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ailk swaal likh raha hoon. ho sakta hay sahee jagah post na hua h

 

aik sms receive wasool hu aa hay eid par.  is ka jawab mukhtasar mil ja to shukar guzaar hoon ga.

 

hazrat Aisha   raziallah anha  farmati hain k agar ko e tumhain ya kahay    k NABI AKRAM (saw)  ghaib jantay thay to wo shakhas jhoota  hay.  kion k Allah (azw) khud farmaata hay k ghaib ka ilam Allah k siwa aur ko e naheen janta.

 

sahee bukhari jild 2, page 1098, hadees number 7380 kitabu taheed

 

ya sms aik deobandi nay bhaija hay

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Janab e mann guzarish hat k jo Ayat Mubarka paish ke gai hy us main Ilm e Ghaib zati ke nafi byan hui hay.Aur hamara aqeeda Ilm e Ghaib ataai ka hay jo Quran Pak k nuzool k sath sath barhta gya aur Quran Pak k nuzool ke takmeel k sath he mukammal hua.

 

Dosra yeh k  Syeda Umm Ul Momineen Radi Allahu Unha ka yeh farman Nuzool e Quran ke takmeel say qabal ka hay ya baad ka??Shiq awwal hamaray khilaf nahi aur baadiat ka saboot daina ho ga...

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Salam alayqum,

Shahzad baee, kafi arsa pehlay ek English meh article likha thah is Hadith par. Pehlay toh mil hee nahin raha thah abh mila heh toh us ko thora modernize ker raha hoon. In sha Allah kal taq paste kar doon ga. Thora intizar karen in sha Allah is mozoo par tafseelan jawab mil jahay ga.

Doh gantoon ki muddat meh joh kuch kar sakka woh neechay heh.

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Statement Of Hadhrat Ayesha - “... Anyone tells ... Muhammad knows the Unseen he is Liar, ...” Explained In Light Of Quran And Hadith.
 

Introduction:

Muslims believe that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) was granted the information about matter of unseen and possessed the [granted] ability to see the unseen. Apart from misconstruing the meaning of various verses of Quran and using ‘if’ type arguments the opponents of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat also quote Ahadith of Hadhrat Ayesha (radiallah ta’ala anha) to refute the Islamic creed of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) possessing knowledge of unseen and having the ability to see unseen.

Statements Of Hadhrat Ayesha (radiallah ta’ala anha):

She has been reported to have said: “Narrated Masruq: 'Aisha said, "If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen his Lord, he is a Liar, for Allah says: 'No vision can grasp Him.' (6.103) And if anyone tells you that Muhammad knows the Unseen, he is a Liar, for Allah says: "None has the knowledge of the Unseen but Allah." [Ref: Bukhari, B93, H477] In another Hadith it is stated by her: “... She (Hadhrat Ayesha radiallah ta'ala anha) said: He who presumes that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) concealed anything, from the Book, of Allah fabricates the greatest lie against Allah. Allah says: "O Messenger! deliver that which has been revealed to thee from thy Lord, and if thou do (it) not, thou hast not delivered His message" (5:67) She said: He who presumes that he would inform about what was going to happen tomorrow fabricates the greatest lie against Allah. And Allah says: "Say thou (Muhammad): None in the heavens and the earth know the unseen save Allah." (27: 65) [Ref: Muslim, B1, H337] Their argument is one who believes Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) possesses knowledge of unseen he at lowest level a liar and a denier/rejecter of Quran [hence a Kafir] and a Mushrik for making Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) equal with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) in knowing matters of unseen.[1]

1.0 - Literal Meaning Of Hadith: “And if anyone tells you that Muhammad knows the Unseen, he is a Liar, ...”

Hadhrat Ayesha’s (radiallah ta’ala anha) literal statement: And if anyone tells you that Muhammad knows the Unseen, he is a Liar, ...” is refuted by Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala): “Knower of unseen (i.e. Allah) informs none of His unseen to anyone. Except to a Messenger whom He has chosen, and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.” [Ref: 72:26/27] and by the following verse: “Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Messenger. (For) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His apostles: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure.” [Ref: 3:179] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) has affirmed the knowledge of Unseen for Prophet Muhammed (sallallahu alayhi was’sallam) by stating; Allah grants knowledge of Unseen to a chosen Messenger. For one who is granted access to knowledge and one has acquired knowledge then it is fundamental one knows to what he is granted access to. In this case the type of knowledge is of unseen and one given access to and one knowing knowledge of unseen is Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) states about Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) that: “Neither does he withhold knowledge of the unseen.” [Ref: 81:24] By saying Prophet Muhammed (sallallahu alayhi was’sallam) is not bidaneen(in) (i.e. stingy, greedy) over the knowledge of unseen Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) implied that he (sallallahu alayhi was’sallam) gives/shares the knowledge of unseen freely.[2] Does this prove he knows the unseen or was he unaware of the unseen?

1.1 - Literal Meaning Of Hadith: “He who presumes that he would inform about what was going to happen tomorrow fabricates the greatest lie against Allah.”

Hadhrat Ayesha (radiallah ta’ala anha) has been reported to have said: He who presumes that he would inform about what was going to happen tomorrow fabricates the greatest lie against Allah.” The literalism of this statement is so evidently against the teaching of Islam; it doesn’t require much convincing, instead just a slight nudge in the right direction. Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is reported to have said: “Syria will be conquered and some people will go out of Medina along with their families driving their camels … Then Yemen will be conquered and some people will go out of Medina along with their families driving their camels … Then Iraq will be conquered and some people will go out of it along with their families driving their camels, …” For all these people he said, if they remained in Madinah it would be better for them: “… and Medina is better for them if they were to know it.” [Ref: Muslim, B7, H3200] In another Hadith Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) told about the false/impostor Christ who will visit outskirts of Madinah and residents of Madinah will go out to meet him: “Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, "Ad-Dajjal will come and encamp at a place close to Medina and then Madinah will shake thrice whereupon every disbeliever and hypocrite will go out (of Medina) towards him." [Ref: Bukhari, B88, H239] Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) gave detailed description of this impostor who will claim to be Christ for whom the Jews are awaiting and part this comprehensive description is that he will be blind in the right eye and his eye will look like a protruding grape: “Ad-Dajjal was mentioned in the presence of the Prophet. The Prophet said, "Allah is not hidden from you; He is not one-eyed," and pointed with his hand towards his eye, adding, "While Masih ad’Dajjal (i.e. the impostor Christ) is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a protruding grape." [Ref: Bukhari, B93, H504] This proves that Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alayhi was’sallam) does know what will happen in future. Due to him having knowledge of future events he informed the companions of conquering of Syria, Yemen, Iraq and emigration of people of Madinah to these conquered territories. He also informed us about coming of impostor Christ and described him so believers recognize him and protect themselves from his tribulation. This proves that Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alayhi was’sallam) does know what will happen in future. Due to him having knowledge of future events he informed the companions of conquering of Syria, Yemen, Iraq and emigration of people of Madinah to these conquered territories. He also informed us about coming of impostor Christ and described him so believers recognize him and protect themselves from his tribulation. Now the all important question, did Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) inform the believers about the events of future? Anyone knowing prophesies of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) about the future events regarding the coming of judgment day will know the answer is affirmative.

1.3 – Conclusion On Literal Understanding Of Statements:

The literal meanings of the Ahadith quoted are clearly against the vast evidence of Quran and Hadith. Someone with rudimentary knowledge of Quran/Ahadith will know that these statements in their literal meanings are in conflict with hundreds of Ahadith, and numerous verses of Quran. Therefore a female companion, a scholar in her own right and wife of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) Hadhrat Ayesha (radiallah ta’ala anha) can not be guilty of such blunder in creed. The source of such erroneous and heretical creed is not Hadhrat Ayesha (radiallah ta’ala anha) but those who interpret her statements.

 

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Yeh doe k banday nahin maaneinge, yeh Sirf or Sirf apne akaabir ka ilm-e-ghaib maante hein.

In logo se pehle ilm-e-ghaib ki taareef lo phir inhi k akaabir ki kutub se inhi k akaabir k baarey me poocho k falaani kitaab me Rasheed Gangoi ya Nanotvi ya Imdad-ul-llah Mahajir Makki waghera k baarey me aisa likkha hai jis se pata chalta hai k tum log bhi ilm-e-ghaib k qa'el ho to phir dekho kaisi taaweelaat pesh kertay hein, airrhi choti ka zor laga deinge keh wo jo kuch likkha hai sahih hai magar Allah azzowajal k piyare Habib Sall-Allah-o-Alaih-e-Wasallam k baarey me aisa kuch bhi maan'ne ko tayyar hi nahi honge or us ki mukhalifat me airrhi choti ka zor laga deinge keh wo jo kuch likkha hai sub ghalat hai. yeh hai DOGHLA mayaar in logo ka. yahan sub members is baat ko acchi tarah jaan chuke hein.

 

Jazak-Allah

 

Note: na jane kya problem hai, me Urdu me type ker raha hun to font or size select nahi ho raha. kya problem ho sakta hai.  ( I m using Windows 7, Internet Explorer 11 )

 

اب فائر فوکس براؤزر استعمال کیا ہے تو ٹھیک ہے۔

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دیو کے بندے کی عقل تو دیکھو کہ علم نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کے بارے سیدہ ام المومنین رضی اللہ عنہا کتنی فراح کا مظاہرہ کر رہی ہیں کہ حضور صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کی آنے والی بات کی تائید فرماتے ہوئے سیدنا عثمان کو نصیحت فرما رہی ہیں۔لیکن دیو کا بندہ غیوب خمسہ کی عطا کا قائل نہیں لیکن سیدہ رضی اللہ عنہا آنے والے وقت کی بات کا انکار نہیں کر رہیں۔بلکہ تائید فرما رہی ہیں۔اس لئے سعیدی یا ان کی جماعت سیدہ کے قول کا نشانہ نہیں


 


سعیدی صاحب کی ساری باتیں پڑھیں اور اس دیو کا اپنا مبلغ علم یہ ہے کہ ٹھہرنے کا ٹہرنے لکھ رہا اور زبان دراز


اتنا کہ علم نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم پر طعن۔۔۔۔


 


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main swaal kuch kar raha hoon, aap sub jawab kuch aur day rahay hain.  mujhey  in a few sentense  jawab chaheey ay tha.  jo main mobile phone par in shape of sms day sakta.  khairt, kissi kay pass mukhstar jawab naheen to ko e muzaiqa naheen, thanks to all.   deo k banday, deo k ganday, ya jawab to main nay maanga he naheen.

 

aap sub ka shukria

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main swaal kuch kar raha hoon, aap sub jawab kuch aur day rahay hain.  mujhey  in a few sentense  jawab chaheey ay tha.  jo main mobile phone par in shape of sms day sakta.  khairt, kissi kay pass mukhstar jawab naheen to ko e muzaiqa naheen, thanks to all.   deo k banday, deo k ganday, ya jawab to main nay maanga he naheen.

 

aap sub ka shukria

 

main swaal kuch kar raha hoon, aap sub jawab kuch aur day rahay hain.  mujhey  in a few sentense  jawab chaheey ay tha.  jo main mobile phone par in shape of sms day sakta.  khairt, kissi kay pass mukhstar jawab naheen to ko e muzaiqa naheen, thanks to all.   deo k banday, deo k ganday, ya jawab to main nay maanga he naheen.

 

aap sub ka shukria

 

Aaap ko jawab yeh heh kay is thread ka link sms behijnay walay ko behij denh. Umeed heh aap is ko samaj gahay bee hoon gay aur sms meh fit be kar lenh gay. Meh nay aap kay wastay bot nawafil baray kay shahid meh ek doh din meh Allah ka Wali e Kamil aur Sahib e Karamaat ho jahoon toh thread ko ek sms meh karamat kar kay fit kar doon ga, magar kamyabi nahin huwi.

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aaj apni masjid k imaam sahib say yahee baat poochi to unhoon nay kaafi achaay tariqa say samjha dia hay .he is master in islamiaat,arabic and fazil e darse nizami.  ya thread un logoon kay liee ay kaar amad hay jo wasee mutaalia rakhtay hain .  aik aam aadmi jab is tarah ka swaal karay to us ko saada zabaan main aur mukhtasar jawab dain to us ko appeal karta hay.  jis jis bhaee nay bhee jawab dia, un ke kosish ka shukria again and again.

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aaj apni masjid k imaam sahib say yahee baat poochi to unhoon nay kaafi achaay tariqa say samjha dia hay .he is master in islamiaat,arabic and fazil e darse nizami.  ya thread un logoon kay liee ay kaar amad hay jo wasee mutaalia rakhtay hain .  aik aam aadmi jab is tarah ka swaal karay to us ko saada zabaan main aur mukhtasar jawab dain to us ko appeal karta hay.  jis jis bhaee nay bhee jawab dia, un ke kosish ka shukria again and again.

Salam alayqum,

 

Shahzad baee, abh jab aap nay darya ko koozay meh band karwa leeya heh toh hammeh be bata denh shahid future meh hammeh be band karna paray. lol. Matlab heh kay maulana nay kia jawab deeya thah.

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imam sahib advised me to refer tafseer  zia ul quraan, at the end,there is a list showing different topics including elam e ghaib,with page number of tafseer, that page contains detailed hadees and quraani ayyat regarding  elim a ghaib, after reading i will  make a extract of it. hope will sort out .

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Muhammad Ali bhaee,salam.  I have briefied the sms sender,deobandeeoon/wahabioon ko quraan ka reference thain to wo ziada satisfy hotay hain.  i have briefed as under:

 

lafaz Nabi ka aik matlab ya bhee hay, ghaib kee khabrain dainay wala.

 

pl refer surah jin ayat 26.

 

sura al imran ayat 179

 

sura al nissa ayat  113

 

sura  al takweer  paara 30, ayat 24.

 

check tafheemul quraan  by moulana moudoodi, surah NAMAL, Allah taala alimul ghaib hay.jis ko cahaay juzwi ilam day,ziada ya thora. 

 

Allah (azw) ka ilam zaati,Rasool (saw) ka attaee,Allah  (azw) ka ilam la mehdood,Rasool (saw) ka mehdood.

 

pl refer hadees,Hazrat Abdullah ibne hazafa sehmi nay araz kia, YA RASOOL LALLAH (saw) maira baap koun hay, to AAP (saw) nay farmaya,  HAZAFA.

this has been sent to sender of sms

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ڈئیر حنیف قریشی


جو کچھ میں نے اوپر پوسٹ کیا اُس کی تصدیق کے لیئے چند " ثبوت " دے رہا ہوں ( کہ  یہ صرف اور صرف اپنے اکابر کا علمِ غیب مانتے ہیں )، اگر ایماندار ہو تھوڑے بہت بھی تو ایمانداری سے کام لیتے ہوئے پورا پڑھ کر اِن کے بارے میں بھی باقاعدہ الگ سے بتاؤ، دو ٹوک بات کرنا۔


 


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 ام المومنین (raa) کے کلام کانشانہ جناب نے سعیدی اور اس کی جماعت کو بتلا کر

ام المومنین (raa)  کے لئے کل (مستقبل)کےعلم کادعوی کردیاہے۔

اور خود ہی ام المومنین (raa) کے فتوے کی زد میں آگئے ہیں۔

من حدثک انہ (saw) یعلم مافی غد فقدکذب ۔

اگر رسول اللہ (saw) کے لئے کل کاعلم رکھنے کادعویٰ جھوٹا ہے

توصدیقہ (raa)  کے لئے آنے والے دورکی جماعت کے جاننے کادعویٰ اس

کی زد میں کیوں نہیں آتا؟

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dear ghulam ahmad  sb, aap nay reference day kar kamal kar dia.  maira to dil karta hay  

 

keh doon,     GO QURESHI GO

 

Ghulam-e-Ahmed   not   Ghulam Ahmed

 

isi tarah dossray naam bhi bolay, likkhay ya paddhay daeyn, jaisay " Ghulam-e-Mustafa, Ghulam-e-Rasool waghera "

hamaray aik islami bhai ne mujhay jab se yeh baat bataey hai koshish kerta hun keh is per amal karun.

ALLAH azzo-wa-jal hamari khata'on ko apne piyaron k sadqe muaf farmaey - Ameen

Jazak-Allah

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بحث میں حصہ لیں

آپ ابھی پوسٹ کرکے بعد میں رجسٹر ہوسکتے ہیں۔ اگر آپ پہلے سے رجسٹرڈ ہیں تو سائن اِن کریں اور اپنے اکاؤنٹ سے پوسٹ کریں۔
نوٹ: آپ کی پوسٹ ناظم کی اجازت کے بعد نظر آئے گی۔

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