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Barelvion ki gustakhian,

 

dear reader agar app barelvion ki gustakhian jo Ambia AS, Wali Allah etc ki shan main ki hain then app following books ka matalia karain, faisala app par chorta hoon kay GUSTAKHAY RASOOL SA KON, deoabd yan barevli

 

1)- Gustakhay Rasool SA kon

 

2) barta ja sharmata ja

 

3) damaka

 

4) Barelvi fitnay k nia roop

 

5) Raza khani mazab jild1,2 & 3 by Moulana Saeed Ahmed Qadri

 

6) Bidate aur bidati by Moulan Sarfraz Safdar

 

7) paglon ki kahani

 

8) tarma kinzul iman ka taqub

 

There are also many others books, you can read all these books on Alhe Sunnat wal Jammat

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Barelvion ki gustakhian,

 

dear reader agar app barelvion ki gustakhian jo Ambia AS, Wali Allah etc ki shan main ki hain then app following books ka matalia karain, faisala app par chorta hoon kay GUSTAKHAY RASOOL SA KON, deoabd yan barevli

 

1)- Gustakhay Rasool SA kon

 

2) barta ja sharmata ja

 

3) damaka

 

4) Barelvi fitnay k nia roop

 

5) Raza khani mazab jild1,2 & 3 by Moulana Saeed Ahmed Qadri

 

6) Bidate aur bidati by Moulan Sarfraz Safdar

 

7) paglon ki kahani

 

8) tarma kinzul iman ka taqub

 

There are also many others books, you can read all these books on Alhe Sunnat wal Jammat

 

 

 

 

Janab ye ghissi pitti kitaboo ke naam humein na hi ginwaiye tu acha hai. Jitni kitaboo ke aap ne naam diye un mein se baish'tar ka tu baqaida kitabi shikal mein radd mein khud parh chuka hun. Aur sab se bara lateefa tu ye ke jo aap ne "Raza khani mazab jild1,2 & 3 by Moulana Saeed Ahmed Qadri" ka zikr kya tu bilkul aap ki tarah aap ke deobandari alim bhi jahil aur dunya se be'khabar hotay hain. Iss kitab ke musannif Janab Saeed Ahmed Qadri sahab Alhamdulillah ghaleez deobandi aqeeday se taib ho kar Sunniyat qubool kar chukay aur apni pichli tamaam likhi kitabien bhi mansookh kar chukay.

 

Mujhay yaqeen hai ke ab ya tu aap iss baat ko maan'nay se inkaar kar dien gay ya phir siray se jawab dene ki hi zehmat na karein gay. Chaliye jo bhi ho, humaray liye yaqeenan naya na hoga.

 

Aap ki asaani aur tassali ke liye aik aur paish'kash. Ab zahir hai aap ne in kitabo ke naam paish kiye hain tu khud bhi parhi hongi ye kitabein. Ab aik kaam kijiye, aap ke mutabiq inn kitaboo mein aap ko jo sab se bad'tareen gustakhi lagay woh yaha bayaan kar dijiye, takay aap ke samnay bhi aap ke chaheetay Ulema ki ilmiyatt ke kuch namoonay rakhay jaye.

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Barelvion ki gustakhian,

 

dear reader agar app barelvion ki gustakhian jo Ambia AS, Wali Allah etc ki shan main ki hain then app following books ka matalia karain, faisala app par chorta hoon kay GUSTAKHAY RASOOL SA KON, deoabd yan barevli

 

1)- Gustakhay Rasool SA kon

 

janab pehle to sunniyo ko mubarak ho k deogandi k paas hamari baaton ka jawab nahi hai or hamari baaton ka jawab na dey kar inho nein tasleem kar liya hai k deobandi Mazhab waqai mein gustakh mazhab hai.

 

 

 

 

 

or aik or baat aap nein jo 1 number book "Gustakhay Rasool SA kon" ka tazkira kiya hai to arz hai k meri aik dosare forum par aap k munazir bhaiyo Malang,Ahnaf Defender ,e.t.c se debate hoi thi or unho nein hum sunniyo ko gustakhey Rasool sabit karne k liye isi book ka sahara liya tha jis ka rad main nein kiya tha aaj tak kaafi maheeney guzar gay koi reply nahi aaya aap k in munazir bhaiyo ki taraf se baqi aap ki un se baat hoti hi rehti ho gi to un se hamare jawabat k baarey mein zarooor pochiye ga :D

 

or baqi sybrite bhai nein sahi kaha hai k in kitabon k rad kiye ja chukey hai agr aap mein itni himat hai na to in kitabon mein jo likha hai usey yeha laga do INSHALLAH AZAWAJAL aap ko jawab diya jaye ga,beyshtar jawabat to islamimehfil par hi moujodd hain.

 

janab aap nein is phumlet par koi baat nahi ki kia main maan lo k deobandi mazhab waqai mein gustakh mazhab hai ????

 

 

 

 

 

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Qadri Attari Sab,

 

Shayad post ko appnay sahi nahe para, app nay b book scan kardi aur mainy b books batadi aur faisal AWAM par chor diya, ap par nahe. App logo tou khud books lekhtain hain wo munkar be jatain ha, example kay tor par aik email scan post ha. tumhar aik alam nay en books ka inkar kia ha, jabkay baki en books ka mustanand honay ki gawahi dyrahain ha.

 

SHAM AT ALL YOU BARELVi

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Qadri Attari Sab,

 

Shayad post ko appnay sahi nahe para, app nay b book scan kardi aur mainy b books batadi aur faisal AWAM par chor diya, ap par nahe. App logo tou khud books lekhtain hain wo munkar be jatain ha, example kay tor par aik email scan post ha. tumhar aik alam nay en books ka inkar kia ha, jabkay baki en books ka mustanand honay ki gawahi dyrahain ha.

 

SHAM AT ALL YOU BARELVi

 

wah janab aap ko yeh phumlet book nazar aata hai ???

 

janab agr is mein koi hawala ghalat hai to batao or in'aam pao 5 lakh rupey or muft umre ka ticket :D

 

baqi aap nein jo mail attach ki hai us ki mujhe samjh nai aayi.

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Qadri Attari Sab,

 

Shayad post ko appnay sahi nahe para, app nay b book scan kardi aur mainy b books batadi aur faisal AWAM par chor diya, ap par nahe. App logo tou khud books lekhtain hain wo munkar be jatain ha, example kay tor par aik email scan post ha. tumhar aik alam nay en books ka inkar kia ha, jabkay baki en books ka mustanand honay ki gawahi dyrahain ha.

 

SHAM AT ALL YOU BARELVi

 

Sharm aur ghairat kin hazrat mein na'paid hai ye tu wazeh nazar aa raha hai. Apnay aap ko hi dekh lijiye aap. Mere baad wali post ka reply kar diya aap ne lekin meri post ka bhi tak koi reply nahi. Aur jo reply aap ne post kya woh bhi topic se hatt kar.

 

Ab aiye aap ke post kiye huway image ko dekhtay hain. Awwal tu ye bataiye ke aap ke nazdeek mustanadd baat kisi Mufti ya Aalim ki hogi ya phir awaam ki? Chaliye aap ko agar confusion tu jaa kar apnay kisi Deobandi Mufti se hi pooch lijiye ke aisay masail mein kis ki baat mutabirr, jawab aap ko waha se bhi yehi milay ga ke Mufti ya Alim ka qoul qubool karein.

 

So kehnay ka maqsad ye ke infiraadi raye se kuch sabit nahi hota. Agar iss tarah ke infiraadi qoul ko hi fatwa samajh liye tu phir tu mere paas deobandiyo ke kaafi lateefay jama hain, kahein tu post karo? Haa aap ke paas agar kisi Sunni Mufti ya Alim ka iss tarah ka qoul hai tu zaroor paish kijiye, basoorat-e-deegar ye chichooray scans dikhanay se kuch sabit nahi hona.

 

Aur aap ka tu scan bhi mujhay mashkook lag raha hai. Scan mein jo sahab jawab de rahay hain unn ka naam dikh raha hai "Riaz Shahid", jab ke sawal kya gaya tha kisi "Dear Rashid Sab" se. Mazeed ye ke aankhein khool kar dhekien tu "Yahoo Mail" ke side panel mein se koi bhi box selected nahi and thats not possible because when you read, you gotta go in the Inbox/Drafts/Sent or wherever the mail is located, and in the snapshot none of the folders are sleceted :). Check the snaps below

 

 

 

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Now take a look how a real snapshot looks like ;)

 

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Hope you can see the difference here

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Jinab Barelvi sab,

 

okay you mentioned that my post is not related to the topic, do you confirm me that these books FAwady-faridiya, Diwan-e-Mohammadi & third mentioned book are not from your scholar, if not then i start new topic to sure that these books from your scholare, if your answer is yes then ----------------

 

as concern to the post you have posted, Insha Allah i will reply you

 

App YAKI ROSI KA PAGE SCAN POST KARDAIN ummed ha you will do it

 

pls reply me about above books then i will proceed.

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Jinab Barelvi sab,

 

okay you mentioned that my post is not related to the topic, do you confirm me that these books FAwady-faridiya, Diwan-e-Mohammadi & third mentioned book are not from your scholar, if not then i start new topic to sure that these books from your scholare, if your answer is yes then ----------------

 

as concern to the post you have posted, Insha Allah i will reply you

 

App YAKI ROSI KA PAGE SCAN POST KARDAIN ummed ha you will do it

 

pls reply me about above books then i will proceed.

 

Janab aap ne pehlay tu Fuzla-e-Deoband ki kitabo ki list bata di, ke inn mein Barelwiyo ki gustakhiya dekh li jaye, mein ne jawaban kaha ke inn mein se kafi kutb ka tu jawab kitabi shikal mein market mein dastyaab hai. Phir mein ne aap ki asaani ke liye aik aur tajweez paish kar di aap ne jin kutb ka naam likha hai, iss mein se aap ko Barelwiyo ki jo sab se bari gustakhi lagti hai ussay yaha post kar dein aur hum se jawab lein lay.

 

Aap ne meri post ka jawab dene ke bajaye Qadri Attari bhai ki post ka jawab dya woh bhi ajab rangeela kism ka. Usooli tour per tu aap ko chahiye tha ke aap meri post ke reply mein inn kutb se humari sab se bari gustakhi yaha post kar dete, lekin ye aap se na huwa. Shayad iss liye ke aap ne khud ye kitabein poori tarah se nahi parhien ya phir aap ko darr hai ke kahi aiteraaz kar ke aap ki durgatt na ban jaye.

 

Ab aap aik naya mamlaa utha kar Fawaid-e-Fareedia aur Diwan-e-Muhammadi waghaira per aa gaye. Chaliye yaha bhi aap ki tasalli ka saman kiye dete hain. Pehlay tu aap ke apnay 2 numberi jhootay khabees mullay Rab Nawaz Manfi ka hi qoul naql kiye deta hun, mumkin hai ye thappar ta'qayamat aap ke munh ko surkh rakhay ga.

 

Aap ko agar ye audio jaali ya jhooti lagti tu forun se bataiye takay hum aap ke bhai deobanddefender ko jootay maraein kyu ke ye audio aik youtube ki video se extract ki gai hai jo aap ke deobanddefender hi nay youtube per saja kar lagai hai.

 

Mazeed ye ke Fawaid-e-Fareedia aur iss tarah ki doosri kitabo ka humaray Ulema ne khul kar kitabo mein bhi radd kya hai, yaha mein sirf chota sa hawala de raha hun,

 

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Aur ghaliban iss per shayad Ala Hazrat ka fatwa bhi mojoud hai, (ia) koi bhai jald hi woh bhi faraham kar dein gay.

 

 

Yak'rozi ka scan aap ne manga tha ye lijiye;

 

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Aur aap ne Fawaid-e-Fareedia ke baad Diwan-e-Muhammadi ka bhi zikr kya hai aur kisi teesri kitaab ka bhi kaha jis ka naam mujhay iss thread mein tu kahi nazar nahi aa raha, dobara likh dijiye zara. Aur Diwan-e-Muhammadi per aap ko aiteraaz kya hai woh bhi likh dete tu aur asani hoti. Filhaal tu Ghazali-e-Zama Hazrat Allama Moulana Syed Ahmed Saeed Shah Kazmi (ra) ka jawab parh lijiye.

 

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Allama Saeed Ahmed Qadri ki kitab "Raza Khani Mazhab" ka bhi aap ne naam dya tha. Tu uss ka jawab yaha parh lijiye ga tafseel se, Khalil Rana Sahib ki post # 17 mein;
 

Allama Saeed Ahmed Qadri (Sabiqa Deobandi) ki Kitab Ka Radd


Allama Saeed Ahmed Qadri jo ke deobandi ganday mazhab per lanat bhaij kar ab Alhumdulillah Sunni ban chukay hain, un ki taqreer bhi sun lijiye ga iss link per.


Allama Saeed Ahmed Qadri (Sabiqa Deobandi) Ki Taqreer



Abhi itnay se kaam chalaiye, baqi jootay aap ko baad mein maroo ga...

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Syberite Sab:

 

many thanks to you that have post the page but pls pos this page in urdu mujy farsi nahe ati, i hope you will do this.

 

pls reply me

1) Jo Alfaz Shah Ismeil Shahid nay kahay kia aisa khany say insan Kafir hojata ha

2) Agar koe aisay iman walay ko kafir na kahe tou kia wo muslam rahay ga

 

3) Fawadi farida ko app nay kuffriya Kalma kaha ha, kia jo Allam es book ko mustanan/moutbar janay aur write ko Allah ka Wali like words

use kary then kia wo musalman hoga.

4) jo insan above Alam jo Fawaday faridia ko mustanand kahta us ko allam jany kia wo insan be Kafir hoga, ( i mean if Allam A said tht Fawaday Faridiya is good book and you said allam A is moutabr allam then you will remian muslim.

 

Apki tamam batoon ka RAD ulma deoband ki kitab Ebaraty Ekabar main ha, study this shayad App ki Kismat main Allah nay hadayat lekhi ho.

 

hope your reply will be only to the point i mean yes or not

 

thanks

bella

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Syberite Sab:

many thanks to you that have post the page but pls pos this page in urdu mujyfarsi nahe ati, i hope you will do this.

pls reply me
1) Jo Alfaz Shah Ismeil nay kahay kia aisa khany say insan Kafir hojata ha
2) Agar koe aisay iman walay ko kafir na kahe tou kia wo muslam rahay ga

3) Fawadi farida ko app nay kuffriya Kalma kaha ha, kia jo Allam es book komustanan/moutbar janay aur write ko Allah ka Wali like words
use kary then kia wo musalman hoga.
4) jo insan above Alam jo Fawaday faridia ko mustanand kahta us koallam jany kia wo insan be Kafir hoga, ( i mean if Allam A said tht FawadayFaridiya is good book and you said allam A is moutabr allam then you willremian muslim.

Apki tamam batoon ka RAD ulma deoband ki kitab Ebaraty Ekabar main ha, studythis shayad App ki Kismat main Allah nay hadayat lekhi ho.

hope your reply will be only to the point i mean yes or not

thanks
bella


First of all, you asked me for the scan image of the book, now you should know that this book is written in Farsi by the author. So basically you've been provided with what you've asked for. Lets just say, move yourgood-for-nothing-retarded-self and try some Deobandi scholar for the translation.

1) Jo aqeeda Ismail Dehalvi ne likha woh kufriya hai.

2) Agar aisay kufriya aqeeda rakhnay walay ke aqeeday per waqif ho kar bhi koi usay musalman samjhay tu be’shak woh khud be daira-e-islam se kharij hai.

3) Fawaid-e-Fareedia ke jawab mein aap ke munh per aap hi ke mullay Rab Nawaz Manfi ki audio clip mari. Thori ghairat paida kar ke pehlay uss ka jawab dijiye phir naya sawal kijiye ga.

4) Iss ka bhi jawab aap ko yaqeenan mil jaye ga agar aap Rab Nawaz Manfi ki audio ka jawab dein tu.

Apni pichli post mein aap ne Deewan-e-Muhammadi ka bhi naam lya tha, uss ka jawab aap ko de dya gaya. Uss per bhi kuch lab'kushai kijiye ga, warna tu phir yehi samjha jaye ga ke Deobandi kuttay aik gali mein bhoonktay hain aur jootay parnay per doosri gali ki taraf bhaag nikaltay hain.

Aap ki aik aur paish'karda kitab "Raza Khani Mazhab" ka radd aur issi kitab ke musaniff Moulana Saeed Ahmed Qadri sahab ki taqreer bhi aap ko di thi, uss per bhi aap khamoosh hain.

Apnay Sarfaraz Safdar ki Ibaraat-e-Akabir ke phattay cheethray yaha se uthana na bhooliye ga.


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 Deobandi apni sites ka ishtehaar hata kare post kiya karein warna sabiqa post ki tarah   unapprove kar di jayegi... 

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Jnab us mein aap ki websites k link thay is liay delete ki gae

links remove kr k post krain.

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Janab hanfigroup sahib,

 

Aap ka wohi ghissi pitti taweelat per mabni jawab parha, jo%

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Sir,

 

mainy post pari tou yahan post kardi, agar deoband nay jawab diya ha jitna app b unki tarah jawab dey2 takay unkay moun band hojain. many thanks islamimahfil walaoon ka hoga. maira aik dost ye post mujko bar bar sunata ha

 

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Saeedi sab,

Ap nay jawab diya Magar es main aik baat majood nahe jis tarah doeobandion (admin forum waloon) nay lekha k agar ham joth bolain then hamari wife ko Divorse (talak---- ye bat puray forum kay member jo admin main hain ki taraf say thi) pls app b kuch aisa lekh dyain k agar Saeedi nay koe baat ghalat lekh yan tarjama ghalat ki, aur agar Asharat faridiya barelion ki kitab ho tou Saeedi samyt tumam Islamimehfil admin ki bivion ko talak. Agar ap ye post nahe karain gay then doebandi kahain gay k agar sachy hain thn barelvion nay ye baat kun na kahe pls ye alfaz add kar dain. Takay main

Dosary baat: Alama sab nay Al haq al mubeen main lekha ha k doebandion say ham ko masail main ikhtalaf nahe ha, ikhtalaf sirf ibarat main ha. So it mean doeband maslak bikul darust ha agar ibarat choor di jayan ( if we ignore ibarat) pls es baat par b kuch explain kardain.

3sari baat: Alama sab nay kaha ha kay sirf wo doeband kafir hain jinhoon nay ibarat lekh wo jo en ko acha jantay hain. Baki deoband ko ham kafir nahe kahtay so Saeedi sab kiya baki deoband Ahlesunnat wal Jamat hain.

4thi baat jin person nay either barelvi, ahle hadees yan doeband hoon en ebarat ko par kar be kufar ka fatwa nahe diya tou kiya ye loog be kafir hoon gay,

pls jawab muhtasar magar jamiya ho

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Dear Saeedi,

 

I am not agree with your reply, and not satisfied due to some reason and

 

 

 

you are also forget that this post was published by Sunni Tahreek and posted by Qadri bahe it mean Qadri bahe think Sunni Tahree is good but you are not,

 

 

 

A)_____Tallak ki Shart Sunni Tahreek waloon nay lagi it mean sunni tahrik walay Ulma Ahdees say bilkil bay khabar hain, k unko bilkul pata nahe what Ahadess say.

 

 

 

Saeedi bahe jab baat iman ki ati ha tou Duniyan ka sab say dangerous zaihar b piliya jata ha Kuffar kay khany par (According to Ahmed Raza doeband duniyan k badtareen kafir ha)magar ap Tallak ka alfaz istamal karny say dar rahay ho agar ap jothay nahe then why not you are saying this.

 

 

 

SAEEDI BAHE ap nay hawala jat ghalat karny ki baat ki wo tou pahly he deoband ghalat sabat kar chukain hain lehaza ap ye baat na karain.

 

 

 

 

 

MUJY SHORT C AIK BAAT KA JAWAB DAIN, FAWAD-Y-FARIDIYA ULMA BARELVI KI BOOK HA,? aik post main aik Islamimehfil kay mutabar sahti nay kaha ha ky Fawady faridiya hamir kitab nahe tou kiya wo Paleed Yazeed ki manad hoga

 

 

 

Doeband:

 

Alama Sab nay kaha tha ki ikhtalaf sir ibarat main ha mager app kuch aur kahrahe so tell me main kiss ki baat mano ap ki yan alama sab ki.

 

 

 

App nay kaha agar kufriya ibarat par matla hony par ghair islami nahe kahta tou khud kafir hojata ha, Ismail Dahlvi ki ibarat kufriya hain Ahmed Raza Sab nay kaha aur ye b kaha k jo es ko kafir na kahay khud kafir magar phir khud kaha k dahvli ko kafir na kahan (kuch loog kahtain ha k dahlvi na touba kar li thi es liya Raza sab nay kafir nahe ka magar many bohat c book studi ki magar kissi jaga Ahmed Raza Sab nay ye nahe kaha k main esliya kafir nahe kahta k ismail nay toub kar li) tou mairy bahe agar main app ki ye baat maan loon then Ahmad Raza Sab par fatawa lag jay ga.

 

 

 

Saeed bahe app pls Qardi bahe ko reply karnay dain jis nay post ki ha app ka reply tou mujy uljan main dal raha ha

 

 

 

Main Qadri bahe say request karoon ga k please app es post ka jawab dain. Aur Talak waly elfaz must post karain taky doeband ki zuban band hoon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mr Deo bandi.

    I have read all your points which are neither new nor astonishing. You know very well that I have rectified a mistake of Qadri sb about conditional divorce. You should not insist on that.

    I have told that Divorce of Deobandi rudes is not our desire ,we wish their return to ISLAM. When we do not beleive in their marriages, then it is a vague practice to impose divorce condition on them.

    ISHARAT E FAREEDI (Maqabees ul majalis) is not written by Khawaja Ghulam Fareed. His words have been claimed to be collected by an unauthenticated person, Mr Rukn E Deen,who entered bogus letters in that book in favour of Qadianis from Khawja sb to Mirza qadiani.So that book is not authenticated book in our view.Further more Speaker or Writer of ISHARAAT, no one, is affiliated to Imam Ahmed Riza Khan Barelvi. WHEN deobandi beleive that book ISHARAAT is all by Khawaja Ghulam Fareed AND beleive that refuters of Khawja are Yezid pleed.THEN it must be concluded that Isharat e fareedi is deobandis book. OK!!!
    I have avoided a non-quranic condition of divorce. Is their any example of conditioned divorce by Sahaba Kiraam or their followers. If answer is YES, then give me reference I will follow that against Deobandi Kufriyat. Othewise avoid such NON-SUNNAT divorce sentences .
    Which references have been proved WRONG?  please ! repeat again . Just your denial is not sufficient.Do you know at which forum you are talking? Please! talk with proofs otherwise you will have to face a more shameful future.
    ALLAMA KAZMIs book is reflecting the dark beliefs of deobandis. Some KUFRs and some ZALALATs are in disputed sentences of deobandis as have been shown and proved by Eminent Allama Kazmi.If some deobandis are ignorant from those sentences then they are not KAFIRs.BUT term deobandi is specific for RUDEs and incidence of ignorants is not considered in term Deobandi .ALLAMA does not support your negative conclusions .
    YOU do not differentiate between LUZOOM and ILTEZAM. Imam Ahmed Riza proved LUZOOM E KUFR of Ismaeel dehlvi,but he did not find ILTEZAM E KUFR by Ismaeel dehlvi.Many factors constitute or refute ILTEZAM and touba is one of those.The rumour of his touba was existing as mentioned in a question of Fatawa Rasheedia, though he did not accept that.Imam Ahmed Riza did not need to mention details of ADM E ILTEZAM of Ismaeel dehlvi.
    I have written analysis of your answers and objections in detail in INPAGE which you are trying to set aside.Consequently I had to write in notepad for your availability there. Please answer my detailed analysis in this topic elaborated in INPAGE.
     I know that you will beat about the bush and will pass time by irrelevant talk but will not talk with sense about the kufriyat of your ARBAB UM MIN DOON ILLAH.

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Masha Allah (azw)

 

Jazak Allah (azw)

 

 

Saeedi bhai dua hay k Allah pak aap ko jaza-e-khair ata farmae aor aap istrah Najdiat k Qal'ay Giratay jain

 

Aameen

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