MuhammedAli

Abh kush hen kuen kay aap nay apna damagh istimal karna shoroon ker deeya heh. Wesay aap ko kush hona chahyeh thah kay aap nay khud likha heh. but we are happy on your behalf. Lol!

Allahu Akbar! Allah ta'ala aap ko jaza e khair deh, ameen.

Salam alayqum, Hazrat yeh sahib CopyPaste wali sarkar hen, jab CopyPaste khatam toh yeh summun buqmun ho jahayn gay balkay ab ho chukay hen. Agar jawab deeya toh kissi aur kay qanday par rakh ker thop chalay gee. Jab inoon nay kuch likha toh meh aap ko jahan say yeh COPYPASTE keren gay woh aap ko website bata doon ga.

Reading, makes you qualified to discuss with me? You can/t even read properly you dont know how to read properly. You couldnt wouldnt undrstand the chaper on Raf ul Yadain in Jaa Al Haq. Reading is not key, interpreting is the key to properly understanding a book. Lastly the sunnis present scanned pages, books are referenced, thats not plagiarism, there is diffrence between plagiarism and pasting scanned pages. Which Sunni here quoted a books scanned page and you or I or anyone else thought he wrote it. By copy pasting word for wrod fullstop to full stop without even declaring whre you got the material from is plagiarism, thats literary theft. People like you always existed and in Kashf ul Majood, Hazrat Data Ali Hujweri rahimullah wrote someone stole his book material and publshed it as his own. Atleast put quotation marks to indicate you are quoting someone else and material wasnt written by you. Keep saying to me that i am confused about my aqeedah it prolly makes you feel better. In sha allah the astronomical size of lack of comprehension and stupidity of yours will be established in the response. The reason on which you are saying i dont know my aqeedah and i am confused. That place will establish that you are STUPID AND DONT KNOW HOW TO READ a book or interpret the content in light of evidences. You are telling me my aqeedah is not supported by Sunni's, foolish kid you have no sense.

Chor denh is ko, is dafa maaf ker denh is ko luzoom aur iltizam meh farq nahin pata. Balkay is ka matlab toh Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ko be nahin thah woh be Mualana Ashraf Ali Sehalvi (rahimullah) say munazray meh iltizam e kufr kee daleel mang raha tha luzoom e kufr kee nahin. Hazrat nay ek doh dafa samjaya kay luzoom yeh heh iltizam yeh heh ... phir kehnay laga mujjay bataho luzoom kis ko kehtay hen iltizam kia cheez heh ... war palat ker kernay laga halan kay ussay luzoom aur iltizam ka farq be nah pata thah. Is nay maan leeya heh Urdu achi tera nahin aati is leyeh is ko chor denh. Wesay mujjay yeh be is kee chaal lagti heh keun kay yeh phr behas kesay jari rakh sakhta heh. Abh is nay kehna heh Urdu nahin aati jab pans gaya toh aur behas phir be jari rakhay ga.

There is harm, its a discussion between two people, and your contribution is zero. The harm is that if you havent written the material you will not understand the connecting issues to it. Which in other words means you are a idiot who cannot see fault because you do not have required knowledge to realize your mistake. I really don't need you to copy paste anything, i know exactly where you copy paste from. Discussion will be benefitial for me is when you come with something original. If you are copy pasting what I heard and what i know inside out and out side in its hardly a dicusion. Its like a professional wrestler wrestling with a amature. I dislike CopyPasters cause you are not engaged in discussion rather you are copy pasting others material without even giving credit to where you got it from. This is called plagiarism and its shameless act. Imagine you are debating me and each time you finsih i play a clip. Is that a debate between you and me or u or the video clips. If I need to debate other peoples material I dont need you in the middle, I will do it myself in my own time and i know exactly where to find the material without your help. YOU NEED TO CONTRIBUTE try writing what you read in your own words. Asking you to interpret the Quran and Sunnah would be too much atleast write up the material you read in your own words to make it feel like i am discussing with someone who knows. As a CopyPaster you will not gain anything. You will always be a COPYPASTE, have you ever wondered why in schools never except COPYPASTE from net or books? Because copypasters learn nothing, by writting in your own words you will internalize the material and develop better understanding of issue and evidences.

Salam alayqum, Baee aap nay Sunniyoon kee baat kee meh aap ko Deobandiyoon kee bata hoon. Mujjay ek banda milla takeaway par joh parshani meh thah meh nay ussay saath leeya gar aya. Uss ke parshani maloom huwi toh dostoon ko saath leh ker haal kay leyh nikla keun kay jis jaga par woh kam karta thah us ka malik us ko tankhawa nahin deh raha thah teen char maheenoon kee tankhawa us nay daba kar rakhi thee. Ham nay ussay ja kar daraya dabkaya aur kaha ham police ko report keren gay kay tum illegally workers kam par lagatay ho. Jis ka fine 18 hazar pound fee banda heh. Us nay 350 pound deeya baqi baad meh denay ka kaha. Batoon batoon meh ussay maloom huwa kay meh Sunni hoon, dari meh say Wahhabi hee lagta hoon. Us nay sawal poocha Geeyarweenh kia heh. Meh nay ussay bataya kay ek dafa Darood ek dafa Surah Fatihah aur aakhir meh ek dafa phir Darood paren. Us nay para meh nay dua mangi isaal e sawab keeya ameen. phir bataya yeh geerwarweenh heh. Phir us nay bataya kay mehDeobandi hoon mujjay nahin pata thah essay geeywarweenh kehtay hen aur yeh amal hota heh girwarweenh meh. Us nay kaha yeh toh kohi larahi wali baat nahin ham toh phir wesay lartay rahay. Phir us nay poocha aap Sunniyoon aur ham meh kia farq heh, meh nay bunyadi farq bataya aqahid aur fiqhi masail ka aur saath Thanvi wali ibarat suna deeh kay aap kay ek maulvi nay yeh likha heh. Allah rabbil alameen gawah heh, kay us kay ankhoon say ansoon jari ho gahay, keun kay woh meray saath khana kha raha thah meh dekh raha thah kay us kay haath kamp rahay thay. Us nay kaha yeh banda Kafir heh kohi musalman nahin esa likh sakta, meh nay bataya yeh aap kay Thanvi sahib ki ibarat heh us nay kaha agar heh toh meh Deobandiyat say tayb ho jahoon ga. Meh nay ussay ibarat dekha dee us nay kasam deh dee kay aaj kay bad meh deobandi nahin hoon meh Sunni hota hoon. Aur al hamdu lillah woh abh Sunni heh aur mera dost heh. Meh nay us say poocha yaar tumaray zehn meh kohi taweel nahin aahi kay shahid is mafoom meh likha ho ya us meh, us nay kaha kohi pagal banda is say kohi aur mafoom doonday ga yeh wazia tor par gustakhi heh. Hasil yeh kay jin bandoon kay dil kufr say kalay nahin huway woh in ibarat meh kufriat pa letay hen magar joh Deobandi kartootoon kee waja say darja kufr par pounchtay hen aur dil kalay ho jatay hen woh kufr kee daldal meh esa panstay hen kay nikalnay ka kohi tareeka nahin hota.

No Mr CopyPaste I am not on about Ahadith/Verses, you copy pasted atleast 50% of material from various Deobandi/Wahhabi websites, word by word, coma by coma, fullstop by fulstop. We ill see what supports me who supports my aqeedah.

Agar yeh meri bukhlahat heh toh tum is kush fehmi meh mat rehna. Bachoon ko zeb nahin deta kay woh baroon kee tera bateh keren. Apni oqat banday ko boolni nahin chahyeh. in sha allah joh response a raha he us meh tummeh joh tumari ilmi oqat be yaad ahay gee aur jin say tum nay copy paste keeya un kee oqaat kee. Bat chand dinoon kee heh. Jin ko tum nay apnay mazhab kay dalahil bana ker pesh keeya thah un say he meh Hazir Nazir sabat keroon ga. Keun kay, bina ishq kay joh partay hen bukhari, ata heh bukhar un ko ati nahin bukhari,

Abu Hajira Sahib nay ban kis ko keeya thah jab bardasht nah ho sakka toh ban ker deeya. Thanvi kay mureed ka kalma pernay per jab lachar huwa toh ban ker deeya. Meray pass abhi be Abu Hajirah ko jawab Tazhir Un Naas ka likha thah mojood heh aur 34 pages thah magar ban ho janay kee waja say paste nah ker sakka aur doh dahee maheenay pehlay mera harddrive kharab ho janay kee waja say sab kuch waste ho gaya, jis ka zikr is thread ki post 2 kay aakhir meh keeya thah: http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/21844-hazrat-ameer-mawaiya-radi-allahu-tala-anhu-cursed-ali-radi-allahu-tala-anhu/ Joh meh nay Tahzir Un Naas say pesh keeya thah us ka toh woh jawab nah deh sakka. Balkay ibaraat par baat nah bani aur toh baat ka rukh dosri taraf pher deeya kay Ala Hazrat nay qat chat kee heh jis ka jawab meh likh raha thah ... magar Ahlalhdeeth.org forum per mera material jis meh Deobandiyoon ko neo-Qadiyani likha thah parh ker inoon nay mujjay banned ker deeya: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?67509-Some-issues-with-Husaam-al-haramayn-and-Original-Texts-of-Deobandi-Kutubs/page12 Link par post #117 dekh lenh. Then when he and your companions had no response on Thanvi's Kalmah they made excuse o he abuse mother and sister of so and so there three month ban on him. In reality the statement was something like this; if a deobandi engages in zina or some deobandi's mother or sister is caught committing zina will you make excuse o she was out of control and she had no control over the body. Would this be valid excuse like you are making excuse for the Kufr of Thanvi and his mureed. For establishing a point to refute a kufr, they banned me. Thanvi walay point par akhar meh yahi hona thah joh is thread meh aap kay Deobandi ka faisla tha: http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/8687-mureed-ka-thanvi-sahab-ka-kalma-aur-darood-parhna/page-3 Abu Hajira say Thanvi kay Kalmay per jaho taweel leh aho meh jawab likhoon ga. Link uper heh ussay doh aur kaho jawab deh. Tummeh pata lag jahay ga kay chawal bandoon nay mujjay banned keun keeya thah. Bicharay maulvi ko pata lag gaya thah kay agay kia honay wala heh is leyeh safety first, banned. I know maulvi's very well, you sing their praises I know what maulvi's are like especially deobandi and Wahhab ones. Your policy is damage control, even if you have to lie. I had invited abu Hajira on Ahlalhdeeth.org to complete the debate with me. If I remember correctly i think i posted the response on ahlalhdeeth.prg and sent link to Maulvi Abu Hajira and I have not recieved response yet. They were glad for banning me cause they had no choice other than that Anwar Shah kashmiri's scanned pages were enough to shock the system. Asaan tareekay say jaan churwanay ka tareeka thah kay mujjay ban keeya jahay aur jaan churwa leeh esa ker kay. Islam par qaim rahoon toh woh zillat behtr joh us kee waja say millay aur kufr par hoon toh us izzat par lakh lanat. Kafir ko kufr meh kia nazar ata heh, Kufr Islam nazar ata heh, Islam kufr nazar ati heh. Joh izzat tum ussay kufr kee tableegh par doh woh tummeh aur ussay mubarak. Agar Urdu nahin aati toh likh doh kay nahin aati mujjay Urdu jawab denay say qasir hoon is waja say kuen apnay aap ko gaseet rahay ho. Yeh likhnay say tummeh pehlay maut parti thee. Joh bar bar tum say sawal kar rahay hen jawab doh jawab doh jawab doh aur bajahay kehnay kay mujjay Urdu achi tera perna likhna nahin aati is leyeh jawab nahin deh sakta wesay keun baat ko tool deh rahay ho. Jis cheez ka nahin pata banda likh day kay mujjay pata nahin, ya yeh waja heh is leyeh jawab nahin deh sakta. Jab tummeh Urdu nahin aati toh maghz mari ka kia faida bataho in ko taqay un ka time waste nah ho. Tummeh kia pata likh likhaee meh kitna time lagta heh tum nay toh sirf copy paste marna hota heh idhar say nahin toh udhar say copy paste mar loh gay. Shahid soch rahay ho kay kissi aur ko pata nahin lagay ga aur meh puray kay puray saffay copy past mar kay apnay number bana loon ga. Abhi ek doh post exchanges meh copy paste material khatam ho jahay ga phir Seikh Google Yahoo al madad bee kaam nahin ahay ga.

Bura ronay say behtr heh chup ker jaho agar kuch nahin ata toh. Bas ho gaya uqabir ka difa aur tum nay Shaheedoon kee list meh naam abh darj kerwa leeya heh is leyeh khamoshi behtr heh. Agar kuch ata heh toh moteram Saeedi aur moteram Khalil Rana Sahib kee posts ka jawab doh. Warna chup ker jaho, tumaray say ziyada paray likhay aur qabil banday yahan per apni mitti paleed kerwa ker baag chukay hen. Abh hamara tumaray rad meh kuch likhna esa heh jesay murday aur zinda meh larahi ho aur ham murdeh ko latenh maren, utho laro laro ... Abh muj sharmingi aur tars a raha heh tumari lachari dekh ker. Babu baroon kee bat maan loh aur chup ho jaho. Tumaray bass kee baat nahin, izzat kee khamoshi ya zillat kee chavlen, agay tumari marzi heh.

Salam alayqum, Baee aap nay acha aur hunda jawab likha. Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) aap ko jaza e khair deh, ameen.

Salam alayqum Mughal baee yeh toh 2 bahiyoon ka zikr heh tesray ka zikr kahan heh jis nay kaha meh Nabi peda ho gaya hoon. Ek nay kaha Allah peda ker sakta heh, dosra nay kaha peda ho toh farq nahin parta, aur tesray nay kaha meh ba-hasiyat e nabi peda huwa hoon aur farq nahin para. Tesray ka dawa be add ker denh. Poori story achi lagti heh agar adi miss ho toh phir maza nahin. Aap nay sari story likh deeh magar aap nay story kee ending nahin batahi. Woh be poster meh bata dnh.

I Am Writting Reponse It Will Take Atleast A Week To Fully Complete And I Suspect It Will Be 30 Plus A4 pages. I apologise for this news, but my response just has reached 30 A4 pages and I am not even half way through completing my response therefore I revise my original estimate and say 50 A4 pages.

Salam alayqum, Jee baee ek do din denh meh thora farigh ho ker aap ko tafseelan jawab likhoon ga dalahil kay saath.

Why did Allah forbid the companions saying from raina did there minds ever concieved that? Which companion protested. O Allah my mind never ever ever never, never never never ever never not even ever ever ever nerver concieved that i am calling Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) a raina to insult him then o Allah the knower of what is in hearts and minds and all that is ghayb why did you prohibit me from using raina. If you are a Muslim and if you use a word, phrase, sentence which could be miscontrued by people to insult Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) and which does insult Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) then we the Muslims will inform you of it even though your mind did not percieve the insult and even though if you did not comprehend the insult. It is upon Ahlul Ilm and ahlul emaan ahlul sunnah to educate the ones who don't know. Adab and respect and love of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) was never the forte of your sect. Soon as we quote you what your ancestors wrote to insult Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) deliberately and knowingly the whole drama of o we Deobandis love and respect Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) falls apart because then you start to defend those who insulted Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam). How sincere were the Khawarij Prophet said o my companions you would be ashamed of your prayers and fasting compared to Khawarij. O their tears, how beautifully they invoked Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) and how they cried while reciting the Quran. You and I compare nothing to them yet the reality of these people is out of Islam like an arrow leaves a target with a little sign of Islam on them. Have you ever wondered that they will be so practicing and sincere yet Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) said they will have little speck of sign of Islam on them? If a none Khariji did that he is would be counted amongst the pious but they barely had mark of Islam upon them after doing all that? They have what they have but they go out of Islam over other things which nullified their Islam. Your tears, prayers, Shahadah, fasting, and the love which you claim to have and the tears you claim to have shed all will be worthless because you are spokes-person and defender of the Kuffaar who insulted RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) and you are promoting these insulting books and statments as if they are according to Islam. This will nullify your good deeds and by Allah if you do not repent hell will be your dewelling place. You have made your good deeds worthless by your worse deeds because Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is reported to have said good deeds biddati are not accepted until he leaves his innovation. You are from the ahlul bidda and from ahlul kufr. [Note I classify bidda into Kufr and Shirk and Zalalah. My definition of Bidda is different from 'BARELWI' definition. I got brave came up with my own version of Bidda defintion.] So don't delude your self as the Khawarij deluded themselves with acts of piety and charity and worship focus on correcting your Aqeedah. Without correct aqeedah your entire actions will be rejected.

Shahzad baee ko is leyeh nahin kaha keun kay woh mozoo kay mutabiq aur us ka ek pehloo heh. ma fawk al asbab aur ma taht al asbab ka joh ham biyan ker rahay hen us say kia talluq? Udhar tum meray threads ko apni na-paak posts say paleed ker rahay ho. Woh likho jis ka talluq mozoo say ho aur joh baat chal rahi heh. Baat ka moqa aur munasbat hota heh. Agar doh banday computer technology per bat kar rahay hoon toh tum darmiyan meh apni Tawheed ka biyaan shoroon ker do gay? Agar karo gay toh tameez walay hogay ya bey-tameez? Banday yahi kahen gay kay is ko tameez nahin kay kon si bat kab kerni chahyeh. Joh ham raag ga rahay hen us say tumari baat ka kia talluq? Dar asal tumari ghalti nahin yeh tumari Deobandi/Wahhabiat kee fasadi mentality heh. Jahan par aman ho fasad ikhtilaf ka beej tum logoon nay bona heh. Kohi na kohi atkala tum logoon nay chorna heh jis say harmony meh darrar peray. Ikhtilaf ho behas ho fasad ho larahi jagray hoon. Yeh sirf forums per hee nahin pooray Pakistan meh esa ho raha heh. Jahan per aman heh wahan per Deobandi aa ker mushrik kafir biddati qabar parast ka bazar garam ker detay hen aur phir joh community meh harmony hoti heh kharab hoti heh. Yeh tumari nasal kee pehchaan heh aur meh achi tera janta hoon. Sirf tum mujjay nahin jantay meh kia thah aur hoon. Joh tum likhtay ho tumari nazr ussee taq paunchti heh meri tumari damagh meh joh sochen theen un taq be paunch jaati heh jis waqt tum line likh rahay thay. Mujjay sirf Sunni achay lagtay hen aur meh toh kissi Wahhabi ya deobandi kee talawat e Quran bi nahin sunta sirf is leyeh kay meray dil meh tum logoon kay leyeh narmi peda na ho jahay. Joh Allah kay Nabi (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) kay saath hen woh ashida alal kuffaar hen aur meh yeh shiddat musalman ka zewar aur Kafir ka haq heh. Musalman ko is zewar ko pehna chahyeh aur Kafir ko joh us ka haq heh dena chahyeh. Is leyeh aap ka joh haq heh woh aap ko deeya jata heh aur yeh aap ko bar dasht kernay paray ga aur sabr kerna paray ga. Meri aap say kohi zaati mukhalfat nahin na jageer par jagra sirf Allah kay wastay aur us kay deen kay khilaf joh aap kay nazriat hen us waja say aap kee mukhalfat aur aap kay kufr e sari ki waja say aap say shiddat. Agar aap kufriat ka difa choren aur kufr ko kufr tasleem lenh chahay Kafiroon kee takfir nah keren. Meh aap kay saath musalmanoon wala salook apnahoon ga. Magar jab aap wazia tor per kufriat e Thanvi, Gangohi, Nanotavi aur Ismail Dehalvi, Khalil Ambethvi, Maulvi Hussain Ali kay difa per tiyar hen toh ham Musalmanoon say yeh tawaqoh mat rakhen khaas kar kay muj say kay aap kay saath narmi say pesh ahoon ga. Agar aap samajtay hen kay ham aap kay nazriyat ko ignore ker kay aap ko Musalmanoon kee tera treat keren gay toh aap ko ghalt fehmi heh. Yeh esay hoga ham Qadiyaniyoon kay kufriat ko ignore ker kay un ko Musalman samjen aur musalmanoon wala salook rakhen. Essa nahin ho sakta is leyeh aap ko bar-dasht kerna paray ga meray aur hamaray bughz ko. Allah ka deen seekhnay kay leyeh Sahabah nay bot ziyadtiyan bardasht keen aap sirf jis bughz kay mustahaq hen sirf woh bardasht ker lenh. Aap kia samajtay hen kay Muslaman ko gustakh e RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) aur us kay difa kernay waloon say bughz nahin hoga? Har Musalman ko esoon say bughz heh aur agar aap musalman hen toh kia aap ko be heh? Agar esa hota toh Thanvi mardood aur Dehalvi mardood ka difa keun kertay?

You know very well what you intended but because you got slapped you have changed tactic. You quoted my following portion: "And there is not a single hadith in which a Sahabi said RasoolAllah {sallalahu alayhi was'salam} is Bashr like us, or we are Bashr like him, they knew it was his humility, and for this reason they did not used this language for RasoolAllah.." Where did i write Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is not Bashr? If you had written Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is not Bashr and then you had quoted the hadith then your claim that: "... i quoted this hadith was in the sense that all Human Beings are created from clay and ..." would make sense. But my quote was not denying Bashriat rather it was saying companions did not say Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is bashr like us or he was bashr like me. Clearly you quoted my statement to refute what had been written in it with Hadith which you quoted. Instead you got slapped and now you have changed the goal posts. O I didnt mean this i meant this. If the scholars have written something offensive there is no need to reply to me in a quote which is totally unrelated. Instead create a seperate thread and bring the issue up. Makes no sense that they write something which you consider offensive to Sharia and you pollute my thread with your objections. Which should be directed at them in a seperate thread because they have nothing do with what i have written. Your problem is that instead of admitting your faults and mistakes mis understandings in public like a honorable and sincere person. You resort to covering up your own SHIT. See see it smells like roses, its doesn't smell bad at all. Here i take a deep sniff see i smell roses, pure rose flower smell from it nothing bad about it. It would be easier if you just admit you didn't understand the issue and misunderstood. At least with honorably accepting your mistake you will have your dignity by lieing about something which is so obvious you degrade your self below the level of acceptibility. Here al hamdu lillah were all are pretty levelled and we won't mock you for accepting a mistake. You don't have to embrace your self. Learn to admit fault this will make you a stronger and better man then you are. You are on the path of your ancestors hide, make excuses, for the mistakes and Kufrs instead of owning up to fault and repenting. Another thing only limit your self to creating one thread at a time and let the discussion end on it and then move to new subject. There is no need to copy paste and start fifty scan pages from Deobandi books which contain half quoted snipets and result the true meaning of sentences gets distorted. If i was leading this forum I would prevent you from pasting scans of Deobandi books and have rule of only quoting and then presenting original scan page because you just present the scan page and then we have to go and find refferences in books which take us hours. I will be suggesting this to Admins today.

Tum kissi ba tameez ka kay pet'h say jammay ho ba bad-tameez maan kay pet'h say? Agar kohi ba-tameez thee toh idhar meh tummeh kia zeroorat pri yeh likhnay kee kohi ilada thread banaho. Na agay dekha na peechay dekha aur joh bat joh marzi thread meh likh deeh. Tareeka apnaho joh insaanoon wala heh.

Baee yeh sab hamari sufiat kee waja say huwa heh. Ham keun kay Sufi hen halwa chawal zarda pillau walay. In kay oopar Jihad kertay hen aur woh be essay kay kuch na poochen. Khanay per Jihad kernay waloon kee kon sunnay. Dunya meh apni manwanay kay leyeh aur haq ko parwan charwanay kay leyeh. Talwar ka zor, pistol kee goli, grenade ka explosion chahyeh. Joh is ko istimal kerta heh woh apnay maqsad ko pata heh. Deobandi Wahhabi is meh mahir hen. Dosri baat, hamaray maulviyoon ko kinara kashi kee peri heh. Jab do namazen par leta heh doh Sufiat ka lebada orh ker dunya say kinara kashi ker leta heh aur siwahay taqriroon kay kuch nahin kerta aur har kism kay politician say milna GUNNA E AZEEM aur Sufi kee shaan kay khilaf samajta heh. Deobandi Wahhabi apni awaam kay saath hasb e zeroorat politicans per pressure daltay hen khud miltay hen apna mowaqif biyan kertay hen convince kertay hen. Abh in kay mukhalif Sunni jin ko Sunniat say itna piyar heh kay woh Khatam Geeyarweenh waghera meh hissa letay hen aur kha pee kay so jatay hen. Agar kohi maulvi Sunniat kay hakooq biyan keray toh ya toh ussay Deobandi ura detay hen agar nah ho toh woh Sunniyoon ko samja samja ker bata bata ker thak jata heh. Magar sunni kee ek hee rat hoti heh; wahhabi deobandi musalman hen yaar jamshed javed ko dekhen kitni mehnat ker raha heh. Lakh bar bataho kay yeh logh waqt kay intizar meh hen jab woh waqt aya toh yeh ham Sunniyoon ko bakriyoon kee tara zabiya keren gay hamari behnoon betiyoon kay saath jabri ziyadti be hogi keun kay yeh mushrikoon kay behneh aur betiyan hoon gee. Magar hamara Sunni samajna wala nahin. England meh ham Sunniyoon kee masjidoon meh committees baneeh hen agar kuch bol utho toh masjid meh larahi shoroon ho jati heh. Jin kuttoon nay tawahifoon kay saath sari jawani guzari aur sharab pee ker tank banay woh jab marnay kay qareeb huway toh woh paleed kuttay masjid kee committee kay member ban jatay hen aur joh mukhlis aur deen kee khidmat kernay walay hijray ban jatay hen. Baee ham sirf problems biyan ker saktay hen ilaaj impliment nahin ker saktay yeh sirf pir aur Maulvi ker saktay hen joh sirf taqreer ,woh be pesoon kay leyeh, kertay hen. Maulvi tabkay ko kohi pata nahin awaam kee tarbiyat kistera kerni heh yehni un kee tarbiyat essee ho kay woh awaam bunyaden pehlay samjen misaal kay tor per Biddat kee tareef, is par dalahil, kesay fesla keeya jata heh kay yeh biddat heh. Ek banday ko jab yeh khud samaj aa gahi toh woh sari zindgi kay leyeh Deobandi Wahhabi kay jitnay ihtirazat hoon gay khud samaj jahay ga kay bey-bunyad hen aur in kee kohi haqiqat nahn. Mera ek dost thah woh bar bar ata isaal e sawab kay mozoo per sawal kerta. Meh is ko samjata magar phir us ko aur zeroorat perti wazahat kee. Meh nay ussay gar par bulaya aur kaha yeh pen pakro aur yeh loh paper, aur joh likhahoon likho: Us ko yeh asaan biddat kee tareef likhahi, - Har woh amal aur aqeedah jis ki Quran aur Ahadith meh asal nahin biddat heh. aur saath wazahat kee kay asal two type hen explicit aur implicit yehni direct aur indirect. Lehaza ibart ka mafoom yeh huwa: - Har woh amal aur aqeedah jis ki Quran aur Ahadith meh explicit/implicit yehni direct/indirect saboot nahin biddat heh. Saath meh yeh be bata deeya kay implicit/indirect daleel kay oper qiyas ker kay Ijtihad keeya jata heh. Chand misalenh deenh doh gantoon kee mehnat meh banda biddat kay mozoo ko khud profesional tareekay say samaj gaya. Agar dalahil nay hotay toh bees mint kee baat thee. Allah gawa heh aaj taq us banday nay muj say biddat kay mozoo per kohi sawal nahin keeya kay yeh biddat heh ya nahin is ihtiraz ka jawab kesay doon. Us kee zubani suna kay us kay dost ka baap Wahhabi maulvi heh woh jab jata heh dost kay gar toh behas hoti heh us ka kehna heh kay meh us kay har point ka jawab deta hoon Quran aur hadith say sirf is waja say kay khud biddat ko samajta heh. Warna woh choti choti batoon per pans jata thah. Hamaray Maulvi hazrat sirf taqreer ko Sunniat ka difa kertay hen. Yeh Sunniat ka difa nahin balkay muhallay muhallay gali gali meh classes dena kay yeh biddat kee tareef heh aur logoon ko sikhana asal meh yeh deen ka difa heh. Istera kay bunyadi masail ko awaam ko agar samjaya jahay toh phir awaam ka level of ilm baray aur zoq baray shoq baray. Bunyadi ilm nahin samjaya jata joh zeroori heh iman bachanay kee khatir jis say awaam khud apna difa aap ker saken.

Deobandiyoon aur Wahhabiyoon nay ilm ko talaq deh ker apnay ooper haram ker leeya heh abh jab taq in ka Nikkah ba-hasiyat e Sunni na ho yeh ilm hasil be nahin ker saktay aur nah peda ker saktay hen. Meh jab in meh hota thah toh in kay maulvi Haq Nawaz, Ihsar Qasmi, Azam Tariq, Zia Ur Rehman Farooqi, Mohsan Raza Farooqi, waghera waghera ko sun ker socha kerta thah yeh Barelwiyoon ko ek jumlay munazray meh hara denh. Lol! Baad meh jab Haq Nawaz kee durgat Maulana Ashraf Ali Sehalvi say banti sunneeh toh pata chala yeh ek jumlay meh haranay wala nahin harnay wala heh. Phir samaj lagi kay yeh ullu kay pathay sirf jazbat ko machalnay wali taqreeren kertay hen aur banda jazbat meh aa jata heh aur in josh aur jazbeh meh in ka peekha bakwan shandar lagta heh.

salam alayqum, Shahzad baee aap nay joh baat likhi mujjay bot pasand aahi. Allah ta'ala aap ko is ka ajr deh. Baee aaj kay dawr meh hammeh apni tawanahi ko constructive tor per istimal kerna chahyeh. Yehni joh deen ka ilm nahin rakhtay un ko bunyadi taleem namaz roza Tawheed, biddat, Shrk isaal e sawab kay dalahil, ilm ghayb, waghera kay masail ka ilm dena chahyeh. Hamaray sunniyoon meh Hazaar bandoon meh say ek esa hoga joh thora Sunni aqahid of nazriat per ilm rakhta heh. 999 esay hen jin ko sirf Geeyarweenh, Milad, Urs, Khatam, Namaz aur Roza taq ka pata heh aur woh be khanay peenay kee hadd taq kay Milad hogi chawal milen gay, bas. Hammeh apnay Sunniyoon ko tiyar kerna chahyeh ta-kay woh apna difa ker saken. Hazaar meh ek banda hota heh aur baqi sirf tamashahi hasb e zeroorat poocha tassali huwi toh dosray qaan say bahir ker deeh. Sari zindgi mojtaaj aur imaan khatray meh rehta heh. Aur essi jahalat ka faida Wahhabi utha rahay hen woh jahiloon ko suna suna kr Wahhabi ker letay hen. Hamaray Sunniyoon meh hazar meh ek deeni taleem rakhnay wala hota heh aur dass hazar meh ek banda meh joh itna mukhlis kay deen kee tableegh ka irada keray. Is kay muqabileh meh Wahhabi hazaar meh say kam say kam 500 toh esay hoon gay joh apnay nazriyat jantay aur apni Wahhabiat kee tableegh meh hotel, dokan, bazaar, gali, muhallay, kaam, gar, kheltay huway, chaltay huway, har jaga aur har hallat meh apnay mazhab kee tableegh meh mashool hen. Allah ta'ala ka karam kay Dawat e Islami ka wajood aya warna meh sochta thah 50 saal bad Sunni kohi be nahin hoga. Hamari halat itni kharab ho chooki heh kay meh aksar parshan rehta hoon kay Sunniat ka kia hoga. Hamari ghaltiyan aur nalaykiyan hammari anay wali nasloon ko Sunniat say mehroom ker denh gee. Itni halat kharab ho janay kay baad be ham logh nahin badlay abhi bee choti choti batoon per maulviyoon kee tangen pakr ker gaseetay hen. Ek aalim ho char kitabenh pera ho yeh kesay ho sakta heh kay us ka kohi esa nazria nah ho joh khilaf e Jammat nah ho. Hammeh ghaltiyoon ko dar guzr kerna nahin ata ham Sunni choti choti batoon per loot gaseet per tiyar ho jatay hen. Meh khud esa thah, kohi Peer, kohi Maulvi meray zehn meh esa nhin thah joh meh nay Sunni mana ho. Zindgi ka beshtr hissa logoon ko dantay dapat-tay gumrahi kay fatway sunniat say kharij honay kay fatway laganay meh guzr gaya. Aur joh hamaray dushman Wahhabi/Deobandi hen unoon nay lakh ikhtilaf keeya apas meh magar kissi kay kaan taq baat nahin punchti. Aur ham choti choti batoon kay leh ker forumoon per mimbaroon per bth jatay hen aur us waqt taq dam nahin letay jab taq mozoo acha khasa fitna nah banay. Hammeh is kaam say baaz rehna chahyeh ... apna nazriya hasb e zeroorat zeroor biyan kerna chahyeh magar baghair tanqees kay. Meh Tasweer/Video, modern Qawali, qatan haram janta hoon aur joh issay jaiz samjay aur halal samjay ussay gumrah magar meh nay tangen pakr ker bandoon ko gaseetna chor deeya heh aur fatway dena chor deeya heh. Tazili group, Minhaji group agar log in ko ignore ker denh yeh doh teen saloon meh apni maut mar jahen aur in kay ikhtilafi nazirat khud be khud in kee zindgiyoon meh maut pa jahen magar ham bar bar in kay joh nazirat murda huway jata hen un ko phir rooh phoonk detay hen. Mera advice sunniyoon ko yahi heh kay hasb e zeroorat agar kohi poochay toh jawab denh bila waja masail ko nah uchalen aur phir murdoon ko zinda nah keren. Is waja say kay hamaray dushman hamaray garoon taq paunch chookay hen. Taqriban har Sunni kay gar meh ek Wahhabi hoga agar family meh nahin toh extended family meh zeroor hoga aur yahi ek jaraseem pehal ker sab ko kharab kerta heh. Hammeh apnoon ko ilmi tor per tiyar kerna chahyeh taqay woh khud apna difa ker saken hazaar meh 500 nahin 100 toh hoon joh mukhlas aur ilm walay hoon taqay ham apna difa keren aur Sunniat kay mujahay huway baagh ko phir sabz o shadab keren.

The Hadith, I have NO trust in Wahhabi's or Deobandi's quoting religious texts but trusting that hadith has been quoted and hadith is either sahih/hassan/weak or tallaqi bil qabool, I will comment on the text of Hadith. Companion believed that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) was not Bashr but when he saw him he realized Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is Bashr. My criticism on hadith, first of all belief that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is human being is fundamental and anyone who does not believe in or did not believe in it was and is Kafir. How can a companion of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) not know that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is not Bashr? There are two possibilities here, either the Hadith is mardood because no companion would ever doubt the Bashariat of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) leave not actually believing that he isn't Bashr. Or the other alternative is that companion had newly converted to Islam and he must have heard about wonders and miracles which Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) has performed hence he would have thought he was someone special and not a human. In that case his ignorance of Bashariat of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassallam) is excuable. The text you quoted states: "I thought Prophet peace be upon him was not Like other People, Suddenly i saw him that he was Bashar." Where does it say that Sahabi said Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is Bashr like me or I am Bashr like him or I saw him that he was Bashr like me or I saw him that he was Bashr like us? You have implied it and these are not the words of Sahabi. The website you got it from even used it to only argue that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is Bashr. Read the words again: not a single hadith in which the Sahabah said Prophet is 'Bashr like us'. I didnt write Sahabah didn't believe he was bashr I wrote they didnt he was 'bashr like us'. Here read these they will explain the point of being 'like' someone or something or animal has a meaning. When it is said someone is like someone or something i.e. Hazrat Ali was like a lion. It has a meaning apart from literal. Being like someone means having qualities of the person thing animal. This is why companions never said Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is 'bashr like us.' Rather they affirmed he is Bashr without a likeness. a Bashr whose sweat was perfume, a bashr whose sliva made the bitter water into sweet water, a bashr whose hands poured water in abundance. We the Muslims and the companions believe to say: 'I am bashr like Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam).' is comparing your self with Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam). If you are a sinner and dirty filthy scumbag and you say Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is Bashr like me. this implies you consider him lowly the way you are. If you mean it that he is best of creation and you are like him that means you make your self eqale to Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) this means you have exagerated your own worth. Saying you are bashr like Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) has two meanings one positive and one negative ... if you consider ur self scum of earth and say it then ur insulting him. which is Kufr and we the Muslims ill come after you and kill you. The other is that you exagerate your own worth ... which is Shirk ar'Riya. Allah says La taqulu raina wa qulu undhurna, the hokam of this verse applies to saying: 'I am bashr like Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam).' On the Kufr said Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is human being like them and they said it to deny his Prophethood and to portray him as a commoner and no one special. You are on path of the Kafirs. Your entire Deobandism is based on belittling Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) and every effort is made to portray him as he is a common man like you. I dont think you will understand the issue. The issue is of Adab not issue of denying bashriat. We the Muslims say Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is best of human beings, a Bashr like any other but still a Bashr. I have altogather written four articles on this subject you ignored the ones which are related to subject of 'bashr like us'. I even sent you the links yet you could not connect. Anyone with a penny's worth of aqal would read the words and if he has read the titles of my articles will immediately connect the dots but you are Deobandi and delinquancy is inherited by you. Disrespecting Prophet By Saying - 'He Is Human Like Me.' Kaffirs Said To Prophets Mockingly: 'You Are Nothing But Human Like Us.' No one with slight Adab of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) will even contest this leave actually try to refute it. These threads are not for your to pollute them with your comments. I will not be replying to any further display of stupidity on this topic. Inserted word NO displayed in red.

Salam alayqum, Agar mazeed rehnumahi chahyeh toh rabta keryeh ga.

Salam alayqum, bahi agar mazeed madad kee zeroorat huwi toh forum per zeroor issue raise keryeh ga.