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agar tum itne he sache hote to hamari post check karke post na karte or na he thread del karte.

tum loogoon ke pass bhi jab koi jawab nahi hota to is tarhaan ke jhoot bolna shoro kar dete ho or apna btate nahi jo tumhare main razaat ke liye jawan aurat ka doodh jawan mard ko pilaya jata ha tumhare pass is ke authentic hone ka koi saboot nahi ha zara mera saboot dekho tumhari muslim se ha.

konsi hadees adhi likhi ha??????????

teejani pehle tum ye to btoo agar main tumhara bhai banana chahoon to tumhari taraf kab aoon.????????

lolz:lol: ise kehte hain aasman se gira khajoor main atka in logooon ko to khud madad ki zaroorat ha ab tak 2 thread del kar chuke hain is se ziyada kiya kahoon. or teejani ki to koi bhi bat qabil e ghor nahi hoti chalo kam az kam is ne mana to sahi ke aisa howa tha warna pher ulti seedhi bateen shoro kar deta ha.

teejani ki jahalat ka mon bolata ik or saboot teejani keh raha ha ke isna asheri bad ke pedaish ha is se pehle ismailia .zadiya or bohra firqe wagera ka wajood tha to teejani sahab aap ko btata chaloon ke ye teeno firqe imam hussain as ki shahadat ke bad bane the tumhe to itna bhi nahi pta. wase aap hamare leye bohat faida mand sabit ho rahe ho apne he foji mare ja rahe ho. .... sag sahab wase teejani se to mujhe pehle se he pta tha ke bar karna fuzol ha ab pta chal gya ke aap se bat karke bhi time he zaya ho ga kher agar ab aap ko jawab dena ha to us tarhaan dena jis tarhaan kaha ha pher main bhi osi tarteeb se jawab doon ga ya pher aap ka to ye guman ha ke ham la jawab ho rahe hain agar us tarhan jawab nahi dena to behas band kar dete hain parne wale samajhdar hain khud he samajh leen ge.

jiss tareke se maine kaha tha tumne us tareeke se jawab kyun nahi diya yakeenan tumhe bhi pta chal gya ha ke tumhare pass koi jawab nahi ha sirf ik bat ko cher ka sher ban rahe ho or wo bhi ghalt jawab de kar. "kofioon ka shia hona daleel ka mohtaj nahi balke sunni hona daleel ka mohtaj ha" mera bacha kal school main ja kar pta karke ana ke is se past murad ha ya present??? or pher keh raha hoon bhago mat or jis tarhaan kaha ha us tarhaan jawab dene main kiya jata ha ??????? main pher keh raha hoon ab tak tum apne defend main ik lafz bhi nahi likh sake agar tum apna defend nahi kar sakte to kisi bare ko bhejo.

jo baateen filhal tum loog kar rahe ho jahalat ki intiha ha kher ab ik tarika nikala ha tumhe rah e faraar se rokne ke liye mere post zara shoro se akhir tak parna tarika pta chal jaye ga. kiya imam hussain as ke qatil shia the? 1: jo tum norullah shostri sahab wali bat kar rahe ho to agar tum kabhi school gaye ho to mujhe herat ho gi jo itni jahilanaan bateen kar rahe ho or agar nahi gaye to pehle kabhi school ki shakal dekh kar aoo pher bat karna,main yahaan tumhara kiya howa tarjuma hi laga raha hoon. agar tumhe nahi pta to bta doon zamane (tens) 3 tarhaan ke hote hain PAST,PRESENT,FUTURE agar koi banda PAST ki bat kar raha ho to is ka matlab ye nahi hota ke PRESENT main bhi aisa ha, isi tarhan PRESENT ki bat ko PAST par apply nai kar sakte apne tarjume ko ghoor se parho or agar tumhe PAST OR PRESENT ke farq ka nahi pta to kisi 5th ya 6th class ke bache se poch lene ke is jumle se kofioon ka PAST main shia hona sabit hota ha ya PRESENT main bas is se ziyada main tumhe nahi samjha sakta ye bat tum kisi bache se samajh lena. 2: mujhe tumhari post main kaheen jawab nahi mila ke shiaan e ali as kon the or tum jawab kyun nahi de rahe ziyada se ziyada ik line likhni pare gi or ho sake to jiss tarhaan main tumhari post ko quote kiya ha tum bhi kardo take pta chal jaye ke mujhe aenak ki zaroorat ha ya tumhe dimagh check karwane ki ,wase jawab code word main to nahi likha na ??????? 3 : maine tumhari kutub se sabit kiya tha ke wahaan shia mojood nahi the 6,7 se ziyada shia nahi hoon ge jo apne aap ko chopaye howe the. mere un batoon ka tumne koi jawab nahi diya jab wahaan par shia the he nahi to imam hussain ke qatil wo kiss tarhaan howe??????? zara main apni wo post pher se lagata hoon is umeed se ke aap is bar mujhe us ka jawab de do. "hazrat ibne abbas ne hazrat imam hussain ko kaha ke aap kofe na jayeen wahaan ke ke loog dhoke baz han agar aap ko jana he ha to yaman chale jayeen wahaan aap ke shia mojood hain(ibarat saaf zahir karti ha ke wahaan shia nai the.) tabri jild 6 page 217. abeduullah ibne ziyaad ne hazrat hani bin arwa ra se kaha ke jab mera baaap yahaan ka governor howa tha to us ne yahaan se sare shia qatal kar diye the siwaye tum or tumhare baao ke(janab jab aap ke 5th calaipha ki hakomat aai thi to unho ne jo yahaan par chand sai shia the unho ko bhe marwa diya balke yaheen se nahi balke jahaan jahaan se ho saka)" (page oper wali post main attach ha check kae lena) ye sab khuch apne deffence main likha ha jis par ab aap ulti seedhi hank rahe ho ab zara hamara ATTACK ka jawab bhi de do jiss ka mujhe bohat intizar ha or aap ne abhi tak ik lafz bhi nahi likha. 4: ye teejani sahab ki post main maine alfaaz ko mazeed nomaya kar diya ha zara ise ghor se dekha ye jahil tun sab logoon ke jhoot par pani pheer raha ha ke us waqt shia nahi the jab shia the he nahi to qatil kaise howe. ye aap logoon ki jahalat ka ik or saboot ha. imam hussain as ke qatil koon the??? is topic main meri porani post he kafi ha jiska jawab nahi aya abhi tak pher se post kar raha hoon. kofioon ke aqaid, "ik martaba HAZRAT MALIK BIN ASHTAR RA ne hazrat usman ke khilaf khuch kaha to sare kofa wale un ke khilaf ho gye(yakeenan hazrat usman ko teesra khalifa mante hoon ge) tabri jild 5 page 189 misar kofe main aksariaat hamiaan e usman ki thi or wahan ki ye halat thi ke hazrat ali as ko galliaan di jateen theen. tabri jild 6 page 141 iman hussain as ko shaheed karne wale hazrat usman ko ameer ul momineen kehte the kiya koi shia kehta ha? (page attach kiya tha check kar lena)" imam hussain as se usman bin ufaan ka badla liya gya ab ye bhi koi shia le ga kia? (page attach ha) imam hussain ko shaheed karne wale to bohat se aap ke motabar loog han masllam umer ibne saad( saad ibne abi waqaas ka beta jo ashra mubashra main shamil ha) hazrat umer ise bohat passand karte the or un se door main wo hakoomat main bhe raha yakkeenan wo hazrat umer ko khalifa manta ho ga jo shia nai balke aap mante ho. mohammad bin ashas ali bin fart khood ibne ziyaad hazrat usman ko taki, zaki , ameerulmomineen wagera wagera manta tha jo aap logoon ka aqeeda ha. tareekh tabri." note : main musalsal dekh raha tha aap rah e faraar ikhtiyaar kar rahe the is liye ab aap pehle" kiya imam hussain as ke qatil shia the" ke teenoon points ka jawab do or pher last main apna deffend karo ab dekhta hoon tum kaise bhagte ho? is bar koi mantaki bat karna ya pher kisi bare ko bhejo manazre ke liye bachoon wali bat na karo.

janab aap to molvi sahab kehne par gusa he kar gaye agar aap ko bura laga to ab nahi kehta. or mujhe aap ki post main kaheen nahi mila mere sawal ka jawab ke shiaan e ali as main kon loog the zara aap khul kar jawab deen or aap ne mere aitrazaat ko pher se nahi chera main bar bar keh raha hoon ke main is ka aap ki har samjhoon ga agar aap ke pass koi jawab ha to do. rahi bat matam ki to wo apne shoro ki thi zara apni dosri post pher se parne ki zehmat to kareen. han aap ne shostri sahab ki bat ko zaroor chera tha jiska jawab main apni pehli post main khuch is tarhaan de chuka hoon. "wase is main cheezon ko miss quote kiyagya ha masllan illama norullah shostri sahab ki bat ki kofe mainshiaoon ka hona kisi daleel ka mohtaj nai, wahaan par kisi ko sunnisabit karne ke liye daleel chahiye to janab norullah sahab ki wafaat1009 hijri main hoi thi or ye kitaab unho ne 990 se 1000 hijri taklikhi ho gi to mere aqaalmand bhai ye bat 990 ke liye ha use aapyahoodioon ki tarhaan ye bat sabit na kareen ke wahaan us waqt shiathe.ye isi tarhan ha ke aaj agar saudia main wahabi ha to kiya 1400saal pehle bhi wahabi hn ge?" rahi aap ki tesri bat jis main aap ne jaan churane ke liye hame wela kaha ha to bhai agar ham wele hote to aap logoon ki tarhaan ki koi site khol kar bethe hote. aai samajh ??????? aap to yehi chahte ho ke aap aitraazaat karte raho or koi jawab na de kyunke is ae aap ka jhoot parka jata ha.

chisti sahab aap ki nazreen kharab hain ya dimagh??????? aap ko nazar nai a raha ke lajawaab kon ho raha ha ye dono sahebaan abhi tak is bat ka jawab nai de sake ke shiaan e ali as main sab shia the ??? or agar sab shia the to sunni kahaan the???????? agar aap ko pta ho to aap jawab de do in se to main poch poch kar thak gya hoon or sag madina sahab aap bhat achi koshish kar rahe hain mozo ko chang karne ki masllan last post main apne matam par bat shoro kar di molvi sahab agar matam par bat karni ha to wo bhi ho gi pehle aap imam hussain as ke qatiloon par to bat karlo.

sag madina sahab aap apni pori post ye sabit karne par lagate ho ke kofi loog shiaan e ali as kehlate the or is bat se maine abhi tak inkar nai kiya lekin main bhi yehi keh raha hoon ke wo loog shiaan e ali as kehlatw the or tareekh ne bhi un ko shiaan e ali as he likha ha. ab masla ye ha ke shiaan e ali as main agar sab loog shia the to aap loog kahan the or is ke ilawa main aap ki motabar tareen kutub se sabit kar chuka hn ke wo loog kon the aap apni ik bat ko bar bar repeat mat karo or mujhe is bat ka jawab do jis se aap abhi tak farar akhtoyar kar rahe ho ke shiaan e ali as main sab loog shia the agar sab loog shia the to aap log kahan the ??????????? main bar bar kehta hn ke meri post ghor se parho noorullah shastri sahab ki bat ka jawab main de chuka hoon agar maine koi jawab ghalt diya ha to pher btao. aap ki tesri bat teejani ke hawale se thi to ye theek ha ke main us ki post nai parta kyunke wo time zaya karne wali bat hoti ha ab maine us ki post pari ha par mujhe us main khuch khass nai mila agar aap ko mila ha to bta deen. or aap ki meharbani ho gi agar aap mujhe is sawal ka jawab do ge ke us waqt aap kahan the or maine aap ki books se sabit kiya ha ke imam hussain as ko aap ne shaheed kiya tha or aap abhi tak apne deffence main ik lafz bhi nai likh sake jisse main aap ki har manoon ga agar koi daleel ha to pesh karo or baraye meharbani koi mantaki bat karna.

mujhe lagta tha ke yahaan par tejani he aisa ha par ab lagta ha ke sab he aise hain tumne abhi tak kisi bat ka jawab nai deya or tumhari batoon ka jawab diya ja chuka ha agar aap ko us main koi masla ha to btao,, or is ke ilawa ye sabit ho chuka ha ke imam hussain as ko aap logoon ne shaheed kiya tha or aap ne abhi tak apne defend main ik lafz bhi nai likha. or to or jo is topic ka sabse eham sawal ha apne abhi tak us ka jawab bhi nai diya ke kiya shiaan e ali as main sab shia the??????? or agar sab shia the to sunni kahan the????? or baraye meharbani agar ab koi post karo ge to jawab zaroor dena .

to janab sabse pehle to main aap ki tawaja us sawal ki taraf dilwana chahta hn jo is behas ka sabse eham sawal ha or aap musalsal us se bhag rahe ho or wo ye ke jin logoon ko tareekh main shiaan e ali as kaha gya ha wo sabke sab shia the?????? agar wo sabke sab shia the to ahle sunnat kahan the ????? ab aap ki tawaja mazeed post ki taraf dilata hn jin ka jawab aap ne mujhe abhi tak nahi diya(aap ki is post ke bare main bat end pe kareen ge) meri pehli post main ik jagaan likha tha, "hazrat ibnr abbas ne hazrat imam hussain ko kaha ke aap kofe na jayeen wahaan ke ke loog dhoke baz han agar aap ko jana he ha to yaman chale jayeen wahaan aap ke shia mojood hain(ibarat saaf zahir karti ha ke wahaan shia nai the.) tabri jild 6 page 217. abeduullah ibne ziyaad ne hazrat hani bin arwa ra se kaha ke jab mera baaap yahaan ka governor howa tha to us ne yahaan se sare shia qatal kar diye the siwaye tum or tumhare baao ke(janab jab aap ke 5th calaipha ki hakomat aai thi to unho ne jo yahaan par chand sai shia the unho ko bhe marwa diya balke yaheen se nahi balke jahaan jahaan se ho saka)" (page oper wali post main attach ha check kae lena) aap ki tareekh ki sabse motabar tareen kitab se sabit kiya gya ha ke kofe ke loog shia na the , aap ki taraf se is bat ka koi jawab nai aya. mazeed lika tha: kofioon ke aqaid, ik martaba HAZRAT MALIK BIN ASHTAR RA ne hazrat usman ke khilaf khuch kaha to sare kofa wale un ke khilaf ho gye(yakeenan hazrat usman ko teesra khalifa mante hoon ge) tabri jild 5 page 189 misar kofe main aksariaat hamiaan e usman ki thi or wahan ki ye halat thi ke hazrat ali as ko galliaan di jateen theen. tabri jild 6 page 141 iman hussain as ko shaheed karne wale hazrat usman ko ameer ul momineen kehte the kiya koi shia kehta ha? (page attach kiya tha check kar lena) imam hussain as se usman bin ufaan ka badla liya gya ab ye bhi koi shia le ga kia? (page attach ha) imam hussain ko shaheed karne wale to bohat se aap ke motabar loog han masllam umer ibne saad( saad ibne abi waqaas ka beta jo ashra mubashra main shamil ha) hazrat umer ise bohat passand karte the or un se door main wo hakoomat main bhe raha yakkeenan wo hazrat umer ko khalifa manta ho ga jo shia nai balke aap mante ho. mohammad bin ashas ali bin fart khood ibne ziyaad hazrat usman ko taki, zaki , ameerulmomineen wagera wagera manta tha jo aap logoon ka aqeeda ha. tareekh tabri. in main se kisi bat ka jawab bhi muhe nahi mila , abdullah ibne umer wali bat or bukhari wali maine pher se post nai ki kyunke abdullah ibne umer wali bat se aap faraar ikhtiyar kar rahe ho or bukhari wali bat aapne ab pochi ha. aap ki last post: pehle to meri post ko ghoor se parha karo pher jawab diya karo maine ayyat ka tarjuma karne ko is waja se kaha tha ke us ka tarjuma khuch aise kiya jata ha ke IBRAHEEM AS NOH AS ke perokaroon main se the, maine ye kab kaha tha ke HAZRAT IBRAHIM AS ,HAZRAT ALI AS ke shia the??? aap ne to aise he itni lambi chori takreer kar di kehne ka maqsad sirf ye tha ke shia ka matlab perokaroon ke bhi hote hain jisska hawala main de chuka tha. or jand e jamal or sufeen main aap ke comments meri samajh se bahir hain aap ya to bohat bare jahil ho ya ahle bait ke gustakh aap ne likha tha"jang e jamal or dosri jang baghioon se hazrat usman ka badla lene ke liye hoi" kiya aap ko nahi pta ke jang e jamal or sufeen MOLA ALI AS ke khilaaf lari gai thi ya aap MOLA ALI AS ko muaazallah baghi keh rahe ho? or jab aap keh rahe ho ke jang e jamal or sufeen baghioon se badla lene ke liye lari gai thi to kiya mola ali as baghi the janab aap ki is post ki mujhe bilkul bhi samajh nai aai ke aap kehna kiya chah rahe ho. aap ne noorullah shostri shab wali bat ki to mere bhai main bar bar keh raha hn ke meri post ko par kar jawab diya karo is ka jawab maine pehli post main de diya tha ja kar par lo shayad isi bahane aap meri baki post bhi par lo , or yahaan sawal dobaraan se mat duhraoo agar maine jawab sahi nai diya to us par bat karo. aap ki aheri wali bat bhi bohat he ahamkana thi aap logoon ke matam karne se ye sabit kar rahe ho ke wo shia the agar aap ke mohalle main koi death ho jati ha or us ke azeez matam karte hain masllan apna mon or sar petate hain to is se ye sabit hota ha ke wo shia the or agar kisi ke petane se wo shia sabit hota ha pher to hazrat adam ,hazrat bilaal,hazrat fatima,hazrat owaise karni,hazrat ayesha,hazrat hajiraan or bhi bohat se log shia sabit hote hain kher wo aleda topic ha or is end wali baat ka jawab mazzeed tafseel se dn ga pehle aap mere is poar ke sabse pehle sawal ka jawab to do take us hisab se apko jawab doon.

janab aap ne likha ke shia ke mani garooh ko kehte hain to bhai aap ki defination sahi to ha par aap meri defination ko ghalt nai keh sake shia ke mani garooh or perokaar dono ke hain masllan aap HAZRAT ABRAHEEM AS , NOH AS ke shia the yahan shia ka kiya matlab ho ga. shia kisi shaks ke perokaroon or madadgaroon ko kehtw hain. QAMOOS jild 3 page 47 misar asal main shia garooh ko kehte hain or pher thora age likha ha ke shia kisi ke perokaroon ko bhi kehte hain. lughatal hadees kitaab "sheen"page 162 jild 2 (meer mohammadi kutab khana karachi) kher ye mozo nahi ha warna khuch or bhi hawale deta. chaleen aap ne likha ke umer ibne saad ko aap nahi mante to kiya wo shia tha???? or agar hazrat usman ko ik baghi garooh ne qatal kiya tha to jang e jamal or sufeen kyun hoi or wase bhi maine aap ko aap ki kitaboon ke hawale diye the jiss main saaf saaf likha ha ke IMAM HUSSAIN AS se hazrat usman ka badla liya gya , wase bhagioon ke garooh ne HAZRAT AMMAR YASIR RA ko zaroor shaheed kiya tha jiske bohat se hawale aap ki kutab main hadees ki roshni main mojood ha. janab agar meri bat ki aap ko sahi samajh nai aai to main kiya karoon aqal se bhi khuch kaam liya karo tareekhi aitbaar se HAZRAT ALI AS 4th khalifa hain par ham khilafat e salasa ko nahi mante or shiaan e ali as main aise loog shamil the jo khilafat e salasa ko mante the ye is cheez ki daleel thi ke wo shia nahi ha is bat ko mazeed samjhane ke liye main tohfa isna asheri ke khuch pages lagaye the par aap ne un ki koi bat nai ki agar nazar nai aye to phir daikhaiy to mere bhai waha saaf saaf likha ha ke shiaan e ali as main sunni bhi the ab pehchane to dono shia e ali as ke naam se jate the to ye janane ke liye ke wo shia hain ya nahi zaroori ha ke un ke agaid ka pta chalaya jaye or ye bat maine aap he ki kitabon se sabit kar di thi ke un ke aqaid aap wale the , agar meri bat se koi ikhtilaf ha to koi daleel lao or tum ye mante ho ke wo sare shia the to to us waqy sunni kahan the???????? or agar nahi the to ab kahan se aye?????????? kher ye aap ki post ka jawab tha or meri post ki aksar batoon ka to aap ne sire se jawab he nahi diya tha or abdullah ibne umer wali bat bhi bas ye keh kar tali thi ke alag topic bnaoo na imam bukhari wali bat ka koi jawab diya or bhi bohat si cheezeen theen ho sake to post ko dubaraan parho.

wase in sahab ne jo kaha ke imam as ko shioon ne qatal kiya tha to janab pehle to aap ko bta doon ke shia ke kiya mani hote hain shia ke mani perokaroon ke hote hain or islaam main jo pehle 2 groh bne un main se ik shiaan e ali as kehalwaya or dosra shiaan e moawiya to aap btana passand karo ge ke wo sab loog shia the ya nai par yaad rakhna ke aap ke haan hadees moshahoor ha ke mere sahaba sitaroon ki manind hain jiss ki bhe perwi karo ge hidayat pao ge to pher to dono garohhon main he shia the is ka matlab howa ke tamaan sahaba shia the??????? or is tarhaan shioon ka haq par hona sabit hota ha ab,shiaan e ali as hazrat ali as ko haq par mante the or shiaan e mowvaiya mouawiya ko or agar ab aap ye kehte ho ke shiaan e ali main sab log shia the(shia se meri muraad aaj ke shia han) to pher bhe shiaoon ka haq par hona sabit ha, kyun hadees mashhoor ha or sab firqoon main mani jati ha ke ALI HAQ KE SATH HA OR HAQ ALI KE SATH , to janab aaj aap ko ik bat btata hoon jo shayad aap pehli bar sun rahe hoon kyunke aap log apni aqal ka istimal to karte nai or apne jahil moulaoon ke peche bhagte rehte ho, wo bat ye ha ke un shiaan e ali as main aksar log gher shia the is ki ik bari daleel ye ha ke wo log hazrat ali as ko 4th calipha mante the jabke ham khilafat e salasa koi nai mante mere kheyal se shia suni tafreek ke liye ye bat bohat aham ha. ab kiya aap ye kehte ho wo sab shia the? jinhe shiaan e ali as kaha gya ha wo sab shia the?(yani hazrat ali as mazhab shia ki tableegh karte the ) ya pher ye k un shiaan e ali as main shia bhi the or gher shia bhi. is main se tesri bat sahi ha dallell ke liye tohfa isna ashera ka page par lijiye jisss main likha ha k pehle sunioon ko bhi shia kaha jata tha. mokhtasarran kofa ko hazrat umer ne abad kiya tha or hazrat umer wahaan ke loogoon ko bohat passand karte the. tabkat ibne sad jild 6 page 3 ik martaba HAZRAT MALIK BIN USHTAR RA ne hazrat usman ke khilaf khuch kaha to sare kofa wale un ke khilaf ho gye(yakeenan hazrat usman ko teesra khalifa mante hoon ge) tabri jild 5 page 189 misar kofe main aksariaat hamiaan e usman ki thi or wahan ki ye halat thi ke hazrat ali as ko galliaan di jateen theen. tabri jild 6 page 141. hazrat ibnr abbas ne hazrat imam hussain ko kaha ke aap kofe na jayeen wahaan ke ke loog dhoke baz han agar aap ko jana he ha to yaman chale jayeen wahaan aap ke shia mojood hain(ibarat saaf zahir karti ha ke wahaan shia nai the.) tabri jild 6 page 217. abeduullah ibne ziyaad ne hazrat hani bin arwa ra se kaha ke jab mera baaap yahaan kagovernor howa tha to us ne yahaan se sare shia qatal kar diye the siwaye tum or tumhare baao ke(janab jab aap ke 5th calaipha ki hakomat aai thi to unho ne jo yahaan par chand sai shia the unho ko bhe marwa diya balke yaheen se nahi balke jahaan jahaan se ho saka) . wase is main cheezon ko miss quote kiya gya ha masllan illama norullah shostri sahab ki bat ki kofe main shiaoon ka hona kisi daleel ka mohtaj nai, wahaan par kisi ko sunni sabit karne ke liye daleel chahiye to janab norullah sahab ki wafaat 1009 hijri main hoi thi or ye kitaab unho ne 990 se 1000 hijri tak likhi ho gi to mere aqaalmand bhai ye bat 990 ke liye ha use aap yahoodioon ki tarhaan ye bat sabit na kareen ke wahaan us waqt shia the.ye isi tarhan ha ke aaj agar saudia main wahabi ha to kiya 1400 saal pehle bhi wahabi hn ge? kofioon ke aqaid: ik martaba HAZRAT MALIK BIN USHTAR RA ne hazrat usman ke khilaf khuch kaha to sare kofa wale un ke khilaf ho gye(yakeenan hazrat usman ko teesra khalifa mante hoon ge) tabri jild 5 page 189 misar kofe main aksariaat hamiaan e usman ki thi or wahan ki ye halat thi ke hazrat ali as ko galliaan di jateen theen. tabri jild 6 page 141. iman hussain as ko shaheed karne wale hazrat usman ko ameer ul momineen kehte the kiya koi shia kehta ha? imam hussain as se usman bin ufaan ka badla liya gya ab ye bhi koi shia ye ga kia? imam hussain ko shaheed karne wale to bohat se aap ke motabar loog han masllam umer ibne saad( saad ibne abi waqaas ka beta jo ashra mubashra main shamil ha) hazrat umer ise bohat passand karte the or un se door main wo hakoomat main bhe raha yakkeenan wo hazrat umer ko khalifa manta ho ga jo shia nai balke aap mante ho. mohammad bin ashas ali bin fart wagera wagera wagera. or shemar maloon se aap se sab se bare mohadiss iman bukhari ne hadeeseen rawayat karke apni lazawan mohabbat ka saboot diya ha. khood ibne ziyaad hazrat usman ko taki, zaki , ameerulmomineen wagera wagera manta tha jo aap logoon ka aqeeda ha. tareekh tabri. aap ke bohat motabar sahabi abdullah ibne umer ne kaha jo yazeed ki beyaat tore ga wo mujh se juda hoga ab btaiye ke ibne umer ka mokaam kin ke haaan buland ha????? in sab batoon se zahir hota he ke iman hussain as ke qatiloon ke aqaid shioon se to nai alibata aap logoon se zaroor milte hain. or ye shaks apne aap ko ahle bait as ka mohib keh raha ha to pher ye nara haideri kyun nai lagwata balke mana karta ha nara haideri se hazrat hassan as ka yahan bethe howe bare bare alimoon ko nai pta ke un ki shahadat kab hoi thi , mazeed ye kehta ha ke shia iman hassan as ka koi jalous nai nikalte to bhai main lahore main rehta hn agar aap kabho lhr aoon to dekhna mochi gate pe 28 safar ko imam hussain as ka kitna bara jalous hota ha.