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Bismillah Walhamdulillah Was Salaatu Was Salaam ala Rasullillah

 

 

1.) Aap sab logo say guzarish hay kay ghussay say kam nay lay aur na hi tanz aur tano say

 

2.) Hum nay Wo ibartay apni kitabo say isi liyay nahi nikali kyon kay woh aap logo ki nazar may kufria hongi leikin hamari nazar may woh bilkul kufria nahi.

 

3.Jab Molvi Ahmed Raza Khan nay yay khud iqrar kiya kay Molana Ismail Shah Dehlvi rh. ki ibaraat say acha matlaab nikal sakta hay ya unmay tawil/interpretation ki gunjaish hay to phir baki ibarto kay sath aisa kyon nahi kiya?Sirf Ismail Dehlvi ko hi istasna kyon mila.Kya aap log apnay Ala Hazrat ka Imaan sabit karsaktay ho?

 

Ab in pages ko ghor say paro aur agar koi jawab huwa to day.

 

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Ya sab purani baten jnb kai wahbi debandi ay or gay in k Etrazat k jawb pary hean bs dohndnay party hean yahan   ya urdu forum ha kosheh karen Roman urdu ya inpage instal ker k wo wali image mean li

janab haq3909 Sahib aap say pahly aap ka aik bahi pahly bi Nanotvi ki Ebarat ka difa karny aya tha................   http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/20500-discussion-akabir-ulama-e-deoband-ki-kufr

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مولانا تھانوی کی وضاحت (اسکین صفحہ نمبر 2)

اِس صفحے کی انڈر لائن کی ہوئی ساری عبارات بغور ملاحظہ کرلیں میں صرف اِس صفحے کی آخری انڈرلائن کی ہوئی عبارت کوٹ کررہا ہوں۔

"آپ کے افضل المخلوقات فی جمیع الکمالات العلمیہ والعملیہ کے باب میں یہ ہے"

اِس کو پڑھ کر نانوتوی کی تحزیرالنّاس (ستیاناس) کی ایک عبارت یاد آگئی جس میں کچھ یوں لکھا تھا "عمل میں بعض اوقات اُمّتی انبیاء سے بڑھ جاتے ہیں" اب جناب ناحق صاحب تھانوی صاحب تو عمل میں کسی اور کو بڑھ جانے والا ماننے والے کو خارج از اسلام سمجھتے ہیں اور نانوتوی کو آپ لوگ کیا سمجھتے ہیں اِس کے بعد؟

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مولانا تھانوی کی وضاحت (اسکین صفحہ نمبر 2)

اِس صفحے کی انڈر لائن کی ہوئی ساری عبارات بغور ملاحظہ کرلیں میں صرف اِس صفحے کی آخری انڈرلائن کی ہوئی عبارت کوٹ کررہا ہوں۔

"آپ کے افضل المخلوقات فی جمیع الکمالات العلمیہ والعملیہ کے باب میں یہ ہے"

اِس کو پڑھ کر نانوتوی کی تحزیرالنّاس (ستیاناس) کی ایک عبارت یاد آگئی جس میں کچھ یوں لکھا تھا "عمل میں بعض اوقات اُمّتی انبیاء سے بڑھ جاتے ہیں" اب جناب ناحق صاحب تھانوی صاحب تو عمل میں کسی اور کو بڑھ جانے والا ماننے والے کو خارج از اسلام سمجھتے ہیں اور نانوتوی کو آپ لوگ کیا سمجھتے ہیں اِس کے بعد؟

 

Janab aap kay Ilm may kami hay.Pehlay asli ibarat ko samjhay, phir apnay ghar may jhankay aur un par bhi kufr kay fatway lagayay.Wasallam.

 

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1.) Janab yay bilkul bhi meray post ka jawab nahi.

 

2.) Is kitaab kay author ki yeh ibaraat parhay,

 

 

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Ab zara mujhay in Ahadith ka jawab day:-

 

From Musa ibn Talhah from his father, he said: I passed with the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) by a group at the tops of date-trees, so he said: “What are these [people] doing?” They said: “They are cross-pollinating, making the male [part] in the female [part], so they are fecundated.” The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) said: “I do not think that will have any benefit” (ما أظن يغني ذلك شيئا) They were informed of that, so they left it, and then the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) was informed of this, so he said: “If that is of benefit to them, then let them do it, for indeed, I only thought a thought, so do not take me to task for a thought, but when I narrate to you anything from Allah, adopt it, for verily, I never lie upon Allah (great and glorious is He).” (al-Sahih, by Muslim, Kitab al-Fada’ilBab Wujub Imtithal ma qalahu Shar‘an..., no. 2361)

 

 

The hadith of cross-pollination is what Muslim (Allah have mercy on him) narrated in his Sahih (4:1838), hadith no. 2364, in Kitab al-Fada’ilBab Wujub Imtithal ma qalahu Shar‘an duna ma dhakarahu sallallahu ‘alayhi wasallam min Ma‘ayish al-Dunya ‘ala Sabil al-Ra’y, from Anas and ‘A’ishah (Allah be pleased with them) that:

 

The Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) passed by a group that were cross-pollinating, so he said: “If you did not [do so], it would be better.” Then [the dates on the trees] appeared bad, so he passed by them and he said: “What is [the matter] with your date-tree?!” They said: “You said such-and-such and such-and-such.” He said: “You are more learned of the matter of your world.” (أنتم أعلم بأمر دنياكم)
 

 

and Sayyiduna Anas (Allah be pleased with him) narrated this meaning with his statement: “You are more learned of the matter of your world” and ‘A’ishah (Allah be pleased with her) with her statement: “When it is something from the matter of your world, then your position is [effective] therein, and when it is something from the matter of your religion, it is [delegated] to me.” (Sunan Ibn Majah 2:825, no. 2471) And ‘Ikrimah narrated from Rafi‘ ibn Khadij (Allah be pleased with him) with his statement: “I am but a man. When I command you something from your religion, adopt it, and when I command you something from my opinion, I am only a man.” ‘Ikrimah said: “Or the like of this.”

 

Baki kitaab parhnay ki zarorat hi nahi jab musanif nay hadeeth ka mutalia hi nahi kiya to is tara ki batay na likhtay.Wasallam.

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Janab aap kay Ilm may kami hay.Pehlay asli ibarat ko samjhay, phir apnay ghar may jhankay aur un par bhi kufr kay fatway lagayay.Wasallam.

 

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Ya sab purani baten jnb kai wahbi debandi ay or gay in k Etrazat k jawb pary hean bs dohndnay party hean yahan

 

ya urdu forum ha kosheh karen Roman urdu ya inpage instal ker k wo wali image mean likh k post karen you copy paste na karen .....shukria umeed ha aap ainda urdu mean hi karen gean

 

 

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THANVI KI ZAAT PAR AGR ILM KA HUKM KIYA JANA BAQOL ZAID SAHI HAI IS ILM SE MURAD BAAZ HAI YA QUL AGR BAAZ ILM TO ISME THANVI KI KYA TAKHSIS AISA ILM TAMAM SUWWARO KUTTO JANWARO PAGLO KO HASIL HAI

 

ISME THANVI KI TOHEEN HAI YA NAHI???

agr toheen na b maano to hame kya khud iqrar kroge thanvi ka ilm suwarro jaisa tha: P

 

AG HAI TOHEEN HAI TO THANVI KI IBARAT TOHEEN KYU NAHI????

 

TUM JAHIL AAQA PEACE BE UPON HIM SE ZYADA KAFOR THANVI KO CHAHTE HO....

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Ya sab purani baten jnb kai wahbi debandi ay or gay in k Etrazat k jawb pary hean bs dohndnay party hean yahan

 

ya urdu forum ha kosheh karen Roman urdu ya inpage instal ker k wo wali image mean likh k post karen you copy paste na karen .....shukria umeed ha aap ainda urdu mean hi karen gean

 

 

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Janab,

 

1.Mujhay to yeh nahi samjh arahi kay aap ko Molana Qasim Nanotwi Sahab ki ibaraat pay kya iteraz hay?

 

2.AAP nay baat dil pay hi lay lee aur Mufti Ahmed Yar Khan Naeemi Gujrati ko defend karna shuru hogay.

 

3.Sirf Qasim Nanotwi Sahab pay hi iteraaz kyon? Jo baki hawalay diya hay , un pay iteraaz kyon nahi? Kya yay zati bughz nahi?

 

4.Apkay Mufti Yar khan bhi wohi keh rahay hay jo Qasim Nanotwi sahab.Phir ilzam kyon?

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Janab aap kay Ilm may kami hay.Pehlay asli ibarat ko samjhay, phir apnay ghar may jhankay aur un par bhi kufr kay fatway lagayay.Wasallam.

 

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میرا علم کامل نہیں ہے نہ مجھے ایسی کوئی خوش فہمی ہے۔

اصلی عبارت کا مکمل اسکین پوسٹ کردیں، مہربانی ہوگی۔

مجھے صرف یہ بتا دو کہ تھانوی نے جو کچھ کہا (آپ کی پہلی پوسٹ میں دیئے ہوئے اسکین پیج نمبر 2 میں) اُس کے بعد نانوتوی کی یہ    تحریر کس زُمرے میں آتی ہے؟

میں نے کہیس بھی ایسا کچھ بھی نہیں لکھا کہ جس سے پتہ چلتا ہو کہ میں آپ کے کسی سوال کا جواب دے رہا ہوں، بلکہ جو حقیقت

واضح ہورہی ہے آپ کی پوسٹ سےوہ لکھ دی۔

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THANVI KI ZAAT PAR AGR ILM KA HUKM KIYA JANA BAQOL ZAID SAHI HAI IS ILM SE MURAD BAAZ HAI YA QUL AGR BAAZ ILM TO ISME THANVI KI KYA TAKHSIS AISA ILM TAMAM SUWWARO KUTTO JANWARO PAGLO KO HASIL HAI

 

ISME THANVI KI TOHEEN HAI YA NAHI???

agr toheen na b maano to hame kya khud iqrar kroge thanvi ka ilm suwarro jaisa tha: P

 

AG HAI TOHEEN HAI TO THANVI KI IBARAT TOHEEN KYU NAHI????

 

TUM JAHIL AAQA PEACE BE UPON HIM SE ZYADA KAFOR THANVI KO CHAHTE HO....

 

Janab,

 

May nay pehlay bhi bola hay kay Ilzam laganay say pehlay apnay ghar ki khabar leni chahiyay.

 

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AAP kay Ala Hazrat kay mutabiq to Gadhay ko bhi Ilm Ghyab hay.

 

Wasallam.

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میرا علم کامل نہیں ہے نہ مجھے ایسی کوئی خوش فہمی ہے۔

اصلی عبارت کا مکمل اسکین پوسٹ کردیں، مہربانی ہوگی۔

مجھے صرف یہ بتا دو کہ تھانوی نے جو کچھ کہا (آپ کی پہلی پوسٹ میں دیئے ہوئے اسکین پیج نمبر 2 میں) اُس کے بعد نانوتوی کی یہ    تحریر کس زُمرے میں آتی ہے؟

میں نے کہیس بھی ایسا کچھ بھی نہیں لکھا کہ جس سے پتہ چلتا ہو کہ میں آپ کے کسی سوال کا جواب دے رہا ہوں، بلکہ جو حقیقت

واضح ہورہی ہے آپ کی پوسٹ سےوہ لکھ دی۔

 

 

Janab,

 

1.) AAP nay abhi tak asli ibaraat nahi samjhi.Is may lafz "Bazahir" istimal huwa hay yani "zahri tor par", jaisay kay Hajj ki misal dee gaye hay.

 

2.) Pehlay to aap mujhay yay batayay kay jo upar wali post may may nay 10 hawalay diya hay , woh kis zumray may atay hay?

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haq sahab pehle jawaab mera jawaab do mujhe mere ghar ki khabat hai ALLAH KE SHUKR SE

 

ilm e gaib lafz ko kisi taweel k sath dusre pr itlaq krna aiham e shirk se khali nahi... fatawa rashidiya.... ab thanvi ko is fatawe se kon bachayega???

 

ismayil chamar se zaleel likhta hai tafvitul imaan

 

atayi ilm gaib ka aqeeda rakhna har trah se shirk hai.... ab thanvi mushrik hua ya nahi?

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haq sahab pehle jawaab mera jawaab do mujhe mere ghar ki khabat hai ALLAH KE SHUKR SE

 

ilm e gaib lafz ko kisi taweel k sath dusre pr itlaq krna aiham e shirk se khali nahi... fatawa rashidiya.... ab thanvi ko is fatawe se kon bachayega???

 

ismayil chamar se zaleel likhta hai tafvitul imaan

 

atayi ilm gaib ka aqeeda rakhna har trah se shirk hai.... ab thanvi mushrik hua ya nahi?

 

Janab,

 

AAP ko to abhi tak yahi nahi pata kay yaha Ilm Ghayb say kya muraad hay. Zara Asli ibaraat mulahiza farmayay aur phir is ki akhri lines ko samjhay.

 

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Idhr to na hi atayi Ilm Ghayb ki baat ho rahi hay aur na hi AAP Sallallho Alayhi Wa Sallam kay Ilm Mubarak ki.Yani yaha Ghaib say murad aisay batay hay jo kisi dosri say makhfi ho.Agar aap ko is pay iteraz hay to upaar wali post may apnay Ala Hazrat ki ibartaay parhlay.

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APP KI KI TASHREEH SE SAAF ZAHIR HOGAYA APLOG JANVARO K LIYE ILM E GAIB KA AQEEDA RAKHTE HO

 

tashreeh

 

jo tumeh malum hai mujhe malum nahi gaib hai???

 

matlab ratnagiri jaane ka rasta mujhe maalum hai tumeh nahi to mai gaib ka janne wala hu????

 

jao pehle apne pandito ko gaib ki meaning sikhake aao

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Janab,

 

1.) AAP nay abhi tak asli ibaraat nahi samjhi.Is may lafz "Bazahir" istimal huwa hay yani "zahri tor par", jaisay kay Hajj ki misal dee gaye hay.

 

2.) Pehlay to aap mujhay yay batayay kay jo upar wali post may may nay 10 hawalay diya hay , woh kis zumray may atay hay?

 

1) ASAL book ka scan de do, is me kiya harj hai

 

2) meri post #11 me line no. 4 plz dobara padh lein.

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IDHAR NA ATAYI ILM E GAIB KI BAAT HAI....... TO KYA ZAATI ILM HAI? ????

 

ZAID ZAATI IL E GAIB KA AQEEDA RAKHTA THA???

THANVI KI SHIRK MACHINE ON KYU NAHI HUYI :P

MATLAB JO TASHREEH HUYI O ZAATI ILM PR HAI :P

 

CHANPURI NE TAUZIHUL BAYAAN ME ATAYI ILM KA IQRAR KIYA HAI KON BACHAYEGADHOYI AUR DEHLAVI K FATAWE SE DO CHAMARO KO?

DE AADAMI KO MOT LEKIN WAHABI SI AQL NA DE

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IDHAR NA ATAYI ILM E GAIB KI BAAT HAI....... TO KYA ZAATI ILM HAI? ????

 

ZAID ZAATI IL E GAIB KA AQEEDA RAKHTA THA???

THANVI KI SHIRK MACHINE ON KYU NAHI HUYI :P

MATLAB JO TASHREEH HUYI O ZAATI ILM PR HAI :P

 

CHANPURI NE TAUZIHUL BAYAAN ME ATAYI ILM KA IQRAR KIYA HAI KON BACHAYEGADHOYI AUR DEHLAVI K FATAWE SE DO CHAMARO KO?

DE AADAMI KO MOT LEKIN WAHABI SI AQL NA DE

 

 

APP KI KI TASHREEH SE SAAF ZAHIR HOGAYA APLOG JANVARO K LIYE ILM E GAIB KA AQEEDA RAKHTE HO

 

tashreeh

 

jo tumeh malum hai mujhe malum nahi gaib hai???

 

matlab ratnagiri jaane ka rasta mujhe maalum hai tumeh nahi to mai gaib ka janne wala hu????

 

jao pehle apne pandito ko gaib ki meaning sikhake aao

 

 

lafz AISA ko kala katola kawwa sawaab samjh kr kha gaye kya????

 

maine jo suwaal k jawaab ka mutalba kiya uske jawaab kon dega??

 

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1) ASAL book ka scan de do, is me kiya harj hai

 

2) meri post #11 me line no. 4 plz dobara padh lein.

 

1.ASAL book ki scan aap khud dondh lo.Sunna hay har barelwi kay ghar hamaray Akabireen ki kitaabay hoti hay :-)

 

2.) Woh kisi bhi zumray may nahi atay.Molana Ashraf Ali Thanvi Sahab ki scan wali ibaraat parhay.Us may "Afzal" ka lafz aya hay.Is may kisi ko shak nahi kay Amaal may AAP Sallallaho Alayhi Wa Sallam sab say afzaal hay aur Qasim Nanotwi Sahab nay Fazeelat ki koi baat ki hi nahi.

 

Wasallam.

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PEHLA PAGE LAFZ ITNA.....

 

TO ISME CHAMAAR SE ZYADA ZALEEL THANVI KI KYA TAKHSIS HAI ITNA AUR IS QADAR ILM GAIB TO HAR SUWWAR KUTTR USKE PILLE KO HASIL HAI...

 

AB TO SEEDHI BARABARI HOGAYI MATLAB THANVI KO UTNA HI ILM THA JITNAA SUWARRO KO KYU :P

 

ISME THANVI KI GUSTAKHI HAI YA NAHI?

 

HAI TO US KH20 IBARAT KO TOHEEN MAANLO THANVI KO MURTAD KAFIR

 

HUSAIN MADANI LIKHTA HAI SHAHAB E SAQIB ME

 

MOLANA IBARAT ME LAFZ AISA FARMA RAHE HAI ITNA TO NAHI FARMA RAHE AGR LAFZ ITNA HOTA TO ALBATTA YE AHTIMAAL HOTA HUZOOR PECE BE UPON HIM K ILM KO AUR CHIZO K BARABAR KRDIYA

 

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ab kon bataye is tandavi ko iske sathiyo ne itna k sath is qadar b likha hai....kya ye do guna maani barabar k ahtimal ko mutayyan nahi kr raha?

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janab haq3909 Sahib aap say pahly aap ka aik bahi pahly bi Nanotvi ki Ebarat ka difa karny aya tha................

 

http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/20500-discussion-akabir-ulama-e-deoband-ki-kufria-ibaraat/

 

http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/2655-tehzeer-un-naas-ke-difa-ka-taaqub/

 

 

in 2 threads mean bahs mojod ha usy parhen phr baat krean Shukria..........sab sawalo k jawab hean ...................Warning fazul mean bahas na kren ya dono thread parhen phr reply karenv warna post delete ker di jay gi

 

Saeedi bahi or Toheedi bahi farig ho zaror reply karen gean idhar halna k wo pahly kai martba is qism k bahs deobandeo ko bahga Chuky hean

 

Or Thanvi per bahs wala thread mila ni per pahly zara is post ko tow dahken wo thread bi day du ga

 

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