Ye jo Pehli Hadith pesh ki gayi hai Bukhari kitab al manaqib k hawalay se us par APKI TABIYAT SAAF KARNE K LIYE JAWAB ARZ HAI.
1) Apko ye hadith main lafz Dar to nazar agaya lekin APKA KHABEES DImagh yeh kion nahi parh saka keh Isi post main OOPER isi page par kuch or bhi likha hua hai
Yani " Mujhse Muhmmad bin Kaseer ne byan kiya........ Abdullah bin Masood (rd) se ..... Unho ne kaha Hum log to JIS DIN SE UMAR MUSALMAN HOVE Barabar IZAAT SE RAHY.
2) Taqqiyah karna shayed Kafir shia ka dharam jo hai isi liye har waqt Munafiq Munafiqat kee he soch rakhta hai. Warna Apke apne Shia zaatebad main koi aisa maai ka laal naih paida hova jo keh itni bhi himmat rakhta ho. Zahir c baat hai Jub poora mooaashra Kafir ho or ikka dukka UNKA HE MASHOOR insan Islam qabool kar le to kya wo log unko Phoolon k haar pehnainge??? Umar (Rd) ka dar us waqti ghusa ki waja se tha jo un par Kafireen e Makka utaarna chahte thay, Zahir see baat hai keh Islam laany se pehle jitna bhi bahadar insan ho wo Muslim jitna bahadur nahi hota. or yeh to bilkul us waqt ka waqia hai jub unho ne naya naya Islam qabool kiya tha, na taleemat parhi thee or na he Hazoor alehisalam ki Suhbat main kuch der rahy thay. Or sub se bari baat yeh keh SHIYA BAD-ZAATON ko ye Taqqiya nahi karna chahiye. keh ye UMAR (RD) he thay jinki badolat Pehli baar MUSALMANO NE APNI MASJID BANA KAR NAMAZ PARHI THI..... <-------- Is par to kisi Kafir ki olad shia ka jawab nahi aya? Kya ab hum yeh keh dain Munafiqon ki tarha keh Ali(Rd) itne buzdil thay keh wo Public main Muslims ko Jamat nahi karwa saky or unko Umar (Rd) ka intizaar karna para??? Hargiz nahi Hum aisi behooda bakwas soch bhi nahi sakte ye SHIYA KO he dharam mubarak ho
Uske baad ap ne tehreer kiya hai keh :
(Uss k baad mein ne socha ho sakta hai k uss waqt dil kamzor ho gaya ho magar baad mein bahaduri dikhai ho...
Uss k baad jange Baddar ka waqiya hua to uss mein bhi hazrat umar ki koi bahaduri nazar nahi aati.. hazrat abu bakar ki bahaduri ka sirf aik waqiya mojood hai Seerat Ul Nabi Ibne Hashaam mein... hazrat abu bakar ne apnay beta se jang mein kaha Mera Maal Kahan Hai ??
Matlab islam aur kufr ki jang mein hazrat abu bakar ko islam ki perwah nahi thi magar maal ziada aziz tha...)
Jawab:
Pehli baat to yeh hai keh TUm kya or TUmhari Oqat kya jo tum Soch bhi sako arey jis Nasal main koi Hafiz-e-Quran he na ho wo bhala kis muh se Islam ki baat karti hai ?
(Note: Pehle scan lagao nalaiq shia - Maal ki fikar to Khumesni khabees ko bhi thi jubhi to Chandy ikathe kiye gay thay so called "islami nizam" k naam par iran main. or Ummat k tail par qabza kiya gaya yahoodi wahabiyon ki tarha. lihaza Abu Bakar (rd) par ungli uthane se pehle apni napak najas maloon paleed yazidi or Qatil-e-Hussain wali fitrat ko chor kar original scan laga phir iska bhi jawab -e- karaara le.
PHir tum ne Scan lagaya keh Usman bin affan or degar sahaba ka keh wo 3 din baad ay ye konsi bahadri thi. TO uska jawab yeh raha:
Tumhari SHia Aqal ne kabhi hadith parhi ho to tumko pata ho keh har hadees ka apna darja hota hai. kuch fabricated hadith ghari hovi hoti hain or kuch tareekh main bhi ghari hovi baaten hoti hain.
The Shia will say that ‘Umar ran away from the battle of Uhud and they will present the following proofs usually (because there aren’t any other proofs):
حدثنا : أبو هشام الرفاعي ، قال : ، ثنا : أبوبكر بن عياش ، قال : ، ثنا : عاصم بن كليب ، عن أبيه ، قال : خطب عمر يوم الجمعة ، فقرأ : آل عمران ، وكان يعجبه إذا خطب أن يقرأها ، فلما إنتهى إلى قوله : إن الذين تولوا منكم يوم التقى الجمعان ، قال : لما كان يوم أحد هزمناهم ، ففررت حتى صعدت الجبل ، فلقد رأيتني أنزو كأنني أروى ، والناس يقولون : قتل محمد ! فقلت : لا أجد أحداًً يقول قتل محمد إلاّ قتلته ، حتى إجتمعنا على الجبل ، فنزلت : إن الذين تولوا منكم يوم التقى الجمعان
From ibn Jarir al-Tabari in Jami’i al-Bayan 4/193:
Abu Hisham al-Rifa’ee said: Abu Bakr ibn ‘Ayyash said: ‘Issam ibn Kulaib from his Father: ‘Umar made a sermon on Friday so he read Surat aal-’Imran and he liked to recite it when he made his sermons and when he ended on “Indeed, those of you who turned back on the day the two armies met” He said: On the day of Uhud we defeated them so I fled and climbed the mountain … (until the end of the narration).
Hadith grading: Abu Hisham ibn Yazeed al-Rifa’ee al-Kufi is weak by consensus of the scholars of Hadith, so this narration is extremely weak.
The second narration is that of Ibn Hisham al-Hamiree in Seerat al-Nabi 2/281:
قال الراوي : قال إبن هشام : وكان ضرار لحق عمر بن الخطاب يوم أحد ، فجعل يضربه بعرض الرمح ويقول : إنج يابن الخطاب لا أقتلك !! فكان عمر يعرفها له بعد إسلامه.
Ibn Hisham said: and Dirar pursued ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab on the day of Uhud and he began hitting him with the bottom of the spear…(until the end)
Hadith grading: Between Ibn Hisham and the battle of Uhud are fifty years so this narration is Mursal and weak and it doesn’t mention him running away.
These are pretty much the only narrations that mention anything about ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab , the same two narrations are found in several books so they’re just being repeated.
for example the Shia they’ll quote from al-Dhurr al-Manthur by al-Suyuti and make it sound as if it’s a different narration whereas in reality this is the exact same narration of ibn Jarir al-Tabari, or they might quote it from Kanzul-’Ummal by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi and say that this is a different source whereas in reality al-Hindi quoted it from al-Suyuti who in turn quoted it from Ibn Jarir with the exact same weak Sanad.
Other things which the Shia might use:
-They might use the narration of Ibn Katheer in al-Seerah al-Nabawiyah who took it from al-Beihaqi with its Isnad from ‘Ammar from Abi al-Zubair from Jabir and this narration doesn’t even mention ‘Umar so it’s useless.
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Abdulwahab bhai ne baqi sub sawalon k already jawab de diye hain. lanat ho Shiya mardood par