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Hello,This is monica Happy new year happy to meet you here kindly get back to me Please for a special reason I am Waiting for you ( [email protected] )

Hello,This is monica Happy new year happy to meet you here kindly get back to me Please for a special reason I am Waiting for you ( [email protected] )

Hello,This is monica Happy new year happy to meet you here kindly get back to me Please for a special reason I am Waiting for you ( [email protected] )

Hello,This is monica Happy new year happy to meet you here kindly get back to me Please for a special reason I am Waiting for you ( [email protected] )

اللہ پاک آپ کا لوگوں بلخصوص اسلامی محفل کی پوری ٹیم کو خوش رکھے جب بھی کوئی عقیدہ کا مسائلہ درپیش ہوا ہے اس فارم سے رہنمائی ملی ہے اللہ پاک دین دنیا کی برکتیں عطا فرمائے جہانگیر عطاری ترابی کراچی پاکستان

Salafi 13th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: I have not read your response from start to end so I may not be precise but I will hit the target near enough. The core of your counter argument against teaching of Salaf-us-Saliheen has been -; we do not associate anyone with Allah as an Ilah and you don’t intend to worship anyone other than Allah, including those whom you invoke for help, hence practitioners of Istighathah are not guilty of Shirk. Your argument rests on erroneous assumption that seeking help of anyone other than Allah without committing Shirk al-Uluhiyyah and without Niyyah to worship other than Allah does not result in Shirk. IF it can be proven that seeking HELP is part of worship than seeking help creation automatically would result in worship and Shirk al-Uluhiyyah. (i) Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) took pledge and commanded his companions to practice what was revealed in the Ayah: “… we have already pledged allegiance to you. He again said: Why don't you pledge allegiance to the Messenger of Allah? We stretched our hands and said: Messenger of Allah we have already pledged allegiance to you. Now tell (on what things) should we pledge allegiance to you. He said I (You must pledge allegiance) that you would worship Allah only and would not associate with Him anything, (and observe) five prayers, and obey- (and he said one thing in an undertone) - that you would not beg people of anything. (And as a consequence of that) I saw that some of these people did not ask anyone to pick up the whip for them if it fell down.” [Ref: Muslim, Book 5, Hadith 2270, here.] On another occasion Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) commanded following to Abdullah Ibn Abbas (radiallah ta’ala anhu) -: “Ibn 'Abbas narrated: "I was behind the Prophet (s.a.w) one day when he said: 'O boy! I will teach you a statement: Be mindful of Allah and He will protect you. Be mindful of Allah and you will find Him before you. When you ask, ask Allah, and when you seek aid, seek Allah's aid. Know that if the entire creation were to gather together to do something to benefit you- you would never get any benefit except that Allah had written for you. And if they were to gather to do something to harm you- you would never be harmed except that Allah had written for you. The pens are lifted and the pages are dried.'" [Ref: Tirmadhi, Book 11, Hadith 2516, here.] This extra emphasis on seeking aid from only Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is not without reason. It is because Allah connected worship with seeking help to indicate both are same - to seek help is worship: “(All) praise is (due) to Allah, Lord of the worlds - The Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful, Sovereign of the Day of Recompense. It is You we worship and You we ask for help. Guide us to the straight path.” [Ref: Q1:1/6] (ii) This usage of wa (and) between verse: You we worship, and, You we ask for help, is Waw Atifah Tafsiliyah and not Waw al-Atifah. Usage of wa is to add a new dimension/detail to what has preceded the wa/and. This details is that what comes after the wa/and also constitutes worship – in this case seeking help part of worship. Your argument rested on erroneous assumption that seeking help without committing Shirk al-Uluhiyyah and Niyyah to worship other than Allah does not result in Shirk. With help of above evidence it has been demonstrated that seeking HELP is worship part of worship hence seeking help any creature automatically would result in worship and Shirk al-Uluhiyyah. This proves Istighathah which is seeking aid from dead saints and prophets is Shirk. Sunni 13th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: I appreciate your prompt response. There are number of issues which I need to investigate in your response and part of that investigation is this short response. Your reaction to contents of this article will determine comprehensiveness of my official rebuttal to your 13th Mail. You wrote in two places seeking help is part of worship: (i) “If it can be proven that seeking HELP is part of worship than seeking help creation automatically would result in worship and Shirk al-Uluhiyyah.” (ii) “With help of above evidence it has been demonstrated that seeking HELP is worship part of worship hence seeking help any creature automatically would result in worship and Shirk al-Uluhiyyah.” In one place you wrote – seeking help is worship: (iii) “It is because Allah connected worship with seeking help to indicate both are same - to seek help is worship: “(All) praise is (due) to …” There is a contradiction in this. Two mean – seeking help is a component of worship. The last one means, seeking help by its very nature is worship. I this context I am seeking clarification: (i) Is seeking help part of worship and not worship itself, (ii) or is seeking help. worship by its very nature?

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A Discussion On Istighathah Exposes The Khariji Hermeneutic Methodology Practiced By Wahhabism. Introduction: Istighathah is a divisive practice between Muslims and those who adhere to Wahhabism. One side holds its practitioners as polytheists, claiming that their blood, property, men, women, and children are permissible. The other side deems Istighathah a permissible practice, considers its practitioners Muslims, rejects the charge of major shirk or Kufr, and establishes—with evidences—the protection and inviolability granted to the lives, property, and honour of Muslims by Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and His Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). In retaliation second group also charges that their opponents are a relatively late branch of Kharijism, due to their hermeneutic methodology resembling that of Khawarij, and their emergence from Najd – in accordance with Ahadith recorded in Bukhari and Muslim. Khawarij are declared in Ahadith as Qarn ash-Shaytan, a horn of Satan, a group of Satan hence the charge has serious implications for those who adhere to Wahhabism. Istighathah – Which Type To Engage In, And To Defend: Istighathah OF Awliyah-Allah is permissible. Everything permissible shouldn’t be practiced. IF someone does engage in Istighathah, I DEFEND the permissibility, their Iman and Islam. Istighathah OF RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is permissible in general because Qur’anic evidence establishes Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) witnesses our deeds and our deeds are presented to him. Furthermore when visiting the blessed resting place of Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) Istighathah is RECOMMENDED because Sahabah and Tabi’een engaged in it as evidenced by Hadith of Malik al-Dar and other Ahadith connected with seeking help from the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) after his passing. Background To Delay And Subsequent Correspondence: (i) AFTER my 11th Mail there were many mail exchanges, some enquiring how long it will take; some containing complains about refutation taking too long; others taunting, mocking me and teachings of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah; my response was consistent – it is being researched and written; when it reaches completion you will be the first person to know. He also requested I share the already written content and I can continue to update him with latest contents as I write. I denied his request because submitting contents to him would enable him to write refutation to it in advance which would once again put me on difficult task of playing catch-up. Readers will understand my denial when you compute that it took me nearly NINE months to complete refutation to his 6TH MAIL. (ii) This lead to the taunting and mocking mentioned previously as it convinced Salafi that I am leading him on; and boosted his confidence, leading him to say, strength in his arguments has made me lose the will to respond. I do not blame him for entertaining such thoughts, because IF he was in my position, and I in his then likely same excitement would have taken over me too. We are all creatures of self-aggrandisement. (iii) As we are all self-respecting and our NAFS, closest in English EGO, does not allow bending knee without taking emotional damage. I had to leverage what I had stated in the beginning of this engagement: “I do not have much time available so I cannot promise I will be able to entertain you indefinitely, or write comprehensively, or manage to respond promptly. You may begin when it is convenient to so.” I also pointed out to Salafi that I haven’t been focused on writing and consistent stream of published articles ended by June 2022 which is evidenced by dates. This is roughly two and half years before you came to lime light. I also shared with him what has made me lose the will to write in general, or respond to him in due time; it were not his arguments but DISTRACTIONS. His FINAL message was: WHEN YOU’RE DONE, IF EVER, THAN SEND IT TO ME. (iv) I have labelled my response to Salafi’s 6th Mail, as 12th Mail, in an effort to keep the chronological order - 1/12 – it was 17th Mail in actual position. Salafi 1st Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: I was recommended to read your debate with a brother on Istighathah. I will not lie and say I read all of it but I have read parts of discussion. I am referring to this one, here. There is a lot of distortion and misinformation by you specifically. For example I noted you tend to insert Sufi methodology into your responses than share evidences in accordance with it. Doing this you control, steer the discussion and stealthily lead the readers to agree with you. A good example that stands out prominent is how Haram-ness of something is determined. I have something to say in regards to this but I will hold until the proper time. I will not waste too much time so I will get straight to the point. Would you be interested in a written dialogue on subject of Istighathah? Sunni 1st Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: (i) I will recommend at the least you read entire discussion you linked and IF possible also become fully acquainted with all three in order, here, here, here. I do not know IF you’re aware but one you read is second one in the series. (ii) I have no objection to discussion on subject of Istighathah providing you can keep to academic standard. I do not have much time available so I cannot promise I will be able to entertain you indefinitely, or write comprehensively, or manage to respond promptly. You may begin when it is convenient to so. (iii) What I would appreciate is that you state your position regarding subject of Istighathah and details surrounding it. To give you direction, you may consider answers to questions in following section. You’re not under any burden or otherwise to do so but avoidance will impute some degree of guilt. (iv) Is Istighathah major Shirk? Does it invalidate Iman/Islam? What are the rulings regarding those who engage in it? Are they to be killed IF they insist upon Istighathah AFTER Wahhabism has reached them with its arguments and evidences? The men who practice Istighathah, is enslaving them and their property Halal upon Muwahideen? Women who engage Istighathah, they insist on it, are they without Shar’ri measures prohibiting enslavement? Is it permissible for Muwahid to sexually benefit after acquiring them as his property? (v) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: ...” [Ref: 4:59] In accordance with this verse we will only approach Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) because their authority and judgment on is above all and no third party. Salafi 2nd Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: There you go once again. You’re trying to control the direction of discussion with your questions. (i) There is no need to divulge details you have requested with regards to Istighathah and the practitioners but specifics required will be stated on need basis. You can also seek clarification from Shuyukh IF it is something important to you. (ii) I had no plans to use Fatawa to corroborate my stance against Istighathah but why do you object to this when it is a practice common between us? Sunni 2nd Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: (i) There is no need to contact your scholarship as I am already aware what rulings are on these issues. I requested you consider these questions because it allows the readers to see how serious subject matter is according to Wahhabi scholarship. In addition your statement based on these questions would provide support to Sunni thesis and crucial validation to; Wahhabism is modern extremist Khariji ideology. I will not press the issue anymore as it is your prerogative to indulge in details, or abstain but you need to engage in Taqiyya (i.e. holy deception). (ii) I have no objection to using Fatawa to corroborate Quran and Sunnah established positions. As a matter of principle the Ayah states when you disagree refer to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and His Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). There is no need to expand the battle ground involving persons whose verdicts you/I will question, or reject in light of Quran/Sunnah, or dispute over intended meanings hence no reason to pursue this futile direction. We have definitive sources, i.e. Quran/Sunnah, clear meanings, and Tafasir/Shuruhaat. Salafi 3rd Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: (i) Taqiyyah means precaution, protection not holy deception. How is not answering some questions is Taqiyyah? (ii) I respect your candidness regarding to what you said any discussion on this would be strengthening your falsehood and weakening people of Tawheed. You can make what you like of my refusal. (ii) Fatawa, Tafasir, and Shuruhaat are good with you? Sunni 3rd Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: (i) You wrote: “I respect your candidness regarding to what you said any discussion on this would be strengthening your falsehood and weakening people of Tawheed.” This alone is enough to validate Sunni position. (ii) Tafasir and Shuruhaat can be employed as extension of Quran/Sunnah. Tafasir and Shuruhaat are the raw materials on basis of which we create/arrive at a judgment. Fatawa are rulings based on … and judgments of an Aalim. Fatawa in other words are end product and we need to judge disagreements in accordance with: “If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and ...” [Ref: 4:59] Using Tafasir and Shuruhaat will allow us to act upon this Ayah but Fatawa do not. Hence IF you use Fatawa to substantiate your stance I will not consider Fatawa in my responses and all such material will be omitted when discussion is published, here. (iii) We need to proceed to real subject matter. What is your stance on Istighathah and supporting evidence? Salafi 4th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: Istighathah means to request help. I will define types Istighathah and share ruling on each: (1) To call upon other-than Allah for a need, such as rain … while believing that the one being addressed will answer the call is Shirk. (2) To call upon other-than Allah for a need, such as rain … while believing that only Allah will answer the call is Shirk. (3) To call upon other-than Allah asking them to intercede for us with Allah is also Shirk. (4) To call upon the Prophet asking him to make Dua to Allah on our behalf is Shirk. Sunni 4th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: (i) This is standard position in accordance with Wahhabi scholarship’s teachings. (ii) I was expecting supporting evidences. Salafi 5th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: This is only an opening paragraph. In next couple of days I will pass the remaining contents. Sunni 5th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: My next correspondence will be response to what you write. Salafi 6th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: Istighathah, Its Types, And The Rulings: Istighathah means to request help. I will define types Istighathah and share ruling on each: (1) To call upon other-than Allah for a need, such as rain … while believing that the one being addressed will answer the call is Shirk. (2) To call upon other-than Allah for a need, such as rain … while believing that only Allah will answer the call is Shirk. (3) To call upon other-than Allah asking them to intercede for us with Allah is also Shirk. (4) To call upon the Prophet asking him to make Dua to Allah on our behalf is Shirk. First Argument -: Evidence Proving Istighathah Is Shirk, And Its Prohibition: (1) Istighathah at its core is Dua/Supplication. Prophet (pbuh) said Dua is worship: “Narrated An-Nu'man Ibn Bashir: The Prophet said: Supplication is itself the worship. (He then recited) "And your Lord said: Call on Me, I will answer you." (40:60).” (Abu Dawud, Hadith 1474) Allah says: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication.” (Quran:13:14) It means invocation is only right of Allah not for other than Allah because it is worship. Clear prohibition of worship of other-than Allah in stated in another verse: “Say, "I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone." (Quran: 18:110) (2) Supplication is worship and it should be offered to Allah and invoking other-than Allah would become Shirk. Istighathah being a supplication which is made to other than Allah is agreed between us hence Istighathah is Shirk. Second Argument -: The Dead Buried In Graves Do Not Hear Or Respond: Allah says: “And those they invoke other than Allah create nothing, and they (themselves) are created. They are (in fact) dead, not alive, and they do not perceive when they will be resurrected.” (Quran: 16:21) Allah also says about dead: “Only those who hear will respond. But the dead - Allah will resurrect them; then to Him they will be returned.” (Quran: 6:36) “And who is more astray than he who invokes besides Allah those who will not respond to him until the Day of Resurrection and they of their invocation are unaware.” (Quran: 46:5) T These verses prove people invoke dead PEOPLE who have not created anything but in FACT they were created by Allah, dead have no ability to hear, or see, or respond to pleas of living because they are unaware of DUAS being made to them. They will not respond to until life is restored to them on judgment day. These verses prove supplicating to dead for help such as in Istighathah is pointless practice along with Shirk. Third Argument -: There Is No Other Than Allah That Can Benefit, Or Harm: Allah says, those invoked, do not have power to drink water, like the dead to not, hence lack the ability to benefit and harm to themselves or others. Further in Ayah says invocation directed to dead by disbelievers is error: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication. And those they call upon other than Him do not respond to them with a thing, except as one who stretches his hands toward water to reach his mouth, but it will not reach it (thus). And the supplication of the disbelievers is not but in error.” (Quran: 13:14) Same meaning is attested to by following: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.” (Quran: 10:106) Allah makes it clear invocation to those who do not benefit or harm is worship: “And they worship other than Allah that which neither harms them nor benefits them, and they say, "These are our intercessors with Allah " Say, "Do you inform Allah of something He does not know in the heavens or on the earth?" Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him.” (Quran: 10:18) This evidence proves there is explicit prohibition to invoke other than Allah such as in practice of Istighathah and people who engage in it are disbelievers, because their calls to other than Allah are worship. Fourth Argument -: We Are Forbidden To Invoke All For Help: Allah tells Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims: “Say: ‘Indeed, I do not possess for you (the power of) harm or good.’” (Quran: 72:21) “Say, "I hold not for myself (the power of) benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen, I could have acquired much wealth, and no harm would have touched me. I am not except a warner and a bringer of good tidings to a people who believe.” (Quran: 7:188) In another verse Allah forbids us to call on such besides-Allah: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.” (Quran: 10:106) Allah says, the living, do not even have power over benefit and harm let alone the dead. In third verse Allah forbids believers to invoke any who is without benefit and harm. The dead are completely incapable of anything hence lack greater degree of capacity of benefit and harm hence the prohibition to invoke them is greater. Fifth Argument -: There Are No Awliya, Mawla, Naseer, Or Wali Other Than Allah: Allah says: “Do than those who disbelieved think that they can take My slaves as Awliya (protector) besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers.” (Quran: 18:102) He in another verse says these Awliya have no power over benefit, or harm: “Say: "Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth?" Say: "(It is) Allah." Say: "Have you then taken (for worship) Awliya (protectors) other than Him, such as have no power either for benefit or for harm to themselves?" (Quran: 13:16) Allah reminds the believers: “And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your Mawla (protector) - (what) an Excellent Mawla and (what) an Excellent Helper (Naseer)!” (Quran: 8:40) “Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and (that) you have not besides Allah any Wali (protector) or any helper?” (Quran: 2:107) Shirk Is Not Forgiven And It Invalidates All Deeds: Allah said only sin He does not forgive is Shirk: “Indeed, Allah does not forgive association (Shirk) with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.” (Quran 4:48) “Indeed, Allah does not forgive association (Shirk) with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray.” (Quran 4:116) Shirk also voids all deeds: “That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah, then worthless for them would be whatever they were doing.” (Quran 6:88) This seriousness of Shirk is what has led me to contact you to discuss Istighathah. In light of Quran and Sunnah Istighathah is pure Shirk and worship of Ghayrullah. Allah says: “Say: "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims (submitting to Him)." (Quran 3:64) Likewise I extend the invitation to you and ask you to not to worship any creation except Allah and not to commit Shirk with Him. Sunni 6th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: (i) I profess now as I did before: La ilaha il-Allah. (ii) In this response I will be concise and hold details IF and when needed. 1.0 - Khawarij Applied Verses Of Disbelievers Upon Muslims: “Abu Jafr al-Tabri in Kitab Tahzeeb ul-Athaar heard from; Yunus, Ibn Wahb, Amr Ibn al-Harith told me, Bakira (Ibn Abdullah bin A’shj) told me that he enquired/wondered what is opinion of Ibn Umar regarding Harurriyah (i.e. Khawarij). He said they are the worst of creatures in creation of Allah because they applied verses revealed for disbelievers upon righteous-believers.” [Ref: Taghleeq al-Ta’leeq Alas-Sahih ul-Bukhari, Vol5, Page259, here.] "And the statement of Allah: 'Allah will not mislead a people after He has guided them, until He makes clear to them what to avoid.' (9:115) And Ibn Umar used to consider them (the Khawarij and the Mulhidun) the worst of Allah's creatures and said: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” [Ref: Bukhari, Book 88, Chapter6: Killing al-Khawarij and Mulhideen, here, scribd here.] 1.1 - Fath al-Bari Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari OF Imam Ibn Hajr On Quoted Ahadith: “’Ibn Umar considered the Khawarij and the heretics as the worst beings in creation, and he said: They went to verses which were revealed about the disbelievers and applied them to the Believers.’ Imam Tabri has mentioned this Hadith in Musnad of Ali with the chain of Bakeer in Abdullah in Tahdhib al-Athaar. He asked Nafi what was the opinion of Abdullah Ibn Umar regarding Harurriyah (Khawarij). He (Nafi) replied: ‘He (Ibn Umar) used to consider them worst creations of Allah because they applied Ayaat revealed for disbelievers on believers.’ He (Imam Ibn Hajr al Asqalani) said: This Hadith has SAHIH chain. It is also proven from the Sahih Marfu Hadith of Imam Muslim which he narrated from Abu Dhar in characteristics of Khawarij, the Hadith states: They are a creation of worst kind, and Imam Ahmed has also narrated a similar Hadith from Anas Bin Malik with a strong chain. Imam Bazzar has narrated the Hadith from Aisha who narrates from Prophet that he said: They will be the worst of my Ummah and they will be killed by the best of my Ummah, The chain of this Hadith is “Hassan.” [Ref: Fath ul-Bari, Sharh Sahih ul Bukhari, Vol 16, Pages168/1699, Published by Dar Taybah, Beirut, Lebanon, here.] 1.2 - Some Other Ahadith Corroborating Statement OF Abdullah Ibn Umar: “It was narrated from Sumait bin Sumair, that ‘Imran bin Husain said: “(The leader of Azraqi Kharijis) Nafi Bin Azraq and his (Khariji) companions came. And said: ‘You are doomed, O Imran!’ He (Imran) said: ‘I am not doomed.’ They said: ‘Yes you are.’ I said: ‘Why am I doomed?’ They said: ‘Allah says: “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah, and the religion will be all for Allah Alone.” (Q2:193) He (Imran Bin Hussain) said: ‘We fought them (the Mushrikeen of Arabia) until they were defeated and the religion was all for Allah Alone. If you wish …” [Ref: Ibn Majah, B36, H3930, here.] “Yazid al-Faqir said: This view of the Khawarij had obsessed me, and we set out in a large group intending to perform the hajj and then going to the people (for the propagation of the views of the Khawarij). He (the narrator) said: We happened to past by Madinah and found there Jabir Bin Abdullah sitting near a column narrating to the people (the Ahadith of) the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him). When he mentioned the inhabitants of Hell, I said: O Companion of the Messenger of Allah what is this that you narrate, where Allah says,”Verily whomsoever you shall commit to the Fire, you indeed humiliated him” (Q3:192) “… and all those who endeavoured to get out of that would be thrown back into it.” (Q32:20) So what is it that you say? He said: Have you read the Qur’an? I said: Yes. He said: Have you heard about the (exalted) position of Muhammad (may peace be upon him) to which Allah would raise him? I said: Yes. He said: Verily the position of Muhammad (may peace be upon him) is that of great glory and that is by which Allah would bring out whosoever He would wish to bring out. He then described the Path (the Bridge) and the passing of the people over it, and said: I am afraid I may not have remembered (other things) but this much is still in my memory that people would come out of the Hell after having gone into it, and he said: They would come out of it as if they were the wood of the ebony tree. He (the narrator said -:) They would enter a river, one or the rivers of Paradise, and would bathe in it, and then come out as if they were (white like) paper. We then turned back and said: Woe be upon you! How can this old man tell a lie against the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We turned back (from the views of the Khawarij), and by God every one of us abandoned this (band of Khwarij) except one man. A similar statement has been made by Abu Nu’aim.“ [Ref: Muslim, B1, H371, here.] 2.0 - Reality OF Your Quoted Evidences Revealed In A Nutshell: Verses you applied on Muslims are revealed in regards Mushrikeen of Arabia whom denied Wahdaniyyah (One-ness) of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala), and these verses are descriptive of what they believed. They believed there are many GODS and worshipped these GODS. These GODS/IDOLS were ascribed with LIMITED supernatural powers OF Rububiyyah. As it was believed these GODS/IDOLS can benefit, or harm anyone whom they were pleased, or displeased with. Hence Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) refutes Mushrikeen and their GODS/IDOLS in these verses. 2.1 – Polytheists, Their Beliefs, And Actions In Light Of Quran: Your application of these verses upon us would have been FAIR and VALID; had the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah ascribed Ilahiyyah to a/any creation, made IDOLS to represent GODS and directed worship to these GODS/IDOLS with BELIEF OF ILAHIYYAH and with INTENTION OF WORSHIPPING IDOLS/GODS. 2.2 - Mushrikeen Attributed Ilahiyyah To Creation And Worshipped As Such: Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “You invite me to disbelieve in Allah and to join partners with Him … No doubt you call me to (worship) one who cannot grant my request (or respond to my invocation) in this world or in the Hereafter.” [Ref: Q40:42/43] "O two companions of the prison are many different lords better or Allah the One the Irresistible? You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) (by) you and your fathers for which Allah has sent down no authority.” [Ref: 12:39/40] “Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors besides Him (say to Muslims) "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah ...” [Ref: 39:3] These Ayaat establish two FACTS: i) Mushrikeen ascribed Ilahiyyah to creation. ii) They invoked/worshipped these Ilahs in order to seek needs from their Ilahs. These Ayaat establish Ilahiyyah is essential component of Ibadah. 2.3 - One Who Does Not, And Does Ascribe Ilahiyyah To Any Creation: We do not believe anyone other than Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is God/Ilah nor we ask creation’s help with this notion in mind. We do not believe anyone other than Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) deserves to be worshipped. We do not intend to worship any creation in general, nor in times of calamity. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) stated: “And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden (to be killed), except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty. Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated - Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” [Ref: Q25:68/70] This verse indirectly/implicitly states Mushrikeen associated with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) Ilahs/deities, they invoked these Ilahs as acts of worship, and killed innocent people. It also tells those who do not believe in a creation as Ilah, nor call upon another DEITY, and do righteous deeds will be in paradise. With this Ayah Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) has invalidated your Kharijism with this one Ayah. 2.4 - Applying Idol Verses On Prophet And The Damage To Iman/Islam: (i) Some verses you employed are strictly about IDOLS and cannot be applied upon Prophets and Saliheen even IF Ilahiyyah was ascribed to them. In specific you applied verse of IDOLS upon Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and I quote: “Allah tells Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims: … In another verse Allah forbids us to call on such besides-Allah: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, ...“ This act warrants major DISBELIEF which in absence of repentance Qadhi permits blood on grounds that equating Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to an idol is disrespect and dishonouring the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). (ii) Other verses you applied on Muslims were revealed in regards to people ascribing Ilahiyyah to creations and these people invoked/worshipped them. These verses cannot be applied upon us Muslims. 2.5 – Wahhabi Methodology Is Heart And Soul OF Kharijism: (i) Evidence has established by applying verses revealed in regards to polytheists upon Muslims you’re upon the methodology of Khawarij and not Muslims. How they managed this FEET one may ask? They took advantage of ambiguity in verses and took them out of context to apply them upon companions/Muslims. You have acted according to their evil Sunnah and applied them to Muslims. Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: “And he who introduces a evil Sunnah (i.e. precedent/practice) in Islam there is upon him the burden of that, and the burden of him also who acted upon it subsequently, without any deduction from their burden.” [Ref: Muslim, B34, H6466, here.] (ii) It is recorded there are three roots of Iman: “Anas bin Malik narrates from the Prophet who said: Three things are the roots of faith: (i) To refrain from (killing) a person who says: ‘There is no Deity worthy of worship except Allah.’ (ii) Not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits (iii) and also not to declare him out of Islam due to any of his deed. Jihad continues from the day I was sent as Prophet to ...” [Ref: Abu Dawud, B14, H2170] Istighathah is an action and Khawarij declare Muslims worse than a Kafir (i.e. Mushrik) due to Istighathah. This invalidates one out of three cores of Iman. Also note Khawarij nullified Iman and Islam of companions … on basis of actions/deeds. This once again establishes you’re upon Khariji methodology and not of Muslims. 3.0 - One Accusing People OF La Ilaha il-Allah OF Shirk Is Liar And Guilty Of Shirk: It is reported: “Akrama, meaning, Ibn Ammar said that he heard Sawwar Ibn Shabib al-Araji say that he was sitting in Ibn Umar's house when a man came and said: ‘O Ibn Umar! There are groups of people bearing witness against us and attributing to us Kufr and shirk.’ Ibn Umar replied: ‘Woe to you! Did you not say: La Ilaha IllAllah?’ Whereupon the entire household began to say La Ilaha Ill Allah until the house was shaking/vibrating.” [Ref: Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari, Page 373, by Imam Ibn Asakir] “From Ubayd Allah Ibn Umar, from Nafi: A man said to Ibn Umar: ‘I have a neighbour who bears witness against me that I commit shirk.’ He replied: ‘Say: 'La Ilaha ill Allah,' you will make him a liar.’" [Ref: Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari, Page 373, by Imam Ibn Asakir] Companions hand to endure the accusation of Shirk and what we the professors OF La Ilaha il-Allah have to endure is same Kharijism. Profession of La Ilaha il-Allah is enough evidence that you’re a Liar. Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) also said the (invalid) accusation of Shirk returns upon the sender: “Hudhayfah reported that the Messenger of Allah said: The most I fear on you is a man who will recite the Quran and he becomes a supporter to Islam. He will change it to what Allah permits and will. Upon that the man becomes detached from it and he throws it behind his back. And starts to fight his neighbour and he accuses him with Shirk. I (Hudhaifah) said: ‘O Prophet of Allah! Who amongst them both deserve to be called a Mushrik? The accused or the accuser?’ He replied: ‘The accuser!’" [Ref: Ibn Hibban, Tehqeeq Nasir al-Din al-Bani, Vol1, Page200, H81, here.] I and the Jammah that I represent we profess La Ilaha il-Allah hence your accusation of Shirk is returned to you and it will only increase you in FIRE. Salafi 7th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: Brother you asked me to provide evidences supporting our stance and when I did than you ignored everything. What is this? Your response can be divided in two: (i) Denial and rejecting associating partners with Allah, and worshiping them. Also claim that you believe in Allah only and worship Him only. Your insincere lip service profession to La Ilaha il-Allah is enough to absolve you all wrong doing. (ii) Your accusation that I have applied verses of disbelievers on Muslims like Khawarij did. Accused, I am Khariji and upon their Minhaj. Shirk I proven SUFIS are practicing returned to me. You mentioned other issues but I have not mentioned them here because I will address them in my rebuttal after you do justice to what I wrote, or admit your error. Now when you publish this your readers will be able to see that you have not answered anything I wrote. We cannot have dialogue IF you do not address my arguments and take your own direction. I conclusively proved Istighathah is Shirk. You in return tried to prove we Ahlus Sunnah are Khawarij. How are going to resolve the issue IF we both are not even exchanging views on a subject? I am not responding to what you wrote until you directly address my arguments and evidences. IF you refuse to answer my arguments, evidences of Quran and Sunnah against Istighathah in more direct manner I will consider this discussion concluded. There are FACTUAL errors in what you wrote: “They believed there are many GODS and worshipped these GODS. These GODS/IDOLS were ascribed with LIMITED supernatural powers OF Rububiyyah. As it was believed these GODS/IDOLS can benefit, or harm anyone whom they were pleased, or displeased with.” Polytheists did not ascribe any natural or supernatural power to partners they associated with Allah in worship. Many verses in Quran clearly prove Mushrikeen ascribed no such powers to their partners but ascribed such powers to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala😞 "If you asked them: 'Who created the heavens and earth and subjected the sun and the moon?' They would surely say: "Allah!" Then how are they deluded?" (Quran 29:61) "Say: 'Who provides for you from the heaven and the earth? Or who controls hearing and sight and who brings the living out of the dead and brings the dead out of the living and who arranges (every) matter?' They will say: 'Allah!' So say: 'Then will you not fear Him?'" (Quran 10:31) There are many more such verses. You said I disrespected Messenger of Allah (pbuh). What you did not realize is that first two verses makes Prophet (pbuh) and Muslims declare that as Allah’s creation we have no power over good or bad. Third verse instructs not to invoke upon those min dooni Allah (besides Allah) which cannot provide good/bad. Min dooni Allah is all creation including Prophets. This is Tafsir and not disrespect. Sunni 7th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: (i) I agree my rebuttal is not conventional response as one would expect but I am sure it does demolish the corner stone on which you based your accusations of Shirk against Muslims. It was made clear to you in the beginning that I will not be able to be comprehensive hence I resorted to sniping the corner stone of your argument. (ii) Your protest is justified and noted. I promise, a comprehensive refutation is being penned and will be introduced into discussion once completed than we can continue our discussion. Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: “Ibn Abbas narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: ‘Do not argue with your brother, do not joke with him, and do not make a promise, only to not fulfill it.’" [Ref: Tirmadhi, B1, H1995, here.] (iii) While work on that is continuing I would like to resolve/agree with you another matter which is crucial to resolving this discussion. Hadith records: "And the statement of Allah: 'Allah will not mislead a people after He has guided them, until He makes clear to them what to avoid.' (9:115) And Ibn Umar used to consider them (the Khawarij and the Mulhidun) the worst of Allah's creatures and said: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” [Ref: Bukhari, Book 88, Chapter6: Killing al-Khawarij and Mulhideen, here, scribd here.] Do you agree/reject what Abdullah Ibn Umar had to say about Khawarij and their methodology? Can we apply verses revealed in regards to Kafirs as IF they are describing Muslims? What do you have to say? (iv) In regards to alleged FACTUAL ERROR: Your knowledge of Islam and Quran is DEFECTIVE as well as what Mushrikeen believed about their Ilahs. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Is not Allah enough for his Servant? But they try to frighten thee with other besides Him! For such as Allah leaves to stray, there can be no guide.” [Ref: Q39:36] "We say nothing but that (perhaps) some of our gods may have seized thee with imbecility. “He said: "I call Allah to witness, and do ye bear witness, that I am free from the sin of ascribing, to Him." [Ref: Q11:54] These two verses indicate Mushrikeen ascribed some degree of awareness to their Ilahs, including hearing the call of help, seeing who is calling, ability to provide aid/harm/benefit, and who to target with them. IF you ponder over this you will realize; awareness and abilities ascribed to their Ilahs has to be supernatural type. Finally evidence you quoted establishes Mushrikeen believed Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) created the universe and He manages all the MAJOR AFFAIRS in the universe but other AFFAIRS His partners have share in. (v) IF you wish respond to any other material in my rebuttal please do so in the next because I will respond to all your contents not dealt by me in one go. It will take time but IF Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) permits I will be true to my promise. Salafi 8th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: (i) You haven’t refuted anything I wrote. It is just your wishful thinking. (ii) To be honest what you wrote does not respond to my arguments comprehensively, or incomprehensively. (iii) I will hold you to your promise. Prophet OF Allah Applied Verses Revealed For Disbelievers on Muslims: You said Salafiyyah adheres to Minhaj of Khawarij because we extrapolate realities of verses upon ‘Muslims’ which were originally revealed for disbelievers. This is nothing but a lie against us because we are upon Minhaj of Messenger of Allah (pbuh). Evidence From Sunnah Prophet OF Allah Applied Such Verses On Muslims: (i) “Abu Waqid Al-Laithi narrated that when the Messenger of Allah went out to Hunain he passed a tree that the idolaters called Dhat Anwat upon which they hung their weapons. They (the Companions) said: "O Messenger of Allah! Make a Dhat Anwat for us as they have a Dhat Anwat.' The Prophet said: "Subhan Allah! This is like what Musa's people said: Make for us a god like their gods. By the One in Whose is my soul! You shall follow the way of those who were before you." [Ref: Tirmadhi, Book 7, Hadith 2180, here.] Messenger (pbuh) was referencing this Ayah: “And We took the Children of Israel across the sea; then they came upon a people intent in devotion to idols of theirs. They said: "O Moses make for us a god just as they have gods." He said, "Indeed, you are a people behaving ignorantly.” (Quran: 7:138) This Ayah was revealed about disbelievers and Prophet (pbuh) extended the detail to companions. (ii) “It was narrated from Ali bin Husain, from his father, that: His grandfather Ali bin Abi Talib said: "The Messenger of Allah came in to Fatimah and I, one night and woke us up to pray, then he went back to his house and prayed for part of the night, and he did not hear any movement from us. He came back to us and woke us up, and said: 'Get up and pray.' I sat up, rubbing my eyes, and said: 'By Allah, we will only pray that which has decreed for us; our souls are in the hand of Allah and if He wants to make us get up, He will make us get up.' The Messenger of Allah turned away, striking his hand on his thigh, saying: 'We will only pray that which Allah has decreed for us! But man is ever more quarrelsome than anything.'" [Ref: Nisaee, Book 20, Hadith 1613, here.] Prophet (pbuh) applied last part of Ayah on Ali (may Allah be pleased with him😞 “And We have certainly diversified in this Qur'an for the people from every (kind of) example; but man has ever been, most of anything, (prone to) dispute.” (Quran: 18:54) (iii) Allah said: “Competition in (worldly) increase diverts you. Until you visit the graveyards. No! You are going to know. Then no! You are going to know. No! If you only knew with knowledge of certainty. You will surely see the Hellfire. Then you will surely see it with the eye of certainty. Then you will surely be asked that Day about pleasure.” (Quran: 102:1/8) Prophet (pbuh) told Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) that they will be questioned about food they have enjoyed: “Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger went out (of his house) one day or one night, and there he found Abu Bakr and 'Umar also. He said: What has brought you out of your houses at this hour? They said: Allah's Messenger, it is hunger. Thereupon he said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, what has brought you out has brought me out too; get up. They got up along with him and (all of them) came to the house of an Ansari, but he was not at home. When his wife saw him she said: Most welcome, and Allah's Messenger said to her: Where is so and so? She said: He has gone to get some fresh water for us. When the Ansari came and he saw Allah's Messenger and his two Companions, he said: Praise be to Allah, no one has more honourable guests today than I (have). He then went out and brought them a bunch of ripe dates, dry dates and fresh dates, and said: Eat some of them. He then took hold of his long knife (for slaughtering a goat or a sheep). Allah's Messenger said to him: Beware of killing a milch animal. He slaughtered a sheep for them and after they had eaten of it and of the bunch and drank, and when they had taken their fill and had been fully satisfied with the drink, Allah's Messenger said to Abu Bakr and Umar: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, you will certainly be questioned about this bounty on the Day of judgment. Hunger brought you out of your house then you did not return until this bounty came to you.” [Ref: Muslim, Book 23, Hadith 5055, here.] This Hadith is proof Prophet (pbuh) applied Ayah revealed in regards to Kafirs but he extrapolated its understanding upon two companions. This has refuted your argument; verses about disbelievers cannot be applied to Muslims and doing so is sign/methodology of Khawarij. Why There Is No Truth In Charge Salafiyyah Is Kharijism: (i) Qur’anic evidence we use to prove Istighathah is Shirk is justified because your actions are of Shirk and Kufr. Hadith you used clearly indicate Khawarij were in wrong and unjustly extrapolated rulings upon companions. (ii) About applying verses of Kafirs upon Muslims; our methodology is in agreement with Sunnah. Hence arguments and evidences against Istighathah in my initial refutation remain relevant and prove Shirk in Istighathah. (iii) Your attestation to, La Ilaha il-Allah is inconsequential until you leave Shirk in your creed and practice. You have not FALSIFIED Salafiyyah and we’re not LIARS. Polytheists Do Not Believe Their Gods Can Harm: You quoted the Ayah: “Is not Allah enough for his Servant? But they try to frighten thee with other besides Him! For such as Allah leaves to stray, there can be no guide.” [Ref: Q39:36] All you had to do was to read two verses more and your lie would’ve been undone: “And whomsoever Allah guides, for him there will be no misleader. Is not Allah All-Mighty, Possessor of Retribution? And verily, if you ask them: "Who created the heavens and the earth?" Surely they will say: "Allah (has created them)." Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allah - if Allah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm? Or if He (Allah) intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?" Say: "Sufficient for me is Allah; in Him those who trust (i.e. believers) must put their trust." (39:37-38) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) silenced polytheists by the way of REFUTATION. Revealing they did not believe in supernatural powers and were inventing lie for the situation to scare Prophet (pbuh). Surah Hud verse 54 is not your evidence. It is about Prophet Hud (pbuh) and his nation so naturally this is what his nation believed and they said to Prophet Hud (pbuh). Sunni 8th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: In regards to Khawarij applying verses revealed in relation to Kafirs to describe Muslims: (i) Did Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) state what Khawarij did? (ii) Did the Khawarij adhere to prophetic methodology? (iii) Was Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) mistaken in him judgement in regards to methodology of Khawarij? (iv) Did Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) establish Shirk by likening the request of his companions to request made by nation of Prophet Musa (alayhis salaam😞 MAKE FOR US A GOD? Salafi 9th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: (i) Khawarij were on prophetic methodology (ii) but their applications were erroneous. (iii) Ibn Umar’s judgment against methodology of Khawarij is against the Sunnah hence it is rejected. (iv) Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) showed Shirk in the request by quoting evidence as we do in relation to your polytheistic practices. Sunni 9th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: I am responding to contents of your 8th MAIL. 0.0- When Verses Revealed In Context OF Mushrikeen Can Be Applied To Muslims: Detail discussion about when and which aspect of an Ayah can be applied even IF revealed in regards to context Mushrikeen/Kafirs can be accessed, here, section 2.0 to 2.2. 1.0 - Hadith Of Dhat Anwat, Qur’anic Verse, And Your Argument: It is recorded in Hadith: “… the idolaters called Dhat Anwat upon which they hung their weapons. They (the Companions) said: "O Messenger of Allah! Make a Dhat Anwat for us as they have a Dhat Anwat.' The Prophet said: "Subhan Allah! This is like what Musa's people said: Make for us a god like their gods. By the One in Whose is my soul! You shall follow the way of those who were before you." [Ref: Tirmadhi, Book 7, Hadith 2180, here.] In Hadith Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) referenced following Ayah: “And We took the Children of Israel across the sea; then they came upon a people intent in devotion to idols of theirs. They said: "O Moses make for us a god just as they have gods." He said, "Indeed, you are a people behaving ignorantly.” [Ref: Q7:138] About this Ayah you stated: (i) “This Ayah was revealed about disbelievers and Prophet (pbuh) extended the detail to companions.” (ii) “Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) showed Shirk in the request by quoting evidence as we do in relation to your polytheistic practices. 1.1 - You Will Follow Jewish, And Christian Traditions, Genre OF Ahadith: (i) Incident mentioned in Hadith seems to be the cause of underlined prophetic saying: “They (the Companions) said: "O Messenger of Allah! Make a Dhat Anwat for us as they have a Dhat Anwat.' The Prophet said: "Subhan Allah! This is like what Musa's people said: Make for us a god like their gods. By the One in Whose is my soul! You shall follow the way of those who were before you." [Ref: Tirmadhi, Book 7, Hadith 2180, here.] "You will follow the ways of those nations who were before you so much that you will resemble each other as an arrow resembles another. Even if they entered a hole of a mastigure, you would follow them." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! (Do you mean) the Jews and the Christians?" He said, "Whom else?" [Ref: Bukhari, B92, H 422] (ii) Many misconceptions, misunderstanding and gross distortions about these Ahadith have been corrected in this article, here. Hadith is brought into discussion 2.0 and ends on section 4.14. Same Ahadith have been dealt in another article, here. In an account of Istighathah discussion, here, section 11 to 11.8 contains discussion on meaning of these Ahadith. (iii) These Ahadith means Muslims will imitate and behave like Jews and Christians so extremely they will be one and the same. For the FIRST time in history of Islam and Muslims we are witnessing the reality of this prophetic saying. We are eating, sleeping, dressing, watching on TV, even beginning to accept social, moral, cultural practices, and even speaking dominant language (English) and enjoining in the collective ACHIEVEMENT OF JEWS AND CHRISTIANS. In other words we are becoming SECULAR AND WESTERNISED like them. Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) did not say we will FOLLOW their religions of JEWS and CHRISTIANS he said you will be like them. (iv) In the Hadith you quoted Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: “By the One in Whose is my soul! You shall follow the way of those who were before you." [Ref: Tirmadhi, Book 7, Hadith 2180, here.] It meant Muslims will imitate the ways of Jahiliyyah Mushrikeen of Arabia and like Ahadith mentioning Muslims will imitate Jews/Christians in their cultural practices this Hadith also indicates imitation of cultural practices of pre-Islamic era Mushrikeen. These Ahadith do not indicate adherence to religious theology. 2.0 - Likening And Comparison Is Never Absolute, Never All-Details-Inclusive: The companions did not request the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to designate for them a DEITY to bless their weapons because LIKENING… Anyone who says contrary to this is a KAFIR because he/she ESTABLISHES MAJOR SHIRK OF companions. Nor the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said the companions requested a DEITY because LIKENING one to another is ALWAYS in limited sense. When we say X attacked Y like a LION. Do we mean on all FOUR, charged at Y and clamped on X with his teeth? No! It means X attacked Y FEROCIOUSLY/BRAVELY. Likening is always in limited sense and all details are not inclusive. 2.1 – The Limited Likeness In Requests OF Companions OF Two Prophets Established: Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) equated request of companions with request of Jews because members of both nations sought from their respective Prophet something which they didn’t have but Mushrikeen had. LIKENING in context of companions is; COMPANIONS wanting TREE TO GAIN BLESSINGS like Mushrikeen have Dhat al-Anwat to give them blessings. 2.2 – Incident OF Dhat al-Anwat, Its Relationship With, Make US God: (i) Dhat al-Anwat a TREE upon which the Banu Quraysh hanged their weapons to gain blessings of it. (ii) When the companions requested from Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam😞 "O Messenger of Allah! Make a Dhat Anwat for us as they have a Dhat Anwat.” In other words, O Messenger of Allah designate for Muslims a TREE from which we can get TABARRUK like Mushriks have Dhat al-Anwat to give them blessings. To which the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) replied: "Subhan Allah! This is like what Musa's people said: Make for us a god like their gods.” It means: Jews asked Prophet Musa (alayhis salam) to make them a DEITY LIKE those Mushrikeen have. You my companions saw a TREE (Dhat al-Anwat on which Mushrikeen hang their weapons to gain its blessing) and you want TREE to bless your weapons LIKE Mushrikeen. And he ended by saying: “By the One in Whose is my soul! You shall follow the ways/Sunnahs of those who were before you." [Ref: Tirmadhi, Book 7, Hadith 2180, here.] This incident itself is evidence that Muslims acted on ways of those before (i.e. Jews, Mushrikeen) by demanding a TREE to bless their weapons. Had their wish been granted then they would have resembled the Mushrikeen in practice. (iii) Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) did not literally applied the Ayah to say you have asked for a GOD/IDOL. Instead to establish both parties wanted to be like the people they encountered while on a journey with their respective Prophet. 2.3 - Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah Says Regarding Hadith OF Dhat al-Anwat: Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah says that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) repudiated/refuted the companions because they wanted to resemble Mushrikeen: “So the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) repudiated them merely resembling the unbelievers in taking a tree, maintaining it and hanging their weapons on it.” Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah goes on ask thought provoking question – how Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) would have responded IF companions asked something more: “So how about something much greater than that when one makes resemblance to the idol worshippers or actually commits Shirk?” [Ref: Iqtida us-Sirat il-Mustaqim Li-Mukhalafati Asbab il-Jahim, Vol.2, Page648/649, here.] This last sentence reveals Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah did not take request of companions to mean, appoint for us an Ilah other than Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala), nor Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah thought repudiation of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) amounted to companions becoming guilty of demanding an Ilah other than Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Instead Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah like Muslims understood that Hadith of Dhat al-Anwat is repudiation, rejection, and refutation OF imitating the ways, practices, behaviour of Jews, Christians, and Mushrikeen. 2.4 - Why Prophet Likened Request OF His Companions To Request OF Bani Israel: (i) Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) equated it with request of Jews because he wanted the companions to oppose ways of Arab Mushrikeen and not desire to be like them but to put hate, dislike, and contempt in heart of his companions. (ii) What Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) did is similar to what Prophet Ibrahim (alayhis salam) did by equating idol worship with Satan worship to put disgust in heart of Azar about his creed and actions. (iii) Prophet Ibrahim (alayhis salam) says: “Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: "Takest thou idols for gods/Ilahs? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error." [Ref:Q 6:74] “Behold he said to his father: "O my father! Why worship that which heareth not and seeth not, and can profit thee nothing?” [Ref: Q19:42] And in act of exaggerative rhetoric Prophet Ibrahim (alayhis salam) equates Azar’s worship of idols to worship of Satan: "O my father! Worship not Satan: for Satan is a rebel against ar-Rahman.” [Ref: 19:44] (v) I personally have discouraged Muslims from engaging in Haram acts by equating Haram acts with repugnant things. I have equated drinking alcohol to eating a pig. Discouraged a Muslim from Zina with his GF and encouraged marriage by confirming with him in Islam Muslims are brothers and sisters. (iv) This type of rhetorical device is used to shame and embarrass people into abstaining. Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) equated request of his companions with people of Bani Israel seeking an Ilah because he wanted to embarrass and shame them and put hate and dislike of resembling Mushrikeen. 3.0 – Prophet Likening His Wives To Female Companions OF Prophet Yusuf: (i) You said regarding request of companions of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) that their request was Shirki and Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) established upon them evidence of Shirk: “Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) showed Shirk in the request by quoting evidence as we do in relation to your polytheistic practices.” What you wrote indicates you believe Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) applied the literal obvious reading of verses upon his companions. I will demonstrate how dangerous your methodology is and hope it will encourage you to return to way of Muslims. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) narrates: “And women in the city said: "The wife of al-Azeez is seeking to seduce her slave boy; he has impassioned her with love. Indeed, we see her (to be) in clear error." So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and prepared for them a banquet and gave each one of them a knife and said (to Joseph): 'Come out before them.' And when they saw him, they greatly admired him and cut their hands and said: "Perfect is Allah! This is not a man; this is none but a noble angel." She said, "That is the one about whom you blamed me. And I certainly sought to seduce him, but he firmly refused; and if he will not do what I order him, he will surely be imprisoned and will be of those debased." He said, "My Lord, prison is more to my liking than that to which they invite me. And if You do not avert from me their plan, I might incline toward them and (thus) be of the ignorant." [Ref: Q12:30/33] Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said to his wives: “Narrated Aisha: That the Prophet said (to her). "Order Abu Bakr to lead the people in prayer." She replied," Abu Bakr is a soft-hearted person and when he stands at your place, he will weep (so he will not be able to lead the prayer)." The Prophet repeated the same order and she gave the same reply. The narrator, Shuba said that the Prophet aid on the third or fourth time. "You are (like) the female companions of Joseph. Order Abu Bakr to lead the prayer." [Ref: Bukhari, B55, H598, here.] There are many more Ahadith which reveal that these wives were none other than Aisha (radiallal ta’ala anha) and Hafsa (radiallah ta’ala anha). (iii) Did the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) charge his wives Aisha (radiallah ta’ala anha) and Hafsa (radiallah ta’ala anha) OF attempting to seduce a man in an attempt to establish illicit relationship? Ya Kafir IF you could not have imagined this than how could you accuse the Jammah of companions of requesting a DEITY other than Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala)? How can you say the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) charged his companions of major Shirk and that he established they requested a DEITY other than Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). 3.1 - Explaining Words OF Prophet In Light OF Events Mentioned In Quran: (i) The FEMALES which Prophet Yusuf (alayhis salaam) encountered wished Prophet Yusuf (alayhis salaam) do as they wanted him to. What they wanted from Prophet Yusuf (alayhis salaam) was against the command and plan of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). In similar fashion the Ummahaat ul-Momineen hoped the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) do as they wished and instead appoint Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) as Imam in Masjid al-Nabvi and this was against the command of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and plan of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Why? There was reason why Abu Bakr (radiallah ta’ala anhu) was commanded to lead Salah instead of Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). (ii) “Narrated Al-Qasim bin Muhammad: Aisha, (complaining of headache) said, "Oh, my head"! Allah's Messenger said, "I wish that had happened while I was still living, for then I would ask Allah's Forgiveness for you and invoke Allah for you." Aisha said, "Wa thuklayah! By Allah, I think you want me to die; and if this should happen, you would spend the last part of the day sleeping with one of your wives!" The Prophet said, "Nay, I should say, 'Oh my head!' I felt like sending for Abu Bakr and his son, and appoint him as my successor lest some people claimed something or some others wished something, but then I said (to myself), 'Allah would not allow it to be otherwise, and the Muslims would prevent it to be otherwise.” [Ref: Bukhari, B70, H570, here.] This connection was who will be seen as a Caliph of Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). (iii) Both groups of FEMALES wanted something which was against command and plan of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). IF Prophet Yusuf complied with the demands of the women he wouldn’t have ended in prison, honourable discharge, trusted advisor, and eventually becoming king. IF Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) had accepted suggestion of his wives than Caliphate issue would have got complicated, maybe civil wars. Hence both group of FEMALES wanted PROPHETS act against commands and plan of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and this is what the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) indicated by saying to his wives: "You are (like) the female companions of Joseph.“ (iv) Any who reads more than this meaning into words of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) in order to blame and defame the righteous mothers of Momineen is a Shaytan at the very least. 4.0 – Seeking Tabarruk/Blessings From Objects In Light Of Quran And Sunnah: (i) Companions desired something like Dhat al-Anwat because they wished to seek Tabarruk (i.e. blessings). Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) rebuked them but in Islam seeking blessings various items including hair of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is proven. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) narrates what Prophet Yusuf (alayhis salam) said: “Take this, my shirt, and cast it over the face of my father; he will become seeing. And bring me your family, all together." [Ref: Q12:93] In addition to this there are Ahadith in which it is recorded companions employed relics, sweat and hair of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to gain favour of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala😞 "Narrated IsraiI: `Uthman bin `Abdullah bin Mauhab said, "My people sent me with a bowl of water to Um Salama." Isra'il approximated three fingers ('indicating the small size of the container in which there was some hair of the Prophet. Uthman added, "If any person suffered from evil eye or some other disease, he would send a vessel (containing water) to Um Salama. I looked into the container (that held the hair of the Prophet) and saw a few red hairs in it." [Ref: Bukhari, B72, H784, here.] “… striped garment; and so far as the red saddle cloth is concerned that is the saddle cloth of Abdullah and it is red. I went back to Asma' and informed her whereupon she said: Here is the cloak of Allah's Messenger and she brought out to me that cloak made of Persian cloth with a hem of brocade, and its sleeves bordered with brocade and said: This wall Allah's Messenger's cloak with 'Aisha until she died, and when she died. I got possession of it. The Apostle of Allah used to wear that, and we washed it for the sick and sought cure thereby.” [Ref: Muslim, Book 24, Hadith 5149, here.] “Narrated Thumama: Anas said, "Um Sulaim used to spread a leather sheet for the Prophet and he used to take a midday nap on that leather sheet at her home." Anas added, "When the Prophet had slept, she would take some of his sweat and hair and collect it (the sweat) in a bottle and then mix it with Suk (a kind of perfume) while he was still sleeping. "When the death of Anas bin Malik approached, he advised that some of that Suk be mixed with his Hanut (perfume for embalming the dead body), and it was mixed with his Hanut.” [Ref: Bukhari, B74, H298, here.] These evidences establish seeking Tabarruk is permissible and not Shirk as the disbelievers say. 4.1 – Issue OF Seeking Tabarruk/Blessings From Dhat al-Anwat: Mushrikeen sought blessings from TREE named Dhat al-Anwat. Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) discouraged Muslims from following the ways of Jews and Christians in many Ahadith; this Hadith adds POLYTHEISTS to this list. He did not condemn and nor his companions understood his rebuke to mean; in Islam seeking blessings; nearness to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) via vestiges of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is sinful, or Kufr, or Shirk; nor understood doing such would amount to elevating the relic, or to one it belonged to status of Ilah/Ma’bud. This idea request to have a similar TREE to revival Dhat al-Anwat amounts to requesting an idol is product of idiotic mind and Kharijism. 5.0 - You Said, Prophet Applied Ayah Revealed For Kafirs Upon Hadhrat Ali: “It was narrated from Ali bin Husain, from his father, that: His grandfather Ali bin Abi Talib said: "The Messenger of Allah came in to Fatimah and I, one night and woke us up to pray, then he went back to his house and prayed for part of the night, and he did not hear any movement from us. He came back to us and woke us up, and said: 'Get up and pray.' I sat up, rubbing my eyes, and said: 'By Allah, we will only pray that which has decreed for us; our souls are in the hand of Allah and if He wants to make us get up, He will make us get up.' The Messenger of Allah turned away, striking his hand on his thigh, saying: 'We will only pray that which Allah has decreed for us! But man is ever more quarrelsome than anything.'" [Ref: Nisaee, Book 20, Hadith 1613, here.] Prophet (pbuh) applied last part of Ayah on Ali (may Allah be pleased with him😞 “And We have certainly diversified in this Qur'an for the people from every (kind of) example; but man has ever been, most of anything, (prone to) dispute.” (Quran: 18:54)” 6.0 - Jawami al-Kalim, Short Expression Widest Meanings Possible Nature Of Quran: Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: “Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Messenger saying: "I have been sent with Jawami al-Kalim, and I was made victorious with awe (cast into the hearts of the enemy). And while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me and were put in my hand." Muhammad said: Jawami-al-Kalim means that Allah expresses in one or two statements or thereabouts the numerous matters that used to be written in the books revealed before (the coming of) the Prophet.” [Ref: Bukhari, B87, H141, here.] This comprehensive and width and breath of meanings contained in Quran are due to GENERALITY of Qur’anic verses. 6.1 - Generality Demonstrated By Word Usage In Quran Is All Inclusive: (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And the Mujrimoon (criminals) shall see the fire and afraid that they have to fall therein. And they will find no way of escape from there. And We have certainly diversified in this Qur'an for the people from every (kind of) example; but human has ever been, most of anything, (prone to) dispute. (54) And nothing prevents people from believing, (now) when the guidance (the Qur'an) has come to them, and from asking forgiveness of their Lord, except that the ways of the ancients be repeated with them, or the torment be brought to them face to face.” [Ref: Q18:53/55] These Ayaat are explained by another part of Quran in context of JUDGMENT DAY where argumentative nature of HUMAN will result in Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) ordering angels to seal MOUTHS of Mujrimoon (criminals😞 “(It will be said): "And O you Mujrimoon (criminals)! Get you apart this Day (from the believers). Did I not command you, O Children of Adam, that you should not worship Satan. Verily, he is a plain enemy to you. And that you should worship Me. That is the Straight Path. And indeed he (Satan) did lead astray a great multitude of you. Did you not then understand? This is Hell which you were promised! Burn therein this Day for that you used to disbelieve. This Day We shall seal up their mouths, and their hands will speak to Us, and their legs will bear witness to what they used to earn. And if it had been Our Will, We would surely have wiped out (blinded) their eyes, so that they would struggle for the Path, how then would they see?” [Ref: Q36:59/66] (ii) Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) interpreted the Ayah 65 of Surah Ya Sin (36) in light of Momineen and Munafiqeen. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “This Day, We shall seal up their mouths, and their hands will speak to Us, and their legs will bear witness to what they used to earn. (It is said that one's left thigh will be the first to bear the witness).” [Ref: Q36:65] As it can be seen in context this Ayah was revealed in regards to people who worshipped Satan, believed in gods/idols and worshipped them instead of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala), and disbelieved in resurrection yet Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) interpreted it in context of believers: “Anas b. Malik reported: We were in the company of Allah's Messenger when he smiled, and said: Do you know why I laughed? We said: Allah and His Messenger know best. Thereupon he said: It was because (there came to my mind the) talk which the servant would have with his Lord (on the Day of judgment). He would say: My Lord, have you not guaranteed me protection against injustice? He would say: Yes. Then the servant would say: I do not deem valid any witness against me but my own self, and He would say: Well, enough would be the witness of yourself against you and that of the two angels who had been appointed to record your deeds. Then the seal would be set upon his mouth and it would be said to his hands and feet to speak and they would speak of his deeds. Then the mouth would be made free to talk, he would say (to the hands and feet): Be away, let there be curse of Allah upon you. It was for your safety that I contended.” [Ref: Muslim, B42, H7079, here.] (iii) Why did Messenger OF Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) interpret a Qur’anic verse in context of Muslims when it is in context of KAFIRS? Portions of verses of Quran are KHAS (i.e. specific) to Kafirs/Mushrikeen and other parts are AAM (i.e. general), or you can say UNIVERSAL. Hence parts of these verses which are universal/general are inclusive of all, believers and disbelievers alike. 6.2 - Generality In Specific Context Remains Upon Universal Insinuations: (i) I will demonstrate principle with another Ayah that generality is all inclusive and exclusive of none unless Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) or His Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) EXPLICITLY negates universal message in a GENERAL Ayah. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “O wives of the Prophet, you are not like anyone among women. If you fear Allah then do not be soft in speech (to men) lest he in whose heart is disease should covet but speak with appropriate speech. And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as (was) the display of the former times of ignorance. And establish prayer and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity O Ahl al-Bayt (people of the Prophet's household), and to purify you with (extensive) purification. And remember what is recited in your houses of the verses of Allah and wisdom. Indeed, Allah is ever Subtle and Acquainted (with all things).” [Ref: Q33:32/34] In the context underlined Ayah is about the wives of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Despite the context Ayah does not exclude others. The GENERALITY contained in words, Ya Ahl al-Bayt (O people of household), allows others to be deemed part Prophet Muhammad’s (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) Ahl al-Bayt even though they are not wives: “Narrated Umar bin Abi Salamah - the step-son of the Prophet: "When these Ayat were revealed to the Prophet: ‘Allah only wishes to remove the Rijs (impurity) from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.' (33:33) in the home of Umm Salamah, he called for Fatimah, Hasan, Husain, and wrapped him in the cloak, and Ali was behind him, so he wrapped him in the cloak, then he said: 'O Allah! These are the people of my house, so remove the Rijs (impurity) from them, and purify them with a thorough purification.' So Umm Salamah said: 'And I, Prophet of Allah?' He said: 'You are in your place (meaning you are already a member of my household), and you are goodness.'" [Ref: Tirmadhi, B44, H3205, here.] (ii) In Arabic words Ahl al-Bayt (people of household) are/were used to mean biological relatives and as well as wives hence Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) demonstrated another meaning of Ayah based on GENERALITY contained in words Ahl al-Bayt. 7.0 - Ayah Is Referencing Characteristic Common To Human; Not Exclusive To Kafirs: (i) You quoted Ayah: “… example; but man has ever been, most of anything, (prone to) dispute.” The Ayah you referenced uses Arabic word INSAAN (human) and not Arabic equivalent of MAN. Translating INSAAN to mean MAN makes the referrence specific to Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu). Correct translation should be: “… but human has ever been, most of anything, (prone to) dispute.” [Ref: Q18:54] (ii) Insaan/Human has generality and all-inclusiveness. Furthermore characteristic mentioned in quoted Ayah is human nature abundantly reflected by Muslims and Kafirs. Hence part extrapolated by Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is not exclusive characteristic of Kafirs nor the last part of Ayah is exclusively about Kafirs hence Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) applied it on Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu) due to his rebutting effort of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Hence Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) did not apply verse of Kafirs on Muslim. 8.0 - You Said, Prophet Applied Ayah Upon Hadhrat; Abu Bakr, Umar About Food They Ate: “(iii) Allah said: “Competition in (worldly) increase diverts you. Until you visit the graveyards. No! You are going to know. Then no! You are going to know. No! If you only knew with knowledge of certainty. You will surely see the Hellfire. Then you will surely see it with the eye of certainty. Then you will surely be asked that Day about pleasure.” (Quran: 102:1/8) Prophet (pbuh) told Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) that they will be questioned about food they have enjoyed: “Abu Huraira reported […] of the bunch and drank, and when they had taken their fill and had been fully satisfied with the drink, Allah's Messenger said to Abu Bakr and Umar: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, you will certainly be questioned about this bounty on the Day of judgment. Hunger brought you out of your house then you did not return until this bounty came to you.” [Ref: Muslim, Book 23, Hadith 5055, here.] This Hadith is proof Prophet (pbuh) applied Ayah revealed in regards to Kafirs but he extrapolated its understanding upon two companions. This has refuted your argument; verses about disbelievers cannot be applied to Muslims and doing so is sign/methodology of Khawarij.” 9.0 - People Will Not Be Questioned About Private Part Covering Cloth, Food, And Shelter: Hadith in Muslim records Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: “Praise be to Allah, no one has more honourable guests today than I (have). He then went out and brought them a bunch of ripe dates, dry dates and fresh dates, and said: Eat some of them. He then took hold of his long knife (for slaughtering a goat or a sheep). Allah's Messenger said to him: Beware of killing a milch animal. He slaughtered a sheep for them and after they had eaten of it and of the bunch and drank, and when they had taken their fill and had been fully satisfied with the drink, Allah's Messenger said to Abu Bakr and Umar: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, you will certainly be questioned about this bounty on the Day of judgment. Hunger brought you out of your house then you did not return until this bounty came to you.” [Ref: Muslim, Book 23, Hadith 5055, here.] In light of this Hadith you said: “Prophet (pbuh) told Abu Bakr and Umar that they will be questioned about food they have enjoyed: …” What you stated is categorically against other Hadith in which Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said people will not be questioned about three things and FOOD eaten to satisfy hunger was one out of three: “Abu Asib said: God's messenger went out during the night and when he passed me by and called to me I went out to him. He then passed by Abu Bakr, and when he called him he went out to him. He then passed by 'Umar and when he called him he went out to him. He then set off and when he had entered a garden belonging to one of the Ansar he asked the owner of the garden to give us some ripening dates to eat. He brought a bunch and laid it down, and when he and his companions had eaten he called for some cold water, after drinking which he said, "You will be questioned about this bounty on the day of resurrection." Thereupon Umar seized the bunch, and when he had thrown it on the ground so that the ripening dates were scattered towards God’s Messenger. He said: "Messenger of God, shall we be questioned about this on the day of resurrection?" He replied, "Yes, but not for three things: a rag with which a man covers his private parts, or a crumb with which he allays his hunger, or a shelter 1 into which he warms himself to escape heat and cold." [Ref: Mishkat ul-Masabih, B21, H90, here.] This Hadith is Hassan. This Hadith removes all ambiguity and adds missing details from Hadith of Sahih Muslim. 9.1 - Explaining Why Prophet Quoted, That You Will Be Questioned About Bounty: It was hunger which brought Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and two companions out of their houses but when FOOD satisfied the hunger and water quenched the thirst; Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) had thrown the bounty/dates on the ground without any regards for FOOD item and its importance. He had forgotten roles dates played in satisfying his hunger hence Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) in mild rebuke quoted the Ayah to inform him that Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) will be questioned about throwing dates on the ground in disregard. Hence questioning will not be about FOOD eaten but it will be regarding FOOD thrown on GROUND. 10.0 – Surah Takaathur (102) Contextualized In Light OF Quran: (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) revealed: “Competition in (worldly) increase diverts you. Until you visit the graveyards. No! You are going to know. Then no! You are going to know. No! If you only knew with knowledge of certainty. You will surely see the Hellfire. Then you will surely see it with the eye of certainty. Then you will surely be asked that Day about pleasure.” [Ref: Q102:1/8] This Surah needs to be contextualized. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And We have certainly honoured the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created, with (definite) preference.” [Ref: Q17:70] Regarding children of Adam (alayhis salam) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Competition in (worldly) increase diverts you.” [Ref: Q102:1] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) details the competition intended by Him and the consequences of competition which diverts Bani Adam in another Ayah: “Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - like the example of a rain whose (resulting) plant growth pleases the tillers; then it dries and you see it turned yellow; then it becomes (scattered) debris. And in the Hereafter is severe punishment and forgiveness from Allah and approval. And what is the worldly life except the enjoyment of delusion.” [Q57:20] I will return to the main topic. (iii) Shaykh Ibn Kathir (rahima-ullah) interpreted this verse in context of Ahadith about Bani Adam, here. This establishes the context in which Ayah is FRAMED in is inclusive of all Bani Adam; hence it is addressing believers and disbelievers alike. 10.1 – Surah Takaathur (102) Is Upon All-Inclusive Generality: (i) There is general consensus amongst Muslim scholarship on basis of clear texts in Quran/Sunnah; Muslims, non-Muslims will be questioned about deeds and mercies which Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) bestowed upon Bani Adam. The position you have taken in regards to Ayah; then you will surely be asked that Day about pleasure; was revealed in context of Mushrikeen (hence it is specific to Mushrikeen) contradicts agreed upon understanding of Muslim scholarship. Your understanding limits questioning about pleasures/bounties to Mushrikeen and prophetic statement only adds Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) as another exception; who out of all the Muslims alone will be questioned. Therefore it is essential to point out; your restriction and understanding of Surah in general and Ayah in specific is an evil/rejected innovation. (ii) Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) applied upon his companion Ayah; then you will surely be asked that Day about pleasure; which is inclusive Muslims and his VERY act is evidence that this Ayah is inclusive of Muslims. (iii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “So on that Day no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to (what is) his sin.” [Ref: Q55:39] It will be so because all deeds are recorded and known to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). In another Ayah Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “So by your Lord, We will surely question them all; about what they used to do.” [Ref: Q15:92/93] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) will question all including Muslims to determine their INTENTIONS in doing things and out of His mercy He will accept less than acceptable deeds of Muslims on basis of good INTENTION of believer and He grant us paradise as reward for those deeds: “And that is Paradise which you are made to inherit for what you used to do.” [Ref:Q43:72] 11.0 - Explaining Ibn Umar’s Statement About Khawarij: (i) Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) said: "And the statement of Allah: 'Allah will not mislead a people after He has guided them, until He makes clear to them what to avoid.' (9:115) And Ibn Umar used to consider them (the Khawarij and the Mulhidun) the worst of Allah's creatures and said: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” [Ref: Bukhari, Book 88, Chapter6: Killing al-Khawarij and Mulhideen, here, scribd here.] (ii) Khawarij declared Muslims as Mushrikeen and wanted Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu) to divide the loot and Muslim captives of war between Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu) and Amir Muawiyah (radiallah ta’ala anhu), including Muslim women. They applied the injunctions of verses revealed in regards to Mushrikeen while arguing for war loot and after his refusal; and later when Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu) accepted arbitration they applied verses of judgment is for Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) upon Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu); than declared him and companions as Mushrikeen. Their charge of Shirk was based on grounds that Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is al-Hakim alone and judgment is His right; Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu) and companions accepted a human (i.e. Abu Musa al-Ashari radiallah ta’ala anhu) as judge instead of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and accepted his judgment. These are the historical events on which statement of Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) is built upon. (iii) Once again Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) said: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” This statement means; Khawarij applied verses upon Muslims which were revealed in regards to Mushrikeen as IF these verses were describing CREED; and as IF injunctions such verses applied to Muslims. 11.1 - Prophetic Methodology OF Applying Verses Upon Muslims And Khariji Applications: (i) Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) did not apply a verse, or component of a verse upon a Muslim which was ABSOLUTELY unique to Mushrikeen. Instead he applied verse with behavioural component in one (i.e. argumentative nature of human), questioning about deeds component of another upon his companion; these are components which relevant to Muslims as well as Mushrikeen. Third verse about Dhat al-Anwat once against draws parallel between behaviour of his companions with companions of Prophet Musa (alayhis salaam). The Hadith in entirety only discourages emulating ways of Mushrikeen like we have been prohibited to emulate ways of Jews and Christians. In none of these applications Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) applied direct, clear, emphatic injunction/Hukm of verses or ascribed BELIEFS of Mushrikeen in these verses to his companions. (ii) Khawarij applied rulings of Mushrikeen verses upon Muslims and applied other verses as IF they are describing, indicating BELIEFS of Muslims. (iii) This comparison demonstrates Khawarij were not upon methodology of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and methodology which you the Wahhabis employ is in line with Kharijism hence Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) was justified in his statement: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” [Ref: Bukhari, Book 88, Chapter6: Killing al-Khawarij and Mulhideen, here, scribd here.] 12.0 - What Your Evidence Of Three Ahadith Refuted And What It Failed To Refute: (i) You said: “This has refuted your argument; verses about disbelievers cannot be applied to Muslims and doing so is sign/methodology of Khawarij.” First I will contextualize your statement. (ii) In response to my repeated charge; you’re upon Khariji methodology because as Wahhabi you are applying verses revealed in regards to Mushrikeen upon Muslims; you presented three Ahadith as evidence. (iii) What you attempted to REFUTE was literalist reading of Ibn Umar’s (radiallah ta’ala anhu) statement: “These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” As well as of mine: “Evidence has established by applying verses revealed in regards to polytheists upon Muslims you’re upon the methodology of Khawarij and not Muslims.” Now IF literalism of his statement and my statement were intended than you REFUTED Abdullah Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) and a peasant like me. Disproving me is not an achievement but a companion that you have to write in your heretical resume. (iii) In section 11.0 I have historically contextualized statement of Abdullah Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu). This context reveals Abdullah Ibn Umar’s (radiallah ta’ala anhu) words are not upon literal apparent meanings but actually mean: Khawarij took some verses that had been revealed concerning the Mushrikeen and applied them upon Muslims as IF verses were describing creed; and IF injunctions of such verses applied to Muslims. (iv) Your literal understanding of Abdullah Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) statement had you say this STUPIDITY in response to my questions: “(i) Khawarij were on prophetic methodology but their applications were erroneous. (ii) Ibn Umar’s judgment against methodology of Khawarij is against the Sunnah hence it is rejected.” What you indirectly said is; a man who lived in Madinah, interacted with Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) years and his companions did not understand methodology of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam); but bunch of camel raping Kharijis in Najd had better understanding of prophetic methodology. You gave vote of your confidence to Khawarij regarding whom Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) a man from amongst the BEST OF NATION said are WORST OF CREATION. (v) What you FAILED to REFUTE was issue of substance and at the very LEAST you did not REFUTE Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) assessment about Khariji methodology. (iv) What remains to be seen is IF you refuted MY assertion that Wahhabism and by extension you are upon Khariji methodology. 12.1 - Kharijism And Wahhabism - Evidence OF Similarity In Methodology And Practice: (i) Khawarij did not object to Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu) accepting an arbiter between himself and Muawiyah (radiallah ta’ala anhu). They charged companions of Shirk only AFTER Ali (radiallah ta’ala anhu) accepted the verdict of arbiter. They did not judge them Mushrik because an Arbiter/arbiter was accepted beside Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) but accused the companions of Shirk after they accepted arbiter’s judgement. In other words they did not judge Shirk on basis of BELIEF but judged Shirk on basis of judgment. This is no different FROM Wahhabism. You Wahhabis accuse Muslims of Shirk because YOU SAY they are worshipping others beside Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). You do not accuse Muslims of Shirk because they ascribe to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) an Ilah/Ma’bud but you judge it upon Ibadah/worship. In other words both Kharijis and Wahhabis do not judge Shirk on basis of something that comes FIRST but something that comes AFTER. CREED comes FIRST. It is principle BELIEF is BEFORE an ACTION: BELIEF in Al-Ilahiyyah before Ibadah and BELIEF in al-Hakimiyyah before Hukm. IF you both judged on basis of what comes FIRST Kharijis would not have charged companion of major Shirk AFTER judgment but would have done so long BEFORE: You Wahhabis would not WAIT to judge us Muslims as Mushrikeen on charge that your certain action entails worship hence you’re guilty of Shirk but instead you would do so long BEFORE the alleged Ibadah materialized. (ii) With regard to verses you have applied upon us Muslims … Khawarij applied the verses revealed in regards to Mushrikeen to negate Tawheed of companions. I can only make assumption based on little information known to me. There logic MAY have something like FOLLOWING: You appointed a judge than accepted his judgment against teaching of Quran/Sunnah. Only Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is the Judge (al-Hakim) and judgement is ONLY OF Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). You ascribed right of judgment to a creation and committed Shirk because Allah says … In simple words Khawarij invented a BOGUS BELIEF based on ACTION OF COMPANIONS (i.e. appointing a judge between warring parties and accepting his judgment) than based on theorized belief of companions Khawarij APPLIED VERSE REVEALED IN REGARDS TO MUSHRIKEEN UPON THE COMPANIONS to give charge of Shirk a FOUNDATION. And when this is evident than how are you Wahhabis any different from Khawarij? Do you not ascribe to us assumptions YOU have made about our CREED and INTENTIONS than apply upon us verses REVEALED IN REGARDS TO MUSHRIKEEN to give your TAKFIR a JUSTIFICATION? You’re no different FROM Khawarij in methodology and in practice. (iii) Your possible counter argument [you supplicate to deceased, supplication is worship, you’re Mushrik, hence our usage of such verses is justified] in attempt to make distinction between your own practice and Khawarij has already been addressed [in Sunni 6th Mail, sections 2.0/2.3] comprehensively. Here I will state: For any call to be Dua/Supplication in Shar’ri sense it must be directed to one BELIEVED as an ILAH/MA’BUD and INTENTION also MUST BE OF WORSHIP. When these two essential components of WORSHIP are absent no worship materializes and these TWO are absent FROM our request of HELP. Hence no worship materializes. These FACTS void any and every EVIDENCE you employ against us Muslims and demonstrates your application of Mushrikeen verses upon Muslims are without justification. (iv) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden (to be killed), except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty. Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated - Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” [Ref: Q25:68/70] 13.0 – Supporting Your Saying, Khawarij Were Unjustified In Their Ayah Applications: (i) You wrote: “Qur’anic evidence Ahl ul-Sunnah use to prove Istighathah is Shirk is justified because your actions are of Shirk and Kufr. Hadith you used clearly indicate Khawarij were in wrong and unjustly extrapolated rulings upon companions.” I will only address the underlined in the following segments. (ii) You did not state why Khawarij were unjustified in their application of verses upon companions so I will. This will demonstrate a similar pattern in their methodology and your methodology which I will conclude with at the end. 13.1 - Fight Them Until There Is No Fitnah, Explained By, And Fight Against Polytheists: Khawarij believed FIGHTING companions was permissible because Khawarij deemed teaching of companions a FITNA in comparison to their own teachings and they based their understanding on Ayah: “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah, and the religion will be all for Allah Alone.” [Ref: Q2:193] The ambiguity about whom the instruction is about is removed in another Ayah: “And fight against the polytheists collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous (who fear Him).” [Ref: Q9:36] Companion understood that instruction to FIGHT is in regards to POLYTHEISTS and this is why companion said to Khariji: “We fought them (the Mushrikeen of Arabia) until they were defeated and the religion was all for Allah Alone. If you wish …” [Ref: Ibn Majah, B36, H3930, here.] 13.2 – For Wrong-Doers No Helpers, Explained By, Themselves Created Can Give No Help: (i) Khawarij held misguided notion ALL residents of HELL including MUSLIMS will have no one to HELP them to come out of HELL. To give credence to their understanding they employed Ayah: “Our Lord, indeed whoever You admit to the Fire - You have disgraced him, and for the wrongdoers there are no helpers.” [Ref: Q3:192] Who are the TRANSGRESSORS without HELPERS in court of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala)? Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Do they attribute as partners to Allah those who created nothing but they themselves are created (as idols)? No help can they (the created idols) give them (the polytheists), nor can they help themselves.” [Ref: Q7:191/192] These Ayaat establish Mushrikeen have no one to help them not even their idol-gods. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says in following Ayah those who ascribe to Him idol-god partners have NO HELPERS: “Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him paradise, and his refuge is the fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.” [Ref: Q5:72] These Ayaat demonstrate Mushrikeen have NO HELPERS to help them in this earthly life against command of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and same will be true on judgment day. Hence the Ayah means: “Our Lord, indeed whoever You admit to the Fire - You have disgraced him, and for the wrongdoers [the polytheists] there are no helpers.” [Ref: Q3:192] (ii) Another way to remove ambiguity in the verse and demonstrate this verse is not about Muslims is; we establish evidence Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and others have been granted right of intercession to help SINFUL MUSLIMS out of FIRE. 13.3 - They Will Be Returned To It, Explained By Verses, Mushrikeen Denying Resurrection: (i) As Hadith indicates Khawarij ascribed to notion ALL residents of hell including Muslims who committed major sins [despite knowing prohibitions regarding them] will not be allowed to exit hell and they based this understanding on Ayah: “But as for those who defiantly disobeyed, their refuge is the Fire. Every time they wish to emerge from it, they will be returned to it while it is said to them, "Taste the punishment of the Fire which you used to deny." [Ref: Q32:20] What they misunderstood is that this Ayah is about those who denied day resurrection and judgment day as underlined part of Ayah indicates. Question arises who are the people in language of Quran who denied resurrection? (ii) “And the eminent among his people who disbelieved and denied the meeting of the Hereafter while We had given them luxury in the worldly life said; This is not but a man like yourselves. He eats of that from which you eat and drinks of what you drink. And if you should obey a man like yourselves, indeed, you would then be losers. This is not but a man like yourselves. He eats of that from which you eat and drinks of what you drink. And if you should obey a man like yourselves, indeed, you would then be losers. Does he promise you that when you have died and become dust and bones that you will be brought forth (once more)? How far, how far, is that which you are promised. Life is not but our worldly life - we die and live, but we will not be resurrected.” [Ref: Q23:33/38] (iii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And when Luqman said to his son while he was instructing him, "O my son, do not associate (anything) with Allah. Indeed, association (of a partner with Allah) is great Zhulm (injustice)." [Ref: Q31:13] Shirk in language of Quran is the greatest act of transgression and injustice. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says those who committed Shirk, and idol-gods they worship instead of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) gather them all and send them to hell: “They will say, "O woe to us! This is the Day of Recompense. (They will be told), "This is the Day of Judgement which you used to deny. (The angels will be ordered) "Gather those who committed Zhulm (transgression of Shirk), their kinds, and what they used to worship other than Allah, and guide them to the path of Hell-Fire.” [Ref: Q37:20/23] This Ayah also demonstrates that it was Mushrikeen who denied resurrection and by default judgment day. (iv) It is worth mentioning here that Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab al-Najdi also accused Muslims of DENYING resurrection and judgment day: “It is known that the people of our land (Najd) and the land of the Hijaz, those who deny the resurrection are more than those who affirm it, and those who know the religion are less than those who do not know it, and those who waste prayers are more than those who preserve them, and those who withhold zakat are more than those who pay them, if you are right …” [Ref: al-Durar al-Saniyyah 10/43, here.] Where did the notion emerge from that Muslims of Arabia denied resurrection and judgment day? Early Khawarij employed portion of Ayah to justify their understanding, residents of hell will not leave it ever, and Shaykh al-Najd leader of latter Khawarij ignored that portion verse but employed portion that followed it to justify his charge; Muslims of Najd and Hijaz do not believe in resurrection day. 13.4 - Conclusion - Khariji Methodology, Why They Were Unjustified In Their Applications: (i) Evidence in previous three portions of discussion has demonstrated that Khawarij indeed took advantage of ambiguity FOUND IN SOME VERSES OF QURAN and applied them upon all, including Muslims. (ii) This evidence gives credence and support to FOLLOWING statement of Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) recorded in Bukhari: "And the statement of Allah: 'Allah will not mislead a people after He has guided them, until He makes clear to them what to avoid.' (9:115) And Ibn Umar used to consider them (the Khawarij and the Mulhidun) the worst of Allah's creatures and said: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” [Ref: Bukhari, Book 88, Chapter6: Killing al-Khawarij and Mulhideen, here, scribd here.] (iii) This begs the question: How can you maintain your claim that Khawarij held to prophetic methodology in application of verses of Quran when evidence has established Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) did not use any verse revealed in relation to Mushrikeen to describe, or drew parallel between his COMPANIONS and POLYTHEISTIC BELIEF, or a KUFRI PRACTICE OF MUSHRIKEEN. (iv) Evidence has established on contrary to prophetic methodology the early Khawarij and their latter branch, what is known today as Wahhabism/Salafism, do exactly the opposite of prophetic methodology; apply true meaning of polytheistic verses upon Muslims to establish Shirk and justify Shar’ri rulings that only apply to disbelievers and polytheists. 14.0 - Is The La Ilaha il-Allah OF Muslims Consequential Or Meaningless: You wrote: “Your attestation to, La Ilaha il-Allah is inconsequential until you leave Shirk in your creed and practice. You have not FALSIFIED Salafiyyah and we’re not LIARS.” (i) Our la ilaha il-Allah can only be inconsequential IF we Muslims believed there is another Ilah/Ma’bud beside Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and we engaged in ACTIONS OF WORSHIP with INTENTION TO WORSHIP to please, or to earn favour with that appointed Ma’bud/Ilah. Without establishing these essential elements of IBADAH as our BELIEF and INTENTION; any and every assumption you have made about our actions is BATIL/invalid; and every judgment of Shirk, issuance of legality over spilling our blood, property are invalid. Due to your INVALID charges the Ahadith apply to Wahhabis. (ii) “Hudhayfah reported that the Messenger of Allah said: The most I fear on you is a man who will recite the Quran and he becomes a supporter to Islam. He will change it to what Allah permits and will. Upon that the man becomes detached from it and he throws it behind his back. And starts to fight his neighbour and he accuses him with Shirk. I (Hudhaifah) said: ‘O Prophet of Allah! Who amongst them both deserve to be called a Mushrik? The accused or the accuser?’ He replied: ‘The accuser!’" [Ref: Ibn Hibban, Tehqeeq Nasir al-Din al-Bani, Vol1, Page200, H81, here.] Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said Khariji who accuses Muslim of Shirk will be guilty of Shirk and your charges of Shirk return to you. Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) said: “From Ubayd Allah Ibn Umar, from Nafi: A man said to Ibn Umar: ‘I have a neighbour who bears witness against me that I commit shirk.’ He replied: ‘Say: 'La Ilaha ill Allah,' you will make him a liar.’" [Ref: Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari, Page 373, by Imam Ibn Asakir] Wahhabi charge of Shirk is without valid ground hence la ilaha il-Allah of Muslims establishes you and your Wahhabi types are LIARS. (iii) Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: “It was narrated from Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight the people until they say: La ilaha illallah. If they say: La ilaha illallah, then their blood and wealth are protected from me, except for a right that is due from it, and their reckoning will be with Allah.” [Ref: Ibn Majah, B36, H3928, here.] He said the reckoning of one who says la ilaha il-Allah is with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) because AFFIRMATION OF IT MAY BE SINCERE/INSINCERE and condition is unknown man. DESPITE the uncertainty Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) indicated that la ilaha il-Allah once pronounced is CONSEQUENTIAL enough that person be treated as a Muslim. (iv) In is recorded in Ahadith that a Muslim attacked a polytheist during a raid and the Mushrik professed la ilaha il-Allah but the Muslim man despite this killed him. The news reached Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and this angered him leading the Muslim to regret his actions – he wished he had not converted to Islam until after this incident. Following Hadith continues and tells what happened to that Muslim after he died: “It was narrated from Sumait, from ‘Imran bin Husain who said: “The Messenger of Allah sent us on a campaign, and a Muslim man attacked an idolater man.” And he mentioned the Hadith and added: “And the earth cast him out. The Prophet was told about that and he said: ‘The earth accepts those who are worse than him, but Allah wanted to show you how great is the sanctity of La ilaha illallah.’” [Ref: Ibn Majah, B36, H3930, here.] These are consequences for one who assigned no value to la ilaha il-Allah. 15.0 – Your Claim Mushrikeen Invented Their Gods Can Harm To Scare Prophet: You said: “You quoted the Ayah: “Is not Allah enough ….” [Ref: Q39:36] All you had to do was to read two verses more and your lie would’ve been undone: “And whomsoever Allah guides, for..." (39:37-38) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) silenced polytheists by the way of REFUTATION. These verses are revealing polytheists did not give supernatural powers to their gods. They invented their gods can harm for THE situation to scare Prophet (pbuh) but they did not really hold to this belief. Surah Hud verse 54 is not your evidence. It is about Prophet Hud (pbuh) and his nation so naturally this is what his nation believed and they said to Prophet Hud (pbuh).” You really have no sense of TAFSIR. 15.1 - Explanation OF Surah Zumr (39) Verses 36 To 38: First two explanations are relevant but consider them as extra read but third one will answer your point. (i) Following verse leads to conclusion; Ilahs Mushrikeen worshiped cannot PREVENT Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) FROM benefitting, or harming anyone: “Say: Then have you considered what you invoke besides Allah? If Allah intended me harm, are they removers of His harm; or if He intended me mercy, are they withholders of His mercy?” Hence IF the Ilahs Mushrikeen worship/invoke could INFLICT some sort of PUNISHMENT, and Mushrikeen invoked them to HARM Muslims, Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) would not allow His servants to be harmed because Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is THE OWNER of retribution: “Is not Allah Exalted in Might and Owner of Retribution?” [Ref: Q39:37] There is none above Him in authority to cancel His command in Islam and even to polytheistic Arabs there was no Ilah above: “Is not Allah enough for his Servant?” Allah is SUFFICIENT Ilah for His servants. (ii) We Muslim are content with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) hence we believe in Him as One and Only Ilah/Rabb. Mushrikeen FIND their Ilahs lacking hence they have multiple Ilahs they invoke/worship to compensate and even these MULTIPLE ILAHS are not SUFFICIENT FOR THEM hence they believe in Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) as master over all their Ilahs: “Here I am at Thy service, there is no associate with Thee.” The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Woe be upon them, as they also said: “But one associate with Thee, you possess mastery over him, but he does not possess mastery (over you).” They used to say this and circumnavigate the Ka'ba.”[Ref: Muslim, B7, H2671] (iii) Mushrikeen must have threatened/warned the Muslims and Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) their gods will harm them IF they continue to SAY … so Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) revealed the Ayah: “Is not Allah enough for his Servant? But they try to frighten thee with other besides Him! For such as Allah leaves to stray, there can be no guide.” [Ref: Q39:36] In the next Ayah Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) states: “And whoever Allah guides - for him there is no misleader. Is not Allah Exalted in Might and Owner of Retribution?” [Ref: Q39:37] In BOTH these Ayaat there is a QUESTION being asked and to facilitate the answer Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) expounds in a dialogue FORM what ask, what the Mushrikeen would say, and the conclusion it would lead to: “And if you asked them: Who created the heavens and the earth? They would surely say: Allah. Say: Then have you considered what you invoke besides Allah? If Allah intended me harm, are they removers of His harm; or if He intended me mercy, are they withholders of His mercy? Say: Sufficient for me is Allah; upon Him (alone) rely the (wise) reliers." [Ref: Q39:38] The Ayah is establishing; harm, retribution, benefit, mercy are all in command of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala😞 and what the Mushrikeen ascribe to Him as partners cannot prevent any IF He intends some for His SERVANTS because He is ENOUGH AS Lord/Ilah. As Allah is SUFFICIENT He does not need others to be His partners to manage any affair in His creation including inflicting retribution. 15.32- Your Inability To Understand What Was Happening In The Verses: You wrote: “Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) silenced polytheists by the way of REFUTATION. These verses are revealing polytheists did not give supernatural powers to their gods. They invented their gods can harm for THE situation to scare Prophet (pbuh) but they did not really hold to this belief.” Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) silenced the Mushrikeen not because they did not believe their Ilahs could INFLICT TORMENT but He silenced them using their own BELIEFS against them and with sound arguments against their BELIEF. You FAILED to understand a REFUTATION does not mean one being REFUTED did not hold the REFUTED BELIEF. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) REFUTED MUSHRIKEEN but He did not ESTABLISH Mushrikeen invented a BELIEF out of thin air to scare Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). I have NO IDEA how you managed to deduce this conclusion. 15.3 - Responding To -: Surah Hud (11) Verse 54 Records About Prophet Hud And His Nation: (i) You wrote: “Surah Hud verse 54 is not your evidence. It is about Prophet Hud (pbuh) and his nation so naturally this is what his nation believed and they said to Prophet Hud (pbuh).” You’re absolutely correct in your observation that FOLLOWING Ayah is in context of what Prophet Hud (alayhis salam) said and how prominent members his nation responded: "We say nothing but that (perhaps) some of our gods may have seized thee with imbecility. “He said: "I call Allah to witness, and do ye bear witness, that I am free from the sin of ascribing, to Him." [Ref: Q11:54] I had very good reason and justification to employ it as my evidence. I will explain. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “So do not be in doubt (O Muhammad), as to what these (polytheists) are worshipping. They worship not except as their fathers worshipped before. And indeed, We will give them their share undiminished.” [Ref: Q11:109] This Ayah establishes Mushrikeen in time of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) worshipped what their ancestors worshipped. IF word ANCESTORS/FATHERS is inclusive all the Arab tribes before ISLAM than the Ayah is my VALID evidence because this would insinuate Arabs of all ages worshipped same idols with same theological beliefs. On other hand IF the word ANCESTORS cannot be stretched to INCLUDE nation of Aad as ANCESTORS of Arabs which Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) encountered than I WAS WRONG in using it as evidence. I will leave this judgment on you and the readers. What is undeniable is FOLLOWING verse is my evidence: “Is not Allah enough for his Servant? But they try to frighten thee with other besides Him! For such as Allah leaves to stray, there can be no guide.” Salafi 10th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: You have written a lot but I will not engage in vein talk and instead I will keep it to the point. Quote 1: “This begs the question: How can you maintain your claim that Khawarij held to prophetic methodology in application of verses of Quran when evidence has established Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) did not use any verse revealed in relation to Mushrikeen to describe, or drew parallel between his COMPANIONS and POLYTHEISTIC BELIEF, or a KUFRI PRACTICE OF MUSHRIKEEN.” Hadith: “Abu Waqid Al-Laithi narrated that when the Messenger of Allah went out to Hunain he passed a tree that the idolaters called Dhat Anwat upon which they hung their weapons. They (the Companions) said: "O Messenger of Allah! Make a Dhat Anwat for us as they have a Dhat Anwat.' The Prophet said: "Subhan Allah! This is like what Musa's people said: Make for us a god like their gods. By the One in Whose is my soul! You shall follow the way of those who were before you." [Ref: Tirmadhi, Book 7, Hadith 2180, here.] You can choose to close your eyes to pretend evidence supporting my stance hasn’t been provided. Quote 2: “Our la ilaha il-Allah can only be inconsequential IF we Muslims believed there is another Ilah/Ma’bud beside Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and we engaged in ACTIONS OF WORSHIP with INTENTION TO WORSHIP to please, or to earn favour with that appointed Ma’bud/Ilah.” You’re living a delusion IF you believe one has to believe in a god other than Allah while invoking a creation to be guilty of Shirk. Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said supplication is worship and he did not say supplication to a DEITY is worship: “Narrated An-Nu'man Ibn Bashir: The Prophet said: Supplication (Dua) is itself the worship. (He then recited) "And your Lord said: Call on Me, I will answer you." (40:60).” (Abu Dawud, Hadith 1474) You people invoke others beside Allah and it amounts to worship of others beside Allah. Worship of anyone other than Allah is Shirk hence your claim to la ilaha il-Allah is invalid. Your response mainly dealt with two subjects: (i) Salafis are upon Khariji methodology and I have disproved that. (ii) Sufis are not guilty of Shirk because these conditions have not been met and in refutation have demonstrated practitioners of Istighathah have met condition of Shirk according to prophetic statement. Nothing else needs to be added. I have made mistakes in other matters which I will not be listing here as evidence against such mistakes is quoted by you. Sunni 10th Mail Salam Alaykum: I believe my earlier response has done justice to contents of your 10th Mail. It would be better for me to focus my energy to address contents of your 6th Mail. Salafi 11th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: I hope you are well. I am writing to follow up regarding the refutation that was promised by you. As some time has passed, I wanted to inquire whether it is still coming and, if so, whether you could provide an approximate timeframe for when it may be shared. If you have changed your mind, or circumstances are hindering, and the refutation will not be issued, I would appreciate clarification so we are clear about what is to come. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to your response. Sunni 11th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: It is impossible to promise any time frame regarding how long it will to complete writing this refutation but I will deliver the goods when ready. Also I will publish all the exchanges plus response to your 6th mail on FORUM once the response is completed and will share the link with you. Salafi 12th Mail As-Salaamu Alaykum: Why would you do that than and why not now? Sunni 12th Mail Wa Alaykum Salam: This is a my response to contents of your 6th Mail. 1.0 - Supplication Is Worship Explained By Supplication Is Essence OF Worship: Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: “Narrated An-Nu'man Ibn Bashir: The Prophet said: Supplication (Dua) is itself the worship. (He then recited) "And your Lord said: Call on Me, I will answer you." (40:60).” [Ref: Abu Dawud, B8, H1474, here.] The meaning of Hadith, Dua is Ibadah is similar same as prophetic statement: “Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Ya'mar: That the Messenger of Allah said: "The Hajj is 'Arafat, the Hajj is 'Arafat, the Hajj is 'Arafat. The days of Mina are three: But whoever...'” [Ref: Tirmadhi, B44, H2975, here.] Just as stay at Arafat is cornerstone of Hajj without which there is no Hajj; the essence of, core of all acts of worship requiring physical is Dua. This meaning is also attested to by another version of above quoted Hadith: “The supplication is the essence of worship.” [Ref: Tirmadhi, B45, H3371, here.] This interpretation does not negate literal understanding of Hadith but only adds another layer of meaning to it. 1.1 - Types OF Dua, The Evidences For Each, And Way To Distinguish Between Them: (i) I quote your words: “Istighathah at its core is Dua/Supplication. Prophet (pbuh) said Dua is worship: “Narrated An-Nu'man Ibn Bashir: The Prophet said: Supplication is itself the worship. […] (Abu Dawud, Hadith 1474) Allah says …” You quoted Hadith Dua is worship: “Narrated An-Nu'man Ibn Bashir: The Prophet said: Supplication (Dua) is itself the worship. (He then recited) "And your Lord said: Call on Me, I will answer you." (40:60).” [Ref: Abu Dawud, B8, H1474, here.] In your haste and burning desire to establish Istighathah is Shirk and to declare Muslims worst type of Mushrikeen … you did not take into account; different types of Dua, their evidences, how to distinguish each, nor you specified which Dua type is Istighathah and why you hold this view. (ii) There are two types of Dua/requests: (a) Lughvi, (b) Shar’ee. Word Dua has been used twice in Ayah: “Do not make calling/call of the Messenger (Dua ar-Rasooli) among yourselves as the call (Dua) of one of you to another. Already Allah knows those of you who slip away, concealed by others. So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet's order, lest Fitnah strike them or a painful punishment.” [Ref: Q24:63] According to one interpretation words Dua have been used in Lughvi (i.e. linguistic) meaning and Shar’ee according to another. I quote Shaykh Ibn Kathir (rahimullah😞 (a) "Make not the calling of the Messenger among you as your calling one of another.” When you address him, do not say: `O Muhammad,' or `O son of `Abdullah'; rather honor him and say, `O Prophet of Allah,' or, `O Messenger of Allah.' (b) “Make not the calling of the Messenger among you as your calling one of another." A second view concerning the meaning of the Ayah is that it means `do not think that if he prays against you it is like when anyone else prays against you, because his prayers will be answered; so beware lest he prays against you and you will be doomed.' Ibn Abi Hatim recorded this from Ibn `Abbas, Al-Hasan Al-Basri and `Atiyyah Al-`Awfi. And Allah knows best." [Ref: Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Q24:63, here.] From this evidence it is evident in Lughvi (linguistic) usage word Dua does not warrant worship hence prophetic statement, Dua is itself the worship, cannot be about Lughvi Dua. This also establishes every Dua is not worship. (iii) In Shar’ee usage word Dua is used to mean supplication which warrants worship and Shar’ee Dua is always directed to an ILAH, Ma’bud, deity, a being who is believed as deserver of, worthy of being worshipped. (iv) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) prohibited us to direct our supplications/invocations to Ilahs other than Him: “So do not invoke with Allah another Ilah (deity) and (thus) be among the punished.” [Ref: Q26:213] “And do not invoke with Allah another Ilah (deity). There is no deity except Him. Everything will be destroyed except His Face. His is the judgement, and to Him you will be returned.” [Ref: Q28:88] In another Ayah it is recorded: “And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him any Ilah (deity). We would have certainly spoken then an excessive transgression.” [Ref: Q18:14] In this Ayah the believers said we will never INVOKE/SUPPLICATE to any Ilah. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden (to be killed), except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty. Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated - Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” [Ref: Q25:68/70] Why did Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) prohibit invoking another Ilahs in two verses, in third a group said we will never invoke Ilahs except Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala), and in fourth Ayah Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) informs how he will shower His mercy upon one who has not invoked an Ilah with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala)? INVOCATION when it is DIRECTED to an Ilah; be they perceived; or the One and the Only Ilah warrants worship. (v) There are many verses in where Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) connected His Ilahiyyah to instruction to worship Him (through supplication/invocation😞 “That is Allah, your Lord; there is no Ilah/Ma’bud (deity) except Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is Disposer of all things.” [Ref: Q6:102] “And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me." [Ref: Q21:25] “And to the Aad (We sent) their brother Hud. He said, "O my people, worship Allah; you have no Ilah (deity) other than Him. Then will you not fear Him?" [Ref: Q7:65] “Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.” [Ref: Q20:14] “And to the Thamud (We sent) their brother Salih. He said, "O my people, worship Allah; you have no Ilah (deity) other than Him. There has come to you clear evidence from your Lord. This is the …” [Ref: Q7:73] It establishes worship is connected with an Ilah hence the emphasis on there is no Ilah except Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) followed by instruction to worship Him alone (through supplications and invocations). (vi) In Hadith Dua is Ibadah Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) quoted Ayah: “The Prophet said: Supplication (Dua) is itself the worship. (He then recited) "And your Lord said: Call on Me, I will answer you." (40:60).” [Ref: Abu Dawud, B8, H1474, here.] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is instructing those who believe in Him as their One, the Only Ilah and Rabb to call, to request, to plead, to invoke Him because Ibadah is His right. This Ayah provides context in where a Dua is worship and reveals the true meaning of the prophetic statement: “Supplication (directed to an Ilah) is itself the worship.” (vii) Conclusion: A request directed to a creation; in the context of Quran and TAFSIR Ibn Kathir (i.e. to Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam); is not worship. Why? The called is creation and caller believes called is a creation and Messenger sent by Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Dua, call, request, supplication, invocation directed to one believed to be an Ilah by Dua maker amounts to worship. I and Muslims believe in Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) as the One, the Only; Christian believes in Jesus/Father; Hindu believes in Rama, Sita, Krishna; Mushrikeen of believed Lat, Uzza, Manat, Wadd, Suwa, and countless others as Ilahs; all direct our supplications to real or perceived Ilah as acts of devotion, request of help/need hence Dua amounts to worship. 1.2 - Detailed Explanation OF Q13:14 - Its Connected With Gods OF Mushrikeen: (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication. And those they call upon other than Him (i.e. min dunihi) do not respond to them with a thing, except as ...” [Ref:Q13:14] Inability to respond is inclusive of meaning; inability to provide any type of help to one calling other-than-Him and these are gods/deities which Mushrikeen worshipped: “… they eat. And for them therein are (other) benefits and drinks, so will they not be grateful? But they have taken besides Allah Aalihat (deities) that perhaps they would be helped. They are not able to help them, and they (themselves) are for them soldiers in attendance.” [Ref: Q36: 71/75] (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication. And those they call upon other than Him (i.e. min dunihi) do not respond to them with a thing, except as ...” [Ref:Q13:14] Theme continues in another verse: “Is not He (better than your gods) who responds to the distressed one, when he calls on Him, and Who removes the evil, and makes you inheritors of the earth, generations after generations? Is there any Ilah (god) with Allah? Little is that you remember!” [Ref: Q: 27:62] (iii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication. And those they call upon other than Him (i.e. min dunihi) do not respond to them with a thing, except as ...” [Ref:Q13:14] The inability of other-than-Him (idols) will not remain as it is on earth as the following verse indicates: “You invite me to disbelieve in Allah and to join partners with Him … No doubt you call me to (worship) one who cannot grant my request (or respond to my invocation) in this world or in the Hereafter.” [Ref: Q40: 42/43] “And do not disgrace me on the Day they are (all) resurrected - The day when there will not benefit (anyone) wealth or children. But only one who comes to Allah with a sound heart. And paradise will be brought near (on that day) to the righteous. And hellfire will be brought forth for the deviators. And it will be said to them: Where are those you used to worship other than Allah? Can they help you or help themselves?" [Ref: Q26:88/93] “And (warn of) the Day when He will say: ‘Call my partners whom you claimed.’ And they will invoke them but they will not respond to them. And We will put between them (a valley of) destruction.” [Ref: Q18:52] In a verse about servants of Allah which were elevated to status of Ilahs/gods instead of providing help to Mushrikeen will reject the notion they claimed Ilahiyyah and demanded worship: “And they have taken Alihah (gods) besides Allah, that they might give them honour, power and glory. Nay, but they (the so-called gods) will deny their worship of them, and become opponents to them (on the Day of Resurrection).“ [Ref: Q19:81/82] (iv) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And those they call upon other than Him do not respond to them with a thing, except as one who stretches his hands toward water to reach his mouth, but it will not reach it (thus).” [Ref:Q13:14] Why the Mushrikeen invoke other-than-Him is revealed here: “And for them therein are (other) benefits and drinks, so will they not be grateful? But they have taken besides Allah Aalihat (deities) that perhaps they would be helped. They are not able to help them, and they (themselves) are for them soldiers in attendance.” [Ref: Q36: 73/75] Why other-than-Him cannot respond to a thing is revealed in another Ayah: “Indeed, those you (polytheists) call upon besides Allah are servants like you. So call upon them and let them respond to you, if you should be truthful. Have they feet wherewith they walk? Or have they hands wherewith they hold? Or have they eyes wherewith they see? Or have they ears wherewith they hear? Say: "Call your (so-called) partners (of Allah) and then plot against me, and give me no respite! “ [Ref: Q7:195] None of the ones whom the Mushrikeen call to help are able to hear, see, walk, talk or have any sign of LIFE which will enable them to provide HELP. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) further reveals in another Ayah: “Yet have they taken mindu’nillah (other-than-Allah) GODS that can create nothing but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can they control death nor life nor resurrection.“ [Ref: Q25:3] 1.3 - Words Other-Than-Him Are Technical Jargon Referring To Other-Gods: (i) You wrote: “Allah says: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication.” (Quran:13:14) It means invocation is only right of Allah not for other than Allah because it is worship.” In verse Q13:14 Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) uses words MIN DUNIHI and commonly they are translated to other than Him, or Besides Him: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication. And those they call upon other than Him (i.e. min dunihi) do not respond to them with a thing, except as one who stretches his hands toward water to reach his mouth, but it will not reach it (thus). And the supplication of the disbelievers is not but in error.” [Ref:Q13:14] Khawarij take these words in literal meaning hence anyone and everyone is OTHER-THAN-HIM. in contrast Muslims consider this usage in technical jargon sense and as referring to specific type and not as all inclusive anyone and everyone. Question: Why are Khawarij wrong and how you are right? (ii) I will explain with an example. Quran uses expression Ahlul Kitab (people of book). Take note that words people of book is all inclusive yet our understanding is these words refer to specific type of people. Linguistically anyone who has a book and can read/write is person of book and IF a group of people have access to books and can read/write than they are people of book. On this basis can we consider ATHEISTS as AHLUL KITAB mentioned in Qur’an? No! The words may denote other meanings but in Qur’an they are used as technical jargon and are specific referrence to Jews and Christians. Similarly words min dunihi (other than Him) may be all inclusive but in Qur’anic jargon these words are specific to idols, and other beings who have been elevated to ranks of Ilah/Ma’bud by misguided creation of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). (iii) The ambiguity over MIN DUNIHI (i.e. other than Him, or besides Him) is uncovered in other verses of Qur’an: “And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him (min dunihi) any Ilah (deity). We would have certainly spoken then an excessive transgression.” [Ref: Q18:14] “These, our people, have taken besides Him (min dunihi) deities (Ilahs). Why do they not bring for them a clear authority? And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie?" [Ref: Q18:15] This evidence establishes other-than-Him are idol-Ilahs and other creatures which Mushrikeen elevated to rank of Ilahs alongside, or instead of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). 2.0 - Responding To -: Invocation And Worship Right OF Allah Not For Other Than Him: (i) You wrote: “Allah says: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication.” (Quran:13:14) It means invocation is only right of Allah not for other than Allah because it is worship. Clear prohibition of worship of other than Allah in stated in another verse: “Say, "I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone." (Quran: 18:110)” I quote: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication. And those they call upon other than Him (i.e. min dunihi) do not respond to them with a thing, except as ...” [Ref:Q13:14] In this verse it is evident Dua is connected with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and Ilahs which the Mushrikeen invoke. Dua indicated in this verse in technical Shar’ee Dua and not linguistic Dua (i.e. call, request). As demonstrated earlier Shar’ee Dua is directed to an Ilah/Ma’bud and rule is; when Dua is directed to an Ilah/Ma’bud it warrants worship. In Islam Shar’ee Dua which warrants worship is only to be directed to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and as Muslims we supplicate to none except Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden (to be killed), except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty. Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated - Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” [Ref: Q25:68/70] 2.1 - Responding To -: Istighathah Being Supplication Is Agreed Hence It Is Shirk: I quote: “(2) Supplication is worship and it should be offered to Allah and invoking other-than Allah would become Shirk. Istighathah being a supplication which is made to other than Allah is agreed between us hence Istighathah is Shirk.” There are number of things I would like to address. (i) Worshipping any creation is MAJOR KUFR and IT IS NOT SHIRK. Shirk is what leads a person to worship, i.e. CREED. To believe a creation is an Ilah, is a Ma’bud, deserves worship, is worthy of worship WARRANTS MAJOR SHIRK. (ii) You may quote in refutation following verse as you have already done so: “So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone." [Ref: Q18:110] This verse is about MINOR SHIRK ar-RIYA and not about MAJOR SHIRK: “… Divine is what is being revealed to me. So whoever hopes to encounter his Lord through the Resurrection and the Requital let him do righteous work and not associate with the worship of his Lord that is to say let him not commit idolatry in performing it by feigning faith before anyone’.” [Ref: Chapter 18 Verse 110, Tafsir al-Jalalayn, here.] “… and secretly between him and his Lord, (and make none sharer of the worship due unto his Lord) he should not show off or associate in the worship of his Lord anything or anyone; it is also said that this means: he should not associate in his obedience of his Lord anything or anyone. This verse was revealed about Jundub Ibn Zuhayr al-'Amiri'.” [Ref: Chapter 18 Verse 110, Tafsir Ibn Abbas, here.] (iii) Ibadah is performed to gain approval and favour with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Shirk ar-Riya is to perform acts of worship to IMPRESS creation to gain their approval instead of Allah’s (subhanahu wa ta’ala) APPROVAL and FAVOUR hence it is minor Shirk. Verse revealed about minor Shirk cannot be evidence of major Shirk. (iv) The words ‘supplication’ and ‘invocation’ are used to mean a call to worship, i.e., a Shar’ee Dua. Istighathah is not a Shar’ee Dua because it does not meet the conditions required to be classified as such; hence, to associate Istighathah with these terms is an attempt to hold us accountable based on your Kharijism. (v) In Istighathah one requesting, calling to, soliciting a righteous Allah’s (subhanahu wa ta’ala) servant for assistance does not believe one called to provide help is an Ilah/Ma’bud alongside Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) nor has NIYYAH to worship with his request. Istighathah is a call to solicit help, request to assistance and nothing more. It is no more than a request for help, like when one asks another, 'Help me lift this.' No Ibadah is intended and no Ilah is called to provide help hence no worship. You have no basis to judge Istighathah as Shar’ee Dua, or issue verdict upon its practitioners through Shar’ee Dua lens. To spell it out, there is no agreement between us Muslims and Wahhabis on the true nature of Istighathah, and to assume otherwise without consulting me is creating a straw man. (vi) In response to your FIRST argument it needs to be pointed out your entire ARGUMENT is based on DEFECTIVE understandings of Quran/Sunnah, invalid assumptions and ascriptions. It also uses DEFECTIVE understanding of Tawheed/Shirk and uses innovative methodology to determine Shirk. Hence your judgement in regards to Istighathah does not represent teaching of Quran/Sunnah but only represents deviation of your Khariji apostasy. 3.0 - Explanation OF Verse -: Mushrikeen Invoke Other Than Allah Dead Not Alive: (i) In the second argument you quoted Ayah: “And those they invoke other than Allah create nothing and they (themselves) are created. They are (in fact) dead, not alive, and they do not perceive when they will be resurrected.” (Quran: 16:21)” No discussion/debate on subject of Istighathah is complete without this verse making appearance. It has been quoted to me in THREE times before this discussion and this is FOURTH appearance. Had you invested a little time in what is already written in regards to this verse you would have been aware that it has been explained by another verse in Quran: “But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit and possess not (power to cause) death or life or resurrection.” [Ref: Q25:3] The DEAD in verse that create nothing but were by themselves created are idol-gods which were shaped/created by Mushrikeen. In another Ayah the dead-ness of idols is emphasised in another way: “Indeed, those you (polytheists) call upon besides Allah are servants like you. So call upon them and let them respond to you, if you should be truthful. Have they feet wherewith they walk? Or have they hands wherewith they hold? Or have they eyes wherewith they see? Or have they ears wherewith they hear? Say: "Call your (so-called) partners (of Allah) and then plot against me, and give me no respite! “ [Ref: Q7:195] None of the organs mentioned in the Ayah are functioning as they do in LIVING because the IDOLS are dead. (ii) One may OBJECT, there is no reason to term IDOLS as DEAD. Dead are those who once had LIFE. Hence usage DEAD can ONLY be about things which once were alive i.e. people. Answer: Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) termed the IDOLS as dead based on materials used to create/craft IDOLS – clay, stones i.e. dead earth: “He brings the living out of the dead and brings the dead out of the living and brings to life the earth after its lifelessness. And thus will you be brought out.” [Ref: Q30:19] “And a sign for them is the dead earth. We have brought it to life and brought forth from it grain, and from it they eat.” [Ref: Q36:33] 3.1 - Explanation OF Verse -: Only Those Who Hear Will Respond: (iA) You wrote: “Allah also says about dead: “Only those who hear will respond. But the dead - Allah will resurrect them; then to Him they will be returned.” (Quran: 6:36)” Reading verse 36 in context of verses 33 to 36 it becomes apparent this Ayah is not about the dead but living-Mushrikeen – who have refused to accept the message of Islam: “We know that you (O Muhammad) are saddened by what they say. And indeed, they do not call you untruthful, but it is the verses of Allah that the wrongdoers reject. And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over (the effects of) denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah. And there has certainly come to you some information about the (previous) messengers. And if their evasion is difficult for you, then if you are able to seek a tunnel into the earth or a stairway into the sky to bring them a sign, (then do so). But if Allah had willed, He would have united them upon guidance. So never be of the ignorant. Only those who hear will respond (positively to invitation of Islam extended to Mushrikeen). But the dead - Allah will resurrect them; then to Him they will be returned.” [Ref: Q6:33/36] Two verses later Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) calls those Mushrikeen deaf and dumb despite the fact they hear, see, speak and understand: “But those who deny Our verses are deaf and dumb within darknesses. Whomever Allah wills - He leaves astray; and whomever He wills - He puts him on a straight path.” [Ref: Q6:39] “Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason.” [Ref: Q8:22] Another Ayah explains why the Mushrikeen are deaf, dumb and dead – because they are blinded by their desires: “But if they do not respond to you - then know that they only follow their (own) desires. And who is more astray than one who follows his desire without guidance from Allah? Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.” [Ref: Q28:50] “Indeed, you will not make the dead hear, nor will you make the deaf hear the call when they have turned their backs retreating.” [Ref: Q27:80] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) equated the Mushrikeen to dead and believers to living: “Nor are (alike) the living (i.e. the believers) and the dead (i.e. the disbelievers). Verily, Allah makes whom He wills to hear, but you cannot make hear (the message of Islam) those who are in graves (i.e. destined to die upon Kufr).” [Ref: Q35:22] (iB) In conclusion dead mentioned in the Ayah are not literal dead. The dead referenced in Ayah are living Mushrikeen due to not responding positively to message of Islam. They are labeled as deaf, dumb, dead, and in other verse as cattle: “The example of those who disbelieve is like that of one who shouts at what hears nothing but calls and cries cattle or sheep - deaf, dumb and blind, so they do not understand.” [Ref: Q2:171] The inability to hear indicated in verse is also not literal inability to hear but it is deliberate and willful decision to not to hear and accept message of Islam due to desires and life style contrary to teaching of Islam. 3.2 - Explanation OF Verse – Who Is More Astray Than One Who Invokes Beside Allah: (i) You quoted: “And who is more astray than he who invokes besides Allah those who will not respond to him until the Day of Resurrection and they of their invocation are unaware.” (Quran: 46:5)” In very next verse Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And when the people are gathered (that Day), they (who were invoked) will be enemies to them, and they will be deniers of their worship.” [Ref: Q46:6] This establishes verse is about those whom the Mushrikeen elevated to degree of gods/deities and invoked/worshipped them. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And who is more astray than he who invokes besides Allah those who will not respond to him until the Day of Resurrection and they of their invocation are unaware.” [Ref: Q46:5] This verse is further clarified by following verses: “And (warn of) the Day when He will say, ‘Call My partners' whom you claimed’, and they will invoke them, but they will not respond to them. And We will put between them (a valley of) destruction.” [Ref: Q18:52] “And it will be said to them, ‘Where are those you used to worship other than Allah? Can they help you or help themselves?’” [Ref: Q26:92/93] “And We did not wrong them, but they wronged themselves. And they were not availed at all by their gods which they invoked other than Allah when there came the command of your Lord. And they did not increase them in other than ruin.” [Ref: Q11:101] “And it will be said, ‘invoke your partners', and they will invoke them; but they will not respond to them, and they will see the punishment. If only they had followed guidance!” [Ref: Q64:28] “And when the people are gathered (that Day), they (who were invoked) will be enemies to them, and they will be deniers of their worship.” [Ref: Q46:6] “That is Allah, your Lord; to Him belongs sovereignty. And those whom you invoke besides Him do not possess [as much as] the membrane of a date seed. If you invoke them they do not hear your supplication; and if they heard, they would not respond to you. And on the Day of Resurrection they will deny your association. And none can inform you like (one) acquainted (with all matters).” [Ref: Q35:13/14] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) makes it clear partners Mushrikeen ascribed, will be enemies, will be deniers of worship, will not respond until judgment day, are unaware of invocations directed to them, will deny/reject they claimed association with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) as His partner are gods/deities which Mushrikeen associated with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala😞 “And they have taken besides Allah (false) deities that they would be for them (a source of) honor. No! Those ‘gods’ will deny their worship and will be against them opponents.” [Ref: Q19:81/82] “When those who were followed disassociate themselves from those who followed (them), and they see the punishment, and all ties between them are cut off. And those who followed will say, ‘If only we had another turn (at worldly life), we would disown them as they have disowned us.’” [Ref: Q2:166/167] (iii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) presents example of Prophet Jesus (alayhis salam) denying/rejecting exaggerations Christians have ascribed to him and his blessed mother: “And (beware the Day) when Allah will say, ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, “Take me and my mother as deities/gods besides Allah”?’ He will say, ‘Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who are Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me — to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” [Ref: Q5:116/117] In another verse angels whom the Mushrikeen assumed as daughters of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and worshipped them as such will disown the Mushrikeen: “And (mention) the Day when He will gather them all and then say to the angels, ‘Did these people used to worship you?’ They will say, ‘Exalted are You! You are our Protector, not them. Rather, they used to worship the jinn; most of them were believers in them.’” [Ref: Q34:40/41] Satan the cursed will also disown those who associated him with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala😞 “And Satan will say when the matter has been decided: ‘Indeed, Allah promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be your helper, nor can you be my helper. Indeed, I deny your former association of me (as a partner to Allah).’” [Ref: Q14:22] The Jinn/Shayateen will also disown deities/gods and demanding worship but will acknowledge being misguided: “And (mention) the Day He will call them and say, ‘Where are My partners whom you used to claim?’ Those upon whom the word will have come into effect will say, ‘Our Lord, these are the ones whom we led astray; we led them astray just as we were astray ourselves. We declare our disassociation before You; it was not us they worshipped.’” [Ref: Q28:62/63] (iv) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And who is more astray than he who invokes besides Allah those who will not respond to him until the Day of Resurrection and they of their invocation are unaware.” [Ref: Q46:5] “And (warn of) the Day when He will say, ‘Call My partners' whom you claimed’, and they will invoke them, but they will not respond to them. And We will put between them (a valley of) destruction.” [Ref: Q18:52] Following Ayah reveals the partners Mushrikeen ascribed with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) FALSE ILAHS/GODS: “But when He gives them a good (child), they ascribe partners to Him concerning that which He has given them. Exalted is Allah above what they associate with Him. Do they associate with Him those who create nothing and they are (themselves) created? And the false deities are unable to (give) them help, nor can they help themselves.” [Ref: Q7:190/192] Some partners Mushrikeen associated with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) as daughters and others as sons: “But they have attributed to Allah partners - the jinn, while He has created them - and have fabricated for Him sons and daughters. Exalted is He and high above what they describe.” [Ref: Q6:100] Angels were associated as daughter GODS as following verses indicate: “Then, has your Lord chosen you for (having) sons and taken from among the angels daughters? Indeed, you say a grave saying.” [Ref: Q17:40] “So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza? And Manat, the third - the other one? Is the male for you and for Him the female?” [Ref: Q53:19/21] This once again demonstrated verse employed by you is about idol-gods and gods which Mushrikeen ascribed as partners with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and worshipped them as such. 3.3 - Responding To Your Reasoning – Not Created Anything, Dead No Hear See Or Respond: At the end of verses you quoted in your second argument you formulated an argument in following words: “These verses prove (i) people invoke dead PEOPLE who have not created anything but in FACT they were created by Allah, (ii) dead have no ability to hear, or see, or respond to pleas of living because they are unaware of DUAS being made to them. They will not respond to until life is restored to them on judgment day. (iii) These verses prove supplicating to dead for help such as in Istighathah is pointless practice along with Shirk.” I have underlined and divided three portions which I will respond to in this section. (i) You said ‘people invoke the dead’, and this is against reality because they request the souls of deceased not their inanimate bodies. Also you’re basing your SHIRK FATWA on unproven, baseless, evil INNOVATIVE principle; requesting the souls of deceased for HELP IS SHIRK. (ii) You said ‘invoked/requested are those who have been created but have not created anything’. I have already quoted Ayah which explains this Ayah is about idols: “But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit and possess not (power to cause) death or life or resurrection.” [Ref: Q25:3] Further more Prophet Isa (alayhis salam) in Quran created birds from clay even though he was created by Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and is invoked by Christians. Does Prophet Isa (alayhis-salam) — who performed mentioned miracles by the permission of Allah (subḥanahu wa ta’ala) — fall under the scope of verse Q16:21, or is he excluded from it? If he is included, then the verse would appear to be contradicted; but if he is excluded, then applying this verse to include the Saliḥeen (the righteous) would be against its true intended meaning. (iii) You said, ‘the dead have no ability to hear, see, or respond’. The dead mentioned in the verse and ONE’S on which you basing your reasoning against ISTIGHATHAH are IDOL-GODS of Mushrikeen and this verse is true about them. In regards to deceased PERSONS Ahadith even Quran has evidence dead do HEAR. Hadith records: “Narrated Ibn Umar: The Prophet stood at the well of Badr (which contained the corpses of the pagans) and said: ‘Have you found true what your lord promised you?’ Then he further said: ‘They now hear what I say.’" [Ref: Bukhari, B59, H317, here] In similar fashion to how Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) talked to the dead and said dead hear Quran mentions Prophets Salih (alayhis salam) and Prophet Shu’ayb (alayhis salam) talked to deceased members of their nations as evidenced by following verses: Q7:77/79, Q7:91/93. Sunnah has more evidence in support of deceased persons being able to hear: “Anas Ibn Malik reported Allah's Apostle having said: When the servant is placed in his grave, his companions retrace their steps, and he hears the noise of their footsteps, two angels come to him and make him sit and say to him: What you have to say about this person (the Prophet)? If he is a believer, he would say: I bear testimony to the fact that he is a servant of Allah and His Messenger. “ [Ref: Muslim, B40, H6862, here] (iv) You said, ‘because they (the dead) are unaware of DUAS being made to them.’ No one from amongst Muslims directs a Dua-worship to anyone except Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is presented deeds performed by Muslims. Ahadith and the authenticity of these Ahadith is discussed, here. This would establish Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is aware our actions and REQUESTS of HELP directed toward him and others. Similarly another Hadith records: “Your deeds are presented to your close relatives and kin from those who have passed away – if the deeds are good, they are delighted by them but if they not, they say: ‘O Allah do not cause them to die until you have guided them just as you had guided us.'” [Ref: Musnad Ahmad 3:64/165] Wahhabi Shaykh Al-Bani has authenticated it. This leads to conclusion that deceased FAMILY members know good/bad deeds of their living relatives and they supplicate. Technically IF someone said, O MY FATHER HELP ME, it will mean FATHER WILL BE AWARE request of help has been made by his child. Hence your assertion deceased FAMILY members are unaware of what livings are doing is REFUTED. (v) You said, ‘They will not respond to until life is restored to them on judgment day.’ Those who have departed this world do respond to the living providing it is in agreement with will of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Hadith records Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said he responds to the salutation: “Narrated Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet said: If any one of you greets me, Allah returns my soul to me and I respond to the greeting." [Ref: Abu Dawood, B10, H2036, here.] I know this is not evidence of souls of deceased responding to requests of help but it is evidence that does substantiate Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) responds even after leaving earthly life. Furthermore there are Ahadith which record words: “Musa Ibn Ishaq related to us from Manjab Ibn Al-Harith, Hatim Ibn Isma’il related to us from Usamah Ibn Zayd from Aban Ibn Salih from Mujahid from Ibn Abbas that the Messenger of Allah said: ‘Indeed Allah possesses Angels besides the Hafazah (the Angels of Protection) who write (of even) the leaf which falls from a tree so when one of you suffers a limp in a deserted land he should call “Assist (me) O slaves of Allah.”’ [Ref: Musnad al-Bazzar, Volume 11, Musnad Ibn Abbas, H4922, Page181, here, scribd here.] “Narrated Hussain bin Ishaq Tustari, narrated Yahya As-Soofi, narrated Abdur Rahman bin Sahl, narrates from his father, Abdullah bin Isa, from Zaid bin Ali, from Utbah bin Ghazwan, from Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam). He said: ‘When one of you loses something or desires assistance while in a land where no person of assistance (is available) he should say “O slaves of Allah! Assist me; help me” for indeed Allah has many slaves who we do not see.” And this [Hadith] has been acted upon. [Ref: Tabarani, Mu'jam Al Kabeer, 17/177 - online Hadith 5469] “Abdullah bin Ahmed bin Hanbal (rah) said that he heard his father (Imam Ahmed) who said: I performed Hajj 5 times, thrice on foot and twice on ride or he said thrice on ride and twice on foot, once when I was on foot I lost my way hence I started to exclaim this: O Allah’s servants show me the way I kept on repeating this until I came back on track.” [Ref: Shu’ayb ul Iman, Vol6, P128, H7697] One such servant appointed by Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) to assist the Ummah of RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi wass’sallam) identify Dajjal is Prophet Khadir (alayhis salam😞 “Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger one day gave a detailed account of the Dajjal and in that it was also included: He would come but would not be allowed to enter the mountain passes to Medina. So he will alight at some of the barren tracts near Medina, and a person who would be the best of men or one from amongst the best of men would say to him: I bear testimony to the fact that you are Dajjal about whom Allah's Messenger had informed us. The Dajjal would say: What is your opinion if I kill this (person), then I bring him back to life; even then will you harbour doubt in this matter? They would say: No. He would then kill (the man) and then bring him back to life. When he would bring that person to life, he would say: By Allah, I had no better proof of the fact (that you are a Dajjal) than at the present time (that you are actually so). The Dajjal would then make an attempt to kill him (again) but he would not be able to do that. Abu Ishaq reported that it was said: That person would be Khadir (Allah be pleased with him).” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H7017, here.] Once again this is not evidence that Prophet Khadir (alayhis salam) responded to REQUEST of HELP. It does support Ahadith of Bazzar, Tabarani, and Shu’ayb ul-Iman in establishing servants appointed to HELP are inclusive of those who have LEFT this worldly life hence validating these Ahadith. 4.0 - Explaining Ayah, Other Than Him Do Not Respond With A Thing: In your third argument you quoted Ayah: “To Him (alone) is the true supplication. And those they call upon other than Him do not respond to them with a thing, except as one who stretches his hands toward water to reach his mouth, but it will not reach it (thus). And the supplication of the disbelievers is not but in error.” (Quran: 13:14) I will FOCUS on one aspect of verse to reveal about whom the verse was revealed. (i) Theme of BESIDE-HIM being helpless is expanded in the following verse to include judgement day but how BESIDE-HIM are referenced in the Ayah is changed to PARTNERS: “You invite me to disbelieve in Allah and to join partners with Him … No doubt you call me to (worship) one who cannot grant my request (or respond to my invocation) in this world or in the Hereafter.” [Ref: Q40: 42/43] This is explained by: “And (warn of) the Day when He will say: ‘Call my partners whom you claimed.’ And they will invoke them but they will not respond to them. And We will put between them (a valley of) destruction.” [Ref: Q18:52] Another Ayah reveals claimed-partners and beside-Allah are actually gods which Mushrikeen worshipped: “And they have taken Alihah (gods) besides Allah, that they might give them honour, power and glory. Nay, but they (the so-called gods) will deny their worship of them, and become opponents to them (on the Day of Resurrection).“ [Ref: Q19:81/82] Gods Mushrikeen believed and invoked in sense of Dua of worship were idols. This establishes verse you applied upon Muslims was revealed in regards to DISBELIEVERS like all others. To top this up the verse you employed ends with: “… except as one who stretches his hands toward water to reach his mouth, but it will not reach it (thus). And the supplication of the disbelievers is not but in error.” Indicating the verse is about DISBELIEVERS and their SUPPLICATIONS. Abdullah Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) say: "And the statement of Allah: 'Allah will not mislead a people after He has guided them, until He makes clear to them what to avoid.' (9:115) And Ibn Umar used to consider them (the Khawarij and the Mulhidun) the worst of Allah's creatures and said: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” [Ref: Bukhari, Book 88, Chapter6: Killing al-Khawarij and Mulhideen, here, scribd here.] “Abu Jafr al-Tabri in Kitab Tahzeeb ul-Athaar heard from; Yunus, Ibn Wahb, Amr Ibn al-Harith told me, Bakira (Ibn Abdullah bin A’shj) told me that he enquired/wondered what is opinion of Ibn Umar regarding Harurriyah (i.e. Khawarij). He said they are the worst of creatures in creation of Allah because they applied verses revealed for disbelievers upon righteous-believers.” [Ref: Taghleeq al-Ta’leeq Alas-Sahih ul-Bukhari, Vol5, Page259, here.] 4.1 - Explaining Ayahs, Do Not Call Besides-Allah, And They worship Other Than- Allah: You quoted Ayah: (i) “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.” (Quran: 10:106)” Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit, and possess not (power to cause) death or life or resurrection.” [Ref: Q25:3] In light of this verse it is apparent beside-Allah mentioned in Q10:106 are gods which Mushrikeen associated with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) as His partners and Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) has prohibited directing supplications of worship to them in verse Q10:106. (ii)“And they worship other than Allah that which neither harms them nor benefits them, and they say, "These are our intercessors with Allah " Say, "Do you inform Allah of something He does not know in the heavens or on the earth?" Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him.” (Quran: 10:18)” This Ayah is also explained by: “But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit, and possess not (power to cause) death or life or resurrection.” [Ref: Q25:3] It is basic knowledge pre-requisite of worship is affirmation of ILAHIYYAH; MA’BUDIYYAH. Verse Q25:3 reveals Mushrikeen affirmed Ilahiyyah and verse Q10:18 reveals Mushrikeen engaged in worship. One points to BELIEF i.e. Ilahiyyah and the other establishes practical demonstration. (iii) This is enough to demonstrate verses were revealed in regards to DISBELIEVERS which you, and WAHHABIS in general, consistently LIKE KHAWARIJ interpret as IF it is revealed about Muslims. 4.2 - Responding To – Dead Have No Power To Drink Water, Invocation Directed To Dead: You wrote: (i) “Allah says, those invoked, do not have power to drink water, like the dead to not, hence lack the ability to benefit and harm to themselves or others. Further in Ayah says invocation directed to dead by disbelievers is error: “To Him (alone) is the ...(Quran: 13:14) Same meaning is attested to by following: “And do not call besides Allah …” (Quran: 10:106)” (i) “A Parable for the Weakness of the False Gods of the Polytheists: Ali bin Abi Talib said that Allah's statement, (For Him is the Word of Truth.) is in reference to Tawhid, according to Ibn Jarir At-Tabari. Ibn Abbas, Qatadah, and Malik who narrated it from Muhammad bin Al-Munkadir, said that, (For Him is the Word of Truth.) means, "La ilaha illallah.'' Allah said next, (And those whom they invoke besides Him ...), meaning, the example of those who worship others besides Allah, (like one who stretches forth his hand for water to reach his mouth,) `Ali bin Abi Talib commented, "Like he who stretches his hand on the edge of a deep well to reach the water, even though his hands do not reach it; so how can the water reach his mouth'' Mujahid said about, (like one who stretches forth his hand) "Calling the water with his words and pointing at it, but it will never come to him this way.'' The meaning of this Ayah is that he who stretches his hand to water from far away, to either collect some or draw some from far away, will not benefit from the water which will not reach his mouth, where water should be consumed. Likewise, those idolaters who call another deity besides Allah, will never benefit from these deities in this life or the Hereafter, hence Allah's statement, (and the invocation of the disbelievers is nothing but misguidance.)” [Ref: Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Q13:14, here.] “(Unto Him is the real prayer) the Religion of the Truth: the confession that there is no god save Allah, which is the declaration of one's sincerity to Allah. (Those unto whom they pray) worship (beside Allah respond to them not at all) of benefit when they call upon them, (save as (if the response to) one who stretcheth forth his hands towards water) from far ((asking) that it may come unto his mouth and it will never reach it) in such state, hard as he may try. Allah says: just as water cannot possibly reach the mouth of such a man, the idols will also not benefit those who worship them. (The prayer of disbelievers) the worship of the disbelievers (goeth (far) astray) it is void and they will not find it.” [Ref: Tafsir Ibn Abbas, Q13:14, here.] “His exalted be He is the call of truth that is the words that constitute it the truth and these are ‘there is no god but God’ lā ilāha illā’Llāh; and those upon whom they call read yad‘ūn or tad‘ūn ‘you call’ those whom they worship apart from Him that is other than Him — namely the idols — do not answer them anything of which they ask; save as is the response to one who stretches forth his hands towards water at the edge of a well calling to it that it may reach his mouth by its rising through the well to reach him but it would never reach it that is reach his mouth ever likewise they the idols will not answer them; and the call of the disbelievers their worship of idols — or their actual supplication — goes only astray it is only in perdition.” [Ref: Tafsir Al-Jalalayn, Q13:14, here.] (ii) Your Tafsir is FALSE and invented/innovative as your principles on which you determine Tawheed/Shirk. These three Tafasir have demonstrated the inability to do anything and lack of benefit/harm is being established in regards to idol-gods of Mushrikeen and not deceased persons. Hadith records: “Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Messenger of Allah said: "Whoever says (something) about the Qur'an without knowledge, then let him take his seat in the Fire." [Ref: Tirmadhi, B44, H2950, here.] This Hadith is Hassan Sahih according to Imam Tirmadhi (rahimullah). 4.3 - Responding To - Invocation To Not … Is Worship, Istighathah Practitioner Kafir: You wrote: “Allah makes it clear invocation to those who do not benefit or harm is worship: “And they worship other than Allah that ...” (Quran: 10:18) This evidence proves there is explicit prohibition to invoke other than Allah such as in practice of Istighathah and people who engage in it are disbelievers, because their calls to other than Allah are worship.” (i) You have distorted the meaning of verse. The verse in discussion does not say directing an invocation to those who cannot benefit/harm is worship. Rather Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says Mushrikeen invoke idol-gods which have no INHERENT capacity to benefit or harm and Mushrikeen invoke in worship such USELESS idol-gods in worship saying these are our intercessors in court of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). (ii) The Ayahs accumulatively establish prohibition to associated a creation as an Ilah partner with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala), to invoke idol-gods, to worship them, and IDENTIFIES Mushrikeen are KAFIRS. Your judgment against Istighathah is without warrant because practitioners of Istighathah DO NOT BELIEVE one sought help of is an Ilah/Ma’bud, in any capacity, and have no intention to worship. Without these two corner stones no request/call directed to living, dead amounts to worship. On other hand people targeted in the Ayah, i.e. Mushrikeen, believed in Ilahiyyah of ONE’S they invoked/called/requested help, and did so with intention to worship. (iii) You need not be told unjustified Takfir returns and what came from you has returned to you certifying you’re Kafir and you would be so even IF Wahhabis did not make Takfir of Muslims because Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: "Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger said, "The main source of disbelief is in the east. Pride and arrogance are characteristics of the owners of horses and camels, and ..." [Ref: Bukhari, B54, H520, here.] "Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: "Faith is Yemeni, and disbelief is from the direction of the east. Tranquility is for the people of sheep, and wickedness and ...” [Ref: Tirmadhi, B7, H2243, here.] 5.0 - Explanation OF Q72:21, And Q7:188 In Light OF Each Other: You quoted: “Allah tells Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims: “Say: ‘Indeed, ...’” (Quran: 72:21) “Say, "I hold not for myself (the power of) benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed ...” (Quran: 7:188) In another verse ...” (i) You quoted Ayah: “Say: ‘Indeed, I do not possess for you (the power of) harm or good.’” [Ref: Q72:21] This Ayah on its apparent is instructing Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to deny having ability to inflict harm or grant good (or guide to right path). It is not impossible to comprehend that a functional and healthy human has some control over inflicting others with harm or benefitting. Why is the Ayah then instructing Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to say something which is not ENTIRELY TRUE especially when looked in the context FOLLOWING: “Say, "I hold not for myself (the power of) benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen, I could have acquired much wealth, and no harm would have touched me. I am not except a warner and a bringer of good tidings to a people who believe.” [Ref: Q7:188] There are two understandings of the Ayah and both complement each other: (a) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) instructed Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to engage in SELF-DEPRECATION as an act of MODESTY, HUMILITY. (b) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) instructed the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to negate INDEPENDENCE in being able to HARM/BENEFIT which was then SUPPLEMENTED and EXPLAINED by FOLLOWING: “Say, "I possess not for myself any harm or benefit except what Allah should will. For every nation is a (specified) term. When their time has come, then they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede (it).” [Ref: Q10:49] The Ayah establishes Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and generally all humanity/creation has no INDEPENDENCE in matter HARM/BENEFIT except what Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) has permitted. (ii) This has established Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) does have the ability to HARM/BENEFIT like rest of the creation and it is DEPENDENT UPON THE WILL/PERMISSION OF ALLAH (subhanahu wa ta’ala). 5.1 - Explanation OF Verse Q10:106 In Light OF Historical Events Narrated In Quran: You wrote: “In another verse Allah forbids us to call on such besides-Allah: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, ...” (Quran: 10:106) Allah says …” I have already explained this Ayah in section 4.1. (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.” [Ref: Q10:106] The ambiguity about beside-Allah which cannot harm/benefit is somewhat removed in the following verse: “But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit, and possess not (power to cause) death or life or resurrection.” [Ref: Q25:3] This Ayah reveals beside-Allah who cannot benefit/harm ARE FALSE GODS but it also adds these GODS create nothing but are themselves created. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) narrates story of Prophet Ibrahim (alayhis salam) where he said to Mushrikeen about their gods, do you worship what you create: “Then he turned to their gods and said, "Do you not eat? What is (wrong) with you that you do not speak?" And he turned upon them a blow with (his) right hand. Then the people came toward him, hastening. He said, "Do you worship that which you (yourselves) carve, While Allah created you and that which you do?" [Ref: Q37:91/96] This Ayah is similar to in meaning to FOLLOWING where Bani Israel demanded Prophet Musa (alayhis salam) create for them idol-gods: “And We took the Children of Israel across the sea; then they came upon a people intent in devotion to (some) idols of theirs. They said, "O Moses, make for us a god just as they have gods." He said, "Indeed, you are a people behaving ignorantly.” [Ref: Q7:138] These verses establish - IN THE LANGUAGE OF QURAN WHAT CREATES NOTHING BUT ITSELF IS CREATED IS AN IDOL. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) instructed: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.” [Ref: Q10:106] Those who have read the Quran will understand that HISTORICAL context on which the verse and point is based on is RELATED TO PROPHET IBRAHIM (alayhis salam). He said to his people you worship idols as gods - do not harm, or benefit: “And (I swear) by Allah, I will surely plan against your idols after you have turned and gone away." So he made them into fragments, except a large one among them that they might return to it (and question). They said, "Who has done this to our gods? Indeed, he is of the wrongdoers." They said, "We heard a young man mention them who is called Abraham." They said, "Then bring him before the eyes of the people that they may testify." They said, "Have you done this to our gods, O Abraham?" He said, "Rather, this - the largest of them - did it, so ask them, if they should (be able to) speak." So they returned to (blaming) themselves and said (to each other), "Indeed, you are the wrongdoers." Then they reversed themselves, (saying), "You have already known that these do not speak!" He said, "Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you?” [Ref: Q21:57/66] This evidence establishes without shadow of doubt verse Q10:106 is about IDOL-GODS which Mushrikeen ascribed as partners and worshipped them. (iii) It is recorded in Sahih al-Bukhari: "And the statement of Allah: 'Allah will not mislead a people after He has guided them, until He makes clear to them what to avoid.' (9:115) And Ibn Umar used to consider them (the Khawarij and the Mulhidun) the worst of Allah's creatures and said: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” [Ref: Bukhari, Book 88, Chapter6: Killing al-Khawarij and Mulhideen, here, scribd here.] 5.2 - To Negate Ability To Harm And Benefit For Prophet Muhammad Is Major Kufr: (i) You wrote: “Allah says, the living, do not even have power over benefit and harm let alone the dead.” Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) did not say the living do not have no power of benefit, or harm. Rather Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) establishes both by conditioning, except what has willed: “Say, "I hold not for myself (the power of) benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And ...” [Ref: Q7:188] “Say, "I possess not for myself any harm or benefit except what Allah should will. For every...” [Ref: Q10:49] (iiA) You wrote: “In third verse Allah forbids believers to invoke any who is without benefit and harm. The dead are completely incapable of anything hence lack greater degree of capacity of benefit and harm hence the prohibition to invoke them is greater." I have demonstrated without any shadow of doubt 3rd verse is about idol-gods of Mushrikeen: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.” [Ref: Q10:106] Hence in 3rd verse Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) has FORBIDDEN to call upon IDOL-GODS. (iiB) You quoted Ayah: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.” [Ref: Q10:106] While arguing EVEN THE LIVING ARE HELPLESS – DEAD ARE HELPLESS EVEN MORE SO HENCE PROHIBITION TO SEEK HELP FROM THEM IS GREATER you applied verse of IDOLS upon: “Allah tells Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims: “Say: ‘Indeed ,...’” (Quran: 72:21) “Say, "I hold not for myself (the power of) benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen ...” (Quran: 7:188) In another verse Allah forbids us to call on such besides-Allah: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, ...” (Quran: 10:106)“ What you FAILED on was that this verse is negating - ABSOLUTE, ANY and EVERY KIND OF ABILITY OF HARM/BENEFIT FOR IDOLS. In other words you negated regarding LIVING including PROPHET MUHAMMAD (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) what was CATEGORICALLY ESTABLISHED and ascribed to them qualities of IDOLS. This is ANOTHER reason due to which you’re guilty of MAJOR KUFR which warrants blood. 5.3 - Major Kufr Resulting From Disrespecting, And Lowering The Messenger OF Allah: (i) In your 6th Mail, 4th argument you wrote: “Allah tells Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims: “Say: ‘Indeed ,...’” (Quran: 72:21) “Say, "I hold not for myself (the power of) benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen ...” (Quran: 7:188) In another verse Allah forbids us to call on such besides-Allah: “And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, ... (Quran: 10:106)“ In my 6th Mail responded and pointed you’re guilty of major Kufr: “Some verses you employed are strictly about IDOLS and cannot be applied upon Prophets and Saliheen even IF Ilahiyyah was ascribed to them. In specific you applied verse of IDOLS upon Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and I quote: “Allah tells Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims: ...“ (Quran: 10:106)“ This act warrants major DISBELIEF which in absence of repentance Qadhi permits blood on grounds that equating Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to an idol is disrespect and dishonouring the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam).” To this you responded in your 7th Mail with: “You said I disrespected Messenger of Allah (pbuh). What you did not realize is that first two verses makes Prophet (pbuh) and Muslims declare that as Allah’s creation we have no power over good or bad. Third verse instructs not to invoke upon those min dooni Allah (besides Allah) which cannot provide good/bad. Min dooni Allah is all creation including Prophets. This is Tafsir and not disrespect.” (ii) The words min dun-illah an indirect referrence to idols/gods of Mushrikeen and these words have been explicitly connected to Ilahs/gods of Mushrikeen in parts of Quran. Here is comprehensive list of verses in which such connection is made; Q2:165, Q5:116, Q18:15, Q19:81/82, Q21:43, Q26:97/98, Q29:17, and Q39:43. IF there is STILL any doubt than see verse Q21:57/66 and it clearly demonstrates verse Q10:106 is about IDOL-GODS hence words min dooni Allah (beside-Allah) are not about Prophets. Here some more verses in which this phrase is connected with gods/goddesses of Mushrikeen: “So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza? And Manat, the third - the other one? Is the male for you and for Him the female?” [Ref: Q53:19/21] “They call upon instead of Him none but female (deities), and they (actually) call upon none but a rebellious Satan.” [Ref: Q4:117] (iii) How is describing Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) as BESIDE-ALLAH, with qualities of IDOL-GODS (i.e. which can neither BENEFIT or HARM) is NOT DISRESPECTFUL? How about someone MENTION your MOTHER engaging in LAWFUL act with your FATHER after NIKKAH as, SHE WAS PAID WELL FOR HER SERVICE? Mahr (Dowry) was paid but the under tones are of HIRED prostitute should not sit well with anyone who LOVES and RESPECTS his parents. What you said in regards to Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is disrespect via Tanqees (i.e. diminishing, lowering) because you associated him with something repugnant. It is similar to how I have diminished your MOTHER’S worth and your FATHER’S uprightness by using language which portrays her as hired PROSTITUTE and him as man of IMMORAL character. 5.4 - Demonstrating Evil Consequence OF Your Saying Prophets Are Min-Dooni-Allah: You have made it clear you believe Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) IS beside-Allah out of many other Prophets. I am also confident you believe we Muslims worship him when we Muslims request him to seek forgiveness for us in accordance with verse: “And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, (O Muhammad), and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.” [Ref: Q4:64] In another verse Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says BESIDE-ALLAH are FUEL OF HELL: “Indeed, you and what you worship besides Allah are fuel for Hell. You will surely enter it.” [Ref: Q21:98] In line with your BELIEF; will the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) enter into hell as FUEL? Is he not BESIDE-ALLAH: “So the disbeliever was dumb-founded. And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.” [Ref: Q2:2258] 5.5 - The Dead Are Not Helpless, And They Prophets Benefit After Their Passing: With regards to your saying: “Allah says, the living, do not even have power over benefit and harm let alone the dead. In third verse Allah forbids believers to invoke any who is without benefit and harm. The dead are completely incapable of anything hence lack greater degree of capacity of benefit and harm hence the prohibition to invoke them is greater.” Arwah (souls) of the Muslims and Prophets are not dead and are not without BENEFIT. Muslims request the SOULS to assist not bodies of deceased in graves. (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) took covenant from Prophets in following Ayah: “And when Allah took the covenant of the prophets (saying), "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you (must) believe in him and support him." (Allah) said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." [Ref: Q3:81] As part of this covenant to HELP and support Prophets - Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) granted the Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) the CHOICE to ask Messengers before him: “And ask those We sent before you of Our Messengers; have We made besides the Most Merciful deities to be worshipped?” [Ref: Q43:45] “(And ask those of Our messengers) such as Jesus, Moses and Abraham; this was on the night when he was taken up to heaven and he led in prayer 70 prophets, among whom were Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Allah commanded His Prophet, saying: ask them (whom We sent before thee) O Muhammad: (Did We ever appoint gods to be worshipped beside the Beneficent) did We command that any other deity beside the Beneficent be worshipped? It is also said that this means: ask those unto whom We sent the messengers before you, i.e. the people of Book, did We appoint any other deities beside the Beneficent to be worshipped? And it is also said that this means: ask them, did the messengers bring anything other than the profession of Allah's divine Oneness; the Prophet did not have to ask because he was certain that Allah did not appoint any other deities to be worshipped beside Him.” [Ref: Tafsir Ibn al-Abbas, Q43:45, here.] “And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before you Did We ever appoint besides the Compassionate One that is to say any other than Him gods to be worshipped? It is said that this is to be understood literally in other words that God gathered for him all the messengers on the Night of the Journey; but it is also said that this meant that he should ask any communities belonging to either of the two Peoples of the Scripture. According to one of the two opinions he never asked anyone since the point of this command to ask is to affirm to the idolaters of Quraysh that no messenger or scripture ever came from God with the command to worship any other than God.” [Ref: Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Q43:45, here.] Based on this evidence we Muslims are justified in arguing the Arwah those who have passed from earthly life are not HELPLESS and CAN BENEFIT. There are many Ahadith in which AFTER THE PASSING of Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) people sought his HELP, here. These Ahadith establish the Arwah (souls) do HELP i.e. BENEFIT hence your argument is INVALID in light of Quran/Ahadith. 6.0 - Do Muslims Have Awliyah, And Are We Allowed To Take Awliya: You wrote: “Allah says: “Do than those who disbelieved think that they can take My slaves as Awliya (protector) besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers.” (Quran: 18:102)” Your erroneous application seems to give impression that Muslims have no Wali (singular form of Awliya) and a Muslim should not have Awliya/Wali. (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “O you who have believed, take not those who have taken your religion in ridicule and amusement among the ones who were given the Scripture before you nor the disbelievers as Awliya (allies, friends, protectors). And fear Allah, if you should (truly) be believers.” [Ref: Q5:57] There is prohibition to take DISBELIEVERS as Awliya but also indirect indication in this Ayah that a Muslim is permitted to have Muslims as Awliya. Following verses cement this understanding: “Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever (of you) does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And ...” [Ref: Q3:28] “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them Awliya (allies) until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” [Ref: Q4:89] “The believing men and believing women are Awliya (allies) of one another. They enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Those - Allah will have mercy upon them. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” [Ref: Q9:71] “Your Wali is none but Allah and (therefore) His Messenger and those who have believed - those who establish prayer and give zakah, and they bow (in worship). And ...” [Ref: Q5:55/56] Wali as you would know is singular and its plural is Awliya. This establishes to choose Awliya from amongst Saliheen and Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) as a Wali is not same as taking Awliya besides Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Who are the Awliya beside Allah indicated in Ayah you quote will be demonstrated in coming explanation of verses. 6.1 - Explanation OF Verse Q18:102 And Responding To Implications: You quoted: “Allah says: “Do than those who disbelieved think that they can take My slaves as Awliya (protector) besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers.” (Quran: 18:102)” (i) A comprehensive discussion and more detail evidential presentation on this matter was made in section 3.2 part (iii) so I recommend re-reading the section in context of this Ayah and draw your own conclusion. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Then do those who disbelieve think that they can take My servants instead of Me as allies/Awliya? Indeed, We have prepared Hell for the disbelievers as a lodging.” [Ref: Q18:102] Following verse continues theme of quoted verse: “And (mention) the Day He will gather them and that which they worship besides Allah and will say, "Did you mislead these, My servants, or did they (themselves) stray from the way?” They will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for us to take besides You any allies. But You provided comforts for them and their fathers until they forgot the message and became a people ruined." So they will deny you, (disbelievers), in what you say, and you cannot avert (punishment) or (find) help. And whoever commits injustice among you - We will make him taste a great punishment.” [Ref: Q25:17/19] From the obedient servants Prophet Isa (alayhis salam) will be asked IF he asked to be deified and demanded worship same question will be directed toward angels as following verse establishes: “And (mention) the Day when He will gather them all and then say to the angels, ‘Did these people used to worship you?’ They will say, ‘Exalted are You! You are our Protector, not them. Rather, they used to worship the jinn; most of them were believers in them.’” [Ref: Q34:40/41] Then there will be Jinn who had accepted Islam but Mushrikeen continued worshipping them and such Jinn will disown people who ascribed Ilahiyyah to them and resorted to worshiping Jinn. Following verse sums up the discussion: “And they have taken besides Allah (false) deities that they would be for them (a source of) honor. No! Those ‘gods’ will deny their worship and will be against them opponents.” [Ref: Q19:81/82] (iii) SERVANTS which Mushrikeen took as Awliya instead/beside Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) are those whom the Mushrikeen ASCRIBED ILAHIYYAH (God-hood) to, WORSHIPPED and INVOKED them as such. You seem to be applying this verse upon Prophets and righteous in Ummah - in absence of Ilahiyyah being AFFIRMED about them. Furthermore you also seem to applying this verse upon Muslims in general who have sought TAWASSUL without AFFIRMING ILAHIYYAH, without INTENDING WORSHIP, and without BELIEF HELP SOUGHT IS FROM AN ILAH/RABB. This is trade mark of a Khariji. (iv) Awliyah mentioned in Ayah Q18:10 are Saliheen (righteous) and Anbiya (prophets) whom the Mushrikeen elevated to ranks of Ilahs and Arbab. 7.0 - Explanation Of Awliya Beside Allah In Q13:16, Its Connection With Benefit And Harm: You wrote and quoted Ayah: “He in another verse says these Awliya have no power over benefit, or harm: “Say: "Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth?" Say: "(It is) Allah." Say: "Have you then taken (for worship) Awliya (protectors) other than Him, such as have no power either for benefit or for harm to themselves?" (Quran: 13:16)” (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “The example of those who take Awliya ( allies) other than Allah is like that of the spider who takes a home. And indeed, the weakest of homes is the home of the spider, if they only knew. Indeed, Allah knows whatever thing they call upon other than Him. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.” [Ref: Q29:41/42] They called upon other than Him/Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) in worship and invented excuse: “Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors besides Him (say), "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah will judge between them concerning that over which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide he who is a liar and (confirmed) disbeliever.” [Ref: Q39:3] The core/essential requirement to worship is creed X is deserving of worship – i.e. Ilahiyyah (God-hood – worthy of worship). This establishes Awliya beside Allah mentioned in Quran are creatures elevated to rank of god and idol-gods. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Say, "Who is Lord of the heavens and earth?" Say, "Allah." Say, "Have you then taken besides Him Awliya (allies) not possessing (even) for themselves any benefit or any harm?" Say, "Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Or is darkness equivalent to light? Or have they attributed to Allah partners who created like His creation so that the creation (of each) seemed similar to them?" Say, "Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Prevailing." [Ref: Q13:16] The ambiguity about Awliya beside Allah and partners Mushrikeen ascribed to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is revealed in following verses: “And (I swear) by Allah, I will surely plan against your idols after you have turned and gone away." So he made them into fragments, except a large one among them that they might return to it (and question). They said, "Who has done this to our gods? Indeed, he is of the wrongdoers." They said, "We heard a young man mention them who is called Abraham." They said, "Then bring him before the eyes of the people that they may testify." They said, "Have you done this to our gods, O Abraham?" He said, "Rather, this - the largest of them - did it, so ask them, if they should (be able to) speak." So they returned to (blaming) themselves and said (to each other), "Indeed, you are the wrongdoers." Then they reversed themselves, (saying), "You have already known that these do not speak!" He said, "Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you?” [Ref: Q21:57/66] This evidence establishes Awliya mentioned in the Ayaat you quoted are made from inanimate material such as idol-gods whom the Mushrikeen ascribed Ilahiyyah and worshipped. (iii) You wrote: " Fifth Argument -: There Are No Awliya, Mawla, Naseer, Or Wali Other Than Allah:.” Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Indeed, those who have believed and emigrated and fought with their wealth and lives in the cause of Allah and those who gave shelter and aided - they are Awliyah (allies, supporter, protectors) of one another. But those who believed and did not emigrate - for you there is no Wilayat (guardianship) of them until they emigrate. And if they seek help of you for the religion, then you must help, except against a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty. And Allah is Seeing of what you do.” [Ref: Q8:72] This verse indicates some Muslims are Awliya (protectors/supporters) of other Muslims. 8.0 – No Ilah As Mawla And Zaheer Except Allah, Muslims, Gibrail Are Mawla And Zaheer: You wrote: “Allah reminds the believers: “And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your Mawla (protector) - (what) an Excellent Mawla and (what) an Excellent Helper (Naseer)!” (Quran: 8:40)” You would have noticed by now that I have avoided refuting you by CONTRADICTION, your evidence VS my evidence. Instead I have contextualized your evidence in light of Quran FIRST and IF needed then Ahadith. I would prefer to continue without CONTRADICTION methodology but to continue to do so would require great deal of research on subject from Quran, Tafasir, and Ahadith etc. Hence on this Ayah I will indulge in contradiction. (i) There is no Ilah/Rabb as Mawla and Zaheer except Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). (ii) Looking at the heading of section where you quoted this Ayah it is obvious you believe ONLY Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is Mawla: " Fifth Argument -: There Are No Awliya, Mawla, Naseer, Or Wali Other Than Allah:” This is contradicted by Ayah: “If you two (wives) repent to Allah, (it is best), for your hearts have deviated. But if you cooperate against him - then indeed Allah is his Mawla (protector) and Gabrie,l and the righteous of the believers, and the angels, moreover, are (his) assistants.” [Ref: Q66:4] This verse establishes there are creations which are Mawla (protectors) and Zaheer (helpers, supporters). 9.0 – Mushrikeen And Ahlul Kitab Have No Wali, Or Naseer With Allah: You wrote: “Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and (that) you have not besides Allah any Wali (protector) or any helper?” (Quran: 2:107)” (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says in Ayah 105: “Neither those who disbelieve from the People of the Scripture nor the polytheists wish that any good should be sent down to you from your Lord. But Allah selects for His mercy whom He wills, and Allah is the possessor of great bounty.” [Ref: Q2:105] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) mentions Ahlul Kitab and Mushrikeen hence it is natural that in Ayah 107 Ahlul Kitab and Mushrikeen are being addressed: “Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and (that) you have not besides Allah any Wali (protector) or any Naseer (helper)?”” [Ref: Q2:107] In the following section we will see who the Mushrikeen took as Wali and Naseer. (ii) Following Ayah collectively refers to Mushrikeen of Arabia saying you took Awliyah (plural of Wali😞 “Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors (Awliyah) besides Him (say to Muslims) "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah ...” [Ref: 39:3] Each Arabian tribe typically believed in one idol-god as a Wali in court of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and claimed we worship it to get closer to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Indeed, you (polytheists) and what you worship other than Allah are the firewood of Hell. You will be coming to (enter) it. Had these (false deities) been (actual) gods, they would not have come to it, but all are eternal therein.” [Ref: 21:98] Further more Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says Mushrikeen took their idol-gods as gods because they thought they will be helped by them: “But they have taken besides Allah (false) deities that perhaps they would be helped. They are not able to help them, and they (themselves) are for them soldiers in attendance.” [Ref: Q36:75/76] This evidence indicates Mushrikeen believed their idol-gods are Wali and Naseer (i.e. helpers, supporters) in court of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). This is one reason due to which Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and (that) you have not besides Allah any Wali (protector) or any Naseer (helper)?”” [Ref: Q2:107] 9.1 – Detailed Explanation Of Ayah Q2:107, No Wali, Naseer Whatsoever: This Ayah was revealed MAINLY in regards to Jews who rejected the abrogation but Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) mentioned Mushrikeen along them: “Neither those who disbelieve from the People of the Scripture nor the polytheists wish that any good should be sent down to you from your Lord.” [Ref: Q2:105] The commentators have FOCUSED on MAIN TARGET OF AYAH and have ignored commenting on the incidental addition (i.e. Mushrikeen). I will elaborate on INCIDENTAL MENTION. (i) In the Ayah Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) mentions that Mulk of all that is in the skies and earth belongs to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala😞 “Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and …” [Ref: Q2:107] This is because the Mushrikeen ascribed to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) many partners as gods, about whom Mushrikeen believed, Ilahs were subordinates of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) but shared with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) MULK. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: "He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion: it is He who created all things, and ordered them in due proportions. Yet have they taken, besides him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can they control death nor life nor resurrection." [Ref: Q25:2/3] In following Ayah Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says IF there were many gods exercising their powers in His Mulk instead of the One and Only Ilah than there would have been confusion due to lack of coordination between many gods: “Or have men taken for themselves gods from the earth who can resurrect/create? If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!” [Ref: Q21:21/22] Or the chaos and confusion could have been caused by warring gods as following Ayah indicates: “Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any god (partnering Him in His dominion). (If there had been), then each god would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe (concerning Him).” [Ref: Q23:91] Lesson being imparted is that universe is working, Earth is working in harmony as created by Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) because there is NO GOD EXCEPT Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and He alone has RULE over DOMINION OF UNIVERSE AND EARTH. (ii.i)Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) refutes SUBORDINATE partners gods notion with rational argument which Mushrikeen of Arabia could not reject or challenge: “He sets forth for you a parable from your own-selves: Do you have partners among those whom your right hands possess (i.e your slaves) to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you - you fear them as you fear each other? Thus do We explain the signs in detail to a people who have sense.” [Ref: 30:28] Just as slave is not equal in wealth/property of his master so is not EQUAL any god which Mushrikeen ascribed to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) as a partner. (ii.ii) Allah establishes rational and intellectual senselessness in creed of Mushrikeen by establishing man under authority of many supervisors disputing with each other is heading for a chopping block due to earning wrath of one or the other supervisor: “Allah puts forth a similitude: a (slave) man belonging to many partners (like those who worship others along with Allah) disputing with one another, and a (slave) man belonging entirely to one master. Are those two equal in comparison? All the praises and thanks be to Allah! But most of them know not.” [Ref: 39:29] It is important to note disagreeing supervisors will be giving contradictory orders, man receiving instructions will be under extreme DIFFICULTY, because it will be impossible for him to SATISFY please of each supervisor. In contrast there is a man under command of one master – man answerable to him alone. The connection with Tawheed is that IF there were many DISPUTING GODS exercising powers in MULK of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) than one man would have be answerable to many GODS. That one poor man will have to SATISFY and PLEASE all the disputing GODS, shouting at him CONTRADICTORY orders, all wanting him to obey ME, or get consequences. Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) than establishes man answerable to the One and the Only Ilah has no such problem. With this example Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) rationally establishes senselessness of polytheistic creed system and at the same time indicates that it is better for Mushrikeen to adopt Tawheed and reject polytheistic notion of many gods exercising authority in the Mulk (Dominion) of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). (ii.iii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favors from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah. But most of them understand not.” [Ref: 16:75] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) in context of Ayah Q16:75 indicates an idol-god believed to be a subject of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala), is believed to be subjected to authority of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala), and is believed to possess no INDEPENDENT power is not EQUAL to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). The reason is that Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is FREE to exercise authority privately and publicly in His Mulk (i.e. Dominion). He is able to bestow when, to who, how much as He likes and none can prevent Him. In the next Ayah Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Allah sets forth (another) Parable of two men: one of them dumb, with no power of any sort; a wearisome burden is he to his master; whichever way be directs him, he brings no good: is such a man equal with one who commands Justice, and is on a Straight Way?“ [Ref: 16:76] In this Ayah Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) indicates they’re dead not alive-ness, and how idol-gods are a useless burden, bringing no good to their worshipper, regardless how idol-gods are stationed, or beseeched by Mushrikeen. Than Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) questions the Mushrikeen: Is such idol-god equal to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) who commands JUSTICE and is on a STRAIGHT PATH: “Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord is on a path (that is) straight.” [Ref: Q11:56] Logically and rationally sound answer is, no idol-gods of Mushrikeen are not EQUAL to Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) as demonstrated by Q16:75 is able to exercise His power in His Mulk and idol-gods as demonstrated in greater detail in verse Q17:76 have no power, or right whatsoever in the Mulk of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). (iii) You quoted: “… and (that) you have not besides Allah any Wali (protector) or any Naseer (helper)?” [Ref: Q2:107] Allah records creeds of Mushrikeen: “Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors (Awliyah) besides Him (say to Muslims) "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah ...” [Ref: Q39:3] “But they have taken besides Allah (false) deities that perhaps they would be helped. They are not able to help them, and they (themselves) are for them soldiers in attendance.” [Ref: Q36:75/76] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “… and (that) you have not besides Allah any Wali (protector) or any Naseer (helper)?” [Ref: Q2:107] This means O Mushrikeen with Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) you have no Wali (i.e. plural Awliyah) or Naseer (i.e. helper) not even the idol-gods. Allah says: “Indeed, you (polytheists) and what you worship other than Allah are the firewood of Hell. You will be coming to (enter) it. Had these (false deities) been (actual) gods, they would not have come to it, but all are eternal therein.” [Ref: Q21:98] (iv) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and …” [Ref: Q2:107] In relationship to Mushrikeen, Ayah is negating existence of and gods exercising authority in MULK (i.e. dominion, kingdom) of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Allah further (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “… and (that) you have not besides Allah any Wali (protector) or any helper?” [Ref: Q2:107] Here Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) reminds the Mushrikeen that they have no beside-Allah, i.e. idol-god, as a Wali or Naseer. In conclusion Taskhsees (i.e. restriction) of this Ayah indicates Mushrikeen have no one out of their GODS exercising authority in MULK of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) nor they have GODS as a Wali (i.e. protector) or Naseer (i.e. helper). (v) Readers should understand that Takhsees (i.e. restriction) does not limit the Umum (i.e. generality) of an Ayah. Rather it clarifies an aspect without negating others. In this light it is important to point out that the preposition of second min, in min dun illahi min-waliyuv wala Naseer, is to add EXTRA EMPHASIS – conveys complete/absolute negation. Second min is negating every type of Wali and Naseer for Mushrikeen including human, Jinn, angels, not just false-gods. Same applies to Jews, they have no Wali, or Naseer whatsoever, not Prophets, not their Rabbi’s, not Jinn, not angels, none whatsoever – not even Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is Wali and Naseer of Muslims: “Allah is the Wali (Guardian) of the believers—He brings them out of darkness and into light. As for the disbelievers, their guardians are Taghoot who lead them out of light and into darkness. It is they who will be the residents of the Fire. They will be there forever.” [Ref: Q2:257] “Allah named you "Muslims" before (in former scriptures) and in this (revelation) that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah. He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the Naseer (helper).” [Ref: Q22:78] (vi) The immediate context of Ayah and other evidences establish the Ayah in discussion was revealed in context of non-Muslims, namely Ahlul Kitab and Mushrikeen. I need not remind you the words of Abdullah Ibn Umar (radiallah ta’ala anhu) who said: "And the statement of Allah: 'Allah will not mislead a people after He has guided them, until He makes clear to them what to avoid.' (9:115) And Ibn Umar used to consider them (the Khawarij and the Mulhidun) the worst of Allah's creatures and said: "These people took some verses that had been revealed concerning the disbelievers and interpreted them as describing the believers.” [Ref: Bukhari, Book 88, Chapter6: Killing al-Khawarij and Mulhideen, here, scribd here.] 9.2 – Allah, His Messenger, Believers Are Wali And Naseer Of Believers: (i) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Verily, your Wali (protector) is none other than Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, those who perform Salat, and give Zakat, and they are those who bow down.” [Ref:Q5:55] This Ayah negates refutes your claim that we Muslims have no Wali. (ii) Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Indeed, those who have believed and emigrated and fought with their wealth and lives in the cause of Allah and those who gave shelter and aided (nasaru) - they are allies (Awliya) of one another. But those who believed and did not emigrate - for you there is no guardianship of them until they emigrate. And if they ...” [Ref: Q8:72] Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says He is Khayrun Nasireen (i.e. best of helpers/supporters) in following Ayah: “But Allah is your protector, and He is the best of helpers.” [Ref: Q3:150] This indicates there are many Naseer but Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is BEST and above all. Hence the Muslims (i.e. the companions) of Madinah are Naseer in light of Ayah Q8:72. (iii) Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said added CLAUSE to indicate who ELSE can be deemed a Muhajir: “Narrated Abdullah bin Amr: The Prophet said, "A Muslim is the one who avoids harming Muslims with his tongue and hands. And a Muhajir (emigrant) is the one who gives up (abandons) all what Allah has forbidden." [Ref: Bukhari, B2, H10, here.] This extends the honour of being a Muhajir, and grants Wilaya (guardianship) to ALL Muslims who have held to teaching of Islam to present. 9.3 – Short Contextual Explanation OF Q2:107, And Wali/Naseer OF Muslims: Your quoted Ayah to argue Muslims have no Wali/Naseer: “Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and (that) you have not besides Allah any Wali (protector) or any Naseer (helper)?” [Ref: Q2:107] (i) Yet it means: O Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) say to them that do you the Ahlul Kitab (i.e. Jews, Christians) and Mushrikeen not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of what is in the space and earth and you do not have instead of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) any Wali or any Naseer? The interrogative nature Ayah insinuates that both are aware of this reality. As an example - Mushrikeen sought His protection during storms at sea and sought His support to land SAFELY on land. (ii.i) In context of Jews DENYING abrogation Ayah insinuates – THREAT: You Jews are aware Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is able to exercise power over all that is in the SKY and EARTH. You’re already aware that instead of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) you have no protector (Wali) to protect you, nor you have a supporter (Naseer) to support you against command of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) IF He was to INFLICT you with a punishment originating from SKIES/EARTH . (ii.ii) In context of Jews DENYING abrogation Ayah insinuates – REMINDER: You Jews are aware Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is ABLE over so much and how He exercises His authority in the SKY and EARTH – His authority is ALL-INCLUSIVE hence He is not powerless over ABROGATION. (iii) I wanted to expand what the INSINUATIONS are about Mushrikeen but I will abstain. (iv)Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) has confirmed that Muslims have Wali/Naseer: “Verily, your Wali (protector) is none other than Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, those who perform Salat, and give Zakat, and they are those who bow down.” [Ref:Q5:55] “But Allah is your protector, and He is the best of helpers.” [Ref: Q3:150] 10.0 – Shirk Is Unforgiveable Sin, And Voids Good Deeds, And Your Invitation: You wrote: “Shirk Is Not Forgiven And It Invalidates All Deeds: Allah said only sin He does not forgive is Shirk: “Indeed, ...” (Quran 4:48) “Indeed, Allah does not forgive association (Shirk) with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And ...” (Quran 4:116) Shirk also voids all deeds: “That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah, then worthless for them would be whatever they were doing.” (Quran 6:88) This seriousness of Shirk is what has led me to contact you to discuss Istighathah. In light of Quran and Sunnah Istighathah is pure Shirk and worship of Ghayrullah. Allah says: “Say: "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah." But ..." (Quran 3:64) Likewise I extend the invitation to you and ask you to not to worship any creation except Allah and not to commit Shirk with Him.” (i) It is true that major Shirk is UNFORGIVEABLE and it invalidates all good deeds void. (ii) You have not proven your claim: “In light of Quran and Sunnah Istighathah is pure Shirk and worship of Ghayrullah.” Worship has two essential components, CREED and INTENTION. Creed – X is worthy of worship i.e. Ilah, i.e. Mabud, i.e. god. Intention – To make plan in heart/mind to worship X. In Istighathah no one BELIEVES a Wali, or Nabi is Ilah i.e. worthy/deserving of worship, and in heart/mind has no plan to worship through words, or actions. Hence there was and is no WORSHIP in Istighathah. IF anyone seeks help in Istighathah from a Nabi/Wali with CREED, INTENTION required to warrant worship than worship has occurred warranting major KUFR and major Shirk has occurred due to CREED. Istighathah as practiced by Muslims is in accordance with Tawheed and you saying it is pure Shirk and worship of Ghayrullah indicates TOTAL ignorance of what establishes Tawheed, and what establishes Shirk. (iii) You quoted Ayah revealed about Ahlul Kitab to invite me to; believe in Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) I already believe in, and to worship the One and the Only Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) I already worship, and to reject Shirk I already have rejected. The reality is that you have not invited me to worship of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) or to Quran and Sunnah. Instead you invited me to Khariji Jahiliyyah and your ignorance of Tawheed and Shirk. You would not accept, I believe in Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) as my One, the Only Ilah and Rabb, until I have accepted your Kharijism as my religion. You’re inviting me to TAKFIR of those who do not ascribe Ilahiyyah/Rububiyyah to any creature. You’re inviting me to make TAKFIR of those who do not have any INTENTION to, or EVER intend to worship anyone except Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). You’re ONLY inviting me to your Kharijism and Kufr. As a Muslim I reject it and choose religion of Islam above your Kharijism - Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says: “Whoever seeks a way other than Islam, it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers.” [Ref: Q3:85] 11.0 - Final Word, Last Refutation, And Why You’re Upon Kharijism: You wrote in the beginning: “Istighathah, Its Types, And The Rulings: Istighathah means to request help. I will define types Istighathah and share ruling on each: (1) To call upon other-than Allah for a need, such as rain … while believing that the one being addressed will answer the call is Shirk. (2) To call upon other-than Allah for a need, such as rain … while believing that only Allah will answer the call is Shirk. (3) To call upon other-than Allah asking them to intercede for us with Allah is also Shirk. (4) To call upon the Prophet asking him to make Dua to Allah on our behalf is Shirk.” (i) In your entire 6th MAIL response you did not quote any evidence to substantiate claims you made in the beginning. (ii) Evidence you provided has no DIRECT/EXPLICIT connection with ISTIGHATHAH being Shirk. What you resorted to is to turn BROAD GENERALIZATIONS IN VERSES against Istighathah; that too without considering CREED and INTENTION of practitioners of Istighathah; and of those whom the verses were revealed about – i.e. Mushrikeen. These are CRITICAL components which make or break your argument and evidence against Muslims. (iii) Verses you EMPLOYED against Muslims were revealed in regards to Mushrikeen and they invoked those they believed as Ilahs – worthy of worship - gods, and invoked them with intention and desire of worship, as following Ayah is evidence: “Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors (Awliyah) besides Him (say to Muslims) "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah ...” [Ref: 39:3] We the Muslims do not INVOKE anyone other than Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) with intention of worship, nor we believe anyone is Ilah, Ma’bud, deserving of worship, god, or Rabb except Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). Hence your application of verses revealed in regards to Mushrikeen upon Muslims has no relevance to our creed and action. Instead, due to your persistent methodological misapplication OF DISBELIEVER’S VERSES upon Muslims I am justified in saying; you’re upon the methodology of FIRST apostates, the Khawarij, and you are from them: “Abu Jafr al-Tabri in Kitab Tahzeeb ul-Athaar heard from; Yunus, Ibn Wahb, Amr Ibn al-Harith told me, Bakira (Ibn Abdullah bin A’shj) told me that he enquired/wondered what is opinion of Ibn Umar regarding Harurriyah (i.e. Khawarij). He said they are the worst of creatures in creation of Allah because they applied verses revealed for disbelievers upon righteous-believers.” [Ref: Taghleeq al-Ta’leeq Alas-Sahih ul-Bukhari, Vol5, Page259, here.] Wama alayna ilal balagh ul-mubeen. Muhammed Ali

Salam alaykum Behan Kafir aur Musalman kissi ko nafrat ya muhabbat ki bunyad par nahin tehraya jata. Har Shia Kafir nahin aur har Shia Musalman bi nahin. Aik giro Shia kehlata heh un ko Nusairi kehtay hen yeh sab Mushrik kafir hen yeh giro Hazrat Ali ko Rabb aur Allah manta heh. In ki kufria Shirkia video aap youtube par dekh sakti hen. Shia ka aik giro Quran kay kamil mukammil bila tarmeem o takhfeef tahreef shuda nahin manta balkay nazria rakht heh asli Quran in ka ghaar mein chuppa betha (aik dajjal) jissay yeh Imam Mahdi ka naam detay hen us kay pass heh aur jab wo ahay ga to saath lahay ga. Yeh giro bi kafir heh. Phir Ijma e Ummat ka munkir bi Kafir heh ... Hazrat Abu Bakr as-Sadeeq kay mansub Khalifa par ijma e Ummat sabat heh jo is ka munkir heh Kafir heh. Joh azwaj e rasoolAllah ko ghaali deh Sahaba e RasoolAllah ki aksirat ko Kafir kahay, jin kay baray mein Quran mein aya tum sab say behtreen ummat ho ... Us ummat e Sahaba ko Kafir kahay ... Khud Kafir kesay nahin kesay munkir nahin Quran ka. Aisa har Shia bila shak o shuba Kafir heh keun kay aisi baat karta heh aur aisi jhooti baat ko sach bata heh joh ayaat Quran kay khilaaf heh. Yehni Sahaba kafir hen ... Waghayra ... Jin ko Allah nay sab ummatoon mein behtreen tehraya uneh kafir kehta heh ... Ham har Shia kay Kafir honay kay qail nahin ... Uzr bil jahl bi heh ... Yehni jin logoon ko asal islam pouncha hi nahin ... Jesa aur joh islam kay naam kay tor pouncha maan leeya un ko ham Kafir nahin kehtay.

mein sunni hun magr mein ya poochna chahun gi ke jo log kehte hain ke kisi ke bap ka badla uske bete or bete ka bap pr nahi lia jaa skta ya quran kehta hai to ap kis trh shia ko bua keh skte ho unse itni nafrat Q? unko kia jawab dena chahiye?? .... anyone ??

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Salam alaykum. Brother i will be more than happy to help. I have read your message. Once i get to my PC tonight i will discuss with you all details. Jazakallah. I apologise for late reply.

Hello Mr. Muhammad Ali, I am trying to reach you and I am writing from Turkey. For nearly ten years, I followed a Wahhabi/Najdi mindset, and I have only recently managed to distance myself from it. While searching online, I came across your writings on these issues and benefited from them greatly. However, I sincerely wish to contact you directly, as I have several questions that I would like to ask. Unfortunately, in my country I cannot find reliable resources or guidance on these matters, especially in my own language. Almost everything I found was through English sources. I am going through a difficult process and genuinely want to learn these issues properly and free myself completely from my former misconceptions. If it is not a problem for you, I would be very grateful for your help and for the opportunity to ask you my questions. Thank you very much for your time and consideration. Kind regards,

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