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Ghulam e Azhari Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Shabeer Usmani was the only Deobandi molvi who in his last stage favoured formation of Pakistan. Anyhow he was, with respect to belief, a Deobandi prominent scholar. It was Deobandi's Sheikh ul Islam Hussain Ahmad Tandvi congressy Gandhwi (who was mohtamim of Dar ul Uloom Deoband) who said Quaid e Azam as Kafir e Azam. SHABEER AHMED USMANI VS ATAULLAH BUKHARI CONDITION OF MOULVI SHABEER AHMED USMANI: His fault was that he joined ‘Muslim League’ and voted for the foundation of Pakistan in last stages. FATWA OF ATAULLAH BUKHARI: “People who vote ‘Muslim League’ for Pakistan are pigs and pig-eaters!” (Chamanistan, page 165, compiled by Moulvi Zafar Ali) SHABEER USMANI VS HUSSAIN AHMED TANDVI OF CONGRESS QUAID-E-A’ZAM FOUNDER OF PAKISTAN MUHAMMAD ALI JINNAH: His fault was that he worked hard for achievement of a magnificent Islamic country for the innocent people of Indo-Pak! This struggle made ‘Shaykh ul Islam’ of Congress Hussain Ahmed Tandvi Annoyed. Hussain Ahmed Tandvi labeled joining ‘Muslim League’ as forbidden, and gave “Quaid-e-A’zam” the title of “Kaafir-e-A’zam” (the greatest infidel). (Majmoo’a-e-Khutba, page 48) When Moulvi Shabeer Usmani Deobandi said it is the reckless disgrace and foolishness to call “Quaid-e-A’zam” as “Kaafir-e-A’zam”. (Majmoo’a-e-Khutba, page 32) Then he (Hussain Ahmed) suddenly demolished the label of ‘Shaykh ul Islam’ of the helpless Shabeer Usmani and granted him the splendid label of “Abu Jahal” (father of illiterate). (Mukaalimatus Sidreen, page 33) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahledeoband Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 میں آپ حضرات کو یہ بات واضح کردینا چاہتا ہوں کہ علمائے دیوبند میں سے مولانا شبیر احمد عثمانی نے قائداعظم کا جنازہ پڑھایا تھا اور پاکستان کا پرچم کراچی میں سب سے پہلے مولانا شبیر احمد عثمانی نے لہرایا تھا۔اور قائد اعظم نے یہ وصیت کی تھی کہ میرا جنازہ شبیر احمد عثمانی پڑھائے ۔ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccedentesiast Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 میں آپ حضرات کو یہ بات واضح کردینا چاہتا ہوں کہ علمائے دیوبند میں سے مولانا شبیر احمد عثمانی نے قائداعظم کا جنازہ پڑھایا تھا اور پاکستان کا پرچم کراچی میں سب سے پہلے مولانا شبیر احمد عثمانی نے لہرایا تھا۔اور قائد اعظم نے یہ وصیت کی تھی کہ میرا جنازہ شبیر احمد عثمانی پڑھائے ۔ اس وضاحت سے آپ کو کوئی فائدہ ہوگا نہ آپ کے مسلک کو ... کیونکہ عثمانی صاحب کے جن افعال کا ذکر آپ نے کیا وہ موصوف کے ذاتی افعال تھے اور ذاتی افعال جماعتی موقف کی ترجمانی کے لیے کافی نہیں ہوتے ... نیز عثمانی صاحب کے ان افعال کو دیوبندیوں وہابیوں نے جرم سمجھا جس کی پاداش میں عثمانی صاحب کے ساتھ زیادتیاں کی گیئ ... جنکا حال ملاحظہ کیجئے Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eccedentesiast Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 آپ نے حسین احمد کانگریسی صاحب کی کتاب کے حوالے سے مکالمہ کو منسوب شدہ ثابت کرنے کی کوشش کی .... لیکن ہم نے تو حسین احمد صاحب کی طرف کوئی بات منسوب ہی نہیں کی ... ہم نے شبیر احمد عثمانی صاحب کا بیان نقل کیا ہے ، لہذا اگر عثمانی صاحب نے اس کتاب سے اپنی برات کا اظہار کیا ہو تو دکھلایئے .... ... اگر حسین صاحب مکالمہ کا رد کر سکتے ہیں تو عثمانی صاحب کیوں نہیں ؟؟؟ کیونکہ کتاب تو عثمانی صاحب کی طرف منسوب ہے ... دوسرا ، آپنے لکھا : اصل حقیقت اس کتاب کی فقط اتنی ہے کہ نظریہ قومیت کے اختلاف پر جمعیت علماۓ ہند .....آخر غور طلب بات ہے کہ اکابر علماے دیوبند تو قومیت کے مسلے پر ہی عثمانی صاحب سے اختلاف رکھتے تھے ... علیحدہ مملکت کا قیام تو دور کی بات ہے .. اس کا ایک پہلو یہ بھی ہے کہ عثمانی صاحب نے اپنی علحیدہ جماعت بنا لی تھی.. ................ ایک بات ہم پھر دہرانا چاہتے ہیں کہ عثمانی صاحب کے ذاتی افعال کسی بھی صورت دیوبندی گروہ کی ترجمانی نہیں کر سکتے Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Muhammad Atif Sha Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 jwab hay itny asheq Rasool thy kisi ek ko bhi yea sadat hasil nahi hoiiiiiii ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccedentesiast Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 jwab Abhi tak Usmani Sahib ki traf say tardeed paish naheen kigayi Ager to usmani sahib ko dastkhat k liay kaha gya aor aapnay inkar kr dea tab to aor bat hay laikin aesa hargiz naheen hay.. lihaza aap usmani sahib ka hwala naqal krain jahan unhon nay tardeed ki ho... Shukria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhammad Atif Sha Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Usmani sab ney is book ki tardeed nahi ki tu kabool bhi tu nahi kia na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccedentesiast Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Usmani sab ney is book ki tardeed nahi ki tu kabool bhi tu nahi kia na Qubool nheen kia , Sabit krain Hazrat.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhammad Atif Sha Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 bhotan tu ap ney bager tasdeek key man lea tha ........... ap tardeed key lea tasdek ki zarorat per gai........ bhoot khub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccedentesiast Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 bhotan tu ap ney bager tasdeek key man lea tha ........... ap tardeed key lea tasdek ki zarorat per gai........ bhoot khub kisnay kaha??? Jnab wo kitab Usmani sahib k zindagi main shaya hui , uooper usmani sahib ka naam likha hay , usmani sahib ki taraf say koi tardeed shaya naheen hui , kia hmaray leay yeh kaafi naheen hay????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhammad Atif Sha Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 janab ala yea kitab usmani sab ki zindagi mey chapi ab chya yea tha k vo is per tasdeek lekh deen lekin unho ney esa nahi kia....... lehaza is sey sabit hova k un ko is kitab per etebar nahi tha or is mey man many or mangharat vakeat lekhy gay hain............. agar un ko is kitab ki her bat per bulkul bharosa hota tu vo yaqeenan is ki tasdeeq kar dety ............. shukriya........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccedentesiast Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 janab ala yea kitab usmani sab ki zindagi mey chapi ab chya yea tha k vo is per tasdeek lekh deen lekin unho ney esa nahi kia....... lehaza is sey sabit hova k un ko is kitab per etebar nahi tha or is mey man many or mangharat vakeat lekhy gay hain............. agar un ko is kitab ki her bat per bulkul bharosa hota tu vo yaqeenan is ki tasdeeq kar dety ............. shukriya........... kia har kitab per tasdeeqi dastkhat dekhtay hain aap???? naheen jab unhon nay tardeed nheen ki to hamain kesya pta chalay k yeh kitab unki traf mansoob hay kionkay kitab unki zindagi main chapi thi ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhammad Atif Sha Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Bhoot khub jab tak kitab ki tasdeek na ho tu kesy pata chaly ga k Musanef ney apni khar nikali hey k sachai sey dor dor tak bhi is k koi taluk hey................... kia esi kitab ki ke tasdeek na ho us kitab ki bina per kisi per elzam/ bhotan lagana ap ki mazhab mey jaez hey????? Bhoot khub jab tak kitab ki tasdeek na ho tu kesy pata chaly ga k Musanef ney apni khar nikali hey k sachai sey dor dor tak bhi is k koi taluk hey................... kia esi kitab ki ke tasdeek na ho us kitab ki bina per kisi per elzam/ bhotan lagana ap ki mazhab mey jaez hey????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alteejani Posted August 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Bhoot khub jab tak kitab ki tasdeek na ho tu kesy pata chaly ga k Musanef ney apni khar nikali hey k sachai sey dor dor tak bhi is k koi taluk hey................... kia esi kitab ki ke tasdeek na ho us kitab ki bina per kisi per elzam/ bhotan lagana ap ki mazhab mey jaez hey????? Bhoot khub jab tak kitab ki tasdeek na ho tu kesy pata chaly ga k Musanef ney apni khar nikali hey k sachai sey dor dor tak bhi is k koi taluk hey................... kia esi kitab ki ke tasdeek na ho us kitab ki bina per kisi per elzam/ bhotan lagana ap ki mazhab mey jaez hey????? JANAB BAT SIDI SE HE JAB KITAB KI TARDID NA HO TO KESAY PATA CHALE GA KE JIN SE YE KITAB MANSUB HE WOH INKARI HE,AB SE KOI BAT MANSUB KIA JAE OR AP OSKI TARDEED NA KARE TO JANAB PHIR YE HI MANA JAE GA KE AP BAT KO QABOOL KAR RAHE HEN,WARNA AP YAQEENAN TARDEED KAR DETE,OR CHUNKE KITAB SHABEER AHMED USMANI SAB KI ZINDAGI ME HI PUBLISH HO CHOKI HE TO YE NA MAAQOL SI BAT HE KE WOH DEKH KER BHI AN JAN BAN RAHE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccedentesiast Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Bhoot khub jab tak kitab ki tasdeek na ho tu kesy pata chaly ga k Musanef ney apni khar nikali hey k sachai sey dor dor tak bhi is k koi taluk hey................... kia esi kitab ki ke tasdeek na ho us kitab ki bina per kisi per elzam/ bhotan lagana ap ki mazhab mey jaez hey????? Altejani bhai ki bat per ghor krain aor kia usmani sahib ki har kitab per usmani k dastkhat dekh kr tasdeeq ki jati hay kia??? kia har musanif aakhir main apni kitab ki tasdeeq krta hay aor dastkhat krta hay???? jab kitab k writer ka nam Shabeer Ahmad Usmani tahreer hay aor kitab musanif ki zindagi main chap rhi hay , aor musanif iski tardeed nhi kr rha ....to iska matlab kia hua??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhammad Atif Sha Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 JANAB BAT SIDI SE HE JAB KITAB KI TARDID NA HO TO KESAY PATA CHALE GA KE JIN SE YE KITAB MANSUB HE WOH INKARI HE,AB SE KOI BAT MANSUB KIA JAE OR AP OSKI TARDEED NA KARE TO JANAB PHIR YE HI MANA JAE GA KE AP BAT KO QABOOL KAR RAHE HEN,WARNA AP YAQEENAN TARDEED KAR DETE,OR CHUNKE KITAB SHABEER AHMED USMANI SAB KI ZINDAGI ME HI PUBLISH HO CHOKI HE TO YE NA MAAQOL SI BAT HE KE WOH DEKH KER BHI AN JAN BAN RAHE ho sakta hey unho ney is kitab ko itni ahmeat na di ho......... yea bhi ho sakta hey k un ko is kitab ka pata nahi chala ho........ jis tarha tardeed nahi ki usi tarha tasdeek bhi tu nahi ki....... tasdeek shuda kitab hoti tu bat thi tasdeek na hony ki vaja sey ap ki yea kushesh serf bohtan sey zada or kuch nahi hey........Shukriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alteejani Posted August 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 ho sakta hey unho ney is kitab ko itni ahmeat na di ho......... yea bhi ho sakta hey k un ko is kitab ka pata nahi chala ho........ jis tarha tardeed nahi ki usi tarha tasdeek bhi tu nahi ki....... tasdeek shuda kitab hoti tu bat thi tasdeek na hony ki vaja sey ap ki yea kushesh serf bohtan sey zada or kuch nahi hey........Shukriya AP LOGO KA YEHI MASLA HE,AP LOG HAQAEQ SE HAMESHA ANKH CHORATE RAHE HEN,MUHTARAB KITAB HAMNE NAHI LIKHI JIN SAB NE LIKHI HE UNKO KAHTE TO KOI BAT BAN TI,PHIR SHABEER AHEMD USMANI SAB KIO CHUP BEHTAE,IS BAT KA TO SAWAL HI NAHI PEDA HOTA KE JIS MADRESSE SE WOH MUNTSIB RAHE HO OR UNKE MUTALIQ KOI BAT SARE AAM KI JA RAHI HE OR AP PHIR BHI KHAMOOSH RAHE KYA MATLAB,AP APNI BAT KI KOI DAEEL NA LA SAKE AB DOSRO PER KICHAR MAT UCHALEN SHUKRIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhammad Atif Sha Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 AP LOGO KA YEHI MASLA HE,AP LOG HAQAEQ SE HAMESHA ANKH CHORATE RAHE HEN,MUHTARAB KITAB HAMNE NAHI LIKHI JIN SAB NE LIKHI HE UNKO KAHTE TO KOI BAT BAN TI,PHIR SHABEER AHEMD USMANI SAB KIO CHUP BEHTAE,IS BAT KA TO SAWAL HI NAHI PEDA HOTA KE JIS MADRESSE SE WOH MUNTSIB RAHE HO OR UNKE MUTALIQ KOI BAT SARE AAM KI JA RAHI HE OR AP PHIR BHI KHAMOOSH RAHE KYA MATLAB,AP APNI BAT KI KOI DAEEL NA LA SAKE AB DOSRO PER KICHAR MAT UCHALEN SHUKRIA Hazrat masla ap key sath hey haqaeq ko tur maror kar bean karny ka.............. mey phey bhi arz kar chouka hon k ho sakta hey un ko pata na ho ....... lehaza is kitab ki koi isal nahi hey or na hi yea kisi per ilzam lagany key lea kafi hey............. ap kham kha apna fazool batoon or logo ko Gumrah karny k lea time barbad kar rahy hain ........ Shukriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunniDefender Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 mkalma tl asdoarin kitaab k scan pages mil skty hn ?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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