi kuch naya nahi.

Tu janab ab Miqyaas-e-Hanafiyat per aap ko jo aiteraaz tha usska jawab tu tafseeli tour pe de dya gaya ke Shah Waliullah ke baray mein Ulema-o-Awaam ke iss tarah ke gumaan, tehreef’shuda aur man’gharat kitaboo ki wajeh se paida karda ghalat’fehmi ki bina per tha. Itmaam­-e-hujjat ke tour per Toheedi bhai ki post mein ye alfaaz kafi wazeh tour per likhay nazar aatay hain;

Shah Waliullah ke mutalliqq puranay jitnay bhi nazriyaat aur aa’raa thein woh sab mustaradd hochukien.

Ab tak aap paish’karda tamaam jawabaat ke baad aik hi raag alaaptay aa rahay hain ke mein fala ki nahi fala ki baat kar raha hun, tu janab baat aap ne Shah Waliullah ki thi, aur jawab bhi aap ko Shah Waliullah ke baray mein hi diya gaya hai. Bus zara aankhein khool kar parhnay ki zehmat ki hoti tu mujhay ye post bhi na karni parti.

Mazeed aap Kanzul’Imaan aur deegar tarajim ke taqabuli jaizay per bhi kaafi jalay bhunnay nazar aatay hain, jab ke iss ka bhi jawab aap ko Ya Mohammadah bhai de chukay. Mein aap ke liye Roman Urdu mein likhay deta hun, shayad kuch ifaqa ho.

Ye uzr tasleem kartay hain ke Shah Waliullah, Shah Rafiuddin, Shah Abdul Qadri waghaira ke choo’kayghair’muqallideen qareeb rahay jis ki wajeh se baaz kutb (tarajim-e-Quran waghaira) mein mazmoon tabdeel kar ke chapwanay mein woh kamyaab howay

Ab jo un Tarajim-e-Quran mein khaamiyaa bayan ki gai woh mumkina tour per inhi tehreefaat-o-tagaiyurraat ka nateeja ho sakti hain jin katafseeli zikr mein kar chukka aur jis ki gawahi khud Shah sahib ke khandaan semilti hai.

Umeed hai ke ab aap iss deobandi/wahabi hatt'dhamri ka bharpoor muzahira karne se guraiz karein gay, kyu ke itna waqt tu kisi ke paas bhi nahi ke aap ka bhaija khool kar uss mein baat bithai jaye. Aur waisay bhi khuda jab deen tu aqlein bhi cheen leta hai.

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Posted 28 September 2009 - 11:21 AM

Toheedi Sab,

Ye Lali poop barelvion k lia acha ha, mager afsoos barelvion ko tou chahya tha ka app kay reply par wa wa wa kartay, karajay tahseen pash kartay but jo barelvi nahe wo achi tarah say Janta ha ki ALBALGH ALMUBEEN kiss ki kitab ha, Shah Wali Allah ka tarzay tahri he ko app check karlatay tou may be aisi baat na kartay. Hadayat Allah kay Pass ha

AIK FATAWA KA INTZAR HA BARELVION KI TARAF SAY JIS MAIN SHAH ISMAIL KO KAFIR KAHA GIA HO, MAGAR APP KAY BARELVI BAHE NAY JAWAB NAHE DIYA, EVEN MAINY KAHA THA K AGAR TUM NAY MAAN KA DOOD PIYA HA THEN WILL REPLY BUT IF KISSI KUTTI KA THEN WILL NOT REPLY, ABI TAK JAWAB NAHE AYA SO MAIN KIA SAMJOON???????????????????



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Posted 28 September 2009 - 01:48 PM

Toheedi Sab,

Ye Lali poop barelvion k lia acha ha, mager afsoos barelvion ko tou chahya tha ka app kay reply par wa wa wa kartay, karajay tahseen pash kartay but jo barelvi nahe wo achi tarah say Janta ha ki ALBALGH ALMUBEEN kiss ki kitab ha, Shah Wali Allah ka tarzay tahri he ko app check karlatay tou may be aisi baat na kartay. Hadayat Allah kay Pass ha

AIK FATAWA KA INTZAR HA BARELVION KI TARAF SAY JIS MAIN SHAH ISMAIL KO KAFIR KAHA GIA HO, MAGAR APP KAY BARELVI BAHE NAY JAWAB NAHE DIYA, EVEN MAINY KAHA THA K AGAR TUM NAY MAAN KA DOOD PIYA HA THEN WILL REPLY BUT IF KISSI KUTTI KA THEN WILL NOT REPLY, ABI TAK JAWAB NAHE AYA SO MAIN KIA SAMJOON???????????????????


Aagaye wapis aap. Mein tu samjha phir aik bawla thappar khaa ke race ho gaya. Chaliye bekaar si hi sahi jawabi post tu ki aap ne.

Janab awwal tu "lali poop" nahi lollipop hota hai. "Lali poop" tu ghaliban aap najdi bachay khatay hongay, lali = surkh, poop = najasat.

Khair asal maslay per aiye. Aap ne bayan kya ke jo Barelwi nahi woh achi tarah jantay hain ke Al'Balagh ul'Mubeen kis ki kitab hai, lekin poori post mein kahi bhi bataya nahi ke kis ki kitab hai, mera matlab hai ke na koi saboot na koi daleel. Aur waisay bhi kisi ke jannay ya mannay se tu kuch sabit nahi hona, tu ab aap thori si mehnat kar ke Al'Balagh ul'Mubeen ke musannif per apni tehqeeq paish kar dijiye. Umeed hai ke agli Eid se pehlay aap apni tehqeeq paish kar hi dein gay.

Aur rahi baat Shah Ismail per fatway ki, tu itna tu aap bhi jantay hon gay ke Fatwa dena Mufti ka kaam hota hai aur jaha tak mujhay maloom hai yaha iss forum per koi Mufti sahab nahi moujod, aur agar hain tu bhi ba'zabta fatway ke liye tu aap ko sail ban kar sawal bhaijna hi paray ga. Tu behtar tareeqa tu ye hai ke aap kisi Sunni Darul Ifta se apna sawal likh kar fatwa mangwa lein.

Lekin masla yehi hai ke aap se kuch hota nahi. Aap ki auqaat bus itni hi hai ke aap her thoray din ke waqfay ke baad koi naya shoosha choor kar dobara apnay bill mein ghuss jatay hain. Ab dekhiye aap hi ne 2 topics aur bhi start kiye aur dono per hi aap se jawab matloob hai lekin aap waha se faraar hain. Na aap se jawab diya jaa raha hai ke "Moinuddin Ajmeri" kaun hain? Aur na hi "Kia sach kia jhoot" walay topic mein aap se kuch bola jaa raha hai. Ye hai aap ke zaati ilmi auqaat.

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 08:22 AM

Syberite sab, ghalat matlab nekalna tou koe barelvion say sekhay, apkay Molvi umer sab khud kahrahain hain k this books is from Shah Wali Allah and many ulma hind nay mutafika fatwa diya ha, kia wo sary ulma hind jo shayad barelvi he hoon gay nay diya tha. mainy gowahe app ka ghar say di ha, Insha Allah agar koe dosari milli tou bi post karoon ga. so you can not denay that this book is no Shah Wali Allah, mainy jo baat ki wo akal mandoon kay liya thi magar app main-------------,

Syerite sab, ap kay aik motbar member nay fatawa diya ha app ki site par radingali shab aisa kuch name ha, magar legta ha kay usnay Kutti ka dood piya ha eslia abtak reply nahe kia,

1)Ab ak kay simay ha tell me the name of that ulma that give fatawa against Shah Wali Allah, if there is not any name then write here that your movli umer nay jooth n nay lekha ha wo kazab ha.

2) jo takabali jaiz mainy post kia of quran tarjam of shah wali Allah, there is write tarjam if gustakhana, eska be jawab dyana,

Ajmari: shayad ap nay topic ka name nahe para, topic tha kia ye sach ha, magar app nay kaha k this is wrong so you have to proof this

looking forward your reply

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 01:37 PM

Syberite sab, ghalat matlab nekalna tou koe barelvion saysekhay, apkay Molvi umer sab khud kahrahain hain k this books isfrom Shah Wali Allah and many ulma hind nay mutafika fatwa diya ha, kia wo saryulma hind jo shayad barelvi he hoon gay nay diya tha. mainy gowahe app ka gharsay di ha, Insha Allah agar koe dosari milli tou bi post karoon ga. so you cannot denay that this book is no Shah Wali Allah, mainy jo baat ki wo akalmandoon kay liya thi magar app main-------------,

Syerite sab, ap kay aik motbar member nay fatawa diya ha app ki site parradingali shab aisa kuch name ha, magar legta ha kay usnay Kutti ka dood piyaha eslia abtak reply nahe kia,

1)Ab ak kay simay ha tell me the name of that ulma that give fatawa againstShah Wali Allah, if there is not any name then write here that your movli umernay jooth n nay lekha ha wo kazab ha.

2) jo takabali jaiz mainy post kia of quran tarjam of shah wali Allah, there iswrite tarjam if gustakhana, eska be jawab dyana,

Ajmari: shayad ap nay topic ka name nahe para, topic tha kia ye sach ha, magarapp nay kaha k this is wrong so you have to proof this

looking forward your reply



Janab aap ko iss ka jawab kafi baar dya jaa chuka lekin aap murghi ki aik taang ke misdaaq aik hi raag alaapay jaa rahay hain. Aap ke khayal mein shayad aisi bhoondi be'ghairiti dikhanay se aap kuch sabit karne mein kamyaab ho jaye gay tu ye aap ki ghalat'fehmi hai.

Aap kehtay hain ke Moulana Umar Acharwi sahab ne likha ke ye kitabein Shah Waliullah ki hain. Lekin iss ke jawab mein jo tafseel aap ko paish ki gai ussper aap ki bolti band hai. Aap ko hawala dya gaya Mehmood Ahmed Barkati ka jo Barelwi nahi, aur unho ne bhi "Al'Balagh ul'Mubeen" ko Shah Waliullah ki taraf mansoob ghalat kitabo mein shumaar kya hai. Miya jee iss tarah andha'dhund sab ko Barelwi qaraar dete rahein gay tu thoray din mein apnay siwa sabhi ko Barelwi paye gay aap :). Mein ne tu aap se pehlay hi kaha ke "Al'Balagh ul'Mubeen" per hi tehqeeq paish kijiye, aap ki bolti band hai. Humari taraf se tu aik ghair'janib darana hawala aap ke munh per maara jaa chuka. Hawala tu aap ko Waliullah khandaan se Shah Rafiuddin ke nawasay Moulana Zaheeruddin Syed Ahmed ka bhi dya, kya ye bhi Barelwi thay? Aap ne agar hawala humaray ghar se paish kiya hai tu janab reply mein hum ne bhi hawala Waliullah khandaan se paish kiya hai jis ke jawab mein aap ki bolti band hai. Ab aap bhi kuch himmat kar ke saboot-o-dalail paish karein tu koi baat banay. Humara mouqiff tu Toheedi bhai ki post mein wazeh likha hai jisay aap ab tak nazar'andaaz hi kar rahe hain.

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Aur mien tu samjha tha aap ko kam hi sahi magar kuch tu ilm ho ga. Aap likhtayhain ke "ap kay aik motbar member nay fatawa diya", fatwa kisne de dya janab? Aap ko yaha Muftiyo ka aisa mayaar paya jata hoga hum Ahle'Sunnah mein Mufti ka aik maqaam hai. So humaray liye hujjat kisi mustanadd Mufti ka fatwa hoga na ke kisi user ki kahi baat. Aap baat kar rahey hain RadiatingAli ki, jinho ke aap ke samnay aap ke chaheetay Ismail Dehalvi ko khasa rageeda, aur usay kafir qarar dya. Jis ke jawab mein aap ne unn se Ismail Dehalvi ke kufr per kisi Mufti ka Fatwa talb kya.

Tu janab Ismail Dehalvi ko kafir kyu nahi qaraar dya, iss per aik alehda topic moujod hai. Rahi baat RadiantingAli bhai ne kyu kafir kaha tu iss ki 2 wajohaat ho sakti hain. Ya tu RadiatingAli ke paas Ismail Dehalvi ki taubah ke qoul ke khilaaf koi qoul moujod hai (taubah ke khilaaf ka qoul tu khud Gangohi se bhi milta hai), ya phir woh ghalati per hain. Ya phir ye bhi mumkin hai ke RadiatingAli Luzoom-o-Iltizaam-e-Kufr ko samajhnay ya samjhaanay mein ghalti per hun. Beher'haal her soorat mein unn ki raye Ahle'Sunnah ke liye hujjat nahi. Allah hi janay ke aap ko kya baat nazar aa gai RadiatingAli meinke aap ne unhay Mufti samajh lya, aur thora zyada takfir ki hoti Ismail Dehalvi ki tu shayad aap RadiatingAli ke haath choom kar bayt hi ho jatay.

1) Aankhein khool kar parhiye, Moulana Umar Acharwi ne"Hayat-e-Tayyaba" ka qoul naql kya hai.

2) Jab Shah Waliullah ki kitaboo mein tehreefat hoti rahein tu ab ye kaisay kaha ja sakta hai ke Shah Waliullah ke Farsi Tarjuma-e-Quran mein tehreef nahihuwi?


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Doosray topic ki babat mein ne aap ko yaad'dihani karwai thi. Behtar yehi hogake uss topic ko wahi discuss karein, so jawab wahi parh lijiye ga.

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 02:59 PM

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:58 AM

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Toheedi bhai.. aap kaha iss bella ko ye saray saboot faraham kar rahay hain? Ye tamaam behes in ki ilmi nehaj se kaafi oonchi hai lihaza in ke sarr se oonchi parwaaz kar ke guzar jaye gi. Koi faida nahi, Deobandi murghi ki aik hi taang per ara rahe ga!

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