saqi

Yes I have because u keep editing my posts, cos u canny bear the truth.

Nice! I mean really amazing. Thats kind of another smack on the face of Minhajians.

As far as long speeches are concerned go and ask Minhajies don't ask me cosI ain't th one

u are going on and on about Sunni go on my Deargive the criteria so everyone know and they can apply on theselves to see whether they r sunnies or not?

Go on gooooollllle it u might find it asome where?????????????

I think Deobanies are better in this field at least they know what they believe, you guys don't have clue. All you know is COPY & PASTE nothing else.

Why don't you provide us the criteria?

 

One who delivers long speeches is Sunni no matter whether he have kufria aqaaid or not? Is this all for Minhajians, speeches is the measure for everything and everyone?

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT dR QADRI OR ANYONE ELSE ALL I AM ASKING YOU GIVE ME A CRITERIA FOR A SUNNI

I HAVE NOT received anythng cos you guys don't have a clue, all you know is accusing and character assassination

go on delete this post too or edit it...........

I am laughing at you.......................

Look around you Mr. Saqi. Dr. Tahir is not the only fitna we're dealing with here on this forum. Sorry to say but it wont work like, you jump out of nowhere and demands your qeuries to be replied instantly. If you can wait, good! If you cant, go lookout for the answers for yourself and dont forget to share the knowledge with us.

yOU HAVE COURAGE TO LISTN THE TRUTH EH!!

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE BEEN EDIING AND DELEING MY POSTS

WHERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH

I AM FEELING SORRY FOR YOU SYBARITE................

This wasnt just a private message, its mandatory when you warn a member. Hope now you understand what it was.

 

Why are we warning now?

 

Make some sense and I'll try my best to reply.

 

Don't we have enough courage to listen the truth??

 

We do have the courage, we are just waiting for you to come up with something logical and authentic. Not just that copy+pasted material from Minhajian websites.

 

What are you going to do? Ban me from this forum? Please do so, Icame here to learn Islam not a sect, which is self centred, not willingto listen or read other scolars material.

Whine more, I'd say!

 

If we wanted to ban you, we would've done it by now. You deserved a warning and you had it, so you really don't need to cry about it at all. I already described why you came in here in another thread in General Section so don't need to reply the same crap again. And we are more than willing to listen your stance but not the lame copy+pasting. If you really wants to prove your stance, first prove us wrong. Prove the allegations raised against him as false. Just copy+pasting his Isnaads and the names of scholars who listens to him wont prove Dr. Padri's righteousness.

 

My sincere suggestion is that you need to read all the allegations raised against him and their grounds. Then go look the Shariah rulings from a reliable and unbiased source. And when you find something which justifies him, present it here and then we'll discuss whether we did a mistake or you.

 

This title has been given to him by Arab Scholars nd also Shah Khaki RA of Chakwaal.

 

The title Dr. Padri has been given to him by the great-grandson of Imam-e-Ahle'Sunnah, Mujaddid-e-Deen-o-Millat, Imam Ash'Shah Ahmed Raza Khan, Huzoor Taaj'ush Shariah Hazrat Allama Moulana Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan al'Qadri al'Azhari, who has been recently awarded with the title of "Fakhr-e-Azhar" by the famous Al-Azhar University, been appointed & announced as Qaazi ul'Quzzat (Muslim Cheif Justice) of whole of India by Muhaddith-e-Kabir Hazrat Allama Mufti Zia ul'Mustafa Azmi sahib, about whome Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-Khatib al-Hasani (the head of Ma’had at-Tahzeeb and the ‘Orator of Damascus’) said; "Akhtaru Sayyiduna wabnu Sayyidina which means ‘Akhtar is our master and the son of our master!'.

 

This is a lot less than the very brief introduction with hundreds of names missing of those scholars of wrote poems in praise of Huzoor Taaj'ush Shariah. Feel free to ask for more!

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What's all this about dudes???????????

I knew a post like this will be deleted?

Where is freedom of speech here

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Thank you very much for editing my posts, becuase you could not face the truth.

Dear Readers,

Please note that this person Sybarite has amended my posts.

My wording has been amended. Now I am wondering about this person, i realy feel for you Sybarite.

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Please stop going here and there:

Provide me criteria for Sunni then I will apply on Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri's practices and all the other Sunni and Wahabi Scholars too.

Also you guysare saying he is not Sunni you need to provide evidence not me, if you accuse someone in the Court of Law Judge will ask you to provide the evidence, once you have provided the Evidence then I will provide you the evidence.

Is'nt that only one reference enough? Do you know the beliefs of wahabis, shias, mododis and all other sects? and is the difference between them and us are Fir'oee or Qat'ee? We want you to prove this difference is Fir'oee with proper reference from quran, hadith and authentic scholars of ahlesunnah. if you prove it i will delete all topics against him otherwise this only 1 reference is enough to make him out from ahlesunnat wal jamaat. not to mention all of his other false beliefs.

 

and i hope now you can prove it or accept it that Dr. tahir make this false statement.

 

you recently posted a new topic. where you said.

 

 

 

and what you did. posted quotes from minhaj site, Dr. Tahir is this and that. i want you to give us one reference where any authentic sunni scholar said i agree to his beliefs.

 

and i hope you learned something beside from his speeches. so what you learn? wahabis blasphemous against our prophet are minors and shia blasphemous against hazrat sayyiduna abu bakkar siddique and hazrat umer farooq and all other sahabas are minor problems?

 

I think if you read only one book of Alahazrat "Hussam ul Huramain" everything will become clear.

 

I hope now you will share your knowledge with us against these sects.

 

and i really hope you will not post again reference of sunni scholer who attended dr. tahir mehfil unless you have prove that they are agree to his false beliefs.

 

p.s: There is detailed reply of brother Sybarite about giving prayer permission to charistians in mosques. i hope you will reply that too. Hadith regarding the delegation from Najran

Exposing wrong beliefs of deviants not making us self centred and gustakh otherwise your this statement will also against the biggest names of islamic history. becoz they also exposed alot of fitna's in their time.

 

and we listen dr. tahir but we didnt follow him blindly . so i give you suggestion. listen to other ahlesunnah scholars. what are they saying. and if you have a little bit encourage of islam in your heart then you will understand. what is the true meaning of love (ishq and muhabbat)

 

Mahboob Ka Dost Hamara Dost, Mahboob Ka Dushman Hamara Dushman.

 

and We will not allow Dr. tahir Sullah Kuliyat. where a Sunni and a Blasphemer stand in one row.

Are these wrong beliefs?

1. Promoting true face of Islam
2. He has proved the celebration of Mawlid un Nabi SAW through Qur'an, Sunnah and 1400 years history
3. He is the one who defended Ahl-e-Bait by delivering 12 hour lecture in the Defence of Shan-e-Aki RA (Diffa-e-Shan-e-Ali RA), how many of Sunni scholars defended that. They are always scared to say something in the shaan of Ahl-e-Bait fearing that people will call them Shia, If love of Ahh-e-Bait makes one Shia then I am biggest Shi'a
4. On his stage Shi'a Scholar's come and deliver talks in the Shaan of Khulfa-e-Rashedeen and Sahaba Kiraam RA
5. Since his Lectures on Mawlid un Nabi now Jamat-e-Islami celebrate Mawlin un Nabi SAW, he is the one who wrote biggest book on Mawlid un Nabi SAW
6. He is very well respected in Pakistan and around the Globe, recently I saw on his website he was invited by Shaykh Nazim in Cyprus
7. He also gave Ijaza to Shaykh Jifri
8. Shaykh Hameek Murad delivers lectures in his programmes
9. He is the one who promoted Na'ats

If they are then surely he is not sunni, I have asked 2-3 other places to provide a criteria for being sunni, neither you nor your friends have done so?

Make sure it's through Quran and Sunnah and I will apply on all the Scholars.

Rather than whinging please provide the criteria for a Sunni?

I can go on and on but I have better things to do, therefore I wouldn't waste my time on this.

Dear Brothers & Sisters in Islam Assalam o Alaikum,

I came on this forum to learn Islam but unfortunately what I have found is there are 1000s of posts about character assassination, we spend more and more time on character assassination then learning anything.

We spend more and more time on these kind of things without any through research.

It's a Hadith, Holy Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said:

Jo Shakhas kisi baat ko baghair tehqeeq ke philata hai we shaitani amal karta hai.

I think that's what is going on here.

All we are doing is reading other people's fatwa and posting them them, my question is howmany of us have read or listened to Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri.

Although I have been dishearted by this forum on character assassination but all those character assassinatoers have done me a favour, that the person I have never listened in my life Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri, I started reading himand listening him.

I started visiting his website on a daily basis and listen his online lectures.

I found something very interesting and that is Gosha-e-Darood o Salam http://www.******

Where people are reading Darood 0 Salam 24 hours a day except Salat times or during other necessary breaks. Mashallah, and not only that peaple can submit Darood o Salam from around the globe.

How many so called Sunni do that? I know a lot Sunni brother who don't even read Namaz and they call themselves Aashiq-e-Rasool, They deviate from the Teaching of Rasool-lallah SAW and do everything against the teachings and still call themselves Aashiq-e-Rasool. Mashallah, Subhanallah

My question to you all those who have posted all these posts about Dr Tahir ul Qadri assassinating his character,

How many of you have listened to him?

How many of you have read his books?

If you have not then this Hadith applies on you "Jo Shakhas kisi baat ko baghair tehqeeq ke philata hai we shaitani amal karta hai."

If you want to listen to him visit www.shaytan.org

Finally thank you very much for opening my eyes by criticising Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri, I started listening him. Inshallah I am going to start Halaqa-e-Darood-o-Salam and I will also invite you all to join that too so all of us can recite the Darood o Salam on Allad SWT beloved prophet SAW.

May Allah guide us to Siraat-e-Mustaqeem and keep us and our families in his and His beloved prophet's Amaan. Ameed.

Please do remember me in your Dua'as

Jazakallah Khair

Saqi

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Saqi,

 

You've presented your queries/views. Now I hope you can wait till I reply. So please stop repeating the lame queries in every other topic. You'll be replied soon enough so just hold your horses.

This is what you sent me as private message:

saqi,

Sybarite has sent you a new personal conversation entitled "Warning".

Sybarite said:

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This forum does not acknowledge Dr. Tahir as a Sunni, let alone Shaykh-ul-Islam. Please refrain from entitling him with the titles he dont deserve.

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PLEASE DO NOT REPLY DIRECTLY TO THIS EMAIL!

You can reply to this personal conversation by following the link below:

Why are we warning now?

Don't we have enough courage to listen the truth??

What are you going to do? Ban me from this forum? Please do so, I came here to learn Islam not a sect, which is self centred, not willing to listen or read other scolars material.

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This forum does not acknowledge Dr. Tahir as a Sunni, let alone Shaykh-ul-Islam. Please refrain from entitling him with the titles he dont deserve.

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This title has been given to him by Arab Scholars nd also Shah Khaki RA of Chakwaal.

I am not here to waste my own time or ursSeen end of the text I have asked you 2 questions:

I need two answers here

1. What do you say about all the scholars who have given him Ijaza and also about those who took Ijaza from him?
2. What do you say about those people who ca;; a muslim Padri???

I would appreciate an honest answer not a bias one.

Thank you

Well mister Saqi, the names you have given... first of of all Sybarite bhai have mentioned the names of Scholars who have "rejected the false beliefs of Dr sahib".. It is a shame to you that you don't know the great scholars mentioned, but how can you know though, you haven't looked arround for seeking truth, rather accepted the falsehood blindly.

 

In your answer you should bring names of those who "accepted all the false beliefs of Dr sahib and has labelled them to be Islamic beliefs". Beliefs are infront of you, in the topics here, a person's support can only be accepted if he knows all the beliefs of Tahir and supports his beliefs.

I am sure the list you gave is not of "those who support the beliefs of Tahir ul Qadri".

 

Other than this I can surely say Tahir sahib can go to west and try to fool the people by looking like a Sunni, but his beliefs are completing against that of Ahlus Sunnat Wal Jamaa'ah. If you can bring a name with a proof and trying to justify the aqaaid of Tahir ul himself, then we will put it forward for further clarification and hukm e Sharaee.

They have made th actuals Sunnies > Barailvies and they became themselves sunnies.

Something very interesting, one my Libiyan cleint told me once that Barailvies are near Qadiyanies, ooppps Astaghfirullah ul Azeem.

This is the propaganada about us Barailvies.

I agree with Br Chishti Qadri, they are very clever or I would say cunning, they made us Bad Aqeeda and they becamse themselves Sunni.

My request to all brothers and Sisters here is lets stop what others said or done, lets study our Aqeeda properly.

For example, we all celebrate Mawlid un Nabi SAW but why we are celebrating, why do we do khatam shaif, why do we do giyarveeN sharif?

We are ones who don't offer 5 time prayers, we are the ones who bad mouth about others, we have time for net but we don't have time for Studying Qur'an, Seerah and w don't have time for reciting Darood o salam.

Lets change ourselves, today if we have not changed ourselves then our forthcoming generations won't do Milad, Giyarween and khatams and all the blame would go on us because we were busy criticising others.

I have seen young Deobandi kinds they know their Aqeeda very well but on ther hand our Sunni children don't have a clue, they don't even know the Raka'at of Salat and how to perform Wudu and Ghusal and so forth.

I came on this forum to learn but I have been very dishearted when I SAW you are calling a Muslim Scholar Padri, Padri means Pope and in other words we are calling Dr Qadri a kafir (Astaghifiruulah ul Azeem), we are becoming God (Na'aoozobillah, Astaghfirullah). How can we call a Muslim with these names, who are we?

Think please think

I think there should an open and live debate on this topic either on TV where both parties needs toprove through Qur'an and Sunnah

22 Views and no one yet provided me the answer???

Are we googling for the criteria?????????????????????????????????

You please correct if we are wrong, sir clever, about:

"Are Christians and Jews allowed to come to Masaajid and pray according to their religion because Christians, Jews and Muslims all are people of the faith (Imaan wale, Ahle Imaan)...?

 

Please read the statement fully and then provide answer.

I remember reading somewhere that when a non-muslim delegation came to meet Holy prophet SAW and during their prayer time Holy Prophet SAW allowed them to pray in Masjid Nabvi.

Please answer if I am wrong? Didn't Holy prophet SAW allowed them to pray in Masjid-e-Nabwi SAW?

A kind Request:

Regardless which scholar we are discussing, I would say show some respect.

We do call others that they are Gustaakh, have we looked at ourselves?

We can't be the judge, if any scholar has written any thing that is beweet him and Allah SWT and Him we should not be disrespectful towards any scholar.

We call ourselves Aashiq Rasool and this is our behaviour. Mashallah

Mashallah Sybrite,

Good research, All the names you mentioned no one knows them apart from couple in UK Allama Saqib Shami Sahib and Kazmi Sahib

I can go and past 100000s of names who come and listen to Dr Qadri around the world but please give me some authentic names.

Thanks to your forum, I have started watching his DVDs and in one of Mawlid un Nabi SAW lecture the person who looks after Roza-e-Rasool SAW came there and delivered a lecture, also Shayoukh from Syria, Egypt and many other countries. This includes Grand Imam of Jamia-e-Ummvi Damascas Shaykh Saeed Asad As Sagherji, Shaykh Al-Farfoor and many more.

What is their Aqeeda? Are they are with the same Aqeeda? The more research I am doing I find Dr Qadri is well respected around the world where as the names you have mentioned they never ever been outside their countries or even their Hujra's.

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What is all this? Does any of scholars you mentioned have any?

Kindly provide me the criteria for Sunni?

What is the criteria for being Sunni?

1. If you are throwing him out of Sunniyet then you need to give reference from his lectures or books

2. The reference you quoted from newspapers and magazines, be honest with me and tell me do you trust these papers and magazines? if tomorrow I ask them to publish an article in which they praise and say he is Sunni, would you beleive that?

My dear, these references are OK for Pakistani people, I would like something from Qudwa Tul Awliya Tahir Alauddin Al-Gilani Al-Baghdadi, HUZOOR ZIA-UL-UMMAT,SHAYKH JUSTICE MUHAMMAD KARAM SHAH, AL-QURAISHI, AL-AZHARI, Mufti Sarfaraz Naeemi Sahib, Maulana Shah Ahmed Khan Noorani Sahib.

mashallah well done Munna Bhai,

Good research, I am slightly confused, please help me, I remember reading somewhere that when a non-muslim delegation came to meet Holy prophet SAW and during their prayer time Holy Prophet SAW allowed them to pray in Masjid Nabvi.

Correct me if I am wrong?

Munna Bhai,

Kindly provide me the criteria for Sunni?

What is the criteria for being Sunni?

Very interesting your post but apart from one reference from Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri's book you all gave reference from others.

1. If you are throwing him out of Sunniyet then you need to give reference from his lectures or books

2. The reference you quoted from newspapers and magazines, be honest with me and tell me do you trust these papers and magazines? if tomorrow I ask them to publish an article in which they praise and say he is Sunni, would you beleive that?

My dear, these references are OK for Pakistani people, I would like something from Qudwa Tul Awliya Tahir Alauddin Al-Gilani Al-Baghdadi, HUZOOR ZIA-UL-UMMAT,SHAYKH JUSTICE MUHAMMAD KARAM SHAH, AL-QURAISHI, AL-AZHARI, Mufti Sarfaraz Naeemi Sahib, Maulana Shah Ahmed Khan Noorani Sahib.

Assalam o Alaikum,<br /><br />Is it possible for anyone to give me criteria for being sunni?<br /><br />How do we measure it?<br /><br />Obviously, I need the info through Quran and Sunnah, not Fatwa of Mufti Sahibaan.

Assalam o Alaikum br Faisal,

I agree with your question

In addition recently i have seen a poster of Alimi Mawlid Un Nabi <img src='http://www.islamimehfil.info/public/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> conference organized by Dr.Tahir ul Qadri, in which Top Sunni scholars names are visible ...if i m not wrong that include Allama Sarfraz Naimi also!!!

All the top Sunni Scholars have attended Dr Tahir ul Qadri's conferences, thanks to this forumI have recently started watich Dr Sahib's programme and senior scholars speaking on his stage.

Here is something very intersting:

I received an invitation from Shaykh Muhammad Amin-ul-Hasanat Shah, Al-Quraishi(Prinicpal & Sajjada Nasheen D.M.G. Bhera Sharif, Pakistan) where UK's top scholars came and spoke about services of Dr Tahir ul Qadri, not only that Dr Tahir ul Qadri delivered a lengthy lecture there too.

We need to think twice if dr Tahir ul Qadri is not Sunni why theyare inviting him to his programs, or are we saying Shaykh Muhammad Amin-ul-Hasanat Shah, Al-Quraishi is not Sunni too.

To see myself whether I am Sunni or not, kindly provide me criteria for Sunni??

<br /><img src='http://www.islamimehfil.info/public/style_emoticons/default/salam.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <br />Dear Brothers<br /><br />I have heared that Dr.Tahir ul Qadri has said that his Maslak on Hassam ul Harmian is <b>"Sakoot". </b>He presents similar practice by some other renowned Sunni Ulemas...............I dont udersatnd this tacts of Sakoot....There should be some permission from Shariat for this Sakoot..........I dont know how much Shariat has allowed?<br /> <br />Most disturbing and confusing thing is that recently i watch a Video of Mawlid Un Nabi <img src='http://www.islamimehfil.info/public/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> organized  in which many scholars from Arab world were participating!!!!! This include Syed Alawi Maliki also!!!!!!<br /><br />In addition recently i have seen a poster of Alimi Mawlid Un Nabi <img src='http://www.islamimehfil.info/public/style_emoticons/default/saw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> conference organized by Dr.Tahir ul Qadri, in which Top Sunni scholars names are visible ...if i m not wrong that include Allama Sarfraz Naimi also!!!<br /><br />From this i think may be Dr.Tahir has <b>RUJOO</b> from his deviated stand like Professor Masood.............optimistic.<br /><br /><b> Why Sunni Ulemas dont meet him personally in friendly nature ......and get a clear stance of Dr.Tahir ..................to finish this issue.........otherwise after death of Dr.Tahir .......Wahabis will using his videos (where Sunni scholars are also partcipating) to misguide ordinary person about Kufrs of thier Akabir.</b><br /><br />Wasallam<br /><br />Muhammad Faisal<br />Manager-Optical Networks<br />

Assalam o Alaikum warahmtullah wa baraktohoo,<br /><br />I have read everyone's posts and I am very surprised to notice none of the renowned scholars has issued any fatawa about Dr Tahir ul Qadri which includes Hozoor Zia ul Ummat Peer karm Shah (May Allah grant them high status in Jannah), Allama sarfaraz Naeemi sahib (May Allah grant them high status in Jannah)Bheera Sharif, Golra Sharif and many more.<br /><br />The names which have been mentioned here or who issued fatwas never heard of these people.  How many of them understand proper arabic and they can read Bukhari Sharif (Arabic Version), Very hardly any.<br /><br />To me it seems these people are trying to make themselves famous by issuing fatwas against him.<br /><br />Recently, I had a chance to listen to Dr Sahib, I have listened to his lecture Difa'a Shan-e-Hazrat Ali RA, this is 12 hour lecture, the whole lecture is amazing but the first hour he explains through Quran and Sunnah who can and who can't deliver the lecture.<br /><br />Regardless ones background I think everyone should listen to that.<br /><br />It's time for unity, who is Muslim and who is not and who is Sunni and who is not.  We can't be the judge of that because we don't now what is it in ones heart therefore we should leave this between him and Allah SWT.<br /><br />it's time to unit Ummah not disunite, sometime when I see these kinds of posts I wonder are these muslim people who are destroying the Ummah of Holy Prophet SAW or they are someone using Muslim names.<br /><br />Dr Tahir ul Qadri is Sunni or not leave that between him and Allah SWT, we should not judge anyone and how many of us have the same level of knowledge.   <br /><br />One final question to all of you:<br /><br />Is this is what your Shayoukh have taught you? To disrespect your elders?  He is a scholar and the religious matters should be left between scholars, every Tom, Dick and Harry should not discuss them.<br /><br />Hope this make sense.<br /><br />May Allah SWT give us strength to serve his Deen with full sincereity. Ameen