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Sub forum members khidmat me arz hai k Brelvio k Mash-hoor Mufti Ghulam Sarwar Qadri Sahib jo k Dar al Aloom Jamia Rizvia k Sarbrah hai...un k bhi fatwa mojood hai k Sabz Amama Shuaar k toor pe bandhna Biddat hai...Aur Un ho ne Wazeh Toar pe Fatwa me likha hai k Sabz Amama pehan kr Dawat e Islami wale hazraat aur Ilyas Qadri Sahib Biddat k Murtakib ho rahe hai....! :rolleyes:

 

Jnab Ahsan Ullah Attari sahib pehle Ghar k Bhaidi ki position to wazeh krain k Aap Mufti Sahib k Fatwa k Mutaliiq kia farmate hai...? Un ko Brelvi Aalim mante hai k nahi...? Aur agr mante hai to phir is fatwa ko bhi mante hai k nahi.......? Aap k Eaterazzat aur Deobandi Books se Fatwo ki bhi wazahat krne ki koshish kro ga....mgr pehle Mufti Sahib wali Explanation dain!

 

Phir mazeed koi baat ho gi....!

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Toheedi Sahib! Bohat Khoob! AAp ki is posting se mujh per Aap ki Ana Parasti...Brelviat Parsti aur Jahalat Khoob Wazeh ho chuki hai...! Keep it up!

 

Mufti Sarwar Sahib Khair se Aap logo k Mash-hoor Brelvi Mufti hai...Aur AAp ne Jab Apni Ana aur Mouquf pe zad parte daikhi to sire se hi Mufti sahib ko Side pe utha kr rakh dia! :lol:

 

Mohteram Aap k Bqoal......Mufti sahib ki apni Tahqeeq hai aur us ko mannna koi farz ya wajib nahi.........Parh kr to mujhe Hansi aa rahi hai k Aap logo k haa Aap k Choti k Mufti ka itna hi muqaam reh gea hai k Un k Fatwa ko Aik Ghair Zarori Tehqeeq keh kr Side pe kr dia jae aur Mai na manu Haar k Misdaaq Apni Elmeat pe Bharosa kia jae...!

 

Mohteram Toheedi sahib...Jab aik Brelvi Mufti ne Daleelo k sath baat wazeh kr di hai aur Saaf likha hai k Dawat e Islami wale aur Ilyas Qadri Sahib Is biddat me Mashghool hai to Aap kon hote hai jo k keh sakain k un ki tahqeeq mannana Wajib nahi...Na to AAp koi itne bare Brelvi Mufti hai k Mai Aap ki Zati Rae pe Mufti Sahib k Fatwa ko Side pe rakh doo aur na hi Mufti Sahib itne Little Mufti hai k Hum un k Fatwa ko Nazar Andaz kr dain....!

Ab jab k aap k pass jawab nahi aur ghar k aik bhaidi ne hi aap ko ruswa kr dia hai to aap logo ko bokhlahat chup nahi rahi...! Yehi to aap logo me bemari hai k jo baat aap logo k tareek qaloobo k Achi lage to us ko aap log le laite hai aur jo baat Aap k matlab ki na ho to us ko "Mannana Farz...Wajib nahi" k apna zati fatwa thok daite ho...! Deen k sath is se bara mazaaq aur kia ho sakta hai Mohteram..? :unsure:

 

To aap kehna chahte hai k Mufti sahib ki apni tahqeeq Fazool aur Ghalat hai aur itne standard ki nahi k us pe Eatebaar bhi kia jae...? Mohteram Toheedi sahib..Mufti sahib ne jin details k sath baat ki hai....(dosre lafzo me jis detail se aap logo ko be-naqab kia hai) to jnab Aap k pass na manne k siwa aur bacha hi kia hai...?

 

Lakin hairat hai aap brelvio pe k apne itne aala Mufti k fatwa pe bhi emaan nahi le k aate! Sharam k muqaam hai....! :unsure:

 

Daral aloom Deoband ki baat to baad me ho gi jnab...pehle is baat ka jawab dain k Aap is fatwa ko mante hai k nahi....? Muft Sahib k Fatwa ko "Un ki Apni Tehqeeq" qarar de k aap log apni doghli khaslat dikha rahe hai...! Baat goal moal na krain k Un ki apni Tehqwwq hai bl ke Wazeh jawab dain k Aap log Un k Fatwa ko mante hai k nahi...?

 

Subhan Allah! Nafas Parasti ki zinda misaal aaj apni aankho se daikhne ko mil gae! :lol:

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Aur jnab aap ne shayed ghoor se Mufti Sahib ka fatwa bhi nahi parha...! Mufti sahib ne Wazeh likha hai k Shuaar k toar pe Sabz Amama pehnna Biddat hai...aur un ho ne Sabit bhi kia...! Jaha tak aap ne Sahaba kram wali hadees quote ki to mohteram arz itni hai k Sahaba karam ne bhi agr Sabz amam pehne to unho ne Shuaar k toar pe nahi pehna Jaisa k Aap k Dawat e Islami wale pehnte hai...!

 

Agr aap ne ghor krne ki zehmat ki hoti to aap ko Mufti sahib k fatwa me nazar aa jata k waha pe bhi likha hai k Sunnat sirf Sufaid amama hai lakin Black Aur Green bhi jaiz hai...!

 

Toi mohteram lagi kuch samjh? :unsure:

 

Matlab k Sabz amama pehnna bhi jaiz hai lakin Shuaar k toar pe pehnna (Jaisa k Dawat E islami wale aur Ilyas Qadri Sahib Pehnte hai) Na-Jaiz..Ghalat...Aur Biddat hai. Aur is ki Biddat mai nahi bl ke Ap k Brelvi Mufti Keh rahe hai...!

 

Sahaba kram ne bhi amama pehna mgr shuaar k toar pe nahi pehna warna mufti sahib kabhi bhi Sabz amama ko Biddat na kehte...! Aur jaha tak Aap ne daral aloom wali posting me Tulba ko Sabz Amama pehnte howe paish kia hai to mera itna sa sawal hai k Tulba ko sabz Dastar bandhna kia biddat hai...?...jab ke pehle bhi baat ho chuki k Sabz amama pehnna jaiz hai...lakin Shuaar k toar pe pehnna jaiz nahi...! to kia aap sabit kr sakte hai k Dar al aloom DEOBAND k tulba ne us k baad hamaisha Sabz amama pehna aur us ko Shuaar bna lai..? Umeed hai k aap k sawal k jawab mil gea ho ga!

 

Umeed hai k aap ki nazauk si khoopri me itni si baat aa gae ho gi k Sabz amama pehnna Jaiz hai lakin Shuaar k toar pe pehnna Biddat hai aur Aap k Mufti sahib k Baqoal Dawat e islami wale Hazraat aur Ilyas Qadri sahib is biddat me mashghool o Masroof hai...aur Itna to sub jante hai k Biddat Jahannum ki taraf lke jati hai........!

 

Ab chahe aap Mufti Sahib k fatwa ko mane k na mane...mgr aap k manne aur na manne ki haiseat hi kia..........! Kam se kam Ap itne qabil nahi k Mufti sahib k fatwa pe apni kuch mantaq jhar sakain...! :lol:

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(salam) .....

 

دیگر مفیتان اھلسنت کے فتوے بھی موجود ہیں جنہوں نے اس بات پر تفصیلی بحث کی ہے وہ آپ کو نظر نہیں آئیں گے کیونکہ آپ جیسے مفتریوں کا کام فتنہ اور فساد پھیلانا ہے۔

رہی بات آپ کا دعوت اسلامی کے لوگوں کے بارے میں بات کرنے کی تو دعوت اسلامی سے متعلق بھائیوں سے آج تک نہیں سنا گیا کہ خالی سبزعمامہ پہننا جائزہےاور دیگرنہیں۔اور دعوت اسلامی سے وابستہ بہت سے علماء کو سبز عمامہ کے علاوہ دیگر عمامے پہنے آپ نے نہیں دیکھا توکیؤ ٹی وی میں کافی علماء آتے ہیں آپ نظر دوڑا لیجئے گا۔

انا پرستی اور جاھلیت کا شکار اھلسنت والجماعت نہیں یہ آپ کا طرہء امتیاز ہے آپ کو تو کوا بھی سفید نظر آتا ہے۔

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(salam)

 

Ahle Sunnat Sahib! Sachi Baat pe ghussa to aa hi jata hai na! mohteram mai ne Baqi Muftio ki baat nahi ki thi bl ke nai ne Sirf Mufti Ghulam Sahib k fatwa ki baat ki thi....Aur Aap logo se aik simple sawal pocha tha jis ka jawab Toheedi sahib to goal moal kr ge aur aap ne bhi seedha jawab daine ki bjae Idhar Udhar ki Sunae! Mai ne pocha tha k aap log Mufti je ka Fatwa tasleem krte ho k nahi...? Jawab dain aur pet jawab dain! Agr dosre muftio ne Green Amama k haq me pe fatawa dea hai to phir Mufti Gulam Sarwar Sahib ne Dawat e Islami wale Brelvio Aur Ap k Molana pe Biddati hone ka fatwa q paish kia hai..? Aakhir un ko bhi to kuch haqeeqat nazar ae na! Lakin Aap loog ho k Ana parasti me Doobte ja rahe ho! Lagta hai k forum pe aap loog debate sirf jeet k leaq krte ho aur apne aqaeed ko defend krne k kea krte ho...na k Haqeeqat aur Haq ki talash k lea...!

Ahle Sunnat sahib Baat itnei hai k Aap logo ko abhi tak itni baat smjh me nahi ae k Sabz amama pehnna jaiz hai aur kisi bhi rang ka bhi jaiz hai lakin us ko apni pehchanm bna laina aur us ko hi afzal kehna Biddat hai aur Dawat e islami wale isi pattern pe chal rahe hain...! Umeed hai k ab baat smjh me aa gae ho gi!

 

Toheedi sahib! AAp to ziddi bache ki tarah posting krte ja rahe hai aur jawabaat se bhagte ja rahe hai! Jnab aap eateraz krne ki bjae apne ghar k bhaidi mufti se q nahi rabta krte k unho ne itna nadir fatwa kin wajohaat ki bina pe paish krna munasib smjha! :rolleyes:

 

Aur aap ko kis ne keh dia k Deobandi Ulama aur Tulba Peela roomal Shuaar k toar pe istemaal krti hai..? Sir je mai kai baar keh chuka hoon aur ab phir keh raha hoon k koi bhi rang jaiz hai aur pehna ja sakta hai (jaisa k aap k mufti je ne bhi wazeh kia) Mgr Shuaar k toar pe pehnna Biddat hai! Aur Aap sabit krain k Deobandi Ulma aur Tulba Shuaar k toar pe Peela Romaal istemaal krte hai.....!

Jaha tak aap logo ki baat hai to mohteram mai ne aap hi k mufti ka fatwa aap logo k samne saboot k toar pe rakha hai jis mai mufti je ne wazeh toar pe aap logo ki Dawat e islami k Jeeaaloo aur Aap k Karachi wale Head Moulana k bare me Sabz amam Shuaar k toar pe istemaal krna sabit kia gea hai....!

 

Aaap k pass bhi koi aisa sasboot hai to paish krain.............................! :rolleyes:

 

Next posting me zra mere sawal k jawab pe bhi himmat krna aap Hazraat!

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Toheedi sahib! ajeeb hi situation ban chuki hai. Ab mai kis ki baat manu aur kis ki na manu?

Aik taraf to aap k Choti k Mufti Ghulam Sarwar Sahib hai jo k Zahir hai k Baghair Tahqeeq k Fatwa nahi de sakte..! aur dosri taraf aap hai jo k farama rahe hai k Dawat e Islami wale Shuaar k toar pe Sabz Amama nahi pehnte...!

 

Ab 2 hi soratain ho sakti hai. Pehli sorat k Aap ki Baat Rad kr di jae aur Muft Sahib k Fatwa ko mana jae....k....baharhal Aap itni qableat aur ilm nahi rakhte k Aap ki Baat ko Mufti Sahib ki baat pe foqeat di jae...Woh Mufti SaHIB Jo k Aik Maktaba E Fikr ko represent krte hai...!

 

Dosri Sorat hai k Mufti Sahib k fatwa ko side line kr dia jae aur aap ki baat maan li jae! Lakin aisa ho nahi sakta toheedi sahib! :unsure:

 

Jaisa k main ne arz kia k Aap k mufti sahib aap k Brelvi Maktaba e fikr k represent krte hai to Aik Mufti jo Fatwa paish krta hai woh koi mamloi baat to hoti nahi jis ko aap jaise aik aam brelvi ki baat k samne rad kia ja sake....! Zahir si baat hai k loog to fataw ko wazan dain ge! Jaisa k is portal k aur bohat se forum pe bhi aap k Moderators aur Admin Hazraat kisi bhi Doebandi Member ki zaati rae ko nazar andaz krte howe Deobandi AAlimo aur Akabir ki rae ko Hujjat aur Daleel k toar pe paish krte hai....to jnab mai bhi (aur asool o qawaeed ka bhi taqaza hai) aap ki zati rae per bilkul bhi kaan nahi dharo ga..bl ke aap k Mufti sahib k fataw ko hi wazan doon ga k baharahal aap kaha aur Mosoof Mufti sahib kaha...!

 

Mohteram aik baat albata ho sakti hai jis k baad masla ki peechedgi hal ho sakti hai. AAp Muhje Apne Kisi Mash-hoor aur Mustanid Brelvi AAlim Mufti ka Fataw paish krain jis mai Mufti Ghulam k paish krda fatwa ka rad kia gea ho aur us ko ghalat sabit kia hao....!

Waise hona to chahe tha k Mufti Sahib k fatwa k manzr e aam pe aane k baad hi Dawat e Islami wale hazraat aur Aap k Head Moulana is fatawa k rad me apna fatawa paish krte....mgr itna arsa guzar jane k baad bhi un ki taraf se chup bari Maani Khaiz hai.....! :unsure:

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Toheedi sahib! ajeeb hi situation ban chuki hai. Ab mai kis ki baat manu aur kis ki na manu?

Aik taraf to aap k Choti k Mufti Ghulam Sarwar Sahib hai jo k Zahir hai k Baghair Tahqeeq k Fatwa nahi de sakte..! aur dosri taraf aap hai jo k farama rahe hai k Dawat e Islami wale Shuaar k toar pe Sabz Amama nahi pehnte...!

 

Ab 2 hi soratain ho sakti hai. Pehli sorat k Aap ki Baat Rad kr di jae aur Muft Sahib k Fatwa ko mana jae....k....baharhal Aap itni qableat aur ilm nahi rakhte k Aap ki Baat ko Mufti Sahib ki baat pe foqeat di jae...Woh Mufti SaHIB Jo k Aik Maktaba E Fikr ko represent krte hai...!

 

Dosri Sorat hai k Mufti Sahib k fatwa ko side line kr dia jae aur aap ki baat maan li jae! Lakin aisa ho nahi sakta toheedi sahib! :unsure:

 

Jaisa k main ne arz kia k Aap k mufti sahib aap k Brelvi Maktaba e fikr k represent krte hai to Aik Mufti jo Fatwa paish krta hai woh koi mamloi baat to hoti nahi jis ko aap jaise aik aam brelvi ki baat k samne rad kia ja sake....! Zahir si baat hai k loog to fataw ko wazan dain ge! Jaisa k is portal k aur bohat se forum pe bhi aap k Moderators aur Admin Hazraat kisi bhi Doebandi Member ki zaati rae ko nazar andaz krte howe Deobandi AAlimo aur Akabir ki rae ko Hujjat aur Daleel k toar pe paish krte hai....to jnab mai bhi (aur asool o qawaeed ka bhi taqaza hai) aap ki zati rae per bilkul bhi kaan nahi dharo ga..bl ke aap k Mufti sahib k fataw ko hi wazan doon ga k baharahal aap kaha aur Mosoof Mufti sahib kaha...!

 

Mohteram aik baat albata ho sakti hai jis k baad masla ki peechedgi hal ho sakti hai. AAp Muhje Apne Kisi Mash-hoor aur Mustanid Brelvi AAlim Mufti ka Fataw paish krain jis mai Mufti Ghulam k paish krda fatwa ka rad kia gea ho aur us ko ghalat sabit kia hao....!

Waise hona to chahe tha k Mufti Sahib k fatwa k manzr e aam pe aane k baad hi Dawat e Islami wale hazraat aur Aap k Head Moulana is fatawa k rad me apna fatawa paish krte....mgr itna arsa guzar jane k baad bhi un ki taraf se chup bari Maani Khaiz hai.....! :unsure:

 

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shuru mayn deoband key site say diya gaya jawaab he dekh lo .

 

mazeed HUZOOR FAIZ-E-MILLAT , SHEIKH-UL-QURA'AN WAL HADEES MUFTI FAIZ AHMAD OWAISI SAHIB (m-a) key KITAAB ' SABZ IMAMAH SHARIF Ka JAWAAZ ' Perh Lo aur 1 SUNNI AALIM-E-DEEN SAHIB (m-a) UNN ka naam mujhay fillhall yaad nahin aa raha UNN key KITABA ' SABZ IMAMAH Key BARAKATOUN Say kazzab jal uthay ' perh lo . SABZ IMAMAH SHARIF ka JAWAAZ aur ISS key BARAKAAT ma'aloom ho jaayen gi tumhayn .

 

ab tum pehlay deye gaye MUFTI SAHIB ka qoul maano ya FAIZ-E-MILLAT ka yeh fayslah tumharay ooper hay lekin kissi 1 ko bura kehna ho tou iss k leye SHAR'EE Suboot do .

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Jnab Sag e Attar Sahib! Saaf nazar aa raha hai k aap ne meri postings aur apne mufti sarawr sahib ka fatwa ghour se nahi parha warna aap ko itni be-tukki posting krne ki zroorat na paish aati…!

 

 

Janab Masla hamare Ulama ka nahi bl ke aap k Ulama ka hai jo k is masla pe 2 Mutazaad Mouqouf me taqseem ho gae hai….! Aik kehta hai k Sabz amama pehnnna jaiz hai aur dosra group us ko na-jaiz kehta hai…! Aur na-jaiz kehne walo me se Mufti Sarwar sahib to khas toar pe Dawat e Islami aur Moulana Ilyas Qadri k hawala se kehte hai k Who sab Sabz amam Shuaar k toar pe bandhte hai aur Biddat ka irtikaab kr rahe hai….!

 

 

Sag Sahib! Ghor farame! Mai nahi keh raha bl ke aap k ghar ka bhaidi mufti keh raha hai k Sabz amama Shuaar k toar pe bandhna ghalat hai…! Ab app hi batao k kia kia jae…?

 

 

Aap k Toheedi sahib bhi Wazeh Jawab dea baghair Rah e Farar ikhteat kr chuke hai…! Aur toheedi sahib to doghli statement daite hai k Hum mufti sahib ko bhi ghalat nahi keh rahe aur Un ka fatwa bhi tasleem nahi krte…! Achi Wazahat aur Jawab hai bhi…! :lol:

 

 

Aur jaha tak hamare Ulama ka taaluq hai to mohteram mai keh chukka hoo k sabz amama jaiaz hai lakin us ko Dawat e Islami aur Aap k Head Moulana ki tarah Shuaar bna laina Biddat hai…!

 

 

Kia smjhe Sag e Attar sahib!

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Jnab Sag e Attar Sahib! Saaf nazar aa raha hai k aap ne meri postings aur apne mufti sarawr sahib ka fatwa ghour se nahi parha warna aap ko itni be-tukki posting krne ki zroorat na paish aati…!

 

 

Janab Masla hamare Ulama ka nahi bl ke aap k Ulama ka hai jo k is masla pe 2 Mutazaad Mouqouf me taqseem ho gae hai….! Aik kehta hai k Sabz amama pehnnna jaiz hai aur dosra group us ko na-jaiz kehta hai…! Aur na-jaiz kehne walo me se Mufti Sarwar sahib to khas toar pe Dawat e Islami aur Moulana Ilyas Qadri k hawala se kehte hai k Who sab Sabz amam Shuaar k toar pe bandhte hai aur Biddat ka irtikaab kr rahe hai….!

 

 

Sag Sahib! Ghor farame! Mai nahi keh raha bl ke aap k ghar ka bhaidi mufti keh raha hai k Sabz amama Shuaar k toar pe bandhna ghalat hai…! Ab app hi batao k kia kia jae…?

 

 

Aap k Toheedi sahib bhi Wazeh Jawab dea baghair Rah e Farar ikhteat kr chuke hai…! Aur toheedi sahib to doghli statement daite hai k Hum mufti sahib ko bhi ghalat nahi keh rahe aur Un ka fatwa bhi tasleem nahi krte…! Achi Wazahat aur Jawab hai bhi…! :lol:

 

 

Aur jaha tak hamare Ulama ka taaluq hai to mohteram mai keh chukka hoo k sabz amama jaiaz hai lakin us ko Dawat e Islami aur Aap k Head Moulana ki tarah Shuaar bna laina Biddat hai…!

 

 

Kia smjhe Sag e Attar sahib!

MUFTI SAHIB key apni tahqeeq unn k elm k mutabiq hay aur a c soorat mayn kissi 1 ko ta'an nahin kia jaata balkeh jiss ka qoul sahih lagay uss per amal kerna jaay'eez hay kyun k yeh haraam nahin hay .

 

aur behtar hay k FATWA ka asal dikhao yeh safhah asal nahin hay .

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دیگر مفیتان اھلسنت کے فتوے بھی موجود ہیں جنہوں نے اس بات پر تفصیلی بحث کی ہے وہ آپ کو نظر نہیں آئیں گے کیونکہ آپ جیسے مفتریوں کا کام فتنہ اور فساد پھیلانا ہے۔

رہی بات آپ کا دعوت اسلامی کے لوگوں کے بارے میں بات کرنے کی تو دعوت اسلامی سے متعلق بھائیوں سے آج تک نہیں سنا گیا کہ خالی سبزعمامہ پہننا جائزہےاور دیگرنہیں۔اور دعوت اسلامی سے وابستہ بہت سے علماء کو سبز عمامہ کے علاوہ دیگر عمامے پہنے آپ نے نہیں دیکھا توکیؤ ٹی وی میں کافی علماء آتے ہیں آپ نظر دوڑا لیجئے گا۔

انا پرستی اور جاھلیت کا شکار اھلسنت والجماعت نہیں یہ آپ کا طرہء امتیاز ہے آپ کو تو کوا بھی سفید نظر آتا ہے۔

 

 

Bhai baat sirf itni si hay kay Ilyas Qadri ke peer sahab ne najayaz kaha hay green amame ko...kisi aur ne nahi..doosron ki baat choro..sirf Mufti Waqar jo Ilyas Qadri ke peer sahab hein un par fatwa lagaein kay unho nay baghair kisi tahqeeq kay green amama najayaz kion kaha...idhar udhar ki baat na karein....Mufti Waqar ki baat karein sirf..Mureed sahab ko yahi nahi pata kay peer sahab kia aqeeda rakhtay hein ...

 

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:lol:sabz imama aour diyobandi lider (mahnama tabsarah , lahore . shumara nov , des 1981

 

TUM LOG JAHIL KE JAHIL HI RAHO GAY..SAWAL SAMJHAY NAHY AUR SHROO HO GAEY..YE KIS DEOBANDI NE KAHA HAY KAY SABZ AMAMA JAIZ NAHI..AGAR WO KAHAY TO YE SAB DIKHAO NA ..BAAT TUMHARAY MUFTI WAQAR SAHAB KI HO RAHI HAY.TUMHARE ILYAS SAHAB KE PEER SAHAB...UNHO NAY KAHA HAY ISKO NAJAIZ ...IS BAAT KA JAWAB DO..PEER NAJAIZ BOL RAHA HAY AUR MUREED NAY TO PURI JAMAAT KO PEHNA DIYA APNE PEER KE FATWE KE KHILAAF....WAH BHIE WAH KAI BAAT HAY...SUBHAN ALLAH

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