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Yaar Asif Bhai.. baray arsay se dil kar raha hai ke Thanvi ke nangay pungay tootko per alehda thread banao... but masla ye hai ke yaha apni behnay bhi hain.. aur hawalay aisay hain ke khawateen tu khawateen mardo ko bhi sharm aa jaye.. kya karo mashwara dijiye... Amaal-e-Qurani haath lagi hai Thanvi ki...

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ap ka bohat shukriya k ap ne bari mahnat kar ke itne sare saboot ikate kiye ..k main ap ka yaqeen kar sakn but sorry to say i m still saying tariq jameel galat nahi hain..

Koi nai baat nahi...humein maloom hai ke aap ka kawwa sufaid hai.

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ap ne jo dua k bare main kaha hai. kia ap ne wo dua poori suni hai? agar nahi to plz i requesty u app sun lay ...... jis main tariq jameel sahib ne akhir main kaha hai k ya Allah ye hamari nadani hai jo hum tuje is tarha pukar rahe hain warna tu to jism se paak hai.unho ne khod kaha hai last main k ya hum nadani main kah rahe hain

Agar Tariq Jameel sahab itnay hi nadaan hai tu Waaz-o-Tabligh kyu kar rahay hain? Unhay tu khud masail samajhnay ki zaroorat huwi! Waisay Tariq Jameel sahab koi paye ke Alim bhi nahi aur Ghair Alim per waaz karna haram hai kyu aisi Tariq Jameel jaisay kisi naam’nihad alim na awaam ke beech apnay waaz mein koi aisi baat kardi jo Shara’ee tour per ghalat ho to awaam yani masses per uss ka effect hoga.

So conclusion ye ke Tariq Jameel Nadaan ko waaz-o-tabligh ka haqq hi nahi ... aaj ye nadani ki hai kal kuch aur karein gay phir kuch aur tu phir waaz-o-tabligh se behtar tu pehlay khud ki islaah karein. Pehlay apni zaban ko phisalnay se bachaye phir waaz ke liye munh khoolein.

Phir mazeed ye ke Tariq Jameel ki iss bhoondi aur gustakhana dua mein sirf Mujassim ka masla nahi aur bhi kaee baatein hain.

Matlab Allah ko iss tarah mukhatib karna ke

“Aur ab ye ailaan kar de ke mein Aaraha hon.. tu keh de mein Aaraha hon..”

“Tu aaja bari dair ho gai hai... tu aja bari dair ho gai...”

Allah ko apnay paas bula rahay hain aur woh bhi is andaaz mein ke “Aajaa! Aajana...bari dair ho gai...” matlab ke Allah nay Tariq Jameel ke paas anay mein dair kardi hai! (Naql-e-kufr, kufr na’bashid)

“Hum tujhay bulanay aye hain.. bacha maar khaa ke abba ko bulanay jata hai... hum bhi pitt ke tujhay bulanay aye hain..”

Bacha ki misaal dete hain tu kal jaisay bachay apnay abba ki good mein charh jata hai waisay hi aap ke Tariq Jameel sahab Allah ki good mein bethnay ki zidd karein gay.. (Naql-e-kufr, kufr na’bashid)

“Aaja! Aajana! Tu aajana mera moula”

“Hum rootay dhootay... hum loot poot hotay .. tere aagay peechay Ya Allah hum shoor machatay..”

Allah ki bargaah mein ye Tariq Jameel shoor machanay ke mood mein hai... adab se sarr jhukanay ka maqam waha ye kuttay billiyo ki tarah loot poot hongay!

“Aaana! Aaana ...humaray zakhmo per marham rakhnaa...”

Allah ko pukaar kar keh rahay hain ke aana.. humaray zakhmo per marham rakhnay... issi majmay mein koi Tariq Jameel se ye keh deta ke “Aana.. meri naak beh rahi hai saaf kar de” tu loog jootay martay ussay ke kya bakwaas kar rahay ho.. itnay baray alim se aisay mukhatib hotay hain...

Bibi Indian movie nahi chal rahi! Allah se mukhatib honay ke bhi adaab hain. Apnay susar se baat kartay waqt tu saray ikhlaaqi taqazay nazar mein rakhtay hon gay Tariq Jameel sahab magar jaha Allah se dua karne ki baat aiee tu na adab ka khayal na lehjay ka!

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jase Quran karim ki ayat hai ur tum kafiro ko jahan dekho khatam kar doo to jo bewaqoof hain wo samjhte hain bas hume jahan kahin non muslim nazar aye ga us ko khtam karna ka haq hai lakin un ko ye tofiq nahi hoti k Quran karim ko kole ur parhe Allah ne ye tab kaha jab jang ti is se pahle wali ayats main medan e jhang ki bat kar raha hai .......so Allah baat medan e jhang ki kar raha ta na k road pe ya kahin koi sharif nonmuslim bi mile to mar doo. hun....

Bibi ye baatein jaa kar Lashkar-e-Jhangvi aur naam’nihad Sipah-e-Sahaba walo ko bataiye. Alhumdulillah hum sunniyo mein ye tashadudd’pasandi nahi hai. Ye tu aap hi ke chaheetay deobandi hain jo apnay Mufti ke marnay per Banks jala dete hain... jo muslims ki hi motorcycles cars cheen kar jala dete hain. Aap ko shayad maloom nahi lekin Nishter Park Blast ke peechay bhi Lashkar-e-Jhangvi ke hi loog thay.. kahein tu poori akhbari report dikha don? So ye “hun hun” inn apnay Jhangvi bhaiyoo ke munh per jaa kar kijiye.. yaha naak bhoo charhanay se kuch hasil nahi hona!

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so isi tarha ap jase log ache alim jo k Allah k wali hai un ki asi batain jo nadani main ki hain pakar k issu bana lete hain ur badnam karnew main lag jate hain...wase bi un k ik lecture amin unho ne khod Allah k bare main bare detail se batya hai k Allah jism se pak hai kafi detail se samjhaya hai.

Nadan hain tu Wali Allah kahay ke? Mana ke Wali Allah masoom nahi hotay magar “nadaan” tu hargizz nahi hotay. Aap pehlay lughatt mein “Nadaan” ke manai talaash kijiye pehlay. Mein kuch synonyms likhay deta hon lafz “nadan” ke...

نادان ۔ بے وقوف جاہِل ۔ ناتَجَربہ کار

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ur han ji ap ne jin books k page dikaye hain main un pe tawaja nahi deti kion k muje lagta hai k ho sakta hai asi books hon jase ap kahte hain but koi zarori to nahi k tariq jameel un ko mane un k ustad agar mante te to tariq jameel to nahi mante na...kion k wo kahte hain unho ne khod kaha hai jo maine suna hai apne kano se k main na bralwi hn na deo band mian musalman hon. wo Allah ur hadis ko mante hain

Aap ne pehlay kaha tha ke aap Islamic Studies ki student hain. Kya parh rahi hain aap waisay.. I mean what are your majors? Islamic Studies parh rahi hain aur daleel ki ihmiyaat ka pata nahi. Jo scan pages aap ko dikhaye gaye thay woh daleel ke tour per dikhaye gaye thay. Khair aap ki samajh se bala’tar mamlaat hain ye.

Aap kehti hain ke zaroori tu nahi ke Tariq Jameel in kitabo ko mantay hon.. lekin Bibi kitab ke likhnay walo ko mantay hain. Unhi ke shagird hain.. Chaliye agar Tariq Jameel ka aqeeda sach mein aisa nahi tu kabhi Tariq Jameel ko toufiq huwi ke inn ghalat batoo ka radd karay apni taqreer mein? Agar nahi tu kyu nahi? Ghalat baat ko ghalat kehnay mein kis baat ka darr.. kis baat ki sharm? Aap ke tablighi jamat walay yehi kehtay hain na ke hum tu nabiyo wala kaam kar rahay hain.. tu bataiye aisa kaun sa Nabi guzra jis ne burai ki mazammat nahi ki khul kar? Huzoor Sarwar-e-Konain ne kya buraiyoo aur ghalat kamo ka bayan nahi kiya Sahaba ke samnay takay unn per masla wazeh ho aur woh unn buraiyoo se bachain? Sach tu ye hai ke Tariq Jameel islam ka muballigh nahi Deobandism ka muballigh hai. Khud Tablighi Jamat ke founder ka apna qoul hai ke “dil chahta hai ke Tabligh Thanvi ki taleem ki ho aur Tareeqa mera” Aur yehi ho raha hai! ur han ye special website kholne ki kia tuk hai un ko ur un ki wife ko.

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ye ithne sare gustan jase tahir qadri. nd salam from india aur kuch ur ase log jinho ne had kar di hazur ki shan main un k bare main kuch nahi kahte na koi web site hain jase ye page tariq jameel ur un ki wife ko badnam karne k liye banya gay hai

Bibi aap Gulf ke kaun se sehra mein khaima lagai birbira rahi hain? Kaun si “website” bana di humnein Tariq Jameel ki wife per? Sirf aik forum per thread banaya hai aur blog per post! Isay aap website kehti hain?

Rahi baat Dr. Tahir ki tu thora iss forum ko search kijiye aisay logo ka alag section mil jaye ga aap ko “Sullah-e-Kulliyat” ke naam se. So iss tarah ke bhoonday aiteraaz karnay se pehlay aqal se kaam lijiye.

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sharam nahi ati ap logo ko k un ki wife sirf parlour gayi hai to ap logo ne issu bana diya zara apni maa bahano ka hal malom kare pahle... ur un k lakho k zewarat k bare main bi kuch khatakta hai to ap ko malom ho ga k tariq jameel bohat rich hai khandani rais hain un k father lord te.apne village k so jin k pas ithn i dolat ho to kia agar wo kuch apni wife k liye le leta hai to gunnah to nahi balke sawab ahi kioonk wo sirf wife pe paise nahi kharch karte balk bohat zakat dete hain

Iss mein sharm ki kaun si baat hain? Hum ne kaun sa Tariq Jamil ki biwi ki tasaweer chaap dien? Parlour woh khud gaie.. aur sharm humein aye! Jamisa Hafsa mein danday laathiya liye aap ki deobandi auratein uchal kood machaye aur sharm humein aye... aap ka Jihad Jihad karne wala mulla burqa pehn kar bhagay aur sharm humein aye? Wah re deobandiyo! Imaan tu gaya hi gaya aqal bhi saath hi chal di tumhari...

Aap jisay English mein “Lord” keh rahi hain usay Tariq Jamil ke gaoo Mian Chunnu mein “Zameendar” kehtay hain. Aur zahir hai petro-dollar per palnay walo ke paas paisa nahi hoga tu kis ke paas hoga! Aur ye bekaar ka roona band kijiye, hum ne ye aiteraaz kiya hi kab ke Tariq Jamil ne apni biwi ko soonay ke zewaraat kyu pehna diye.. humari bala se pora ka pora soonay ka pani charha de! Jis baat per aiteraaz hai uss per tu aap ki bolti band hai.. aur idher udher baat ko ghuma kar bhaagnay ka raasta bana rahi hain ab.

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ap ne ya mohammadah jo likha ahi ayinda na likiye ga samje............. hamare nabi ZINDA hain wo is dunia main HAIN rahne wali zaat sirf Allah ahi baqi sab fana hai.. hamre nabi balke kisi bi nabi ka jism matti nahi hota ,,,wo hazir nazir HAIN......sirf Allah ki zaat hazir wa nazir hai

Chaliye finally aap ne apna asli chehra dikha hi dya. Rasool se bughz ka mein itnay andhay ho gaye hain deobandi ke baat kuch ho, Rasool ki shaan mein kami karna nahi bholtay. Yaha iss topic mein Hayat-un-Nabi aur Hazir-o-Nazir ke issue per koi baat nahi huwi, iss ke ba’wajood Shan-e-Muhammad se jalnay walo ne bakwaas ki!

Bibi aap ne apnay maslak ke lootay honay per muhrr laga di hai! Issi forum per aap hi ka deobandi bhai cheekh cheekh kar keh raha hai ke Huzoor-e-Pur Noor hayat hain.. ZINDA HAIN! Links mein Khadim-e-Deoband ki posts check kar lijiye ga...

ديوبند کا عقيده هے

تمام انبياء اپني قبروں ميں زنده هيں

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?showtopic=5461&st=20#

Aap logo ko apnay aqaid ka hi nahi pata abhi.. aur karnay niklay hain Tabligh!

Waisay jawabaat deegar bhaiyoo ne diye hain phir kuch batein kam si lagi;

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ap logo k bohat se msg parhe..tarha tarha ki batain kar rahe hain k Maulana tariq jameel ki wife parlour gayi hain.pahli abt ap sab ko clear kar dn i m student of islamic studies in one of gulf country. beauty parlour jana haram nahi hai bilkul bi haram nahi hai chahe wo maulana ki wife ho ya koi ourathan sirf kuch kam hai jase eye brows bana nd make up kar ke ghair mardo ko dikha haram hai,,,.....

Khatoon aap ne pora topic parha ya deobandi khaslat ki mutabiq sirf sar'sari nazar daal kar apni kehnay beth gaiee?

Issi thread mein ussi Deobandi maslak ke aik fatway ki scan bhi moujoud hai jisay Tariq Jamil follow kartay hain. Tu sab se pehla doghla'pana tu ye ke khud hi apnay maslak ka parchaar karna aur phir khud hi uss per amal na karna. Iss khaslat ko munafiqat kehtay hain.

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ap log ithni batain kar rahe kia ap apni maa bahan ko rokte hain? kia sirf tariq jameel sahab muslim hain app log muslim nahi? apne garebhan main janke pahle.

Alhumdulillah! Bilkul tamaam ghair'shara'ee kaamo se rooktay hain. Munafiqat nahi kartay ke pehlay fatwa dein ke "Beauty Parlour jana se ihtiraaz kiya jaye" aur phir khud hi Biwiyoo ko rang ba'rangi banwanay ke liye bhaij dein. Aur ye gire'baa ki baatein na kijiye, aap behr'haal khatoon hain warna aap ko deobandi gire'baano ki kuch jhalkiya dikhlata.

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aur kuch log tariq jameel sahab ko wahabi kahte hain meri ap logo se request hai k pahle wahabi k bare main maloom kare k wahabi kon hote hain? tab ja ke wahabi pukare... wahabi n brilwi ,deobandi,salfi ye sab kia hai? ye to sarasar bidat hai kion k hamre nabi(p.b.u.h) musalman te Allah ne hamare liye musalman ka word passand kiya hai ... ur agar koi tariq jameel sahab se poche k ap ka aqeeda kia hai to wo kahain gay main muslaman hoon. ye baat main isliye dawey se kah rahi hn kioonke wo ase kahte hain

Bibi humein mashwara dene se pehlay aap ye mashwara Ulema-e-Deoband ko dijiye kyu ke khud Ulema-e-Deoband apnay fatawa'jaat mein kitaboo mein yehi istilahaat istimaal karte hain jisay aap bidat keh rahi hain.

Waisay aap ko zaroorat tu ye bhi hai ke aap sab se pehlay tu "Bid'at" ke mafhoom maloom kijiye. Lateefah tu ye ke aap ko maloom bhi nahi aur aap khud apnay munh aap "bid'ati" ban gaee. Aap zara pehlay lafz "Musalmaan" tu dhoond kar bata dijiye Quran-o-Hadith mein. Quran-o-Hadith mein lafz "Muslimeen" milay ga... jis se derive ho kar Urdu mein nikla "Musalman". Ab ye na kahiye ke mein zaban pakar raha hon kyu ke ye formula khud aap ka hi bayan karda hai. Phir mazeed ye ke Hadith mein tu 72 (73) firqo ka zikr hai.. aap ne shayad parha hi hoga, (nahi parha tu bata dijiye woh hadith bhi paish kar di jaye gi) Tu phir unn batil firqo ko aap kis naam se pukarein gien? Unhay bhi "Musalmaan" kahein gi? Quran-o-Hadith mein sachay pakkay imaan walo ko jin ke aqaid durust hon unhay "Muslimeen" kaha gaya hai na'ke her uss shakhs ko jo dil mein batil aqaid liye khud ko Musalmaan kehta ho. Iss hadith ki tafseel parhni ho tu Imam Abu Mansoor Abdul Qahir bin Tahir Tamimi ki “Hujjat’ullah al-Aalameen fi Mujizaati Syed il’ Mursaleen” jis mein aap ko iss hadith ki kafi tafseel mil jaye gi.

Phir mazeed lutf ye ke jo Deobandi “Raafzi Raafzi” chillatay nahi thaktay unn ke baray mein aap ka kya khayal hai? Woh saray bhi bid’ati huway ya nahi? Khair baat niklay gi tu phir durr talak jaye gi... aap filhaal inhi ka jawab de dijiye bohut hoga.

  Mariam shah said:

maf karna lakin islam ko samje pir kisi ?Molvi pe kicher uchale. han ik bat ye web site pe tariq jameel ki wife k bare main kioon lika hai? ur molvi ki wife bi jati hai un k bare main nahi likha

Aap pehlay tu lafz “Moulvi” ki tareef bataiye phir uss ki hurmat bayan kijiye. Waisay jo keechar mein utraa khud keechar ko ganda kar raha hon uss per keechar uchaalnay walay hum kaun hotay hain! Ab unn ki biwi gai thi iss liye likha hai ab jaye Tariq Jameel ki biwi aur likho mein apni biwi ka aisa tu ho nahi sakta naa.

Humaray moulvi ka iss liye nahi likha woh lootay ki gulaathiya nahi martay. Humaray Ulema tu becharay baray saday se hain.. na unhay Nawaz Sharif jaisay maaldaar choor imdaad dete hain na unn ke paas itna fuzool paisa hota hai ke apni biwiyo ko beauty parlour bhaijein. Phir bhi aap ke paas aisi koi news ho tu share zaroor kijiye ga.

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ap log agar samaj dar hain to samjhe k ye politics hai Tariq jameel ko badnam karne ki...pakistan main rahne walo ko pata ho ga k ik islami party dosri party se aggy hone k koshish main hoti hai ur dosri party ko badnam karne main lagi hoti hain lakin Allah ka shukar hai tariq jamil sahab in chezo se pak hai ur politics se dor rahna passand karte hain

Politics! Matlab aaj subha hi lateefo se ho rahi hai. Yaqeen jaaniye Tariq Jameel ka naam waisay bhi sirf jahil aur un’parh tabqay mein hi hai. Ihl-e-Ilm mein loog mein in per hanstay hain. Khair ye apni apni suhbat ki baat hai. Lekin aap ne janay an’janay mein ye tu maan hi liya ke Tariq Jamil ki bhi aik specific “Islamic Party” hai... ab ye bataiye ke “Islamic Party” ka concept kya hai.. bid’at hai ya kuch aur?

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ap wahabi ki basic maloom kare pir un bura kahain and 2nd thing Allah k bare main jo kuch galat lika hai books main kia tariq jameel ne kabhi kaha i trust on it i m the follower of that book?

Humein wahabiyatt ka jitna maloom hai usay chooriye aap bataiye ke “wahabiyat” kya hai. Baat ko ghumaiye ga matt... poori tafseel aur dalail ke saath bataiye ab ke wahabiyatt kya hai.

Phir aap kehti hai ke Tariq Jameel ne kabhi nahi kaha ke I trust on it .. bla bla bla....

Tu bibi ye bataiye ke itnay baray naam’nihad muballigh ki kya ye zimay’daari nahi ke awaam mein aisay masail wazeh karay. Kya kabhi Tariq Jameel nay khull kar aisay ghalat aqeedo ke radd mein kuch kaha? Agar nahi tu kyu? Kya itnay baray naam’nihaad muballigh ki ye zimay’daari nahi ke woh awaam ko aisay ghalat aqeedo se bachnay ki talqeen kare?

Burai se bachana bhi tabligh ka hissa hai bibi!

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wo agar un batoo ko mante hain jo ap ne kahin hai to apni speech amin kioon nahi batate logo k app log bi mano if i belives on any thing and i f i m a lecturar so i would tell the people.. u also have to follow beacuse this is the right way but but tariq jameel apni speech amin bilkul sahi batain batate hain

Loo! Achay khaasi chalta karo’baar band karwana hai aap ne? Bibi Tariq Jameel tu Tablighi Jamat ke founder ki bhi bohut sari baatein nahi batatay! Unhay pata hai ke public jootay maray gi. Ye tu sara hi businees hi jhoot per hai iss mein agar sach bol dya tu phir tu sara khail hi khatam ho jaye ga. Ye jo becharay seedhay saadhay loog jinhay masail ka pata nahi, Tariq Jameel ki zahiri halat dekh kar ussay naik samajh kar peechay peechay chal partay hain unn ke samnay agar Tariq Jameel ne apni asliyatt khol di tu phir bachay ga hi kya? 1 din mein “The-bug-League” jootay khati huwi Pakistan se rukhsat ho jaye gi...

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ap jase brilvii log bi sach kahne pe majbor ho jaye. can u tell me in which lecture he said ye beauty parlour jane wali ourate? kahan ur kis speech amin kaha hai ji?

books pe jo batain ho rahi hain k deoband asi bataoo ko mante hain soo janab hamare saudi ullama soye nahi hoe un books ko manne walo ko jante hain ur likne walo ko bhi ur badnam karne walo ko bi agar tariq jameel ase hain jase ap ne kaha k un book ko mante hain so kabhi hajj main speech ki ijazat un ko na di jati ........... agara ap akhain gay k arabic ka galat aqeeda hai so hamre salfi bhaioo ko khana kaaba ki imamat ka zima Allah ne kion diya? brilvi ko kion na diya

 

jo Allah pahle ta aj bi wahi hai galat nigah ur galat aqeeda waloo ko Allah pne pyre khana kaaba ki imamat ki zima na deta

Bari khoobsurti se aap ne deobandiyo ki riwayti munafiqat ka muzahira kartay huway sabit kar diye ke munafiqat aap logo ki nass nass mein sarahiyatt kar chuki hai!

“ap jase brilvii log” ... “saudi ullama” ... “hamre salfi bhaioo”

Bibi aap ko nahi lagta aap bari jaldi apni woh “Musalmaan” wali baat bhol gai? Kaha gai aap ki musalmaaniyat ab? Matlab saray fatway doosro per thoopnay ke liye apnay ghar mein haraam bhi halal! Aik qoul aksar suna hai ke Allah gumraho ko unhi ki zaban se zaleel karwata hai...

Baqi rahi baat Saudia Arabia ki, tu bibi aap ke shayad ilm mein nahi magar Tableeghi Jamat Saudia mein officially BAN hai. Thori tehqeeq kar lijiye phir itni oonchi uraan uriye ga. Aap manay gi tu nahi tu phir aik kaam kijiye, mujhay Saudia Arabia mein Tablighi Jamat walo ka koi aik centre bata dijiye jaha se woh apnay typical style mein tabligh kartay hon. Aap ke aik liye keemti mashwara hai ke jis mouzo per baat kar rahi ho pehlay uss per thori tehqeeq kiya karein warna sari zindagi aisay hi apna tamasha banwati rahein gi.

Bilkul sahi kaha aap ne, Ulema-e-Hijaz bilkul unn gumrah’kun kitabo ke likhnay walo ko jantay hain aur unn per kufr ka fatwa bhi de chukay hain. Tafseel aap ko Hassam-ul-Harmayn mein mil jaye gi.

“agara ap akhain gay k arabic ka galat aqeeda hai” Ye bhi lateefah bhi sahi raha... Sach kehtay hain ke common sense is really not so common these days. Arab is woh iss liye kehlatay hain ke jazeera-e-arab ke bashinday hain.. her Arab Wahabi nahi!

So hum Arabs ko ghalat nahi kehtay hain Wahabiyo ko ghalat kehtay hain. Rahi baat Kaaba’tullah ki Imamat ka sawal tu bibi Islamic history kabhi ghalti se bhi parhi hai aap ne? Zamana-e-Jahaliyat mein tu Khana-e-Kaaba mein butt bhi rakhay jatay thay! Tab woh kya Allah unhay rooknay per qadir na tha (Naql-e-kufr, kufr na’bashid) Aap ke nazdeek tu woh butt’parast bhi achay aqaid walay huway kyu ke Allah ne unhay woh butt rakhnay diye thay..Ya aap ke hisaab se uss waqt Allah koi aur tha? (Naql-e-kufr, kufr na’bashid) Yazid ne tu Masjid-e-Nabawi mein ghooray bhi bandhay thay? Woh bhi aap ke nazdeek Ameer-ul-Momineen hoga phir tu! Tuff hai aisi koorh’maghzi per! Kyu baghair tehqeeq inn masail mein ulajh kar apni dunya-o-aakhirat barbaad karne per tulli huwi hain? Itna shouq hai tu pehlay kuch tehqeeq kijiye phir zaroor baat kijiye in mamlaat per.

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i m telling u about salfi because in pak u people r thinking wahabi r actually salfii hume wahabi kaha jata hai arrayyyyyyy wahabi naam kase mashhor hoa wo to pata karoo.

Aap pehlay tu ye bataiye aap khud kya hain? Deobandi ya naam’nihad Salafi? Kyu ke deobandiyo ka fatwa hai ke Ghair’muqallid naam’nihad Salafi ghalat hain aur inn naam’nihad Salafiyo ka fatwa hai ke Deobandi ghalat hain. Aap zara himmat kar ke apna maslak tu wazeh karein pehlay.

Aur humien mashwara dene ka shukriya lekin guzarish hai ke aap bhi zara apni keemti raye share karein ke Wahabi kinhay kaha jata hai, kyu kaha jata hai.. phir mein aap ko khud aap ke Salafiyo aur Deobandiyo ki kitabo se batao ga ke Wahabi kisay kehtay hain.

Mere khayaal se fil’waqt itna hi kaafi hai, baqi baatein aap ke jawab ke baad. Aur jawab dete yaad se tamaam bato ka jawab dijiye ga, ya nahi ke jis ka jawab mila de diya jis ka nahi mila usay kawwa qorma samajh ke nigal liya!

Aakhir mein aik guzarish ke iss post ko sirf 1 baar neutral ho kar parhiye ga na ke ye soch kar ke aik Barelwi ki baatein hain! Mera andaz-e-guftugo bhi talakh hai iss liye shayad aap ko bura laga ho lekin batil’paristo ke liye humaray yaha koi ria’yat nahi. Aap agar yaha tehqeeq ya islah ki gharz se baat kar rahi hoti tu mera andaaz mukhtalif hota lekin aap yaha bad’mazhabo ki safai paish kar rahi hain so andaz mukhtalif hai. Phir bhi personal level per agar koi baat buri lagi ho tu maaz’ratt lekin sirf personal level per! Baqi haqq baat kehnay mein koi aar nahi.

  Khadim-e-Diobend said:

jis say mayri baat cheet chel rahi ha. main nahi janta k iska naam kia hay. laykin yay abhi mayra bacha ha.

Ghaliban meri baat kar rahe hain aap... banday ko Ehmad Ghaxnavi kehtay hain.. rahi baat bacha honay ki tu janab yaha aap apni hamsheera ka rishta lay ke tu aye nahi jo meri ya kisi umar ki parwah karein... waisay banday ki umar 27 saal hai... ab bhi agar aap ke nazdeek bacha huwa tu matlab aap phir umar'raseeda huway.. agar aisa hai tu bata dijiye takay mein thora halka haath rakho...

  Khadim-e-Diobend said:

main to aaj unhi lotay bister waloon k ijtimaa main ja raha hoon. to kel dua ha phir waapsi per aa ker baat ho gay.

 

mayray baytay mayray aanay tek aap prayshaan na hona. yoonhi apnay melfozaat likhtay rehna.

Ab aap ye chichoor'panay karein gay? Beta munna ... hah... Deobandiyo mein lacharr'panay ke ilawa kuch aur hai bhi nahi..khair aap ho aiye Loota tour se.. hum tu yahee hain...

Ab agli baar munh khoolnay se pehlay yaad rakhiye ga ke pichli kaafi baatein hain meri post mein jin ka jawab diye baghair aap ne be'parr ki haankna shuru kardi.. so ab ki baar unn tamaam batoo ka jawab ma'aa dalail dijiye warna be'parr ki bakwaas yaha na kijiye ga.

  Khadim-e-Diobend said:

ميں نے کوے پر جو جواب لکھا هے اس پر بھي نظر ثاني فرمائيں۔ شايد آپ حنفي نهيں رضاخاني هيں۔ اسلئے ابھي تک اعلي حضرت پر هي پھنسے هوئے هيں۔ اور آپ احناف نهيں اسلئے آپکے غلط هونے پر اتنا هي کافي هے۔ کوے پر آپ احمد رضا کاني کے مذهب کو مانتے هيں يا امام ابو حنيفه کو۔ ميں نے امام صاحب کا قول نقل کيا ليکن اسکي تو آپکو سمجھ نهيں آئي اپنے رضا کاني پر ابھي تک اڑے هوئے هو۔ کيا بات هے بھئي کيا بات هے اسے کهتے هيں اندھي تقليد۔

Sahi dumm per paoo para hai

Aiye miya aap ko kawwo ka bhi taste karwatay hain...Pehlay tu mein scan paish kardo takay aap ko scan dekhnay ke liye baar baar doosray topic mein na janay paray.

Ab tum bekaar ke raag na alaapo iss liye sawal ba'maa Gangohi ke jawab ke likh bhi raha hon.

Sawal: Jis jageh Zagh-e-Maroofa ko aksar haraam jantay hon aur khanay walay ko bura kehtay hon tu aisi jageh uss kawway khanay walay ko kuch sawab hoga ta ba sawab hoga na azaab?

Jawab: Sawab Hoga

Zagh-e-Maroofa, matlab mashoor ya maroof yani aam common kawwa jis ka rang bikul deobandiyo ke dil ki tarah hota hai.. kala!

Tu janab yaha tu aap ke "Qutb-e-Rabbani" jin ke thay Nanotwi "Rafeeq-e-Jani" unho ne iss aam common kalay kawway ko jo halal haram murdaar sab khaa jata hai usay hi na'sirf halaal qaraar diya hai balkay yaha tak keh dya ke "Sawab hoga".

Ajeeb-o-ghareeb kawwa mantak hai deobandiyo ki! Sunni halwa khaye tu inhay mirchi lag jati hai, becharay halaal halway ke ijza mein koi haraam cheez nahi hoti usay biddat kehtay thaktay nahi inke bhookay nangay muftay..aur Kawwa khanay mein halal-o-haram choor "Sawab" ka fatwa! Aur jawab ki madd koi daleel nahi, na fiqh sa istadlaal na hadith se. Jawab dekhiye sirf 2 alfaaz ka ke "Sawab Hoga" aur hum se ye takkay takkay deobandi dalail ka mutaliba kartay hain. Janab jaiye Gangohi ki qabar per aur laat maar kar pehlay "sawab" honay per dalail laiye, halal-o-haram ko tu phir baad mein dekhtay hain.

Mazeed ye janna bhi zaroori hai ke agar Sawab hai tu aaj kal ke deobandi iss sawab se kyu mehroom hain? Ye jo aap ki chaapa'maar "The-bug-League" Jamat idher udher loota/bistar liye ghoomti rehti hai uss ke liye tu bari asaani honi chahiye ke agar kisi door daraaz ilaqay mein tashkeel ho gai tu masla hi nahi khoraak ka. Jal bichaya, kawway pakray aur khaa liye. Bhook bhi mitt gai aur sawab ka sawab bhi! Deobandiyo ko chahiye ke Shaadi aur deegar taqreebat per kuch ho na ho kam az kam aik dish tu kawway ki zaroor rakhein. Khanay mein variety bhi ho jaye gi aur sawab alag! Aisay aur kaee sawal hain jinka jawab shayad Gangohi ko qabar se guddi se pakar kar nikalnay ke baad bhi shayad maloom na ho sakein. Phir bhi aap koshish zaroor kijiye ga inn ke jawab dene ki.

  Khadim-e-Diobend said:

چلو ابھي تم نے اتنا تو مان ليا که همارے عمر 100سال هے آگے آگے چلو تم يه بھي مانو گے که اهل حق بھي ديوبند هي هيں۔ بشرطيکه تمهارے حق ميں هدايت هوئي۔ ورنه کچھ کها نهيں جا سکتا۔ اور تمهارے اعلي حضرت تو 1921 ميں مرے هيں۔ اسلئے تمهارا فرقه کو ابھي گولڈن جوبلي هونے ميں ابھي 13 سال باقي هيں۔

Hum tu seedhay saadhay sachay loog hain aur ye sach hi hai ke Deobandi mazhab ki umer hai around 100 saal. Iss se pehlay tu ye maslak tha hi! Ye parh lijiye apnay ghar ki gawahi;

"Mera yaqeen hai ke Akabir-e-Deoband jin ki ibtidaa mere khayal mein Qasim Nanotwi aur Rasheed Gangohi say hai."

Matlab inn 2 lawatat ke mareezo se pehlay deobandiyatt ka wajood na tha. Agay jaa kar ye bhi iqraar hai ke Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz Muhaddis Dehalvi se bhi deobandiyatt doori per hai aur deobandiyatt ke asal Maata Pitta wohi 2 hain jin ke naam pehlay liye.

Mazeed agay chal kar Shaami aur Shiekh Abdul Haq Muhaddis Dehalvi jaisay Jaleel-ul-Qadar Hastiyo ke baray mein Anwar Kashmiri mein likha hai ke inn per "baaz masail mein bid'at aur sunnat ka farq wazeh nahi ho saka". Matlab ke Gangohi aur Nanotwi per Chaarpai mein ghussnay per woh woh masail WAZEH ho gaye jo inn bandarja'bala 2 azeem hastiyo per na ho sakay aur ye sach hai! Alhumdulillah 2 hastiyo mein se koi bhi lawatat ka mareez na tha!

So conclusion ye ke jazbaat jazbaat mein aap ne apnay hi munh se iqraar kar liya ke Deobandi Maslak ki umar faqt 100 saal hai aur iss se pehlay na Deobandi Maslak tha, na Tablighi Jamat thi... lootay thay aur becharay baray sukoon se apnay maqaam per hi rehtay thay.

  Khadim-e-Diobend said:

اور اتنے جاهل هو يه تو ميں سوچ نهيں سکتا۔ اگر تمهارے والد صاحب يه کهيں تمهاري طرف اشاره کر کے که يه سب سے اچھا بچه هے تو کيا تم تمام بچوں سے اچھے هو جاؤ گے۔؟؟؟ جب انکي بات کا مطلب يه هو گا که تم انکے بچوں ميں سے سب سے اچھے هو ۔ تو جب ميں نے کها که علماے ديوبند نے هي سب سے اچھا اس مسئله کو سمجھا هے۔ تو اسکا مطلب کيا يه هو گا که تمام عالم مراد هے۔؟؟ ارے جاهل ذرا سوچ اس سے مراد اسکے هم سر هوں گے جيسا که تم هو اهلحديث هيں۔ اور چھوٹي چھوٹي جماعتيں هيں۔

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مسئله حيات و ممات کو جس طرح ديوبند حضرات نے سمجھا هے اس طرح کسي اور نے نهيں سمجھا هو گا۔

Pehlay aap ne oonchi chalaang maar kar dawa kya ke "Iss tarah kisi aur ne nahi samjha hoga" aur ab taweel paish kar rahay hain ke;

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تو جب ميں نے کها که علماے ديوبند نے هي سب سے اچھا اس مسئله کو سمجھا هے

Matlab samnay samnay jhoot woh bhi itni be'ghairti se!

Ab aaiye aap ki taweelaat ki taraf. Aap ne taweel bhi paish ki tu "Sab se achay" ke mafroozay ko le kar, jab aap ki asli ibarat mein achay buray ka koi zikr hi nahi tha. Pehlay tu khud barkiyaa maar kar apni zillat ka samaan kya, aur ab be'ghairati se jhoot bool kar be'sar-o-paa taweelien garh rahay hain. Aray miya 1 minute lagti hai ye kehnay mein ke "Janab ghalti ho gai, kehnay ka maqsad ye tha....." lekin nahi! Ye kaam tu ghairat'mando ka hai... Deobandiyatt ka iss se lena dena.

Ab agar aap ke walid aap ki taraf ishara kar ke kahein ke "Issay jis tarah mein ne paida kiya aur uss tarah aur kisi ne nahi" tu iss ka kya matlab hoga?

Aap ki paish'karda misal per aik misaal mein bhi paish karta hon.. Agar aap ka paroosi aap ki taraf ishara kar ke kahay ke "Ye sab se acha bacha hai" tu achay buray ko tu chooriye ye bataiye ke aap bachay kis ke qaraar paye gay?

Miya lafzoo ka khail yaha na kheliye... ghan'chakkar ban jaye gay

  sag-e-Raza said:

sybarite bhai,, app nay bohat achay tareeqay par handle kia hai, iss deobandi ko,, ALLAH app ko jazay kahir atta farmay,, ,,,,,,,,,, aur khadime deobandi sahb,,, app say jo maray bhai,, nay sawalat kiay hain, main chahyoon ga kay isee tarah tafseel kay sath, aur hawaloon kay sath jawab dijay ga,, apnay baykar damag ki tawelain mat dijay ga,, kion kah app loog jab kisi say sawal kartay hoo to kahtay hoo,, hawala dijay, lakin jab app say koi sawal karay to pata nahee app kion apnay damag ka istamal shoroon kar datay hoo,, umeed karta hoon app maree baat samjh gay hoon, gay,, iss kay elawa agar app kay mazeed sawalat bhee hain to zaror post kijay,,inshaALLAH app ko

aap ki bari nawazish bhai.. waisay iss mein mera koi kamaal nahi..Ye bay'painday ke lootay hain.. handle ye apnay Akabir looto se na huway mujh se kya hongay! Mera maqsad sirf inhay wahi ki rah dikhana hota jo in ka maqaam hai..

Kaafi batein ho chuki hain iss liye mein sirf qabil-e-tawwujju statements quote kar ke baat karta hon.

  Khadim-e-Diobend said:

مسئله حيات و ممات کو جس طرح ديوبند حضرات نے سمجھا هے اس طرح کسي اور نے نهيں سمجھا هو گا۔

Itni onchi uraan na uriye ke kawwo ki itni qudrat hi nahi! Apnay daway ko zara ghour se dekhiye aur phir ainay mein jaa kar shikal dekhiye!

Deobandi maslak jis ki umar bohut bohut tou 100 saal ke areeb kareeb hogi, Anzar Shah ka khulla iqraar hai ke deobandiyat ki ibtidaa Gangohi aur Nanotwi se huwi, aisay no'moulod firqay ke siyasi mullao ki deen'fehmi ko Sahaba, Taba'een, Taba'taba'een, Aimaeen, Mujtahideen sab se afzal qaraar dete huway kuch tu sharm kar letay!

  Khadim-e-Diobend said:

آپ شايد يه بتايا بھول گئے هو که يه کام بد بخت ان بريلويوں گا تھا

Agar aap mein deegar deobandiyo ke bar'ask ghairat aur haya naam ki cheez hai tu saboot bhi de dijiye iss baat ka. Nahi tu aisi suni sunai per tu hum ne bhi suna hai Saniha-e-Nishtar Park ke peechay bhi khabees deobandi hi thay. Iss per tu khair Akhbaari report bhi hai jis mein Lashkar-e-Jhangvi ke logo ki poori tafseel moujod hai.

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آپ حضرات جميع ديوبند کو مماتي کا نام ديتے هيں اور لوگوں کو بتاتے هيں که يه ايسا عقيده رکھتا هے۔ تاکه لوگ کهيں اهل حق کے پاس نه چلے جائيں۔حالانکه ديوبند کا عقيده هے که حضورﷺ اپني قبر اطهر ميں زنده هيں۔ اور جو يه بات نهيں مانتا وه نه اهلسنت والجماعت ميں سے هے اور نه هي ديوبند ميں سے۔

Iss per tafseeli baat baad mein kartay hain pehlay sirf aik seedhay se sawal ka jawab de dijiye.

Na'ra-e-Risalat ke jawab mein Ya Rasool'Allah kehna kaisa hai?

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کسي کي بات کا کيا مطلب هے يه کيسے پتا چلے گا اسکو معلوم کرنے کيلئے کئي مختلف راستے هيں۔

1۔ متکلم خور اپني عبارت کي وضاحت کرے۔

2۔ سياق و سباق سے عبارت کا مفهور اخذ کيا جائے۔

3۔ اسکے ساتھي جو اسکے ساتھ تعلق رکھتے هوں وه اس عبارت کا مطلب بتائيں۔ يعني اسکے گھرانے سے کوئي شخص اسکي باتوں کا مطلب واضح کرے۔

يه تين طريقے عام طور معتبر سمجھے جاتے هيں۔ کسي کي بات کا سهي مفهوم سمجھنے کے لئے۔

Iss kehtay hain khalis deobandiyat! Bay'painday ka loota bhi kya lurakta hoga jaisay aap deobandi hazrat idher se udher lurkay jatay hain. Mein yaha aap ke lootay'panay ki sirf 1 misaal deta hon baqi agar ghairat ho tu khud hi dhoond lijiye ga apnay aiteraaf mein.

Aap kehtay hain kisi ki baat ko samajhnay ke liye ya tu khud mutakallim ki wazahat dekhi jaye, ya siyaq-o-sabaq ko dekha jaye, ya phir uss se taaluqq rakhnay walo ki wazahat se samjha jaye. Tu phir ye bataiye ke Ala Hazrat ki waseeyat jo "Wasaya Sharif" ke naam se mash'hoor hai uss mein "Mera Deen-o-Mazhab" ibarat ko aap deobandi kis zariye se samajh kar aiteraaz kartay hain? Ye jo formula aap ne bayan kiya ye aap loota'chaap jamaat ko aiteraaz kartay waqt kyu yaad nahi aata? Uss waqt iss formulay ko paishaab mein ghool kar kyu pee jatay hain? Aap ne Rab Nawaz Hanfi ka naam tu suna hoga, kafi mashoor ho gaye ye phannay khan. Inn ki Paltalk per ki gai nafsiyaat bakwaas ki audio clips aap ki kafi websites per moujod hain, in mousof se issi mazkoora'bala hawalay ka matlab samajhtay huway aap ke bataye huway formulay mien kis option ko choose kiya hai? Pehlay apni daaghdaar dhootiyo ko saaf kijiye phir kisi ke daman per daagh talash kijiye ga.

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اب بات يه هے که مٹي کے ملنے کے دو معني سمجھ ميں آرهے هيں۔

1۔ مر کر مٹي ميں اسطرح مل جانا که وجود باقي نه رهے۔

2۔ موت کے بعد مٹي ميں ملنا (يعني مس کرنا) اور يه معني اگر ليا جائے تو مطلب ٹھيک هے۔ يعني جب دو اشياء کو آپس ميں ساتھ ملايا جائے تو هر ايک کا جسم دوسرے کو مس کر رها هوتا هے۔ ايسے هي جب صحابه رضوان الله عليهم اجمعين نے آپﷺ کو قبر اطهر ميں اتارا تو کيا آپ ﷺ کے جسم اطهر کيساتھ قبر اطهر کي مٹي مس نهيں هو رهي تھي؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

اگر هو رهي تھي تو مولانا کي عبارت ميں کيا خرابي هے۔

Ye taweel bhi bohut purani ho gai aur iss ka jawab mein aap ke khor'maghaz ulema ke munh per thappar per bhi kaee baar mara jaa chuka magar woh "Sharm magar hum ko nahi aati" ke misdaaq aap phir munh aagay kiye dete hain to ye lijiye.

Pehlay ibarat likh do phir aap ki taweel ka post-mortem kartay hain.

"Mein bhi aik din marr kar mitti mein milnay wala hon"

Aap ne taweel paish ki ke iss muraad "muss hona" hai. Tu ab ye bataiye ke aap ke iss qaiday ke mutabiq mandarja'zail ibaarat sahi hai ya ghalat, agar ghalat hai tu bataiye kyu?

1. Gangohi nay Nanotwi MEIN haath mila liya.

Janab Urdu mein iss "MIEN" ka istimaal tab hota hai jab 2 cheezien aik doosray ke andar gudmud ho jaye, ya aik doosray mein mill jaye, naa ke aik doosray SAY mil jaye.

Doodh mein paani milaya jata hai.. tu yaha mein iss liye ke dono ab aik dosray ka hissa ban gaye.. wohi baat jo aap ne number 1 mein kahi. Aap jis qaiday se taweel paish kar rahay hain tu iss hisaab se tu aap nahatay huway pani mein mil jaya kartay hon gay..chaltay hon gay tu zameen mein mill jaya kartay hongay. Hazrat koi sensible baat kijiye, ye bhoondi taweelat bohut purani ho gai.

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۔ وه جو صرف حلال اشياء کھاتا هے اسکو کھانا بالاتفاق حلال هے۔

2۔ وه جو صرف حرام کھاتا هے اسکو کھانا بالاتفاق حرام هے۔

3۔ وه کوا جو حلال اور حرام دونوں قسم کي اشياء کھاتا هے۔

يه امام صاحب کے نزديک جائز هے۔ اور امام ابو يوسف کے نزديک اسے کھانا مکروه هے ۔ اور صاحب کتاب نے فرمايا هے که امام ابو حنيفه رحمه الله کا قول زياده بهتر هے۔

Aap ne Kawwa Khor ka fatwa parha hai? "Zaagh-e-Maroofa"!! Ab ye bataiye ke maroof yaani common kawwa yehi kala kawwa hai jis ki nasal'kashi per deobandi tullay huway hain ya phir Zaagh-e-Maroofa se muraad deobandiyo ke Kawwa Farm ke kawway hain jinhay sakht nighe'daasht mein sirf halaal khoraak per hi pala jata hai?

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اگر الفاظ ايسے هوں جن سے مطلب نکالنے والا گستاخي کا مطلب بھي نکال سکتا هے اور صحيح مطلب بھي نکال سکتا هو تو اسکے بارے ميں آپکے علماء کيا فرماتے هيں۔

Sawal se munh chura kar bhagnay ke ye acha tareeqa hai! Janab jawab aap ne dena ke Ya Mohammadah bhai ke quoted reference se aap ko kya samajh aya? Aap ne jo sawal kiya hai pehlay tu khud aap hi se iss ka jawab matloob hai kyu ke aap ke ghar ke mullay ka qoul hai ke niyyat ho na ho agar alfaaz gustaakhi ke hain tu kufr hai! So pehlay apnay sawal ka khud jawab dijiye. Waisay darnay ki koi baat nahi...

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کيا آپکو هر علم کي بات همارے گھرانے سے هي ملتي هے۔ يا آپ کے علماء نے بھي کوئي علمي کارنامه سرانجام ديا هے۔؟

Humein apnay Ulema ki taraf se kuch milay na milay Ilm aur Kharafaat ke darmyaan farq karne ki tameez zaroor mil jati hai! Iss liye na humaray gharo mein Thanvi ke phailaya "bay'ghairti ka zewar" hota hai ke jisay parh kar khawateen tu khawateen mard sharm jaye, na humaray yaha peero tawaifoo se apnay munh per paishaab karwatay phirtay hain, na humaray akabiro ke apnay bhaiyoo ke saro per paishaab karne ke kissay paye jatay hain, na humaray Darul-Uloom mein Gangohi/Nanotwi Charpai Olympics hotay hain... Khair ye list tu bohut taweel hai chali hi rahay gi, chooriye isay.

  اقتباس

يه باتيں ميں نے اسلئے دريافت کي هيں که ميں کچھ اور گفتگو چاهتا هوں۔ تاکه کھل کر بات هو۔

Gangohi ki tarah na khulliye ga!! Ye Darul-Uloom Deoband ki chaarpai nahi!

  اقتباس

اس تصوير ميں جو عبارت لال رنگ کے ڈبے ميں دکھائي گئي هے اسکے لکھنے والے کا کيا حکم هو گا۔

Aap ki attachment nazar nahi aa rahi. Baraye'mehrbaani dobara attach kijiye.

Baqiya jawabaat InshAllah jald hi aa jaye gay.. Filhaal tu request itni si hai ke post kartay huway fonts ko normal rakhiye 2pt ya 3pt. Ye koi secondary school ke exams tu hain nahi ke jageh purr karnay per aap zyada numbers ki umeed karein...

Yaha thoray din Eid ki khushiyoo mein kya masroof huway her kunway se maindak bramad ho gaya hai... khair...

Sunny sahib, mein ne pura topic tu nahi parha magar aap her post mein yehi roona rootay nazar aatay hain ke aap ki baat ka jawab nahi dya jaa raha.. topic ko divert kiya jaa raha hai waghaira waghaira... Aap ko kafi bhaiyo ne jawabaat diye lekin mein yaha final summary likhay deta hon mumkin ho iss mein aap ko apnay tamaam sawalaat ka jawab mil jaye... lekin shart ye hain ke post ko sirf dekhiye ga matt.. parhiye ga!

  sunny_prince2020 said:

is baat ko sabit karo k ye akhbar may jo bayan hay unho nay lafz to lafz ese hi dia hay akhbar wala nay khud nahi apni taraf sey likha

Maazrat ke saath ..bohut hi bachkana si taweel hai hazrat! Akhbaar walay ko kisi pagal wahabi ne tu kaata nahi ke woh aap hazrat ke ulema ke bayan mein radd-o-badal kar ke shaya kar de! Aap ke Banori Town walo ko tu waisay hi hangama'arai kar ke jalao ghirao mein maharat hai.. kaun pagal Akhbaar wala aap ke Ulema ka bayan badal kar chaapnay ki ghalti kar ke apni mout ko dawat de ga? Shamzai sahab ke qatal per jis mein Akhbaar walo Bank walo ka kasoor na tha uss mein becharo ke office jala diye gaye tu aisi sangeen ghalti per tu aap ke ghairat'mand deobandi hazrat Akhbaar walay ka ghar bhi jala detay!

Khair, aap ki ittila ke liye arz hai ke agar aisi koi ghalat'bayani ki gai hoti tu aap ke Ulema ki taraf se uss ka radd bhi kiya gaya hota ke janab hum ne aisa koi bayan nahi diya. Ab zahir hai ke kal ko kisi akhbaar mein Zar Wali Khan sahab ke naam se bayan chaap diya jaye ke "Thanvi Shatim-e-Rasool hai" to zahir hi si baat hai ke Zar Wali Khan Sahab khull kar iss ki tardeed karein gay ke mein ne aisa koi bayan nahi diya. Aur deegar Akhbaaro mein iss tardeed ki ishaa'at kar ke uss ghalat bayani karnay walay akhbaar ki mazammatt bhi ki jaye gi.

Agar aisi koi tardeed aap ke Deobandi Ulema ki taraf se shaya huwi hai tu iss ka saboot paish karna aap ke zimmay! Aap ko kam-o-baish yehi jawab aik doosray bhai ne diya tu aap ne jawab kaha ke;

  sunny_prince2020 said:

kia wo action ap ko bata kar lain gey

or agar action letey hain to kia un par farz ho jata hay k wo special islamimehfil may apko bataney k liye ain

ya ye action itna bara hona chahiye k sari dunya may khabar phail jaye

Janab thoray aqal ke naakhun lijiye! Agar koi action liya gaya hai tu uss ka saboot paish kijiye.. hum ne kaha rooka hai aap ko! Lekin sirf gumaan ke "action lya gaya hogaaa.." ke base per tu aap kisi ilzaam ko radd nahi kar saktay. Hum inkaar nahi kartay ke action nahi lya, hum to sirf mutalibaa kar rahay hain ke agar iss Akhbari bayan ki tardeed mein aap ke Ulema ne kuch kaha hai tu saboot ke saath paish kar dein. Mamla sab ke saamnay saaf ho jaye ga ke Akhbaar ne ghalat bayani ki aur aap ke Ulema ne uss ka Khullay'aam radd kar diya.

Action bara ho ya choota, Islamimehfil per liya gaya ho ya Darul'Uloom Deobandi ke Bayt'ul'Khala mein! Iss se humein koi saro-kaar nahi. Aap sirf koi saboot paish kar dijiye ke iss Akhbaari Hawalay ke khilaaf ya radd mein Deobandi Ulema ne koi Bayan diya ho ya koi bhi choota ya bara ya nanha munna sa action liya ho.

  sunny_prince2020 said:

meri baat ka jawab phir reh gaya

or hazraat nay idher udher ki batain kar k baat gool mool kar di

smart bhai nay bari chalaki karney ki koshish ki hay

smart bhai thori si urdu seekh lain suna tha karachi walon ki achi hoti hay lakin ab lagta hay purey pakistan may cabel nay bera gharaq kar dia hay

anywayz

may nay shairi ki baat nahi ki thi shairi may shair Takhayul istamal karta hay agar shairi ki hi baat karni hay to A'la hazrat sab sey barey kuttey hon gey

mey nay nick par baat ki thi or sag sahab ko bura bhi nahi man na chahiye tha agar may nay un ko kutta keh dia

kiun k ye naam to unho nay hi rakha tha

Urdu mein tu tabsara nahi karta mein albatta aap ko apni English ki tas'heeh karni chahiye. Lafz "Cabel" nahi "Cable" hota hai .. aur iss Cable ne Pakistan ka bayra gharak kiya ho ya nahi lekin iss "Chatting" ne humari nasal ki bool chaal ka bayra gharak zaroor kar diya jo aik seedhay se English word "Anyways" ko "Anywayz" banay diya jis ki koi tukk hi nahi banti siwaye bekaar ke chichoor'panay ke!

Khair, aap ne kaha ke "shairi may shair Takhayul istamal karta hay" .. ab agar bilkul aap hi mantak se jawab diya jaye tu... Takhaiyull maani khayal.. matlab ke Qasim Nanotwi sahab khud apnay khayal mein Kuttay thay.. ab zoor se kahiye HAA! Khair ye doghlay'baazi aap hi deobandiyo ko mubarak ke apnay mullay per baat aye tu Shairi ka Takhaiyull yaad ajata hai aur humaray Ala Hazrat ki shairi mein her baat haqeeqi maani mein le kar Kufr ke fatway chapay jatay hain...

Gul gaye gulshan gaye jungle dhatooray reh gay

Aqal walay sab chal diye ab baysha'ooray reh gaye

Khair kehnay ka maqsad ye ke jis tarah aap Qasim Nanotwi ke shair ki safai mein keh rahay hain ke Shair Takhaiyull istimaal karta hai issi tarah aap ko yehi bhi maloom hona chahiye ke Nisbat-o-Alqaab mein bhi Takhaiyull ki tarah ghair'haqeeqi aur Mijaazi maani istimaal hotay hain. Sagg-e-Attar bhi nisbat hai aur nisbat haqeeqi maani mein hi ki jaye ye zaroori nahi. Jaisay Hazrat-e-Ali (Radi Allahu Anhu) ko Shair-e-Khuda kaha jata hai tu Nauzubillah aap jaisay ghooncho iss se ye muraad lein gay ke Hazrat-e-Ali (Radi Allahu Anhu) Bashar nahi Shair thay?

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Iss ke ilawa deegar posts mein aap yehi roona rootay nazar aatay hain ke aap ki post ka jawab nahi diya, baat ignore kar di and all that... Ab iss post ko poora parh lijiye aur bataiye ke agar koi baat reh gai ho tu. Aur ye bhi decide kar lijiye ke aap ne agay kis mouzo per baat karni hai... Sag walay issue per ya apnay Ulema ke Akhbaari karnamay per?

  smartguycool said:

yar koi wo video yahan upload kare plz take mai use dekhon...aur ek bat plz mujhe yahan sab profe dain jis jis ke pas ho ke qari saeed jo pehle deobandi the phir brailvi ho gaye mujhe deobandi forum pe aj ek bande ne kaha ke wo dobara deobandi hogaye hain plz is ka koi jawab de do yar....appp log pata nahi kyo us froum pe nai aate hum wahan kam hain aur bara masla hota hai hamare sath khas tor pe mere pas koi prove nahi hota muujhe search karna parta hai...plz...video upload karen aur ye bhi bataye ke qadri sahab kya dobara deobandi hogaye hain profe ke sath take mai jawab de sakon

Acha jee matlab ye Chan kaanriye sahab ne phir Kawwa biryani ke nashay mein koi video banai hai....khair koi nahi.. I know ke zyada'tar bakwaas tu wohi hogi jis ka jawab hazaaro baar diya jaa chuka hai.. aur jo new bakwaas hogi woh uss layak hi na hogi ke Ulema uss ka jawab dein tu uss ke hum jaisay na'cheez hi bohut.

Aur aap kis forum per aanay ki baat kar rahay hain? Orkut per tu mein hon, lekin masla itna hai ke sunniyo ko dekh kar inn deobandiyo ka pitta pani ho jata hai... Mein in ki baishtar communities mein ban hon, balkay ab tu shayad new community banatay howay bhi in to-do-list mein sab se pehlay mujhay ban karna hai hai kyu ke bohut si aisi communities jo mein ne kabhi join ki hi nahi waha per bhi mein ban hon Fiker na kijiye.. koonay khudro mein munh chupa kar baat karna inhi ka shu'aar hai inhay hi mubarak. Jab khul kar maidan mein aiye gay tu jawab bhi diya jaye ga.

  sunny_prince2020 said:

smartguy bhai may apko bara acha trick bata ta hon ap aik new id banain isi forum may or deobandi ban kaye ayen or deobandiyon k wo hi etrazaat yahan karain phir apko zaroor kuch na kuch mil jaye ga warna mushkil hay

Sunny janab, pehli baat tu ye ke kisi sunni ko bhai bool kar gaali na dijiye, jawab mein joota parr jaye ga. Doosri baat, aap pehlay apnay banaye howay topics per tu baat kar lijiye baad mein idher udher gulaathiya mariye ga.

Aap ne doosray topic mein Ilm-e-Ro'ya ke mutaliqq kuch baatien ki, tu hazrat uss khuwab ki tabeer bhi apnay kisi mustnadd alim se likhwa kar laa dijiye... yaha doosro ko mashwara dene se acha aisay kuch mashwaray apnay liye bhi hasil kijiye kyu ke deobandi hazrat ke Khuwaboo ki dastaan tu bohut lambi hai. Aap agar thori si himmat karein tu kuch aur bhi khuwaab hain deobandi hazrat ko jin ki tabeer jannay ki bari khuwashish hai... kahiye kya khayal hai?

First of all, sorry for being out of the picture all these days... its Ramadan ... I said it all.

I dont have time to explain things in detail but I want ACTUAL REFERENCES for Dr. Tahir's comments over Aurat ki Diyyat.

Anything, scan/audio but the real one. Not from the books or speeches made in refutation to him. Please consider it IMPORTANT!

I read in Waqar-ul-Fatawa that Dr. Tahir's comments over this issue has been published in many newspapers, namely Naway-e-Waqt. If anybody got a scan or anything like it please respond asap!

I seriously need my brothers to respond to this at their earliest, I'll tell the detail laters.. no time for this now...

  Mutlaashi said:

 

Main nay PalTalk download or install to ker lia hay or id bhi bana li hay laikin jab room join ker ta hoon to wo upgrade maang ta hay wo bhi dollar main

 

ab kia karoon aap logoon ki mazeed help chah ta hoon

 

 

Sajid Ali (Mutlaashi)

Try these...though I havent tried it myself!

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...&hl=paltalk

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...&hl=paltalk

  786Ahlesunnat said:

Mentioned in Arwaa-e-Thalatha from Tazkiratul-Rasheed that, “In Lahori province, a Punjabi Majzoob (recluse) used to reside. Haji Abdur-Rahim Sahib who was a resident of the same locality, set out on a journey to visit Haramain-Shareefain (Mecca and Medina) by ship. On the journey, a glass fell down into the sea from Hazrat’s (Abdur-Rahim) hand. In just a while, a hand appeared from the sea holding the glass and disappeared as soon as Hazrat took the glass. In Lahori, the Majzoob said to the servants of Abdur-Rahim, ‘A glass had fallen from the hands of your Haji Sahib. It was me who gave it back to him’. When Haji Abdur-Rahim returned from Hajj, he was informed of this saying of the Majzoob. Haji Abdur-Rahim said that the incident was true, but he was unable to recognize whose hand it wa

 

Scan ref hay kisi bahi kay pas?

It wasnt a glass... it was LOOTA!

I hope the scanned image will be provided soon

  Basit Mahmood Qadri Razavi said:

Asalam o Alaykum wa rehmatullahe wa barakatuhu wa magfiratuhu,

 

I am in need of a reference (with scanned page) from Book called "Rasm al-Mufti" by al-Imam Muhammad Amin ibn 'Abidin.

 

Could someone help please.

 

Basit Mahmood Qadri Razavi

balixonline@hotmail.com

Basit tum bhi kasam se hadd kartay ho! Reference kis cheez ka chahiye woh tu batatay! Let me explain;

My jigri friend Basit wants a reference of Rasm-ul-Mufti which says something like this;

There is a principle in this book which says that it is possible that writing can be similar or tone can be similar or even signature can be similar but the reader must believe that the fatwa is from the mufti whose name is written there.

Iss kitab Rasm-ul-Mufti mein Muftiyan-e-Kiram ka aik usool bayan kiya gaya hai ke even agar Muhar ya Tehreer ya Signature mein kisi ko shakk ho ya iss ka imkaan ho ke fatwa asal Mufti ka nahi balkay man'gharat ya jhoota hai tu bhi agar aisay kisi fatwa per kisi Mufti ka naam darj ho tu parhnay walay ko yaqeen kar lena chahiye ke Fatwa asal hai.

I am not sure if I explained it properly or not... so Basit khud thora tafseel se likh do yaha... Mein Sagg-e-Attar bhai ko msg bhi kar diya koi na koi jawab tu aye ga hi!

Seems like they've changed their ealier statement. I've checked the same page again and this is what it says;

Q. Is KFC chicken Halal? A. Unfortunately we do not currently use Halal chicken in any of our UK or Irish stores.

http://kfc.co.uk/faqs.aspx#qhalal

I think Munazira howa nahi tha, Munaziray ke liye Dr. Tahir ko bulwaya gaya tha, ye aye bhi thay aur phir aa kar Waaz-o-Taqreer ke liye kharay ho gaye. Logo ne kaha ke munaziray hona hai taqreer chooriye to issi baat pe kuch hungama howa aur kuch reports ke mutabiq Dr. Sahib aur un ke saathi masjid ke deewarein kood ke bhagay thay.

  Sarfaraz said:

Dear its Quran by ALLAH subhan wa tallah

 

mujhe kia molvi jo marzi kahtay rahain

 

unless k woh mujhe koi reference na dain Quran se ya authentic hadith se

 

molviyo ka kia hai batain kartay rahtay hain

 

main ne unhain apna rabb thora hi banaya hai as referenced by verse 31 of Surah Tauba with its tafseer in sahi bukhari vol 6 which is written above ...

Nah! Its not JUST Quran by Allah . Quran is what you can see written in Arabic, the rest is its interpretation, which is for sure done by humans and can be wrong! Even if its not wrong its us, the humans who can make severe mistakes in understanding it. So what you've posted is not actually from a divine source or anything like it.

Ye jo posts ki hain iss mein tafsir inn Moulviyo ki hi hai! Khair, aap ne Quran-e-Karim se hawalajaat tu paish kar diye ab zara apna maqsad bhi bayan kijiye. Warna paste karnay ko tu mein yaha poora Quran-e-Karim hi paste kardo aur kehdo ke parh lo.. hidayat hi hidayat hai. Agar kisi maamlay per aap apni raye paish karna chahtay hain tu khul kar baat kijiye. Sharmanay ki koi baat nahi. Moulviyo ka sahara tu aap waisay hi lena pasand nahi kartay. Hawala likh kar kuch tabsarra khud hi kar dijiye takay yaha users ko maloom tu ho ke aap kis mamlay per kya kehna chah rahay hain.

  talinenoor said:

Asslamoalaikum 2 all muslims,

 

Jahan tak taluq hai Angrezon se Ahlehadees naam ka ijraa to iss main kon si burri baat hai. Jo hamara haq tha ham ne hasil kia. Aaj ager India main Babri Masjid ka faisla Musalmanon k haq main aa jaata hai to kia yeh kaha jae ga k Babri Masjid hindu logon se hasil ki gai hai. Zahir hai Babri masjid musalmanon ki hi hai. Issi tarah ahlehadees naam pehle bhi istimaal kia jaata tha, mager jab iss ko wahabi ke naam se pukara jane laga to asal baat tasleem kerwai gai k ham Ahlehadees hain, Al-Hamdulillah

Kam se Kam ya-Muhammadah ki yeh galat-fehmi to door ho k Ahlehadees banana na-mumkin aur jhoot hai.

wasalam

Miya ye aap ka haqq nahi aap ke libada hai jisay oorh kar sunniyo ko behkana ka mission shuru kya gaya. Warna awaam tu aap ko Wahabi ke naam se pukarti thi aur iss ka saboot khud aap Ghair'muqallideen ke jayyad ulema ki kitabo se sabit hai. Raha aap ke ye dawa ke "Ahle'Hadith" ki nisbat pehlay bhi istimaal ki jati thi tu uss ka saboot tu paish karna aap ke zimmay. Balkay yaha tu zaroor 2 batoo ka saboot dene ki hogi. Awwal tu ye ke ba'qaida officially "Ahle'Hadith" ke naam se koi jamaat mojoud thi, aur agar aisi koi jamaat thi tu kya uss ke aqaid wohi thay jo aaj ki mojoudah naam'nihad Ahle'Hadiths jamat ke hain?

Waisay yaha aik baat samajh nahi aati. Ye jo Istiaanat ke mouzo per Wahabi bawlay shirk biddat ke fatwo ki firing kartay phirtay hain, yehi fatwa inhay apnay akabir per maartay itni sharam kyu aati hai? Matlab Wahabi ke naam se pukaray janay per khud ko "Ahle'Hadith" kehalwaya bhi tu British government se! Usooli tour per tu chahiye tha ke khullay asmaan ke neechay Allah se dua kartay kartay iss naam ko khud ke liye alott kartay. Khair baat niklay gi tu phir door talak jaye gi... Filhaal tu aap ye saboot paish kijiye ke Britishers ki paida karda Ahle'Hadith se pehlay bhi koi jamaat baaqaida tour per Ahle'Hadith ke naam se jani jati thi.

Naqsh-e-Paa'-e-Ghous-e-Azam (Radi Allahu Anhu)

  KABBARIYA said:

As Salam o Aliykum,,, keya kisi bahi kay pass dr farhat hashmi kay barein mein koi maloomat hein, koi article ,ya ulma e ahly sunnat ki koi book ?

Nothing more but an another Jew-funded Ghair'Muqallid. In a T.V broadcast she defined the arrival of Hazrat Adam (Allaihe Salam) in this world as "Buhat be aabroo ho ker terey koochay say ham nikley". Will get back with more information soon

Najany kitnay munaziray howay, kitnay mubahisay howay, howa kya? Humara kawwa sufaid hai ke misdaaq ya tu deobandi munazir munaziray choor kar bhaag gaye ya phir kisi aur bahanay se munaziray adhooray reh gaye... Waisay Taha ye Haq Nawaz Jhangwi bhi deobandi hi tha na? Ya phir munazira harne ke baad isay deobandiyatt se kharij kar dya gaya? Agar deobandi tha tu pehlay tu ussi munaziray ko haarnay ke asbaab bata do ke agar deobandi haq per hain tu woh munazira haray hi kyu? Khair munaziray ki baatein tu chalti rahein gi..

Mera tu choota sa sawal hai. Rab Nawaz Hanfi, bara mashoor bawla hai tumhara, iss ka phone no. ho sakay tu kahi se laa do.

  Muhammad Faiq said:

Insaan Galti ka putla hae... Hamm saab koe Allah sae aapnae apnae ghonahoin ke maffee mangnee chaaheeyae... orr Haqq baat ko samajna her Musalman per firze hae... Allah haam saab koe Quraan or Hadith kae aayain mutabiq zindagi guzaarnae ke tofeeeeq dae (Ameeeeeeen).

Just take a look at the problems of the Matn and Sanad in this hadith;

Imam Al Hakem narrated the Hadith among others, and only he went to say after the hadith: "it is authentic, they did not narrate it (Bukhari and Muslim), yet in it there is a disagreement on Ata bin Saa'ib".

Dr. Israr said what the Khawarej claimed, who are the core of Nasibi's. And that Imam Al-Hakem after the hadith said: "The khawarej claimed that, yet the hadith (which is authentic in the eyes of the Hakem) states that Ali (Radi Allahu Anhu) is the narrator, not the leader of the salat, and Allah purified him from their accusation".

So you see Imam Al-Hakem denounced the Khawarej for that and when narrating the Hadith, which he says has some versions, and the following is the most authentic form:

The hadith explicitly states that Hazrat Abdur-Rahman bin Auf (Radi Allahu Anhu) made food and led the prayers. On that basis Imam Hakem denounced the accusation of the Khawarej that Imam Ali led the salat drunk.

Furthermore, Imam Ibn Hajar said: "this story is known for Abdur-Rahman bin Auf" 6/250 Fat'h Al Bari.

Translation:

This hadith is authenticated by Tirmidhi, Abu Dawod and Nasa'i also narrated and in the Isnaad: Ata bin Assaa'ib, and the hadith is not known except from him..!

Yahya bin Ma'in said: "his narration should cannot be used as an evidence", and sometimes he used to seperate between his old and his new narrations.

Imam Ahmad agreed with Yahya bin Ma'in on that.

Imam Al Bazzra said: "we do not know this hadith with a continuous Isnaad except from Ata bin Assa'ib"

Imam Munthiri said: "This hadith has problems in its Isnaad and its Matn. With its isnaad, it is narrated from Sufyan and Abu Ja'far Ar-Razy in a Mursal way (mursal is part of weak). As for the problems in the Matn, it is because in Abu Dawood and Tirmithi the one who prayed is Ali, and in Nasa'i and An-Nahhas: the one who prayed is Abur-Rahman bin Auf, and in the narration of Abu Bakr Al-Bazzar: a man was asked to lead and he was not named, and in other narrations: somebody from the group came foreward and led".

As you know, difference such as this is called: Muttareb Matn, i.e. conflicting versions, and Matareb is part of Weak Hadith, per the Matn.

Then Imam Hakem in Tafsir Surat An-Nisa, by way of Ata bin Assa'ib said: Ali said: "a man from the Ansaar invited us to his home before the prohibition of Alcohol, and Salat Al Magreb came. A man came foreward and led, and hemade a mistake when reciting (ya ayyuha al-kafiroon), then Allah revealed the ayah ( la taqrabu assalata wa ntum sukara = do not pray while drunk)". Imam Hakem said: Saheeh.

But as you can easily notice that the hadith says explicitly that Sayyidina Ali was not the Imam, further more, no where does it say that Sayyidina Ali even drank!!!.

Now a little about Nasiruddin Albani whom Dr. Israr addressed as "Muhaddis-e-Azam"!

A watch repairman by trade, Albani is a self-taught claimant to hadith scholarship who has no known teacher in any of the Islamic sciences and has admitted not to have memorized the Quran nor any book of hadith, fiqh, aqaid, usul, or grammar. Kicked out of rom Syria then Saudi Arabia and lived in Amman, Jordan under house-arrest until his death in 1999. Countless scholarly refutation have been written against Albani's diabolical beliefs. Now let me just show a glimspe of his crap;

In his book Adab al-Zafaf he prohibits women from wearing gold jewelry - rings, bracelets, and chains.

In Tamam al-Minna he declares that masturbation does not annul one's fast. In five of his books (Ahkam al-Jana'iz wa Bida`uha, Talkhis Ahkam al-Jana'iz, Tahdhir al-Sajid, Hijjat al-Nabi, and Manasik al-Hajj wa al-`Umra) he calls for the demolition of the Green Dome of the Prophet's Mosque in Madina Munawwara and for taking the Prophet's grave outside the Mosque. He declares in his Fatawa (p. 53) that its prohibited HARAM and an innovation to lengthen the beard over a fistful's length and that declares Dr. Israr's beard as HARAM! Go and tell the doc to shorten his beard as his so called Muhaddis-e-Azam said so!

For sure Dr. Israr will soon be burning right next to Albani in hell!

  Nasir Noman said:

Hum ney kaha tha key hum gher zaroori baton per behas nahi kary gey sirif jo khas point hain us per baat kary gey.

Aap ke paas bolnay ko ab kuch nahi bacha tu aik hi baat ko her post mein likhay ja rahay hain. Aap ne jin khaas khaas points per baat ki hai ussi ka jawab diya hai hum ne so ye bekaar ki baansi bajana band kijiye aur kaam ki baat per aiye.

  Nasir Noman said:

Is ka seedha jawab ye hai key “Quraan Pak or Hadees Pak Arbi zuban main hai or Arbi zuban Arab ki zuban hai or Arbi Ulama or Arbi key Mahireen sey acha Quraan or Hadees ka Tarjuma or Tashreeh koi nahi samjh sakta,(Khas tor per Deen key Bunyadi ehkamat)

 

”Islam ka qanoon (Quraan o Hadees) to nahi kahta”

Kaun kehta hai? Quran ya Hadith? Iss ka jawab aap de chukay ke Quran-o-Hadith tu nahi kehta. Tu phir iss per daleel kya hai? Koi nahi! Kehnay walay (yani aap) ka ilmi maqaam kya hai? Kuch bhi nahi. So ye humaray liye hujjat nahi. Apni fatwa'baazi aap apnay ghar tak hi mehdood rakhiye. Humien tu daleel chahiye Quran-o-Hadith se. Agar hai tu paish kijiye warna aap ki zaati mantak aap ka zaati faisla humare liye koi maani nahi rakhta. Ab iss mouzo per tab hi baat kijiye ga jab koi daleel ho. Aap ka abhi itna Ilmi maqaam nahi ke aap keh dien aur ummat ke liye aap ka kaha hujjat ho jaye.

  Nasir Noman said:

1-Salman Rushdi ko itney Awards diey gaey wo Islam sey Dushmani ki waja sey diey gaey.(missal ye hubb-e-Ali nahi Bughaz-e-Moawia hai)

 

(Matlab English ki khidmaat sey ziada Islam dushmani ki waja sey)

 

2-Salaman Rushdi ko awards koi English books ki English writer sey achhi translate kerney par nahi dia gaya.

 

3- Salman Rushdi ney ager English seekhi to us ney sarey English writers ko challenge nahi kia key main tum sab sey achhi English janta hoon.

 

4-Salman Rushdi ki books ko bohat sarey British ney Tasleem kia,

 

Kia aap bata saktey hain key kis ney Brailvi Ulama ki translate ko kitney awards miley ya Arab Ulama ney Taaeed ki ho?

1. Islam dushmani ka English writing se kya lena dena? Be'shakk uss ki khabasat per ussay Islam dushmano ne jaani aur maali dono tour per tahaffuz dya magar "English Literature" se is ka kya lena dena?

2. Salman Rushdie ko awards English books jaddi pushti Britishers se bohut achi Enlish likhnay per diya gaya jo ke translation se zyada mushkil kaam hai. Translation mein aap ke pas sab kuch likha likhaya hota hai ussi ko translate karna hota hai jab ke authoring mein aap ko khud likhna parta hai. Ab ye bataiye ke Quran bhaijna wala Allah bartar ya Quran ko translate karnay wala bartar? Kalam tu Allah ka hai, sara kamal tu Allah ke kamal ka hai. Banday ka kamal tu sirf uss ka tarjuma karna hai tu bartar zahir hai Kalam wala howa na ke kalam ka tarjuma karnay wala.

3. Salman Rushdie nay agar aisa koi challenge nahi kiya tu aisa koi challenge tu humaray ulema nay bhi nahi kiya ke hum se behtar Arabi koi nahi janta. Agar kabhi aap ko humaray ulema ki kitabein parhnay ki toufiq howi ho tu uss mein aap ko khud hi nazar aa jaye ga ke humaray Ulema khud Arab ke Ulema-e-Haqq se aksar-o-baishtar istadlaal kartay hain. So jab iss tarah ka koi dawa humaray ulema ki taraf se kya hi nahi gaya tu aap iss per kyu roye jaa rahay hain? Ainda fuzool batoo se perhaiz kijiye ga.

4. Sirf Ad'Daulat-ul-Makkia per hi 77 Ulema-e-Arab ki tasdeeq moujod hai! Ye sirf 1 kitab ka ihwaal.. aap ko agar tafseeli list chahiye tu bata dijiye mein Ulema ke naam ke saath faraham kar do ke kitnay Ulema-e-Arab ne humaray Imam Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan ki shaan mein kya kya kaha!

  Nasir Noman said:

Ye apkey alfaz jo teesri dafa hum post kar rahy hain ap shayad perh nahi rahy:

 

“Be'shakk Quran-o-Hadith Arabi mein hai aur jo ke Arab bashindo ki madri zaban hai aur unhay ba'haisiyatt apni qoumi zaban ke, Arabi per hum se zyada uboor hai.

 

Lekin jo mantak aap paish kar rahay hain woh samajh se bala'tar hai.

 

Arabi hona be'shakk iss baat ki daleel ho sakti hai ke unhay Arabi non-Arabs se zyada achi samajh aa jaye.”

Ye apkey alfaz hain humarey nahi hain.

Iss bay'ghairti se jhoot bolna aap hi ke maslak ke bus ki baat hai! Pehlay dekhiye ke aap ne mujh per ilzaam kya lagaya tha;

Aap ka jhoot aur meri kahi howi baat, dono samnay hai. Mujhay highlight kar ke bata dijiye meri statement mein kaha ye alfaaz ya iss tarjuma aur tashreeh ke mutalliq meri iss tarah ki koi bhi baat mojoud hai. Jhoot boltay sharam tu aani nahi aap ko ke ye aap ke maslak ka turra-e-imtiaz hai. Lekin bila'shuba jis be'ghairti se aap ne iss jhoot ko sach sabit karne ke doosra jhoot bola uss ki misaal nahi!

Lanatullahe al'al-Kazibeen!

  Nasir Noman said:

Is ka jawab apko humari new thread main miley gey Intezar kijey

Hadd hai jahalat ki! Khud hi baat kartay hain aur jab jawab thappar ban kar munh per parta hai tu kehtay hain ke iss ka jawab new thread mein do ga! Nasir miya ye bakwaas aap ne hi ki thi naa;

"Kia aap in bunyadi aqeedey ko samjhney key liyain Ulama ki Tafseer ki zaroorat perti hay jabkey Quraan Pak main bohat sari jaghoon per wazeh ehkamat mojood hain,"

Issi ke jawab mein aap ko Quran se hawala diya hai. Ab iss ka jawab dene ke liye new thread mein janay ki kya zaroorat paish aa gai? Aap ke under ka mujtahidd ab kaha marr gaya? Aap ko tu wazeh ehkamaat samajh aa jatay hain baghair ulema ke paas jaye! Tu phir meri quote ki howi ayat ka jawab denay mein aap ki jaan kyu jaa rahi hai. Iss ka jawab tu aap ko issi thread mein dena paray ga. Kyu ke ye aap hi ki baat ka jawab hai jo aap ne issi thread mein ki.

Haa Ghair'Allah se madad walay topic ko aap zaroor discuss kijiye alehda topic bana kar.

  Nasir Noman said:

Apki age kahin 60 ya 70 to nahi ?

 

Ager essa hi hai to ab hum samjh rahy hian key masla kahan hai

 

Ap sey kafi time sey baat kar rahy hain pehley to hum samjh rahy they key apko ghalat fehmi horahi hai or hum bar bar wazahat sey apki ghalat fehmi door kerney ki koshish ker rahy they mager ab hum samjh gey ap sirif zid kar rahy hain jis ka sirif ek hi hal hai,

 

Wesey apki Itelaa key liyain araz hai key humari ye bewaqoofana muntaq http://noormadinah.nett per Sulaiman Subhani sirif 05 din main samjh gaey they or unhon ney 10 din forum band rakhi or phir jab open ki to humain ban bhi kia or post bhi delete kerdi thi.

 

Yaha ek bat zehan main rakhiey ga key unhon ney or bohat sarey waha key member ney dawa kia tha key wo humarey sawalat ka jawabat dain gey mager jab unko humari”bewaqoofana muntaq” (apkey hisab sey)samjhaai to bagher jawabat diey hi delete kerdi

 

Ap is link per click kary or Sulaiman Subhani sahib sey pooochh lain.

 

http://ashraf786.com main Nomee sey poochain unka iqrar mojood hai key hum ap key jawab deyney sey qasir rahy.

Aap ke saath doosray forums per kya howa kya nahi iss per behes karnay ka faida? Youn tu mein bhi najanay wahabis ki kitnay forums/communities per baat karne jaa chuka aur waha per siray se kisi wahabi mein himmat hi nahi howi ke baat karay. Ya tu khud bhaag gaye ya mujhay ban kar diya. Lekin inn sari baato ka yaha iss mouqay per karne ka kya maqsad? Topic kya hai aur aap kis baat per roye jaa rahay hain khud dekh lein. Topic start kiya tha Milad per, phir rootay rootay aye Ulema-e-Arab aur Ulema-e-Hind waghaira ke maslay phir, phir bhagay Ghair'Allah se madad ke maslay per!

Aap doosray forums ko roona chooriye iss forum ki baat kijiye. Yaha sabhi dekh rahi hain aap ki halat. Sawab gandum jawab channa wali baatein kartay hain aap. Milad per aiteraaz kar ke topic bana kar jab ruswa honay lagay tu roona lagay ke ye bunyaadi masla nahi, bunyaadi masla tu Ghair'Allah se madad, Hazir-o-Nazir waghaira hai... Aray tu miya aap ko chahiye tha na ke pehlay unn bunyaadi masail per baat kartay. Hum ne rooka thori na tha aap ko.

Aur aap ka ye dawa ke unhay aap ki bakwaas per mabni guftugo samajh aa gai tu unse jawab na diye gaye ye bhi aap ka zehni fitoor hai. Wohi baat hai ke pagal kisi rasta chaltay ko patthar maray aur woh banda chup chaap chala jaye tu pagal kahay; "Dekha darr gaya"! Hum iss tarah ke bawlo se uljhaa nahi kartay. Aap shayad ab tak ye samajh rahay hon ke hum aap se behes kar rahay hain. Hargizz nahi! Aap ki abhi itni ilmi auqaat hi nahi ke aap se iss kism ke ilmi masail per baat ki jaye. Yaha sirf aur sirf aap apni jahalat ki tarjumani kar rahay hain aur hum sirf isay projection de rahay hain ke dekh lo sunniyo, ye halat hai najdiyo/wahabiyo ke imaan aur ilm ki!

  Nasir Noman said:

3 time Shah Tarub Ul Haq sahib ko bhijwa chukey hain mukhtalif un key shagirdon key hath mager unhon ney bhi Humari bewaqoofana mantaq koi jawab nahi dia(yaha ye baat zehan main rakhiey ga bewaqoofana muntaq ki waja sey nahi kio key Shah sahib key Shagiron ka dawa tha key Shah sahib jawab zaroor dain gey)

 

02 time Tahir ul Qadri sahib ko bhej chukey hain ek dafa direct or ek dafa Tahir sahib key shagird-e-khas(Ali Gondel) key hath mager abhi tak wo sahib bhi dawa kerney key bawajood wapis nahi aaey.

 

Kuchh dost India key jinhon ney bhi humari bewaqoofana muntaq key jawab dey ney ka dawa kia tha,

Allah hi behtar janta hai ke woh sawalaat Shah Sahib tak pohanchay ya nahi ya aap ne sawalaat bhaijay bhi ke nahi. Lekin aik baat samajh nahi aati. Aap keh rahay hain ke Shah Sahib ke "Shagirdo" ke haatho sawalaat bhijwaye, aur jaha tak mere ilm mein hai Shah Sahib Dars-o-Tadrees ke shubay mein tu hai hi nahi. Ustaad aur Muallim mein farq hota hai.

Aap nay sawalaat bhaijay ya nahi ye baat bhi yaqeeni tour per nahi kahi jaa sakti. Iss tarah ke sawalaat bhaijay jatay hain tu koi saboot bhi hota hai jaisa ke Hazrat Allama Abbas Rizwi Sahib ke Wahabiyo se sawalaat, jinhay posters ki shikal mein chaapa ja chuka aur aaj tak uss ke jawab dene ke liye poori wahabiyatt mein se koi samnay nahi aya.

Baqi aap ke paas agar sawalaat hain tu unhay yaha post kar dijiye. Aap ko yahi jawab mil jaye ga

Rahi aap ki mantak tu uss ko sabit karne ke liye tu khud aap ke paas bhi kuch nahi. Khud aap ne iqraar kar liya ke Quran-o-Hadith tu ye nahi kehta. Tu jab Quran-o-Hadith aap ki mantak ki taeed mein nahi tu phir jawab dene ki zaroorat hi kya baki rehti hai.

  Nasir Noman said:

Ye sab bataney ka maqsad ye hai ager apko koi bat nahi samjh arahi to is main muntaq bewaqoofana nahi,

 

Jabkey sab sey ooper apkey alfaz bhi mojood hain bewaqoofana muntaq samjhney key.

 

Ap humari frist post key 06 peges key print lain or Tahir ul Qadri sahib,Shah Turab-Ul Haq sahib ya Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman sahib key signature or stamp key sath ager ap ye hi comments jo ap ney is thread main diey hain ager ye Ulma-e-Kiram bhi dain gey to hum samjh lain gey key ap drust they or ghalti humari thi.

Yaha baat samajh anay ki nahi balkay sirf itni si hai ke aap ka sawal hi na'maqoul hai. Aur meri kis baat mein aap ki mantak ko samajh kar uss ke sahih honay ka iqraar hai? Ye kamal-e-be'ghairti se jhoot bolnay ki beemari aap ki fitrati hai ya maslaki?

Aap ki ilmi halat ka andaza issi baat se hota hai ke aap Prof. Tahir-ul-Qadri ko humaray Ulema mein se samajh rahay hain. Humaray 300 ulema ka mutaffiq faisla hai ke Tahir-ul-Qadri GUMRAH hai. Iss forum per bhi aap ko Tahir-ul-Qadri ke khilaaf kaafi mawaad mil jaye ga. So miya jee pehlay kuch tehqeeq kijiye phir iss tarah ke masail per baat kijiye ga.

Rahi baat Shah Sahib, Mufti Muneed-ur-Rehman sahib aur deegar ulema ki tu janab woh Ulema mein se hain. Ilmi sawalaat hon tu woh zaroor jawab dete hain. Iss tarah ki ghair'mantaki bakwaas ka jawab dene ka na tu unn ke paas waqt hai aur na hi zaroorat. Aap jo signature aur stamp ki baat kartay hain tu janab aik kaam kijiye, aap ki bakwaas per mabni jo ye 6 pages hain unn per kisi known alim ke signature aur stamp lagwa kar post kar dein takay maloom ho jaye ke ye jahalat per mabni sawalaat jo aap kar rahay hain wohi aap ke ulema ke bhi hain.

  Nasir Noman said:

Hum ney ye sarey link apko bhejey they mager shayad ap ney kisi link ko bhi dekhney ki zehmat gawara nahi ki ab doobara dekh lain key sari dunia Eid ki namaz Masjid main perh rahi hai ya khuley aasman key neechey, Jesey Pakistan main bhi kuchh Masjid main Eid ki namaz ada ki jati hain issi tarha dosrey Islami dunia main bhi kahin Masjid main or kahin khhuley asman key neechey.

Janab mera sawal "khullay asmaan ke neechay" namaz per nahi tha! Mera sawal ye hai ke aap sabit kijiye ke jis tarah Pak-o-Hind mein "ROAD BLOCK" kar ke Eidain ki namaz hoti hai ussi tarah tamaam dunya mein hoti hai. Jo bold mein likha hai ussay ghour se parhiye aur phir jawab dijiye.

  Nasir Noman said:

Hum Muslims country ki bat kar rahy hian ap non Muslims country ki.

Tu aap ka matlab hai ke non-muslims countries mein Azan mukhtalif andaaz mein hoti hai? Muslim country ho ya non-muslim azaan ka haisiyatt tu wohi rahay ga na!

  Nasir Noman said:

ye humara sawal tha :

 

“Namaz sari dunia main ek hi Tarha perhi jati hai”

 

Or phir apkey jawab per humara dosra jawab ye tha jo ap na perh saky:

 

ap jawab dey tey hain key azan deyney ka tareeqa dunia main mukhtalif hai(yaani Azan main bhi tabdeeli nahi sirif dey ney ka faraq hai or bhai hum ap sey Islami country ki baat ker rahy hain non muslim country ki nahi)

Aap ne khud hi apnay saray sawalaat ka jawab de diya.

Aap kehtay hain ke

"ap jawab dey tey hain key azan deyney ka tareeqa dunia main mukhtalif hai(yaani Azan main bhi tabdeeli nahi sirif dey ney ka faraq hai"

Tu Milad ka bhi ye mamla hai. Milad ke mamoolaat mein bhi koi farq nahi, sirf tareeqa ya andaaz alag hai. Naat'khuwani bhi hoti hai, Salat-o-Salam bhi parha jata hai, juloos bhi nikalta hai, jhanday bhi hotay hain, ijtimaa bhi hota hai gharz ke saray amaal wohi hain karnay ka andaaz mukhtalif hai ke kahi per Naat'khuwani khullay aam roads per hoti hain aur kahi per gharo mein, kahi per juloos ke liye pooray pooray roads band kar diye jatay hain tu kahi per road ke sirf kuch hissay per juloos nikala jata hai! Aap nay hoshiyaari hoshiyaari mein apnay aiteraaz ka khud hi jawab de dya!

Shukriya!

  Nasir Noman said:

Islam ka qanoon (Quraan o Hadees) to nahi kahta mager jab Quraan or Hadees key samjhney main hi Ikhtalaf hojaey to phir kia kia jaey ?

 

Phir yahan dunia ka ek asam sa or seedha sada Asool key maatheri zuban waley behter samjh sakta hai ye gher zuban wala behter samjh sakta hai ? is baat ko ek dafa ap bhi tasleem karchukey hain.

Phir wohi murghi ki aik taang! Aray miya joo poocha hai uss ka jawab denay mein kyu sharm se paani paani howay jaa rahay hain aap. Seedha sa sawal number 1 tha, woh khaa gaye aap kawwa biryani samajh kar! Mein ne aap se kaha bhi tha ke jitna seedha sawal hai utna hi seedha aur simple sa jawab dene ki koshish kijiye ga.

Mera pehla aur doosra sawal ghour se parhiye.

1. Kya Quran-e-Pak ko samajhnay ke sirf Arabi zaban per uboor hasil hona kaafi hai?

Iss ke seedhay se 2 jawab ho saktay hain ke "Nahi sirf Arabi zaban per uboor hasil hona Qurani Taleemat ko samajhnay ke liye kafi nahi" Ya phir "Haa sirf Arabi zaban per uboor hasil hona Qurani Taleemat ko samajhnay ke liye kafi hai". Lekin aap ko seedhay se sawal ka jawab denay mein na'janay kaun si takleef thi jo aap ki zaban iss per khamoosh rahi. Ab aiye doosray sawal ki taraf;

2. Islam ka kaun sa qanoon ye kehta hai ke jisay Arabi zaban per uboor ho ussay Quran ki taleemat bhi samajh aa jaye gi?

Iss ke jawab mein aap ne meri jo baat quote ki uss parh kar samajhnay ki aap ko shayad kabhi toufiq howi hi nahi. Meri statement ko dobara parhiye. Meri statement mein kahi bhi ye iqraar nahi ke Arabi zaban jaannay walay ko Quran ki taleemat samajh ana lazim hai! Meri statement mein iss baat ka aiteraaf hai ke Arabs ko ba'haisiyatt qoumi zaban ke Arabi per non-arabs se zyada uboor hai. Jo bold mein likha hai ussay 10 baar aankhein khool kar parhiye shayad aap ko samajh aa jaye baat. "Ba'haisiyatt qoumi zaban ke" Urdu humari bhi Qoumi zaban hai magar hum Urdu bool chaal Urdu ke asal qaido se kaafi mukhtalif andaz mein kartay hain. Aap ko aap hi ki posts se misaal deta hon. Aap ki aik post mein aap ne kuch iss tarah ki statements di;

"Bhai hum ney Khalil Rana sahib key bhi jawabat diey they jo apney 05 post delet ki hian ager apkey pas save hain to apko un main is ka jawab bhi mil jaey ga."

Urdu aap ki bhi qoumi zaban hai is ke bawajood aik seedhi si baat kartay howay aap ne Urdu ke beech 2 English lafz ghussa diye (jis mein se 1 ki spelling bhi ghalat hai). Aap ko usooli tour per tu Delete ki jageh Urdu mein "Hazaf" likhna chahiye tha aur Save ki jageh "Mehfooz" likhna chahiye tha. Aur shayad aap ko ginti bhi nahi aati tabhi Sawal number 2 ka jawab pehlay diya aur Sawal numer 1 ka baad mein! Tu kehna ka maqsad ye ke qoumi zaban ki aam bool chaal aur Quran-e-Karim jaisay Aala-o-Arfa Kalam ko samajhnay mein zameen asmaan ka farq hai.

Urdu humari qoumi zaban hai jab ke Urdu ke bayshumaar naamwar Shai'r Adeeb India ke hain jinki qoumi zaban Hindi hai! Salman Rushdie Maloon-o-Mardood ka naam suna hoga aap ne. Uss ki Madri zaban English nahi phir bhi iss khabees ko saikro Awards milay hain as an English Writer. Author of the Year (British Book Awards), Author of the Year (Germany), Kurt Tucholsky Prize (Sweden), Aristeion Prize (European Union), English-Speaking Union Award aur najanay kitnay deegar awards. Aur ye woh awards hain jin ke liye English writers including Britishers apni jaan dene ko tayyar ho jaye, aur ye sab mil kisay gaye? Aik aisay banday ko jo Indian hai, jis ki madri zaban Hindi hai magar woh hazaroo laakho Britishers se achi English bool leta hai, likh leta hai aur samajh leta hai!

Aur mein pehlay hi bata chuka ke humaray liye Hujjat Quran-o-Hadith hai. Aur iss baat ka iqraar aap khud kar chukay ke Quran-o-Hadith ye nahi kehtay ke jis ki madri zaban Arabi ho usay Quran ki taleemat bhi yaqeenan samajh aa jaye gi. So ab aap ki ye zaati be'waqoofana mantak "daleel" ki "daal" ko bhi nahi chooti!

  Nasir Noman said:

Jab ap ye mantey hian key dunia ka koi bhi gher zuban wala maatheri zuban waley sey acha tarjuma or tashreeh nahi karsakta .

Aap mujhay bata dijiye ke mein ne kab kaha kis post mein ye baat kahi ho ke "dunia ka koi bhi gher zuban wala maatheri zuban waley sey acha tarjuma or tashreeh nahi karsakta" Itni bay'baaki aur be'sharmi se jhoot bolnay walay mein ne kam hi dekhay hain! Aap ya tu mujhay bataiye ke mein ne kis post mein ye baat kahi, ba'soorat-e-deeegar iss ghalti ka i'aada aap ke zimay hai.

  Nasir Noman said:

Ji haan bohat sari batain essi hain jin key Quraan pak main jawabat nahi miltey mager jo bunyadi ekamaat hain jesey Toheed us key wazeh ehkamat Quraan pak main mojood hain ( jesey Allah key siwa kisi sey madad nahi mangi jasakti or sirif Allah hi madadgar hai)

 

Kia aap in bunyadi aqeedey ko samjhney key liyain Ulama ki Tafseer ki zaroorat perti hay jabkey Quraan Pak main bohat sari jaghoon per wazeh ehkamat mojood hain,

Aur agar mein aap ko Quran se hi hawalajaat paish kardo ke jaha se wazeh andaaz mein pata chalta hai ke Allah ke naik banday Allah ki aata say bando ki madad kartay hain tu? Aap ko dawat bhi di hai ke janab alehda topic bana kar iss maslay per bhi apnay dil ki hasrat poori kar lijiye. Najanay aap ki ghairat iss dawat ke jawab mein kyu soee pari hai!

Jee haa, Alhumdulillah hum wazeh ehkamat ko bhi poori tarah samajhnay ke liye Ulema ki tafaseer parhtay hain aur yehi Quran ka hukm hai.

"So pooch lo ihl-e-zikr se agar tum nahi jaantay"

(Surah Al-Nahl, Ayat 43)

Iss ki agli hi ayat mein hai ke;

"Bhaija tha un ko) khulli nishaniya aur kitaabein day kar aur utara hum ne tum per bhi ye zikr takay khool khool kar bayan karo tum insaano ke samnay woh taleem jo nazil ki gai hai un ke wastay takay woh ghour-o-fikr karein"

(Surah Al-Nahl, Ayat 44)

Ab ghour se parhiye ke pehlay Allah farmata hai ke "Bhaija un ko Khulli Nishaniya aur kitabein de kar" tu khulli nishaniya tu ba'qoul aap ke sabhi ko samajh aajani chahiye, lekin Allah agay farmata hai ke "takay khool khool kar bayan karo tum insaano ke samnay". Tu ab Allah se MaazAllah kya ye sawal karien gay ke "Khulli nishaaniyo ko bhi aur khool khool kar bayan karne ka hukum kyu dya?" Ab ye na kahiye ga ke iss tarjumay ko aap nahi mantay! Ye tarjuma humara nahi ussi website se as it as likha hai jaha se pehlay aap ne pehlay images post kiye thay!

Alhumdulillah hum Ahle'Sunnat wa Jamat se hain, muqallid hain aur dua kartay hain ke Allah apnay Habib ke sadqay humein aur humari nasal ko muqallid hi rakhay. Humaray yaha her tatt'poonjiya Mujtahidd nahi bana phirta iss liye hum Ulema ke ilm se mustafeez hotay hain.

  Nasir Noman said:

Humarey urdu adeeb or urdu zuban key mahir hazrat jo Urdu per mukamal uboor rakhtey hain kia un ki jaga koi English bolney wala(Urdu seekh ker) ley sakta hai?

 

Or English bolney wala ek din sarey Urdu key Adeeb or Mahireen ko chalange kerey key Urdu adab ki ye book ka tajuma ghalat hai tashreeh ghalat hai Tafseer ghalat hai ?

 

To kia ye mumkin hai?

 

Ager na mumkin hai to udru bolney waley kesey Arabi walon sey achhey tarjuma or tashreeh or tafseer ka dawa ker saktey hain?

Iss ki zinda misaal mein ne aap ko Salman Rushdie Maloon-o-Mardood ki shikal mein de di. India ki paidaish hai, madri zaban hindi hai lekin hazaro laakho aam English bolnay say hi nahi, English literature ke najanay kitnay writers se achi English likh leta hai, bool leta hai aur samajh leta hai. Agar aisa na hota tu ye awards ussay kabhi na miltay balkay kisi Britisher ko hi miltay.

Ye tu thi sirf zaban ke baat. Ab aiye Quran-o-Hadith ki taraf. Arabs mein bohut se gumrah loog bhi hain. Arabs mein kitnay hi aisay hain jo Haram'kaari kartay hain. Jab ke dunya mein aisay bohut se non-arab muslims hain jo ye Haram'Kariya nahi kartay. Unn non-arabs ko ye samajh Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat samajh aa gai, Arabs ko nahi aiee. Iss per kya kahein gay?

So dunya mein aisay bohut se loog hain jin ki madri zaban koi aur hai aur unhay mukammal uboor kisi doosri zaban per hota hai. Humaray Shiekh Nabira-e-Ala Hazrat Hazrat Allama Moulana Mufti Akhter Raza Khan Azhari ki Arabi sun lijiye. Jamia Al-Azhar se "Jamia Al-Azhar Award" liya, did B.A in Arabic, first position, sirf Jamia Al-Azhar nahi pooray Cairo mein! Jamia Al-Azhar mein aaj bhi unn ki naam bhulaya nahi gaya! Khud Makka-o-Madina ke Arab Shuyookh iqraar kartay hain ke in ki Arabi hum madar'pider Arabo se achi hai! So Arabi per uboor sirf Arabs ki meeras nahi.

Dunya mein kisi bhi zaban ke kisi bhi baray se baray ustaad ke samnay apni ye mantak rakhiye, agar Ihl-e-Zouq hoga tu shayad aap ko jootay maray ga!

  Nasir Noman said:

Koi bhi qoom 100 % drust nahi hosakti ye baat 10 saal ka bacha bhi janta hai achhay burey her qoom main hotey hain.

 

Daleel ye nahi hai key Arbi zuban waley sarey jannati hain balkey daleel ye hai key ek maatheri zuban waley key Ulama or Mahireen ziada bather samjh saktey hain banisbat gher zuban waley key.

Tu iss ka matlab ye kaha jaa sakta hai ke zaroori nahi ke Arabs mein bhi saray ke saray Ulema yaqeeni tour per Quran-o-Hadith ko samajh jatay hain. Aur mera bhi ye ilzaam nahi ke Arab Ulema saray ke saray hi gumrah hain. Aap baat ko agay barha kar hawala'jaat per aiye tu sahi janab. Aap ko hum apna aqeeda Arab Ulema ki kitabo se bhi zahir kar dein gay

Baqi aap jisay Daleel keh rahay hain ke Madri zaban walay Ulema Quran-o-Hadith ko zyada behtar samajh saktay ba'nisbat ghair'zaban walay Ulema ke tu ye daleel nahi jahalat hai. Daleel usay kehtay jis ke saboot mein kuch ho. Aap ke paas sirf apni mantak hai jab ke mein aap ko jeeti jaagti misalein dikha di hain. WALLAH! mujhay aap per hansi aati hai! Aap "madri" zaban per behes kar rahay hain aur madri ki spelling "maatheri" likh rahay hain. Aur ye ghalti bhi pehli baar nahi. Ab khud hi bataiye issay mein jahalaat nahi tu aur kya kaho! Typing mistake ka bahana matt kijiye ga warna yaqeen janiye iss per aap ki aisi durgat banay gi bus!

  Nasir Noman said:

Ikhtalafat kis main nahi hotey ?apney sawal main hum ney khud likha hai ikhtalafat to Deobandi, Ehley Hadees Arab Ualama main bhi hain(jo Bareeki main jaaker peda hotey hian) mager bunyadi Aqeeda (jo key ek Moti baat hai)Toheed “Allah Taala madad karnay wala hai”main koi Ikhtalaf nahi.

Khud apnay dil per haath rakh kar bataiye kiya ye mere sawal ka jawab hai? Khair ye aap ke bus ka kaam nahi janay dijiye!

Aap dawa kar rahay hain ke bunyaadi masail mein Arabs mein ikhtilaaf nahi, misal ke tour per aapne Ghair'Allah se isti'aanat ka zikr kya. Mera pehlay bhi sawal yehi tha, ab bhi yehi hai ke aap ne kitnay Arab Ulema ki tafasir/shurohaat waghaira parhi hain ke jis se aap ko maloom ho gaya ke Arabs mein bunyadi masail mein ikhtilaaf nahi? Mujhay kuch tu naam bataiye naa ke aap ne aakhir Arabs ki kitni kitabein parh li hain? 100, 50, 10, 1, ya 1 bhi nahi?

Khair yaha tu Ulema ki baat bhi chooriye. Aap ka tu kehna hai ke Quran mein Allah ke Wazeh ihkamat ko samajhnay ke liye Ulema ke paas janay ki bhi zaroorat nahi. Tu matlab yaqeenan Quran mein Allah ke wazeh ihkamaat ko aap achi tarah samajh jatay hon gay. Tu zara ye bataiye ke mandarja'zail ayat se aap ki kya samajh aata hai.

"Aye woh logo jo imaan laye ho, agar madad karo gay tum Allah ki tu woh bhi tumhari madad karay ga, aur jama de ga mazbooti se tumharay qadam."

(Surah Muhammad, Ayat 7)

Tarjuma ussi website se lya hai jaha se aap ne pehlay images post kiye thay. Khair iss ki tafseel mein abhi nahi jatay aap bus mukhtasiran bata dijiye ke iss WAZEH ayat se aap ki kya samajh aata hai. Baqi tafseel jab aap mein alehda topic create kar ke baat karnay ki himmat hogi tab karein gay.

  Nasir Noman said:

Muslaman honey key baad sab sey pehley Aqeeda banta hai Toheed jab bunyadi aqeedey main kharabi ho to uskey baad jo amal bhi ho wo aap apney bunyadi Aqeedey hi key mutabiq karty hain is liyain hum bar bar ek baat kahtey rahy hain key “jis tareeqey sey Pakistan or India main Milad manaya jaata hai”

 

Kio key Barailvi Aqeeda kahta hai key Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam Hazir Nazir hain,

 

Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam or Buzrugan-e-Deen madad kersaktey hain,

 

Jab ap is tarha key aqeedon key sath Milad manatey hain to ek mukhtalif soorat hoti hai,

 

Naat Khuani main Ikhtalafi ashaar hotey hain jo Barailvi Aqeedey ki bunyad key mutabiq hotey hain,

 

Jalsey main Taqareer wo hi hoti hain jo Barailvi Aqeeda pesh karta hai,

 

Jaloos main wo hi naarey lagey jatey hain jo Barailvi Aqeedey rakhtey hain.

Is liyain hum bar bar ye baat kahtey rahy key jesey Pakistan maim hota hai,

Tu phir tu ye aap ki bay'ghairti aur hatt'dharmi hai ke aap ko humaray bunyaadi aqaid per aiteraaz hai iss ke ba'wajood aap ne inn bunyaadi masail per baat karne ke bajaye Milad ke maslay per baat shuru kar di. Aap ko tu chahiye tha ke pehlay inn tamaam aqaid per baari baari baat kartay phir Milad ki taraf aatay.

Khud hi topic choose kar ke baat kartay hain aur phir kehtay hain ke bunyaadi aqaid pehlay atay hain. Apnay hi chakkar mein ghan'chakkar mein banay jaa rahay hain. Aap ko tu humari taraf se khulli dawat hai janab jab jee chahay inn mein se jis topic per jee chahay baat kar lijiye, apnay saray armaan nikal lijiye, hum tu bethay hi khidmat ke liye hain. Ab usooli tour per tu aap ko chahiye ke aap forun se Milad ke ghair'bunyaadi maslay ko aik taraf rakh kar inn bunyaadi masail per baat karna shuru karien gay. Karein gay naa???

  Nasir Noman said:

Naat khuani (wo ashaar jo Nabi-e-Kareem Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ki Mohabat or Aqeedat main kahin jaey mager jo ikhtalafi na hoon)

 

ya Nabi-e-Pak Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ki Seerat-e-Mubarika bayan farmana takey Musalmano key dilon main Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam ki mohabbat peda ho or Muslaman Hazoor Sallaho ALihey Wassalam ki sunnaton per amal kary in tareeqon per koi aitraz nahi hai.

 

Apko iss silsiley main Hazooron bayanat or Mukhtalif Wahabi Aqeedey waley Ulama key taqareer bhi dekha saktey hain or ye bhi deekha saktey hain key kia Wahabi Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam sey Mohabbat kartey hain ya Toheen kertey hain.

Naat se tu wahabiyo/najdiyo ko chirr hai aur iss ka iqraar ye khud bhi kartay hain tabhi Saudi Government ki taraf aaj tak Aalmi kya mulki sitah per bhi koi Naat'Khuwani nahi howi. Rahi baat ikhtilaafi ashaar ki tu janab aiye naa. Unn ashaar ko ghair'shar'aee sabit bhi tu kijiye na. Ye zanaan'khano mein ghuss ke "biddat hai, biddat hai, shirk hai, shirk hai" ke naray laganay se tu ikhtilafaat khatam nahi hongay. Yaqeenan aap ke paas bhi koi chooti mooti list zaroor mojoud hogi aisay ikhtilaafi ashaar ki. Tu aiye na janab, kijiye baat unn per dalail-o-saboot se.

Rahi wahabiyo ki toheen, tu iss forum per bohut saboot moujod hain, aankhein khool kar parh lijiye. Ye Saudi kuttay hi hain jo Gunbad-e-Khizra ko giranay ki na'paak khuwahishay apnay dil mein rakhtay hain, aur ye khuwahishay phir apni kitabo mein chaaptay bhi hain aur ye kitabein phir Saudia samait sari dunya mein publish bhi ki jati hain aur Saudi Government inn per koi ban nahi lagati!

  Nasir Noman said:

Ye humara jawab jo ap ney eprhey bagher delet kerdia:

 

matlab pehley janwer ki tangain kaatey hain?

ya pehley janwer ki khhal utarna shoro kertey hain?

Ya raat ko qubani kertey hain or pak-o-hind waley subah kertey hian?

Kia apko humari pesh ki hoi poori dunia key Islami country main Namaz-e-Eid ada kertey hoey dekh ker bhi nahi samjh aaya key humara sawal kia hai?

Qubani infiradi amal hai jo sari dunia ka nahi dekhaya jasakta.

Namaz or Hajj Ijtemai amal hai jo ko poori dunia dekh sakti hai.

Or Barailvi jesey Eid Milad or Jaloos nikaltey hain ye bhi Pakistan or India main Ijtemai amal ki tarha hota hai.

Sarey barailvi kia akeley akeyley apney ghharon main Milad kartey hain?

Or akley akeley Jaloos nikaltey hain?

Ya Pakistan or India key aalawa sari Islami dunia main Akeley akley Milad or Jaloos nikaltey hain?

Wah jee wah! Kya kehnay.. apnay sarr per aye tu infiraadi aur ijtimaee ka farq nazar aa gaya. Mein zyada kuch nahi bolo ga, bus aik seedha aur simple sa sawal aap ki inn tamaam baato ka jawab hai.

Pak-o-Hind mein Eidain ki namazein jis andaaz mein hoti hain ussi andaz mein sari dunya mein hoti hain kya? Maslan;

1. Masjid se bahir road block kar ke namaz-e-Eid parhna.

2. Masjid ke Imam ka loudspeaker per Khutba-e-Taqreer karna

3. Naiz Eid ke ilawa panj'waqta namaz ke time Masjid se loudspeaker per Azan dena.

Inn ka jawab de dijiye aap ki baat ka jawab aap ko khud hi mil jaye ga.

Aap ko baar baar samjhaye janay ke ba'wajood aap dheet banay her post mein Milad se hatt kar doosray masail per zaroor kuch na kuch likhtay hain. Miya jee aap ko dawat di tu hai deegar tamam masail per alehda alehda topic create kar ke baat karne ki. Tu phir ye saray masail isi topic mein kyu ghussairnay per tulay hain? Agar Milad ki mouzo per baat karne ke liye ab aap ke paas kuch nahi bacha tu khamoosh ho jaiye, koi maray ga thori na aap ko! Waisay ab tu aap ko haqq bhi nahi ke aap iss topic per mazeed koi baat karein. Kyu ke aap khud iqraar kar chukay ke Milad bunyadi aqeeda nahi balkay bunyaadi aqeeday ki bina per kiya jana wala amal hai. Tu aamal per guftufo tu baad mein hoti hai pehlay tu bunyadi aqaid zaroori hain. Tu usooli tour per tu ab aap ko unn bunyaadi ikhtilafaat per baat karni chahiye jin ka aap ne zikr kya.

Mujhay hai aap usoolo ki pabandi kartay howay jald hi bunyaadi ikhtilafaat per baat shuru karein gay. Humari taraf se aap ko khulli choot hai, aap apnay paish'karda bunyaadi ikhtilafaat mein se jis per jee chahay baat shuru kar lijiye, hum hazir hain.

  Nasir Noman said:

Bhai hum ney Khalil Rana sahib key bhi jawabat diey they jo apney 05 post delet ki hian ager apkey pas save hain to apko un main is ka jawab bhi mil jaey ga.

 

Ap chahtey hian key hum dobara jawab dain to hum dey dain gey mager pehley jab tak apko dalail wali bat nai clear hogi jab taka p nahi samjh sakey gey.

Is liyain pehley ye dalail wali bat cear kardain.

Chaliye ye baat aap ki theek. Pehlay dalail ka taiyunn kar lijiye phir jawabat dijiye ga.

  Nasir Noman said:

Ap to humari post ka maqsad hi badal dey tey hain

Uski missal kuchh esey hain key kisi ney sirif itna suna key:

Allah Taala Quraan Pak main fermata hai key “Namaz key qareeb mat jao”

To sunney wala foran fatwa laga deyta hai

Phir agey ka jumla suntan hai key “mager jab Nashey ki halat main ho”

To apna fatwa wapis ley leyta hai.

 

Ek hi post main ek jumley ko tor dain gey to uska to matlab hi badal jaey ga poori baat perhain gey tab hi koi matlab nikalain gey ya adhi bat per hi fatwa lagadain gey ye perhiey apkey hi alffaz:

 

“Chaliye shukar Quran-e-Karim ko tu aap ne maan liya,”

Aankhein khool kar parhiye meri post ko. Mein ne pehlay aap se sawal kiya, na ke koi ilzaam lagaya. Aap ne pehli line quote kartay howay bhi khayanat ki aur doosri line quote kartay howay bhi! Pehli line mukammal tour per iss tarah thi;

"Kya aap ke nazdeek Quran mehfooz nahi? Kya aap ke nazdeek hadith mehfooz nahi? Simple haa ya naa mein jawab dijiye ga."

Iss line mien na tu koi ilzaam hai na fatwa na kuch aur. Seedha sa sawal hai jisay aap apnay zehni fitoor ki bina per samajhnay se qasir rahay. Aur agay jo aap ne meri post se line quote ki woh aap ki iss baat ke isbaat mein thi;

"Sirif ek Quraan Pak hai jo sari dunia janti hai 1400 saal sey ek lafaz bhi na tabdeel hua or na kabhi hoga kio key Allah Taala apni aakhiri kitab Quraan Pak ki hifazat farma raha hai."

Aur iss ke jawab mein meri kahi howi baat ko quote kartay howay aap ne doosri baar khayanat ki aur aadhori baat quote ki. Poora line parhnay ki zehmat kar letay tu baat samajh aa jati;

"Chaliye shukar Quran-e-Karim ko tu aap ne maan liya, ab aiye Quran ke tarjumay ki taraf."

Soo iss sab ka masqad ye tha ke Quran ko aap mehfooz samajhtay hain ye humien maloom ho gaya, ab baat kjiye tarajim ki. Iss pooray mouzo mein kahi koi ilzaam tha hi nahi siray se jis per aap bekaar ka wawaila kar ke asal topic se door janay ki koshish kar rahay hain. Aap ne sirf aur sirf baat ko ghool gool ghumanay ke liye "Fatwa laga lar wapis lena, adhoori baat se matlab nikalna" jaisi bekaar baatein kar ke phir sabit kar dya ke aap siwaye bekaar ki baatein kar ke topic ko toul denay ke ilawa kuch nahi kar saktay!

  Nasir Noman said:

Ager hum ney koi apko kitab ka hawala dia ho tab ap ye bat kehtey key hum apney matlab ki baat ko sabit karney key liayin logon ki likhi hoi book ka hawala dey rahy hain or jab ap hawala dey tey hian to hum nahi mantey?

Aap ne ab tak kisi kitab ka hawala diya hi kaha hain janab? Aap tu abhi tak bus apnay zehn se misaalay hi paish kartay aye hain. Koi thoos saboot, koi mustanadd hawala tu abhi tak paish kiya nahi aap ne. Hawala'jaat ko parakhnay ka asaan tareeqa hai ke Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat se parh lijiye. Ab aap agar kisi deobandi/wahabi ka janib'darana aur ghalat hawala paish karein gay tu zahir hai humein qubool nahi hoga. Ikhtilaafi masail mein hawala'jaat apnay ghar ke alimo ke nahi diye jatay balkay unn ulema ke diye jatay hain jinhay mukhalif bhi mustanadd samajhta ho. Maslan agar kisi deobandi se baat kartay howay agar mein Shah Abdul Haq Muhaddish Dehalvi ka hawala paish karta hon tu woh uss ka radd nahi kar saktay ke khud deobandi ulema ki sanad unn se milti hai. Ab isi tarah agar deobandi humein Ala Hazrat ki tasaneef se hawala deta hai tu humaray liye mustanadd hoga. Lekin agar koi deobandi humein Qasim Nanotwi ka hawala de kar apni baat manwana chahay ga tu hum woh hawala radd kar dein gay kyu ke humaray nazdeek Qasim Nanotwi mustanadd nahi. So aap koshish kar ke aisay ulema ke hawalajaat paish karein jo humaray nazdeek mustanadd hon. Aur apna bhi bata dijiye ke aap ke nazdeek kaun mustanadd hai aur kaun nahi.

  Nasir Noman said:

Allah ka ek bar phir shukar hai key ab aap ahista aahista humari muntaq ko samjhtey jarahy hain,

Jaha tak Quraan Pak main tabdeeli ka sawal hai wo apko jawab mil gaya hai ooper.

Mager jo tarjumey wali baat hai to ye hi to masla hai key Quraan pak key tarjumey main hi faraq hai jab hi aaj humarey darmian itney barey ikhtalafat hain us key liayin hi hum ney ye bunyadi sawal pesh kia hai.

Aaj jo bhi Barey Ikhtalafat hain wo sirif Quraan Pak ko samjh ka faraq hai,

Jo jesa Quraan Pak ko samjha or Tarjuma karta gaya or apney aqeedey banata gaya.

Ab humara asal sawal hi ye hai key Quraan Pak ki Kis ki samjh drust hai ?

Jab ek ek lafaz wohi sab key pas phir itna bara ikhtalaf kio ?

Quran-e-Karim sirf Arbi literature tu hai nahi ke jis kisi ko bhi Arbi zaban per uboor hasil ho woh samajh jaye. Quran ko samajhnay ke liye sirf Arbi zaban ka aajana kaafi nahi hai! Quran ki taleemat ko samajhnay ke liye Imaan ki zaroorat hoti hai. Aur Imaan sirf Arabs ki miraas nahi. Arabi zaban ka kya hai woh tu Iblees ko bhi aati hai! So agar Quran ke tarjumay ko parkhna ho tu simply Akabir Ulema ki tafasir aur tarjumay jo ke sari dunya ke nazdeek mustanadd hain un se parh lein.

  Nasir Noman said:

Apko chhoti chhoti bat bhi samjhani perti hai or wo bhi lafz ba lafz

 

Arey bhai likha to hai Jo Quraan Pak sey sabit ho wo drust hai.

 

Ye perhain pichhli post:

 

“kio key jab ap dkhtey hian key Quraan Pak main Allah Taala key wazeh ehkamat in aqeedon key khilaf hain or hum bajaey kisi bhi muqadas Hasti chahaey wo Paghember hi kio na ho,hum Paghember key bhi hawala jaat or wo bhi Aasmani book(Anjeel) hi kio na ho phir bhi hum belive nahi karty.”

Quran se kya sabit hai kya nahi ye kaisay maloom karein gay? Aap ko tu Arabi aati nahi aur agar aati bhi tu bhi ye zaroori nahi ke Quan ki taleemat bhi samajh aa gai hon. Tu zahir hai Quran ko samajhnay ke liye bhi ulema se rijoo tu karna hi paray ga. Aur ye jo aap ne likha ke "Quran mein Allah ke wazeh ihkamat inn aqeedo ke khilaaf hain" tu yaha aap ki "INN AQEEDO" se kya muraad hai? Kaun se aqaid ki baat kar rahay hain khull kar bayan kijiye.

  Nasir Noman said:

Aur pehlay tu ye bataiye ke mein ne kab aap se sirf aur sirf Buzurgan-e-Deen ki kutb se hawalajaat maangay?

 

Kabhi ap ye poochhtey hain:

Or khud hi jawab ap key hi lafaz sirif ek line chhoer ker ye kehtey hain:

 

“ Mein tu aap se kab se keh raha hon ke jo bhi baat kartay hain uss per Quran-o-Hadith aur Awliya-e-Kiram ki tafasir-o-tasaneef se hawalajaat paish karein. “

Allah hi janay ke aap sach mein iss qadar aqal se paidal hain ya jaan boojh kar baat ko samajhna nahi chahtay. Apni pichli post parhiye, aap sirf issi baat per roye jaa rahay thay ke dalail-o-saboot buzurgan-e-deen ki kutb se nahi don ga ke uss mein tabdeeli ho sakti hai balkay Quran-o-Hadith se don ga jo ke mehfooz hai. Tu issi liye mein ne aap ko dobara samjhana chaha ke miya jee, aap se koi zoor zabardasti nahi ke aap ulema ki kutb se hi hawala dein aur kahi se naa dein. Humaray tu seedha sa mutaliba hai ke Quran-o-Hadith AUR Aqwal-e-Aimma se hawalajaat paish karein. Agar Aqwal-e-Aimma se hawalajaat paish karne se aap mutma'inn nahi tu Quran-o-Hadith tu hai na.. ussi se baat kar lijiye. ye beech mein AUR ka lafz aap ko samajh nahi aya tha shayad iss liye wazahat ki thi.

  Nasir Noman said:

Sybarit bhai ap post ko poora parha karian takey apko pichhli post yad rahy,

 

Humara asal sawal hi ye hai key Arab key Ulama (jin ki mother language arbi hai wo hi sab sey behter samajh saktey hain or ager Arab Ulama main ye Aqeedey key barey Ikhtalafat nahi hain to is ka matlab hai key Quraan Pak key tarjuma or tafseer key samjhney ki ghalti ek gher zuban (Urdu ya Hindi) waley ki hi hosakti hai jo Arab Ulma sey Aqeedey key Barey Ikhtalaf rakhtey hain?

Pehli baat tu ye ke jab tak aap apnay aqaid ko Ahle'Sunnat wa Jamat ke mutabiq sabit nahi kar dete mujhe "bhai" kehnay se guraiz karien. Isay koi zaati dushmani na samajhiye ga, imaan ka taqaza yehi hai ke bad'mazhabo se taluqaat na barhaye jaye.

Meri samajh nahi aata ke mein issay aap ki be'waqoofi kaho, jahalat kaho ya phir gumrahi. Mujhe sirf ye bataiye ke Islam ka kaun sa qanoon ye kehta hai ke jisay Arabi zaban per uboor ho ussay Quran ki taleemat bhi samajh aa jaye gi. Aap se pehlay bhi kaafi baar ye seedha sa sawal poocha lekin aap jawab dene se katraatay hain. Seedha sa sawal hai dobara likhay deta hon. Iss baat ki kya zamanat hai ke jis shakhs ko Arabi zaban per mukammal uboor hasil ho ussay Quran ki taleemat bhi poori tarah se samajh aajati hain. Abu Jahl Arabi hi tha na? Ussay kyu na samajh aie Quran ki taleemat? Agar sirf Arabi zaban samajh lenay se Quran ki taleemat samajh aajati tu her Arabi Aalim hota. Tu phir kaisay keh saktay hain ke Quran-e-Karim ko samajhnay mein ghair'Arab Ulema se hi ghalti howi hai?

Aap ne kitnay Arab Ulema ki kutb/tafasir/shurohaat parhi hain jo aap ko ye maloom ho gaya ke Arab Ulema mein aqaid ke silsilay mein koi bara ikhtilaaf nahi? Baraye'meherbaani unn Ulema aur unn ki kutb ke naam bata dijiye.

Mein aakhir mein aap ki asani ke liye dobara iss zaman mein matloob jawabat ke sawalat likh raha hon. Inn ka jawab zaroor dijiye ga.

1. Kya Quran-e-Pak ko samajhnay ke sirf Arabi zaban per uboor hasil hona kaafi hai?

2. Islam ka kaun sa qanoon ye kehta hai ke jisay Arabi zaban per uboor ho ussay Quran ki taleemat bhi samajh aa jaye gi?

3. Abu'Jahl Arabi tha tu phir usay Quran ki taleemat kyu samajh na aiee?

4. Aap ne kitnay Arab Ulema ki kutb/tafasir/shurohaat parhi hain jis se aap ko maloom ho gaya ke Arab ulema mein ikhtilafaat nahi? Unn Ulema aur Kutb ke naam likh dijiye.

Number wise issi tarteeb se in seedhay se sawalo ka seedha sa jawab dijiye ga. Lambay chooray tabsaray ki zaroorat nahi. Koshish kar ke jitna seedha sawal hai utna hi seedha jawab dijiye ga.

  Nasir Noman said:

Baat gher mantaqi nahi hoti shayad ap samjh nahi patey.

 

Bhai kam az kam kahney waley ka maqsad to samjha kary.

 

Jab Allah ki bheji hoi asmani book main insane tabdeeli karsakta hai apna maqsad hasil karney key liayin to kia Musalmano ka koi dushman buzrugan-e-Deen ki books main likhey hoey ko nahi tabdeel karsakta Musalmano ko apas main laraney key liyain?

Bilkul Islam ke dushman musalmano ko gumrah karne ke liye Ulema ki kitabo mein tehreef kar saktay hain balkay kar chukay hain. Lekin tehreef ko pakra bhi jata hai. Zahir hai ke Ulema ki asal kitabain mojoud hain tabhi koi unn mein tehreef karay ga. Tu agar tehreef ki jati hai tu ihl-e-ilm jinho ne asli kitabein parhi hai, unn mein se koi na koi uss tehreef ko zaroor pakar hi leta hai. Sirf aik andaishay ki bina per ke "tehreef ki jaa sakti hai" aap kisi bhi kitab ko na'qabil-e-qubool qaraar nahi de saktay. Agar aap ko shakk hai tu tehqeeq kijiye aur agar tehreef hai tu saboot paish kar ke apna mouqif sabit kijiye.

  Nasir Noman said:

Akhiri line main ap ney khud hi is bat ka jawab dey dia jo hum kahna chahtey hain key ager koi baat Quraan or Sunnat sey takrati ho wo chahey kisi sey bhi mansoob ho hum usko tasleem nahi karty.

Ye usool Ahle'Sunna wa Jamat ke tamaam ulema ka hai. Farq sirf itna hai ke kuch bad'mazhab logo ko gumrah karnay ke liye Sahi aur Jayaz Aqaid ko bhi Quran-o-Sunnat ke khilaaf qaraar detay hain aur Ihl-e-Haqq unn ki sazish ko be'naqaab karnay ke liye Quran-o-Hadith se dalail-o-saboot paish kar ke iss tarah jhoota ilzamat ka radd kartay hain.

  Nasir Noman said:

Ab ap khud hi batain ager apko mamooli mamooli bat nahi samjh aati to hum kia kary ?

Kis ney kaha key Musalman deegar Umbia-e-Kiram key bataey hoey rastey key Khilaf jarahy hain?

 

Ye dobara parhain:

 

“kio key jab ap dkhtey hian key Quraan Pak main Allah Taala key wazeh ehkamat in aqeedon key khilaf hain or hum bajaey kisi bhi muqadas Hasti chahaey wo Paghember hi kio na ho,hum Paghember key bhi hawala jaat or wo bhi Aasmani book(Anjeel) hi kio na ho phir bhi hum belive nahi karty.

 

To kia Musalman per ye Ilzam lagey ga key aap kisi Paghember key Ehkamat key munkar hain ?

Alhumdulillah mujhay aap ki baat samajhnay mein kahi bhi ghalti nahi howi aur agar howi bhi tu yaha mojoud mere hum'maslak bhai mujhay zaroor samjha dein gay. Baat tu aap ko samajh nahi aati ya phir shayad aap jaan boojh kar samajhna nahi chahtay.

Mein nay jo likha usay dobara parhiye ghour se;

"Ab Allah nay pichli tamaam asmaani kitabo ko khud mansukh kar ke Quran-e-Karim nazil farma di tu phir ye ilzaam tu be'tukka sa hi hoga ke aaj ke musalmaan pichlay Anbiya ki taleemat ke khilaaf jaa rahay hain."

Mein ne ye nahi kaha ke "aap ilzam laga rahay hain" ya "aap ka ilzam be'tukka hai". Mein ne sirf itna likha hai ke agar koi iss tarah ka ilzam lagata hai tu aisa ilzaam be'tukka hoga. Aap ne mujh se sawal kiya ke "To kia Musalman per ye Ilzam lagey ga key aap kisi Paghember key Ehkamat key munkar hain ?"Aur issi ke jawab mein ne likha ke aisa ilzaam lagana be'tukki si baat hogi! Ab aap ye bataiye ke jab mein aap se kaha hi nahi ke aap ya koi bhi aisa ilzaam laga raha hai tu phir aap kyu roye jaa rahay hain ke kis ne aisa kaha aur waisa kaha!

  Nasir Noman said:

chalain hum ye bhi koshish kartey hain.

Hum ney Aqeedey key Ikhtalafat main do barey Ikhtalafat main ek Milad (jesey Pakistan main manaya jata hai)

Or dosra Aqeeda “Allah key siwa kisi sey madad mangna jaiz hai”

ye barailvi Aqeedey hain jo barey Ikhtalafat hain.

Milad ka to hum ney apko sabit kardia key ye treeqey jo Pakistan main hotey hian wo poori dunia main or kahin nahi hotey

Yaha ek baat doobara wazeh kardain key Milad ka public holyday poori Islami dunia mian manaya jata hai.

Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key seerat-e-Mubarikha bhi bayan ki jati hai.ye batain zehan main rakhiey ga.

(ager ap inkar kary gey to humarey pas uskey sabot save hain hum doobara post kersaktey hian)

Pehli baat tu ye zehn nasheen kar lijiye ke aap ne ab tak Milad ke tareeqay per aiteraaz kya hai ne ke Milad ke jawaz per. So ye aiteraaz Aqaid per nahi balkay Aamal per howa.

Milad per humara mouqif ye hai ke Milad her mulk her sheher mein apnay rehn'sehn aur rasm-o-riwaj ke hisaab se manai jati hai. Jis tarah deegar Islami mamoolat tamam mumamlik mein apnay apnay andaz mein kiye jatay hain. Iss ki kuch misalaien aap ko baar baar de chuka jis per aap ne zaban kholnay ki himmat kabhi nai ki. Jaisa ke Eid-ul-Adha ke mamolaat. Eid-ul-Adha jis andaz mein Pak-o-Hind mein manai jati hai iss tarah tamaam dunya mein nahi manai jaati. Tu phir jo mouqiff aap Milad ke baray mein ikhtiyaar kar rahay hain wohi mouqiff Eid-ul-Adha ke baray mein bhi ikhtiyaar kijiye aur kahiye ke Pak-o-Hind ke Musalman deegar mumalik se alag andaz mein Eid-ul-Fitr manatay hain. Ye aap ka khullda dooghla'pana hai!

  Nasir Noman said:

Ab reh gaya Dosra bara Ikhtalaf

“Allah key siwa kisi dosrey sey madad mangna jaiz hai”

Ap apney dalil pesh kary

Hum apko sabot key sath jawabat deyney ki koshish kary gey Insha Allah

Iss ke liye aap alehda topic create kar saktay hain. Usooli tareeqa ye hai ke pehlay aap apna mouqif Quran-o-Hadith se paish kijiye ke kis tarah kin dalail-o-saboot se "Allah ke siwa kisi doosray se madad mangna jayaz nahi". Yaha ye baat zehn mein rakhiye ga ke humaray aqeeda ye hai ke "Allah ke siwa Allah ke mehboob bando se iss niyyat se madad maangi jaa sakti ke woh Allah ki aataa-o-raza se bando madad kartay hain na ke apni zaati quwwat se" aur issi ke jawaz per hum dalail dein gay. Agar koi ye kahay ke fala fala Allah ke marzi ke baghair apni zaat se madad kar sakta hai tu hum iss ka radd kartay hain ke ye aqeeda batil hai.

  Nasir Noman said:

Allah Taala ney jo asal Anjeel utari kia dunai key kisi Essai key pas asal Anjeel mojood hai ?

Injeel se humein koi lena dena hi nahi kyu ke Allah ne Quran-e-Karim nazil farma kar pichli tamaam asmaani kitabo ko mansukh farma diya. Humaray reh'numai ke liye Quran hai na ke Injeel. Jo cheez mansukh ho chuki uss se istadlaal karna ghalat hai so uss mein tehreef ho ya na ho uss se humaray aqaid per koi farq nahi parta. Aap khud dekh lijiye aap ne kis baat ko quote kar ke kya jawab diya.

Mein ne baat ki makatib-e-fikr aur unn ke ulema ki kitabo ki aur aap jawab de rahay hain Injeel per. Meri post ka jo hissa aap ne quote kya pehlay dekh lijiye ke woh aap ki kis baat ka jawab tha. Jaha tak baat hai Ulema ki kitabo ki, tu unn ki original kitabein mojoud hain.

  Nasir Noman said:

Is ka asan hal ye hai key koi bhi barilvi kisi Darul Uloom jaey or ye na zahir kary key main barailvi hoon or un kitab ka hawala dey or jab wo kitab mil jaey to Deonad Ulama sey poochain key apka ye hi matlab hai jo barailvi Ulama kahtey hain ?

 

Ya kia matlab hai in baton ka ?

 

Apko jawab mil jaey ga behas ki zaroorat hi nahi.

Ajeeb hi mantak hai aap ki. Agar mein aap ko Wald-e-Haram keh do aur aap mujh se aakar poochain ke aisa kyu kaha aur uss ke jawab mein taweel doo ke mera ye nahi ye matlab tha tu kya aap ko tassali ho jaye gi aur aap apnay aap ko Wald-e-Haram kehlwa lein gay?

Rahi baat Darul Uloom aur unn ke fatwo ki tu iss forum per "Marsia-e-Gangohi" per poora topic mojoud hai woh parh lijiye. Aap ko baat samajh aa jaye gi.

  Nasir Noman said:

Apney sarey jawabat deyney ki koshish to ki mager ap ney jo humari bey tuki mantaq ko samjhney ka iqrar kia tha uska jawab ap shayad dena bhool gaey?

 

Font size is liyain bara kartey hain kio key ap ko humari baat samjhney main dushwari pesh aarahi hai.

Be'tukki baat ko be'tukka hi samjha jata hai. Aap kis baat ka jawab maang rahay hain meri samajh nahi aya. Baraye'mehrbaani apni woh lines quote kar dein ke jin ka jawab aap ko nahi mila.

Meri kis baat se aap ko ye ihsaas ho raha hai ke Font size ki wajah se mujhe aap ki baat ko samajhnay mein dushwari ho rahi hai? Mein ne tu aisa kuch nahi kaha. Aur waisay bhi kisi baat ko samajhne ke liye font size nahi balkay baat karnay ke tareeqay ki zaroorat hoti hai. Mera font size normal hota hai uss ke ba'wajood meri baatein sabhi ki samajh aa rahi hain. So ye lateefay choorna band kijiye!

Mein ab ye bhi kehnay se qasir hon ke "Umeed hai iss baar mere sawalaat ka jawab dein gay" kyu ke aik baar nahi baar baar kehnay ke baad mein aap mein koi behtari ki soorat nazar nahi aiee. Bus yehi kaho ga ke koshish kijiye ga jawab dene ki.