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JANAB SALAR RAZA bhai,HA ALLAH, bohat khoob jawab dia app nay ya Allah madad ko, hum to Allah ka sukar ada kartay hain kah hum uss rah par hain jo kay shaksiyat say mohabat ka dars datee hai,

lakin agar inn deobandiyo ko dekha jay to shaksiyat kay sath lago in ko bhe hai, bas thora sa farq hai inn main aur hum main, wo farq yea hai kah hum tay jin shaksiyat say mohabbat aur eqeedat raktay hain aur jin ki qadar kartay hain wo hain,, Hazoor-e-purnoor (saw) , Sahaba-e-karam (ra) , Tab Tabeeen (ra) Oliya izam (ra) aur unn say jo Allah aur uss kay Nabi say mohabbat rakhaty hain,

lakin yea log mohanbbat aur eqeedat rakhtay hain jo gustakhay Rasool ho , gustakhay shahba ho, gustakhay Aale Rasool ho, aur gustkahay Oliya ho,,

aur hameen tanay datay hain kah tum shaksiyat parasti kartay ho,, halan kah

 

Quran majeed main Allah (azw) ka irshad hai PARA ,3 SURAH . AL-IMRAN , VERSE .32

قُلۡ اَطِيۡعُوۡا اللّٰهَ وَالرَّسُوۡلَ‌‌ۚ

Say: Obey Allah and the messenger

 

abb in say koi yea pochay kah kia ,, Rasool (saw) shaksiyat hain ya nahee, lakin yea loog bugz aur anad main itnay agay nikal chukay hain kah inay Allah (azw) ki ayat ka bhee ko bharam nahee hai,

Aur abb Rasool (saw) ka irshad mulahiza farmayee,

Bukhari sahreef ki revayat hai, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 11:

 

Narrated Jubair bin Mutim:
A woman came to the Prophet who ordered her to return to him again. She said, "What if I came and did not find you?" as if she wanted to say, "If I found you dead?" The Prophet said, "If you should not find me, go to Abu Bakr."

 

agar main
(saw)
na mill sakoon to abu bakar kay pass chaly jayo,

abb in say pher sawal hai kah kia, Abu bakar
(ra)
shaksiyat hain ya nahee,

Aur aik jaga aur irshad farmaaya,

bukhari shareef ki hee revayat hai,
Volume 5, Book 57, Number 37:

 

 

Narrated Anas:
A man asked the Prophet about the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment) saying, "When will the Hour be?" The Prophet said, "What have you prepared for it?" The man said, "Nothing, except that I love Allah and His Apostle." The Prophet said, "You will be with those whom you love." We had never been so glad as we were on hearing that saying of the Prophet (i.e., "You will be with those whom you love.") Therefore, I love the Prophet, Abu Bakr and 'Umar, and I hope that I will be with them because of my love for them though my deeds are not similar to theirs.

 

tum unn loogoon kay sath ho gay jin ka sath tum mohabat kartay ho,

abb hum tay mohabbat kartay hain, Rasool
(saw)
say Rasool
(saw)
ki aal olad sya, Sahaba karam
(ra)
say , Oliya Izam
(ra)
say, aur insha Allah apna khatama bhee inhee ki sath ho ga, INSHA ALLAH,

AUR Deobandi kin kay sath mohabbat aur aqeedat rakhtay hain,

Rasheed gangohi, qasim nanotvi, ashraf thanvi, ismaeel dahlvi, etc,, aur agar yea list lambi karta jayoon to feroon aur abu jehal bhee issee list main aytay hain,,

bhar hall yea to inn ko jawab tha,

abb Allah say dua hai kah Allah in ko samjhnay ki toufeeq ata farmay, aur in ko rah-e-hidayat naseeb farmay, Aameen

 

 

 

 

 

AAP KE KHIYAL SE JIN LOGON NE HAZRAT ESSA  (as) AUR HAZRAT MARYAM  (as) KO ALLAH KE SIWA MABOOD BANAYA WO LOG IN DONO SE MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT NAHI RAKHTAY THAY..AAP LOGONKI MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT WO HAY JO HAZRAT ESSA AUR MARYAM SE THI ..ALLAH AESI MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT SE HIFAZAT FARMAEY

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AAP KE KHIYAL SE JIN LOGON NE HAZRAT ESSA (as) AUR HAZRAT MARYAM (as) KO ALLAH KE SIWA MABOOD BANAYA WO LOG IN DONO SE MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT NAHI RAKHTAY THAY..AAP LOGONKI MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT WO HAY JO HAZRAT ESSA AUR MARYAM SE THI ..ALLAH AESI MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT SE HIFAZAT FARMAEY

 

 

kaise muhabbat or aqeedat se ALLAH AZAWAJAL bachaye????

 

Jo Quran o Sunnat se sabit hai us se ????

 

Janab hum Aik Allah Azawajal par iman rakhte hain or kisi ko mabood nahi mante .aap ko HuZOOR SAllalaho ALaih e wasalam se bugz hai isi liye aap har woh hadees jis mein AQa Sallalaho Alaih e wasalam ki bharai bayan hoti hai zaeef nazar aati hai or us par jarha karni shoro kar dete ho .is ka saboot isi forum par moujod hai.

 

Allah Azawajal se duaa hai k woh sabh ko haq samjhne ki tofeek ata farmaye.Ameen

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(saw)

 

janab mameenkhn shab,

app maray bar bar israr par bhee maray kisi sawal ka jawab nahee day rahy balkah har dafa aik naye post kar rahy hain ,

aur main app ki har post ka jawab to day raha hoon, lakin pher bhee app mara koi mutaliba pura na kartay hoyee detahi ko bharpoor muzahira kar rahy hain :angry: ,, lakin bhar hall kabhi to shram aa hee jay gee app ko ,, :)

abb chaltay hain app ki post ki janib , jis main kafi bokhalat ka shikar bhee hoyee hain app, aur kafi lajawab bhee, aur pher app ki asee setti gum hoyee kah app ko apnee hee ki gayee past yad na rahee, :lol:

abb zara mulahiza farmay apnee pechlee post ka aqs

 

Meray pehlay sawal ka jawab iis post main mil gaya k Alahazrat ne Allama Zarqani k hawalay se ye naqal kya hai.

Merey duusray sawal ka jawab inayat farma dain.

 

iss main to app farma rahay hain kah app ko app kay sawal ka jawab mill gaiya hai,

kah yea Ala Hazrat (ra) ki ibarat nahee, blakah isee, naqal kia hai Ala Hazrat (ra) nay

lakin pher jab app ko apnay molvi ki gustakhana ibarat ka koi jawab na ban para to app nay apnee gandi zehnaiyat ka dubara istamal kai aur pher say usee baat ka roona roona shuru kar dia,, kitnee munafqat hai app kay zehan main, :angry:

Apnee post mulahiza farma lijay, aur khud he insaf farma lijay , kah app loogon ko hum deogandi kion kahtay hain,, ,, kion kah app iss kah haqdar hain,,post-3494-1247117617.jpg

 

 

abb iss ko kia kaha jay, app khud irshad farma dijay ga,

 

 

Abb app ki aglee post ki janib,

yahan par app nay hamaray Oliya karam (ra) ki tasvoof par mabni iqwal ko jis tarah Rasool (saw) kay sath gustakhana ibarat ko jora hai,

iss say app ki Hazoor (saw) say anand aur bugz ka bakhoobi andaza lagya ja sakta hai,,

Hala kah , unn bazurganay deen ka maqseed hee duniya aur maklooq say duri sirf Allah (azw) aur Rasool (saw) ki atayat hai,

aur jis qool mian dars hai kah maklooq aur duniya main rah kar insan kaheen duniya ki rangeniyoon main aur iss ki asaiyshhoo main hee na bhatak jay,

Lakin app nay kis tarah say bay adbi ka muzahira karay hoye, sath main quoeting kartay hoyee, Hazoor (saw) ka naam bhee likha ,

aur yahan par aik aur baat kay agar Hazoor (saw) kay ilm gaib ki baat ki jay to app ko takleef hotee hai, aur pher app dalial mangtay ho,

lakin yahan par app in oliya karam ki iqwal main unn ki zehniyat kay baray main barmala izhar kar rahy ho , app kay pass koon sa ilm gaib hai yea bhee irshad farma dijay,

 

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Aur Allah k nahi balke Ahle Ma'arfat k nazdeek Maqlooq ( Huzoor bhi Shamil hai aap k ala hazrat ki zehniyat k mutabiq)

 

 

aur na too app in books kay asal scan paish kar saky hain,,

lakin pher bhee app ko agar aitraz hai to sabit kareen lakin asal scan kay sath aur bazahir sabott kay sath,, aisay iqwal par app apna ser marnay kay ilawa kuch nahee kar saktay,

jab kah hum nay jo scan page paish kay hain unn main saf saboot mojood hain,,

aun par to app jawab denay say bhee kaser hain,,

App ka movli to saf lekhta

 

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abb iss main app nay maan hai kah chamar ka lafz istamal kia gai hai, aur saf nazar bhee aa raha hai, abb main nay to app ko sabit kar diay hai,shabbhai ka matlab, aur app say bhee dubra sawal hai kah zara iss ki wazahat farma dijay, kah kai yea gustkahi nahee hai,

app ka molvi iss say pahlay apnee isee book main Nabi ko bara bhai kahta hai aur pher agay aa kar kahta hai kah makhlooq baree ho ya choote sab Allah (azw) kay agay chamar say bhee zaleel hai,

 

aur iss say pehlay bhee aik post ki thee jis main nay hifzul iman ka scan page post kia tha lakin uss baray main bhee app say koi jawab mosool nahee hoya, jab kah app nay star main kud farmaya kah main issee page kay bara main baat karoon ga,

saboot app ki post hai

Main filhal Hifzul imaan ki ibarat pe comment karoonga P 7, 1934, jo ilm e ghaib k hawalay se hai , 

ye wo ibarat nahi hai jo aap ne post ki hai. Is se pata chalta hai k duusri ibarat ko paish kernay main bhi aap logon nai khiyanat ki hogi

 

 

jab kah maree ki gai post yea thee

 

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lakin pher app apnee post ko bhool bhal kar asay bhagay kay ja kar tasvoof kay mozoon ka pakra,,

lakin janab-e-wala, hum to app ki post ka jawab day rahy hain, lakin app ka bhee kuch farz banta hai, kah chaleen hamari post ka jawab deen na deen kam az kam apnay qool ka pass hee rakh laeen,

ya pher yahan bhee wohee munafqana ravayee, :lol:

 

 

 

abb app par aik aur sawal , kah app to apnee post main lektay hain kah app Hazoor (saw) ki hiyat kay qiyal hain,

saboot app ki post hai,

 

Mera ye Aqeeda hai k Nabi Apnay rozay main hayat hai. aur unki hayat dunya ki hayat se Aa'la hai.

 

lakin app jis movli ko protect karnay main masroof-e-amal hain woo molvi to apnee usee kitab main kuch as tarah kahta hain

saboot with scan page post,

 

 

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abb iss baat ki wazahat bhee app ki taraf udhar hai, zara iss munafaqana roosh ki bhee wazhat farma dijay, kah itnee ziyada munafqat kion, kia munfqat kay ilawa bhee koi cheez hai app kay deemag main, ya ,,,,,,,,,,, :lol:

chaleeen ajj kay liya itna hee kafi hai ,, umeed karta hoon hameesaha kee tarah maray sawaloon ka jawab pee nahee jayeen gay , balkah inayat farmayeen gay,, Allah (azw) app ko hidyat naseeb karay,

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AAP KE KHIYAL SE JIN LOGON NE HAZRAT ESSA (as) AUR HAZRAT MARYAM (as) KO ALLAH KE SIWA MABOOD BANAYA WO LOG IN DONO SE MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT NAHI RAKHTAY THAY..AAP LOGONKI MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT WO HAY JO HAZRAT ESSA AUR MARYAM SE THI ..ALLAH AESI MUHABBAT AUR AQEEDAT SE HIFAZAT FARMAEY

 

 

(bis)

(saw)

 

(salam) , to All my sunni brothers and sisters,

 

janab ya Allah madad shab, app ka baytarteeb jawab dekh kar app ki dabhawasi ka andaza ho raha hai,

bahhar hal app ko batata chaloo kay beshak hum Hazrat Essa RuhUllah (as) , aur Unn ki walida majida Hazrat Bibi Maryam (as) say mohabbat Rakhtay hain,

lakin hum INN Hastiyoon ko Mabood nay mantay , woo sirf Allah (azw) ki zaat hai,

aur jinn lagoon ki app nay baat ki, to mohtram inn pakeeza hastiyoon say mohabbat aur aqeedat kay sath sath imen par khatma bhee zaroori hai, warna sirf inn histiyoonn say mohabbat app ko nahee bacha saktee,

aur yea bhee batata chaloon kay jinn loogoon ko in hastiyoon say mohabbat aur aqeedat nahee unn kay pass iman ki dolat bhee nahe,,

abb mohtaram app say sawal yea hai kah kia app ko in say koi mohabbat aur aqeedat naheee,

 

1, agar app ka jawab "nahee" main hai ,

 

to main pehlay hee kah chuka hoon kay pher app kay pass iman nahee,

 

2, agar app ka jawab "haan" main hai,

 

to janab hum par aitraz kion? aur sath sath apnay iss munafiqana ravayee ki wazahat bhee kah ham mohabbat kareen to shirk, aur agar app kareen to toheed,

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(bis)

(saw)

 

(salam)

, to all sunni brothers

 

janab mameenkhn shab,

app ko pehlay bhee inform kia tha kah app nay jis topic par baat kar rahy hain woo ilm e gaib nahee hai, balkah app kay ulama ki gustakhana ibartay hain,

jin kay baray main app ka aik to kehna yea hai kay jo ibaratain hum nay paish ki hain woo sahe nahee,balkah ibarat kush aur hai, aur hum nay galat beyani say kam lia hai,,

aur doosra app ka kehna yea tha kah jo gustakhana ibarat likee gayee hain unn ko achay mafhoom main bhe lia ja sakta hai,

lakin jab app ko saboot faraham kiy gay to app lajawab ho gay, aur abhee tak app kisi bhee kisam ka jawab denay say kasir hain,

aur har dafa kisee nay mozoo par apnay ulama ki kitab post kar kay chalay jatay hain,

app nay Aa'la Hazrat (ra) ki jis ibarat ko post kia tha mian nay to jawab dia, lakin jab baree app kay ulaama ki aye to app nay rah-e-farar dondhnee shuru kar di,

to janab-e-wala app kay liya arz hai kah agar app ilm e gaib par guftugu farmana chahtay hain to iss kay liya already topic majood hain forum main wahan tashreef lay ayeen , agar yea bhee pasand na ho to app new topic start kar saktay hian, Insha Allah wahan app ki , app kay dosray bhayooon ki tarah bharpoor tashfi ki jay gi,,

lakin chunkah iss topic ka mozoo gustakhana ibarat hai, iss liye app ko sirf isee par behas karna ho gee,

woo bhee saboot kay sath,

yea app ko last warning bhee hai, kionkah app ko pehlay bhee arz ki ja chukee hai, iss liya abb agar app ki post to the point na hoyee to app ki post ka koi jawab nahee dia jay ga,

aur main admin say bhee request karoon ga , kah mozoo say hatt kar jo post ho woo delete kar dee jay,

iss liye asay kuch honay say pehlay app maray sawloon kay jawab lay ayeen, aur unee par baat kareen, warna pher app jasay loog baad main auchaltay ho, kah woo jee hamari post he delete kar dee gayee hai, hum kasay jawab dain, ?, halan kah sawal chawal aur jawab chana hota hai,

main sawal dubara post kar raha hooon agar inn par app apnay dalaial say guftugu farma saktay hain to basad shooq app ki post ko qabool kia jay ga,

warna bay maqsaad post anay par yahee samja jay ga , kah app ka pass abb koi jawab nahee aur pher topic ko close kar dia jay ga,

aur haan, aik aur option app kay pass mojood hai, , woo yea kah agar app iss mozo par mazeed behas nahee kar saktay to kisi aur ko davat dijay wooo aa kar app ki janib say behas karay ,humain koi aitraz nahee, faisla app par hai,

 

maray sawalat yea hain,

 

1, app nay apnee post main hum par aitraz kia tha kah hum nay jo Hifzul iman ki ibarat ,jo kah ilm e gaib say mutaliq hai, post ki thee woo sahe nahe,yanee hum nay galat beyanee say kaam liay hai, aur ibarat galat post ki hai,

 

a). to jawaban app say arz ki gayee the kah jo asal ibarat hai woo app post kar dijay, with scan page,

 

, app ka yea bhee farmana tha kay ulama deoband ki in ibarat ko achay mafhoom man bhee liya ja sakta hai, to jawaban app say arz ki gaye thee kay wo acha mafhoom app biyan kar dijay,

2, app ka yea bhee kahna tha kay app Nabi (saw) ki hiyat ko tasleem kartay hian, kah Woo (saw) apnee qabar-e-mubarik main zinda hain, to jawaban app say arz ki gayee thee kah app ko molvee to apnee kitab main likta hai kay Nabi (saw) mar kay matti main mil gay,(astagfirullah)

a) sawal ka jawab anayat farmanay kay sath sath yea bhee arz farma dijay ga kah app main say koon asal deobandi hai , app ya app ka molvi,

3, app kay movli nay apnee kitab main jo lafz chamar istamal kia hai,khsusan Ambiya (as) kay liya to aya kia yea Ambiya (as) ki shan mian gustakhi nahee, iss ka bhee jawab app par udhar hai,

 

 

bass abhee app say enee teen sawaloon kay jawaab darkar hain, baqi bhee kafi ibarat hain, lakin pehlay app inn teen sawaloon kay jawab lay ayeeen , baqaida dalaial kay sath,mozoo jawab anay par kuchi ho gee,

warna yea too main app ko pehlay hee bata chuka hoon kah mozoo say hat kar agar koi bhee post hoyee to woo delete karwa di jay gee, iss liya kahil rakhay ga,

umeed karta hoon kay kam as kam iss dafa app apnee hatdhrami say baz rahyeen gay,

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(bis)

(saw)

 

(salam)

janab mameenkhn shab,

app ko pehlay bhee inform kia tha kah app nay jis topic par baat kar rahy hain woo ilm e gaib nahee hai, balkah app kay ulama ki gustakhana ibartay hain,

jin kay baray main app ka aik to kehna yea hai kay jo ibaratain hum nay paish ki hain woo sahe nahee,balkah ibarat kush aur hai, aur hum nay galat beyani say kam lia hai,,

aur doosra app ka kehna yea tha kah jo gustakhana ibarat likee gayee hain unn ko achay mafhoom main bhe lia ja sakta hai,

lakin jab app ko saboot faraham kiy gay to app lajawab ho gay, aur abhee tak app kisi bhee kisam ka jawab denay say kasir hain,

aur har dafa kisee nay mozoo par apnay ulama ki kitab post kar kay chalay jatay hain,

app nay Aa'la Hazrat (ra) ki jis ibarat ko post kia tha mian nay to jawab dia, lakin jab baree app kay ulaama ki aye to app nay rah-e-farar dondhnee shuru kar di,

to janab-e-wala app kay liya arz hai kah agar app ilm e gaib par guftugu farmana chahtay hain to iss kay liya already topic majood hain forum main wahan tashreef lay ayeen , agar yea bhee pasand na ho to app new topic start kar saktay hian, Insha Allah wahan app ki , app kay dosray bhayooon ki tarah bharpoor tashfi ki jay gi,,

lakin chunkah iss topic ka mozoo gustakhana ibarat hai, iss liye app ko sirf isee par behas karna ho gee,

Mere khayal main main ney koi post out of the context nahi ki hai. Aap ne ye ilzaam lagaya k Ismail Dehelvi Taqwiyat ul Imaan me Ambiya ki toheen ki , Main ne Ussi Taqwiyatul imaan se aap ko Huzoor (saw) aur Ambiya ki shaan main beyan kerda ibaratain dikha di. Mera sawal aap se ye tha Akabir e Deoband ki ibaratoon ka sahi matlab kyon nahi nikala gaya. Is per aap ne topic ko change ker k aik nai post kerdi jis main Akabir Deoband ki ibaraton ki list daal di. our mere sawal ka jawab nahi diya.

Mere meethay meethay forum k topic aap per lain Aala Hazrat ki Ibarat

Our aap behas Akabireen e Deoband ki ibarat per ker rahay hain.

Ager aap Topic per baat kerna chahtay Hain to teek hai Main aap ko Ala Hazrat Ki gustakhana ibaratain bhi pesh kersakta hun jo inhuun ne Allah ki Huzoor (saw) ki or diiger Ambiya our Auwliya ki shaan main pesh ki hain.

Aur han Mujhay bhi pata hai k Ilm e ghaib per baat nahi ho rahi.

maray sawalat yea hain,

 

1, app nay apnee post main hum par aitraz kia tha kah hum nay jo Hifzul iman ki ibarat ,jo kah ilm e gaib say mutaliq hai, post ki thee woo sahe nahe,yanee hum nay galat beyanee say kaam liay hai, aur ibarat galat post ki hai,

 

Iis forum pe mojood sab loog per saktay hain k jo post aap ne (saq e raza) ne ki jis main list hai. Hifzul Imaan ki wo ibarat our Chishti Qadri ki post main jo ibarat hai uus main zameen aasmaan ka farq hai. Saq -e- Raza ki post main Itnaa our Jaisa k alfaaz hain jab k Chisti Qadri ki post main na Itna hai our na Jaisa Hai. Suboot k leye aap logo ki post hi kafi hai

 

a). to jawaban app say arz ki gayee the kah jo asal ibarat hai woo app post kar dijay, with scan page,

Asal Ibarat Chisti Qadri nai post ki hai, aur mere pichli post main wo ibarat tarmeem shuda bhi mojuud hai.

 

, app ka yea bhee farmana tha kay ulama deoband ki in ibarat ko achay mafhoom man bhee liya ja sakta hai, to jawaban app say arz ki gaye thee kay wo acha mafhoom app biyan kar dijay,

 

Aaap agar mere phichli post per letay to ye ahmakhana sawal na kertay. Pichli post main main ne Hifzul imaan ki ibarat ka asal mafhoom bataya hai. Hazrat Thanvi iis baat ka jawab nahi de rahay k Huzoor (saw) ka ilm kitna our kitni miqdaar ka hai. balkay iis baat ka jawab de rahai hai k Aalim ul Gaib kehna chahiye ya nahi. Aur Ibarat ko samajhne k liye uus ka pase manzar main ne phichli post main pesh kia.

Aur Ussi Hifzul Imaan se main ne Hazrat Thanvi wo ibarat bhi pesh ki jo uun ka aqeeda hai . Nabuwwat k lye jo uloom lazim o zaroori thai wo aap ko batamamhi hasil ho gai tha.

Ankhain khol k perhain. Aur Akhal k Nakhun lijiye Jis Admi per aap ye ilzam laga rahay hai k uus ne Huzoor (saw) k iilm ko janwaroon jitna kaha hai. wohi admi ussi kitaab main Huzoor (saw) k ilm k baray main likh raha hai k aap ko nabuwwat k sare Uloom hasil ho gai thai.

kuda k khof karo.

2, app ka yea bhee kahna tha kay app Nabi (saw) ki hiyat ko tasleem kartay hian, kah Woo (saw) apnee qabar-e-mubarik main zinda hain, to jawaban app say arz ki gayee thee kahapp ko molvee to apnee kitab main likta hai kay Nabi (saw) mar kay matti main mil gay,(astagfirullah)

Beshak Nabi (saw) apnay rozai mubrak main hayat hai.

Ismail rehmatullah ki ibarat k jawab k liye intezaar kijiye

 

a) sawal ka jawab anayat farmanay kay sath sath yea bhee arz farma dijay ga kah app main say koon asal deobandi hai , app ya app ka molvi,

 

Ye aap ne aik naya sawal garh liya. Waisay aik baat main aap ko batata chaloon, K Shaikh Ismail Rehmatullah Deoband k madarsa se nahi perhay, balkay shayad iis madarsay k banne se pehlay hi wo balakot main shaheed ho gai thai.

 

 

3, app kay movli nay apnee kitab main jo lafz chamar istamal kia hai,khsusan Ambiya (as) kay liya to aya kia yea Ambiya (as) ki shan mian gustakhi nahee, iss ka bhee jawab app par udhar hai,

Uuus Ibarat main aap agar Ambiya ka lafz dikha den to bari meharbani hogi.

Main ne Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra) ki ibaratain pesh ki, Jis main Ahle Zamin, our Makhlooq aaya hai. our Nizam uddin Auwliya (ra) ki ibarat bhi. In ibaratoon ka kiya matlab hai. Jo Matlab Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani ki ibarat ka aap bataain wohi Shah Ismaeel Shaheed ki ibarat ka samaj lain. Theek hai jab tak main asal scan na pesh kerdoon us waqat tak aap Abdul Qadir jilani (ra) per koi fatwa nahi lagaiye ga . Lekin uus k baad aap ko iis masalay main haar manni hogi.

 

Lekin is sawal k jawab zooror dena

Kya Ye Auwliya Allah Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra) aur Nizam uddin Auwliya (ra) ki Ibaratain nahin hai???

Main aap se iis sawal k jawab ka intezaar karoonga.

Edited by mameenkhn

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very very very nice post bro

best of luck n keep it up

 

 

 

 

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HMKO TO ALA HAZRAT RadiAllahoanho SE PIYAAR HE

INSHA ALLAH APNA BERA PAAR HE...AMIN

 

 

 

 

 

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talibe dua o maghfirat

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I read alot alot about shah Ismail wording here, but surprise why

Ahamed Raza did not call Shah Ismail Kafir, why any barelvi ha answer of this.

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Lolz....Mr.ImHanfi if u have a little knowlege about your Ulma then u would not be able to ask this question.It was became famous that Ismaeel Dehalvi did tauba about his aqayd so that Fazal e Brelvi did not put Fatwa upon him.

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Fatwa upon Mawlana Qasim Nnotvee from Darul Uloom Deoband

 

Long back , when the fight between Deobandis and Jamat e Islami ( Mawdoodi group) was on rise, a few of the members of the Jamat e Islami group took a passage from the book" TASFIYATUL AQAID" of Mawlana Qasim Nanotvee and sent it to Darul Uloom Deoband, asking them if this constitutes Kufr.

 

They did not inform that it has been taken from their own" akabir's" book. So the scholars of Darul uloom deoband did not know that this passage is from Mawlana Qasim Nanotvee's book.

 

The Muftis of Darul Uloom took no time for investigation and issued the fatwa of Kufr .

 

Kindly see the Blue underlined part of the fatwa . It says:

 

"The person having this type of aqida is kafir. Unless he does tajdeed e iman and tajdeed e nikah , no relationship should be kept with him".

 

Later, when Jamat e Islami revealed that this was taken from Mawlana Qasim Nanotvee's book" TASFIYATUL AQAID, Darul uloom deoband was in shock!

By mistake they had issued fatwa of Kufr against their founder !

 

Later Mawlana Aamir Uthmani al Deobandi wrote a book " jamat e islami aur deoband ki ikhtekef ke haqiqat" in which he reproduced this fatwa with excuses like" the muftis were tired and busy, so they could not concentrate etc..

 

 

 

These deobandi scholars who issued the fatwa of kufr , never gave any "other interpetation" so as not to make takfir upon the concerned person. They immediately issued the fatwa of kufr , only to know it was on mawalan qasim nanotvee!

 

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(salam) , to all sunni brothers,

 mameenkhn sahb ko jawab, 

 

sab say pehlay to mameenkhn sahb mazrat kay site main tabdeele ki waja say aur kuch zati masrufiat ki waja say dair hoyee . lakin bhar hall silsila kalam waheen say shuru kartay hain jahan say munqita hoya tha, 

 

1.   app nay apnee last post main maray pehlay sawal ka jawab datay hoyee kaha kay main nay Ashraf thanvi ki hifzul iman ki gustakhana ibarat main lafz jaisa use kia hai,, 

 

to janab abb app sahee manoo main deobandi zehaniyat ka muzahira kar rahy hain, kion kay jab kisi deobandi say iss ibarat ka koi maqool jawab na ban pay to woo bhee yahee kahtay hain kah (jaisa nahee kaha , agar jaisa kaha hota to gustakhi the kion kah aisa kaha hai iss liya gustakhi nahee hai, ).

 

to janab iss ibarat main jaisa ho ya aisa ibarat kay mafhoom par koi farq nahee parta, agar yaqeen na aye to misal mulahiza farmayee,

 

 mameenkhn shab app nay apnay walid sahb ka chahra yanee moon to mulahiza kia ho ga, lakin main yea kahta hoon kay app kay walid sahb kay chahray main app kay walid ki kai takhsees aisa chahara to khotay ka bhee hota hai,balkah kuta khanzeer aur jitnay galeez janwar hai sab ka chahra aisa hee hota hai, 

 

 kion janab ibarat to mulahiza farma li ho gee app nay, aur iss ibarat main umeed hai kah koi gustakhi nahee hoyee ho gee, kion kah aisa ka lafz use karnay say deobandiyon kay nazdeek koi gustakhi nahe hotee, hai na,?

 

aur app dakh saktay hain kay main nay kaheen bhe jaisa ka lafz istamal nahee kia hai, balkha aisa hee use kia hai,lakin agar iss ibarat ko parh kar tumain koi gustakhi mahsoos ho , to samjh lana kah tumharay molvi nay bhe gustakhi ki hai, balkha woo gustkahi iss say kaheen baree hai,

 

kion kah yea ibarat to tumharay baap kay liya likhee gayee hai, jab kah wo ibarat

 

Un (saw) kay baray main likhee gayee hai, kah Jin (saw) ka apna faraman hai kah koi Admi uss waqt tak momin nahee ho sakta kah jab tak main uss ko uss kay maan baap say barh kar azzeen na ho jayoon, 

 

Ahtasaab app kud farma lijay, haan agar mazeed bhee koi kasar baqi rah gayee ho to uhatyee aitraazz , inshaAllah app ko abb app kay deobnadi zehnait kay level kay mutabiq jawab dia jay ga,  :lol:

 

2.   aik aitraz app nay yea bhe kai hai kah main topic ko tabdeel kar raha hoon,

 

(yani ulta chor kotwal ko dantay )aur app yea bhee kahtay hain kay yea thread Aala Hazrat (ra) ki ibarat hai jab kah mian deobandiyo ki ibarat baray guftugu kar raha hoon, 

 

kion mameenkhn sahb hawa nikal gayee ,

 

main nay kab inkar kia hai kah yea thread Aala Hazrat (ra) ki ibarat nahee, lakin app nay jo Aala Hazrat (ra) ki ibarat post ki tahee uss ka jawab app ko day dia gia tha , app nay kud farmaya tah kah mujay jawab mil gia hai, aur sath hee app nay dosra sawal apnay deobandi ulama ki ibaarat kay mutliq khud kia tha  kah inn ko achay mafhoom main kion nahee liay gaya, to jawaban main nay app ko app hee kay deobandi ulama ki iabarat post ki theen aur pocha tha kay inn ka acha mafoom app kud irsahb farma dijay ,,

 

lakin abb app aik nayee kahani gahar rahy ho, waah ray munafaqat, wasay lagta hai kah munafqat bhee app deobandiyo say paana mangti ho gee, :D

 

,bahar hall kuch sooch samaj kay aitraz karoo , apnee post ko pehlay parh lia karoo, post kudh kartay ho ,aur jab jawab diya jay to,, oo jee topic tabdeel kar dia, , oo kuch aqal ko hath maroo, kion tumhara damgh pher gia hai,

 

wasay damagh to pherna hee tha,, tumharay to baray baray molvion ka damag pher jata hai, aisee post par , tum koon say bagh ki mooli ho, 

 

3.   abb app kay agalay jawab ki janib, 

 

to yahan app to achee kahsi dandi mar gay janab, app nay kaha kay app Hazoor (saw) ki qabar main hiyat kay qail hai, jab kah app ka molvi iss kay baraks,

 

aur abb  app jawab mian kahtay ho kay , iss ibarat kay jawab kay liya intazaaar kijay, to janab saf saf kion nahee likh dia kay jawab nahee hai, baat to seede see hai,

 

ya haan to ya naan,        acha acha iss main bhee wohee koi munafaqaana roosh dondnay ki saee,, to janab koshish farma lijay , lakin bohat mushkil hai,

 

yea joti to app kay galoon ko mutawaram kar kay hee choray gee,  :)

 

issee laiya, app ko maray aik mashwara hai,

 

kah pehlay ja kar apnay molvion kay aqeeday kay baray agahee hasil karo pher aa kar aitraz utahan , pata tumain apnay movlion kay aqeeday baray nahee, aur chaly ho Aala Hazrat (ra) ki ibarat par aiatraz kar nay ,( Yea moon aur masoor ki dal,) daath taray ki,

 

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yaha app nay kaha kay app ko chamar wali ibarat main Ambiya (as) ka lafz dikhaya jay,

 

to janab arz yea hai kah app mujay choti aur bari makhlooq ka farq waziha kar dijay, kah choti aur bari makhlooq say kia murad hai,

 

oo janab hum nay to sirf unhen ibarat ko gustakhana kaha hai jahan par takhsees kay sath zikar kia gia hai, agar app ka movli sirf makhlooq ka lafz istamal karta to kisi ko koi aitraz nahee tha janab,

 

aur aaj tak kisi nay inkar nahee kia hai kah yea ibarat Ambiya (as) kay mutaliq nahee hai,

 

agar aisa kia hai to dekha dijay with proof, lakin zubani kalmi inkar app nahee kar saktay , iss laya, ya to toba kijay kay waqee kufria ibarat hai, to ya pher pura pura defa kijay apnay molvi ka, bagayee nahee,

 

aur yea baat to app apnay moon say bhee iqrar kar chukay hain, jahan app nay kud irsahb farmaya kay agar Aala Hazrat (ra) lafz Shabbashi istamal kar saktay hain Ambiya (as) kay liya to agar hamary molvi nay chamar kah dia to kia farq parta hai,(maaz Allah)  

 

to janab shabbaashi ka tasalee bakhash jawab to app nay mulahhiza farma lia ,abb iss ibarat ko mafhoom bhee hamain samja dijay bagnay ki koshis na kareen, 

 

5.  

 

yahan app muja say aik sawal kar rahay hain hamarya Awliya izam (ra) kay ibarat kay mutlaiq ,

 

kah jis kay barya main pehlay bhee app ko peachlee post main jawab day chuka hai, jahan app nay kisi kitab kay kagaz ka chota sa palanda laga kar aik aitaraz utahay tha,

 

kay yea gustakhan ibarat hain kay nahee, to janab jawab dubara arz kiay data hoon, kay abal to inn ibarat main gustakhi ka ansar kaheen nahee paya jata .

 

iss tarah kay hazaroon irashad app ko milayeen gay sufia kay kalam main, kah jis main duniya aur makhlooq say bay rugbatii ka dars ho ga,

 

lakin inn main app Ambiya (as) ko shamil nahee kar saktay aur na hee inn main kaheen takhsees kay sath Ambiay (as) ka zikar hota hai, 

 

lakin mazeed bhee main nay app ki tashfi kay liya arz kia tha , kay yea taswwaf ki batain hain, agar app inn par baat karnay chahtay hain , to banayee aik aur thread , aur asal page scan kay sath post kijay , to pher doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jay ga, ta kah app ko bhee app kay ulama kai aisee kai ibaratin dekahee jayeeen ,, to pher lgayee ga unn par fatway,, 

 

abhee to app yahan par unn ibaratoon ko to kufr manaanay say inkar kar rahy hain, kah jin main baqaida Nabi (saw) ka naam lay kar app ka molvi kaise kaisee jurat kar raha hai, aur jahan par kisi Nabi (saw) to kuja kisi Wali (ra) kay naam ka zikar bhee nahee wahan app ko aitraz nazar aa raha ha, ajeeb mantaq hai janab app ki,  

 

aur akhar main janab app nay kahan kay app Aala Hazrat (ra) ki gustakana ibaratain post kar saktay hain, to janab app ko roka kis nay hai, khali barkiyan na mara karoo, agar kuch ho to proof kay sath post kia karoo, 

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(salam) , to all sunni brothers,

 

janab, mameenkhn shab, yea molvi bhee app ka fatwa bhee app ka, iss baray bhee zara irshab farma dijay,

aur abb maree inn dono postes ka jawab inayat farma kar mashkoor farmyaee, :rolleyes:

Allah (azw) app ko hidyat naseeb karay,

Fatwa of Kufr upon Mawlana Mahmoodul Hasan al Deobandi by Deobandi scholars

 

Mawlana Rashid Gangohee writes in his Fatwa

 

“ Those who read and write Marsiyah ( elegy =song written in praise of dead ) are Fasiq ( sinner)

 

 

( Vol 2 , page 39)

 

Mawlana Rashid Gangohee also writes

 

“All the marsiyah which is read in praise of martyrs of Karbala should either be burnt or buried “

 

( Fatwa Rashidiya p 276. Karanchi edition. )

 

In another work with the name “ Haarikul Asrar “ which used to come as a supplement along with Taqwiyatul Iman it is written that to read and write marsiyah is the work of Majoosi ( fire worshipper).

 

 

After Mawlana Rashid Gangohee died , his student , Mawlana Mahmoodul Hasan wrote marsiyah in praise of Mawlana Rashid Gangohee! Mawlana Mahmoodul Hasan is called “ shaykhul Hind” by the deobandis and he is among deobandi “ akabir”.

 

Strangely the ruling that “ marsiyah” is not allowed , became valid ! This was published fom deoband , not once but many times.

 

Here are a few lines from this marsiyah , written by Shaykh Mahmoodul hasan in praise of Mawalan Rashid Gangohee.

 

 

 

The "Sheikh-ul-Hind" of the Deoband, Janab Mahmood-ul-Hasan, sought remedies for all his needs from the Imam of Deobandis , Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi Sahib. He says:

 

" To whom shall I now turn for the redress of my needs!

The redresser of all my physical and spiritual needs is now gone. "

 

"Ghaus" means one who redresses one's grievances. And Mahmood-ul-Hasan Sahib addresses Gangohi Sahib not only as "Ghaus" but as "Ghaus-e-A'zam". Just see.

 

"He is the second Junaid and Shiblee and Abu Mas'ood Ansari,

He is the Rasheed-e-Millat-o-Deen, the Ghaus-e-A'zam, the Qutb-e-Rabbani".

 

Mahmood-ul-Hasan Sahib declared Gangohi Sahib to be not only all these things, but also as "Murrabiye-Khalaaiq", "Maseehaa-i-Zamaan, Qaseem-i-Faiz-e-Yazdaah, the equal of the founder of Islam, host to all creations, Muhyud Deen Jeelaani, the fountainhead of all beneficence, without any parallel, the object of veneration and reverence in this world and in the next, the light through and through, and Allah alone knows what else besides. In the compendium of his poetical works, he says:

 

"My guides, my teachers, for me the be-all and end-all,

You are my masters, my patrons and my princes.

Rasheed and Qaasim-i-Kairaat, both are venerated teachers

 

We sent these original lines to different Deobandi Mufti asking them whether these type of statements constitute kufr or not. We did not tell them that these lines are from their own scholar.

 

The deobandi muftis were United that all thes statements constitute KUFR.

 

So the deobandi scholars have done takfir upon their own sheikhul Hind, Mawalan Mahmoodul Hasan,

 

 

Kindly see the scan of original fatwa issued by deobandi muftis.

 

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1. app nay apnee last post main maray pehlay sawal ka jawab datay hoyee kaha kay main nay Ashraf thanvi ki hifzul iman ki gustakhana ibarat main lafz jaisa use kia hai,,

 

to janab abb app sahee manoo main deobandi zehaniyat ka muzahira kar rahy hain, kion kay jab kisi deobandi say iss ibarat ka koi maqool jawab na ban pay to woo bhee yahee kahtay hain kah (jaisa nahee kaha , agar jaisa kaha hota to gustakhi the kion kah aisa kaha hai iss liya gustakhi nahee hai, ).

 

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Jhootay per Allah ki Karoroon lanat

 

Saq e raza sahib ne jhot main PHD ki hai, aur apnay jhot ko chupanay ki koshish ker rahay hain. Main ye keh raha tha k jo post tum na ki hai aur jo post Chisti Qadri ne ki hai uus main zameen aasmaan ka farq hai. Jab aap kisi ki ibarat pesh ker rahay ho to hu bahu wohi ibarat pesh kerni chahiye thi.

 

Magar Sharam Tum ko phir bhi nahi Ayee. Hona to ye chahiye tha k Apni ghalti maantay aur kehtay Aainda sahi aur puuri ibarat naqal karonga.

 

to janab iss ibarat main jaisa ho ya aisa ibarat kay mafhoom par koi farq nahee parta, agar yaqeen na aye to misal mulahiza farmayee,

Agar Mafhoom se baat banti hai to Aap k Ala Hazrat Hadaaiq e Bakhshish page 42 per kehtay hain.

 

Koi kyon phouuchay tere baat raza

 

Tujh se kuttay hazaar phirtay hain

 

Ab yahan Khan sahab apnay aap ko Kutta kehtay hain aur kehtay hain k mere jese kuttay hazaar phirtay hain. To ala hazrat ki tehreer ka mafhoom aap ko pata chala k Ala Hazrat Kuttay se bhi badtar hain. Bolo Mante ho.

 

mameenkhn shab app nay apnay walid sahb ka chahra yanee moon to mulahiza kia ho ga, lakin main yea kahta hoon kay app kay walid sahb kay chahray main app kay walid ki kai takhsees aisa chahara to khotay ka bhee hota hai,balkah kuta khanzeer aur jitnay galeez janwar hai sab ka chahra aisa hee hota hai,

 

kion janab ibarat to mulahiza farma li ho gee app nay, aur iss ibarat main umeed hai kah koi gustakhi nahee hoyee ho gee, kion kah aisa ka lafz use karnay say deobandiyon kay nazdeek koi gustakhi nahe hotee, hai na,?

 

aur app dakh saktay hain kay main nay kaheen bhe jaisa ka lafz istamal nahee kia hai, balkha aisa hee use kia hai,lakin agar iss ibarat ko parh kar tumain koi gustakhi mahsoos ho , to samjh lana kah tumharay molvi nay bhe gustakhi ki hai, balkha woo gustkahi iss say kaheen baree hai,

Ye jo misaal aap ne de hai , ye hifzul imaan ki ibarat nahi hai, Lehaza aap ka ye misaal dena theek nahi hai.

 

Raha sawal gustakhi ka. To jo sentence aap ne istemaal kia hai ye Aap k Ahmad Raza aur uuss ki Zurriat ki hi peda waar hosakta hai. This is Khan Sahab and his companions Specialty.

 

Jo sentence Hazrat Thanvi ne istemaal kia hai wohi main Apnay walid k liye istemaal kerta huun.

 

“Phir ye k mere walid ki zaat per ilm e ghaib ka hokum kia jana agar baqol Zaid sahi ho to daryaft talab ye amar hai k is ghaib se murad baaz ghaib hai kul ghaib hai, Agar baaz uloom e ghaibia muraad hai to iis main mere walid ki kia taqsees hai, aisa ilm e ghaib to zaid o umer balkay har sabi o majnoon balkay jamee hewanaat o baahim k leye bhi haasil hai, kyon k her shakhs ko kisi na kisi aisi baat ka ilm hota hai jo duusray shakh se makhfi hai to chahiye k sab ko aalim ul ghaib kaha jai.”

 

 

Chalye Yehi ibarat main Hazrat Thanvi k leye likhta huun.

 

“Phir ye k Ashraf Ali ki zaat per ilm e ghaib ka hokum kia jana agar baqol Zaid sahi ho to daryaft talab ye amar hai k is ghaib se murad baaz ghaib hai kul ghaib hai, Agar baaz uloom e ghaibia muraad hai to iis main Ashraf Ali ki kia taqsees hai, aisa ilm e ghaib to zaid o umer balkay har sabi o majnoon balkay jamee hewanaat o baahim k leye bhi haasil hai, kyon k her shakhs ko kisi na kisi aisi baat ka ilm hota hai jo duusray shakh se makhfi hai to chahiye k sab ko aalim ul ghaib kaha jai.”

 

Yehi ibarat main Ahmad Raza k leye likhta huun.

 

“Phir ye k Ahmad Raza ki zaat per ilm e ghaib ka hokum kia jana agar baqol Zaid sahi ho to daryaft talab ye amar hai k is ghaib se murad baaz ghaib hai kul ghaib hai, Agar baaz uloom e ghaibia muraad hai to iis main Ahmad Raza ki kia taqsees hai, aisa ilm e ghaib to zaid o umer balkay har sabi o majnoon balkay jamee hewanaat o baahim k leye bhi haasil hai, kyon k her shakhs ko kisi na kisi aisi baat ka ilm hota hai jo duusray shakh se makhfi hai to chahiye k sab ko aalim ul ghaib kaha jai.”

 

Koi gustakhi nahi shart ye hai k khan sahab ki gh….z Ainak uutaar ker perho. Magar aap logo ki zehniyat ka koi ilaaj nahi hai.

 

Ye aik ilzami jawab tha Hazrat Thanvi ki taraf se us k liye jo Nabi Pak Sallalahu Alehi wasallam ko Aalimul Ghaib kehta hai.

 

Ye main phelay hi likh chukka huun k Hazrat Asharaf Ali Thanvi ussi Kitab Hifzul Imaan main agay apna Aqeeda bata chukay hain k “Nabuwwat k lye jo uloom lazim o zaroori thai wo aap ko batamamhi hasil ho gai tha.”

 

Is ka aap ne koi jawab nahi diya Halwa samajh k kha gai, Aap is ka jawab Qiyamat tak nahi de sakain gai Inshallah.

 

Ab insaaf shart hai jo shakhs Huzoor ko jame’a ullooom aaliya shariifa mutaalliqa nabuwwat keh raha hai kia wo Zaid o Umar …. K ilm ko mumasil Huzoor k ilm k batlaiga. Ye uloom to Aap sallallahu alaihi wassalam k misal tamaam Ambiya o malaika alihum salam ko bhi hasil nahi.

 

Basatul banan ki puri tafseel se ye wazaih ho jata hai K ibarat main Huzoor k ilm k mushabah Ma’az Allah Zaid o Umar waghaira ko nahi kaha gaya. Balkay Baaz uloom e ghaibiya ilawa shariah k mutaaliq kaha gaya. E.g. ilme Sha’r (poetry) main baray baray sahaba o tabaaieen nay kamal haasil kya jab ka Nabi pak sallallahu alaihi wassalam k liye

 

1. Quran ki ayat ka mafhoom hai k aap ko Sher ka ilm nahi diya aur na ye aap k shayane shaan tha. (Surah Yaseen Ayat 69). Ab koi khan sahib ki tarhaan ye kahay k Quran main Huzoor k ilm ko sahabah se bhi kam batlaya gaya hai.(Ma’azallah) To afsoos uus ki himaqat per.

 

2. Quran main Hazrat Moosa aur Khizar Aleh salam ka waqia mulahiza kije.Hazrat Moosa Aleh Salam uun waqioon k ramooz se waqif nahi hain jo Hazrat Khizar ko Allah Ta’ala ne ilhaam ke zerye bata diye thai. Jab k Hazrat Moosa Uulul Azam Rasool aur ilm o fazal k aitebaar se uun se Afzal hain.

Ab koi Khan sahab ki tarhaan ye kahay k Moosa Aleh Salam ki gustakhi hai (Ma’azallah). Ya ye kahe k Quran me Hazrat Moosa Aleh salam k ilm ko Khizar Aleh salam se bhi kam batlaya gaya hai (Ma’azallah). To Allah Ussay Hidayat de.

 

3. Quran main Hazrat Sulaiman Aleh salam aur Hudhud ka waqia mulahiza kije. Hudhud aik janwar parinda hai wo Hazrat ko kehta hai “Mujhay wo ittela hai jo aap ko nahi” (Surah AnNamal Ayat 22). Hudhud ko k jo aik janwar hai ussay qoam e saba k ilm Allah ne diya tha jab k Sulaiman Alai salam Nabi hain lekin unhain is ka ilm nahi tha.

Ab koi aap ki tarhaan ahmaq ye kahay k hud hud nai Sulaiman alay salam ki shaan main gustakhi ki hai (Ma’azallah) aur kaha hai “Mujhay wo ittela hai jo aap ko nahi” . Ya ye kahe k Quran me Hazrat Sulaimaan Aleh salam k ilm ko Hud hud se bhi kam batlaya gaya hai (Ma’azallah). To iska koi ilaaj nahi.

 

Aap k Khan sahab ne is ibarat main “Aisa ilm” main Aisa ko tashbeeh k liye samaj gai aur ilm se muraad ilm e Nabawi samaj gai. Lafz aisa Baqareen e Muqam e Mutlaq k liye bhi aata hai. e.g. “ALLAH aisa Qadir Hai”.

 

Hazrat Thanvi ne wahan aisa ka lafz tashbeeh k liye istemaal nahi kiya. Aur ye wo baar baar apni deegar kitaboon main wazaih ker chukay hai. Ager kertay to ussi Hifzul imaan main ye hargiz nahi likhtay “Nabuwwat k lye jo uloom lazim o zaroori thai wo aap ko batamamhi hasil ho gai tha.”

 

Balkay Hazrat Hakeem ul ummat k nazdeek wo shakhs kafir hai jo aap k ilm ko Janwaroon k baraber mane. Hazrat ki ibarat mulahiza ho.

 

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Umeed hai ka aap ki tabayat saaf ho gai hogi.

 

3. abb app kay agalay jawab ki janib,

to yahan app to achee kahsi dandi mar gay janab, app nay kaha kay app Hazoor ki qabar main hiyat kay qail hai, jab kah app ka molvi iss kay baraks,

 

aur abb app jawab mian kahtay ho kay , iss ibarat kay jawab kay liya intazaaar kijay, to janab saf saf kion nahee likh dia kay jawab nahee hai, baat to seede see hai,

 

ya haan to ya naan, acha acha iss main bhee wohee koi munafaqaana roosh dondnay ki saee,, to janab koshish farma lijay , lakin bohat mushkil hai,

 

yea joti to app kay galoon ko mutawaram kar kay hee choray gee,

 

issee laiya, app ko maray aik mashwara hai,

 

kah pehlay ja kar apnay molvion kay aqeeday kay baray agahee hasil karo pher aa kar aitraz utahan , pata tumain apnay movlion kay aqeeday baray nahee, aur chaly ho Aala Hazrat ki ibarat par aiatraz kar nay ,( Yea moon aur masoor ki dal,) daath taray ki,

Mitti main milnay ka ma’ani . Kyon k admi ko qabar main Chaaroon taraf se mitti ahata ker leti hai, aur niichay aadmi ki mitti se jasad ma’a kafan k mulaahiq hota hai. Ye Mitti main milna aur mitti se milana kehlata hai.

 

 

Lughat k hawalay main post ker raha hun. Saath hi Hazrat gangohi ka jawab, Shah ismaeel shaheed ki ibarat k baray main. Isse Hazrat Ganghohi ka bhi aqeeda wazaih ho jata hai.

 

 

Alhamdillilah Hamara ye Aqeeda hai k Nabi Sallahu alahe wassalam Apni qabar main hayat hain.

 

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4. next yaha app nay kaha kay app ko chamar wali ibarat main Ambiya ka lafz dikhaya jay,

 

to janab arz yea hai kah app mujay choti aur bari makhlooq ka farq waziha kar dijay, kah choti aur bari makhlooq say kia murad hai,

oo janab hum nay to sirf unhen ibarat ko gustakhana kaha hai jahan par takhsees kay sath zikar kia gia hai, agar app ka movli sirf makhlooq ka lafz istamal karta to kisi ko koi aitraz nahee tha janab,

aur aaj tak kisi nay inkar nahee kia hai kah yea ibarat Ambiya kay mutaliq nahee hai,

agar aisa kia hai to dekha dijay with proof, lakin zubani kalmi inkar app nahee kar saktay , iss laya, ya to toba kijay kay waqee kufria ibarat hai, to ya pher pura pura defa kijay apnay molvi ka, bagayee nahee,

 

Tumhara dawa tha k khususan Ambiya aur Awliya ki gustakhi ki hai. Jab tak Ambiya Auwliya ka lafz uus ibarat main na ho us waqt tak takhsees sabit nahi hoti.

Ambiya aur Auwliya ka lafz dikhao. Khiyamat tak tum uus ibarat main Ambiya ka lafz nahi dhikha saktay inshallah.

 

aur yea baat to app apnay moon say bhee iqrar kar chukay hain, jahan app nay kud irsahb farmaya kay agar Aala Hazrat lafz Shabbashi istamal kar saktay hain Ambiya kay liya to agar hamary molvi nay chamar kah dia to kia farq parta hai,(maaz Allah)

 

Jhootay per Allah ki Karoroon la’anat

 

Saqe- e raza lagta hai aap ne Jhoot bolnay main double PHD Kia hai. Aap mere phichly post parhain main nai likha tha “Agar Alahazrat Shabbashi likhay to wo to sahi matlab main nikla jai aur agar Deobandi kuch likhay uus ka waawela kia jai.”

 

Jo aap ne likha hai wo main ne hargiz nahi likha, ma’az Allah. This is specialty of Khan sahib and company . Jhootay per Allah ki Karoroon la’anat. Kyon Jhoot bol bol ker Allah ki la’anat k mustahiq ho rahai ho.

 

5.yahan app muja say aik sawal kar rahay hain hamarya Awliya izam kay ibarat kay mutlaiq ,

kah jis kay barya main pehlay bhee app ko peachlee post main jawab day chuka hai, jahan app nay kisi kitab kay kagaz ka chota sa palanda laga kar aik aitaraz utahay tha,

 

kay yea gustakhan ibarat hain kay nahee, to janab jawab dubara arz kiay data hoon, kay abal to inn ibarat main gustakhi ka ansar kaheen nahee paya jata .

 

iss tarah kay hazaroon irashad app ko milayeen gay sufia kay kalam main, kah jis main duniya aur makhlooq say bay rugbatii ka dars ho ga,

lakin inn main app Ambiya ko shamil nahee kar saktay aur na hee inn main kaheen takhsees kay sath Ambiay ka zikar hota hai,

 

lakin mazeed bhee main nay app ki tashfi kay liya arz kia tha , kay yea taswwaf ki batain hain, agar app inn par baat karnay chahtay hain , to banayee aik aur thread , aur asal page scan kay sath post kijay , to pher doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jay ga, ta kah app ko bhee app kay ulama kai aisee kai ibaratin dekahee jayeeen ,, to pher lgayee ga unn par fatway,,

 

abhee to app yahan par unn ibaratoon ko to kufr manaanay say inkar kar rahy hain, kah jin main baqaida Nabi ka naam lay kar app ka molvi kaise kaisee jurat kar raha hai, aur jahan par kisi Nabi to kuja kisi Wali kay naam ka zikar bhee nahee wahan app ko aitraz nazar aa raha ha, ajeeb mantaq hai janab app ki,

 

aur akhar main janab app nay kahan kay app Aala Hazrat ki gustakana ibaratain post kar saktay hain, to janab app ko roka kis nay hai, khali barkiyan na mara karoo, agar kuch ho to proof kay sath post kia karoo,

 

Shah Ismaeel Shaheed Bhi Allah k Auwliya main se thay aur Ahl e La ilaha illallah hain. Agar na hotay to aap k Khan sahab un k baray main hargiz ye na likhtay “Ahl e La ilaha illallah” (Tamheed e Eemaan page 355) Shayad Isse lye Khan Sahab ne Takfeer Nahi ki. Lekin Aap apne Ala Hazrat ke batlaae howay har farz se zayada ahem farz ko chortay huway Shah Ismaeel Shaheed ko kafir bananay per tulay huway hain.

 

Chamaar wali ibarat main takhsees us waqat tak sabit nahi hoti jab tak aap us main Ambiya aur Awliya ka lafz na dhikha dain. Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilaani Rehmatullah Alaeh ne Tammam Ahle zameen ka lafz istemaal kiya hai, Nizam uddin Rehmatullah Alaeh ne Saaree Khalkhat ka lafz istemaal kia hai.

 

Aap ne kaha k Shah Ismaeel Shaheed ne Rasullullah Sallalahu Alehi wassallam ki Gustakhi ki hai. Mujhay ye Batoa Rasullullah Sallalahu Alehi wassallam ka gustaakh kafir hai ya nahi? Agar hai to phir Ala Hazrat Ki khair nahi. Haq waloon k forum pe zara is post ko per lena “Alahazrat ka IQRARI KUFAR....(Must Read)” aap ki maloomaat main bhi izaafa hoga.

 

Saq e Raza sahab Aap wasay fatway laganay aur mangwanay main mahir hain. Zara aik fatwa mujhay apnay Kisi darul Ifta se nikal ker manga dejeye.

 

Molvi Ismaeel pakka Kafir hai, aur jo uskay Kufar main shak karay ya Ahteyatan usay kafir na kaheay aur na likhay baulkay ussay Ahl e La ilaha illallah kahay,ya Us ki takfeer se sukuut pasand kare ya uskay kufur se kaff e lisaan karay wo bhi pakka kafir hai, uus ki touba qubool nahi hogi. Aur jo uskay kufur main shak karay ga wo bhi kafir aur murtid hai”

 

Mujhay Umeed nahi hai k aap ye fatwa jald hi manga dengay. Balkay Khiyamat to aa sakti lekin Rizwiya walay ye fatwa nahi de saktay.

 

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Aslam o alaikum to all muslim brothers ,

 

Reply to mr mameenkhn sahb.

 

janab mameenkhan sahb, sab say pehlay to mazrat kay dair say reply kar raha hoon, aur app ko kafi intizar ki zehmat bhee uthana paree, main chunkah aik mazdoor tabqay say tualaq rakhta hoon, iss liya kaam ki ziyatti ki waja say time na ban para , umeed karta hoon app ignore kar deen gay, jawabat mulahiza hoon,

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Jhootay per Allah ki Karoroon lanat

 

Saq e raza sahib ne jhot main PHD ki hai, aur apnay jhot ko chupanay ki koshish ker rahay hain. Main ye keh raha tha k jo post tum na ki hai aur jo post Chisti Qadri ne ki hai uus main zameen aasmaan ka farq hai. Jab aap kisi ki ibarat pesh ker rahay ho to hu bahu wohi ibarat pesh kerni chahiye thi.

 

Magar Sharam Tum ko phir bhi nahi Ayee. Hona to ye chahiye tha k Apni ghalti maantay aur kehtay Aainda sahi aur puuri ibarat naqal karonga.

 

jee janab app nay durast farmaya kay jhooton par Allah (azw) ki lanat ho, aur na sirf jhooton par balkah munafiqoon par bhee,

abb zara ayeen aur jaiza latay hain app ki post ka ,

 

to mameenkhn sahb, app kay mutabiq hifzul iman ki iss ibarat main koi gustakhi nahee hai, jab kah main nay jo ibarat paish ki hai woo galat hai, kion kah uss main word jaisa use houa hai,

to sab say pehlay to app ko iss ka jawab deta chaloon , kah janab jinhoon nay jhoot bolna hota hai, woo sath main kitab ka safa kabi post na kartay , jab kah yea ibarat bama ibarat app ko paish ki gayee thee, ta kah agar koi kami baishe ho bhe to app ko shak na rahy, aur janab app khatay ho kay app ko sharmandgi honee chayee thee, kah ibarat galat quote ki,

abb iss baat par to hansna chahyee kah jab tumharay molvi kay moon say parda chak ho ,to sharmindagi humain honee chayee ya tumain , iss ka fiasla app par,

dusri baat, kah main nay apnee pehlee post main chunkah makhsoos ibarat ko post karna tha iss liya jaisa use kia, lakin abb app say sawal yea hai, kah agar mara jaisa use karnay say ibarat tabdeel ho rahee hai, to woo tabdeelee to zara samjah dain, kah kis tarah say aisa use kareen to gustakhi nahee aur agar jaisa use kareen to gustakhi hai, zara farq samjah deen,mara sawal yea hai kah app ka molvi kaht hai kah ,

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abb zara ibarat ko goor say mulahiza farmeayeen,

 

 

Agar baz ilm e gabia murad hain to iss main Hazoor (saw) hee ki kai takhsees aisa ilm gaib to.......

1, kaisa ilm gaiba, yanee yea jo app kay molvi nay kaha hai kah aisa ilm gaib to yea kis kay ilm ki baat kar raha hai, iss ka jawab inayat farma dijay, lakin yaad rahy koi munfiqat nahee, bilkul saf saf batana kay kis kay ilm gaib ki baat ho rahee hai,aur tumhara molvi kis kay ilm gaib ko hayanat aur bhaeem say tashbee day raha hai,

aur aik aitraz shiad tum utho uss ka jawab main pehlay he day deta hoon , kah Hazoor (saw) kay nam kay sath darood sharif likah hai ,yea tumharay molvi nay nahee likah, abb ho sakta hai tum kahoo kay ibarat ko hoo bhaoo paish karo, to maray mohtaram tumharay movli nay to darood na likah . lakin main aisa nahee kar sakta iss ko bardasht kar leena ,

aur baqi jasay jasay time milay ga app ko app kay baqi post ka jawab bhee dia jay ga, insha Allah,lakin iss post ka jawab app par udhar ,,

to be continued,,,,,,,

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Ye jo misaal aap ne de hai , ye hifzul imaan ki ibarat nahi hai, Lehaza aap ka ye misaal dena theek nahi hai.

 

Raha sawal gustakhi ka. To jo sentence aap ne istemaal kia hai ye Aap k Ahmad Raza aur uuss ki Zurriat ki hi peda waar hosakta hai. This is Khan Sahab and his companions Specialty.

 

 

main bilkul manta hoon kay yea ibarat hifzul iman ki nahee hai, lakin janab miltee julti to hai, ziada farq to nahee hai, aur iss main koi gustakhi bhee nahee hai, jab gustakhi nahee to aitraz kaisa, :lol:

aur dusri baat janab, jab app nay Aala Hazrat (ra) ki ibarat par aitraz uthya tha jo kah shabbashi kay mutliq tha , jis par app ko jawab bhee day dia giya tha,, lakin us kay mutliq app ay refrance manga tha ,kah Aala Hazrat (raa) nay yea ibarat kahan say quote ki,

to janab abb app say bhee mara yahee sawal hai, kah app kay molvi nay hifzul iman ki safa 7 ki ibarat kahan say quote ki, zara iss ka hawal day dijay,

lakin dubara yad dela doon, refrance dijay ga, gol mol jawab nahee, aur baat gumanay ki koshsshis mat kijay ga, to be continued........

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Mitti main milnay ka ma’ani . Kyon k admi ko qabar main Chaaroon taraf se mitti ahata ker leti hai, aur niichay aadmi ki mitti se jasad ma’a kafan k mulaahiq hota hai. Ye Mitti main milna aur mitti se milana kehlata hai.

 

 

Lughat k hawalay main post ker raha hun. Saath hi Hazrat gangohi ka jawab, Shah ismaeel shaheed ki ibarat k baray main. Isse Hazrat Ganghohi ka bhi aqeeda wazaih ho jata hai.

 

 

Alhamdillilah Hamara ye Aqeeda hai k Nabi Sallahu alahe wassalam Apni qabar main hayat hain.

 

 

 

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(salam) ,to all sunni brother's,

 

JHOOT + MUNAFQAT = DEOBANDI

 

LETS SEE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,HOW?

 

iss forum main mojood tamam bhai iss shaks mameenkhn ki post ko parh kar dekh saktay hian kah yea shkas kis tarah say bar bar jhootoon par Allah (azw) ki lanat bajh raha hai, lakin khood kis ravani say jhoot aur munafqat ka muzhira kar raha hai, maree iss post ko parhanya kay baad app ko andaza ho jay ga, abb mulahiza ho iss shakas ki post ko kay jis main yea mujh par jhoota hunay ka ilzam laga raha hai,

 

1, baqool iss sakhs kay kay hifzul iman ki ibarat main gustaki nahee hai, aur jo ibarat main nay post ki hai woo bilkkul galat hai, jab kay hifzul iman ki ibarat kuch aur hai, kion kah maree ki gayee post main lafz jaisa use houa hai,

jab kay maray baqool iss ibarat main agar aisa use karo ya jaisa koi farq nahee parh raha kion kay sirf makhsoos ibarat ko post karna tha iss liya helping verb kay sath sirf makhsoos ibarat ko post kia gay, lakin ibarat kay mafhoom par koi farq na parah, aur yea kisi thoos saboot kay sath sabit bhee na kar saky kay iss ibarat par kis tarah say farq parah,

aur apnee last post main , main nay inn say dubara sawal bhee kia hai kah aisa ilm gaib say tumaray molvi ki kia murad hai yea kis kay ilm gaib ki baat kar raha hai, lakin kion kah ibarat say ko unparh jahil bhee andaza kar sakta hai kay yea sakhs sara sar Hazoor (saw) ki ilm gaib ki baat kar raha hai,

lakin abb app ko iss shaks ki munafqat dekhata hoon kay kis tarah say yea shkas apnay movli ki iss ibarat main to aisa ko jaisa say mananay ko tayar nahee lakin jab baree ismail delvi ki ayee to iss nay kis tarah say ibarat ko dusray matlab main likah diaya , mulahiza ho iss shkas ki post ko ,,,,,,,,,,

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abb zara gooor say mulahiza kijya kah iss ka molvi to apnee kitab main Hazoor (saw) kay mar kar matti main milnay ki baat kar raha hai,(maaz Allah (azw) )

lakin yea shkas kis tarah say matti main milnay ko matti say milna kay sath tabdeel kar raha hai,

aur uss kay mutaliq jo misal day raha hai, woo bhee mulahiza ho , kion kay mara nahee khail kay iss misal ko kachi pakki ka bacha bhee sahee kahay,

iss ka movli kahta hai kay main kabi say kay mani main bhee istamal hota hai, jasa kay darakth main bandh do , :o

 

lakin ayeen sab say pehlay to main aur say ka jaiza latay hain kay inn donooo ilfaz ka apas main kitna farq hai,

lakin yea munafiq apnay molvi kay defa main kitna bara jhoot bool rahay hain aur apnay hee moon say jhooton par lanat yeanee apnay upar lanat bajh rahay hain, mulahiza ho.

1, sab say pehlay to batata chaloo kay iss kay movli nay apnee ibarat main lafz main use kia hai, '

abb urdu main jab bhee kisi cheez ko kisi cheez ka sath milna zahir kiya jata hai to amooman lafz main ya say use kia jata hai, lakin yea dono lafz apnay andar bilkul hee mukhtallif manee rakhtay hain,

misal kay toor par agar koi bhee cheez kisi doosree cheez kay sath milay aur inn kay iss milap say aik cheez ka wajjod khatam ho jay to aisay milap main lafz main use ho ga,

jis tarah kay hum kahtay hia kay pani main cheene melayee jati hai, pani say cheene nahee milayee jati

kion kah jab cheene pani kay udar apna wajood kho detee hai, app abb cheene ko pani say alag alag nahee kar saktay ,iss laiya yea cheene ka pani main milna kahlay ga,

abb ayee dusree misal ki janib kah jo misal inhoo nay apnee kitab say bhee zahir ki, iss main darakh main bandanay ka zikar hai, :lol: halankah,

jab bhee koi wajood kisi dusray wajood kay sath muttasil hota hai,to woo say milna kahlata hai, kah jis main woo dono wajood apna apna wajood barqarar rakhtay hain lakin siaf aik dusray say mil jatay hain yani muttsil ho jatay hain

,lakin murakab nahe bantay, kionkah agar koi dusra murakab ban jatay to wooo aik wajoood ka dusray main milna kahlata,

lakin app dekh saktay hain, kah iss shaks ko hifzul iman ki ibarat par kitna aitrz tha kay aisa ki jaga jaisa use kia giya , halan kah ibarat kay matlab main kisi kisam ka koi farq na , tha,,

lakin agar bafrzay galat yea mann bhee liya jay kay ibrat main farq tha ,

to iss shaks ki baysahrmi mulahiza ho kay ismail delvi ki ibarat main likay gay lafz main ko kis tarah say kay manni main lay liya giya,

halan kah main sabit bhee kar chuka kay main aur say ka aapis main kitan farq hai, aur jab kah yea shkas kisi bhee ibarat ya thoos saboot kay sath aisa aur jaisa ka apas main farq sabit nahee kar saka,sirf apnay moon say bagair ksis sahee misal kay baat sabit nahee ki ja saktee,jo kay yea skahs denay say qasir hai lakin bas jhootoon par Allah (azw) ki lanat ho kah kah kar apna moon kala kar raha hai, :lol: issee liya main nay post kay shooro main bhee likah kay jhoot +munfqat =deobnadi,

 

to janab mameenkhn sahb abb app say bhee yahee sawal hai, kay kia waja kay aisa to jaisa kay sath tabdel nahe ho sakta lakin jab baree ayee, ismail delvi ki to main say kay sath tabddel ho giya, yea itnee munafqat kion, abb app kay pass do option hai,

1, ya to app yea tasleem kareen gay kay asia lafa jaisa kay manii rakhtah hai, agar app yea tasleem nahee kartay to pher app apnay dusray molvi ki ibarat ko bhee main ko say kay sath tabdeel nahe kar saktay balkah app ko usee main kay manni main baat karni ho gee, jo kah app nahee kar sakeen gay , kion kay agar main kay manii main baat kareen gay to app ka aur app kay movli ka aqeeda mukhtalif ho ga,

abb app buri tarah phas gay ho,

agar aik lafz ka manni dusray lafz say sabit honay ko tasleem karo gay to tumhara aik molvi Ashraf thani gia,

aur agar aisa tasleem nehee kartay to tumhara ismail delvi gai,

abb choice tumharay pass hai, kay apnay bayhuda aqaid main say kis kay aqeeday ko apnatay ho, abb yahan par sahee manoo main yea fiqra fit aata hai, kah

jhootoon par Allah

(azw) ki karoor ha karoor lanat

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Agar Mafhoom se baat banti hai to Aap k Ala Hazrat Hadaaiq e Bakhshish page 42 per kehtay hain.

 

 

 

 

 

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(salam) ,to all sunni brothers,

 

to janab mameenkhn sahb iss baray main kia khail hai,

 

 

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zara inn ki ibarat ka mafhoom bhe pasih kar dijay, :lol:

 

oo aqal kay andhay ,,, main nay jo post ki hain woo Nabi karim (saw) ki shan mai gustakhi kay baray main hain,

Aala Hazrat (ra) nay jo likha hai woo apnay baray main hai, apnay app ko woo aajzee aur inkisari main jo likain iss par tumain kia aitraz ,

haan lakin jab baat ho gee Hazoor (saw) kay baray main likhee gaiee kisi ibarat kay baray ,

to pher mafhoom bhee dekha jay ga,

pher matlab bhee dekha jay ga,

pher tashree bhe ki jay gee,

pher siyaq o sabaq bhee kia jay ga,

aur pher jis nay jo likha uss kay mutabiq uss par fatwa ho ga, koi Ashiq e Rasool (saw) to koi Gustakh e Rasool

abb main to woo post karoon jo tumharay molvion nay Hazoor (saw) kay baray main likha hai,

aur tum woo post karo jo Aala Hazrat (ra) nay apnay baray main aajzee aur inkasari main likha hai,

ooo kuch to shram karo, mazooo kay mutabiq post to karo, lakin

shram tum ko magar nahee aatee

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Tumhara dawa tha k khususan Ambiya aur Awliya ki gustakhi ki hai. Jab tak Ambiya Auwliya ka lafz uus ibarat main na ho us waqt tak takhsees sabit nahi hoti.

Ambiya aur Auwliya ka lafz dikhao. Khiyamat tak tum uus ibarat main Ambiya ka lafz nahi dhikha saktay inshallah.

 

 

 

Jhootay per Allah ki Karoroon la’anat

 

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(saw)

(salam) ,to all sunni brothers,

 

janab app say choti aur bari makhlooq kay baray main pocha gia tha kay choti aur bari makhlooq ka farq wahzia kar dijay,

lakin uss ka jawab to pee gay, aur lagay dubara say wohee rat laganay,

abhee tak to iss ibarat ka defa kartay ayee ho, aur abb jab koi jawab na baan para , to munafqat shuru, :angry:

kar jitnee munafqat kar sakta hai kar, lakin yaad rakhna yea to kuch bhee nahee abhee to sirf shuruaat hai, kis kis ibarat say bagao gay, tumhari to kitabain bhree pareen hain gustakhana ibaratoon say, agay agay dekthay jao,

aur main nay 2 adad fatway post kiya tahy tumharay molvion kay,jo kah unhoo nay apnay hee molvion kay baray main diya hain unn ka jawab bhee hazam kar gay tum, kion jis ka jawab nahee aata ,uss post ko aisay hee hazam kar jatay ho. jawab kion nahee dia, ?

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Saq e Raza sahab Aap wasay fatway laganay aur mangwanay main mahir hain. Zara aik fatwa mujhay apnay Kisi darul Ifta se nikal ker manga dejeye.

 

Molvi Ismaeel pakka Kafir hai, aur jo uskay Kufar main shak karay ya Ahteyatan usay kafir na kaheay aur na likhay baulkay ussay Ahl e La ilaha illallah kahay,ya Us ki takfeer se sukuut pasand kare ya uskay kufur se kaff e lisaan karay wo bhi pakka kafir hai, uus ki touba qubool nahi hogi. Aur jo uskay kufur main shak karay ga wo bhi kafir aur murtid hai”

 

Mujhay Umeed nahi hai k aap ye fatwa jald hi manga dengay. Balkay Khiyamat to aa sakti lekin Rizwiya walay ye fatwa nahi de saktay.

 

 

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(salam) ,to all sunni brothers,

 

Alahazrat Imam e Ahlesunnat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan alaihirahmatir Rahman nay Ismail Dahalvi ki kitab say bayshumar kufriyat naqal karay laiken is ki takfeer nahee farmaiay is ko kafir kahnay say Sakoot farmaya aur yei is baat ka saboot hai kay jo deobandi kahtay hai Alahazrat nay har kisi ko kafir kah dia wo sab say baray jhotay hain.

Alahazrat ka Ismail dahlavi ki takfeer na karna is baat ka buhat bara saboot hai kay Ulama e Ahlesunnat kisi ki takfir kay baray mai kis qadar ahtiyat say kaam laitay aur Alahazrat nay yaqeenan jin pay kufr ka fatwa lagaya wo apnay kufr pay qayam rahay , na koi wazahat na koi tau'ba balkay barha dawat dee khat likhay koi asar na howa ,,,, Ismail Dahalvi kay baray mai albatta yei mashoor hogaya tha kay us nay ta'uba kar lee hai aur apni kitab taqwiyat ul iman kay aqa'id say tai'b hogaya hai isi waja say Alahazrat nay Is kay baray mai sakoot farmaya kay 1 baat aisi mashoor ho gaee thee kay Is shaks nay tauba kar lee hai ..

 

Fatwa kufr say pahlay Alahazrat nay deobandi wahabi dosray mullao ko bhee khatot likhay thay kay wo wazahat karain apni kitabo mai darj gustakhana ibarat ki , Tauba karain magar wo sab apnay kufr pay datay rahay salha sal wo kitabain waisay he chapti rahee na koi tauba kee gaee na koi wazahat kari gaee jab kahee ja kay har ahtiyat har mumkin qadam uthanay kay baad Alahazrat Imame Ahlesunnat nay deobandi mullao pay fatwa kufr lagaya..

Deobandiyo ka hal yei hai kay khud he kahtay hai Alahazrat nay hamaray mullao ko kafir kah dia barelvi har kisi ko kafir kah daitay hain (jo kafir hai us ko phir kia kaha jaiay ga?) phir khud he yei bhee dawa kartay hai Alahazrat nay Ismail Dahalvi ko kafir nahe kaha .. in say koi pochay jab har kisi ko kafir kah daitay hai tu Ismail dahalvi ko kahnay mai kia haraj tha? sabit howa Alahazrat nay jin jin deobandi wahabi mullao ki takfeer kari un pay takfeer sabit ho chuki thee aur un ki takfer lazim ho chuki thee

 

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i think my answers are almost complete ,now its your turn to answer,but remember don't ever do munafqat in your reply,

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(saw)

(salam) ,to all sunni brothers,

 

janab mameenkhn sahb, pechlee posts kay jawabat to app par udar hain hee,aur inn kay jawabat bhee irshad farama dijay, kay inn ibaraat kay baray main app koon si roosh apnana pasand kareen gay , Munafqana, ya Jhoot :lol:

 

DEOBANDI MOLVI HUSSAIN ALI APNI TAFSEER BAGATUL HERAN MAIN LIKHA HAI KAH ALLAH AZZAWAJAL KO PEHLAY SAY KUCH ILM NAHI HOTA , USS KAY ILM MAIN JUB ATAA HAI JUB BANDA KOI KAAM KARTA HAI. (AL'AYAZUBILLAHI TA'ALA)

 

 

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Umati Amal mian Ambiya (as) say barh jatay hain, (Maaz Allah (azw) suma Maaz Allah (azw) )

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