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Janab Ya Allah Madad Sb.araz hay keh in sab Ahdees Sharif ko sahi asnaad k saath pehlay bhee post kia ja chuka hay.Aap woh daikh saktay hain pichli posts main.

 

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Aesa nahi hota hay ..koi new reader hadees ke tukre parhe ga to gumrah hoga..kionke pata bhi chalna chahiye ke kis baat par unho ne aesa kaha kay mein tum jaysa nahi hoon..agar mein kisi wrestler se kushti laroonga to wo mujhe pathkh dega..to mein usko yahi kahoonga ke mein tujh jaysa hota to tera muqabla kartaa...iska ye matlab nahi hay ke wo koi aur jins se hay aur mein kisi aur jins say...hein dono insaaan farq sirf itna hay kay wo bohot taqatwar hay aur mein uske muqable mein bohot kamzor hoon..is liye mein us jaysa nahi hoon...lekin hein dono insaaan..

 

 

Rasool Allah  (saw) jaysay taqat sahaba mein nahi thi ke wo som e wisal rakhte ..isi liye unho ne farmaya tum mere jaysay nahi ho..tum mein wo taqat nahi hay jo mujh mein hay..uska bhi ye matlab nahi ke Rasool Allah  (saw) kisi aur jins se hein aur sahaba kisi aur jins se..Allah  (azw) aap logon ko shaoor de..

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Attari sahab kisi bhi hadees ka aik tukra laga kar apna moqaf na bataya karin balkay puri complete hadees ka scan lagaya karein takay readers ko samjhne mein aasani ho..kisi ayat ka aik tukra lagakar koi sharabi bhi keh sakta hay ke sharab halal hay

 

 

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لاَ تَقْرَبُوا الصَّلاَةَ وَأَنْتُمْ سُكَارَى

 

 

aap kuch safhat peechey dekhein main nein yeh hadees likhi hai.

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YA ALLAH MADAD SAhab is ka kia matlab hai yeh wohi likha howa main nein yeh pages or ahadees is liye pesh ki thi k Saaajid khan jo baar baar aik hi rat lagaye baitha tha k Huzoor Sallalaho Alaih e wasalam hum jaise bashar hain wagaira wagaira is se baaz ajaye.baqi agr aap ko is masley par baat karni hai to hum dalail dey chukey hain Huzoor Sallalaho Alaih e wasalam k noor honey par aap k paas agr in sabh ka jawab hai to dein main intazar karonga.

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(salam) Rizwan Sahab abh aap saajid khan ki posts yeha mat lagao,woh is liye k main nein kal hi saajid khan ka reply dekh liya tha or waha hamare complete jawab nahi gay they abh saajid khan ko debate karni hai to yeha aye,khud poori pooori books compose kar raha hai or jabh hum nein sirf aik hadees pesh ki or us par ulma k aqwal to un deogandiyo nein usey yeh keh kar edit kar diya k books chapne ki ijazat nahi hai ,sharam aani chahiye deobandiyo ,or abh plz aap yeha us ki post mat lagayein .main is post ka jawab bhi doon ga lekin abhi plz mazeed yeha posts mat lagayein.shukriyah

 

 

(wasalam) asal masla ye hai kay ap ukay forum ko deekh result bana rahe hain....bhai bhoool jaooo unka forum bhi hai...sirif yahan ki debate dekheen kay yahan kia hoo raha hai....wahan koi editing karee ya na kareee...asal debate yahan hoo rahi hai....yahan agar me koi paste laga raha hoon to apka faraz hai ap oska jawab dain or ap ne koi post lagai hai to os ka jawab bhi yahi per aaega ...wahan nahi.....isleye bhool jaeen kay unka forum bhi hai....plz

 

plz bhai agar ap debate continued rakhna chahtay hain to plz wojo sajid wahabi k reply mene post keye hain unka jawab likh dain....takay debate cont. ho sakay.....or decision bhi iska yahi hooga ....warna ye confusion hameesha hi raheegi.....

mene to 1 cheez dekhi hai...koi kisi kay dalail ka jawab nahi deta balkay 1 new post kar deta hai or wo daleel waheen ki waheeen reh jati hai...to kia faida ???

bhai plz point to point debate jari rakheen to meher bani hoogi ..jawab anayat kardain...shukiriyaaa

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YA ALLAH MADAD SAhab is ka kia matlab hai yeh wohi likha howa main nein yeh pages or ahadees is liye pesh ki thi k Saaajid khan jo baar baar aik hi rat lagaye baitha tha k Huzoor Sallalaho Alaih e wasalam hum jaise bashar hain wagaira wagaira is se baaz ajaye.baqi agr aap ko is masley par baat karni hai to hum dalail dey chukey hain Huzoor Sallalaho Alaih e wasalam k noor honey par aap k paas agr in sabh ka jawab hai to dein main intazar karonga.

 

Red line mein jo hadees ka tukra mein ne code kia hay uska matlab bayan kar dein phir debate shroo karoonga..HAYYITIKUM ka kia matlab hay..

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(wasalam) asal masla ye hai kay ap ukay forum ko deekh result bana rahe hain....bhai bhoool jaooo unka forum bhi hai...sirif yahan ki debate dekheen kay yahan kia hoo raha hai....wahan koi editing karee ya na kareee...asal debate yahan hoo rahi hai....yahan agar me koi paste laga raha hoon to apka faraz hai ap oska jawab dain or ap ne koi post lagai hai to os ka jawab bhi yahi per aaega ...wahan nahi.....isleye bhool jaeen kay unka forum bhi hai....plz

 

plz bhai agar ap debate continued rakhna chahtay hain to plz wojo sajid wahabi k reply mene post keye hain unka jawab likh dain....takay debate cont. ho sakay.....or decision bhi iska yahi hooga ....warna ye confusion hameesha hi raheegi.....

mene to 1 cheez dekhi hai...koi kisi kay dalail ka jawab nahi deta balkay 1 new post kar deta hai or wo daleel waheen ki waheeen reh jati hai...to kia faida ???

bhai plz point to point debate jari rakheen to meher bani hoogi ..jawab anayat kardain...shukiriyaaa

 

Janab main nein us k jawab mein jo posts ki thi woh waha complete nahi lagi hain or na hi mujhe un k jawab miley hain.

 

or jo aap nein kaha k koi kisi ki daleel ka jawab nahi deta to mujhe aap k is reply ki samjh nahi ayi k aap kia keh rahe ho ??aap debate parh bhi rahe ho ya nahi???

 

kia main nein post number 172 mein saajid khan ki baaton ka jawab nahi diya.

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?s=&...ost&p=52963

 

 

kia main nien post number 174 mein sajid khan ki kisi baat ka jawab nahi diya???

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?s=&...ost&p=52965

 

 

kia post number 175 mein chisti bhai nein saajid khan ki kisi baat ka jawab nahi diya???

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?s=&...ost&p=52969

 

 

kia main nein post number 177 mein saajid khan ki kisi baat ka jawab nahi diya???/

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?s=&...ost&p=52974

 

 

kia main nein post number 178 mein saajid khan ki kisi baat ka jawab nahi diya ????

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?s=&...ost&p=52979

 

 

 

kia main nein post number 179 mein saajid khan ki kisi baat ka jawab nahi dia ???

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?s=&...ost&p=52981

 

kia main nein post number 181 mein saaajid khan ki kisi baat ka jawab nahi diya ???

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?s=&...ost&p=52989

 

kia main nein post number 188 mein saajid khan ki kisi baat ka jawab nahi diya ???

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?s=&...ost&p=53006

 

kia chisti bhai nein bhi saajid ki kisi baat ka jawab nahi diya ????

 

 

 

kamal hai bhai itne jawab diye lekin aap nein sirf aik line mein keh diya k hum nein us ki kisi daleel ka jawab nahi diya.bhai jaan pehle aap to sahi tarha debate ko parho .

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bhai ap Naraz kioon hoo rahe hain? me over all ki baat karr raha hoon shuru se le kar kisi bhi debate main esa hi hota hai akser.........

 

khair bhai muje dono taraf se 1 baat sunnay ko mili hai kay hamaray jawabat abhi tak nahi deye gaye....to bhai 1 mashwara hai....ap ko jin dalail kay jawabat nahi milay wo ap urdu me article bana kar Question number kay sath yahan post kareen....or yahi mutaliba me unsay bhi karooga. takay baat wazeh hoo sakay kay kis kay dalail kay jawabat abhi tak nahi deye ja sakay or wo dalail kon kon se hain.....

 

umeed hai ap bura nahi manaeegay

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Salam

 

Main tu Admin se ye Arz karon ga . k kisi b bande ko kisi forum ka ya kisi ka "CHAMCHA" na banane dia jaye ... jis ne yahan debate kerni hai APNAY asal nik se aye aor post kare ... Deobandiyoon ko ye apni burqa pehnane ki adet khatam ker deni chahyeye ab ....

Deo gandi aor shia dono Takayya master hein .

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bhai ap Naraz kioon hoo rahe hain? me over all ki baat karr raha hoon shuru se le kar kisi bhi debate main esa hi hota hai akser.........

 

khair bhai muje dono taraf se 1 baat sunnay ko mili hai kay hamaray jawabat abhi tak nahi deye gaye....to bhai 1 mashwara hai....ap ko jin dalail kay jawabat nahi milay wo ap urdu me article bana kar Question number kay sath yahan post kareen....or yahi mutaliba me unsay bhi karooga. takay baat wazeh hoo sakay kay kis kay dalail kay jawabat abhi tak nahi deye ja sakay or wo dalail kon kon se hain.....

 

umeed hai ap bura nahi manaeegay

 

 

bhai jaan aap mujhe yeh bataye k main nein jawab diye hain ya nahi ??(main saare nahi poch raha)

 

Or janab main nein yeh kabh kaha k abh main saarey jawab dey chuka ???

agr main yeh kehta to deobandiyo ko haq tha k woh mujh par aitraz karte k is nein hamari is baat ka jawab nahi diya e.t.c jabh main nein aysa kaha hi nahi to aitraz kiun?????

 

jabh main nein kaha hai k main ahista ahista sabh jawab doon ga to matlab saarey doon ga.is liye aap ko baqi aitraz ka jawab bhi diya jaye ga.lekin abh aap yeha saajid khan ki post mat lagaye ga agr aap ko kuch pochna hai to khud pochiye jis tarha pochne ka haq hota hai kiun k debate karne mein or pochne mein bhara faraq hota hai .

 

or aik or baat main nein hadees noor or bashriyet par tehkeek waey scan pages lagaye jin ko deobandiyo nein apne forum se khatm kar diya yeh keh kar k hum kitab ka jawab nahi dein gay to mere bhai saajid khan nein is thread mein bhi to books chapi hai chahey compose kar k hi lekin hum nein to delete nahi ki tp phir waha aysa kiun kiya ja raha hai ??????

 

is liye abh agr yeha saajid khan ki koi new post ayi to us ka jawab nahi diya jaye ga .

 

Admin bhai se guzarish hai k abh agr koi post batil forum se aye to usey delete kar diya jaye.shukriya

 

 

 

baqi saajid khan ki baton ka shafi jawab diya jaye ga INSHALLAH AZAWAJAl

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Janab Ya Allah Madad Sb.aap nain Haytukum k meanings daryaft farmay tu janab is ka matlab hay keh Shakl ya Soorat.Yanai keh main zahari shakal o soorat main tum jaisa hon.

 

Janab Rizwan Sb.Hum nain kon sa aisa reply kia hay jis main hum nain mtalba kia hay keh Sajid ya jo koi b hay us nain humari posts ka jawab nahi dia????

Aap bar bar yeh he kah rahay hain keh to the point chalain tu janab shayad aap nain humary last replies nahi pareen keh hum nain bajay is k keh koi new reply post karnay hum nain un he baton ka jawab dia jis ka us nain zikar kia tha.Aur agar usay munazray ka itna he shoq hay tu yahan kyon nahi aata woh???

 

Janab e Aali us nain kaha keh Jins Noor sabat karo jis k jawab main hum nain Hadees e Noor paish ke jo keh us nain wahan lagai he nahi.Abhi tu us par jarah ho ge janab phir Insha Allah daikhain keh is k saath hota kya hay jaisa keh is nain kaha tha keh Imam Tayymia usay nahi manta.

 

Yeh Hadees e Noor Musanaf Abdul Razzaq Remat Ullah e Alaih ke book Aljuz Ul Mafqood main hay.In gustakhon ko daikhon keh is Hadees e Noor jo keh Chapter Eman main Hadees No.18 thee ghaliban,(Jo keh in k aqeeday keh against hay)is ko chupanay k lia Bab Ul Eman ko he is book say nikal dia........Daikhain in zalimon ke had.Abhi jab is par behas ho ge tu Insha Allah is ka jawab talab kia jay ga in sab say.

 

Abhi Insha Allah in ko in k ghar say dikhaya jay ga keh kya in k Akabar Huzoor (saw) ko hissi Noor mantay hain ya nahin.

 

Qadri Attari Bhai aap jari rakhain apnay jawabat....

 

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Hazrat نعیم الدین مرادآبادی Alaih Rehma k Tafseer par aitraz kajawab.

yeh aitraz Deobandiyo k Buhat bharey molvi Sarfraz ghakarvi neinkiya tha jis ka jawab ALama Ghulam Rasool Saeedi Alaih Rehma nein diyatha.abh yehi aitraz saaajid khan nein kiya hai.or jawab hazir hai.abhi INSHALLAH AZAWAJAL Mazeeed Aitrazat k jawabat diye jaye gay.INSHALLAH AZAWAJAL

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Asslamoalikum

bhai baat sajid khan, chishti qadri yar salar Raza etc ki nahi hai or baat islami mehfil ya deobandoon kay forum ki nahi hai..

baat hai dalail ki baat hai information ki muje dalail kay jawabat dalail se chahiye thay mujhee sirif ye maloom karna tha kay konsa maslak sahi hai......mene ye nahi dekha kay kon sajid khan hai ya koon Salar Raza hai...muje to information chahiye thi.....likin ap loog pata nahi koi baat ko larai ki taraf le janay ki koshish kartay hoo takay jawab na dena paray....

khair bhaioon mujhe apne sawalaat kay jawabaat bohot had tak mil chukay hain mene Noor Mujassam wali thread per bhi dekh lia wahan bhi ap logo ne larai ka bahana bana kar thread closed kardi...or yahan bhi ap jawab dene kay leye tayyar nahi......

bhai deen-e-islam me haq baat kabhi bhi istaran nahi phelti balkay sukarti hai

zindagi rahi to phir mulaqaat hogi

wassalam

Rizwan Qadri

 

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Janab Ya Allah Madad Sb.aap nain Haytukum k meanings daryaft farmay tu janab is ka matlab hay keh Shakl ya Soorat.Yanai keh main zahari shakal o soorat main tum jaisa hon.

 

Janab Rizwan Sb.Hum nain kon sa aisa reply kia hay jis main hum nain mtalba kia hay keh Sajid ya jo koi b hay us nain humari posts ka jawab nahi dia????

Aap bar bar yeh he kah rahay hain keh to the point chalain tu janab shayad aap nain humary last replies nahi pareen keh hum nain bajay is k keh koi new reply post karnay hum nain un he baton ka jawab dia jis ka us nain zikar kia tha.Aur agar usay munazray ka itna he shoq hay tu yahan kyon nahi aata woh???

 

Janab e Aali us nain kaha keh Jins Noor sabat karo jis k jawab main hum nain Hadees e Noor paish ke jo keh us nain wahan lagai he nahi.Abhi tu us par jarah ho ge janab phir Insha Allah daikhain keh is k saath hota kya hay jaisa keh is nain kaha tha keh Imam Tayymia usay nahi manta.

 

Yeh Hadees e Noor Musanaf Abdul Razzaq Remat Ullah e Alaih ke book Aljuz Ul Mafqood main hay.In gustakhon ko daikhon keh is Hadees e Noor jo keh Chapter Eman main Hadees No.18 thee ghaliban,(Jo keh in k aqeeday keh against hay)is ko chupanay k lia Bab Ul Eman ko he is book say nikal dia........Daikhain in zalimon ke had.Abhi jab is par behas ho ge tu Insha Allah is ka jawab talab kia jay ga in sab say.

 

Abhi Insha Allah in ko in k ghar say dikhaya jay ga keh kya in k Akabar Huzoor saw.gif ko hissi Noor mantay hain ya nahin.

 

Qadri Attari Bhai aap jari rakhain apnay jawabat....

 

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CQ sahab meaning batane ka shukriya ..hadees ke alfaz kuch yunh hein (Inni Lasta  k Haytukum) lasta ka matlab nahi hota hay ..Yani mein shakal o surat mein tum jaysa nahi hoon.Aur aap keh rahay hein ke tum jaysa hoon.. Is hisaab se to apke Ahmed Raza ka turjuma to ghalat ho giya..

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Asslamoalikum

bhai baat sajid khan, chishti qadri yar salar Raza etc ki nahi hai or baat islami mehfil ya deobandoon kay forum ki nahi hai..

baat hai dalail ki baat hai information ki muje dalail kay jawabat dalail se chahiye thay mujhee sirif ye maloom karna tha kay konsa maslak sahi hai......mene ye nahi dekha kay kon sajid khan hai ya koon Salar Raza hai...muje to information chahiye thi.....likin ap loog pata nahi koi baat ko larai ki taraf le janay ki koshish kartay hoo takay jawab na dena paray....

 

walaikum Asalam !!!

 

bhai abh aap hi batao k main itne mehnat se jawabat dey raha hoon chisti bhai jawab dey rahe hain or dosare bhai jawab dey rahey hain lekin jabh aap yeh kaho k koi bhi aik jawab nahi dey raha to bhai gusa to aye ga hi na.

 

kher aap bey fickr rahey main saajid khan ki baaton k jawabat deta raho ga bhai aap mano ya na mano yeh sach hai k main buhat ziada masroof rehta hoon study par ziada zor hai us se hi farog nahi howa jaata.

 

bhai aap un baaton ko bhi note karein jin k saajid khan nein jawab diye hi jaise hadees jabir e.t.c

 

main insha ALLAH AZAWAJAL apna agla reply jald likho ga or sabh members ko bataon ga k saajid khan sach mein jahil hai.saajid khan ko abhi tak hamare aqeeday ka pata hi nahi chala.

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saajid khan ka aitraz

Brailvi Hazrat kitabein chap rahe hain.

 

Jawab:

 

saajid khan sahab yehi baat aap taqreeban 1.5 saal se kar rahe ho or is ka jawab main aap ko dosare forums par bhi dey chuka hoon.kher abh phir deney ki koshish kar rahah hoon.

 

janab saajid sb pehle aap is baat ko samjhey k kitab compose kar k chapna ya scan kar k chapna dono aik hi hain is mein koi faraq nahi hai.

 

kitabein chapne wala kaam to aap nein kiya hai aap nein apni pehli post mein hi koi kitab compose kar k laga di or phir is kitab ka jawab manga.

 

pehle to mujhe aap yeh bataye k aap ko sharam nahi ayi???

 

Munazir to aap buhat bharey bantey ho lekin munazarey k usool ka aap ko pata hi nahi hai.

 

munazarey mein pehle aqeedah likha jaata hai phir apne dalail diye jaatein hain.(yeha dalail se murad aap ki tarha kitabein compose kar k chapna nahi hai.:lol:)

 

acha is baat ka hasil yeh nikla k aap nein yeh kaam sabh se pehle kiya hai is liye aap yeh aitraz hum par nahi kar sakte.

 

or rahi baat hamari jo aap nein aitraz kiya hai k hum poori poori kitabein chap rahe hain to janab arz hai k aik hota hai k poori kitab lagana or aik hota hai k kitab mein se us point ka jawab dena jis par aitraz kiya gya ho.

 

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aap nein مولانا نعیم الدین مراد آبادی Alaih Rehma ki tafseer par aitraz kiya.abh is ka jawab mere paas moujod hai.abh main aap k aitraz ka jawab 2 tareeko se dey sakta hoon.

1.ya to jo jawab mere paas hai usey compose kar k laga do.

2. ya jis kitab mein aitraz ka jawab hai us jawab ko scan kar k laga do.

 

pehla tareeka mushkil nahi hai lekin us par time lagta hai or mere paas time nahi hai or waise bhi meri urdu composing ki speed itni achi nahi hai.or waise bhi jabh jawab likha howa moujod hai to compose kiun kiya jaye???

 

or dosara tareeka bhi bura nahi hai kiun k jawab scan kar k diya jaye ya compose kar k baat aik hi hai.kiun k agr main compose karta to bhi wohi likhta jo kitab mein hai.

 

abh main nein aap k is aitraz ka jawab tareeka number 2 se diya hai abh aap mujhe batao k is mein kia bura hai ????

agr main compose karta to kiun acha hota????

 

or janab aap nein tuheedi bhai par aitraz kiya k unho nein shoro mein hi kitab chap di to janab arz hai k unho nein to aik article lagaya tha jis mein hamara aqeedah likha tha or aik ayet thi noor par or aik hadees thi or huzoor Sallallaho Alaih e wasalam k saya na honey k dalail they or in dalail ki tashreeh mein buzurgaaney deen k aqwal they or kuch aitrazat k jawabat.

 

abh dekha jaye to tuheedi bhai nein ziada dalail nahi diye aik ayet or is ki tafaseer or hadees aik hadees or is ki tashreeh or Huzoor (saw) k saya na honey par buzurgon k aqwal or kuch aitrazat k jawabat jo aap nein kiye bhi they.

 

lekin dosari taraf jabh aap ki post dekhi jaye to aap nein apna aqeedah likha phir muqadma likha or phir dalail di jin mein 33 ayat thi phir un k saath un ki tashreeh bhi thi.

 

matlab aap nein kitab compose kar k chap di abh aap khud hi muwazna kar lein k kis nein kia kiya???

aap ko tuheedi bhai ki aik ayet or hadees pesh karne par aitraz hai to apne aap ko bhi dekho jo 33 ayat pesh kar k humey kehte ho k kitabein na chapo.

 

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saajid khan nein jo 33 ayat pesh ki hain un mein aik bhi daleel hamare khilaf nahi hai kiun k un nein Huzoor (saw) ki noraaniyet ki nafi nahi hai.

 

Umeed hai k is aitraz ka jawab bhi main nein dey diya hai agr zarorat parhi to mazeed wazahat kardo ga waise aqalmando k liye yeh chota sa jawab hi kaafi hai.

 

 

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Abhi is thread mein Saajid deobandi k saath baat ho rahi hai.jabh tak main us ki saari baaton ki wazahat na kardo tabh tak main kisi bhi member k aitraz ka jawab nahi doon ga.kiun k is tarha thread read karne walo ko debate ki samjh nahi aye gi.

 

umeed hai k abh koi new aitraz nahi hoga.

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Saajid Khan ki Ibarat:

 

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Saajid khan sahab ki in baaton se yeh zahir hota hai k Hum (Sunni) Huzoor (saw) ki jins e bashriyet k inkari hain isi liye yeh aitrazat is nein hum par kiye hain.

 

lekin members ko herani ho gi k 250 k kareeb replies honey waley hain itni lambhi debate ho gai lekin saajid khan ko abhi tak hamare aqeeday ki samjh hi nahi ayi,jabh hum is ko kehte hain k hamara aqeedah parh to gusey mein aa jata hai kher saajid khan nein yeh saari baatin bagair hawala k likhi hain is liye saajid khan se is baat par hawala chahiye k hamare kisi mustanad Alim nein huzoor (saw) ki jinse bashriyet ka inkar .

baqi baat hawala milney k baad hogi.

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