Sybarite

  On 19/9/2009 at 3:45 AM, bella said:

Barelvi kay Ala Hazrat Imam Ash'Shah Ahmed Raza Khan kia hain wo mujy batanay ki zarurat nahe, i will try to trace these books

Matlab ke aap ne khud bhi ye books nahi parhien, kahi se scan utha kar yaha chaap dya hai bus. Aur miya jee, aap tu abhi kunway ke maindak ki manind hai. Abhi aap ne apnay deobandi mullao ki kitabein nahi parhien sahi se, abhi aap ko yehi nahi maloom ke Pir Karam Ali Shah sahib ne deobandiyo per kya fatwa dya aur kehtay hain ye na batao woh na batao.

Aur waisi bhi aap ne apnay ilmi auqaat ka muzahira yaha bhi kar diya. Aap ne jo meri post quote ki hai uss mein kahi bhi Ala Hazrat ke baray kuch nahi likha, tu phir ye baat karne ki tu koi tukk hi nahi banti. Mein ne tu post mein Ala Hazrat je baray mein kuch likha hi nahi. Mein ne tu baat ki thi Gangohi ki, aur iss Gangohi ko Ghous aap deobandi hi mantay hain. Ab aap ko jawab na soojha tu jal bhunn kar Ala Hazrat ki taraf aa gaye. Jawab na huwa kare tu khamoosh raha karein, issi mein izzat bachi rahi gi warna aisa hi tamasha banwatay rahein gay aap apna:lol:.

Kitabien trace baad mein kijiye ga pehlay zara jin hazrat ka aap ke mullay ne hawala diya hai unn ka tu ta'arruff karwaiye ke ye janab Moinuddin Ajmairi hain kaun?

  On 18/9/2009 at 12:08 PM, bud said:

1993 men mera ahad hua tha, lag bhag 15 saal se men yeh baat jaanta hun k Syedi 20 saal us Medina ki us masjid k Imam rahay kyun-k un shruu k salon men yeh baat men nay khud Shaikh Sahib ki zuban-i-mubarak se suni thi jab wo Karachi men thay.

 

Masjid ka address mujhay nahi maloom, lekin Sialkot walay Asim Ayub Bhai Saudi Arab k zamanay k murid hen unhen maloom hay wo Sialkot men gitian karatay hen jo Haq ka sacha talib hay un say pooch lay (men gustakh k kehnay par gustakhi ki bunyad par khud to kabhi nahi poochon ga--ye bay-adabi hay), lekin doosray Bhai is liay tum logon k is propaganda ka jawab nahi day rahay k Shaikh Sahib nay unhen roka hay, wo ummat men tafarqa nahi chahtay, men to Shaikh Sahib ki Roohani aulad hun un ka beta hun is liay laad or maan men apnay ilm k mutabiq jawab diay hen, doosray log adab ki waja se itni himat nahi kartay

 

Medina ki Masjid k Imam honay say barrh kar yeh baat men janta hun (Masha-Allah) or is baat ki gawahi deta hun k Shaikh Amin Sahib k sina-sharif men Medina Sharif chupa hay, un ka dil apnay Aqa Ji Muhammad-u-Rasul-Allah Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam say mila hay, jo chahay un say dil mila kar dekh lay un say dil milanay par dil men itna zabardast Ishq-i-Rasul or Adab-i-Rasul paida ho ga k wo bhi in baton ki gawahi day ga jo men nay kahi hen--yeh baten Rozay ki halat men Jumat-ul- Wida k din keh raha hun--Allah ki qasam yeh baten sach hen.

Propaganda chalanay walay jo log kehtay hen (Adab ki waja say isharatan likh raha hun) nabuwat ya Khudai ka dawa (Nauzu Billah), kala jadoo (Nauzu Billah), Qadianon jaisay aqaid (Nauzu Billah) ya doosray ghalat ilzaam or buhtan jo propaganda chalanay walay laga rahay hen, wo jo kehtay hen wo kehtay hen, men jo kehta hun wo men kehta hun phir men yeh izafa karta hun k jo jhoot bol raha ho us par Allah ki laanat ho-- Laanat-Allah-i-alal kazibeen, Laanat-Allah-i-alal kazibeen, Laanat-Allah-i-alal kazibeen. (Agar tumhen apni baton par "yaqeen" hay (jo k men janta hun k ho hi nahi sakta kyun-k tum log kahi suni par chal rahay ho) to tum bhi apnay dawon par is tarah ka izafa karo jo men nay kia takay jhootay par laanat pakki ho jaey.)

 

Shaikh Sahib or un k murid or aqeedat-mand or doosray Musalman jo Shaikh Sahib say aman or salamti men hen, Allah un par Raham karay-- Inna Rahmat-Allah-i-qareeb-u-min-al-muhsineen, Inna Rahmat-Allah-i-qareeb-u-min-al-muhsineen, Inna Rahmat-Allah-i-qareeb-u-min-al-muhsineen. (Shaikh Sahib ki shafqat or Jummatul Wida k hawalay say positive note par khatam kar raha hun sachay Musalmanon k liay.--Burhan bin Tahir)

Miya jee itnay bari bari jazbaat se bharpoor posts karne se siyaasi maidaan mein shayad koi kaamyaabi ho magar yaha koi faida nahi. Aap ko waqai agar lagta hai ke yaha koi jhoota propoganda ho raha hai ya koi ghalat ilzaam lagaya jaa raha hai tu phir un topics per jaa kar unn aiterazaat ko saboot-o-dalail se jhoota sabit kijiye.

Ab ya na kahiye ga ke Sheikh jee ne mana kiya hai. Agar mana kya hai tu phir itna bhi kyu bool rahe hain? Ya tu khamooshi se Sheikh jee ke doosray mureedo ki tarah palloo mein munh chapye bethein rahein ya phir jawab dein. Iss tarah ki jazbaati post tu mein ne Qadiyaniyo ki bari parhi hain. Aur iss mein bura maan'nay wali koi baat bhi nahi. Aap ke baap per koi agar jhoota ilzaam lagaye tu aap ko haqq hai ke aap uss ilzaam ko jhoota sabit karne ke liye qadam uthaye, lekin bewaoo ke se andaaz mein duhaiyaa dene se tu kuch nahi hona!

Ab shabaash jaldi se jis laad or maan ke bal per aap ne itna kuch likh dya, ussi laad aur maan ke ball per uss Sialkoti janab se uss Masjid ka address bhi le lijiye. Aur iss mein koi be'adabi nahi, na shara'ee lihaaz se aur na dunyawi lihaaz se. Umeed hai ke jawab jald aye ga.

Jab Deobandiyo ka Ghous-ul-Azam Gangohi terha tu yaqeenan ye Ajmairi bhi koi ghar ka hi hoga. Janab al'bella ya lasbela ya jo bhi hain.. zara tafseel se in hazrat ka tau'ruff karwa saktay hain aap?

  On 5/9/2009 at 10:00 AM, bella said:

ULmaBarevi Shah Ismail ko kafir kun nahe kahtay, mainy jitna be boebandbarelvi ikhtalaf study kia ha barelvi ko masail main deoband sayikhtalaf nahe sirf ibarat ko boora kaha gia ha, jab kay mainy fiqa mainstudy kia ha jabtak insam kud kuffar ka ilan na karday wo kafir nahe imean agar aik ibarat ka matlab 99 kufir ki taraf jata aur 1 ka matlabacha ha then ham acha matlab he lain gay. jo ibarat Ulma barlvi doebandpar lagatain hain es bohat c ibarat doeband barelvi ulma par lagatayhain tou kia ham kam ilam waly kia samjain k doono ghalat hain. barelviulma apni ibarat ka matlab bohat acha nikaltay hain aur doeband b.

 

Some one tell me hum jahain to kidar jain. kon galat ha ko sahi kuch samah nahe ata.

 

aiktaraf Barelvi ulma kahtain hain k doband nay ahmed raza khan ki tarifkia aur dossari taraf Peer mahr ali, karam ali aur bohat say alam hainjo doeband kay akabar

ko wali kamal kahtain hain. kisi nay amkanykazab k mutalak Saeen Tawakal say rahy talab ki to saeen sab nay touyahan tak hadia K RASHID AHMED GONGOHE KA KALAM ARSH KAY SAYE TALAY CHALTA HA. Ahmed Raza sab nay RAshid ahmed Gungohe aur Qasim ali nanootavi ko wali lekha ha.

 

sotell me ye sab kia ha. ham kun apna waqat waist karahay hain. jahandekho masail par koe bahas nahe only ibarat jis par kufir ka fatawa blagana mushkal ha.

 

tell me why Ahmed raza did not call shahismail kafir even write in all books that, ismail ko kafir na kaho,this is right path aur esmain he salamati ha. what is this

Aap ki iss gich'pich khichri'numa post ko pehlay mein apnay tour number'waar likhta hun, kahi kuch ghalat ho tu bata dijiye ga.

1. Ulema-e-Ahle'Sunnat Barelwi Ismail Dehalvi ko Kafir nahi kethay, aur Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan ne Ismail Dehalvi ko kafir kehnay se mana kiya. Iss per aap ne sawal qaim kiya hai "What is this".

2.Aap ne jitnay bhi Barelwi/Deobandi ikhtilafaat ko dekha tu waha masailmein ikhtilaaf nahi balkay sirf ibaraato ko bura kaha gaya hai.

3. Aik ibarat ke agar 99 maani ghalat ho ya kufr ki janib jatay hun aur 1 sahi ho tu humein sahi wala qoul lein gay.

4.Ulema-e-Ahle'Sunnat Barelwi Deobandiyo ki jaisi ibaratoo ko paish karke aiteraaz kartay hain, Ulema-e-Deoband bhi aisay hi ibaratein paishkar ke Ulema-e-Ahle'Sunnat Barelwi per aiteraaz kartay hain. Deobandibhi apni ibaraato ki taweel paish kartay hain aur Barelwi hazrat bhi.Tu hum kam'ilm walay kya dono ko ghalat samjhein?

5. Aik tarafBarelwi hazrat kehtay hain ke Deobandiyo ne bhi Ala Hazrat ki tareefki, doosri taraf Peer Mehr Ali Shah, Pir Karam Ali Shah aur bohut sedeegar Ulema ne Deobandi Akabireen ko Wali-e-Kamil kaha.

6.Imkan-e-Kazb ke baray mein Saee Tawakkal se raye talab ki gai tu SaeeSahib ne yaha tak keh dya ke Rashid Ahmed ka qalam arsh ke saye talaychalta hai.

7. Ala Hazrat ne Rashid Gangohi aur Qasim Nanotwi ko WALI likha.

Ye hai aap ki poori post ka khulasa, agar kuch reh gaya ho tu bata dijiye ga.

Ab aiye jawabaat ki taraf;

1. AlaHazrat ne IsmailDehalvi ki kutb se be’shumaar kufriya aqaid-o-ibaraatko naql kar ke unhay kufr qaraar diya lekin Ismail Dehalvi toubah kaqoul mashoor honay ki bina per takfir na farmai. Lekin Rashid Gangohika qoul hai ke toubah nahi ki thi, so agar Rashid Gangohi ke qoul kolya jaye to takfir lazim aur taubah ke qoul kolya jaye tu maamla doosrahai. Beher’haal woh ibaratein jo Ismail Dehalvi ne likhi wohbe’shak-o-shubah Kufr hain.

2. Ahle’Sunnah Barelwi aur Deobandihazrat mein sirf ibaratoka jhagra nahi balkay sab se bara jhagraTazeem-e-Mustafa hai, deegar masail ka anbaar tu alehda. Aisi saikroocheezein hain jinhay Deobandi hazrat baghair kisi shar’aee-o-aqlidaleel ke bidat/shirk qaraar de dete hain. Aur soonay per suhaga ye kewaqtan fa’waqtan yehi tamaam bid’aat aur shirkiyaa cheezein apnay aapper halaal bhi kar lete hain. Ahle’Sunnah Halwa khaye tu haram, yekawwa khaye tu halal. Ahle’Sunnah niyaaz karein tu haraam, Gangohikahein tu Hindu kiholi/diwali ki kheer halal. Ye sab tu zimni masailhai, asal ikhtilafaat aqaid ki bunyad per hain. Woh aur baat hai keDeobandi hazrat awaam-o-khawaas mein yehi dhoka dete nazar atay hain keBarelwi / Deobandi naz’aa sirfniyaz-o-fatiha waghaira aur aisay hichootay masail per mabni hai, kyu ke agar ikhtilafaat ki asal wajehawaam ke samnay rakh di gai tu shayad Deobandiyatt kawajood hi khatamho jaye ga.

3. Bilkul baja farmaya aap ne, aur issi qaiday peramalkartay huway Ala Hazrat nay Ismail Dehalvi ki takfir nahi farmai,halan’ke Ismail Dehalvi ka kufr 70 se zyada hawalo se sabit hai lekinchoo’kay toubah kaqoul hai iss liye takfir nahi farmai. WaisayDeobandiyoo ki na’paid aqal per hairat hoti hai. Aik taraf tu AlaHazrat per ilzaam lagatay hain ke Ala Hazrat ne andha’dhund sab kokafir qaraar de dya aur phir khud hi Ismail Dehalvi ke mamlay ko paishkar ke Ala Hazrat ki ihtiyaat ka saboot bhi dete hain. Be’shak Allahbatil ke munh se bhi Haq kehalwa deta hai.

4. Youn tu aap saridunya ko dekh lijiye. Aap ko Christians bhi Muslims ki taraf keecharuchaltay hain nazar aye gay aur hawalay bhi Quran se dein gay, Qadiyanibhi Muslims ke khilaaf boltay nazar aye gay aur hawalay Quran-o-Hadithke dein gay gharz ye tu saray alam mein nazar aye ga aap ko.Lekin agaraap waqai haq ke mutalaashi hai tu ye bhi jaan jaye gay ke Christiansaur Qadiyani Quran-o-Hadith ke hawalajaat paish kartay waqt kaisikhayanaat kartay hain.

Bilkul isi tarah Yahood-o-Nasara kipaida’karda ye Deobandi jamaat bhi hum Ahle’Sunnat ki taraf aiteraazratkartay hain tu hawalajaat mein aisi hi khayanat kartay hain. Alfaazmein tehreef tu chooti baat in farebiyo ne tu poori poori kitaab garhdein jinka siray se koi wajood hi nahi. Gharz aisi bohut si misaleinhain jaha Deobandi hazrat ka makr-o-faraib saaf wazeh hai. Ab aaj kalke naye phudaktay Deobandi Rab Nawaz Hanfi ko le lijiye. Mere hisaab seya tu Rab Nawaz Hanfi ne kabhi ikhtilaafi masail per koi kitaab parhihi nahi, ya phir ye shakhs intihai darjay ka zaleel aur jhoota insaanhai.

Kuch saal pehlay issi Rab Nawaz Hanfi ne Paltalk per aikaudio session record karwaya tha jis mein jee bhar Ala Hazrat kekhilaaf ghalazat ugli thi. Iss audio mein jaha Rab Nawaz Manfi ne kaeejhoot bolay wahi aik jhoota hawala ye bhi dya ke;

(21:02)Ke aikdinasar ki namaz parhai to asar ki namaz kebaad apnay hujray mei dekhaaik mureed ne ke Hazrat namaz parh rahay hain. Tounho ne kaha hazratasar aap ne abhi parhi hai, asar ke baad ko nafil nahi hotiye kaun sinamaz hai. To Ala Hazrat ne jawab dya ke aakhiri rakat meinmujhayshehwat ka jo ghalba howa, mera azaarband toot gaya. Kyu ki 3saal ki umer meinMashallah jab shehwat ka pata tha. Lihaza kehnay lagayke uss shehwat keghalbay se khushoo mein farq aya to asar ki namaz meindobara duhra raha hon.(21:41)

Ye hurf ba’hurf wohi alfaaz hainjo Rab Nawaz Manfi ne uss audio session mein kahaye, mein ne timestampbhi de di hai. Ab aaiye aap ko asal hawala parhwaoo;

“Qaida-e-akheermein baad tashudd, saans ki harkat say meray angarkhay ka band tootgaya tha.Choon`kay namaz tashudd per khatam ho jati hai, iss waja semein ne aap se nahi kaha aur ghar jaa kar band durust kara kar apninamaz phir parh li.”

Asal hawala tu aik taraf, aik choota sasawal hai, agar aapke bus mein ho tu iss Rab Nawaz Manfi se iss kajawab zaroor laa dijiye ga;

Mera aik simple sa sawal hai RabNawaz Manfi se ke tum Deobandi azaar`band kaha bandhtay ho? Nahi matlabwaqai, tum logo ki shalwar to shayad seenay per bandhi hoti hai perazarband kaha hota ye waqai samajh nahi aa raha. Mard ko shehwat kaghulba ho tu iss ke jism mein tagaiyurr ata hai lekin ye samajh nahiaata ke aisi kaun si shehwat ho sakti hai ke jis se azaar`bandtootjaye! Ya to phir shayad deobandiyo se apna uzoo-e-khaas sambhalanahi jaata hai iss liye ussay azaar`band se baandh kar rakhtay hain.Aur to koi mumkina soorat nazar nahi aati ke jis se shehwat ke marayazaar`band toot jaye. Iss ke jawab ka mujhay waqai intizaar rahay ga keaakhir ye deo ke bandar azaar`band baandhtay kaha hain ke jaha bandhnayse shehwat ke waqt uss ke tootna mumkin ho.

Umeed hai ke Deoband ki dajl-o-faraib ki ye jhalki aap keliye kaafi hogi.

5. PirSyed Mehr Ali Shah Sahib woh hain jinho ne Gangohi ke shagird MolviHussain Ali Deobandi ko munaziray mein shikast de kar bhaga dya tha,tafseel Pir Sahab ke sawaneh Mehr-e-Munir mein parh lijiye ga. PirSahib ne sari zindagi Deobandiyo ke batil aqaid ka khull kar raddfarmaya. Aur Pir Karam Ali Shah Sahib ki janib se takfir ka tu khudDeobandiyo ko bhi iqraar hai. Hawala aap ko issi forum per mil jayega,na milay tu bata dijiye ga.

6. Issi Imkaan-e-Kazb ke baray meinGanoghi ki ibaraatein Ulema-e-Harmain ke samnay paish ki gai tu unho neKufr ka fatwa diya. Saee Tawakkul Shah Anbalwi ke iss qoul ka hawalazaroor paish kijiye ga. Agar aap hawalay mein “Anwaar-ul-Ashiqeen” kahawala dena chahtay tu ye kitaab Saee sahib ki hai hi nahi. Doosra yeke Saee Tawakull Shah Sahib ka intiqaal 1315 hijri mein huwa, tab taktu Hassam’ul’Harmain bhi shaya na huwi thi. Saee Tawakkull Shah Sahibke intiqaal ke 10 saal baad Hassam-ul-Harmain per Ulema-e-Harmayn kitasdeeqat raqm huwi. Matlab ye ke uss se pehlay tu Ulema-e-Deoband kikufriya ibarato ka tu awaam ko sahi se maloom hi nahi tha, aisi sooratmein agar kisi nay aisa tareefi qoul keh bhi dya tu woh hujjat nahi.

7.Aap ne likha ke Ala Hazrat ne Gangohi aur Nanotwi ko Wali likha hai tubaraye’mehrbaani iss ka hawala bhi de dijiye ab, takay iss ka bhi jawabdiya jaa sakay. Mein tu aaj pehli baar ye sun raha hun.

Umeed hai ke jawab tassali'bakhsh hongay. Agar koi baat reh gai ho tu bata dijiye ga, uss ka bhi jawa mil jaye ga.

Bella,

Mere khayal mein ya tu aap ko Urdu parhna nahi aati ya phir aap apnay sawalaat ke jawabaat jaan boojh kar nazar'andaaz kar rahay hain. Aik baar thanday dil se aankhein khool kar Ya Mohammadah aur Toheedi bhai ki posts ko parhiye. Aap ki asaani ke liye tafseel Roman Urdu mein likhay deta hun.

Sab se pehlay tu Toheedi bhai ne aap ke sawal ka jawab dete huway bataya ke Shah Waliullah ko Allama Molana Umer Acharvi (Rehmatullahe Allaihe) ne kahi bhi"Gustakh" nahi likha. Khud aap apne paish'karda tamam scans ghour se parhein waha tafseelan bayan kiya gaya hai ke Shah Waliullah "Wahabiyat" se mutasirr ho gaye thay. Ab raha sawal ye ke ye baat theek hai ya nahi tu iss ki tafseel bhi aap ko Ya Mohammadah aur Toheedi bhai ki posts mein dikhai nahi di ya phir aap ne shayad parhne ki toufiq hi nahi ki. Mulahiza kijiye;

"Asal mein Shah Waliullah ke mutaliqq Wahabiya ki taraf melaan ki ghalat'fehmi, Shah Sahib ki taraf mansoob kitabo ki wajeh si thi."

Yaha wazeh tour per aap ko batla diya gaya ke Shah Waliullah ke mutaliqq jo Wahabiyat ki taraf melaan ka gumaan tha woh ghalat’fehmi ki bina per tha aur iss ghalat’fehmi ki bunyaad woh man’gharat aur tehreef’shuda kitabein thi jo Shah sahib se mansoob ki gai. Inn man’gharat kitabo aur tehreef ka zikr aap ko Ya Mohammadah bhai ki post mein mil jaye, hatta ke Shah Rafiuddin ke nawasay Moulana Zaheeruddin Syed Ahmed ka aik qoul bhi naql kiya gaya hai;

"Aaj kal maaz logo naybaaz tasaneef ko iss khandaan ki janib mansoob kar diya aur dar’haqeeqat woh tasaneef iss mein say kisi ki nahi aur baaz logo ne jo in tasaneef mein apnay aqeeday ke khilaaf baat paee tu iss per haashiya jara aur mouqa paya tu ibarat ko tagaiyurr-o-tabdeel kar diya."

Naiz Ya Mohammadah bhai ki post mein aap ko Moulana Shah Abul Hasan Zaid Farooqi sahib ka ye qoul bhi nazar aa jaye ga;

"Afsoos hai Moulana Ismail ke peerwan iss kaam (tehreef) mein bohut aagay barh gaye hain. Hazrat Shah Waliullah, Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz ki tehreeraat-o-maktobaat, Hazrat Shah Abdul Qadir ka tarjuma-e-Quran aur unn ki kitabein, Hazrat Mujaddid Alf-e-Sani,un ki aulaad Hazrat Ghulam Ali, Hazrat Shah Ilmullah Raye’Bareilwi ke ihwaal mein khoob hi tehreef kar ke Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab Najdi aur Molvi Ismail Dehalvi ka humnawa sab ko qaraar diya hai. Allah Ta’la iss kitaab “Al’Qoul ul’Jali”ko inn logo se mehfooz rakhay."

Ab chaliye aap ne Ya Mohammadah bhai ki post ko parhne ki zehmat na ki, hum ne kuch na kaha ke shayad woh aap ki ilmi auqaat se kuch zyada thi. Lekin phir Toheedi bhai ke seedhay aur salees khulasay ko parh karbhi aap “mein na mano ga” ki ratt lagaye bethay hain tu ye tu siwaye typicaldeobandi/wahabi be’ghairati ke aur kuch nahi. Khair humaray liye ye bhi kuch naya nahi.

Tu janab ab Miqyaas-e-Hanafiyat per aap ko jo aiteraaz tha usska jawab tu tafseeli tour pe de dya gaya ke Shah Waliullah ke baray mein Ulema-o-Awaam ke iss tarah ke gumaan, tehreef’shuda aur man’gharat kitaboo ki wajeh se paida karda ghalat’fehmi ki bina per tha. Itmaam­-e-hujjat ke tour per Toheedi bhai ki post mein ye alfaaz kafi wazeh tour per likhay nazar aatay hain;

“Shah Waliullah ke mutalliqq puranay jitnay bhi nazriyaat aur aa’raa thein woh sab mustaradd hochukien.”

Ab tak aap paish’karda tamaam jawabaat ke baad aik hi raag alaaptay aa rahay hain ke mein fala ki nahi fala ki baat kar raha hun, tu janab baat aap ne Shah Waliullah ki thi, aur jawab bhi aap ko Shah Waliullah ke baray mein hi diya gaya hai. Bus zara aankhein khool kar parhnay ki zehmat ki hoti tu mujhay ye post bhi na karni parti.

Mazeed aap Kanzul’Imaan aur deegar tarajim ke taqabuli jaizay per bhi kaafi jalay bhunnay nazar aatay hain, jab ke iss ka bhi jawab aap ko Ya Mohammadah bhai de chukay. Mein aap ke liye Roman Urdu mein likhay deta hun, shayad kuch ifaqa ho.

Ye uzr tasleem kartay hain ke Shah Waliullah, Shah Rafiuddin, Shah Abdul Qadri waghaira ke choo’kayghair’muqallideen qareeb rahay jis ki wajeh se baaz kutb (tarajim-e-Quran waghaira) mein mazmoon tabdeel kar ke chapwanay mein woh kamyaab howay…

Ab jo un Tarajim-e-Quran mein khaamiyaa bayan ki gai woh mumkina tour per inhi tehreefaat-o-tagaiyurraat ka nateeja ho sakti hain jin katafseeli zikr mein kar chukka aur jis ki gawahi khud Shah sahib ke khandaan semilti hai.

Umeed hai ke ab aap iss deobandi/wahabi hatt'dhamri ka bharpoor muzahira karne se guraiz karein gay, kyu ke itna waqt tu kisi ke paas bhi nahi ke aap ka bhaija khool kar uss mein baat bithai jaye. Aur waisay bhi khuda jab deen tu aqlein bhi cheen leta hai.

  On 18/9/2009 at 9:29 AM, bella said:

Barelvion ki gustakhian,

 

dear reader agar app barelvion ki gustakhian jo Ambia AS, Wali Allah etc ki shan main ki hain then app following books ka matalia karain, faisala app par chorta hoon kay GUSTAKHAY RASOOL SA KON, deoabd yan barevli

 

1)- Gustakhay Rasool SA kon

 

2) barta ja sharmata ja

 

3) damaka

 

4) Barelvi fitnay k nia roop

 

5) Raza khani mazab jild1,2 & 3 by Moulana Saeed Ahmed Qadri

 

6) Bidate aur bidati by Moulan Sarfraz Safdar

 

7) paglon ki kahani

 

8) tarma kinzul iman ka taqub

 

There are also many others books, you can read all these books on Alhe Sunnat wal Jammat

 

 

Janab ye ghissi pitti kitaboo ke naam humein na hi ginwaiye tu acha hai. Jitni kitaboo ke aap ne naam diye un mein se baish'tar ka tu baqaida kitabi shikal mein radd mein khud parh chuka hun. Aur sab se bara lateefa tu ye ke jo aap ne "Raza khani mazab jild1,2 & 3 by Moulana Saeed Ahmed Qadri" ka zikr kya tu bilkul aap ki tarah aap ke deobandari alim bhi jahil aur dunya se be'khabar hotay hain. Iss kitab ke musannif Janab Saeed Ahmed Qadri sahab Alhamdulillah ghaleez deobandi aqeeday se taib ho kar Sunniyat qubool kar chukay aur apni pichli tamaam likhi kitabien bhi mansookh kar chukay.

Mujhay yaqeen hai ke ab ya tu aap iss baat ko maan'nay se inkaar kar dien gay ya phir siray se jawab dene ki hi zehmat na karein gay. Chaliye jo bhi ho, humaray liye yaqeenan naya na hoga.

Aap ki asaani aur tassali ke liye aik aur paish'kash. Ab zahir hai aap ne in kitabo ke naam paish kiye hain tu khud bhi parhi hongi ye kitabein. Ab aik kaam kijiye, aap ke mutabiq inn kitaboo mein aap ko jo sab se bad'tareen gustakhi lagay woh yaha bayaan kar dijiye, takay aap ke samnay bhi aap ke chaheetay Ulema ki ilmiyatt ke kuch namoonay rakhay jaye.

Janab!!! Bohut hi la'jawab aur mudalaal andaaz hai! Allah apne Habib(saw) ke sadqay Jaza-e-Khair ata farmaye.

mere sunni bhaiyoo!

Kaafi arsay baad hazir huwa hun aur nazar bhi pari tu in hazrat per. Waisay aik baat batata chalo ke aap hazar koshish kar lein ye unn topics ko parhien ki zehmat nahi karein gay. Ye apni kism ke pehlay nahi, saray hi deobandi aisay hi hotay hain.

@iamHanafi

Haa tu janab, kuch humari bhi sun lijiye. Aap ki kuch posts parhi, sab se pehli post mein tu aap ne kisi typical jhootay deobandi ka jhoot ka pulanda utha kar paste maar diya hai aur agay jab aap ko inn bay'bunyaad ilzaamo ke jawabi topics ka link diya gaya tu aap ne unhay parhne ki zehmat bhi nahi karna chahtay. Khair jab jhoota jhoot boltay na thakay tu hum sachay jhotay ko joota martay kyu thakay?

Aap ki asaani ke liye aik behtreen paish'kash hai. Mumkin hai aap ghour farmaye gay.

Aap ne jo article paish kiya hai, wohi article aik alehda topic bana kar dobara paste kijiye aur phir bari bari aik aik kar ke tamaam ilzamaat per baat kar lijiye. Bus aik choota sa qaida zehn mein rakhiye ga ke jab tak pehla masla khatam na ho doosray ko naa chairiye ga. Ya tu aap apna ilzaam sabit kar lein ya mein uss ka radd kar loo.. uss ke baad aglay ilzaam ki taraf jaiye ga. Baqi general rulings to aap ko maloom hi hongi debates ki, na bhi tu koi masla nahi, mein waqtan' fa-waqtan zaroorat parne per aap ko batata raho ga.

Ab jalid se jawab inayat farma kar apna aur forum ke doosray members ka waqt bachaiye. Umeed hai ke aap na nahi karein gay ke!

Faizan -e- Raza brother, please remove the very first image. The symbol on the back is similar to Star of David, a Jewish Symbol, the font style is Hindi as well. Hope it doesnt offends you...

Iss zaman mein Ghazali-e-Zaman Hazrat Allama Ahmed Saeed Kazmi (Rehmatullahe Ta'la Allaihe) ka mudallal jawab hazir-e-khidmat hai.

Here are the books written in refutation of Dr. Padri.

Khatray Ki Ghanti Part 1 by Hazrat Allama Moulana Abu Dawood Sadiq Sahib

Khatray Ki Ghanti Part 2 by Hazrat Allama Moulana Abu Dawood Sadiq Sahib

Diyatul Mirat by Allama Ata Muhamamd Bindyalwi.rar

Fitna-e-Tahiri.pdf

Ilhamat aur Shaitani Wasawis By Allama Bashir Qadri.rar

Islam Mein Aurat Ki Diyat by Ghazali-e-Zama Hazrat Allama Syed Ahmed Saeed Kazmi.rar

Prof. Tahir-ul-Qadri Jawab Dein a Questionaire from Ulema of Okarah.rar

Professor Ka Naya Fitna - Tabsarra Raza-e-Mustafa.rar

Prof. Ki Maslaki wa Aiteqadi Haqeeqat by Allama Moulana Hasan Ali Razawi.doc

India:

Nabeera-e-AlaHazrat, Tajush Sharee'ah Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan Qadri

Muhaddis Kabeer Mufti Zia-ul-Mustafa Al-Aa'zmi

Hazrat Allama Mufti Muhammad Aazam

Hazrat Allama Maulana Tehseen Raza Khan Qadri

Hazrat Allama Idrees Raza Khan Qadri Hashmati

Hazrat Allama Maulana Aal-e-Rasool Hasnain Mian Nazmi Mahrehrwi

Hazrat Syed Amin Mian Barkati Mahrehrawi

Hazrat Syed Najeeb Mian Barkati Mahrehrawi

Hazrat Allama Mufti Abdul Mannan Qadiri

Hazrat Allama Syed Muhammad Siraj Azhar Sahib

Hazrat Allama Mufti Abdur Raheem Bastawi

Hazrat Allama Maulana Syed Muhammad Eesa Razavi

Mufti Muhammad Akhar Hussain Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Shoaib Qadri Razavi

Hazrat Allama Muhammad Asjad Raza Khan Qadri

Hazrat Maulana Muhammad Shahidul Qadri

Maulana Muhammad Saeed Noori Qadri

Hazrat Allama Maulana Amanat Rasool Qadri

Hazrat Allama Maulana Muhammad Ismail Jani

Hazrat Allama Qamar Raza Khan Qadri

Hazrat Allama Sibtain Raza Khan Qadri

Hazrat Allama Subhan Raza Khan Qadri

Hazrat Allama Muhammad Salman Raza Khan Qadri

Hazrat Allama Syed Jilani Muhaamid Ashraf Kachochvi

Mufti Mukarram Ahmad Naqshbandi

Maulana Abdul Hakeem Al-Azhari

Hazrat Allama Abdullah Khan Azeezi

Hazrat Allama Ashiqur Rahman Habeebi

Mufti Sher Muhammad Razavi

Muft Muhammad Bahaul Mustafa Amjadi

Mufti Shabbir Ahmed Razavi

Mufti Abdul Wajid Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Maseehuddin Chishti

Mufti Akhtar Raza Qadri Mumbai

Mufti Muslim Shamsi

Mufti Hafeezullah Naeemi

Mufti Muhammad Salim Akhtar Bilali

Hazrat Allama Yaseen Akhtar Misbahi

Allama Syed Shah Shamsul Aalam Hussaini

Hazrat Allama Syed Abdul Jaleel Rizivi

Mufti Maqbool Ahmed Qadri

Hazrat Allama Mufti Mujeeb Ashraf Qadri

Mufti Mehmood Akhtar Amjadi

Hazrat Allama Abdul Mustafa Hashmati

Hazrat Allama Maulana Gulam Rasool Noori

Hazrat Maulana Qamrul Hasan Qadri

Doctor Abdul Naeem Azizi

Mufti Badruddin Ahmad Razvi

Maulana Mumtaz Ahmed Sadeedi

Maulana Tausif Raza Qadri

Maulana Qari Tasleem Raza Qadri

Maulana Toheedul Haq Ashrafi

Maulana Zartab Raza Hashmati

Mufti Akhtar Hussain Aleemi

Mufti Shafeeq Ahmed Sharifi

Mufti Masoom Raza Khan Hashmati

Mufti Wali Muhammad Razavi

Doctor Gulama Mustafa Najmul Qadiri

Maulana Imamuddin Al Qadiri

Maulana Zafar Qadri Hamidi

Maulana Syed Kafeel Ahmed Hashmi

Maulana Sufi Abdul Karim Noori

Mufti Muhammad Hussain Raza Noori

Mufti Muhammad Amanur Rubb Rizvi

Dr. Gulam Yahya Anjum Misbahi

Mufti Dr. Amjad Raza Amjad

Mufti Muteeur Rahman Rizvi

Mufti Abdul Hanan Rizvi

Mufti Muhammad Ashfaq Hussain Naeemi

Mufti Naeemullah Khan

Mufti Wafaul Mustafa Amjadi

Hazrat Allama Syed Fakhruddin Ashrafi

Hazrat Allama Gulam Moenuddin Razavi

Mufti Shabeehul Qadiri

Mufti Muhammad Ashraf Raza Qadri

Doctor Syed Shah Ashraf Mian Mahrehrawi

Mufti Abid Hussain Rizvi

Mufti Aalamgeer Rizvi

Hazrat Maulana Shamshad Hussain Rizvi

Allama Abdur Raheem Nishtar Farooqi

Hazrat Allama Shamsul Huda Misbahi

Maulana Rahmatullah Siddiqi

Pakistan (Punjab):

Allama Syed Ahmed Saeed Kazmi

Allama Abdur Rasheed Jhangvee

Allama Ata Muhammad Bandyalvi

Allama Muhammad Abdullah Qusoori

Allama Ahsaann-ul-Haq Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Abdul Qayyoom Hazarvi

Allama Abdul Hakeem Sharf Qadri

Hazrat Maulana Abun Noor Muhammad Bashir Kotalvi

Allama Muhammad Faiz Ahmed Owaisi

Allama Shabbir Ahmed Hashmi

Hazrat Allama Mufti Mian Jameel Ahmed Razavi

Allama Muhammad Hussain Ali Melsi

Maulana Gulama Ali Okarrvi

Shaikhul Hadees Molana Gulam Rasool Razavi

Mufti Muhammad Amin Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Moeenuddin Qadri Shafaee

Shaikhul Hadees Molana Wali-un-Nabi

Mufti Muhammad Ziaullah Qadiri

Mufti Muhammad Mukhtar Ahmed

Mufti Muhammad Aslam Razavi

Mufti Gulam Rasool Sahib

Mufti Muhammad Mukhtar Ahmed

Mufti Abu Dawood Muhammad Sadiq Qadri

Allama Saeed Ahmed Asad

Allama Abdul Kareem Sultani

Allama Syed Maratib Ali Shah

Allama Ataul Mustafa Jameel

Allama Maulana Ramzan Sialwi

Allama Raza-ul-Mustafa Zareeful Qadri

Hazrat Allama Syed Irfan Shah Mash'hadi

Allama Gulam Fareed Razavi Saeedi Hazarvi

Allama Muhammad Gul Ahmed Aqeeqi

Mufti Muhammad Habeebullah

Mufti Muhammad Siddiq Hazarvi

Allama Muhammad Abdul Sattar Saeedi

Allama Muhammad Anwarul Islam Qadri Razavi

Mufti Gulam Sarwar Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Ashraf Asif Jalali

Allama Maualan Ataul Mustafa Noori

Hazrat Allama Qari Ahsanul Haq Qadri

Allama Muhammad Haneef Akhtar

Mufti Muhammad Ashfaq Qadri

Allama Abul Karam Ahmed Hussain Qasim Al-Hayderi

Mufti Abdur Razzak bathralvi

Hazrat Allama Syed Haseenuddin Shah

Allama Muhammad Mujhtarul Hasan Siddiqi

Allama Qazi Gulam Mehmood Hazarvi

Allama Maulana Mufti Noor Aalam Sahib

Hazrat Allama Khadim Hussain Razavi

Allama Muhammad Yaqoob Khan Golarrvi

Allama Mansha Tabish Qusoori

Allama Muhammad Zyaullah Qadri

Allama Muhammad Nawaz Kharal

Mufti Muhammad Isma'el

Allama Ilahi Bakhsh

Mufti Muhammad Ashrful Qadri

Allama Peer Muhammad Afzal Qadri

Mufti Aziz Ahmed Qadri

Qazi Muhammad Abdur Rehman

Hazrat Allama Fayyaz Ahmed Owais

Allama Muhammad Shareef Multani

Allama Mehmood Ahmed Razavi

Allama Muzammil Hussain Shah

Allama Muhammad Saeed Ahmed Asad

Mufti Muhammad Hussain Naeemi

Allama Khadim Hussain Razavi

Mufti Muhamamd Ashraf Asif Jalali

Mufti Muhammad Ashfaq Razavi

Pakistan (Sindh):

Nawasa-e-AlaHazrat Mufti Taqaddus Ali Khan Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Hussain Qadri (Sukkur)

Allama Ibrahimul Qadri Razavi

Allama Muhammad Shafi Okarrvi

Allama Molana Mufti Muhammad Waqaruddin

Allama Syed Shah Turabul Haq Qadri

Mufti Abdul Azeez Hanafi

Mufti Ataul Mustafa Al-Aa'zmi

Shaikhul Hadees Allama Muhammad Isma'el Razavi

Allama Kokab Noorani Okarrvi

Mufti Muhammad Ibrahim Qadiri

Mufti Gulam Sarwar Qadri

Allama Mufti Ahmed Myan Barkati

Mufti Mehboob Raza Khan Qadri

Allama Muhammad Siddiq Multani

Mufti Muhammad Qasim Yaseeni

Mufti Saeed Ahmed Qadri

Molana Muhammad Basheerul Qadri Razavi

Allama Abdul Mustafa Azhari

Allama Muhamamd Ali Qusoori

Professor Dr. Muhammad Masood Ahmed

Allama Muhamad Abdur Rasheed Samundri

Allama Muhammad Basheer Mustafavi

Allama Manzoor Ahmed Faizi

Allama Maulana Abul Qasim Qadri

Maulana Muhammad Ilyas ATTAR Qadri

Hazrat Allama Syed Shah Abdul Haq Qadri

Hazrat Allama Muhammad Younus Shakir Qadri

Allama Muhammad Mushtaq Qadri

Allama Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah

Allama Muhammad Arif Ziaee

Allama Syed Riaz Hussain Shah

Allama Shokat Hasan Raza Khan Qadri

Allama Mufti Muhammad Saqib Akhtarul Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Raheem Sikandri

Allama Maulana Aslam Raza Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Farooq Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Akmal Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Abu Bakr Qadri

Muhammad Owais Raza Qadri

Abu Hamza Allama Muhammad Younus Qadri

Allama Khalilur Rahman Chishti

Allama Muhammad Usman Ghani Qadri

Allama Muhammad Mukhtar Ashrafi

Allama Naseem Ahmed Siddiqi

Mufti Muhammad Hassan Qadri

Mufti Muhammad Asif Abdullah Qadri

Allama Maulana Gulam Ghous Baghdadi Qadri

Allama Abrar Ahmed Rahmani

Allama Muslehuddin Hashmi

Allama Muhammad Basheer Farooqi

Mufti Muhammad Noman Sheeraz Qadri

Allama Muhammad AbuBakr Talib Qadri

Mufti Muhammmad Muneer Barkati

Molana Muhammad Shehzad Turabi

South Africa:

Shaikh Abdul Hadi Al-Qadiri (South Africa)

Allama Abdul Hameed Palmer (South Africa)

Qari Muhammad Afroz Qadri (South Africa)

UK:

Sufi Muhammad Riaz Asalmi (UK)

Allama Saqib Shami (UK)

Allama Qamruz Zama Khan Aazmi (UK)

Hazrat Allama Mufti Muhammad Zahid (UK)

Allama Maulana Muhammad Mohsin (UK)

Hazrat Allama Arshad Misbahi (UK)

USA:

Maulana Manzur-ul Islam Azhari

Maulana Ghufran Ahmad Siddique

Maulana Mohsin Makki

Maulana Syed Shah Aulad Rasool Misbahi

Allama Maulana Abdur Rab Aazmi

Mufti Qamar-ul Hasan BastaviSahab

Mufti Faizan-ul Mustafa

Mufti Syed Shah Muhktar Ahmad Naeemi

Maulana Hafiz Abdul Ghani Owaisi

Allama Maulana Ghulam Zurqani

Mufti Ahmad-ul Qadri

Allama Maulana Masood Ahmad Barkati

Maulana Ghulam Subhani

Maulana Omair Abdul Ghabbar Qadri

Maulana Asif Raza Qadri

Maulana Masood Raza

Maulana Hamid Raza Amjadi

Qari Shahid Nooti Razvi

Maulana Faiz e Rasool

Mufti Hafeez-ur Rahman Qadri

Other Countries:

Shaikh Fadl ar Rahman Qadri (Madina Munawwarah)

Allama Muhammad Arif Qadri Ziaee (Madina Munawwarah)

Allama Syed Muhammad Shokat Qadri (Jeddah)

Shaikh Syed Sabahuddin Al Qadiri (Iraq)

Allama Muhammad Amir Akhlaq Qadri (Syria)

Mufti Muhammad Abbas Qadri (UAE)

Shaikh Abdul Majeed Saeed (Egypt)

Allama Muhammad Gulam Anwar Qadri (Egypt)

Allama Muhammad Hasan Al-Azhari (Egypt)

Allama Muhammad Faheem Saqlaini (Egypt)

Allama Muhammad Ibrahim Khushtar Qadri (Mauricius)

Mufti Muhammad Badrul Qadri (Holland)

Hazrat Allama Qari Kher Muhammad (Holland)

Allama Muhammad Sajjad Qadri (Holland)

Here are some audios from the most prominent Ahle'Sunnah scholars presenting their views regarding Dr. Tahir-ul-Padri. And yeah! Its ok to address him as Padri check the link for more information. I forgot to thank the person who is behind all the efforts that is my bestest friend Irfan Qadri from Madina Munawarra! Wonderful job brother!

Here Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah answers the query about calling Dr. Padri as Tahir-ul-Padri and exposes his diversion from the mainstream Ahle'Sunnah.

Here is the audio clip of Huzoor Muhadith-e-Kabeer Hazrat Allama Zia-ul-Mustafa Azmi Sahib in which he tells the detail of Dr. Padri's escape from Munazira held in South Africa.

Allama Kokab Noorani Sahib swears on Aqa-o-Moula Huzoor (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)'s Moy-e-Mubarak that Dr. Padri said that Hassam-ul-Harmain's fatawas WERE right but not viable anymore.

Syedi_fatwa_tehqeeq.mp3

Syedi_Chritians.mp3

Syedi_lafz_Padri.mp3

Muhadith_e_Kabir.mp3

Kokab_1.mp3

Kokab__2.mp3

  marhaba said:

meray signature main image put nahi ho raha kiya koi bata sakta ha k is ko put krny ka kiya method ha

Aap ka masla samajh nahi paya. Aap signature mien image daal rahi hain? Ya koi error aa raha hai? Agar tareeqa janna hai tu parh lijiye;

Go to ==> My Controls

Then go to ==> Edit Signature

Then simply upload image anywhere on internet, on any free webhosts like geocities/bravehost. I suggest photobucket, simply register and upload your image. Then simply paste the image link in Signature box. And its done.

Koi masla ho tu pooch lijiye ga.

Anti-Barelvi miya, last post mein summary hai sawalaat ki jin ka jawab dena lazim hai ab aap par. So ye bekaar ka shoor-o-ghull band kijiye. Gaaliya baknay se kuch sabit nahi hoga. Agar jawabaat nahi tu khamoosh rahiye, members khud hi samajh jaye gay

Iss baar sirf post delete kar ke warning di hai, agli baar agar iss chichooray pan ka muzahira kiya tu aap ko temporary tor pe Deoband rawana kiya jaye ga aur phir bhi na manay tu permanent. So jazbaat ko side per rakh kar jo sawalaat kiye hain unn ka jawab dijiye. Idher udher haanknay ki ab gunjaish nahi.

  Abdulsalam said:

Bhai sahib agar Roman Urdu ya Urdu main punctuation ke saath dobara likh daingye to kia qayamat aa jayegi, ya phir koi khas wajah hai na likhnye ki??

Hazrat Roman Urdu ya Urdu ke qawaid ke hisaab se jitni punctuation ka istimaal hona chahiye tha woh mein ne apni bisaat ke mutabiq kar liya, ab aap ko kahi koi ghalti nazar aati hai tu bata dein mein usay theek kar ke dobara likh deta hun. Warna mere hisaab se tu Urdu qawaid ke mutabiq uss statement mein punctuation ka sahi istimaal kiya hai.

  اقتباس

Nad-e-Alliya se aap ka aqqeda-e-Mushkil kushai hi to sabit ho ti hai, chalain aap hi bata dain ke agar main is Riwayat ko or Hazrat Ali ko mushkil kusha na manon to aap mujhye kia kahengye????

 

Pehlye is riwayat ko ghalat man lain phir doorsi riwayat ka number bhi aa jayega,

Hazrat riwayat ke sahi ya ghalat honay ko beech mein ghaseetnay se koi faida nahi, topic divert nahi honay don ga mein. Nad-e-Ali se be'shak Mushkil'kushai ka aqeeda sabit hota hai lekin iss aqeeday ki bunyaad Nad-e-Ali tu nahi hai. Bil'farz Nad-e-Ali ki riwayaat ko ghalat maan bhi lya jaye tu kya iss se Mushkil Kushai ka aqeeda bhi ghalat sabit ho jaye ga? Har'gizz nahi! Nad-e-Ali ke mustanadd ya ghair'mustanadd honay se Mushkil Kushai ke aqeeday per tu farq nahi parna, tu phir aap kaisay iss Dua ko aqaid ke zumray mein kis usool ke tehat gin rahay hain?

  اقتباس

Sawalat ke Jawabat post ker diye hain, mulahiza karain

Aap ne kitnay sawalaat ke jawab diye aur unn jawabaat mein kitni ghair'zaroori batein ghussa kar gool mool baat ki aap khud jantay hain. Lihaza woh post tu delete ho chuki aur aap ko private message ke through send bhi kardi hai takay tasheeh kar ke sahi se post karne mein aasani ho.

  اقتباس

Main ne kaha tha ke Toheed per Likhi har kitab or Shirk ke radd main likhi har kitab is ka radd hai to phir aap ka kehna ke “Humaraye nazarya ke mutabiq likhi Shirk ke radd hone ki sorrat main…” to janab agar humarye nazarya ke mutabiq ho tabhi to radd kehlayegi warna aap ke nazarya ke tehat to ye (Ma Fouq ul Asbab ke tehahat mangna) Shirk hi nahin. Aap ke nazdeek to shirk sirf Butoon ya ghair jandar se amngnya ya Ibadat karna per hi sirf Shirk kehlata warna or Shirk –e- Khafi main mubtla rahna koi mas-ala nahin. To phir baqool aap ke humarye ulama ka radd humarye hi nazarye ke mutabiq hoga na ke aap ke.

“Humaraye nazarya ke mutabiq likhi Shirk ke radd hone ki sorrat main…”

Ye baat mein ne iss pooray topic mein kab aur kaha likh di? Mein apni sari posts dobara check karli kahi bhi nahi mili ye baat! Tauheed per mabni aur shirk ke radd mein likhi har kitaab ke jawab mein tu mein ne ye baat kahi hi nahi, aap na'janay kis ki post mere sarr thoop rahay hain. Aap pehlay meri posts ko dhiyaan se parhiye phir reply karein.

Aap ne ye baat youn start ki thi;

  Abdulsalam said:

Janab Jesa ke main ne kaha tha ke Toheed per mabni har kitab is ka RADD hai, Murdon se waseela ke RADD main pesh ki gai har kitab is ka RADD hai ab aap ko our kis mustanid hawalye ki zaroorat hai

Tu iss ke jawab mein ne aap se kaha tha;

Tauheed per mabni her kitaab ya Wahabi-sakhta tauheed per mabni her kitaab jis ke hisaab se siwaye Wahabiyo ke tamaam agli pichli ummat mushrik teharti hai? Tauheed per tu Iblis ka bhi yaqeen hai bilkul aap ki tarah!

Aur ab jo mantak aap paish kar rahay hain ke aap humara radd apnay nazariye aur apni kutb se karein gay tu matlab kal ko qadiani agar apnay nazariye aur apni kutb se aap ko ghalat sabit kare ga tu aap unn qadianiyo ki daleel ko bhi qubool kar lein gay? Apnay nazriyat ko pehlay sahi tu sabit kijiye phir radd karne ki bari aye gi.

Aap ko agar radd karna hai tu Quran-o-Hadith se radd kijiye, ya Aqwal-e-Aimma se ghalat sabit kijiye. Aap ke ghar ke mullay Quran ke kya maani ghartay hain, hadith ke kya mafhoom lete hain iss se humein kya lena dena? Apnay mullao ke nazriyatt ko hum per musallat karna radd nahi balkay hatt'dharmi kehlaye ga. Aap ke munaazir hazrat munaziray mein kya tamaam hawalaat Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi aur Ibn Taymiyya se dete hain?

  اقتباس

Baat agar nagawar na guzrye to guzarish araz hai ke main ne aayena dikha diya hai lakin har koi khofzada hai jhoot ka chehra dekhnye se. lehaza koi amal sirf is waja se nahin karna chahiye ke is per aap ke ulama ka amal hai, un se ghalati bhi ho sakti hai, lehaza amal ki sanad dhoondhye, us ka makhaz maloom karain, tehqeeq karain, sirf taqleedan is per amal pera nah on

Hazrat mein do took, seedhi baatein karne ka aadi hun, mujh se ye siyaasi andaaz mein taqreer na ki jati hain na suni jati hai tu baray'meherbaani in se perhaiz kijiye. Aap yaha novel likhnay nahi aye, na koi akhbaari column likh rahay hain. To the point baat karne mein pata nahi aap ko mout kyu aati hai.

  اقتباس

Ab baraye meharbani Shah Wali Ullah (RAH) ka peecha chorain or apnye amal ko dekhain, Ab main is behas (Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah (RAH) ki shakhsiyat) ko yahin khatam karta hon

Mein tu pehlay hi keh chuka ke Shah Waliullah walay mamlay ko, Nad-e-Ali ke mamlay ko iss topic mein ghaseetnay bekaar hai. Aap hi iss mamlay ko har doosray topic mein liye phir rahay hain, lihaza iss baar iss ka jawab mein yaha iss topic mein nahi do ga. Shah Waliullah walay maslay per ussi topic mein baat kartay hain.

  اقتباس

Jahan tak aapka sawal Qonoot-e-Witer main rokoo ke baad Qonoot or Hath utha ker dua mangny ke silsilye main hai to janab, Witr main rooko ke baad Dua-e-Qonoot ki koi marfoo hadith nahin hai, sab ki sab zaeef hain, han sirf hath utha kar Dua mangnye ke silsilye main Masnaf Abi Sheeba main kuch aasar miltye hain, jis ki bina per Dua-e-Qonoot main Kuch log haat uthatye hain, Aap jis qonoot ki, jo ke Rokoo ke baad parhi jati hai, ki baat kar rahye hain usye Qonoot-e-Nazla kehtye hain (Yaqeenan aap ko bhi ilm hoga), or Sunnan Abu Dawood ki riwayat ke mutabiq Hazoor e Akram ne aik maheenye main panch namazon main Qonoot-e-Nazla parhi or Sahaba Ikram ne aap ke peechye Aameen kahi (Dawood, Babul Witer, Babul Qonoot fis-slat, Hakim, Zehbi or Khazeema ne sahi kaha hai

 

Bukhari-o-Muslim ke riwayat ke mutabiq Hazoor-e-Akram kisi baddua ya dua ki soorat main Aakhri rikat main Rokoo ke baad Ounchi awaz ke saath dua kartye,

 

Bukhari, Babu-tafseer, Hadith# 4559, 4560, 4598, 6200, 6393,

Muslim, Almasajid, Bab Istijab al Qonoot, fi Jamie-as-Salat, Hadith# 675

Janab mera sawal kya hai aur aap ka jawab kya, khud hi dekh lijiye ik nazar!

Waisay jin ahadith ka ap zikr kar rahay hain unhay quote bhi kar dete tu kya baat thi!

  abuowais said:

Bhai wasay ye baat maanne ki hay ke aap logo ki zabaan bohot meethi hay...meethay meethay bhai jo theray....ZALEEL...KUTTA...AUR NA JANE KIA KIA YE SAB ALFAAZ TO AAPLOGO KO YAAD KARAI JATE HEIN..TAKAY KISI MEHFIL BOLNE SE NA BHOOL JAIN...maanna pare ga Ilyas Sahab ne bohot zabardast tarbiat di hay apne mueedon ko..baat tak karna nahi sikhaya.

Zaleel honay ke shouq mein bakwaas karne walay ko zaleel nahi tu aur kya kaha jaye? Rahi baat Huzoor-e-Akram ke mukhalifeen-o-gustaakho ke liye sakht zaban ka istimaal tu is ka saboot tu Quran-o-Hadith mein moujoud hai. Quran-o-Hadith mein aiso ko maloon aur khabees kaha gya hai hatta ke Surah al'Qalam mein gustakh-e-Rasool ko "haram'zada" kaha gaya hai. Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique per kya fatwa lagatay hain aap jinho ne Urwa bin Masood ko farmaya tha " the clitoris of Laat" (Bukhari, Ba'b ul Shuroot fil-Jihad wa al'Musalaha)?

  اقتباس

Wasay doosri sab si bari baat ye ke Masha Allah aap log waqai Jews ke liye kaam kar rahi ho...bohot zabardast jaankari hay aap ki star of david ke bare mein...puri history rati hoi hay..ye bhi yaqeenen aap ki madni course ka hissa hoga..mein is fazool ki behes mein time waste karna nahi chahata ...meray is forum mein aur bhi bohot se article hein jis ke jawab ka wait kar raha hoon...mein ne jo kehna tha keh diya samajhne wale samjh jainge...

Aap ki halat per reham bhi aa raha hai aur hansi bhi! Matlab Wahabiyat ke matwaalay ab iss tarah bacho ki tarah roye gay! Janab internet ka istimaal tu aap ko bhi aata hi hai, thori agar tehqeeq ki toufiq hoti tu ye baatein aap bhi jaan chukay hotay. Masla sirf itna hai ke Wahabiyatt ke ratay rattaye chand masail ke ilawa aap ko kuch khabar hi nahi. Iss topic ki hi misaal le lijiye, aap ne bin bulaye mehmaan ban kar iss topic mein aa kar apni ilmiyatt jhaarnay ki koshish ki aur ab jab jawab mein munh per joota para hai tu bookhla kar apni wahabiyatt ke phatay cheethray samaitnay ke liye bacho ki si harkatein kar rahay hain.

Aap her doosray mouzo per humaray maslak ke hawala'jaat paish kartay hain, aap ko bhi kaafi jaankari hai humaray maslak ki tu matlab kya aap bhi humaray liye kaam kar rahay hain? Kya humara maslak bhi aap ke course ka hissa hai? Apni khajalat mitanay ke liye ye bachkana harkatein koi faida nahi dein gien. Agli baar iss baat ka khaas khayal rakhiye ke jis mouzo per malomaat na ho uss per aap ki gandi zaban khamoosh rahay warna aisay hi tamasha banta rahay ga aap ka.

Iss topic ko aap "fuzool behes" qaraar dete hain lekin be'sharmi dekhiye ke khud hi iss topic mein kood paray. Aap ki kisi ne dawat nama tu bhaija nahi tha ke janab aiye, aa kar jawab dijiye yaha. Khud hi aap ko apnay bareek mushahiday ka muzahira karni ki masti jo yaqeenan ab fout ho chuki hogi. So ab ye kehna tu bekaar hai ke aap ko iss fuzool behes mein nahi parna. Agar ye sach hota tu aap iss topic per reply hi na kartay.

Khair ainda khayal rakhiye ga warna....

Ab finally aap se kiye gaye tamaam sawalaat ki summary. Inn sawalaat ke jawab dena ab aap ki zimay'daari hai lihaza inn sawalo se ab aur faraar mumkin nahi. Ab aap agli post tabhi iss forum per nazar aye gi jab aap in sawalaat ka jawab dete hain. Agar kisi sawalaat ka jawab dena aap ke liye mumkin nahi aur aap khud ko be'bas patay hain tu uss sawal per aiteraaf kar lijiye ke aap ke paas bolnay ko kuch aur phir aglay sawal par aa jaiye.

Jis sequence mein sawalaat kiye gaye hain koshish kar ke ussi sequence mein jawab dijiye, aur to-the-point. Bekaar ki tafseel ya topic divert karne ki koshish na'kaam hogi. Sawalaat 2 hissay mein hain. Pehlay zaroori sawalaat, phir zimni/zaili sawalaat.

Zaroori Sawalaat:

1. Tablighi Jamat ke khilaaf Saudi Grand Mufti ka fatwa aap ke samnay paish kar diya gaya. Kya iss ke radd mein aap ke paas koi mawaad hai?

2. Aap ne dawa kiya ke Tablighi Jamat ko Saudi Government ki permission hasil hai. Aap ke apnay zaati bayan ki iss forum per kya kahi bhi koi haisiyat nahi. Iss zaman mein agar saboot paish kijiye.

3. Israel Islam ka sab se bara dushman mulk jo Palestine ke musalmaano per arsay se muzalim dhaa raha hai, aam awaam, aurato aur bacho tak ko halaak kar raha hai ussi Israel ne Tablighi Jamat ko khullay aam kaam karne ki ijazat kyu de rakhi hai?

4. Israel ke Palestine per muzalim ke khilaaf ab tak waha per mojoud Tablighi Jamat ne kisi bhi kism ka ihtijaaj kyu nahi kya? Musalmaano per dhaye janay walay zulm per Israel ki Tablghi Jamat khamoosh kyu hai? Agar ihtijaaj kya hai tu uss ka saboot paish karein.

5. Aap ke hum'maslak Peer2009 ne apni post mein iqraar kiya hai ke Saudi mein Tablighi Jamat itna openly kaam nahi karti jitna doosray mumalik mein. Iss ki wajoohaat bayan karien ke Tablighi Jamat waha chup kar kyu kaam karti hai. YA phir apnay hum'maslak deobandi Peer2009 ki baat ka radd karein.

6. Iss topic ki post #14 mein Weekl Takbeer aur Daily Asaas ke hawalo ka radd kijiye. Agar ye jhoot hai tu iss jhoot ke radd mein kisi mutabirr Deobandi ka radd paish karein.

7. Islami Tareekh mein kab kaha Tablighi Jamat ke tareeqay per tabligh ki gai, jis mein ghair'alim hazrat ne tablighi ki ho. Saboot de kar sabit karein.

8. Tabligh ka jo "Awwaleen Usool" aap ne paish kiya uss ka saboot Quran-o-Hadith se paish karein. Agar ye Usool Quran-o-Hadith mein nahi tu phir kaha se liya gaya?

9. Aap ne likha ke Tablighiyo ke samaan aur hulye se saaf pata chal jata hai ke woh kaun hain. Tablighiyo ke hulye aur aam musalmaan ke hulye mein kya farq hota hai, khaas'kar jab woh ihraam bandhay hon?

10. Jis hadith ka aap ne mafhoom bayan kiya uss ka mukammal hawala dijiye.

Zimni/Zaili Sawalaat:

11. Hanafi Muslimah ki post mein "nice sharing" ko aap ne apni taraf mansoob kar liya, issi qaiday ke mutabiq aap ke hum'maslak deobandai Peer2009 ne mandarja'zail topic per Ghulam-e-Mustafa ki post ke baad "nice sharing" ka reply dya. Kya Peer2009 ki post ko Ghulam-e-Mustafa ki taraf nisbat di jaye ya Taha Ali ki taraf?

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?showtopic=6773

12. "Nice sharing" walay maamlay per aap ke hum'maslak deobandi Peer2009 ka iss qoul ko aap qubool kartay hain ya nahi? Agar nahi tu iss ka radd kijiye;

me ne kaha nice sharing .kiya ghulam msutafa ne sahring ki thi.

13. Mutalashi ke maani sirf "Haq ka Mutalashi" hi liye jaa saktay hain baqi koi nahi iss per koi daleel paish karein.

  Anti-Barelvi said:

Jnab sybarite sahib….ab jab ke mai aap ki Barelviat ko Wash Room k gatar me itna baha chukka hoo…k aur kuch baqi nahi raha .to tub bhi aap .q apni aur apni Brelviat ka tamaskhar urane pe bazid hai Khuda ki qasam.koi aur hota to…to is forum pe aana chor daita lakin aap b aala darja k be-ghairat aur be-sharam brelvi waqe howe hai..Aur inshallah isi tarah mujh se zaleel hote rahe gain………..!

Yaha mujhay kuch kehnay ki tu zaroorat hi nahi. Kis ne apnay maslak ka mazak banaya aur kaun lachar aurato ke se andaaz mein shoor'sharaba kar raha hai ye sab per wazeh hai. Ab zahir hai, jootay paray hain tu cheekhein tu niklein gi. Tu cheekhtay rahiye!

  اقتباس

Deobandi ki Barsi pe pehle hi bohat kuch keh chukka hoon………lakin tum brelvio ki Behas brae Behas k nateeja me mujhe koi khas interest nahi raha k……….mai fazool me apna waqt tum jaise Jahil logo pe sarf kro………Jin ko itna nahi pata k R.A. se sirf Razi Allah hi nahi bl ke Rehmat Ullah Bhi banta hai………..!

Miya aap tu pehlay hawalay per hi jawab nahi de pa rahay thay, ooper se aap ke sarr per doosra bomb bhi gira diya Ehtishaam-ul-Haq Thanvi ki barsi ke hawalay ki soorat mein tu aap aisay sannatay mein aye ke bus! Aur ye R.A wali baat samajh nahi aiee miya jee. Uss topic mein aap ne aiteraaz "R.A" per nahi balkay ye keh kar kiya tha;

AAp l AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALA Hazrat kab se " SAHABI" bAN GE HAI JO aaP UN K naam k baad Razi Allah Likh rahe ho?

Lagta hai joota sarr per bohut zoor se para hai, dimaagh ki saari choolein hill gai hain aap ki. Apni hi baato ka radd khud hi kar rahay hain! Aur ab uss post ko edit karne ki koshish na kijiye ga, aur tamasha banay ga!

  اقتباس

Hanafi wali baat pe apni bakwaas band kre aur……..Dheet bander ki tarah be-shak tasleem na kre……..lakin…….baat itni hai…..k…Hanafi ne bongi mari hai……….aur aap ne Hanafi k Defend k thaika le kr khud ko bhi bonga sabit kr dia hai………….Jitni taweelaat aap ne paish ki hai…….to zra btana k……..Hanafi ko dast lag ge hai……… k Who apni Safai k lea hazir nahi ho raha aur aik aap hai……..jis ne hr brelvi bander k Difa ka Thaika lia howa hai………….!

 

Hanafi aur Mutlashi wali baat me ne sirf is lea Baat krna pasand na kia……..

Miya jee, Hanafi Muslimah wali baat per tu aap ke chehray per khud aap ke bhai Peer2009 nay hi thook diya! Peer2009 ki post se munh kyu chupa rahay hain?

  peer2009 said:

saybrite sahib aap ke munafikat khul ker samne agaye h zhair he mane ge to nahi me ne kaha nice sharing.kiya ghulam msutafa ne sahring ki thi . afsos . muanfik me bralvi pehle number per he. jessy kokab norani loll.ab matem karo aap log ke woh kiya keh gaya

Ye wohi baat hai jo mein ne kahi thi aur aap ne iss daleel ko qubool nahi kya tha aur issi ko daleel bana kar aap ka deobandari bhai aap ke munh per thook raha hai. Pehlay apas mein faisla kar lijiye ke kaun si daleel qubool hai, warna sab se qawwi daleel tu yehi hai ke Hanafi Muslimah ne aap wahabiyo ke sharr se bachne ki dua ki!

Waisay aap ki jahalat ka mein qayal ho gaya. "Hanafi Muslimah" parhne ke baad bhi aap kehtay hain ke "Hanafi ko dast lag ge hai……… k Who apni Safai k lea hazir nahi ho raha". Pehlay Urdu tu seekh lijiye. Hum sunniyo mein khawateen aap ki be'ghairat auratoo ki tarah danday le kar jihaad per nikalti! Aap jaisay choohay marnay ke liye Sunni mard tu kya sunni bachay hi bohut hain. So yaha Hanafi Muslimah ka bhai hai aap jaisay chichooro ko apni auqaat yaad dilanay ke liye. Hum aap deobandariyo ki tarah auratoo ko nahi laratay jaisay aap hazrat ne Jamia Hafsa mein kya! Burqa'posh mujahid!

Ab kutta agar kahay ke mein shair hun tu shayad uss ke saathi kuttay bhi na maanein. Issi liye aap jis daleel ko qubool nahi kar rahay thay wohi daleel aap ke saathi Peer2009 ne de kar aap ke munh per joota marr diya. Ab aik taang per aap jitna chahain phudak lein ke daleel qabil-e-qubool nahi, ye nahi hai, woh nahi hai.. iss se sachai per koi farq nahi parta.

Apni baat mein agar sachay hotay tu meri daleel ka radd kartay jo aap se kya aap ki poori deobandiyatt se na ho sakay ga InshAllah!

  اقتباس

Aur Munnah ki post pta nahi kab se us forum pe mojod thi……..Meri posting se pehle to Hanafi ko Nice Sharing Kehne ki tofeeq nahi hoi………Aur jaise hi mai ne posting ki to Hanafi kO Jaise dast lagna band ho ge……… aur us ne foran Nice Sharing Ka thappa laga dia……….!

 

Hai na heart ki baat ……..Halwe k Pujari……..!

Lijiye, zaleel honay ki aur raah dhoond li aap ne.

Aray deobandari, ye tu batao ke kya tumhare forums mein har member per pabandi hai ke har topic mein forun forun reply karein? Kya tamaam members paband hain ke har topic per aik makhsoos waqt ke andar andar hi reply karien?

Hanafi Muslimah ne apni sahoolat ke mutabiq jab jee chaha post ki! Aap ki ajeeb-o-ghareeb mantak ke hisaab se dekha jaye tu "Ismail Qateel per Angraiz Doosti ka Aitraaz Ka Jawab" walay topic per aap ke deobandari Taha Ali ne post ki 3 Jan ko, aur uss per Peer2009 ne "nice sharing" ka reply dya 6 Jan ko, tu 3 din tak kya aap ke Peer2009 bhai deoband mein koi "Chaarpai Treatment" le rahay thay?

Aur mujhay koi tu usool, koi to qaida bataye ke jis se kisi member ka kafi arsay baad kisi post per reply karnay ka ye matlab ho jo aap le rahay hain. Aur agar ho sakay tu, waisay I know mushkil hai, lekin phir koshish kar ke jo points mein ne pehlay diye hain iss zaman mein uss ka tu jawab dein. Abhi tu ye chal raha hai ke aap ke aik sawal per aap ko joota parta hai tu uss ko choor kar doosra sawal le atay hain. Pehlay unn points per tu baat kar lijiye, ya tu un ko radd kijiye ya qubool. Har baar naya shoosha choorne se kya faida? Har baar naya joota parr jaye ga

  اقتباس

Aap ne Saudi Mufti ka fatwa dikha k agr sabit krne ki koshish ki hai to mai ab bhi itna hi kaho ga k Saudia me Jammat pe koi pabandi nahi aur waha pe kaam bhi ho raha hai aur Saudi Government k ilm me bhi yeh baat hai k Jamaat waha pe kaam kr rahi hai bl ke Saudi Ulema bhi Tableeghi jamaat me chal rahe hain! Ab aap ko na man’ne ki Bemaari hai To hoti rahe Apna Sir dewaar pe maraain aur Sari Dunya ko bataain Lakin Sach Sach hai aur aap ki cheekh o pukaar se kuch nahi hone wala!

 

Pakistan me Qadyanio k markaz hai….lakin who agr tableegh krte bhi hai….to intehae secret andaz me k Govt ko bhi khaber na hoon .........

Gangohi ke shouq ka nishana ban chukay hain lagta hai aap isi liye har baar aik nai kahani latay hain zaleel honay ke liye. Chaliye ye tu aap ne apni zaban se iqraar kar liya ke hum ne Saudi ke Grand Mufti ka fatwa paish kiya aur aap ke pass uss ke radd mein kuch nahi warna iss fatwa ka radd paish kar chukay hotay.

Ab ye bataiye ke hum ne tu aap ko saboot de diye. Kya aap ke paas koi saboot hai apni baat ko sabit karne ke liye? Agar koi saboot hai tu paish karein nahi tu aap ki iss tarah bacho ke se andaaz mein roonay aur shoor machanay se kuch sabit tu nahi hoga. Aap saboot paish kar dein, agar sacha huwa tu aap ki baat maan lein gay. Agar saboot nahi tu phir hum aik bawlay deobandari jis ki deobandariyo mein bhi koi auqaat nahi, matlab aap koi mashoor deobandari tu hain nahi, tu phir aap ki baat ko baghair saboot kyu maan liya jaye?

Chaliye shabaash ab roona band kijiye aur achay bacho ki tarah koshish kar ke saboot jama kijiye. Aur haa! Mummy se shikayat na kijiye ga ke forum per zaleel kartay hain loog, woh aap ki madad nahi kar sakein gi, yaha aap ki madad sirf dalail-o-saboot kar saktay hain.

Aur humara mutaliba yehi hai ke aap sabit kar dein ke Tablighi Jamat waha chup ke secret andaaz mein kaam nahi karti aur Saudi Government ko maloom hota hai ke fala masjid mein jamaat aee huwi hai aur phir bhi woh koi action nahi leti. Ab aisa tu ho nahi sakta ke aap bolein aur hum bila'tasdeeq maan lein. Aap saboot de dijiye hum aap ki baat maan lien gay. Aur apnay bhai Peer2009 ki iss baat per thori rooshni daaliye

  peer2009 said:

han iek he itan oppenly nahi hota jitna pak ma ya kaye aur hota he

Iss baat ki koi wajeh bhi bataye ke agar koi pabandi nahi tu phir itna "openly" kaam kyu nahi karti aap ki Tablighi Jamat waha? Aur yaad rakhiye ke ye statement aik deobandari ka hai!

  اقتباس

Aap ne jis Ghair Muslim ka hawala dia k who chup k Hajj aur Dosre Maqamaat ko daikh aya…To Chabal Insaan….mujhe itna bta k……Who to chup k waha se ho aya……..aur kia possible hai k….10-15 afraad jo k pakistaan se ikhatte Saudia Arabia pohnchte hai…aur jin k Hulyeh aur Samaan se saaf pta chal raha hota hai….k Tableeghi hai…...

 

Zra mulahiza ho k compare kia ja rah hai Ghair muslimo ki khufia entry ko Tableeghi jamaat ki entry k sath……..Jo k Saudia Arabia ki Embassy se bhi clear ho jate hai………aur Saudia ja kr Masjido me kam bhi krte hai……..aur aik Brelvi Bander keh raha hai k who chup chup k khufia tableegh kr rahe hai……………Lanat hai tumhari Mehdood aql pe!

Haha!! Aik aur bohut hi umda aiteraaf kar liya aap ne!

aur jin k Hulyeh aur Samaan se saaf pta chal raha hota hai………..k Tableeghi hai

Matlab aam musalmaan aur Tablighiyo ke hulya mein farq hota hai? Kya Tablighiyo ke sarr per seengh hotay hain? haha!! Matlab aik tarah se aap iqraar kar chukay ke Tablighiyo ka hulya aam musalmaano jaisa nahi hota.

Baqi jaisa ke mein pehlay keh chuka ke aap saboot paish kar dein ke Tablighi Jamat waha bilkul openly, khullam khulla bata kar ke hum Deobandari hain aur Tabligh karne aye hain keh kar jaati hai etc. Jitni baatein aap ne kahien sab apni jageh lekin inn ka saboot kaun de ga? Kya Thanvi sajab qabar phaar ke aien gay ya Gangohi Sahab chaarpai se bara'madd hon gay? Aakhir in sari baato ka saboot kaun de ga?

Tu aap ke khayal mein woh kafir Saudi Embassy se clear ho kar nahi gaya tha balkay aasman se tapka tha direct Makka Mukaramma mein? Mera mashwara hai ke woh kitab parh lijiye, uss mein uss ne poori tafseel likhi hai ke kitnay saal woh Sindh mein raha aur kis tarah Afghani Musalman ban kar Saudi Arabia mein ghussa.

  اقتباس

Ab aisi bongi pe to mai itna hi keh sakta hoo k Baita Sybrite Ab tum Behas se retire ho chuke ho aur behter ho ga k ab baqi zindagi Kisi Aastan e Aalia pe basr krne ka program bna lo……………! Tumharay Boday Dalael ab Khak me milte ja rahe hai………….!

 

Be logical for always in your pathetic & Dull life………! Ok……….?

Chaliye mere dalail ko bonga maan bhi liya jaye tu janab aap ki baato ka saboot kaha hai? Mein retirement ki fiker chooriye saboot paish karne ki fikar kijiye. Aap ke apnay deobandari ka qoul aap ke khilaaf jaa raha hai pehlay uss ki fikar karein.

Aur kyu bila'wajeh angraizi istilahaat ki taangein toor rahay hain. Nahi aati English tu koi baat nahi, iss mein kuch bura nahi. Aap Urdu mein bhi tanz kar saktay hain kisi ne rooka thori hai. Magar ye lateefa suna kar hansaana band karein!

  اقتباس

Aur jo aap farma rahe ho k mai rad me koi fatwa paish kro to jnab Jab haqeeqt samne hai k Tableeghi jamaat waha pe kaam kr rahi hai to Fatwa kia dikhana! Haqeeqt hi ko daikh lain aur maan lain warna rag alapte rahai k mai na manoo haar! Ho sakta hai kisi zamana me fatwa aya ho lakin Fatwa to aate rehte hai aur jate rehte hai! Fatwa to kisi bhi mufti ko chand paisay de k lia ja sakta hai aaj kal! Aur khair se aap k brelvi Ulema to in kamo me waise hi bohal hazrat hai Jo k aik plate Halwa pe bhi fatwa daine pe tayyar ho jate hain!

Matlab aap deobadnariyo wahabiyo ke yaha fatwo ka yehi mayaar hai ke aatay rehtay hain aur jaatay rehtay hain! Allah-o-Akbar matlab aap ke yaha sach mein mufti nahi balkay muftay paye jatay hain. Iss se bara deen ka mazaak kya hoga ke Fatwa, Islamic Verdict ko tamasha samjha huwa ke aatay rehtay hain jatay rehtay hain. Koi ba'eed aap hazrat ke yaha aqeeda bhi aisay hi aata rehta hoga, jata rehta hoga!

Aur rahi baat haqeeqat samnay honay ki tu haqeeqat paish kijiye na! Aap ne keh diya tu haqeeqat ban gai. Abhi tak aap ne kaun sa saboot paish kar diya. Sirf yehi kehtay aa rahay hain ke aisa hota hai waisa hota hai, saboot koi nahi!

Paiso per fatwa dene ki baat bhi khoob yaad dilai. Awwal tu fatwa paish kiya hai Saudi Grand Mufti Bin Baz ka, jo ke Wahabiya ka Commander in Cheif tha apnay waqt mein so uss ke yaha paisay ka tu masla hi nahi ke usay rishwat de kar fatwa likhwa liya jaye. Waisay ahista ahista aap ki ilmiyaat ka sara bhaanda phoot raha hai. Mousof Saudi Grand Mufti ko paisay khilanay ki baat kartay hain! Iss Grand Mufti ko Saudi ke Shahi Khazanay se hi itna mil jata hoga ke thookay tu aap deobandari ke mullay thook chaatnay jama ho jaye gay ke kahi koi riyaal aa jaye haath mein.

Waisay Star TV walay Fatwa Scandal ka qissa phir se duhranay ki zaroorat hai kya? Imrana Rape Case per deobandriyo ka ajeeb-o-ghareeb original fatwa moujod hai mere paas, shouq hai tu dhikao?

  اقتباس

Smjh lag gae ho gi k mai kis point ki baat kr raha hoo! Israel wale point pe! Mere aik hi sawal ka jawab na de sake aap aur aap ki munafiqat khul kr samne aagae aur phir kehte hi k:

<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Aap ke rhetorical sawal ka jawab dena zaroori nahi</H1>

 

BOHAT KHOOB! Jab aap k pas jawab hi nahi to zaroori bhi nahi k jawab dia jae…….!

Miya jee, usooli tour per tu jawab aap ne pehlay dena hai kyu ke sawal beher'haal mein ne pehlay paish kiya tha, aur aik baar bhi nahi 2 baar repeat kar chuka sawal ko. Lekin aap ki ghairat ne phir bhi josh nahi mara aur ab bhi aap jawab dene se qasir hain.

Ab aiye aap ke sawal ki taraf. Pehlay tu ye dekhiye ke aap ka sawal hai hi rhetorical. Iss ka matlab shayad aap ko samajh nahi aya hoga Rhetorical question matlab aisa sawal jis ka maqsad jawab lena nahi balkay sirf aik ta'surr paida karna ho.

Aap ka tu sawal hai "bil'farz" per pabni hai! Bil'farz aisa ho tu aap kya karein gay? Bil'farz aisa hoga tu waisa hoga ke nahi? Aur aap ke ya sawal mujh se karna tu sara'sarr be'waqoofi hai. Mein kya Dawat-e-Islami ka tan'tanha zimaydaar hun jo apni marzi se bata don ke youn hoga tu aisa karein gay? Mein agar jawaban keh don NAHI! tu aap ko tassali ho jaye gi kya? Usooli tour per tu aap ko chahiye ke Dawat-e-Islami ki website per jaa ke ye sawal post kar dein. Aik official jawab aap ko mil jaye ga jis ki base per aap agay baat bhi kar sakein gay.

Ab mein aap se aap hi ki tarah ka aik sawal karta hun lekin iss ko thanday dimaagh se sooch kar samajh kar parhiye ga.

Bil'farz agar aap walid aap ko apni hamsheera ke saath bad'kaari karne ka hukm dein aur aap ki hamsheera bhi raazi ho tu aap kya karien gay?

Ab iss per shoor'sharaba na machaiye ga. Baat sirf aap ko samjhanay ke liye ki hai aur "bil'farz" ke saath ki hai. Ye wohi "bil'farz" hai jisay ke istemaal se aap ke mullay Qasim Nanotwi ke Inkaar-e-Khatm-e-Nabuwatt ki taweelein ghartay hain.

Umeed hai aap ki baat ka jawab mil gaya, ab ye bataiye ke mere sawalo ke jawabaat kab dein gay?

Janab, agar kahein tu poori list bana do unn sawalaat ki jin ka jawab aap ne abhi tak nahi diya? Filhaal tu aap iss Israel walay mouzo per hi seedhay se sawalo ka jawab de dijiye tu hi bohut hai.

  اقتباس

Jnab aap ko kis ne keh dia k sharabio ko pakar k un se sirf gusht hi krwaya jata hai? Shab e Juma Seh Roze 40 din Aur Fazael e Aamaal ki taleem me bitha kr iislah bhi ki jati hai!

Tu janab mein ne bhi ye kab kaha ke unhay pakar kar SIRF ghasht hi karwaya jata hai? Mera tu aiteraaz ye hai ke Gasht mein unhay pakar kar unn se talqeen kyu karwaee jati hai! Pehlay unki islaah kar ke iss qabil tu banaye ke woh kisi ko talqeen karne ke layak banay!

  اقتباس

Kia tableegh aur Dawat IL LaLLah Nabiyo ka kam nahi hai………..?

 

Agr nahi to phir Tumhari Dawat r Ghair Islami kis ki ittiba me Kam kr rahi hai………? Kis Nabi ne Logo ko Allah ki taraf nahi bulaya…..? Hazoor (S.A.W) Kitni martaba Abu Jehal K daewaze pe ge………..? Kuch pta bhi hai aap ko…………k………..bus batain jharne ka shoq hai ………….?

Be'shakk Tabligh Nabiyo ka hi kaam hai. Ab ye baat kar ke kitna bura phansay hain aap iss ka aap ko andaza bhi nahi. Islam ki tareekh mein dikha dijiye ke kisi Nabi ne iss andaz mein tabligh ki ho jaisay aap ki loota'chaap tablighi jamat karti hai.

Kitnay Anbiya ne seh'roza, chillay aur 4 maheenay katay? Kitnay Anbiya ne Madni Masjid mien Shabb-e-Jumma ke naam per 1 dish party ki?

Sirf koi 1 hawala! Zyada nahi maangta mein koi aik saboot de do ke Anbiya mein se kisi ne bhi tum khabeeso ke jahilana andaaz mein tabligh ki ho. Na tumhari taleem Nabiyo wali hai na tumhara tareeqa nabiyo wala hai. Aur iss ka saboot bhi agli posts mein aa raha hai woh bhi tumhari Tablighi Jamat ke Founder ke alfaaz mein!

  اقتباس

Awwaleen asool means k basic bato me se hai k Baat krne wale ki taraf na daikho bl ke daiko k Baat kis ki ho rahi hai.Aur baat to Allah aur us k Rasool (S.A.W) Ki ho rahi hoti hai!

 

Kuch palle pra k nikal gea? Aik to hr baat ko khool khool k beyan krna parta hai in jahilo k samne!

Munh chupa kar apnay burqa'posh mujahid ki tarah bhaagiye matt! Mera sawal ye nahi ke awaleen usool ka matlab kya hai, mera sawal ye hai ke ye awwaleen usool aap ne kaha se liya? Quran se, Hadith se, Aqwal-e-Aimma se? Jaha se ye awwaleen usool lya hai woh reference qoute kar dein bus!

Aap ne khud apni guddi mere haath mein de di hai miya jee! Itni asaani se nahi chootay gi ab ye gardan

  اقتباس

Hadees ka mafhoom is lea kaha jata hai k agr hum alfaz ba alfaz wohi baat jo Hazoor (S.A.W) ne beyan ki hai…na beyan kr sake ya hum ko unhi alfaz k sath yad na ho…to phir Ahteyat ka takaza hai k hum Hadees ka mafhoom beyan kr dain…Bcoz Hazoor (S.A.W) ne us shakhs k lea waeed farmae jo k AAP (S.A.W) K farmaan k saheh biyan na krain! Aur us mafhoom me wohi baat aez ki jati hai jo k Hadees ka asl hoti hai!

Janab Hadith ka poora reference quote kijiye! Hadith hai tu kahi likhi hogi naa? Bukhari mein, Muslim mein, kahi tu likhi hogi ya phir deobandariyo ne khud hadith bhi likhna shuru kar di hai? Chaliye shabaash rooiye matt, hadith ka poora hawala dijiye takay hum bhi parh kar iss hadith se faiz hasil karein.

  اقتباس

Ab koi Sybrite ki bokhlahat mulahiza kre k jo 2 dino se sirf is baat pe uchal kood kr rah hai k Saudia me Jamaat ka dakhla momnooh hai…….aur jo apni munafiqat pe bhi be-ghairat hi raha………ab who is opinion pe aa gea hai k:

 

Pabandi ya Fatwa sahi lagaya ke nahi iss per behes nahi, filhaal behes iss per hai ke pabandi ya fatwa aya ke nahi. Hum ne sabit kar diya ke fatwa bhi aya aur aya bhi Grand Mufti ki taraf se.

 

Pichli posting me bhi mai ne kaha tha k pehle aap baat kr rahe the Momnooh hone ki aur baad meaap aa ge Choori choori pe Jis ko mai ne ghalat sabit kr dia.Ab bander Raza khani kehta hai k Filhal pehas is pe hai k Pabandi ya Fatwa aya k nahi? Mulahiza ho bongi in ki! Goya asal topic se bhagte bhagte ab fatwa pe baat le ae hai! Aur jo mai sabit kr chukka hoo Haqeqat se k Tableeghi jamat waha pe mojod hai aur Saudia ki permission aur un k jante howe kaam kr rahi ha.us k samne us fatwa ki ab bhala koi haqeeqat reh jati hai jnab? To jnab sub ne daikh lia aur achi tarah daikh lia k fatwa aya lakin ab aap bhi aankhain phar k daikh lain k Tableeghi waha pe bare dharalle se mojod bhi hai aur chori chori kam bhi nahi kr rahe hai!

Mein tu ab bhi keh raha hun ke Pabandi hai aur iss ke saboot mein fatawa bhi paish kar chuka. Arabi bhi dikha di, English bhi dikha di aur scan pages bhi dikha diye Tablighi Jamat ki mukhalifat mein. Aap ne ab tak kya dikhaya? Apni deobandari jahalat ke namoonay aur bus? Choori chuppay kaam karnay per tu khud aap ke deobandari bhai Peer2009 ne gawahi de di. Uss per bhi aap ki bolti band hai.

Mera ab tu aap se iss mouzo per sirf aik sawal hai. Aakhir aap ke pass kya saboot hai ke pabandi nahi? Ya aap chahtay hain ke sab ke sab bus aap ki baat ko asmaani hukm samajh kar sach maan lein?

Ab aap ne aik naya dawa kar diya ke;

"aur Saudia ki permission aur un k jante howe kaam kr rahi ha"

Humara dawa hai ke pabandi hai aur iss zaman mein hum ne fatawa dikha diye. Aap ka dawa hai ke permission hai, aap iss daway ko sabit karne ke liye koi saboot de dijiye, masla hall ho jaye ga.

Masla sirf itna hai ke aap hain 2 takkay ke maamoli deobandari jisay khud apni deobandari jamaat ki hi tafseel nahi pata, tu saboot lana tu phir durr ki baat.

  اقتباس

Same is the case in 2^nd question! Baat ko ghuma phira kr kaha se kaha le gain aap……..! jnab sub biddatain aap k aqaeed hi mt rachi basu hoi hai…….Aap logo ka to emaan hi Bidaato k sahara pe qaem hai…….! Qabr e Athar ko Sajda krna aur waha pe zoor zoor se Assalat parhna aap k emaan ka hissa hi ban chukka hai……….yeh alag baat k Shurtao ko daikhte hi aap brelvio ki rooh pervaaz kr jati hai…….. aur banday k putar ban jate hai…………aur baz aap jaise dheet jo k aisi kharafaat kp bhi adab ka darja daite hai……….to who phir sub k samne maar kha k bhi Ahmqana khayal sochte hai k yeh to nasseb wali maar hai…………!

Mein ne tu sab ke saamnay dawat de di ke Rooza-e-Mubarak per hazari ke adaab per aap alehda topic bana kar guftugo kar lijiye, aap hi ki halat patli ho rahi hai warna ab tak naya topic start kar chukay hotay. Thori himmat kijiye na deobandari! Kab tak burqay mein chupay rahien gay, thora mard ban kar baat kijiye

  اقتباس

Next posting me gatar se bahir nikal kr to the point baat krna…….warna tumhari bakwaasat ki bjae ho mai Jad dul Mukhtar k sawalat k jawabat daina ziada pasand kro ga Ok?

Janab ab next post tu aap ki tab tak approve nahi hogi jab tak aap tamaam sawalaat ka bari bari jawab nahi dete. Aap per kuch nahi tu darjan bhar sawalaat udhaar hain jin se aap munh chupaye phir rahay hain aur shoor-o-ghull macha rahay hain takay unn sawalaat se tawajju hatay members ki. Lekin Alhumdulillah itni giraft hai mouzo per ke aap ko ghaseet ghaseet kar phir unn sawalo per laoo jin se aap faraar hain.

  Anti-Barelvi said:

Jad ul Mukhtar Sahib! Mai apni wordings nahi bhola..Lakin kia kro..k Hr roz aap ka aik Bowla Bander Sybrite...mujh se Khoraak mangta hai...aur isi waja se aap ko jawabat daine ka moqa nahi mil raha...Aap agr us ki Cheekh o Pukaar band krwa sakte hai..to mai jald hi aap ko jawabat de do ga...Warna..Daine to mai ne phir bhi hai..Albata Thori Takheer ho jae gi!

Thanx for waitng! I will be come to U soon!

Aap ko sharm aani nahi aur mein ne haath se joota rakhna nahi. Jab tak bakay jao gay maar khatay jao gay. Filhaal tu aap ko aap ke deobandari bhai Peer2009 ne hi zaleel kar diya hai. Last post parhiye un ki aur unn ki daleel dekhiye ke "nice sharing" se khud aap ke chaheeta deobandari bawla kya muraad leta hai

Jitna tamasha aap ka ban chuka uss per pehlay hi loog hans rahay hain, aur banwana hai tu bakwaas jari rakhiye. Mein tu ab tak tumhari har bakwaas ka postmortem kar chuka, aik aik line quote kar ke. Hanafia Muslimah aur Mutalashi wali apni bakwaas ka jawab sun kar tu aap pehlay hi hawaas'bakhta ho kar faraar ho gaye, ab dekhtay hain iss baar kitnay munh'toor jawabo mein aap ye keh kar faraar hotay hain ke "mein iss topic per baat nahi karo ga".

Waisay I know koi khaas faida hona nahi kyu ke isay seedhi salees Urdu samajh nahi aati tu Arabi kya aye gi. Phir doosray members ki info ke liye, kuch aur fatawa hazir hain, direct from Bin Baz's official website!

جماعة الإخوان وجماعة التبليغ هل هما من أهل السنة؟

مجموع فتاوى ومقالات متنوعة المجلد الثامن والعشرون

=======================================

Asif bhai, aap kahein tu Bin Baz ke arbi fatway bhi post kar do? Mein ne soocha topic taweel ho jaye ga iss liye nahi kiye.

  peer2009 said:

saybrite sahib aap ke munafikat khul ker samne agaye h zhair he mane ge to nahi me ne kaha nice sharing .kiya ghulam msutafa ne sahring ki thi. afsos . muanfik me bralvi pehle number per he. jessy kokab norani loll.ab matem karo aap log ke woh kiya keh gaya

Deobandari bawloo mein aap yaqeenan sardaar hain. Apnay bhai ki post ko aankhein khool kar parh lein. Mujhay tu maloom hai ke aap ne kis ko kaha tha "nice sharing" lekin aap ke deobandari bhai ki samajh nahi aa rahi thi, uss ko samjhanay ke liye kaha hai. Kyu lateefay choortay ho har thori dair mein deobandari!

Aur I admit ke aap se bara be'ghairat aur be'sharam deobandari mein ne nahi dekha! Abhi tak uss topic ko start karnay mein paoo kaanp rahay hain aap ke kyu pata hai waha kya durgatt banay gi. Doosray tamaam topics mein bakwaas karnay ka bohut time hai, bus uss topic ko start karne ki baat aye tu time nahi hota!!