Sybarite

Ab tu iss Ant-Barelvi per reham aa raha hai. Sari deobandiyatt inn ke pyjamay ke raastay beh chuki hai phir bhi shoor zaroor machana hai inhay. Typical deobandari be'ghairati ka muzahira kartay huway jis ka baat ka jawab nahi hota uss per keh dete hain ke "Mein iss per baat nahi karo"! Deoabandariyo mein ghairat'mando ka bohut hi ghambeer fuqdaan hai. Waisay deobandariyo ki ye strategy bhi purani nahi ke behes baray behes kiye jao, bakwaas pe bakwaas kiye jaye tu samnay wala kabhi tu thakay ga, tu miya jee idher Sunni hai! Bayt'ul'khala, matlab deoband pohancha kar hi dum lein gay!

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='Feb 22 2009, 12:06 AM' post='46789']

Jnab sybarite sahib! aap ki is posting me mujhe koi kaam ki baat nahi dikhai di………..aur rafta rafta mujhe yaqeen hota ja raha hai…….k aap ki khopri shareef me aql ki bjae bhoosa bhara howa hai…….!

Zahir hai jin baato ka aap ke paas jawab nahi woh aap ke kaam ki kaisay ho sakti hai. Aap ke saath tu rafta rafta bohut kuch ho raha hai jis ka tamasha poora forum dekh raha hai. Aiye aap ke bandar'tamashay ki mazeed numaish karo.

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Zarb e Momin wala link mai pehle bhi open krne ki koshish krta raha hoo………aur ab bhi kia hai………lakin attached images bilkul b open nahi ho rahi hai

…..Baharhal “Deobandi ki Barsi” wale topic pe mai pehle hi bohat kuch keh chukka hoo………..Lakin Disappointment hot hai us waqt jab aap log apne mouquf se aik inch bhi hanta pasand nahi farmate………To ab Behas Brae Behas ka faida………….?………Filhal to Tableeghi Jamat wale topic pe apni Concentration rakhna Sybrite Je……….!

Zarb-e-Momin walay topic per doosray members already post kar chukay tu matlab unhay attachement dikhai de rahi hai. So its not our problem, check your browser settings or clear your cache and try again.

Deobandi ki Barsi walay topic per tu aap ki bolti band ho gai jab aap ke munh per doosra hawala mara gaya.Hatta ke asal topic se bhaagnay ke liye "Radi Allahu Anhu" ke istimaal ke issue ko utha per bhi aap ko zaleel hona para kyu ke uss ka bhi jawab aap kya aap ki poori nasal ke paas nahi. Waisay pehlay bhi keh chuka hun ke deobandariyo ka iss tarah baat ko adhoora chor kar bhag jana koi new baat nahi! Aik nahi saikroo topics gawah hain iss baat ke jaha se aap ke deobandari dumm daba kar bhaag chukay hain.

Aur dont worry janab! Iss topic per poori concentration hai bus aap zara himmat kar ke baatoo ke jawab tu dijiye. Her doosri baat per zananiyo ki tarah munh chupaye keh dete hain ke "mein iss per baat nahi karo ga"! Atleast ghairat'mand banne ki koshish hi kar lijiye!

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Hanafi wali baat pe mai baat krna pasand nahi kro ga……bcoz aap jitna bhi hanafi ki tarafdari kre……..Baharhal……..Hanafi ne bongi mari hai…….Aur kis ne keh dia aap ko k………..nice sharing means k…………yeh sirf Scan pages k sath makhsoos hai…….? Isi website pe na jane kitne forums pe aap k hi brelvi bhaio ne simple postings pe b aik dosre ko Nice Sharing likha howa hai……….Lehaza be par ki na uraya krain…….Bl ke maan lia krai……….!

See! phir aap ne typical deobandari burqa'posh mujahid wali harkat kar di. Aray miya baat nahi karni thi tu phir shuru hi kyu ki? Aur ab shuru kar hi di hai tu phir bhaagna kaisa? Bara uchal uchal kar aap ne apna be'tukka aiteraaz paish kiya tha, aur ab jab sarr per aiteraaz ka jawab aafat ban kar aa para hai tu roonay per utar aye!

Martay huway kuttay ke bilbilanay ke se andaaz mein aap kehtay hain ke nice sharing sirf attachements ya scans wali post nahi hoti! Bilkul sahi kaha aap ne. Koi zaroori nahi ke sirf attachements ya scans wali post ke reply mein aisa kaha jaye, lekin mein ye baat generally nahi balkay poori post ko samnay rakhtay huway kahi thi. Hanafi Muslimah ki "wahbiyoon ki shar se bachnay" ki dua se tu pehlay hi maloom ho jata hai ke unho ne aap ki post per reply nahi kya, tu phir ye post general rule se nikal specific ho gai ke haa reply karne wala deobandari wahabi nahi hai so obviously reply kisi sunni ki post per hi hoga. Ab aiye aap ko aap ke bawlay deobandari bhai Peer2009 ka haal dhikao!

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Iss topic per kuch bolna tu aap ke buss ki baat hi nahi iss liye sirf post #4 & #5 dekhiye.

Post #4 hai Ghulam-e-Mustafa bhai ki;

Sybarite bhai buhat acha answer diya.

Iss ke forum baad post #5 hai aap ke bawlay Peer2009 ki!

JAZAKALLAH bahut achi sahring ALLAH ap ko jazye kheir ata fermaye amin

Ab aap ke hisaab se hai iss bawlay Peer2009 ne JazakAllah Ghulam-e-Mustafa ki post kaha? Jo khud meri post per JazakAllah keh rahay hain!

Kyu tamasaha banwaya per tullay ho miya! Khuda ki kasm iss waqt hansi aa rahi hai deobandiyatt per mujhay! Iss waqt tu Iblees bhi tumhari halat dekh kar roo raha hoga!

Haye mere masoom bachay, haye mere masoom bachay kuch tu seekh lete mujh se Ibn'Abu Jehl!!

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Mutlashi wali baat pe bhi aap ne fazool bakwaas ki hai…aur is pe baat krna bhi Fazool hai!

Zahir hai! Aap ke paas jawab nahi tu baat karna fuzool hi hoga. Mein ne tu seedha sa sawal poocha tha ke Mutalashi ke maani sirf haq ka mutalaashi hi kyu liye jaye? Iss seedhay se sawal ke jawab mein bhi aap ki bolti band. Waisay kafi baar keh chuke aap ke fala ne ye bongi maari, fala ne woh bongi mari, apni iss bongi per pakar huwi hai tu sannatay mein kyu aa gaye?

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Jnab sybarite sahib………..aap zra apni munafqat khood hi mulahiza farma lain……….Start ki postings me to Munnah ne jo scan paish kia………..aur apni posting me aap kehte rahe k…………….Saudi Arab me Tableeghi jamaat ka Dakhla Mamnoo Hai. (Zra mulahiza hoo munnah ji ki posting……….) Theek…………? Aur jab aap ki Dhotio me Shikast o Raikht start hoi to……………aap aate aate is baat pe aa ge k…………waha pe choro ki tarah chupke chupke kaam kr rahi hai……………!

Mera mouqiff ab bhi yehi hai baat sirf itni si hai ke aap ki aqal deobandari mufto ki haram'khoori ki wajeh se paida hone wali toond ki tarah hai, yaani ke mooti!

Mein ab bhi yehi kehta hun ke Saudi Arabia mein officially Tablighi Jamat ban hai. Aur choro ki tarah chup chup kar kaam kar rahi hai, balkay iss ka iqraar khud aap ke bhai Peer2009 ne apni post mein kya. Awwal tu ye samajh lijiye ke mein keh kya raha hon.

Saudi Arabia mein officially Tablighi Jamat ban hai, matlab ke government ki taraf se. Jaisa ke Pakistan ki government ki taraf se Qadiani/Ahmedi ban hain. Ab rahi baat Tablighi Jamat ke waha chooro ki tarah kaam karne ki, ya waha pohanch janay ki, tu mein pehlay bhi pooch chuka ab bhi pooch raha hun ke kya Pakistan mein Qadiani/Ahmedi marakiz nahi hain? Qadiani/Ahmedi per ban hone ke ba'wajood unn ke marakiz qaim hain kyu ke woh chupp chupa ke apni organizations chalatay hain iss liye baaz auqaat pakar mein nahi aatay aur baaz auqaat humari government hi sust rehti hai.

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Lanat hai aap ki aql pe bhi aur jahalat pe bhi………..Bhi jab oper aap ne likh dia hai………k……..Dakhla Momnno hai………to it means Tableeghi Jamaat is not allowed to enter in the Saudia Arabia!……..Theek……..! Phir aap kehte ho k je chori chupe kam krti hai……….

Yehi tu seedhi si baat aap ki mooti si aqal mein nahi aa rahi. Waisay aa tu shayad gai baat samajh mein lekin manay gay nahi aap kyu ke phir iss topic se bhi bhaagna parr jaye ga!

Makkah Mukarrama mein ghair'muslimo ka dakhila mana hai ye tu mantay hain na? Iss ke ba'wajood Richard Francis Burton Makkah-o-Madina mein ghuss bhi gaya, hajj ke ayam mein waha raha bhi hatta ke poori book likh di "A Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina". Aur ye ikloota bhi nahi, aur bhi kaafi non-muslims chori'chupay ghuss chukay hain Makka Mukarrama mein. Ab kya aap ye kahein gay ke Saudi Government ki taraf se non-mulims per pabandi nahi?

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Aur peer ji ki posting k reply me to aap bhi farmate hai k……..Fazael e Aamaal airport pe hi chheen li jati hai…………To matlab howa k Tableeghi Jamaat Saudi Arab pohnch to gae na………….??……..Agr Dakhla Mamnooh hota to Saudia me enter hi na hone dia jata……….! Lehaza fazool bakwaas aur apni taraf se jhoot bkne ki bilkul zrorat nahi……….Aur aap ne daikh lia k mai ne aap ki postings se hi aap ki munafqat sabit kr di……………….!

Tuff hai aisi koorh'maghzi per! Deobandariyo ko kahi afeem tu nahi khilai jati jo kha kha kar dimaagh aisa maouff ho gaya aap ka?

Makka Mukarrama mein non-muslims ka dakhila mana hai, ab agar koi non-muslim choori'chupay ghusnay ki koshish mein airport per ya Makkah ke shehar mein pakra jata hai tu aap is se ye sabit karien gay ke non-muslims per pa'bandi hai hi nahi?

Be logical for once in your pathetic life!

Miya jee agar himmat hai tu jo fatawa aur official statements dikhaye hain unn per baat karo! Apnay Peer2009 ki statement per baat karo! Khud tumhara deobandari bhai iqraar kar chuka ke waha tumhari tablighi jamat openly kaam nahi karti! Agar koi pabandi nahi tu phir kyu openly kaam nahi karti iss ka tu jawab de do! Pehlay safai de rahay thay ke kisi aik mufti ne fatwa de diya tu kya hota hai, uss ke jawab mein Saudia ke Grand Mufti Khabees Bin Baz ke fatway ka zikr kya tu bolti band ho gai.

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Kia khayal hai Sybrite je Mazeed kuch kehne ko reh gea hai? mera khayal to yehi hai k ab is topic pe mazeed baat krne ki koi zaroorat hi nahi rahi? Kyo k aap ka dawa ghalat sabit ho chukka hai…aur forum topic bhi yehi tha k tableeghi jamat ka Dakhla Saudia me Mamnooh hai.to jab is ka rad ho gea to..Ab mazeed kuch kehne ki koi zaroorat to baqi na rahi!

Kyu nikal gai aap ke ghubaroo se hawa? Mera dawa ghalat sabit karne ki baat tu rehne hi dein filhaal tu aap ki bakwaas se maloom hota hai ke aap ko abhi tak samajh hi nahi aya ke dawa hai kya! Pehlay thora dimaagh ki batti jala kar samajhiye ke dawa hai kya phir iss ka radd karne ki nakaam koshish kijiye ga.

Humara dawa ab bhi yehi hai ke Tablighi Jamat per Saudi Arabia mein government ki taraf se pa'bandi hai. Tablighi Jamat agar waha jaati hai tu apni asliyatt chupa kar, common muslim ban kar jaati hai.

Agar Tablighi Jamat per pabandi nahi hoti tu rooz Haram mein koi na koi Tablighi 20-25 bawlay jama kiye khara Fazail-e-Aamal parh raha hota! Lekin aisa nahi hota aur khud iss topic per Peer2009 deobandari ne aiteraaf kiya ke Tablighi Jamat waha openly kaam nahi karti. Tu saaf zahir hai ke agar pabandi nahi hoti tu kaam openly ho raha hota jaisay Indo-Pak mein hota hai.

Agar aap ne humaray daway ka radd karna hai tu Saudi Government ya un ke Grand Mufti ka fatwa paish kar dijiye, phir aap ki baat ki koi tukk bhi bane gi. Otherwise agar aap ko apna aur tamasha banwana hai tu koi masla nahi.

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Israel wali baat pe aap kham khaw uchal kood kr rahe hai……..Mai pehle b keh chukka hoo k……..Allah ki raza isi me hai k Tableeghi jamaat k hisa me yeh sharaf aya k who waha pe Deen ki mehnat kr rahi hai………….OK…….? Acha mujhe aik baat ka jawab to do………! Bil farz Aaj agr Israel deeni jamato per se pabandi utha le to kia aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami ka Madni Tola waha pe Tableegh krne jae ga k nahi……………?

 

I m waiting for ur Answer……….! Ghuma phira k jawab na daina…OK?

Be'sharmi ki bhi hadd hoti ya janab! Kuch tu ghairat kijiye! Mein ne ap ko Palestinian delegation ke leader Abdul Mahdi ka hawala qoute kar diya! Palestinian muslims tak Tablighi Jamaat ki mazammat kartay hain.

Mujh se sawal karne se pehlay thori ghairat paida kar ke mere sawalaat ka bhi jawab de dete. Yahoodi Palestine mein Muslims auratoo aur bacho tak ko be'rehmi se maar raha hai jis ki gawah sari dunya hai. Lekin Tablighi Jamat walo ko khulli azaadi de rakhi hai, aakhir aisa kyu? Aap ki asaani ke liye number'waar sawal likh deta hun, mumkin hai iss baar ghairat aa jaye.

1. Israel muslims ke itnay khilaaf hai ke Palestinian Muslim bacho tak ko maar raha hai, Palestinian Muslims ke gharo per bombardment kar raha hai lekin Tablighi Jamaat ko Islam ka kaam karne ki ijazat de rakhi hai, un ko 1-2 nahi 24 Centres khoolnay ki ijazat kyu de rakhi hai?

2. Israel mein mojoud Tablighi Jamat baqi dunya ke Musalmaano ki tarah Israel ke muzaalim per Israel ke khilaaf ihtijaaj kyu nahi karti? Kyu Israel ko apna baap samajh kar uss ki good mein khamoosh bethi Musalmaano ko be'dardi se marta dekh rahi hai?

Aap ke rhetorical sawal ka jawab dena zaroori nahi. Aap ka tu sawal hi "bil'farz" per mabni hai! Pehlay haqaiq se tu nipat lijiye phir khayalaati sawalaat per aiye ga!

Ab dekhtay hain ke aap iss ka jawab dete hain ya phir "mein iss per baat nahi karo ga" keh kar dum dabba kar bhaagtay hain.

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Phir aap ne Raiwind ijtima pe zabardasti le jane ki baat ki………Baat darsal aqeeda ki hoti hai jnab……….Aap mujhe bta sakte hai k Kia aap b Ghaib ka Ilm jante hai jo dawa kr rahe hai…………k……maximum log zabardasti jate hai………..? Albata mai aise darjano Brelvio ko zror janta hoo jo k Pehli baar Raiwind ijtima pe ge to us k baad Pakke Sachhe tableeghi ban kr aur apni sabqa zindagi si toba taib ho kr wapis palte………! Kia kehte hai ab aap…………?

Mein tu pehlay hi keh chuka ke ye baatein mere zaati mushahiday per hain. Jis tarah aap keh rahay hain ke aap aisay darjano Barelwiyo ko jantay hain tu janab mein bhi aisay darjano deobandariyo ko janta hun jo seh'roza chillay ke liye bezaari se tayyar hotay hain aur phir ye sooch kar ke "chalo tour hi lag jaye ga" chalay bhi jatay hain.

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Jnab kia aap dawa kr sakte hai……..k aap k Brelvi mazhab me jitney bhi brelvi hai…………who sub k sub Muttaqi…..Perhaizgar………Sood na khane wale………Sharab na peene wale…………aur Wali Ullah hai……?

To jnab hr firqa me ……..hr mazhab me………..aur hr ilaqa me ache log bhi hote hai……….aur buray bhi………Lehaza Agr Who Pathan Sood ka karobaar krta hai………to us ka apna feal hai………Us se tableeghi jammat ko to badnaam na kre na aap………..! tableegh me bhi insaan hi hote hai……….farishte nahi……….bus baat itni hai k banda mahool se jura rahe aur Jab Allah qabool farma laite hai to Tareekh bhari pari hai un logo se jo k pehle Nami Garami Dako the……….Aur phir Allah k Wali bne…………! Theek hai na………….? Waqae Pathan ka feal intehae bura hai………lakin us k feal pe Jamaat ko qasoor war thehrana ghalat baat hai…..! Ab aisi kae baatain aap kiu Dawat E Ghiar Islami k brelvi molvio se mutalliq to meray Mushahida me bhi hai…….k jin ko sun’na aap pasand nahi farmae gain…….Lakin kia us ka matlab akhaz kr laina saheh ho ga k banda aisa hai ti jamaat bhi aisi ho gi……………?

 

Kia kehte hai aap is bare mai……………….?

Miya jee! Achay buray her jamaat mein hotay hain, iss se mujhay inkaar nahi. Dawat-e-Islami mein bhi aisay guneh'gaar loog hongay aur hongay kya mein khud guneh'gaar aadmi hun! Lekin Dawat-e-Islami mein aisay loog deen ki dawat de kar, muballigh ban kar logo per ghalat impact nahi daaltay. Pehlay bhi keh chuka ke Dawat-e-Islami aisay logo ki islaah karti hai, na ke aisay logo se islaah karwa kar apna mazaak banwati hai.

Sharabi, zaani ya kaisa bhi gunehgaar ho, uss ki islaah zaroor ki jaye magar uss ko "muballigh" banana be'waqoofi aur ye be'waqoofi Tablighiyo mein aksar dekhnay ko milti hai.

Aap uss sood'khoor pathan ki baat kartay hain tu miya jee uss halqay ke Ameer sahab bhi uss pathan se aur uss ke zariya-e-ma'ash se achi taraf waqif hain. Unn ka tu farz banta tha ke apni jamaat ke logo ko uss haram khanay se bachaye lekin un ki tu ye halat thi ke sab kuch hotay huway bhi farma rahay thay ke "doodh walay naan hotay tu kya baat thi". Mahool se jura rehne wali baat aap ne theek kahi lekin mahool se jura rehnay ka matlab ye ke aisay gunehgaaro ko achi suhbat ki tarah laya jaye, na ke unhay gashti toolay ka hissa bana kar, 4 larko per chapa maar kar uss gunehgaar se talqeen karwai jaye! Mera aiteraaz guneh'gaar ko dawat dene per nahi, guneh'gaar se dawat dilawanay per hai!

Aap kehtay hain ke tareekh bhari pari hai ke nami'girami dako Allah ke wali ban gaye tu ye bataiye ke kya woh naami'girami daako, daako hotay huway tabligh kartay thay ya jab khud sudhar kar Allah ki Wali ya naik musalman ban gaye tab tabligh kartay thay?

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Sharabio wale topic pe aap ki bokhlahat saaf dikhae de rahi hai………aur yeh bemari aap me nahi hr brelvi me bhi pae jati hai…….k apni ghalti tasleem nahi krte……….kisi ko b bula k poch le k aap ki posting se un se nafrat zahir hai k……….un k gunaho se………….! Zahri si baat hai………k……..Insaan ko dosre k gunaho se h nafrat krna chahye……..mgr aap ne gunaho ki bjae un logo se nafrat zahir ki……..! acha aap itna bhi to keh sakte the k Gunah gar log…….! Lakin aap ne khasosiat se zoor de k un ko Sharabi Aur Chichoray kaha……Agr aap ki khopri me Bhosa bhara hai…….to kisi aur se faisla krwa lain……..Apni Sharmindagi pe jhoot k parde na dale jnab……………!

Uss post mein mere dil mein kis cheez ke liye nafrat hai ye Allah aur uss ke Rasool khoob jantay hain iss liye aap ko saboot dene ki koi zaroorat nahi. Haa aap agar sabit kar saktay hain explicitly ke woh nafrat guneh'gaar se thi na ke uss ke gunaho se tu facts ke saath prove kijiye na ke apni zaati raye ko hujjat bana kar usay saboot ki shikal de kar mujh per ilzaam'tarashi karein.

Rahi baat unhay sharabi aur chichoora kehne per tu miya jee mein sirf itna kaho ga ke atleart try to get the context! Aap ko agar kisi bayan ke qareenay ko samajhnay ki aqal nahi tu iss mein mera kya kasoor?

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To jnab kia aap ko Dawat e Ghair Islami ne itna bhi nahi sikhaya k:

“Yeh na daikho k baat krne wala koon hai……..bl ke………..yeh daikho k……….Baat kis ki ki ja rahi hai……………”

 

Yeh to Tableegh k owwaleen asoolo me se hai jnab……..aur heart hai k aap is se la-ilm hai………! Pas zahir howa k aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami kuch sikhati waghira nahi hai…….aur bus Halwo aur Sair Sapato pe zor rakhti hai………..!

Tabligh ka awwaleen usool! Hazrat ab jaldi se iss usool ki asal bata dijiye. Matlab ye usool shariat mein kaha hai reference de bata dijiye. Aap tablighi ka motto hai ke "ye tu Nabiyo wala kaam hai" tu ab ye bataiye ke aap ke nazdeek kitnay Anbiya MaazAllah gunehgaar thay?

Bhaagiye ga matt ab! Aap ne dawa kya hai ke ye Tabligh ke awwaleen usoolo mein se hai tu ab iss daway ko sabit karne ke liye iss usool ka reference dijiye warna Tablighi Jamat kin usoolo aur nazriyaat per bani iss ka bayan jald hi anay wala hai.

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Aap ko aik hadees suna daita hoo jis ka mafhoom hai k aik shakhs k bare me AAP (S.A.W) se arz ki gea k who shakhs Fala Gunah bhi krta hai aur Namaz bhi parhta hai……to AAP(S.A.W) ne farmaya k Anqareeb us ki namaz us ko who Gunnah krne se rook de gi.

 

Kuch palle para aql me Sybrite je……………?

Ab mein uss jahil se kya baat karo jisay mubahisay mein hadith quote karne ki bhi tameez nahi! "Hadith ka mafhoom hai" keh kar hi tu dunya ko be'waqoof banatay hain aap ke Tablighi! Agar ghairat hoti tu pehlay khud tehqeeq kar ke iss hadith ka reference dhoond kar check kartay. Lekin nahi! Aap ne apnay mullay ke munh se suna aur agay bayan kar diya! Ye hai aap ki Tablighi Jamat ki asliyat!

Ab mujhay ye bhi andaza hai ke aap ye roona machaye gay ke dekho hadith ko ghalat keh raha hai! Tu iss ka paishgi jawab ye hai ke mein ne hadith ko ghalat nahi kaha, hadith quote karne ke andaaz ko ghalat kaha hai. Agar aap ki tehqeeq nahi tu phir iss tarah hadith ka mafhoom apni naqis aqal se bayan karna jahalat hai!

Chaliye aap aik kaam kijiye. Quran, Hadith, Aqwaal-e-Aimma kahi se bhi koi aik reference paish kar dijiye ke aisay guneh'gaaro ki jamat bana kar Tabligh ki gai ho. Aap ki ye Tablighi Jamat kehtay nahi thakti ke ye tu Nabiyo wala kaam hai lekin aaj tak koi aik hawala nahi diya gaya ke kabhi Huzoor ne bhi iss tarah ke logo ki jamat bana kar tabligh ki ho. Na chillay lagaye na seh'rozay! Tu aakhir ye tareeqa kis ka hai? (Iss tareeqay ki asliyatt jald hi post karo ga, compose kar raha hun filhaal tu is liye thora waqt lagay ga.)

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Aap sirf itna q daikhte ho k who sharabi hai………….? Theek hai k who aik gunah me mubtila hai lakin ho skta hai k aik din us k dil me baat aa jae k mai logo ko dawat bhi daita hoo aur ghalat Kaam bhi krta hoo……..aur phir who gunah chor de………..Aur Sach keh raha hoo….k isi tarah Tablegh krte howe na jane kitno ne apne Gunaho se Toba ki hai………….!

Baar baar keh chuka aur dobara keh raha hon ke Sharabi gunehgaar Allah ki ataa se sudhar sakta hai, iss mein koi shakk nahi. Aisay guneh'gaaro ki islaah ki koshish zaroor karni chahiye magar unhay muballigh bana kar paish karna kaha se sabit hai?

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Aur jnab aakhir me aakhbari ittalaat daine ka shukria! Mai pehle hi bta chukka hoo k jaha achay log mojood hote hai…..waha pe buray log bhimojod hote hai………..Maslan….Hamaray City k Gird o nawah me akhsar Dehaat me Brelvio ki kasrat hai aur un ki kafi masjidain aur mudrassay hai aur ae din .is tarah ki khabrain hum ko bhi milti rehti hai aur akhbaraat me bhi publish hoti rehti hai k Fala Molvi sahib ne Daras k lea aane wale no-umar bache se kr dali..!

 

Khali jagah ka matlab sub hi jante hai……….aur believe me un me se aksar to Multaan Shareef k ijtima bhi Zooq Shooq se jate the……..!

Aisi khabrien aap parhtay hain tu unn ka saboot bhi paish kar dein janab! Warna zyada'tar tu aisay waqiyat mein Deobandari madrasso ka hi naam aata hai. Garden East ki deobandi masjid "Masjid-e-Da'a" ka Imam pakka lawati hai! Iss per agar aap chahien tu mein mubahila karne ko raazi hun! Aap ke deobandariyo ke mullo ke lawatat ki qissay tu khud aap ki deobandari kitaabo tak mein chapp chukay hain! Aap ke "Qutb-e-Rabbani" aur uss ke "Rafeeq-e-Jaani" ka "Chaarpai Qissa" phir se sunanay ki zaroorat nahi.

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1.) Waise to aap Brelvi loog sub Saudi Muftio ko “ Wahabio” ka alqabaat se yad krte ho aur un ki Kitabo aur un k kahe howe pr zra brabar bhi yaqeen nahi krte ho. Lakin yeh kia munafqat aap me aik dam palat ae k un ho ne Tableegh pe pabandi ki Jhooti baat kahi…..aur aap ne fat se us ko na sirf darust tasleem kr lia ..bl ke us pe Aameen kehte howe us pe aankhain band kr k Trust bhi kr lia……….?

Be'shakk hum unke aqaid ko ghalat kehtay hain aur khull kar kehtay hain, na ke aap deobadnariyo ki tarah aik jageh un ke aqaid ko umda kahein aur doosri jageh unhay lanat malamat karein.

Rahi baat Deobandariyo per pabandi tu kya ye aqaid ke zumray mein aati hai? Humara dawa hai ke unho ne pabandi lagai, ab iss ka unn ke aqaid se kya lena dena? Waisay aap ki bhi ajeeb-o-ghareeb mantak hai. Agar kal ko Shia kahay ke Allah aik hai tu kya aap ye baat bhi iss liye tasleem nahi karein gay ke Shia ne kaha hai?

Aur iss mein jhoot honay ki tu koi baat hi nahi, unn ke Grand Mufti ka fatwa mojoud hai agar aap isay jhoot sabit karna chahtay hain tu uss fatway ko jhoota sabit kar dein. Pabandi ya Fatwa sahi lagaya ke nahi iss per behes nahi, filhaal behes iss per hai ke pabandi ya fatwa aya ke nahi. Hum ne sabit kar diya ke fatwa bhi aya aur aya bhi Grand Mufti ki taraf se. Aap is ke khilaaf sabit kar dein agar aap ke bus mein hai tu.

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2.) Tableeghi jamat k hawala pe to mai ne aap ko dandaan shikan jawabaat de dia hai………..ab zra mujh ko aik bat ka sheh saheh jawab to daian…………….

 

Suna bhi hai aur Sainkro logo ki observation bhi hai k aap Brelvi hazraat ko Masjid e Nabvi me Rooza e Pak k nazdeek bhi phatakne nahi dai jata k aap log waha pe bhi bid’daat start kr daite ho…………aur to aur waha pe Adab se rehne ki bjae shor o ghul machete ho……………..(Astaghfiruulah)….! To jnab kaha jata hai aap logo me who Hub e Rasool (S.A.W) Aur Adab e Rasool (S.A.W) Jub aap log Qabr e Athar pe hazir hone ki koshish krte ho……….? Aap ne who farmaan e Elahi to suna hai na k Jin ki awaz Nabi (S.A.W) Ki awaz se buland ho jae to us k sub aamaal tabah o barbaad ho jate hai………….!

 

Kia kehte hain is bare me bhi jnab…………?

 

Aur waise suna hai k Un Gustakh Brelvio ko Waha pe Shurto k hatho khoob maar bhi parti rehti hai…………..!

Rooza-e-Athar per hazri dena aur waha adab se Salam paish karne ko tu Wahabi Hokumat shirk qarar deti hai. Iss aqiday per baat karni hai ke waha kaun se kaam biddat hain aur kaun se nahi tu iss per aap shouq se alehda topic start kar ke bata dijiye ke waha kaun kaun se kaam bidat hain, aap ko uss ka jawab mil jaye ga.

Rahi baat waha jo loog shoor-o-ghull machatay hain tu miya jee woh chahay koi bhi ho, chahay khud ko Barelwi kehnay wala, chahay deobandari, chahay wahabi! Agar Darbar-e-Nawabi ke ihteraam ko malhooz nahi rakhta tu be'shakk gustaakh hai. Jo bhi karta hai ghalat karta, iss per agar aap ko fatwa lena ho tu Darul Ifta se rujoo kar saktay hain. Aamaal ki zimay'daari jamat per lago nahi hoti. Haa agar aap sabit kar dein ke waha shor-o-ghull machana humaray aqaid mein se hai ya humaray ulema iss per amal ya iss ki talqeen kartay hain tu aap ka aiteraaz samajh aata hai.

Warna tu aap deobandariyo ka akhbaar mein chapa fatwa hai ke movie banwanay walay Imam ke peechay namaz nahi hoti, aur Imam-e-Ka'aba ki movie daily hi banti hai aur saray deobandari ussi Imam ke peechay namaz bhi parhtay hain. Iss per kya kahein gay aap?

Shoorto se pitai agar iss baat per ho ke Rooza-e-Rasool per Salam arz karne ke liye adab se kyu kharay ho tu aisi pitai tu humein piyaari hain. Shoortay Rooza-e-Athar per adab se haath baand kar kharay rehnay ko bhi shirk maantay hain, aap kya mantay hain isay? Ab agar Rooza-e-Nabawi per adab se haath bandhnay per pitai ho tu Tazeem-e-Rasool ke liye aisi pitai per humein fakhar hai.

I think itna hi kaafi hai. Baqi jawabaat ki tu mujhay umeed nahi. Har baar ki tarah iss baar bhi aap jis baat ka jawab dene se qaasir hon gay uss per ye keh kar faraar ho jaye gay ke "iss per mujhay baat nahi karni".

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Peer2009! Tumharay jaisay be'sharam ko jawab dena bekaar hai. Agar kuch sharam hoti tu yaha waha post karne ke bajaye uss topic per baat kartay. Abhi tak woh topic mujhay nazar nahi aya. Kab tak burqa'poosh mujahid banay raho gay deobandari!

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Ab zra sub brelvi hazraat apni apni dhotian snmbhalne ki fikr krain…..kyo k Mai in

raza khanio ki boseeda dhotio me Cheer phar krne k lea aa gea hoo……….!

Deobandiyo ko zaleel hone ka kitna shouq hai iss ka muzahira iss forum per aap ke deobandari bhai aksar-o-baishtar kartay rehtay hain. Aap ki deobandariyatt ke saray bajay tu bajj hi chukay hain, ab aur kitna zaleel hona chahtay hain.

Loota'chaap Deobandiyo ka Risala Zarb-e-Momin

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?showtopic=7167

"deobandRo ki barsi" walay topic per aakhiri reply 6 din pehlay kya tha aap ne. Tab se ab tak mafroor hain aap us topic se. "Loota'chaap Deobandiyo ka Risala Zarb-e-Momin" per tu aap ne bolnay ki himmat hi nahi ki. Tu aap ki ilmi auqaat tu yaha sab per pehlay hi wazeh hai!

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Sub se pehle to Hanaffi muslima ki bongi mulajiza hoo…..! sub forum members daikh skte hain k meri posting k fil for baad hanafi brelvi ne apni posting ki hai aur hanafi ki bokhlahat pe mera hans hans k bura hall hai. Mulahiza ho:

 

niceee sharing!

Allah hamein wahbiyoon ki shar se bachae (Ameen Bejahin Nabiyyil Ameen )

Goya sub se pehle to hanafi sahib meri posting pe “Nice sharing” aur “jazak allah” farma rahe hai……………aur us k foran baad Anti Brelvio se panah bhi mang rahe hai………….! Ab mai smjhne se qasir hoo k hanafi brelvi hai………..k………..anti-brelvi….?

Yeh b sokta hai k Mohteram Darmean ki koi cheese hoo………….baharhal Sybrite jee zra apne hanafi brelvi ko snmbhale……….meri aik hi posting se un ka zehni tawazun bigar gea hai………….chchchch………..!

Sach bataiye ye aap ne lateefa suna ne ki koshish ki hai ya kuch aur? I mean aap kya Africa ke jungle se bhagay deo ke bandar hain ya shehri bandar hain? Matlab ab kya lutay huway deobandariyo ke paas isi tarah ke aiterazaat reh gaye hain??

Awwal tu Hanafi Muslimah ki post ko ghour se parhiye. Wazeh tour per likha hai ke "nice sharing" aur aap ki post mein koi attachment hai hi nahi tu it simply means ke Hanafi Muslimah ne ye post aap ke bawlay'panay per nahi balkay Munna786 ki janib se share kiye huway unn scans per ki thi.

Doosri baat, dunya ka ye kaun sa qaida hai ke agar aap ki post ke baad koi post kare tu woh sirf aur sirf aap hi ki post ka reply ho sakta hai? Na tu Hanafi Muslima ne aap ki post ko quote kar ke jawab diya, na poori post mein kahi aap ko mukhatib kya, aap bila'wajeh hi aik taang per uchlay jaa rahe hain ke meri post ko reply kya, meri post ko reply kya.

Ab waqt guzari ke liye aisay chichoor'panay karne se perhaiz kijiye!

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Us k baad aate hai Mutlashi ki taraf…………Naam se hi saaf zahir hai k hazrat mutlashi sahib brelviat me rehte howe bhi haq k mutlashi hai.. To jnab mai to aap se us waqt baat kro ga jab aap ki talash khatam hoi jae gi…OK? Waise tableeghi jamat ne aap ko kon kon si aur kis noeat ki takaleef pohnchai hai?…tana pasand farmae ge Aap? Waise mai ne bhi aap ki Dawat e Islami ka aik naam socha hai……

” Dawat e ghair islami” ..kaisa naam hai…? Pasandeedgi ka shukria.!

Unn ka naam nahi display name hai Mutlashi aur iss display name se ye kaisay sabit hota hai ke woh Haq ke hi Mutalaashi hain? Waisay honay ko tu woh Barelwiyat mein rehtay huway Deobandariyo mein Mard ke mutalashi ho saktay hain, jo ke aaj kal nayaab hain! Possibly kisi ghairat'mand aur sharm-o-haya walay deobandari ke Mutalashi hon lekin becharay uss mein bhi na'kaam hi rahein gay.

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To jnab kai zroori hai k Saudi mufti ne saheh kaha ho………..k…..pabandi hai? Hr area me kuch tang nazar aur ta’assub rakhne wale loog mojod hote hai (Jaise Pakistan me Aap Brelvi)..aur aik mufti ne baat kr di aur aap us pe Aameen kehte howe Facts se nazarain chura rahe hoo! Ab agr mai likh doo k Aap k Aal hazrat “Wald-uz-Zina” hai.to kia aap meri baat tasleem kr lain gain.? Faisla aap pe chorta hoon!

Miya jee, deobandariyo mein kya jhoot ka radd isi tarah kartay hain? Be'bus deobandariyo ke paas pehlay bhi koi daleel nahi thi aur bhi nahi hai. Warna usooli tour per aap ko chahiye tha ke apnay daway per daleel paish kartay. Waisay aap ke aqeeday ki tarah aap ki maloomat bhi naqis hain. Aap ki The-bug-League jamat per sirf ye aik fatwa nahi aur bhi kafi hain jin mein sab se mazboot Saudi Arabia ke Grand Mufti from 1993 till his death in 1999 Bin Baz ka hai! Aur aik bhi nahi, kafi fatway hain aap ki iss loota'bradar jamaat ke khilaaf. Kahein tu saray post kar dun?

So ye bekaar ki taweel na dijiye ke aik mufti ke kehnay se kya hota hai. Aap mein agar bhaija naam ki cheez hoti tu pehlay ye samajh lete ye koi infiradi fatwa nahi balkay chapi huwi kitab hai, aur aankhein khool kar publisher and publishing rights likhay hain ooper scan mein woh bhi dekh lijiye.

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Sadi mufti ki kitab k pages scan kr k aap ne dikha dea..Us hawala pe mai koi baat nahi kro ga faltoo shehzad sahib ko mai is masla pe bohat kuch keh chukka hoo…aur ab b sirf itna kaho ga….k Saudi Arab me Tableeghi jamat pe koi pabandi nahi.Agr Yakeen nahi aata to zra aik baar phir Makki Masjid ja k waha se “RAWANGI” K register utha k daikh laina .Inshallah aap ko tassalli ho jae gi.!

Hawalo per tu aap ke baray baat nahi kar paye aap ki kya auqaat hai. Aur ye koi nai baat bhi nahi. Jis ki cheez ka jawab deobandariyo ke paas nahi hota usay kawwa qorma samajh kar harap kar jatay hain aur doosray masail mein ulajh kar baat ko ghuma dete hain. Zinda misaal aap ke samnay hain Peer2009 ki shikal mein. Iss bawlay deobandari ko bari masti thi baat karne ki. Private messages mein tafseel se mein ne isay dawat de di ke janab tareeqay se baat kar lete hain alehda topic bana kar, ye aap ka deobandari bhai tab se ab tak waqt ki kami ka bahana bana kar bhaga huwa hai. Uss alehda topic per baat aati hai tu iss bhagooray ke paas time nahi hota, lekin her doosray topics mein iss ki post aap khud dekh saktay hain. Tu kehnay ka maqsad ye ke humein tu pehlay hi andaza hai ke saboot-o-dalail ke jawab mein aap ke paas kuch nahi. Siwaye chichoor'panay ke aap deobandariyo ke bus mein aur kuch nahi!

Aur aankhein khol kar pichli post parhiye. Humara dawa hai ke officially Tablighi Jamat banned hai, ye dawa kisi ne nahi kya ke choori chupay (shyad burqa'poosh mujahid ke roop) mein tablighi jamat waha nahi jaati. We were talking about official statement miya jee. Jaisay Qadiani/Ahmedi jamat Pakistan mein officially ban hai magar phir bhi choori'chupay ye Pakistan mein apna kaam jari rakhay huway hain. Aur isi tarah munh'chupaye chooro ki tarah agar Tablighi Jamatiye Saudia mein ghuss jatay hain tu iss se humara dawa kaisay ghalat sabit hota hai?

Aap ka apna deobandari bhai apni zaban se iqraar bhi kar chuka ke Tablighi jamat waha openly kaam nahi karti jaisay Indo-Pak mein karti hai!

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Rahi baat Israel wali to jnab Is baat se aap ki jealousy saaf tapak rahi hai k Allah ne Tableghi jamat ko Honour dia k who waha pe ja kr waha k Logo ki fikar kre aur app ki who nam nehad Dawat e Ghair Islami ko Israel me ghusne nahi dia jata…Hai na? Sybrite ji baat to qaboleat ki hai na. Ab agr tableeghi jamat waha pe Ghair muslimo ki fikar kr rahi hai to. aap mk pait me to maroor uthna hai na k Allah k karam se itne sare ghair muslim “Deobandio” me convert hote ja rahe hai..Aur aik baat pe to mai ab bhi sharat lagata hoo k agr aaj Israel se Deeni jamato ki entry per se pabandi uth jae…to kal Dawat e Ghair Islami ka Madni Tola waha pe bhagta howa jae ga aur Baqoal aap k Yahoodi ki Olad bn’ne ka Sharaf hasil kre ga!

Asal baat ko ghuma kar kahi se kahi le janay mei master hain aap deobandari! Miya jee mera sawal sirf itna hai ke jab Israel ne Islam ki ishaat rookne ke liye tamaam Islami jamato per pabandi lagai huwi hai tu Tablighi Jamat ko centre kholne ki ijazat kyu kar de di? Zahir hai kuch tu rishta hai Yahoodiya ka Deobandariyo se warna Tablighi Jamat tu waisay bhi World Politics mein suspicious hai terrorism ki wajeh se!

Israel Palestine ke Muslim mujahideen tu durr ki baat, aam muslim aurato aur bacho tak ko maar raha hai lekin Tablighi Jamat ke mullay choo'ke apnay bachay hain iss liye khullay aam ghoomtay hain! Aap ke deobandari yaha Pakistan mein tu baray muzahiray kartay hain Israel ke khilaaf, rooz aakhbaro mein aap ka koi na koi mulla shuhraat kamanay ke liye siyaasi bayan deta hai Israel ke khilaaf lekin aaj tak kisi newspaper ye nahi parha ke Israel mein moujod Tablighi Jamatiyo ne koi muzahira kya ho! Ha ye khabrein zaroor parhi hain!

According to the "Daily Assas" (19-09-95, Lahore), even Israel and India who are the worst enemies of Islam do not consider the Tableeghi Jamaat as a threat or harmful to them because the Tableeghi Jamaat not only abstains from any form of Jihad but also considers it an absolute prohibition. This is evident in the history of their activities. It is with these facts in mind that the Israeli authorities have allowed the Tableeghi Jamaat to establish 24 centres in Israel. Members of the Tableeghi Jamaat travelling from India to Raiwind in Pakistan were allowed special Air Charter facilities by the Indian authorities which is otherwise not available to other Muslims

According to the "Weekly Takbeer" (19-10-95, Karachi, Pakistan), Israel has granted the Tableeghi Jamaat permission to establish propagation centres. The Jamaat has already set up offices close to government buildings in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. On the 7th of October 1995, Abdul Mahdi, leader of the delegation of Palestinians and now living in Jordan, said upon arriving in Raiwind that the deputation of Tableeghi Jamaat members in Israel had not even uttered a word of protest at the Israeli brutality unleased on Palestinians.

Ye hai aap ki asliyatt! So iss Tablighi Jamat ke iss zaleel chehray ko chupaany ke liye boongiya na maro ke aisa hoga tu waisa hoga. Jo ho raha hai uss per baat karo lo pehlay.

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Rahi baat chappa mar kr she roza aur chilla pe bhijne ki…to jnab hum ti is baat pe believe rakhte hai.k logo ko mohabbat aur un ki marzi se is halqa me laya jae.Kia ap ne kabhi daikha k Raiwind k Ijtima e Azeem pe logo ko zabardasti aur Hath-kario me bandh k laya jata hai? Baat itni hai….k loog khud apni jaan..maal……waqt kharch kr k waha pe pohnchte hai!

Iss ka jawab tu miya jee aap khud bhi jaantay hain ke kitnay larkay dil se jaatay hain kitnay majboori aur be'dilli se. Ab sari ki sari musalmaan awaam deobandariyo ki tarah tu be'ghairat hai nahi. Mostly mein ne jo dekha hai woh yehi ke larkay durr se Gashti toolay ko dekh kar hi race ho jatay hain, jo bad'qismati se pakre jatay hain unhay phir be'dilli se razamandi zahir karni parti hai. Murawwat mein woh becharay iss liye chal partay hain 90% awaam ko deobandariyo ke asal zaleel aqeedo ka pata hi nahi hota, woh bechara iss sharm se ke Islami kaam ko kaun mana kare chal partay hain be'dilli se ke chalo kuch ho na ho tour hi lag jaye ga. Aur Wallah! ye baatein mein khud unn deobandariyo ke munh se sun chuka hun jo chillay tak laga chukay hain.

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Believe me! Sun kr khushi hoi k aap bhi Markaz me ae the.lakin phir disappointment bhi hoi k.Afsos k aap me Hidayat ki koi kiran na photo saki.Lagta hai k aap ka dil b sakht ho gea hai aur ab Hidayat naam ki koi cheese ander enter nahi ho pa rahi waise agr aik baar aankhain band kr k who Qorma kha laite na to shayed pehli martaba Halal ka khana kha k aap ki bhi bosseda rooh me koi tazgi aa jati…Baharahal aik qeemto moqa zaya kr dia aap ne apni Islah ka..! Ainda bhi jate rahe isi tarah to Inshallah aik din zror Deobandi ban k niklo gae.!

Makki masjid 1 baar nahi kaafi baar gaya hun mein. Alhumdulillah mein Sunni sirf iss liye nahi ke Sunni ke ghar paida huwa! Humari ilaqay ki masjid ki Jamat ke Ameer huwa karte thay Muhammad Amin Memon, ab maloom nahi wohi hain ke koi aur lekin becharay Makki Masjid mein bhi zaleel hi huway thay. Inn Ameer sahab se kuch sawal kiye thay, jawab mein kaha ke Makki Masjid chalo tu jawab dun ga aur waha pohanch kar sawal sun kar itna sa munh ho gaya tha kyu ke jawab un ke paas bhi nahi tha. Khair ye saray personal experiences hain jin ki debates mein koi zaroorat nahi hoti so rehne dijiye.

Rahi baat halaal khanay ki tu janab uss din woh Qorma jis Pathan ki taraf se tha woh aaj bhi barabar wali building mein hi rehta hai aur uss ka karobaar sabhi jantay hain. Mousof sood per paisa de dete hain aur waqt per wapis na milne per karzdaar ke bachay tak uthwa lete hain. So ab iss Qorma ko halaal samajh kar khana aap hi ko mubarak.

Aur deobandi ban kar nikalne ki baat tu khair se rehne hi dein. 5-6 saal deobandi madrassay mein parha hun mein. Ghafooria Masjid ke Qari Jaleel iss baat ki gawahi de dein gay. So jab Allah aur uss ke Rasool ke karam se in 5-6 saalo mein deobandari khabasat dil mein jaga nahi bana saki tu ab kya bana le gi

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Kia yaeh Sharabi aur Chichoray Insaan nahi hai? Kia yeh Sharabi aur Chichoray Musalmaan nahi hai? Kia yeh Sharabi aur Chichoary Nabi e Pak (S.A.W) Ki ummat me se nahi hai?

 

Kia in ki islah ki Zimmadari kisi pe nahi hai? Kia in ki Islaah k lea koi aur Nabi (A.S) Ae ga?

 

Sharam to nahi ae aap ko in logo ki Tehqeer krte howe. Aap k lehja se in logo se nafrat aur haqarat saaf tapak rahi hai. Dawa to bohat krte hai aap loog Eshq e Rasool ka aur un ki Ummat K Logo se itni nafraat? Aur phir aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami ka jo naara hai k”Mujhe dawat e islami se pyar hai” to Aakhir who kon log hai jin ko AaP KI Dawat E Ghair Islami Tableegh krna pasand krti hai?

 

Agr Tableeghi jamat in logo ki Hidayat aur Islah ki fikar krti hai Jin ko aap log Thukra daite hai To mear to khayal hai k yeh Tableeghi Jammat ki bohat bari khoobi hai Lagta hai k aap ki Dawat E ghair islami ko in logo se koi hamdardi nahi Aur na hi aap in ko insaan smjhte hai. Aur haan Aap un ki asleat se waqif hai to ziada khush fehmi ki zrorat nahi. aap bhi koi aise Wali Ullah nahi hai K jis ki asleat me sirf Naikiyan aur khoobiyan hi pari hoi hoooo! Aur aakhir me aap k tawas’sut se Dawat e Ghair Islami ko mai aik mashwara b daina chaho ga aur who yeh k…Zra kabhi Un HASEEN O JAMEEL AUR NO-JAWAN Bacho Ko hi sirf tableegh na kia krain bl ke in Sharabio aur Chichoray logo ki b Islah ki Fikar kijya krain!

Allah-o-Akbar! Matlab aaj tak deobandariyo ki zehni-o-ilmi nehaj wohi hai jo aaj se 5-6 saal pehlay huwa karti thi! Exactly yehi bakwaas aap ke aik deobandari bhai ne kaafi pehlay ki thi. Aap ne aaj phir typical deobandari jahalaat yaad dila di. Chaliye ab jawab bhi sun lijiye;

Sharabi aur iss tarah ke guneh'gaar be'shakk musalmaan hain aur inn ki islah issi ummat ke logo per hai. Ho gaya aap ke sawal ka jawab ab agay aiye.

In ki tehqeer mein ne kab aur kaisay ki ye bhi zara bataiye. Aap mere lehjay ko nafrat bhara andaaz kehtay hain aur ye waqai bilkul theek hai. Mujhay nafrat hai lekin zara deobandari dimaagh ki batti jala kar soochiye ke nafrat kis se hai? Nafrat uss banday se nahi uss ke haram aamal se hai. Ab woh aur baat hai ke aap ko sharabiyo ki sharab peenay ki aadat se, zaaniyo ke zina karne ki aadat se pyaar ho lekin mujhay inn kism ki cheezo se nafrat hi hai.

Rahi baat ke Dawat-e-Islami kin logo ko dawat deti hai tu unn logo mein aisay loog bhi aatay hain balkay aisay logo ko tu islah ki zyada zaroorat hai. Iss per kisay aiteraaz hai?

Asal masla tu ye hai ke Dawat-e-Islami aisay logo ko dawat deti hai, na ke inhay muballigh bana kar doosro per ghalat impact daalti hai. Jaisa ke mein pehlay aap ki jamat ka tareeqa-e-wardaat bayan kar chuka tu aisay agar aap ke paas 2 mullo ke sath 3 sharabi Islam ki dawat dene aien gay tu general banday ke dil mein yehi baat aye gi ke khud ye sharabi hain aur humein deen sikhanay aye hain. Umeed hai ke ab baat samajh aa rahi hogi aap ki aqal mein.

Mein ne inn sharabiyo ko deen ki dawat dene per aiteraaz nahi kya, inn sharabiyo ko sudharay baghair inn se deen ki dawat dilwanay ko ghalat kaha hai. Aap ki tablighi jamaat karti kya hai aakhir! Aisay logo ko pakar kar seh'roozay per le gaye! Chaliye janab seh'rooza lag gaya ab aoo Saturday night pe ayyashi karein. Aur jo awaam inki harkatein dekhti hai woh ye kehti hai ke ye aye thay humein seh'roozay per le janay.

Tabligh-e-deen uss ka kaam hai jo khud iss layak ho ke loog uss ki baat ko sunay aur samjhein. Aap ki tablighi jamat ka tu motto ye hai ke bus tabligh per chalo aur tabligh kartay kartay khud sudhar jao gay! Tabligh ka jo criteria aap ki tablighi jamat ka hai woh aap mujhay kisi hadith, kisi aqwal-e-aimma gharz kisi bhi mustanadd qoul se sabit kar dijiye. Dawat-e-Islami aisay logo ko thukraati nahi balkay inhay deen ki dawat de kar islaah karti hai. Na ke inhi sharabiyo ki islaah huway baghair inhay Mubaligh bana kar apna tamasha banwati hai.

Aap ki iss jahilana taqreer mein aap ne sab se zyada zor issi baat per dya ke hum aisay logo se nafrat kartay hain, inhay insaan nahi samajhtay waghaira waghaira. Uss ki wazahat tu mein kar chuka ke mein ne kaha kya tha, aur aap ka deobandari dimaagh samjha kya tha. Ab aiye aap ko tablighi jamaat ki ummat se muhabbat ki daastanay dikhao..

Tafseelat ke mutabiq Hameed Ali Park New Samnabad ka Muhammad Iqbal jo apnay ilaqay mein "Masjid-e-Siddiqui-e-Akbar" ki anjuman ka sadar tha, Raiwind ki Tablighi Jamat ki shuhrat aur mazhabi jazbaat se maghloob ho kar apnay doost Muhammad Khan ke saath Tablighi Jamat ke ijtimaa mein shamil howa, jaha Muhammad Khan nay aalam-e-jazbat mein Naara-e-Risalat aur Baba Shah Jamal Zindabad ka naara bulund kya. Jis per raat ko taqreeban 1 bajay jamat ke muntazimm ussay waha se utha kar lay gaye. Subha ko Muhammad Iqbal ibadat se farigh ho kar apnay dost ki talash mein nikla to masjid ke peechay aik godown mein uss ne Muhammad Khan ko chatt se ulta latka paya jis ko chand afraad dando se zadd-o-koob kar rahay thay. Iqbal nay under jaa kar unn ko rookna chaha to unho nay ussay bhi pakar kar bitha lya aur kaha ke hamaray Molvi sahab aa kar faisla karein gay.

Godown mein pehlay se 4 larkay aur bhi unho ne band kiye howay thay. Molvi sahab aye aur aatay hi Iqbal ke sarr per danda de mara jis se Iqbal bay`hosh ho gaya. Bay`hooshi ke dooran unho nay ussay bhi chatt se ulta latka diya aur dando se zadd-o-koob karna shuru kar dya. Hoosh mein aa kar uss ne phir chillana shuru kya ke woh koi choor nahi hai, Siddiqu-e-Akbar masjid ka Sadar hai.

Baad`izaa Molvi ka aik karinda Bus mien bitha kar inhay gashi ki halat mein Lahore lay aya aur Ganga Raam Hospital mein farzi hadsay ki daastan suna kar unhay dakhil karwa dya. Jab Iqbal ko hoosh aya to uss ne apni Biwi Naseem Begum ko sari daastan sunai. Iss waqiye ka doosra zakhmi Muhammad Khan abhi tak bay`hooshi ki halat mein bistar-e-marg per sisak raha hai aur apna dimaaghi tawazunn kho chuka hai."

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"Tablighi Jamat ke mullao nay Tablighi Jamat ke ijtimaa mein shareek honay walay Lahore ke jin 2 mehnat`kasho per tashaddud kya tha unn mein se aik Muhammad Iqbal zakhmo ki taab na latay howay Services Hospital mein jaa`bahaq ho gaya aur uss ki laash baghair post-mortem kiye dafna di gai. Jab ke doosray zakhmi Muhammad Khan ki halat intihai tashweesh naak hai.

Matoofi ki laash ka uss ki bewa Naseem Begum ki darkhuwast per Deputy Commissioner ke hukum per qabar se nikaal kar post-mortem karwaya gaya. Matoofi ki bewa ne ye bayan bhi dya hai ke mulzimaan uss per dabao daaltay rahay hain ke woh muqaddmay ki pairwee na karay. Iss silsilay mein ussay 10000 Rs. ka lalach bhi dya gaya aur inkaar ki soorat mein sangeen nataij bughatnay ki dhamki bhi di gai.

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"Chand rooz qabl Rooznama "Hayat" say aik mulaqaat ke dooran Matoofi Muhammad Iqbal nay kaha tha ke mulzimaan ne ussay dhamki di hai ke agar uss ne mulzimaan ke khilaaf Police ko kuch bataya to ussay Zehreela teeka lagwa kar halak kar diya jaye ga. Iss ke baad matoofi ko uss ke lawahiqeen nay Services Hospital mein dakhil kar dya tha."

Daily Hayat, Daily Mashriq, Nawa-e-Waqt = 20-21 November 1977

Kasoori Scandal....Tablighi Jamat ka aik aur Qatal jis per kaafi hangama bhi howa tha.

"Kasoor, 28 June, 1976;

Maqami Police nay Kohat ke aik shakhs Sharbat Khan ko aik muammar namazi Haji Muhammad Khan ke qatl ke ilzaam mein giriftaar kar ke tehqeeqat shuru kar di hai. Bayan kya jata hai ke mulzim Sharbat Khan jo ke Zila Kohat ka rehnay wala hai aur Raiwind ki Tablighi Jamat ka rukn hai, woh Kot Haleem Khan ki Meenar Wali masjid mein namaz parh raha tha ke uss ne Haji Muhammad Khan say mazhabi masail per jab behes ki to ussay maqtool ke aqeeday aur apnay aqeeday ke mubayyana ikhtilaaf ki waja se sakht ranj pohancha. Jiss per uss nay ghussay mein aa kar Haji Muhammad Khan ko danday se peetna shuru kar dya jis ki wajeh se Haji Muhammad Khan shadeed zakhmi ho gaye. Uss ki sheekh-o-pukaar sun kar jab rahgeer Masjid mein aye to uss ko khoon mein latt patt paya jis per mulzim bhaagnay ki koshish ki lekin logo nay ussay pakar kar Police ke hawalay kar diya. Baad`izaa Haji Muhammad Khan nay zakhmo ki taab na latay howay hospital mein damm toor dya."

(Rooznama Nawa-e-Waqt, 29 June, 1976)

Jhaddo, 14 April, 1981

Police nay aik shaks Yar Muhammad Rind ko giraftar kya hai jis ne apni 2 biwiyo ko jala kar teesri ka gala ghoont kar halak kar dya kyu ke ussay un ke chaal challan per shakk tha.

Tafseelat ke mutabiq Jumardad Canal se aik na`maloom khatoon ki laas aik bori mein band mili jis ke haath paao bandhay howay thay. Matoofia ki laash ko uss ke bhai ne shanakht kar lya. Mazeed tehqeeat ke baad maloom howa ke maqtoola ko uss ke shohar Yar Muhammad Rink ne qatal kya jo kahi maah tak Tablighi dooray per rehnay ke baad wapis howa tha. Bataya jata hai ke doray se wapisi per uss nay apni biwi per bad`chalni ka ilzaam aieed kya aur uss ka gala ghoont kar halak kar dya.

Tehqeeqat ke doran ye bhi maloom howa ke mulzim ne iss se pehlay apni 2 biwiyo ko issi ilzaam ke tehat jala kar halaak kar dya tha, jab woh taweel tablighi dooray se wapis howa tha.

(Rooznama Hurriyat, 14th April, 1981)

Tablighi Jamat ki khud`saakhta shariat!

"Peshawar, numainda Jung;

Qabaili lashkar ne Bara mein 19 February ko munaqqid honay walay Tablighi Ijtimaa ke silsilay mein ye ailaan kya tha ke agar kisi bhi shakhs ne Tablighi Ijtima mein choori ko to uss ka ghar jala dya jaye ga, uss ke ilawa uss se 5 lakh rupay jurmana wasool kya jaye ga. Qabaili Lashkar ko jab Sipah-e-Qabeela ke aik Major ke baray mein ittila mili ke uss ne Tablighi Ijtima mein choori ki hai to lashkar ke musallah qabailiyo ne Major ke makaan ko aag laga kar jala dya."

(Daily Jang, Lahore, 16 March, 1987)

Chillay ka Kharcha;

"Sargodha ke sanat kaar choudri Khalil ke ghar daka dalnay walay 3 mulziman ko uss waqt giraftaar kar lya jab mulzim Madni Masjid Sargodha mein Tablighi Jamat ke ijtima mein darss sun rahay thay. Mulzim Zahid, Saeed aur Rauf nay Police ko bataya ke woh Rehman Pura Sargodha se talluq rakhtay hain aur unho ne Tablighi Jamat waloo se wada kar rakha tha ke woh Tablighi Jamat mein shamil ho kar 40 rooz ka chilla poora karein gay aur chillay ke ikhrajaat pooray karnay ke liye ye pehli wardaat thi."

(Daily Jang, Lahore, 7th July, 1986)

  peer2009 said:

jinab bsuy is liye ke mery office ka external and internal audit he saal 2008 ka us me busy hoon. aur kitne arse baad reply diya he me ne. aap kiuoon as usual tohmet me lage hien wake up. yar . jago bahye

Dec se chalta ya audit lagta hai ab qayamat tak chalta hi rahe ga! Khair mera sawal ye nahi tha ke aap kaha busy hain. Mera sawal ye hai ke agar aap waqai mein busy hain tu phir ye doosray topics mein posts karne ka time kaha se milta hai. Agar time mil hi jata hai tu usooli tour tu aap ki apni baat ki laag rakhtay huway pehlay woh topic hi create karna chaihye tha. So mere ilzaam ko tuhmat tu aap martay dum tak sabit nahi kar sakte is liye bekar ka roona band kijiye aur waqai sachay hain tu aap ki agli post uss topic ki soorat mein hi nazar aani chahiye warna phir bilawajeh aap ka aur tamasha bane ga.

  abuowais said:

Bhai jan meray pehlay ye samjh lo mein deobandi nahi hoon....aur aap jo ye zabardasti Anwar shah kashmiri sahab ki qabar ke star ko star of David banana cha rahe ho ..ye samjh lo ke Anwar shah kashmiri sahab ka intiqaal May-1933 mein hoa tha aur ye star of David jo logon mein mushoor hoa hay 1948 mein hoa hay....1948 mein israel ne usa apne flag mein lagaya...aur doosri sab se bari baat dono stars mein bohot farq hay ..mulahiza farma lijyee.....mein phir keh raha hoon mein deobandi nahi hoon aur mera unlogon se kuch lena dena nahi hay ..is liye mazeed unlogo ki batein mujh sa karne beth jana...

Aap apni lutya khud hi dubanay aye hain warna iss topic mein tu mein ne aap ka naam tak nahi lya:) Aap ko shoul hai zaleel honay ka tu aur baat hai aur waisay bhi ab tu aap apna tamasha banwanay ka samaan bhi muhaiyya kar chukay. Tu chaliye aap ko Star of David ki story bhi suna dete hain.

Aap kehtay hain ke;

  اقتباس

ye samjh lo ke Anwar shah kashmiri sahab ka intiqaal May-1933 mein hoa tha aur ye star of David jo logon mein mushoor hoa hay 1948 mein hoa hay....1948 mein israel ne usa apne flag mein lagaya

Meri ye samajh nahi aata ke jab aap ko kisi cheez ki maloomat nahi tu uss per lab'kushai kartay hi kyu hain? Aap ke ba'qoul "Star of David" logo mein 1948 mein mashoor huwa. Tu iss se aap ki kya muraad hai ke iss se pehlay logo ko Star of David ka nahi pata tha? Janab 1948 mein isay Israel ne apnay National Flag ke symbol ke tour per istimaal kya, lekin is ka matlab ye nahi ke iss se pehlay Star of David ka koi concept hi na tha.

Zyada intense search ki zaroorat nahi, ye oldest Jewish scripture ki picture aap ko wikipedia per bhi mil jaye gi. The caption says;

"The Star of David in the oldest surviving complete copy of the Masoretic text, the Leningrad Codex, dated 1008."

Iss ke ilawa bhi kaafi aisay shawahid hain jis se Star of David ke kaafi qadeem honay ke saboot miltay hain. Aap kahein tu baqi tafseel bhi likh do ga.

Ab aiye aap ke doosray point ke taraf;

  اقتباس

aur doosri sab se bari baat dono stars mein bohot farq hay ..mulahiza farma lijyee

Awwal tu mein sachay dil se keh raha hun aap ka bareek mushahida acha laga magar afsoos ke saath kehta hun ke ye mushahida intihai be'waqoofana hai.

Aap ne dono symbols mein

1. Dono symbols ke centre mukhtalif hain

2. Jewish symbol ke 6 corners same hain jabke Anwar Shah ki qabar ke symbol ke 2 corners chootay hain

3. Jewish symbol mein inner 6 gaps hain aur Anwar Shah walay symbol mein 4 hain.

Aap geometric symmetry se ya phir Star of David ya even deegar religious symbols se waqif hotay tu ye baat na karte. Star of David is actually a Hexa-angular Star, a typical Hexagram! Ye mera apna qoul nahi balkay Religious symbolism mein ye Hexagram kafi known hai. Now let me explain what a "Hexagram" is;

Sab se simplest definition jo aap ko ba'asani mil jaye gi is that;

A hexagram is a six-pointed geometric star figure.

Merriam-Webster says;

A plane figure that has the shape of a 6-pointed star,

So the thing you missed or misunderstood is ke that Jewish Symbol "Star Of David" is based on a Hexagram. Aur Hexagram ki definitation aap parh chukay so whats inside of that Hexagram doesnt make a difference at all. Simply 6 koono wala star is a Hexagram. Hexagram ki kisi bhi definition mein ye nahi ke inn 6 kono ke andar ke khanay kitnay hon, 4 ya 6 iss se hexagram ka taluqq hi nahi. Hexagram ki base hai uss ke outwards points not the inward space. So basically aap ke teeno aiterazaat ka simply radd tu Hexagram ki basic geomatrical definition se hi ho jata hai.

Jews ke is Symbol ki base sirf or sirf Hexagram hai aur iss ki detail bhi agay bayan karta hun, filhaal aap Jews mein is Star of David ke mukhatlif design dekh lijiye. Saray alag alag hain but they're all known as Star of David.

Jews ke iss Hexagram ko apna symbol bananay ki theory bhi kafi ajeeb-o-ghareeb hai. Sari'sari info de raha baqi tafseel aap israar karein tu paish kar do ga;

[/size]The Star of David comprises two of the three letters in the name David. In its Hebrew spelling (דוד), it contains only three characters, two of which are "D" (or "Dalet", in Hebrew). In the Paloe-Herbew alphabet, the standard alphabet for writing Hebrew before the Babylonian captivity, this letter was written in a form much like a triangle, similar to the Greek letter Delta (Δ), with which it shares a sound and the same (4th) position in their respective alphabets, as it does with Latin. The symbol may have been a simple family crest formed by flipping and juxtaposing the two most prominent letters in the name.

Aap iss "Delta" ko flip and juxtapose kar ke dekh lijiye kya banta hai! Furthermore;

The 15th-century kabbalist, Isaac Arama, claimed that Psalm 67, later known as the "Menorah Psalm" because of its *seven verses (plus an introductory verse), was engraved on David's shield in the form of a menorah. Another tradition suggests that Isaiah 11:2, enumerating the six aspects of the divine spirit, was inscribed on the shield in the outer six triangles of the hexagram.3

In 17th-century Vienna, the Jewish quarter was separated from the Christian quarter by a boundary stone inscribed with a hexagram on one side and a cross on the other, the first instance of the six-pointed star being used to represent Judaism as a whole, rather than an individual community.

(Ref: 1 Scholem, "The Star of David; History of a Symbol," in The Messianic Idea in Judaism, 271; 2 Gittin 68a; 3 Eder, the Star of David, 73)

  khawaja said:

bAHI pata nahi app logoun ma itni jelousy kyun ha.Agar yah he molana tariq jamlee dawt-e-islami ma hotay tu app inn sa acha kisi ku kheta hee na.BAhio jelousy ku choroo aur deen ku pheylana kaa kaaam kerooo.Abhi abb ke jaamat new ha tableeag waloun sa maaadad loo iass ma sharm ke koi baat nahi ha aur media campaign kaaam keroo aur apnaay kaam paar tuwaja dooo.aur apnay tv paar cds sales kernaa be kaaam kerooo koi kaaam kee baat kero jiass sa faida hooo.AUR MOLANA SAAB apni kitab faizan-e-sunat ma kheta haien tasveer banana jaiz nahi app khud hee apni mashoouri ka liya tv par air tasveer banatay haien.aur apnay taaamam tv paar aynay walay muqarar ku kheyta haien ka haar baatmar meri tareef keroo.media compain ma yahoodi be bhait taiz haien aur app ke jamtaa be.

Allah hi janay ke aap ko iss mein "jealousy" kaha nazar aiee! Aap ki be'tukki mantak ko le kar kal tu Qadiani bhi bolay gay ke ye sunni hum se jealous hain!

Janab ikhtilafaat jealousy ki bina per nahi balkay ghaleez aqaid aur chichoori harkatu per hain. Aap ne apnay chaheetay mullay ki durgatt bantay dekhi tu isay jealousy qaraar de dya lekin tafseel se poori thread parhne ki aap koi toufiq nahi huwi. Tariq Jamil Tablighi Jamat ke hi hain, aur Tablighi Jamat deobandiyo ki hai aur beauty parlour ke baray mein Deobandi muftay ka Fatwa aap parh saktay hain. Ab ye kaam kar bhi aap hi loog rahay hain aur usay bura bhi aap hi keh rahein hain. Hum ne tu sirf haqeeqat samnay rakhi hai.

Rahi baat deen ko phailanay ki tu deen masjido mein raatein basar karne se nahi phaila! Aap ki ye tablighi jamat kis tarah deen phailaati hai hum ba'khoobi jantay hain. So iss mouzo per agar baat karni hai tu alehda thread bana lein. Filhaal tu yaha iss thread per jo baat ho rahi hai ussay divert na karein.

  peer2009 said:

loll. acha latifa banaya he keep growing..

 

 

Smart bahyee. esa hi hota he aap dosry forum me do to wazaeh jawab milta he yahan nahi he esa sorry

Hazrat hawala aap ke samnay hai. Jawab hai tu dijiye, warna bongiya marne se kuch sabit nahi hoga. Dono scans aap ke apnay hi risalay ke hain. Chaliye shabaash ab apnay baray deobandariyo se raabta kijiye iss ke jawab ke liye kyu aap ki apni tu itni ilmi auqaat hai nahi ke aap iss ka jawab dein.

  peer2009 said:

Aap se is zyada ki umeed bhi nahi! Waisay dunya mein kam hi loog hain jo apni zalalat per khush hotay hain.

  peer2009 said:

jinab eik to me busy hoon dosra me bemare bhi waqt milne per aap se bat ho gi dont worry

Hairat hai janab! Aap kehtay hain ke aap busy hain aur beemar bhi, lekin phir bhi apni yaqeen'dihani ke ba'wajoud aap woh topic create nahi kartay aur doosray topics mein bila'wajeh uchal kood kar ke apna tamasha banwatay hain.

Mera simple sawal ye hai ke aap waqai busy hain tu inn doosray tamaam topics mein reply karne ka time kaha se aata hai?

  peer2009 said:

Munna786 . is ka jawab aap ko mila tha eik forum per per aap ne apne bahiuoon ki terha aker post ki aur gahieb ho gaye . ya sahyed aap ko jo jawab mila us me himmet peda na hosa ki yaha to aap ko wah wah mille gi na.

Inn kamo mein tu aap master hain janab, zara apne girebaan mein tu jhaankiye. Woh aap hi hain na jisn ne private messages mein aik alehda topic banane ki yaqeen'dihani karwae thi aur tab se ab tak faraar hain? Be'ghairti ki sari haddein tu already paar kar chukay hain aap, ab aur kya chahtay hain?

  اقتباس

aru anti bralvi bahyee . koye faida nahi . yaha aap ki pukar sunnan wal koye nahi he. in ke samne hazaron dalleili rakho lakeer ke fakeer he rahien ge. kash ke in ko samjh ajye. meri dua he ke in ko hadayet mille.

Bus yehi auqaat hai aap ki. Aaiye aur aa kar apnay loota'baradraan ki posts per awaazein kassiye. Iss se zyada kuch aap se ho bhi nahi sakta. Waisay ab tak aap ne ya aap ke loota'chaap bhai ne kaun si daleel paish kar di? Aap kehtay hain mein khud Saudia mein hun, aa kar dekh lo ye daleel hai? Miya jee hawa hawai batein na karein, koi saboot bhi paish karein.

  اقتباس

Saybrite. aap ki jhoot ke daad deni perhi gi .yar me saudia me rehta hoon mujh se ziyada aap jante ho ge.

Saudia mein aap rehtay hain tu mien aap se zyada kaisay jaan sakta hun? Aur kaun sa jhoot bol dya mein ne janab. Usay jhoota sabit kiye baghair mujhay jhoota kehna tu tuhmat hai. Mein ne tu Saudi Kitab ka scan tak paish kar diya.

  اقتباس

kiyaa p ko ghieb ka ilem he ke yahan pabandi he. ajao yar me ALLAh ko hazir nazir jan ker kehta hoon ke esa nahi he. aru city kapata nahi AL-khober paksitani embasy school me masjid me raat ko faziel amal ki taleem hoti he. aur jamtien ati hein nikalti hien. han iek he itan oppenly nahi hota jitna pak ma ya kaye aur hota he.

Mein ne jo baat ki hai saboot ki saath ki hai. Aap dil ki aankh se tu andhay hain hi sarr ki aankho se andhay ho gaye hain lagta hai. Saudia mein rehtay hian tu thori bohut Arabic aati hi hogi, phir bhi kehtay hain ke mujhay kaisay ilm huwa!

Waisay apna bhaanda aap ne khud hi phoor dya! Aap kehtay hain ke iss Al-Khobair ya jo bhi masjid hai yaha Fazail-e-Aamal ki taleem hoti hai aur jamatein bhi nikalti hain magar itna openly nahi.

Awwal tu Fazail-e-Aamal itself Saudia mein banned hai. Aksar-o-baishtar airport per hi pakar kar cheen li jati hai iss baat ki kaee gawah paish kar sakta hun jo khud deobandi hain. Aur chaliye maan lya ke kuch ban nahi, koi pa'bandi nahi tu phir chooro ki tarah munh chupa kar kyu jamatein nikalti hain? Openly jis tarah Indo-Pak ya baqi dunya mein kaam hota hai waisay kyu nahi? Zahir hai ke pabandi hai issi wajeh se warna deen ka kaam chup chup ke karna?? Mein pehlay hi keh chuka ke choro ki tarah munh chupa ke tu dunya mein her kaam ho jata hai. Qadiyanis bhi Pakistan mein officially tu ban hain na? Phir bhi chup chupa ke (kuch saalo se tu khul) kar kaam kar hi rahay hian na? Tu kya aap ye kahein gay ke Qadiyanio per ban hai hi nahi?

Khair ab mazeed saboot paish karne ki tu koi zaroorat hi nahi reh jaati kyu ke apni zaban se aap khud hi iqraar kar chukay ke Tablighi Jamat Saudia mein chooro ki tarah chup chup ke kaam karti hai!

  اقتباس

aur haan eik baat yad rako sare baralvi hazraat. in gider bakhtiuoon se kcuh nahi hota ALLHAMDULILLAH. punjab jahan bidatiuoon ka gher tha ab unhi gahroon se log jamat me jok dher jok arahien hien. is liya koye kehne ki zaroret nahi he. aab aap tliyan bajao. jo marzi karo sannu ki.

jitan marzi ilzam lagao shikul hadith ki shan me jitni cahyeh gusstakhi karo. per jo mukam woh pa chukke aap ke bare bhi nahi pasakte honge. its surelly chellenged.

Kya piddi aur kya piddi ka shorba!

Geedar'bhapkiya hota hai asal lafz, pehlay Urdu tu seekh lijiye janab. Waisay aik baat maan gaye deobandiyo. Be'ghairati be'sharmi mein aap ka koi saani nahi! Punjab mein kya pooray Pakistan kya, sari dunya mein aksariyat aaj bhi aisay Sunniyo ki hi hai ke jin ke bunyaadi aqaid wohi hain jo Ahle'Sunnat wa'Jamat Barelwi ke hain. Sunni ginnay hun tu Milad-un-Nabi (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) ke juloos mein hi chalay jana, gintay gintay deobandi nasal ki ungliya khatam ho jaye gi lekin Sunniyo ke sarr kam na hongay!

Baqi mujhay ye taqreerein karna pasand nahi. Baat woh sahi jo dalail-o-saboot ke saath ho. Waisay miya Reehab urf Peer2009, uss topic ka tu kuch jawab dijiye. Bari bay'chaini se intizaar hai aap ke dalail dekhne ka . Ghabraiyatt matt! Maroo ga thori aap ko waha, sirf baatein honi hai. Aur ab ye jhoot matt booliye ga ke time nahi kyu ke agar aap ke paas time nahi tu phir doosray topics mein posts karne ka time kaha se milta hai?

Umeed hai iss baar himmat karein gay aap !

  Anti-Barelvi said:

Teesri Baat! Jo k Aap ki posting se hi Bughaz ki tarah tapkti hai.......woh yeh k Suadi Arab Aur Egypt me Tableeghi Jamat ki entry pe pabandi hai........SHayed Aap Is dunya me nahi rahtay........Aur agr rehtay b hain to Sari Dunya ko Jahalat ki AENAK lga k daikhte hai. Mere Munnah! Alhamdulilah Aap ki Ittalah k lea Arz hai k Tableeghi Jamat Saudia Arab me b baqaedigi se ja rahi hai aur Egypt me bhi........! Aur Hajj Aur Umrah Aur Ramazan me Khasosi toor pe Jamatain Waha pe jati hai. Same is the Case with Egypt! Meharbani farma k Ghlat bayani na farmae aur Dunya ko Ghalat Info na Btaya krain! Arg Aap ko pta hai to "Lanat Ullah Hi Alal Kazeebaan" Ki ZaD Me na ae aur agr nahi pta to jis Topic pe info na hoo us pe apni Khama Farsae na farmae to behter ho ga!

Aap ki jahalat se sach bolnay wala Lanatullahe al' al'kadhibeen mein tu count nahi kya jaye ga na. Munh'chuppa ke chooro ki tarah tu The-bug-league kahi bhi pohanch jaati hogi, yaha baat ho rahi hai ussi tarah functional jamat ki jaisay Indo-Pak mein hai. Filhaal ye parh lijiye;

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Jaha tak Israel me Jamat k jane k ta'aluq hai.......to is me kia ghalat baat kia hai....?

Aakhir waha pe b to Allah Aur Us k bar haq Deen ki TABLEEGH pohnchani farz hai na! Woh b to insaan hai.........Hazoor e Pak (S.A.W) ki ummat hai..Agarcha ghair Muslim hai......Aur Tableegh me Musalmano ki Islah aur Ghair Muslimo ki Hidayat ki hi to fikr ki jati hai.......Aur AAp shayed sun kr Jealous ho k Alhamdulilah Tablleghi Jmaat is waqt Taqreeban Dunya k Hr Mulk me Kam kr rahi hai.......Aur Log Joq dr Joq Tableegh se Mutassir ho kr Apni Dunya o Akhrat ko swarne ki koshish me lage howe hai........!

Kunway ke maindak wali baat kardi aap ne. Aap ko shayad maloom nahi magar Israel mein tamaam Islamic Organizations/Groups officially government ki taraf se hi ban hai. Aap Jamat ki baat kartay hain, Israel ne Cat Stevens (the British signer, a Muslim convert Yusuf Islam) per Peace Concert mein anay per bhi ban laga dya tha, jamati kaam tu phir durr ki baat hai!

Sari dunya ki Islami jamaato banned hain Israel mein magar zahir hai ke apni aulaad se kis ko nafrat ho sakti hai iss liye sirf The-bug-league is doing their "work" there.

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Ab zra mujh ko itna btana Munnah je k Woh khair se Aap logo ne b Tableeghi Jammat se Mutassir ho k apni aik Nam Nehad si Jamat bnae hoi hai jis ko aap log "MADNI QAFILA" Kehte hoo...........Woh b kahee jati hai k Bus Multan me hi Josh e Muhabbat dikhate phirte hai?

Mera to Khayal hai.......k .........Us "Madni Qafila" ki range Out of Pakistan to kaheen b nahi hogi? Hai na? Agr hai to plz mujh ko zra info daian! Aur yad aya k khair se "Madni Qafila" ne Sub Tarteeb " Tableeghgi Jamaat" hi ki naql kr k bnae hai........Warna Kha Tablleghi Jamaat jo k 1947 se b pehle ki Start hai..........Aur kaha "madni qafila" jo ab kahe ja k bana! To kia khayal hai munnah ji.........!

Alhumdulillah Dawat-e-Islami ki janib se na tu galiyo mein chapa'maar team bhaiji jaati hai jo young larko ko pakar pakar kar zabardasti seh'rozay aur chillay per bezaar kar ke ghaseetay hain aur na hi naswaari Pathano ko ko jama kar ke apni jamat ka count barhatay hain. Na hi Dawat-e-Islami logo ko pakar kar Shab-e-Juma ke naam per zabardasti Makki Masjid ki 1 dish party mein le jati hai. Kahi se Qorma aa raha hai tu kahi se kuch. Gaya bhi kaafi baar hun magar khaya is darr se nahi ke kahi Kawwa Qorma hi na ho!

Garden East, Karachi mein rehta hun mein aur yaha ye The-bug-league bharay paray hain aur aksar-o-baishtar baray ajeeb-o-ghareeb lateefay hotay hain. Iss the-bug-league ki "Gashti Team" ke Tareeqa-e-wardaat se tu aap waqif hi hon gay. Pehlay aik ko pakartay hain phir ussi ko saath mei le kar doosray ko, phir doosray ko saath le kar teesray ko and so on. So kaee baar tu aisa hota hai ke humaray muhallay ke top class chichooray sharabi mawaliyo ke samait ye toola hum tak pohanchta hai aur woh chichooray sharabi becharay aankhein tak nahi mila patay kyu ke woh khud bhi jantay hain ke hum unki asliyat se waqif hain.

Tu kehnay ka maqsad ye ke Dawat-e-Islami ki tableegh aur The-bug-league mein zameen aasman ka farq hai.

Rahi baat ke Dawat-e-Islami dunya mein kaha kaha Islam ki dawat de rahi tu simply google per search kar lijiye . Sooraj ko chiraagh dikhanay ki be'waqoofi mein tu nahi karo ga.

Note: abuowais ki last post ka reply kartay huway mujh se zara ghalti ho gai. Actually reply ke bajaye Edit per click kar ke apna reply post kar dya jis ki bina per aap ki post ka kuch hisa delete ho gaya. Mein iss ke liye maaz'rat khuwa hun.

  Saeedi said:

jitni bhi tashree aap ne ki he is hadees ki zara kisi Muhaddis ka hawala bhi de dete ke falan falan muhaddis ye kehte hein...aap ke baat par kaysee koi aetabaar kare..ye to sari batein aap ne khusd apni marzi se banai he...logon ko bewaqoof banana chor dein...Imamo ka hawala do..Bare Muhaddis jo pehle ke hein..AAP KE NAHIN.

Aap ki isi baat se aap ke dooghlay'panay ka muzahira hota hai. Saeedi bhai ki post ke jawab mein aap kehtay hain ke zaati raye na dein balkay aqwal-e-muhaditheen paish karein, lekin be'sharmi ki intiha dekhiye ke aap ne khud bhi sirf hadith hi quote ki hai. Iss hadith ko le kar apna mouqiff sabit karne mein tu aap ne bhi abhi tak kisi Muhadith ki sharah quote nahi ki, sirf tarjuma paish hi kiya hai.

Waisay Saeedi bhai ne jo hamza istehfaam ke mahzoof honay ka usool bayan kya hai uss per tu kuch booliye? Ya aap ke nazdeek ye usool bhi ghalat hai, agar ghalat hai tu phir iss zaman mein bhi koi daleel paish kijiye.

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mushahiday[/b] par nahi hogi....jis ayat ka hawla aap ne diya kay kay (Aye Nabi hum aap ko bulayinge doosre ummat par gawahi ke liye) zara is ayat ko pura parh lo agay likha ...HUM NE AAP PAR KITAAB NAZIL KI HAY JIS MEIN HUM NE HAR CHEEZ KE BARAY MEIN KHOL KHOL KAR BAYAAN KIA HAY..

 

Rasool Allah ko doosri ummaton par gawahi ke liye is liye bulaya jaega kay wo ummatein inkaar kar dengi kay hamare pass koi rasool aya hi nahi..to Rasool Allah ko bulaya jaega..wo bolenge haan ye tamaam peghambar in ummaton mein aaey the...Rasool Allah jo gawahi denge wo Quran ki bunyaad par hogi...Ke Quran mein likha hoa hay ke ye tamaam peghamber in ummaton mein aae thay...NA KE MUSHAHIDE KI BUNYYAD PAR

 

To jo ayat aap ne code ki hay..gawahi wali zara aik dafa ghor se parho..age likha hay...(HUM NE AAP PAR KITAAB NAZIL KI HAY JIS MEIN HUM HAR CHEEZ KHOL KHOL KAR BAYAAN KI HAY)

Hum se muhaditheen ki sharah ka mutaliba kartay hain aur khud Quran ki ayat per Tafsir bil'raye ko apnaye huway hain. Janab iss ayat per aap ne jo khud'sakhta tafsir paish ki iss per bhi koi kyu aitebaar kare? Ab zara jaldi se iss ayat per Mustanad Tafasir paish karein.

Saeedi bhai ne tu Ayat ke saath Tafsir-e-Qurtubi ka hawala bhi de dya. Ab aik mustanadd tafsir ke samnay apnay ke qoul ki kiya auqaat?

Baqiya post ka jawab jald hi aye ga, filhaal to load-shedding time!

  Abdulsalam said:

Janab main ne messege main chupi dhamki ka zikr kia tha or aap ne us per amal bhi kar diya...........

is ka sirf aik matlab hai ke aap ke paas na to Nad-e-Alliya ki koi sanad hai na hi koi mustanid hawala.

lehaza jawab aap ke paas na humnye ki wajah se aap ne is ko delete kar diya hai

agar ghairat aap main hi to aap us pos ko un-delete kar dain takye logon ko pata chalye ke kia siyasi bayan bazi ki thi main ne...............

 

Ye to aap ka kehna hai ke "siyasi bayan bazi" zara awam ko bhi to pata chalye ke kia siyasi bayan bazi thi woh........?

hai himmat to logon ko dikhayen.

 

ab agar ye post delete ko gai to main ur is forum per mojood tamam log samajh jayengye ke aap ke paas ab koi hal nahin siwaye mujhye block karnye ke.......

Mujhay iss waqt aap ki halat per hansi aa rahi hai! Matlab itnay bhi be'sharm huwa jaa sakta hai! Tuff hai aisay mazhab per.

Janab sawal ko aankhien khool kar parhiye kya hai. Aur aap ka roona chalta hi rahe ga iss liye aap ki post save kar rakhi hai mein ne. Aap jis andaaz mein seedha sa sawal kiya hai ussi andaaz mein jawab de dijiye phir aap ki post dobara add kar di jaye gi.

Sanad waghaira ki tu baat hi baad mein aye gi. Filhaal tu seedhay se sawal ka jawab dijiye.

Baqi ye himmat waghaira ke lateefay na hi choorein tu behtar hai. Himmat tu pooray forum ko aap ki nazar aa hi rahi hai ke chand seedhay se sawalo ka jawab aap se nahi dya jaa raha kyu ke aap ko maloom hai ke waha aap ki sari wahabiyatt aik jhatke mein beh jaye gi!

Masla dar'asal ye hai ke ab aap ki shay'ragg pakar li gai hai. Jawab aap se naa haan mein diya jaye ga aur na hi naa mein. Dono sooraton mein zalalat aap ka muqaddar tu ban hi chuki hai tu phir kisi aik raah ko chun kar aik hi baar poori tarah zaleel ho hi jaiye ab!

Mein aap ki asaani ke liye sawalaat ba'maa sample jawab quote kiye deta hun, takay iss baar aap ko siyaasi bayaan bazi ka mouqa na milay

1. toheedi bhai ne Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah ki tasneef se Nad-e-Ali ko sabit kya. Agar aap ko iss zaman mein koi aiteraaz hai tu iss per saboot paish kijiye ke ye tasneef Shah Wali Ullah ki nahi, ya tu saboot paish kijiye ke unho iss se rujo'o kar liya.

Iss ke 3 hi jawabaat ho saktay hain.

a) Ya tu sabit kar dijiye ye tasneef Shah Wali Ullah ki nahi.

Ya tu sabit kar dijiye ke Shah Wali Ullah ne iss tasneef se rujo'o kar lya.

c) Ya tu tasleem kar lijiye ke ye Shah Wali Ullah ki hi tasneef hai aur mustanadd hai.

2. toheedi bhai ye bhi sabit kar chukay ke Shah Wali Ullah ne Sheikh Abu Tahir Kurdi se Jawahir-e-Khamsa ki ijazat hasil ki. Tu matlab Shah Wali Ullah bhi Nad-e-Ali parha kartay thay. Agar aap ko iss per aiteraaz hai tu iss ke khilaaf saboot paish karein na ke qayaas'araaiyan

Iss ke tu 2 hi jawabaat ho saktay hain

a) Ya tu sabit kijiye ke Shah Wali Ullah Nad-e-Ali nahi parha kartay thay.

Ya phir tasleem kijiye ke Shah Wali Ullah Nad-e-Ali parha karte thay

3. toheedi bhai ne tamaam shawahid paish karne ke baad kuch sawalaat kiye jin ka khulasa ye hai ke Nad-e-Ali ke wird ke baad Shah Wali Ullah Mowhid huway ya Mushrik?

a) agar Mowhid huway tu phir humien kyu Mushrik qaraar dya jata hai?

agar Mushrik huway tu phir Mushrik se Sanad-e-Hadith lenay walay, Mushrik ko Hujjat'ullah kehnay walay Mushrik kyu na huway? Aur agar Mushrik hain tu in ke khilaaf apnay kisi bhi mustanadd mufti ka fatwa paish karein.

Ye aap ke liye thora bhari sawal hai. Iss ke bhi mumkina jawabaat bata deta hun;

a) Ya tu sabit kar dijiye ke kis shariat ke hisaab se Shah Wali Ullah Nad-e-Ali parhne ke ba'wajoud bhi Mushrik nahi Mowhid hi thay.

Ya tu sabit kar dijiye ke Shah Wali Ullah Nad-e-Ali parhne ki wajeh se Mushrik huway aur iss zaman mein kisi bhi mustanadd ghair'muqallid muftay ka fatwa paish kar dein jo aap ki baat ki tasdeeq karta ho.

c) Ya phir be'sharam ho kar iqraar kar lijiye ke Shah Wali Ullah ke liye Shariat aur hai humaray liye aur. Hum Nad-e-Ali parhein tu Mushrik aur Shah Sahib parhein tu Mowhid.

  Abdulsalam said:

Main pehlye hi keh chuka hon ke main kam ilm hon... baraye meharbani aap us kahani ko dobara biyan kardain (behtar hoga ke urdu main)

behas baad main ho gi.

Hazrat woh post aap ko kya farsi mein likhi nazar aa rahi hai? Mein ne tu Urdu hi likhi ab iss Urdu ke ilawa doosri Urdu nahi aati mujhay janab.

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Jawab tu aap ne delete kar di... ab aap na manein to kya kia jaye

Jawab delete nahi kar "di" balkay kar "diya", aur uss liye delete huwa ke woh jawab nahi siyaasi bayan baazi thi. Ab iss topic per wahi baat kijiye tu zyada behtar rahe ga.

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Janab masala to yahi hai ke SIRF Nad-e-Alliya per bsed nahin, bulkye is tarha ke bohat si mouzoo Ahadith-o-aqwal per based hai

lakin ye to mantye hain na ke ye un main se aik hai?? ya ye bhi nahin mantye aap??

jesa ke aap logon ke waseeka ke silsilye main istadlali hadit (agar ke woh sahi ho to and aap ke nazdeek sahi bhi hai) ka munkir, munkir-e-hadith kehlayega to janab emaan kahan rahye ga us ke paas aap ke nazariye se? to janab ye Mushkil Kushai ka AQEEDAh (Nad-e-Alliya) hi hoa na

Ghair'mantaki si baat kar rahay hain. Chaliye ye tu aap maan hi gaye ke aqaid Nad-e-Ali per based balkay Nad-e-Ali based hai un aqaid per. Tu phir aap ne aiteraaz karna hai tu aqaid per kijiye, na ke zimni masail per. Aqeeday ko ghalat sabit kar dein gay tu zimni masail khud ba'khud ghalat sabit ho jaye gay.

Kehne ka maqsad ye ke Nad-e-Ali ko na tu farz qaraar diya gaya hai na wajib, tu phir ye dua aqeeday mein kaisay shamil ho gai? Nad-e-Ali ko aqaid mein tu tab gina jaa sakta hai ke jab ye aqeeday ke silsilay mein ye koi farz ya wajib ya Quran se bhi zyada muqaddam ho, jab ke aisa nahi hai. Nad-e-Ali ko bil'farz ghalat maan bhi liya jaye tu iss se aqeeda ghalat sabit nahi hoga, kyu ke aqeeday ki bunyaad Nad-e-Ali nahi. Tu phir bila'waja murghi ki aik taang ke misdaaq Nad-e-Ali per hi kyu atak gaye hain. Uss per aiteraaz karne ka haqq zaroor hai aap ko lekin ab isay aqeeday ki bunyaad bana kar awaam ki aankho mein dhool tu naa jhoonkiye.

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Jana Aa gaye na aap ghoom phir kar Shah Wali Ullah per....... ab aap ko kon samjhaye ke Shah Wali Ullah garhye man gir gaye (aap ke baqool) lakin khud to bachain bahi sahib... ye baat kion samajh nahin aa rahi???

ya phir aap baat ko tool de rahye hain ta ke is darmiyan sahyed kuch hawalye mil jayen denye ke liye......?

Janab humein bachane ki fiker chooriye aap sirf chand seedhay se sawalo ka seedha sa jawab de dijiye bus. Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah ke baray mein sawalaat koi zyada paischeeda bhi nahi. Aap kehien tu jawab ke samples likh do? Aur baat ko tool tu aap de rahay hain janab, warna asaan sa tareeqa tu ye hai ke jaisa sawal hai waisa seedha sa jawab de dijiye aur phir humari gardan pakar lijiye ke ab jawab de diya, ab agay ki baat karo. Lekin na'janay kyu iss ke jawab dene ki baari per aap ki zaban per talay parr jatay hain.

Hum kaun sa keh rahe hain ke Shah Wali Ullah se Islam shuru hai aur unhi per khatam, lekin uss behes mein agar Shah sahab ke baray mein aik sawal poocha hai tu jawab dene mein mout kyu aa rahi hai?

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Janab Jesa ke main ne kaha tha ke Toheed per mabni har kitab is ka RADD hai, Murdon se waseela ke RADD main pesh ki gai har kitab is ka RADD hai ab aap ko our kis mustanid hawalye ki zaroorat hai

Tauheed per mabni her kitaab ya Wahabi-sakhta tauheed per mabni her kitaab jis ke hisaab se siwaye Wahabiyo ke tamaam agli pichli ummat mushrik teharti hai? Tauheed per tu Iblis ka bhi yaqeen hai bilkul aap ki tarah!

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Bhai jis amal ki sanad Hazoor-e-Akram se na milti ho usye chor do... Allah ke liye or khud ke liye..........

ya phir kam se kam sirf wo amal karo jis main Allah ke hukam ya Rasool ke hukam ki mukhalifat na hoti ho

Hazrat Sanad ki tu baat hi na karein! Aap ghair'muqallideen ko apnay ghar ki kharab nahi doosray per Shirk ki machine-gun chalaye jatay hain.

Chaliye aap sirf AIK sahih/sareeh/marfoo'/ghair'muhtamil hadith paish kardein ke namaz-e-witr mein ruk'u ke baad Imam bulund awaaz se dua-e-qunoot parhay aur muqtadi sirf ameen ameen karein.

  Abdulsalam said:

Janab Chalen main frustration main hi sahi, jesye aap khush,,,,,

janab main kam ilm hi sahi, lakin kia aap zara ani woh love marriage wali kahani dobara comma, inverted comma's and full stop ke saath biyan karengye???

Hazrat uss baat mein punctuation ki jaha zaroorat thi waha mein ne un ka istimaal zaroor kya, phir bhi agar aap ko lagta hai ke kahi ghalti hai tu bata dijiye wagarna meri nazar mein tu woh sahi andaaz mein hi likha huwa hai. Aap se agar Roman Urdu nahi parhi jaa rahi tu bata dijiye mein English mein translate kiye deta hun. Waisay aik baat ka tu pata chal hi gaya ke aap jawabi posts parhne ki zehmat hi nahi kartay warna uss post ke baad tu aap ne aik post ki thi. Agar koi baat samajh nahi aiee thi tu ussi post mein pooch liya hota.

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Rahi baat aapkye Naad-e-Alliya ke Aqeedah honye ke silsilye main to janab,

Ab aap logon ke paas is ki koi sahi sanad to mojood hi nahin, Hatta ke Mulla Ali Qari (RAH) ne is ko Mouzooat-e-Kabeer main zikr bhi isi liey kia. Lakin aap hain ke jan boojh ker garhye main girne ki koshish kar rahye hain. Is ke parnhye per MUSHKIL KUSHAI KA AQEEDAH RAKHA HOUA HAI, ab is ko aqeedah nahin kahyen to kia kahen. aap ka to ye manna hai ke Jis ke Ali momin ke wali hain, or is ko na mannye wala momin hi nahin

Awwal tu ye Nad-e-Ali ki tafseeli behs yaha karna bekaar hai. Jaha aap se jawab talb kiya gaya hai waha aap abhi tak jawab dene se qaasir hain, albatta baat ko ghuma phira kar taqreeri andaaz mein kar ke topic to khainchay zaroor jaa rahay hain.

Nad-e-Ali ka aqaid mein ginnay ke baray mein aap farmatay hain ke iss mein Mushkil Kushai ka aqeeda aata hai tu hazrat Alhumdulillah Mushkil Kushai ke zaman mein humara aqeeda waisay hi wazeh hai. Aap ko agar iss aqeeday per hi aiteraaz karna tha tu uss ke liye Nad-e-Ali ko issue bananay ki tu koi tukk hi nahi banti? Nad-e-Ali ko aqaid mein ginnay ki tuk tu tab banti ke jab Mushkil Kushai ka aqeeda Nad-e-Ali per hi based hota, jab ke aisa nahi aur ye baat aap bhi jaantay hain.

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Jahan tak baat hai DUR-GAT bannye ki to janab aap se jumlye bazi main to main jeet nahin sakta, lakin ye zaroor dikha sakta hon ke main is Dua (Dua-e-Sefi) hi ko ghalat sabit kar raha hon, lakin aap hain ke is per amal karnye walye ki misal de kar is ko jayez bata rahye hain, Ab aap kisi but(IDOL) parrast ki misal de ker IDOLISM ko sahi kahen to kia kehnye.

Hazrat mein yaha jeet haar ke liye tu aya hi nahi so ye jeet haar ki taqraar aap hi ko mubarak. Rahi baat Dua-e-Saifi ko ghalat sabit karne ki tu janab woh sari baatein tu baad mein aati hai pehlay tu aap uss thread mein paish kiye gaye seedhay se sawal ka hi jawab de dein. Aap se sawal hai Shah Wali Ullah ke baray mein aap jawab mein humein gumrahi ke garho ki kahaniya suna rahay hain. Fala parasti, dhimkana parasti ko rehne dijiye. Jo sawal waha poochay gaye hain ussi ka jawab de dejiye phir agay bhi baat karein gay.

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Ab kya kia jaye ke woh TAT-POONJYE mustanid hawalon ke saath baat kartye hai jis ki baharhal mukhalifat nahin ki jasaktim to janab phir ghumanye ke liye ilazm lagana shoroo kardetye hain ya phir ulama ki ghalitiyan dikhana shoroo kar detyen hain.....

To janab ghalati per kon hain.

Kaun se mustanadd hawalay ki baat kar rahe hain janab? Shah Wali Ullah ki tardeed mein aap ne kis mustanadd Ghair'muqallid ka hawala paish kar diya? Quran-o-Hadith ko rootay hain magar na aap mein itni ghairat-o-himmat na hi aap ke muftiyo mein itni jurrat ke khull kar Shah Wali Ullah per wohi fatwa lagaye jo hum per lagatay hain. Iss zaman mein aap ki jamat ki mukhtasir daastan mein pehlay hi bayan kar chuka hon. Apnay mullo ke liye aap ki shariat kuch aur hai aur mukhalifeen ke liye kuch aur. Yehi kitab agar Shah Wali Ullah ke bajaye Ala Hazrat ke naam se quote ki jati tu Shirk aur Biddat ke fatwo ka dhair laga dete aap.

  Abdulsalam said:

Goya ye dhamki bhi hai ke agar main ne aap ke mouqaff ko qabool na kia to aap meri posts ko delete ker daingye

Jumlye main chupa pegham to yahi hai.......

 

Wesye mulahiza karain reply post

Aap ki naqis aqal isay dhamki samjhay ya tareeqay se baat karne ka zaabta, is per meri marzi tu chal nahi sakti. Beher' haal aap ko mouqiff qubool karne ki nahi balkay tareeqay se jawab dene ka kaha hai jo aap ab bhi nahi kar paye.

Aap ki reply post delete kar di gai hai kyu ke uss mein phir aap ne siyaasi bayan baazi hi ki thi. Jis tarah number waar sawal kiye hain ussi tareeqay se number waar jawab de dijiye, sirf unhi sawalo na ke poori taqreer.

Umeed hai iss baar thori ghairat karein gay aap.

  Raja01 said:

I WANT TO KNOW JUST ONE THING WHY U GUYZ SAY THAT HAZRAT MUHAMMED (PBUH) IS A NOOR. BUT ON OTHER HAND QURAN HAS CLEARIFY IT IN VERY CLEAR WORDS TAHT "HE IS FROM U HE IS LIKE U A HUMANBEING...". WHY ARE U GUYZ NEGLECTING QURAN. AND THE NEGLIGENCE OF QURAN IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND UNISLAMIC. THERE COULD BE ONE TRUTH YOU GUYZ OR QURAN.......... AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE QURAN IS THE ONLY TRUTH IN THE WORLD.

I'd say, atleast just try to learn the etiquettes of posting in such threads. Read the thread title and see what you're talking about, totally irrelevant.

If you want to talk about the issue of Noor-o-Bashar, we're all here for you but we wont allow you to jump in any topic and starts babbling. So better rectify your approach and start a thread and present your views/queries there.

Now let me just chop-chop your absurdity.

You said

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U GUYZ SAY THAT HAZRAT MUHAMMED (PBUH) IS A NOOR. BUT ON OTHER HAND QURAN HAS CLEARIFY IT IN VERY CLEAR WORDS TAHT "HE IS FROM U HE IS LIKE U A HUMANBEING...". WHY ARE U GUYZ NEGLECTING QURAN.

Yes! We do believe the Prophet to be the NOOR and YES! Quran says that the Prophet is a Human, but the question here is how our statement that the Prophet is Noor contradicts with Quran? We do NOT deny the Prophet being a Human by any means!

Quran says the Prophet is Human, but where Quran denies that Prophet is NOT Noor? Or where you find the ruling to declare Noor as the antonym of Human?

I can put a mount of evidences infront of you form Quran & Hadith and their authentic interpretations regarding the Prophet being the NOOR but this isnt the right place for it.

I suggest you to start a thread separately for this issue if you want to and do start it in English Section if you want it in English, else you can post in this section as well.

WOW! LOOK AT THIS!

This is the "STAR OF DAVID" the most prominent one in Jewish Symbolism, generally recognized symbol of Jewish identity and Judaism. Read the details here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David

Now take a look at this!

  peer2009 said:

jinab eyh koye dallel na howi ke jis ne chapi kis ne chapi per chapi aap logon me se kisi ne thi. any way . aap man gaye ke deen nabi pak (PBUH) ke zarye aya to kiya aap log nabipak ka deen ko use ker rahien hien kiya un ki batay howy tarikon per 100 % kaiem hien ager hien to kahan he. me kayee sawal karoon ap is ko rad ker do ya sabit ker do . per afsoos nahi ker sako ge . yeh guaranti he. is liya itni lambi tahweel bandhi aap ne . us ka effect kiya hoga kcuh nahi me ne pehly hi kaha tha ke aap apna zore lagao ge dosry apan zore kiya faida ho ga us ka jawab nahi milla. jitni lambhi tehmeed bandhi is terah dosri seide s bhi essi tehmeed bandhi jaye gi . i want a result. afsos esa nahi he

Hairat hai ke aap itni sari be'ghairati kaisay dikhatay hain! Miya idher doosro se sawal-o-jawab ki nishist baad mein lagana pehlay uss topic ko start kijiye jaha aap ne mujh se baat karni thi. Baat karne ki himmat nahi aur guarantee de rahay hain ke jawab nahi de sakien gay hum. Thori himmat paida kijiye, nahi tu khamoosh rahiye.

Loota'chaap Deobandariyo ke mashoor haft'rooza Zarb-e-Momin ke kuch jhalkiya dekhiye;

Ab zara gour se Deobandari Mufti ke jawab ko dekhiye;

1. Ba'gharz-e-zeenat ye mundair banana bhi jayaz nahi.

2. Issi tarah qabar ke kutbay per Qurani Ayaat aur ashaar waghaira likha, likhwana aur aisay kutbay ko qabar per lagana sakht na'jayaz hai.

3. Albatta ihtiyaat iss mein hai ke qabar se zara hata kar lagaya jaye take zahir hadith ki mukhalifat lazim na aye.

Ab aiye issi Zarb-e-Momin bandar'gulaathi dekhiye;

Ba'gharz-e-zeenat mundair banana na'jayaz hai magar choo'ke qabar Deobandari mullay ki hai iss liye Kutba tu kutba, kutbay ke zeenat ke liye khoobsoorat se border bhi jayaz hai. Aakhir ko Deobandariyo ke "Sheikh-ul-Islam" hain, inn ki qabar per thori na deobandari shariat lago honi hai.

Kutbay per Qurani Ayat waghaira ka bayan bhi aap ooper parh chukay, lekin choo'ke ye koi aam banday ke qabar nahi, deobandariyo ke Muftay Mehmood ki qabar hai iss liye iss per Bismillah likhna bhi jayaz hai aur alqabaat bhi! Muftay Mehmood mein deobandariyo ki woh azeem shakhsiyat hain jin per Deobandari Shariat lago nahi hoti.

Waisay ye dono kutbay qabar ke bilkul saath hain jis se zahir hota hai ke deobandari inn dono mullao ki qabar banatay waqt kafi ghair'muhtaat thay tabhi kutba qabar se hata kar na lagaya, lekin ye dono coo'ke ghar ke mullay hain iss liye, aakhir inn mullo mufto ne hi deobandari shariat tarteeb di hai lihaza inn per in ki apni banai huwi shariat lagoo nahi ho sakti!

Aur aik baar phir yaad'dihani karwa do ke iss topic mein aap se mukhatib huwa hi nahi tha ab tak. So ye bekaar ka roona tu band kar dijiye ke mein aap ko kya samjho aur kya nahi. Aap mein agar himmat hogi tu bata dein gay ke aap kya hain warna yaha aap jaisay bohut hain jinhay apna maslak batatay bhi sharm aati hai.

Aur iss Star of David ke ilawa bhi kuch baato ka zikr kya tha, ho sakay tu un ki safai bhi paish kijiye ga.

  Anti-Barelvi said:

Jnab Hazrat Sybarite Urf Dhoti Sahib! Aadab Arz hai. Aap ne to Dhoti ki itni Girdan Alapi hai k mujhe shak ho raha hai ka.......Shayed Aap ne Ab tak Sari Zindagi Kisi Peer Ki Dhoti Shareef me Basar kr di hai.

Aap ke be'basi ka andaza issi baat se ho raha hai ke aap "Khisyaani billi khamba noochay" (NOTE: Yaha aik deobandari ko sirf muhawaratan billi kaha hai, hargizz billiyo ki toheen maqsood nahi) ke misdaaq sirf 2 baar istimaal kiye gaye lafz ko "Girdaan Alaapna" qaraar de rahay hain (waisay girdaan alaapi nahi jaati, sahi istilaah "raag alapna" hai, kyu bilawajeh mein Urdu istilaahaat ka mazak bana rahay hain). Aur rahi baat dhooti mein zindagi basar karne ke tu miya humaray yaha Gangohi aur Nanotwi jaisay lawatat ke "Chaarpai Olympians" hain hi nahi jo ye beemari humein lagay. Aap ke mullo ke aisay case tu akhbaaro ke saath saath aap ki apni kitaabo mein bhi baray fakhar se bayaan kiye jatay hain.

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Rahi Baat "R.A" Ki to Mujhe to lag raha hai k Mustaqbil me Aap b apne lea

" Razi Allah" ka lafz na Istemaal krne lag jae! Khair.......! Ab mai kia kaho k Jo Aqeeday tum logo k hain..........Un k bawajood agr Aap " Razi Allah" k Alfaz apne sath likhna chahte hain to Ummat e Muslima k Lea Is se barh k Sangeen Mazak aur kia ho sakta hai........?

Samajh nahi aata ke Quran-o-Sunnat ke naray laganay walay aap deobandari hazrat ikhtilaafi mouzo per Quran-o-Sunnat se dalail paish karne se kyu ghabratay hain. Janab mein ne aap ko jawab diya uss mein Quran ki ayaat ka hawala bhi moujod hai aur mazeed aap ke apnay ghar ki mustanadd kitaab ka hawala bhi. Usoolan tu aap ko chahiye tha ke aap issi tarah saboot-o-dalail paish kar ke apna mouqif sabit kartay lekin typical deobandari loota'chaap policy ke tehat aap ne phir aik siyaasi bayan bazi kar ke jaan churana chahi hai. Lekin ab zara bhaagna mushkil hai.

"Radi Allahu Anhu" ke istimaal per jo hawalay mein ne diye pehlay tu unn ka radd kijiye Quran-o-Hadith se, phir apni Tazkirahtur-Rasheed ka bhi difaa kijiye, iss ke baad shayad aap ki baat mein kuch wazan warna ye bekaar mein siyaasi bayan baazi se koi faida nahi, aap apna mazaak hi banwaye gay.

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Jaha tak Baat hai is jumla ki:

 

"Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho"

 

To Aqal k Andho........tum logo ko zra smjh nahi aati k aik banda kis context me baat kr raha hai?......is me tumhara qasoor b nahi........Dilo pe muhar jo lag gae hai na......tumhara b qasoor nahi......mai ne tanz kia tha k un mehfilo ko zra apni Barsio se b compare kr k daikho! Mehfil k lea me ne Lafz barsi az rah e Tanz ikhtear kia aur tum log smjh baithe k waqae barsi humari taraf b halal ho gae...........Lanat hai aisi aql pe jo Haram k Halwe kha kha k Khatam hoti ja rahi hai.

Ab janab aap ko Urdu istilahaat ki khabar nahi tu iss mein humara kya kasoor? Aap kehtay hain ke aap ne baray-e-tanz kaha.. matlab baray-e-tanz aap ne apni hi mehfil ko Barsi keh dya! Tu phir tu ye aap hi per tanz huwa na ke hum per! Chaliye phir bhi aap ka dil rakhne ke liye aap ki baat ko sahi maan lete hain warna aap asal mouzo ko ghuma kar issi per behs shuru kar dein gay. Ab aiye aap ko apnay ghar ki kuch aur Barsiyo ka deedar karwao phir agay chaltay hain.

Ab iss ke jawab mein bhi aap wohi raag alaapay gay ke ye Barsi nahi, akhbaar walo ka tu jo jee chahay likh dete hain. Iss zaman mein aap se sawal kya tha ke agar ye Barsi nahi tu aap ke Ulema iss ki tardeed kyu nahi kartay. Iss ka jawab aap dete hain ke;

  اقتباس

Woh Barsi hoti to us ki tardeed krte na!.............woh kis ki tardeed krte?

 

Jab barsi hoi hi nahi to phir tardeed kis baat ki..........?

Janab ye tu aap ba'haisiyatt fard-e-wahid keh rahay hain ke ye Barsi nahi. Aap ki baat ko puri jamaat ka tarjumani bayan kyu kar maan lya jaye? Aap koi mustanadd aur maroof deobandari shakhsiyat tu hain nahi jo aap ki baat ko mustanadd maan kar qubool kar lya jaye.

Mera mutaliba pehlay bhi yehi tha ab bhi yehi hai ke agar ye Barsi nahi tu aap ke Ulema ne akhbaaro walo ke is mehfil ko Barsi ka naam dene per koi radd-e-amal zahir kyu nahi kya? Jis tarah aap phudak phudak kar chilla rahay hain ke ye Barsi nahi hai, Barsi nahi hai, issi tarah kisi maroof deobandari ne aisa bayan kyu nahi dya? Tardeed isi baat ki chahiye ke janab jis mehfil ko ye akhbaar walay Barsi qaraar de rahay hain woh Barsi nahi kuch aur hai, aur jo hai uss ka bhi koi naam bata dijiye tu aur bhi behtar.

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Umeed hai k Ainda se Dhotio me "DAKHAL ANDAZI" Krne ki jisarat nahin kro ge........!

Filhaal tu aap ki deobandariyatt ki dhooti jitni utar chuki hai ussi ki fikr kijiye janab. Thora hosla paida kar ke dalail se baat karein, ye bekaar ke shoor sharabay se kuch sabit nahi hoga.

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Aakhir me Dua hai k Allah tum logo ko marne se pehle HIDAYAT aatafarmae. Aameen!

Baat khatam karte karte bhi aap apni jahalat ka saboot de gaye. Pehlay aap likhtay hain ke;

"is me tumhara qasoor b nahi........Dilo pe muhar jo lag gae hai na......"

Dil per muhar lagna matlab hidayat ka darwaza band! Tu jab hidayat ka raasta hi nahi tu phir hidayat ki dua kaisi? Waisay koi ajab nahi, deobandariyo ke nazdeek tu pehlay hi Allah ke kazib honay ka imkaan hai, tu phir dil per lagai gai Allah ki muhar ke kamzoor honay ka bhi koi imkaan hoga!

(Naql-e-Kufr, kufr na bashid)

Tamaam posts parhne ke baad bara afsoos huwa ke itnay taweel arsay mei bhi AbdulSalam sahab chand seedhay se sawalo ka jawab dene se qasir rahay hain. Ye thread choo'ke bila'wjeh tool pakar chuki hai lihaza ab isay kisi conclusion ki taraf le janay ki koshish karta hon.

1. toheedi bhai ne Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah ki tasneef se Nad-e-Ali ko sabit kya. Agar aap ko iss zaman mein koi aiteraaz hai tu iss per saboot paish kijiye ke ye tasneef Shah Wali Ullah ki nahi, ya tu saboot paish kijiye ke unho iss se rujo'o kar liya.

2. toheedi bhai ye bhi sabit kar chukay ke Shah Wali Ullah ne Sheikh Abu Tahir Kurdi se Jawahir-e-Khamsa ki ijazat hasil ki. Tu matlab Shah Wali Ullah bhi Nad-e-Ali parha kartay thay. Agar aap ko iss per aiteraaz hai tu iss ke khilaaf saboot paish karein na ke qayaas'araaiyan

3. toheedi bhai ne tamaam shawahid paish karne ke baad kuch sawalaat kiye jin ka khulasa ye hai ke Nad-e-Ali ke wird ke baad Shah Wali Ullah Mowhid huway ya Mushrik?

a) agar Mowhid huway tu phir humien kyu Mushrik qaraar dya jata hai?

agar Mushrik huway tu phir Mushrik se Sanad-e-Hadith lenay walay, Mushrik ko Hujjat'ullah kehnay walay Mushrik kyu na huway? Aur agar Mushrik hain tu in ke khilaaf apnay kisi bhi mustanadd mufti ka fatwa paish karein.

Ab janab AbdulSalam sahab se guzarish hai ke agli kisi post se pehlay in seedhay se sawalo ka seedha sa jawab dein, baghair kisi siyaasi bayan'baazi ke. Ba'soorat-e-deegar aap ki posts baghair kisi warning ke delete kar di jaye gi. Aap ko bohut muhlat de di gai magar abhi tak aap sirf behs' baraye' behs hi kartay aye hain. So ab zara himmat kijiye aur faisla'kun andaaz mein jawab dijiye takay baat phir tareeqay se agay barhay.

  Abdulsalam said:

Is ka matlab ye ke Agar kisi Ahl-e-Hadith aalim ne koi baat apni tasneef main likhi ho (Quran-o-HAdith se takranye ki sorrat main) to wo tamam Ahl-e-Hadith Hazrat-o-Ulama per lago nahin hoti na hi is ka matlab ye hoga ke Tamam Ahl-e-Hadith ulama ka is per ittifaq hai.

Is barye main ya to un Aalim ne tardeed ki hogi ya phir Rojoo ker liya hoga (Yaqeenan) jin ki wazahat un ke amal se hogi/ho sakti hai.

Bilkul sahi kaha aap ne. Agar koi fard-e-wahid ghalat baat karta hai tu uss ki zimay'dari poori jamaat per nahi daali jaa sakti. Lekin agar woh fard-e-wahid kisi khaas tabqay mein aik mustanadd maqaam rakhta hon tu phir baat aur hai. So kehnay ka maqsad ye ke jaisay aap ne kaha ke ya tu uss ki tardeed hogi ya phir rujoo, dono soortain mein qiyaas se kaam nahi chal sakta lihaza saboot muhaiyya karna hoga. Maslan agar aap ke samnay kisi Ghair'muqallid ka qoul rakh jaye tu aap ye keh kar jaan nahi choraye ke jee hum nahi mantay, ya ye ghalat qoul hai, iss tarah ki zaati raye per mabni tardeed naqabil-e-qubool hogi. Ya tu aap ko kisi doosray mustanadd Ghair'muqallid mufti ka fatwa ya kisi mustanadd alim ki wazeh tardeed paish karna hogi ya phir uss alim ka rujoo'nama. Amal se wazahat ki baat be'tukki si hai kyu agar kisi alim ke qoul aur amal mein tazaad ho tu phir woh kis tarah mustanadd ho sakta hai.

  Abdulsalam said:

Janab shukary ka aapne jawab diya, is quote ko kartye hoye aap shyed aap bhool gaye meri akhir ki kuch lines parhna bhool gaye ke hum akabir parasti main mubtala nahin hain ye to aap kisi se bhi pooch saktye hain... to phir ye beemari hum main hoi hi nahin

Ye post apne kitni frustration mein ki hai iss ka andaza tamaam parhnay walo ko ho raha hoga. "aap shyed aap bhool gaye meri akhir ki kuch lines parhna bhool gaye". Khair ab thora thanday dimaagh se samajhne ki koshish karein.

Mein ne jo baat kahi uss ko samjhnay ke liye pehlay ye dekhiye ke mein ne aap ki kis baat ko quote kar ke ye sab kaha tha. Mein ne baat ki thi jahalat ki, in terms of ke apnay akabir ke aqeeday aur fatwo ki khabar nahi aur dosro per tanqeed kiye jatay hain. Dobara parhiye meri post ko shayad iss baar baat samajh aa jaye aap ko.

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Janab zara ye to batayen ke aqeedah aap ke nazdeek kon kon se hain, kion ke jahan tak main janta hon or aap ki kitabon main likha hai aap bohat se aqeedon main apnye Ulama, Imamon ki pervi kartye hain

(ab details to yahan nahin donga ke ye discussion ke mukhalif ho jayegi, lakin hawalye ke liye Sirf Nad-e-Aliya ka muamla hi ghor talab hai)

Aap ne tu apni ilmiyat ka bharpoor muzahira kar diya! Matlab aap ke nazdeek Naad-e-Ali aqaid mein shamil hai! Chaliye ab ye bhi bata dijiye humaray kin ulema ne isay Farz ya Wajib qaraar diya hai? Waisay Nad-e-Ali walay topic mein touheedi bhai ke haatho jo aap ki durgat bani kya woh kafi nahi? Dec 2008 se ab tak aap seedhay se sawalaat ka jawab nahi de paa rahay aur topic ko tool de rahay hain kyu ke ye masla ab na aap se nigla jaa raha hai na ugla jaa raha hai. Waisay jald post kar ke uss topic ko faisla'kun merhalay mein lanay ki koshish karo ga warna aap ne tu qasam hi khaa li hai jawab na dene ki.

  اقتباس

Mera khayal abhi tak yahi hai ke agar hum ibtadai tor per sirf aik Eiyada (Fesla) kar len ke hum Aqeedah main akabir parasti ke bajaye Quran-o-Hadith ko hujjat mannye gaye to bohat si beemariyan khatam hojayngi.

Ye aap ka nahi tamaam Musalmaano ka khayal hai. Farq sirf itna hai ke humaray yaha har doosra tatt poonjiya Quran-o-Hadith se apni marzi ka matlab akhaz kar ke mujtahidd bana apni dairh eent ki masjid nahi banata.

Tafseel mei nahi jata magar aik baat zimnan wazeh kar do. Aap ghair'muqallid jaha apnay kisi muftay ya mullay ko ghalat qaraar pata dekhtay hain tu forun faraar ka raasta dhoondtay huway kehtay hain ke jee hum to Quran-o-Hadith per yaqeen rakhtay hain joo baat Quran-o-Hadith se takraye usay hum nahi mantay chahay koi bhi kahay lekin be'sharmi aur hatt'dharmi ki intihaa dekhiye ke agar khud aap ke ghar se aap ke kisi mullay ka qoul ghalat sabit kar diya jaye tu aap "Ye ghalat hai, hum nahi mantay, hum taqleed nahi kartay" keh kar jaan chura letay hain, aur mukhalif se agar koi ikhtilaafi masla ho tu uss ki tardeed shuru ho jati hai. Apnay ghar ke mullao ke khilaaf aap ke doosray mullay wohi fatwa kyu nahi dete jo woh mukhalifeen per dete aye hain?

To ye farq hai janab aap mein aur hum mein. Hum lootay nahi. Jo ghalat hai so ghalat hai, jis ki kaafi misaalein aap ko mill jai gi. Tahir-ul-Qadri patri se utray tu sab se pehlay khud humaray hi ulema ne Gumrahi ka fatwa diya, Sheikh Amin ka fitna Ahle'Sunnat ka naam istimaal kartay huway utha tu uss per bhi fatwa humaray hi muftiyaan-e-kiram ne diya. Ghair'muqallideen ki tarah humaray yaha ye riwaaj nahi ke apnay ghar ke mullay ne koi ghalat baat kar di tu sirf "hum nahi mantay" keh jaan chura li aur phir ussi mullay ki kitaabien bhi chaapi jaa rahi hain, usay akabir mein bhi shumaar kya jaa raha hai.

Hasil ye ke aap ghair'muqallideen ki shariat apno ke liye alag aur ghairo ke liye alag hai.

  smartguycool said:

Assalam U Alikum

 

Abuowais good bhai zara ye batain ke shirk aur biddat kon sa? zara tafsel dain tu bat shoro karen is pe bhi....app agar chaho tu? wese bhi thanvi ki jo dimaghi halat thi kher wo matti mai mil ke khak hogaye...magar ye apni taraf se nahi likhi app ki books mai bhi mojod hai app ke pas tu zaror mojod hon gi bcoz ye ain e sawab hai...zara dekh lijiye ga

Ghalat kaha janab aap ne! Thanvi ki jo dimaaghi halat thi woh awwal tu matti mein mil ke khaak nahi huwi, matti mein mil kar matti paleed kar gai! Doosra ye ke Thanvi ki dimaaghi kharabi jo uss ne apni kitabo mein muntaqil ki woh batadreej barhtay barhtay iss high level per pohanch gai hai ke poochiye matt! 2 namoonay Peer2009 aur abuowais ki shikal mein aap ke samnay hain! Pehlay Peer2009 sahab ne tareeqay se baat karne ki yaqeen dihani karwaie aur phir race ho gaye aur ab ye deobandari kunway ke naye maindak ke roop mein abuowais baramadd huway hain jin ki posts mein hawa hawai batoo ke ilawa kuch nahi, abhi tak tu koi mustanadd hawala ya daleel nazar nahi aiee!