Rizwan Q

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bhai ap Naraz ho rahe hain...mene sirif ye pocha hai kay..farishaty ya Hazarat jabraeel Alaihissalm jab bashriat ka libada orh kar dunya me atay thay to kia unko bhi takleef ya dard wagera feel ho sakta tha..kia un me is taran ki salahiat thi ..kay takleef ko mehsoos kar sakeen.? ap mere is sawal per bila waja naraz ho rahe hain... Bashari'at majmoo'a heh jism aur rooh ka aap ko is ka inqaar heh, aur kia aap ko Farishtay kay Noor honay per be ihtiraaz heh ... Agar aap ko donoon per ihtiraaz nahin toh batahen kay Farishtay kee haqiqat Noor heh, jab woh Bashr ban ker aya toh kia woh sirf mera teray jesa bashr thah ya Noori be thah ... Jistera Farishtay kee zaat Noor thee, haqiqat Noor thee, lebas e bashri meh ayah ... hawaleh bot hen ... aap is qabil nahin kay itni mehnat kee jahay ... bhai me inkaar nahi kar raha....or na hi mene ye kaha hai kay muje farishaty kay noor honay per etiraz hai...me phir se koshish karta hoon kay mera sawal kia tha ap ne kaha: """Bashariat majmoo'a heh, Jism + Rooh = Bashariat aur is Bashariat meh Nooraniat be add huwi"" ye ap ne Huzoor S.A.A.W. ki takhleek bayan ki hai ok...... bhai mera sawal ye hai kay frishaty jab dunya me atay thay to unki bhi isi taran takhleeq hoti thi?? Aap meray point ko ghalat samjay hen, RasoolAllah Noor e Mujassim thay yehni Noor be thay aur Bashr be thay, RasoolAllah Khalis Noor ban ker dunya meh tashreef farma nahin huway thay, aur aap sirf Bashr ban ker dunya meh tashreef farma nahin huway thay ... balkay aap dunya meh Bashr be thay aur aap dunya meh Noor be thay ... RasoolAllah kee haqiqat Noor heh aur woh Noor e Haqiqi, puray Noor, khalis Noor hen, magar Bashr bana ker behjay gahay toh Bashr be thay, Jistera Jibraeel Noor be thah aur saath ee Bashr be thah, Noor honay say us kee Bashariat kee nafi ya ada noor ada bashr nahin keh saktay, farishta poor nOoor aur pura Bashr be heh jab bashr ban ker ahay, yeh adah idhar ada udhar nahin. Aap asool e Tafsir say waqif nahin hen is leyeh aap kay yeh likha heh: "jis se ye bat confirm ho jae jo apne oper kahi hai (na bashar thay or na poray noor thay balkay noor Majuassam thay?) yani tinoo ko apne mix kia hai Kia aap farishtay ko Noor sabat ker saktay hen, kon see ayaat heh jis meh Allah nay likha heh farishta Noor thah jis ko ham nay Bashr bana ker behja ... es'si kohi ayaat nahin, balkay ek Hadith ko mix keeya gaya jis meh faristoon ko Noor bataya gaya heh aur ayaat e Quran ko mix ker kay aqeedah bana deeya kay Farishta Noor thah jis ko Allah nay bashr bana ker behja. yani apka jawab me ye smajh sakta hoon kay:: esi koi ayat ya hadeath nahi hai jismain ye bataya gaya ho kay Huzoor. S.A.A.W. ko bashriat ka libada pehna kar dunya me bheja gaya..... balkay different ayaat or headth ko joor kar understanding nikali ja sakti hai? agar mene sahi kaha hai to plz yes or no bata deye ga Is leyeh kay neend ana, bhook lagni, chot lagna Bashariat kay leyeh heh, kabi aap nay kohi hadith peri kay farishta a raha thah aur us ka foot injured ho gaya, farishtay ko pachaas tankay lagay aur us ka emergency operation keeya gaya ... tumara damagh gaas charnay toh nahin gaya huwa nah ... kabi hadith peri kay farishta so gaya ... farishta ka khoon itna baha kay bicharay ko khoon kee botal lagahi gahi ... agar aap insaanoon meh say hotay toh insaaniat aur Bashriat ka kuch pata hota .... aur yeh woh raaz heh joh kissi ko pata nahin meh nay chalees saal jangloon kee khaaq chaani, aur 55 saal meh nay pahar ko khoda aur neechay say ek bari nayaab kitab nikli us meh yeh sab kuch likha thah kay insaan ko khoon behta heh, neend aati heh, aap baray khus kismat hen kay meh naay aap ko yeh raaz bataheh warna meh toh charge krta hoon, fees leta hoon, 25.oo pound ek 5 mint kay lesson kay ... jahalat aur stupidity kee be had hoti heh meh nay socha kay aap kay toh had'h phalang dee is leyeh meh nay be koshish ker deeh ... abay yaar bhai me is baray me Bareelvi maslak ka aqeeda pooch raha hoon....chaleen phir bata deta hoon.... Ap ne kaha kay:: Huzoor S.A.A.W. ka nend ana bhook lagna chot lagna. Bashrait kay leye hai..... ok ab un farishtoon kay baray me hamara kia aqeeda hai jo bashriat ka libada orh kar dunya me atay thay kia unko bhi nend ana bhook lagna chot lagna. Bashrait kay leye ho sakta hai?? is baray me hamara aqeeda kia hai....bas ye mera sawal tha.. Jee yeh aap ka sawal good sawal heh, meh Tafsir perh ker batahoon ga kay mufassireen nay is ka kia jawab deeya heh meh nay joh kuch biyaan keeya thah woh Tafsir say biyaan keeya thah meray zehn meh bee yahee baat aahi thee ... abh meh perh ker batahoon ga ... chaleen bohot shikriya apka Mukhtasar RasoolAllah ka Noor sab say pehlay sari makhlooq say pehlay banaya gaya is ko Haqiqat e Muhammedi kehtay, hen, RAsoolAllah kee Noorani'at haqiqat heh awal makhlooq kay lihaaz say, aur RasoolAllah kee Bashariat haqiqat heh khatam Un Nabiyeen kee hasiyat say yehni jab aap aakhiri Nabi ba hasiyat e bashr ban ker tashreef farma huway ... Agar esay samja jahay toh Nooraniat aur Bashariat donoon haqiqat hen. Meh aap ko doh munazireh recogmend kerta hoon, Maulana Shoqat Sehalvi, aur dosra Mualana Ghulam Mustafa Noori donoon kay munazireh Sadiq Kohati say huway thay Noor Bashr per, donoon nay alhamdulillah Ahadith e Sahih say is maslay ko dankay kee chot per sabat keeya thah ... Baqi meray pass time nahin ... meray pass donoon munazireh hen ... magar Mustafa Noori wala bot kharab heh agar kissi kay pass better copy ho toh upload ker deh ... bas janab jis taran hamaray muftian-e-karaam or ulma ye kehtay hain kay Huzoor S.A.A.W. ka khana pena takleef wageera mehsoos karna..insanoo ki islah kay leye tha....ab is baat ko lete hue ham kisi non muslim ko kese qayal kareengay ....hamaray Nabi S.A.A.W. ne itni takaleef or sakhtiaan jheel kar is deen-e-islam ko pheelaya?? ok eid kay baad hi mulaqaat ho sakay gi ab

Ali Bhai kuch sawalat hain point to point karr raha hoon 1. ap ne kaha kay: jistaran farishtay bashrait ka libada orrh kar dunya me atay hain or jistaran jabraeel allihissalam bashariat ka libas pehen kar dunya me aee.isi taran Huzoor S.A.A.W. bhi bishariat ka libada orh kar dunya me aee... Q. kia Farishtay or Jabreel Alissalam bashriat me dunya me atay thay unko tekleef mehsoos hoti thi?? ya wo takleef mehsoos karne ki slahiat rakhtay thay ya nahi?? 2. phir ap ne kaha: Bashariat majmoo'a heh, Jism + Rooh = Bashariat aur is Bashariat meh Nooraniat be add huwi Q. kia farishtoon or hazrat Jabreel Alisslam ka bhi yahi majmaoo’a tha? jab wo dunya me atay thay? or Quran, Headth, me istaran ka koi hawala hai? 3. ap ne kaha kay: RasoolAllah dunya meh Noor e Mujassim thay, nah Bashr thay aur nah puray Noor thay, balkay donoon thay, jistera Jibraeel alayhis salam, Noor thay magir Bashr ban ker tashreef lahay: Q. bas is baat ki wazahat chahiye kay jistaran ap ne hazrat jabrael or farishtoon ki baat ko quran or headth se sabit karr rahe hain...isi taran Huzoor S.A.A.W. kay baray me koi ayat ya headth hai??jis se ye bat confirm ho jae jo apne oper kahi hai (na bashar thay or na poray noor thay balkay noor Majuassam thay?) yani tinoo ko apne mix kia hai 4.phir apne kaha: Bashariat majmoo'a heh, Jism + Rooh = Bashariat, aur is Bashariat meh Nooraniat be add huwi toh bana Noor e Mujassim, Noorani'at + Bashariat = Noor e Mujassim {Noori-Bashr} Abh khoon baha , bhook lagi, neend ahahi, daant mubarak shaheed huway, toh yeh sab Bashariat kay huway, Noorani'at meh kuch farq nahin aya. Q. ye baat meri samjh nahi ai. bilkul bhi???? or ye baat apko kese pata hai? 5. ek jaga ap ne kaha kay: keyun kay Jibraeel Noor thay, aur Sahabah Bashr thay aur Allah nay farmaya heh kay agir farishtay hotay toh farishtay Rasool hotay, yehni jesi makhlooq wesa Rasool, abh RasoolAllah kay pass Jibraeel Rasool ban ker ahay toh phir RasoolAllah ka Noor hona lazam heh, aur RasoolAllah ka Bashr hona Sahabah kay leyeh lazam heh Q. Ali bhai 1 sawal ye hai kay jo baqi pegamber thay wo bhi kia noor thay ya basher? agar basher thay to wo bhi to Noor se mukhatib hotay thay.(Allah se) (farishtoon se) plz iska jawab dain..ye kis taran hua phir? 6. phir ap ne kaha : RasoolAllah Haqiqat meh Noor thay aur Bashariat kay Lebaas meh ba'hasiyat e Noor ban ker ahay. Khana peena rona dona, Bashariat kee sift heh Nooraniat kee nahin, RasoolAllah kee Bashariat kee zeroorat thah khana aur unnoon nay khaya ... aur Jibraeel kee Bashariat kee zeroorat thah yahee khana ... magir khanay kee ijazat bari tallah say nahin thee, agir hoti toh woh khatay be aur peetay be, RasoolAllah ko ijazat thee woh khatay be thay aur peetay be thay, sotay be thay aur rotay be thay ... Q. ali bhai me yahi to pooch raha hoon kay Huzoor S.A.A.W. jo bashriat ka libada orh kar dunya me ae iska koi suboot hai quran-o-headth se? or Rasool ko khanay penay ki ijazat di allah ne iska bhi subot de dain plz.....or agar Huzoor S.A.A.W. khana nahi khatay thay...to kia unko bhook mehsoos hoti thi? jesa kay bohot dafa faqoo ki nobat aee or Pet me pathar bandhnay paray...esa kioon hua kay pet me pathar bandhay? kia ye sirif dikhanay kay leye tha? ummat ko? kia jabreel alissalam ko bhi bhook mehsoos hoti thi? ali bhai 1 baat samjh nahi aa rahi kay Noor haqeeqat me Bashar haqeeqat me nahi..ye dono mix kese ho gaye....kioon kay 1 mufti sahab ye bhi kehtay hain kay Rasool S.A.A.W. ko khanay pene ki koi hajat nahi hoti thi.. balkay wo musalmanoo ki islah kay leye esa kartay thay....or agar ye baat kisi nonmuslim ko bataee gay to kia wo mazaq nahi uraega hamara?

thnx janab if any Question hv in my mind that so i'll ask you throug pm...i hope u'll be the share with us

thnx anwer bhai for reply bhai ap mere sawal ko samjhay nahi ....ap ne jo link deye hain os me wahabi deobandi ko exposed kia gaya hai....likin mera sawal kuch or hai..me dobara bata raha hoon... Bareelvi maslak me Jihad(Qital) ki kia ehmiat hai? ap ne jo iraq me jo Bareelvi maslak se talluq rakhnay wali tanzeem ka zikar kia hai...iski koi news paper me cutting wagera hai to plz de deye ga...kioon kay mene pehle ye name kabhi nahi suna tha iskay elawa apne jo Atta ullah Faizi buzurg ka or Fazal Mohammad Mujaddidi Rehmallah zikar kia hai...iska koi link ya book wagera provide kar dain takay mazeed detail maloom kar sakoon.....agay jawab dene kay leye mojoda doar me Ehle sunnat kia samjhtay hain kay dunya kay kis elaqay me jihad hoo raha hai agar hoo raha hai to os me apki jamat ka kitna contribution hai? kia ehle sunnat ki koi esi jamat hai jo kuffar se Qital jihad karr rahi hoo..? khulasa ye kay jihad (Qital) ki ehmait or oska empliment Ehle sunnat waljamat me kistaran hota hai? baqi meri pehle post me bhi kuch wazahat hai..

qadri bhai esa lag raha hai kay yahan debate to nahi hoo rahi balkay books per baat ki ja rahi hai...or ap ne 1 bayan sunne ka kaha hai......is per bhi tafseeli debate ho rahi thi ""Noor Mujassam"" wali thread main likin wo bhi closed kardi..... yar ham yahan debate kioon karr rahe hain....?? agar kisi ko is maslay kay baray me janna hai to seedha seedhaa Allama Ghulam Rasool Saeedi Alai rehma or Sarfaraz Khan Safdar ki books ka mutaalla karlay.....thatz enough thread bananay ki bhi koi zaroorat nahi pareegi......or jo Manazir beethay hain wo bhi gharoon ko chalay jaeen gay chutti le kar

bhai koi mujhe ye batae ga kay Bareelvi maslak me jihad (Qital) ki kia ehmiat hai meri kisi se is maamlay me debate ho rahi hai....oska kehna hai kay Bareelvi hazraat ne kabhi kuffar kay khilaf jihad (Qital) me hissa nahi lia.. or ye loog jihad ko nahi mantay..isi leye inki kisi bhi mehfil me tum chalay jaoo...wahan tumhee jihad (Qital) kay baray me kuch bhi sunne ko nahi milay ga jab kay Huzoor S.A.A.W. ka irshad hai kay jihad(QItal) qiyamat tak jare raheega..... or oska ye dawa bhi hai kay is waqt dunya me kuffar kay khilaf jahan bhi Qital hoo raha hai...os me har maslak ka manne walay shamil hain hatta kay shia bhi shamil hai Hizbullah kay name ne Israeel kay khilaf..........likin Bareelvi tumhee kaheeen nahi milag ga.....sirif jhoomta hua milay ga... is baat me kitni sadaqat hai........plz answer dain

assalamoalium thnx attari bhai ap ne jawabat dena shuru kar dia hai debate continue rakhye.....................thnx

Asslamoalikum bhai baat sajid khan, chishti qadri yar salar Raza etc ki nahi hai or baat islami mehfil ya deobandoon kay forum ki nahi hai.. baat hai dalail ki baat hai information ki muje dalail kay jawabat dalail se chahiye thay mujhee sirif ye maloom karna tha kay konsa maslak sahi hai......mene ye nahi dekha kay kon sajid khan hai ya koon Salar Raza hai...muje to information chahiye thi.....likin ap loog pata nahi koi baat ko larai ki taraf le janay ki koshish kartay hoo takay jawab na dena paray.... khair bhaioon mujhe apne sawalaat kay jawabaat bohot had tak mil chukay hain mene Noor Mujassam wali thread per bhi dekh lia wahan bhi ap logo ne larai ka bahana bana kar thread closed kardi...or yahan bhi ap jawab dene kay leye tayyar nahi...... bhai deen-e-islam me haq baat kabhi bhi istaran nahi phelti balkay sukarti hai zindagi rahi to phir mulaqaat hogi wassalam Rizwan Qadri

assalamoalikum bhai ye topic khatam ho gaya hai kia??

bhai ap Naraz kioon hoo rahe hain? me over all ki baat karr raha hoon shuru se le kar kisi bhi debate main esa hi hota hai akser......... khair bhai muje dono taraf se 1 baat sunnay ko mili hai kay hamaray jawabat abhi tak nahi deye gaye....to bhai 1 mashwara hai....ap ko jin dalail kay jawabat nahi milay wo ap urdu me article bana kar Question number kay sath yahan post kareen....or yahi mutaliba me unsay bhi karooga. takay baat wazeh hoo sakay kay kis kay dalail kay jawabat abhi tak nahi deye ja sakay or wo dalail kon kon se hain..... umeed hai ap bura nahi manaeegay

asal masla ye hai kay ap ukay forum ko deekh result bana rahe hain....bhai bhoool jaooo unka forum bhi hai...sirif yahan ki debate dekheen kay yahan kia hoo raha hai....wahan koi editing karee ya na kareee...asal debate yahan hoo rahi hai....yahan agar me koi paste laga raha hoon to apka faraz hai ap oska jawab dain or ap ne koi post lagai hai to os ka jawab bhi yahi per aaega ...wahan nahi.....isleye bhool jaeen kay unka forum bhi hai....plz plz bhai agar ap debate continued rakhna chahtay hain to plz wojo sajid wahabi k reply mene post keye hain unka jawab likh dain....takay debate cont. ho sakay.....or decision bhi iska yahi hooga ....warna ye confusion hameesha hi raheegi..... mene to 1 cheez dekhi hai...koi kisi kay dalail ka jawab nahi deta balkay 1 new post kar deta hai or wo daleel waheen ki waheeen reh jati hai...to kia faida ??? bhai plz point to point debate jari rakheen to meher bani hoogi ..jawab anayat kardain...shukiriyaaa

haan muje maloom hai editing hui hai......asal masla ye hai kay wo scanning bohot lambi thi book ki... abhi mene jo yahan sajid wahabi ka reply post kia hai wo apki Post # 181 tak ka hai....os kay baad kay ap logo kay reply me wahan laga chuka hoon ab plz koshish kareen kay sajid wahabi ka jawab anay tak mazeed is topic per baat na kareen takay debate ki kichri na banne paee......plz jab wahan is chisti qadri bhai ki jo last post hai wahan tak kay jawabat na ajeen jab tak koi reply na kreen is topic per plzz or bhai koshish kareen kay point to poin or short tareeqay se baat kareen pori lambi lambi scanning na kreen plz...sirif to de point baat ho... thnx Rizwan Qadri or haan ye jo mene sajid wahabi ka reply lagaya hai sirf iska jawab zaroor de deye ga to de point ok

bhai post 181 kay bad kay sunni bhaioon kay reply me wahan laga doonga.... bhai koshish kareen point to pint jawab dain itni lambi lambi scanning laganay me mushkil peesh aa rahi hai....to de point baat ho to zada sahi hai dono taraf se thnx

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bhai ye post No. 181 tak kay jawabat hain jo agaye hain

@ Toheedi Bhai......yara me Haqiaq jannay ki koshish karr raha hoon...apko ka andaza galat hai.... .... .... bohot khoob Chishti Qadri & Qadri Attari bhai apka reply wahan post ho chuka hai....

shukriya janab...me wait karooga answers ka koshish kareen kay point to point jawabat dain...takay debate sahi tareeqay se chal sakay..or jab me wahan lagaoon to koi muje ye na keh sakay kay bhai baat ko ghuma phira kar baat na karoo thnx..

aby yaar bhai paper kisi bhi examination hall me beth kar dia jae is se koi faraq nahi parta....asal masla check karne ka hai.... chahe koi wahan likhay ya yahan likhay.......hume jawab ana chahiye... is lete jawab zaroor likheen me khud wahan post karoo ga... baat inforamtion or haqaiq ki hai....yahan anay ya wahan janay ki nahi.....ap plz jawab likheen me wahan post karooga