Sybarite

Chaliye ye baat aap ki theek. Pehlay dalail ka taiyunn kar lijiye phir jawabat dijiye ga. Aankhein khool kar parhiye meri post ko. Mein ne pehlay aap se sawal kiya, na ke koi ilzaam lagaya. Aap ne pehli line quote kartay howay bhi khayanat ki aur doosri line quote kartay howay bhi! Pehli line mukammal tour per iss tarah thi; "Kya aap ke nazdeek Quran mehfooz nahi? Kya aap ke nazdeek hadith mehfooz nahi? Simple haa ya naa mein jawab dijiye ga." Iss line mien na tu koi ilzaam hai na fatwa na kuch aur. Seedha sa sawal hai jisay aap apnay zehni fitoor ki bina per samajhnay se qasir rahay. Aur agay jo aap ne meri post se line quote ki woh aap ki iss baat ke isbaat mein thi; "Sirif ek Quraan Pak hai jo sari dunia janti hai 1400 saal sey ek lafaz bhi na tabdeel hua or na kabhi hoga kio key Allah Taala apni aakhiri kitab Quraan Pak ki hifazat farma raha hai." Aur iss ke jawab mein meri kahi howi baat ko quote kartay howay aap ne doosri baar khayanat ki aur aadhori baat quote ki. Poora line parhnay ki zehmat kar letay tu baat samajh aa jati; "Chaliye shukar Quran-e-Karim ko tu aap ne maan liya, ab aiye Quran ke tarjumay ki taraf." Soo iss sab ka masqad ye tha ke Quran ko aap mehfooz samajhtay hain ye humien maloom ho gaya, ab baat kjiye tarajim ki. Iss pooray mouzo mein kahi koi ilzaam tha hi nahi siray se jis per aap bekaar ka wawaila kar ke asal topic se door janay ki koshish kar rahay hain. Aap ne sirf aur sirf baat ko ghool gool ghumanay ke liye "Fatwa laga lar wapis lena, adhoori baat se matlab nikalna" jaisi bekaar baatein kar ke phir sabit kar dya ke aap siwaye bekaar ki baatein kar ke topic ko toul denay ke ilawa kuch nahi kar saktay! Aap ne ab tak kisi kitab ka hawala diya hi kaha hain janab? Aap tu abhi tak bus apnay zehn se misaalay hi paish kartay aye hain. Koi thoos saboot, koi mustanadd hawala tu abhi tak paish kiya nahi aap ne. Hawala'jaat ko parakhnay ka asaan tareeqa hai ke Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat se parh lijiye. Ab aap agar kisi deobandi/wahabi ka janib'darana aur ghalat hawala paish karein gay tu zahir hai humein qubool nahi hoga. Ikhtilaafi masail mein hawala'jaat apnay ghar ke alimo ke nahi diye jatay balkay unn ulema ke diye jatay hain jinhay mukhalif bhi mustanadd samajhta ho. Maslan agar kisi deobandi se baat kartay howay agar mein Shah Abdul Haq Muhaddish Dehalvi ka hawala paish karta hon tu woh uss ka radd nahi kar saktay ke khud deobandi ulema ki sanad unn se milti hai. Ab isi tarah agar deobandi humein Ala Hazrat ki tasaneef se hawala deta hai tu humaray liye mustanadd hoga. Lekin agar koi deobandi humein Qasim Nanotwi ka hawala de kar apni baat manwana chahay ga tu hum woh hawala radd kar dein gay kyu ke humaray nazdeek Qasim Nanotwi mustanadd nahi. So aap koshish kar ke aisay ulema ke hawalajaat paish karein jo humaray nazdeek mustanadd hon. Aur apna bhi bata dijiye ke aap ke nazdeek kaun mustanadd hai aur kaun nahi. Quran-e-Karim sirf Arbi literature tu hai nahi ke jis kisi ko bhi Arbi zaban per uboor hasil ho woh samajh jaye. Quran ko samajhnay ke liye sirf Arbi zaban ka aajana kaafi nahi hai! Quran ki taleemat ko samajhnay ke liye Imaan ki zaroorat hoti hai. Aur Imaan sirf Arabs ki miraas nahi. Arabi zaban ka kya hai woh tu Iblees ko bhi aati hai! So agar Quran ke tarjumay ko parkhna ho tu simply Akabir Ulema ki tafasir aur tarjumay jo ke sari dunya ke nazdeek mustanadd hain un se parh lein. Quran se kya sabit hai kya nahi ye kaisay maloom karein gay? Aap ko tu Arabi aati nahi aur agar aati bhi tu bhi ye zaroori nahi ke Quan ki taleemat bhi samajh aa gai hon. Tu zahir hai Quran ko samajhnay ke liye bhi ulema se rijoo tu karna hi paray ga. Aur ye jo aap ne likha ke "Quran mein Allah ke wazeh ihkamat inn aqeedo ke khilaaf hain" tu yaha aap ki "INN AQEEDO" se kya muraad hai? Kaun se aqaid ki baat kar rahay hain khull kar bayan kijiye. Allah hi janay ke aap sach mein iss qadar aqal se paidal hain ya jaan boojh kar baat ko samajhna nahi chahtay. Apni pichli post parhiye, aap sirf issi baat per roye jaa rahay thay ke dalail-o-saboot buzurgan-e-deen ki kutb se nahi don ga ke uss mein tabdeeli ho sakti hai balkay Quran-o-Hadith se don ga jo ke mehfooz hai. Tu issi liye mein ne aap ko dobara samjhana chaha ke miya jee, aap se koi zoor zabardasti nahi ke aap ulema ki kutb se hi hawala dein aur kahi se naa dein. Humaray tu seedha sa mutaliba hai ke Quran-o-Hadith AUR Aqwal-e-Aimma se hawalajaat paish karein. Agar Aqwal-e-Aimma se hawalajaat paish karne se aap mutma'inn nahi tu Quran-o-Hadith tu hai na.. ussi se baat kar lijiye. ye beech mein AUR ka lafz aap ko samajh nahi aya tha shayad iss liye wazahat ki thi. Pehli baat tu ye ke jab tak aap apnay aqaid ko Ahle'Sunnat wa Jamat ke mutabiq sabit nahi kar dete mujhe "bhai" kehnay se guraiz karien. Isay koi zaati dushmani na samajhiye ga, imaan ka taqaza yehi hai ke bad'mazhabo se taluqaat na barhaye jaye. Meri samajh nahi aata ke mein issay aap ki be'waqoofi kaho, jahalat kaho ya phir gumrahi. Mujhe sirf ye bataiye ke Islam ka kaun sa qanoon ye kehta hai ke jisay Arabi zaban per uboor ho ussay Quran ki taleemat bhi samajh aa jaye gi. Aap se pehlay bhi kaafi baar ye seedha sa sawal poocha lekin aap jawab dene se katraatay hain. Seedha sa sawal hai dobara likhay deta hon. Iss baat ki kya zamanat hai ke jis shakhs ko Arabi zaban per mukammal uboor hasil ho ussay Quran ki taleemat bhi poori tarah se samajh aajati hain. Abu Jahl Arabi hi tha na? Ussay kyu na samajh aie Quran ki taleemat? Agar sirf Arabi zaban samajh lenay se Quran ki taleemat samajh aajati tu her Arabi Aalim hota. Tu phir kaisay keh saktay hain ke Quran-e-Karim ko samajhnay mein ghair'Arab Ulema se hi ghalti howi hai? Aap ne kitnay Arab Ulema ki kutb/tafasir/shurohaat parhi hain jo aap ko ye maloom ho gaya ke Arab Ulema mein aqaid ke silsilay mein koi bara ikhtilaaf nahi? Baraye'meherbaani unn Ulema aur unn ki kutb ke naam bata dijiye. Mein aakhir mein aap ki asani ke liye dobara iss zaman mein matloob jawabat ke sawalat likh raha hon. Inn ka jawab zaroor dijiye ga. 1. Kya Quran-e-Pak ko samajhnay ke sirf Arabi zaban per uboor hasil hona kaafi hai? 2. Islam ka kaun sa qanoon ye kehta hai ke jisay Arabi zaban per uboor ho ussay Quran ki taleemat bhi samajh aa jaye gi? 3. Abu'Jahl Arabi tha tu phir usay Quran ki taleemat kyu samajh na aiee? 4. Aap ne kitnay Arab Ulema ki kutb/tafasir/shurohaat parhi hain jis se aap ko maloom ho gaya ke Arab ulema mein ikhtilafaat nahi? Unn Ulema aur Kutb ke naam likh dijiye. Number wise issi tarteeb se in seedhay se sawalo ka seedha sa jawab dijiye ga. Lambay chooray tabsaray ki zaroorat nahi. Koshish kar ke jitna seedha sawal hai utna hi seedha jawab dijiye ga. Bilkul Islam ke dushman musalmano ko gumrah karne ke liye Ulema ki kitabo mein tehreef kar saktay hain balkay kar chukay hain. Lekin tehreef ko pakra bhi jata hai. Zahir hai ke Ulema ki asal kitabain mojoud hain tabhi koi unn mein tehreef karay ga. Tu agar tehreef ki jati hai tu ihl-e-ilm jinho ne asli kitabein parhi hai, unn mein se koi na koi uss tehreef ko zaroor pakar hi leta hai. Sirf aik andaishay ki bina per ke "tehreef ki jaa sakti hai" aap kisi bhi kitab ko na'qabil-e-qubool qaraar nahi de saktay. Agar aap ko shakk hai tu tehqeeq kijiye aur agar tehreef hai tu saboot paish kar ke apna mouqif sabit kijiye. Ye usool Ahle'Sunna wa Jamat ke tamaam ulema ka hai. Farq sirf itna hai ke kuch bad'mazhab logo ko gumrah karnay ke liye Sahi aur Jayaz Aqaid ko bhi Quran-o-Sunnat ke khilaaf qaraar detay hain aur Ihl-e-Haqq unn ki sazish ko be'naqaab karnay ke liye Quran-o-Hadith se dalail-o-saboot paish kar ke iss tarah jhoota ilzamat ka radd kartay hain. Alhumdulillah mujhay aap ki baat samajhnay mein kahi bhi ghalti nahi howi aur agar howi bhi tu yaha mojoud mere hum'maslak bhai mujhay zaroor samjha dein gay. Baat tu aap ko samajh nahi aati ya phir shayad aap jaan boojh kar samajhna nahi chahtay. Mein nay jo likha usay dobara parhiye ghour se; "Ab Allah nay pichli tamaam asmaani kitabo ko khud mansukh kar ke Quran-e-Karim nazil farma di tu phir ye ilzaam tu be'tukka sa hi hoga ke aaj ke musalmaan pichlay Anbiya ki taleemat ke khilaaf jaa rahay hain." Mein ne ye nahi kaha ke "aap ilzam laga rahay hain" ya "aap ka ilzam be'tukka hai". Mein ne sirf itna likha hai ke agar koi iss tarah ka ilzam lagata hai tu aisa ilzaam be'tukka hoga. Aap ne mujh se sawal kiya ke "To kia Musalman per ye Ilzam lagey ga key aap kisi Paghember key Ehkamat key munkar hain ?"Aur issi ke jawab mein ne likha ke aisa ilzaam lagana be'tukki si baat hogi! Ab aap ye bataiye ke jab mein aap se kaha hi nahi ke aap ya koi bhi aisa ilzaam laga raha hai tu phir aap kyu roye jaa rahay hain ke kis ne aisa kaha aur waisa kaha! Pehli baat tu ye zehn nasheen kar lijiye ke aap ne ab tak Milad ke tareeqay per aiteraaz kya hai ne ke Milad ke jawaz per. So ye aiteraaz Aqaid per nahi balkay Aamal per howa. Milad per humara mouqif ye hai ke Milad her mulk her sheher mein apnay rehn'sehn aur rasm-o-riwaj ke hisaab se manai jati hai. Jis tarah deegar Islami mamoolat tamam mumamlik mein apnay apnay andaz mein kiye jatay hain. Iss ki kuch misalaien aap ko baar baar de chuka jis per aap ne zaban kholnay ki himmat kabhi nai ki. Jaisa ke Eid-ul-Adha ke mamolaat. Eid-ul-Adha jis andaz mein Pak-o-Hind mein manai jati hai iss tarah tamaam dunya mein nahi manai jaati. Tu phir jo mouqiff aap Milad ke baray mein ikhtiyaar kar rahay hain wohi mouqiff Eid-ul-Adha ke baray mein bhi ikhtiyaar kijiye aur kahiye ke Pak-o-Hind ke Musalman deegar mumalik se alag andaz mein Eid-ul-Fitr manatay hain. Ye aap ka khullda dooghla'pana hai! Iss ke liye aap alehda topic create kar saktay hain. Usooli tareeqa ye hai ke pehlay aap apna mouqif Quran-o-Hadith se paish kijiye ke kis tarah kin dalail-o-saboot se "Allah ke siwa kisi doosray se madad mangna jayaz nahi". Yaha ye baat zehn mein rakhiye ga ke humaray aqeeda ye hai ke "Allah ke siwa Allah ke mehboob bando se iss niyyat se madad maangi jaa sakti ke woh Allah ki aataa-o-raza se bando madad kartay hain na ke apni zaati quwwat se" aur issi ke jawaz per hum dalail dein gay. Agar koi ye kahay ke fala fala Allah ke marzi ke baghair apni zaat se madad kar sakta hai tu hum iss ka radd kartay hain ke ye aqeeda batil hai. Injeel se humein koi lena dena hi nahi kyu ke Allah ne Quran-e-Karim nazil farma kar pichli tamaam asmaani kitabo ko mansukh farma diya. Humaray reh'numai ke liye Quran hai na ke Injeel. Jo cheez mansukh ho chuki uss se istadlaal karna ghalat hai so uss mein tehreef ho ya na ho uss se humaray aqaid per koi farq nahi parta. Aap khud dekh lijiye aap ne kis baat ko quote kar ke kya jawab diya. Mein ne baat ki makatib-e-fikr aur unn ke ulema ki kitabo ki aur aap jawab de rahay hain Injeel per. Meri post ka jo hissa aap ne quote kya pehlay dekh lijiye ke woh aap ki kis baat ka jawab tha. Jaha tak baat hai Ulema ki kitabo ki, tu unn ki original kitabein mojoud hain. Ajeeb hi mantak hai aap ki. Agar mein aap ko Wald-e-Haram keh do aur aap mujh se aakar poochain ke aisa kyu kaha aur uss ke jawab mein taweel doo ke mera ye nahi ye matlab tha tu kya aap ko tassali ho jaye gi aur aap apnay aap ko Wald-e-Haram kehlwa lein gay? Rahi baat Darul Uloom aur unn ke fatwo ki tu iss forum per "Marsia-e-Gangohi" per poora topic mojoud hai woh parh lijiye. Aap ko baat samajh aa jaye gi. Be'tukki baat ko be'tukka hi samjha jata hai. Aap kis baat ka jawab maang rahay hain meri samajh nahi aya. Baraye'mehrbaani apni woh lines quote kar dein ke jin ka jawab aap ko nahi mila. Meri kis baat se aap ko ye ihsaas ho raha hai ke Font size ki wajah se mujhe aap ki baat ko samajhnay mein dushwari ho rahi hai? Mein ne tu aisa kuch nahi kaha. Aur waisay bhi kisi baat ko samajhne ke liye font size nahi balkay baat karnay ke tareeqay ki zaroorat hoti hai. Mera font size normal hota hai uss ke ba'wajood meri baatein sabhi ki samajh aa rahi hain. So ye lateefay choorna band kijiye! Mein ab ye bhi kehnay se qasir hon ke "Umeed hai iss baar mere sawalaat ka jawab dein gay" kyu ke aik baar nahi baar baar kehnay ke baad mein aap mein koi behtari ki soorat nazar nahi aiee. Bus yehi kaho ga ke koshish kijiye ga jawab dene ki.

Post abhi tak moujod hai parh lijiye dobara. Yaha forum per moujoud tamaam afraad ki aap yehi guzarish rahi hai ke jo sawal kiya jaye ussi ka jawab dein idher udher ki baatein kar ke apna aur humara time barbaad na karein. Sirf apni iss taza tareen post ko hi dekh lijiye. Khalil Rana bhai ki 2 post moujoud hai aur uss mein kafi sawalaat hain aap ki janib. Aap ne kisi 1 ka jawab dene ki bhi zehmat abhi tak nahi ki. Kya aap ke nazdeek Quran mehfooz nahi? Kya aap ke nazdeek hadith mehfooz nahi? Simple haa ya naa mein jawab dijiye ga. Rahi baat buzurgan-e-deen ki kutb se hawalajaat ki aur unn mein doosro ki gai tehreef ki baat tu janab aap kya kehna chah rahay hain, ke jo bhi kitab aap ki mantak ki khilaaf hai woh tehreef shuda hai? Aap ye bataiye ke aap ne Quran-e-Pak ko jo Urdu tarjuma paish kiya woh kya aasmani hai? Hargizz nahi! Quran-e-Pak ke saray tarajim issi dunya ke logo ne likhay, tu aap ki mantak ke mutabiq tu Quran bhi mehfooz na raha so phir aap ko chahiye ke Quran se bhi istadlaal na karein! Aap ki nirali mantak se tu sari dunya mein koi bhi kitab mustanadd na rahay gi! Ahadith bhi nahi, kyu ke Bukhari Shareef mein ahadith ko bhi Imam Bukhari ne jama kya. Aap kal ko kisi maslay per phans gaye tu shayad ye bhi keh dein gay ke Imam Bukhari nay tu apna matlab nikalnay ke liye ahadiths mein tabdeeli kar di! Aur pehlay tu ye bataiye ke mein ne kab aap se sirf aur sirf Buzurgan-e-Deen ki kutb se hawalajaat maangay? Mein tu aap se kab se keh raha hon ke jo bhi baat kartay hain uss per Quran-o-Hadith aur Awliya-e-Kiram ki tafasir-o-tasaneef se hawalajaat paish karein. Aap buzurgan-e-deen ko layk-e-istadlaal nahi samajhtay tu Quran-o-Hadith se hi daleel paish kar dein! Quran-o-Hadith bhi aap ke nazdeek tehreef se mehfooz nahi kya? Even agar Quran-o-Hadith se bhi istadlaal kartay hain tu tafasir ke liye aap ko ulema ki taraf tu jana hi paray ga aur phir wohi baat aa jaye gi ke kis tafsir sahi kis ki ghalat. So iss baat ka bhi taiyunn kar lijiye ke aap ke nazdeek kaun si tafasir aur shurohaat mustanadd hain. Allah ne Quran-e-Pak nazil kar ke pichli tamaam Asmaani kitabo ko mansukh farma diya tu phir pichli kitabo ki taleemat per baat karna kaha ki mantak hai? Aap ki issi tarah ki ghair'mantaki batoo ki wajeh se aap ki post delete ki jati hain. Shia hazrat ki kitabein khool kar ke parh lein. Unn ka apna aqeeda unn ki kitabo mein ye hain ke deen ka 90% hissa taqiya yaani jhoot hai! Ab khud bataiye ke jo banda khud kahay ke mein jhoota hon tu uss ki daleel kyu kar maan li jaye? Shia Hazrat Hazrat Ali (Radi Allahu Anhu) ki taraf jo bhi baatein mansoob kartay hain uss ki sanadd kya hai? Koi nahi tu phir unn ki jhooti baato ko kyu kar mana jaye. Haa jo aqwal Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat ke mutabiq hain unhay hum zaroor mantay hain. Aap kya kehna chah rahay hain janab? Aaj tak kisi bhi Nabi bhi Allah ki ihkamaat ya uss zamanay ki Asmaani kitaab ke khilaf taleemat paish nahi ki. Ab Allah nay pichli tamaam asmaani kitabo ko khud mansukh kar ke Quran-e-Karim nazil farma di tu phir ye ilzaam tu be'tukka sa hi hoga ke aaj ke musalmaan pichlay Anbiya ki taleemat ke khilaaf jaa rahay hain. Hujjat Quran-o-Hadith hai janab! Koi Nabi Allah ke ihkamaat ke khilaaf taleemat de ye tu na'mumkin hai aur issay shayad aap bhi mantay hongay. Rahi baat Awliya-e-Kiram ki tu unn ki aqwal ko Quran-o-Hadith se parakh lijiye. Agar Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat ki khilaf hain tu na'qabil-e-qubool aur khilaaf nahi tu jayaz! Aap ka masla ye hai ke aap sari dunya ke Aimma, Awliya ke aqwaal ko radd karnay per tulay hain lekin inn aqwal ke radd mein aap ke paas Quran-o-Hadith se koi daleel nahi. Agar aap ko lagta hai ke kisi kitab mein tehreef howi hai tu uss tehreef ko sabit bhi kijiye na! Aisa tu honay se raha ke hum Awliya ke aqwaal se hawalajaat paish kartay jaye aur aap sirf ye keh kar unhay radd kartay jaye ke iss mein tehreef howi hai uss mein tehreef howi hai. Jin aasmaani kitabo ko aap roo rahay hain unhay Allah nay hi nazil farmaya aur khud Allah nay hi mansukh farma dya. Tu phir uss per behs karnay ka faida? Jo cheez Allah nay mansuk kardi uss se ab agar koi Esai hawala de ya Muslim, koi faida nahi. Humaray liye kitab nazil howi Quran aur wohi humien rehnumari deti hai. Shia hazrat kya kartay hain woh aap ko un ki kitabein parh kar maloom ho jaye ga. Jin ke aqeeday ka 90% hissa jhoot hai unn se sach ki kya umeed. Chaliye shukar Quran-e-Karim ko tu aap ne maan liya, ab aiye Quran ke tarjumay ki taraf. Aap ko Arabi tu aati nahi tu phir kaisay samjhay gay? Zahir hai tarjumay se, tu tarjuma karnay wala mutarajjim bhi tu tarjumay karne mnein khayanat ya ghalti kar sakta hai jis musalmano ke aqeeday bigar jaye. Tu ab ye bataiye ke kis alim ke tarjuma-e-Quran ko aap sahi mantay hain. Rahi baat kitabo mein tehreef ki ke koi dushman kitab utha kar thori bohut tabdeeli kar ke baqi sab kuch as it is chaap de tu janab zahir hi si baat hai ke asli kitab ko badal kar hi tehreef karay ga. Tu jis alim ne woh kitab likhi, ya agar unn ka intiqaal ho gaya tu unn ke maslak ke logo ke paas asli kitab tu mojoud hogi na. Tu phir agar koi iss tarah ki tehreef shuda kitaab chaap kar market mein de ga tu zahir hai ye Ulema ki zimay'daari hai ke woh uss tehreef shuda kitaab ko radd kar dein aur awaam ko bata dein ke fala fala publisher se chapi howi kitaab mein tehreef hai ussay na parhein aur asli kitaab iss iss publisher ki hai ussay parhein. Humaray maslak ke ulema ke naam se deobandiyo ne kaafi jhooti kitaabein chaap dien jo un ulema ne siray se kabhi likhi hi nahi. Tu hum un kitabo ki khull kar tardeed kartay hain ke ye kitabein jhooti hain. Hadaiq-e-Bakhshish jis per deobandi/wahabi aiteraaz kartay nahi thaktay uss mein bhi tehreef ki gai publisher ki taraf se. Tu humaray Ulema Toubah'nama chapwa kar publically aelaan kar diya ke iss kitab mein chapai ki ghalti howi, kuch ishaar idher se udher ho gaye, aur iss se hum tobah kartay hain (poori tafseel ki hadaiq-e-bakhshihs wala topic dekh lijiye ga) So agar deobandiyo ka koi dushman kisi deobandi alim ki kitaab mein tehreef kar ke chaap deta hai tu zahir hai deobandiyo ke paas tu asli kitaab mojoud hogi. Woh kyu awaam ke samnay nahi boltay ke ye tehreef wali kitaab mein kuch baatein ghalat hai aur asli kitaab se mukhtalif hain? Khair ye aik bilkul alehda topic hai iss per phir kabhi tafseel se baat karein gay. Filhaal batana ye maqsood ke kitab mein tehreef ki jaye tu woh pakri bhi jaati hai. Janab hum ne yaha koi circus tu khoola nahi howa ke jis ka jee chahay munh uthay bakwaas per bakwaas kar ke font size barha kar lambi lambi post karta jaye! Sirf aap ki bolti band karna maqsood hota tu mein aap ki tamaam posts delete kar deta aur ban bhi kar deta. Aqal'mand ke liye ishara kafi hota hai lekin aap ishara kya warnings ke baad bhi nahi samjhay tu zahir hai phir tu post delete honi hi hai. Rahi baat ke loog aap ki zehni position ka andaza laga lein tu uss ke liye aap ki gai posts jo delete nahi howi wohi bohut kaafi hain. Members ke comments already aap ko nazar aa rahay hongay, aisa tu nahi ke mein akela aap se keh raha hon ke aap jawab nahi dete. Iss topic per taqreeban saray hi members ne aap se yehi guzarish ki hai sawal ka jawab dijiye, idher udher ki baatien na karein. Aur aap ki wazahat kis hadd tak ghair'mantaki hai iss ka jawab bhi mein aap ko de chuka. So ya tu ab usooli tour per dalail-o-saboot paish kijiye, ya phir agar aap apni mantak ko sahi samajhtay hain tu ussay sabit kijiye. Mein ne tafseeli tour per aap ki post ka jawab de diya. Ab aap ki baari. Meri batoo ka jawab dene se pehlay Khalil Rana bhai ki posts ka bhi kuch jawab dijiye ga. Naiz aap ne post ke aakhir mein jo scans lagaye hain unn se aap kya sabit karna chahtay hain ye bhi tafseel se likh dijiye takay aap ko uss ka jawab diya jaa sakay. Shukriya.

Pehlay aap wada kar lijiye ke jawab wohi hoga jo poocha gaya na ke jazbaati taqareer. Aur jawab ba'maa hawalajaat-o-dalail hoga, personal experiences ya fala ne ye kaha, ya fala youn kartay hain wali baatein nahi hongi tu yaqeenan aap ki post ko delete nahi kiya jaye ga. Aap ko shayad ye ghalat fehmi hai ke hum aap ki awaaz ko daba rahay hain, lekin agar zara aqal se soochiye tu aisa karne ke liye aap ko iss forum se ban karne mein 2 minute nahi lagtay. Lekin hum aap ko baar baar mouqa diye jaa rahay hain ke shayad ab dhang ka jawab aye! Khair, umeed hai iss baar aap tareeqay se jawab dein gay. Yaad rakhiye, jazbaati taqareer ki ab mazeed koi gunjaish nahi so jo bhi baat dijiye ga dalail-o-saboot ke saath kijiye ga.

Nasir Noman sahab, aap se ab aik hi sawal ka jawab matloob hai. Aap ko ghairat kab aye gi?

Nasir Noman sahab, baray afsoos ke saath phir kehna parr raha hai ke aap ki najanay kitnay ghantay ki mehnat rai'gaa gai. Hum ne aap se apnay kiye gaye sawalaat ke jawabat ma'aa dalail-o-saboot mangay thay. Dalail-o-Saboot se muraad Quran-o-Hadith aur Aqwal-e-Aimma se istadlaal. Humaray nazdeek aap ki ya kisi bad'mazhab airay ghairay nattho khairay ki koi auqaat nahi ke hum uss ki paish'karda zaati mantak ko hujjat maan lein. Misal ke tour per aap ne aik mantak baarha paish kar chukay ke "Najdi/Wahabi jo ke naslan Arabi hain, unhay Quran-o-Hadith ki woh taleemat kyu na samajh aieen jo Barelwi Ulema ko samajh aa gai. Najdi/Wahabi chonke Arabi hain iss liye unhay Barelwi Ulema se zyada samajh ana chahiye Quran-o-Hadith". Iss ka jawab aap ko tafseeli tour per mein ne aur Khalil Rana bhai ne de diya lekin uss ka jawab aap ne ajeeb hi raag alaapna shuru kar diye. Aap doosri aqal se aari mantak ye paish kartay hain ke "Jis tarah Pak-o-Hind mein Mahafil-e-Milad aur juloos waghaira hotay hain bilkul ussi andaaz mein baqi dunya mein kyu nahi hotay". Iss ke jawab mein ne aap se seedha sa sawal kya ke "Jis tarah Pak-o-Hind mein Panj'waqta namaz se pehlay Azaan loudspeaker per di jati hai, ussi tarah Europe aur America mein nahi di jati, tu kiya iss se mein ye samjhein ke Europe aur America ke musalman Namaz se pehlay Azan nahi dete?" Aap ko iss ka jawab dene ki toufiq nahi howi. Her mulk ka apna rehn-sehn aur apnay qawaid hotay hain. Aur ussi hisaab se unn mumalik mein deegar Islamic tehwaar ki tarah Mahafil-e-Milad mein Pak-o-Hind se mukhtalif hoti hain, magar hoti zaroor hain. Unn Mahafil-e-Milad mein Salat-o-Salam bhi hota hai, Naat'Khuwani bhi hoti hai, Nazr-o-Niyaz bhi hoti hai aur jaha mumkin ho Juloos bhi nikalta hai! Ye mamolaat Najdi/Wahabi/Deobandi/Ghair'Muqallideen ke yaha rayaj nahi balkay in ke khilaf fatwa hai. Ye saray mamoolat hum Ahle'Sunnat wa al'Jamat Barelwi bhi kartay hain so sabit howa ke sari dunya mein Ahle'Sunnat wa' al'Jamat Barelwi ke hum'maslak mojoud hain. Agar aap Mahafil ki zahiri noi'yyatt se uss ki Shara'ee haisiyatt ka andaza lagatay hain tu mera aap ko khulla challenge hai ke jis andaaz mein Islami Mumalik mein khosusan Pak-o-Hind mein Eid-ul-Adha manai jati hai, itni bari mandi lagti hai, Mawaishiyo ko sajaya jata hai, khullay aam road per Qurbani hoti hai, ussi tarah Eid-ul-Adha Europe aur America mein manaye janay ka saboot paish kar dijiye. Aap saboot paish karne se qasir rahein gay ke waha Eid-ul-Adha Pak-o-Hind ki tarah josh-o-kharoosh se nahi manai jati. Waha Eid-ul-Adha waha ke qanoon aur mahool ke hisaab se manai jati hai. Tu kya aap ye kahein gay ke Europe aur America mein Pak-o-Hind ke musalmano ka hum'maslak koi nahi? Aap se sawal kya jaye tu jawab dene mein aap ko saanp soongh jata hai. Aur agar kabhi na'paid ghairat ka muzahira kartay howay reply kartay bhi hain tu uss reply ka na sarr hota hai na pair. Na koi daleel hoti hai na saboot. Poora thread sab ke saamnay hai khud imaan'daari se (jis ke mujhe aap se khuch khaas umeed nahi) dekh lijiye ke aap ne ab tak apna mouqiff sabit karne ke liye kya paish kiya hai? Apni zaati raye, apni zaati mantak ke ilawa aap abhi tak kuch bhi paish karne se qasir rahay hain aur agay bhi rahein gay. Kehna tu nahi chahiye magar abhi tak aap se guftugo kar ke aap ki ilmi halat ka humein ba'khoobi andaza hai. Aap ko abhi hadith quote karne ka saleeqa bhi nahi maloom. Aap samajhtay hain ke hadith ke hawalay ke tour per "Ibn-e-Majah, page fala fala" likh dena kaafi hota hai aur agar usool tour per aap se pooch liya jaye ke hazrat publisher ka naam hi bata dijiye tu aap naak bhoon charha lete hain. Kisi ghissay pittay mullay ki kitabein parh kar unn kitabo se hawalajaat copy+paste karne walo ki halat aisi hi hoti hai. Aap se barh’aa mein ne poocha ke Pak-o-Hind mein jis josh-o-kharosh se Milad manai jati hai iss josh-o-kharoos per aiteraaz karne ke liye aap ke paas koi Shara’ee wajeh hai, koi shara’ee daleel hai ke jis se Milad per ye josh-o-kharosh ghalat aur ghair’islami sabit hota ho? Aap se jawab nahi diya jata iss seedhay se sawal ka ulta be’sharmi se aap agay ajeeb-o-ghareeb posts kiye jatay hain. Aap ki last posts aap ke paas yaqeenan mojoud hongi. Unhay dobara parhiye aur bataiye ke uss poori post mein kahi Quran-o-Hadith ya Aqwal-e-Aimma se istadlaal kartay howay aap ne koi aik bhi hawala paish kiya? Haa topic se hatt kar aap ne Ghair’Allah se istiaanat per Qurani Ayaat paish kardi. Aap ko baar baar warn karne ke ba’wajood aap ne hatt’dharmi dikhatay howay ajeeb-o-ghareeb postings jari rakhi. Na pehlay aap ki kisi post mein Quran-o-Hadith se koi hawala moujod tha na ab hai. Aur majbooran jab humein aap ki post delete karni parien tu aap doosray forums per jaa kar typical Najdi baiwa ki tarah roonay lagay. Najdiyo/Wahabiyo ki 2 4 kitabein parhne se Islam nahi samajh aana Hazrat! Jis mislay per baat karna chahtay hain uss per pehlay thori tehqeeq kijiye aur phir kisi debate ya discussion ka hissa baniye. Warna doosri soorat mein aap sirf apna aur doosra ka waqt barbaad karein gay aur kuch nahi. Khair mujhay andaza hai ke ye mashwara bhi deegar baatoo ki tarah aap ko samajh nahi aye ga. Aap ko iss forum per debate/discussion ke liye hamesha khush’amded kaha jaye ga lekin uss waqt ke jab aap saleeqay se baat karna seekh jaye gay.

Nasir Noman sahab, aik baar phir aap ne hatt'dharmi ka muzahira kartay howay koi jawab diye baghair bilkul hi alag masail per baat karna shuru kar di jin ka iss topic se koi lena dena nahi. Mein iss topic per aap kiye gaye woh tamaam sawalaat ki summary bana kar likh raha hon. Baray-e-mehrbaani pehlay inn ka jawab dijiye. Queries by Ya Mohammadah bhai 1. Ye sahab kis maslak ke hain or kya wo maslak naji hai ? 2. Inky nazdeek baki firqay kyu nari hain kyu batil hain ? 3. Ya ye sahab sary firqo ko naji samjhty hain kya inky nazdeek sabhi firqay haq par hain? Iss ke jawab mein simply apnay tabqa-e-fikr ya maslak ka naam bataiye aur jin firqo ko aap ghalat samajhtay hain unn ke naam likh dijiye. Queries by Sagg-e-Attar bhai 2. Saudiyon Ki Arab Per Hakomat 1924/25 Sey Start Hoyi Is Sey Pehley Arab Per Kis Ki Hakomat Thi? Aur Jo Hakomat Thi Woh Kab Sey Thi Nez Us Hakomat Key Kiya Aqaid They? Jawab mein ba'maa hawalajaat bataiye ke kis maslak ke logo ki hukumat thi, kab se thi aur unn ke Aqaid kiya thay ya kis aaj ke kal kis moujodah Maslak ki tarah thay. 3. Ulema-e-Pak-o-Hind (Barelavi) Tu Ajami Hain... Ager Wohi Aqaid Arabiyon Sey Sabit Ho Jayen (Nazr-o-Niyaz, Milad, Waseela Etc) Tu Phir Woh Ulema Bhi Barelavi Kehlayen Gey Ya Aap Un Sab Hawalajaat Ko Bila Saboot Barelaviyon Ki Tehreef Qarar Dey Dein Gey? Aap seedhay seedhay jawab dijiye ke agar Arab ulema se ye aqaid sabit kar diye jatay hain tu aap unhay kya qaraar dein gay? Barelwi ya Arab? Aqaid ka saboot aamaal se nahi milta. Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat per Musalman agar amal na karay tu kya woh taleemat ghalat hain ya amal na karnay walay ghalat? 5. Ulema-e-Pak-o-Hind (Barelavi) Tu Ghair Arabi Hain... Ager Yeh 100/150 Saala Najdiyon Key Ilawah Aarabiyon Ney Bhi Qurani Aayat Ki Wohi Tafseer Bayan Ki Hoo Jo Barelavi Kertey Hain Tu Woh Arabi bhi Ghair Arabi Kehlayen Gey? Ya Barelavi? Ya Unki Kutub Mein Barelaviyon Ney Tehreef Ker Di Bila Saboot? Jo poocha ja raha hai uss ka jawab dijiye. Pichlay 100/150 sala Saudiyo ke ilawah, unn se pichlay jin Arabi ulema nay Quran-o-Hadith ki wohi tashreeh ki jo Barelwi Ulema kartay hain tu unn Arabi Ulema ki aap ka kya qoul hai? Aya ke woh Arabi ulema Barelwi kehlaye gay ya kuch aur? 1. Qabroon Per Mazaraat Banana Jaiz Hai ya Nhin? 2. Baqi-e-Pak Mein Sahaba-e-Karam Key Mazaraat Kis Ney Banwaye They? 3. Kis Ney Un Mazaraat Ko Dhaa Diya? 4. Jis Hakomat Mein Banaye Gaye They Woh Kaunsi Hakomat Thi Aur Kis Aqeedey Per Thi? 5. Ager Mazaraat Banana Aur Mazaraat Per Jana Barelaviyon Ka Kam Hai (Kiyon Wahabi Ghair Muqalid aur Deobandi Dono Iskey Against Hain) Tu Us Waqt Arab Mein Aisi Hakomat Kesey Bani Jab Key Aapki Pesh Kerdah Hadees Key Mutabiq Aisa Na Mumkin Hai. Sawal bilkul seedhay hain tu jawab bhi isi andaaz se dijiye. 1. Mazaraat banana jayaz hai? Haa ya Naa? Agar nahi tu daleel paish kijiye. 2. Jannat-ul-Baqi mein Ashaab-e-Kiram ke mazaraat kis ne tameer kiye thay? 3. Kis ne Ashaab-e-Kiram ke mazaraat ko dhaya? Shakhsiyaat ke naam nahi maloom tu unn ka maslak bayan kijiye. 4. Jannat-ul-Baqi mein Ashaab-e-Kiram ke mazaraat ko dhaanay wali hukomat kaun thi. Shakhsiyaat ke naam nahi maloom tu unn ka maslak bayan kijiye. 5. Agar mazaraat banana aur un per jana Barelwis ka kaam hai tu uss zamanay Ashaab-e-Kiram ke zamanay mein mazaraat kis ne banaye kaun howay? 1. Aap Ney Jo Hadees Bayan Ki Hai Khaana-e-Kaba Ki Chabiyon Wali Iska Hawala Bama Sannad Pesh Kerein.. 2. Aap Ney Dawa Kiya Hai Key Pori Dunya Mein Wahabi Aqaid Key Loug Hain.. Apney Dawey Per Daleel Pesh Kerein. 3. Dalail ka Ta'ayun Kerein.. Aapko Hum Apni Baat Sabit Kerney Key Liye Kahan Sey Dalail Dein.. Quran Sey? Hadees Sey? Ulema Ki Kutub Sey? Tareekh Sey? Jab Tak Aap Dalail Ka Ta'ayun Nhin Kerein Gey... Aap Sey Baat Nhin Ho Sakti... 1. Aap ne jo hadith paish ki thi uss ka mukammal hawala ba'maa sanadd likhiye. Aap ne jawab diya "Ibn-e-Majah, pg. 225", publisher ka naam likhiye. 2. Poori dunay mein Wahabi mojoud hai iss ka saboot paish kijiye. 3. Aap decide kar ke bataiye ke aap ko kisi baat ka saboot dene ke liye hum kya paish karein? Quran, Hadith, Aqwal-e-Aimma ya kuch aur? Saif-ul-Islam bhai ne apni post mein ( http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...ost&p=22796 ) mein jin videos ke link diye hain uss se aap ko sari dunya mein Mahafil-e-Milad ka saboot nazar aya ya nahi. Ab aaiye mere kiye gaye sawalat ki taraf; 1. Shia ke mutta ke mutalliq aqeeday se tamaam sunni ikhtilaaf kartay hain. Yaqeenan aap bhi kartay hongay, tu ye aiteraz unn ki kitabo mein moujoud aqeeday per hai. Yaa phir aap ko amli tour per kisi shia ko mutta kartay dekhne ke baad ikhtilaaf hai? Yaqeenan aap ko Shias ke mutta ke aqeeday se ikhtilaaf hoga (Agar nahi hai tu bata dijiye). Tu Shias ka mutta ka aqeeda aap ne unn ki kitabo mein parha ya zaati tour aap ne Shia ko mutta ke aqeeday per amal kartay dekha? Aap hum se Milad ke zaman mein “amali saboot” ki demand kartay hain tu kya iss se ye matlab liya jaye ke aap ne Mutta bhi amali tour per hotay dekha hai? Agar nahi tu kyu? Aap sab chooriye ye bataiye ke iss "josh-o-kharoosh" per aap ko shara'ee aiteraaz kya hai aur uss aiteraaz ki daleel kya hai. Aap iss “josh-o-kharoosh” per shara’ee noiyatt ke aiteraaz ki daleel paish kijiye. NOTE: Ye aap ki last warning hai. Inn tamaam awalaat ka mufassil aur ba'maa dalail-o-saboot jawab diye baghair agar aap ne agli posts ki tu aap ki posts ko mehfooz kiye baghair delete kar diya jaye ga. Umeed hai ke iss baar aap ko shayad ghairat aa hi jaye!

Nasir Noman sahab, baray afsoos ke saath kehna parr raha hai ke aap ki aaj ki gai 2 posts delete kar di gai hain. Wajeh ye ke 2 warnings milnay ke baad bhi aap ne hatt'dharmi ka muzahira kartay howay humaray sawalaat ke jawabaat aur matlooba dalail-o-hawalajaat diye baghair phir agay ki baatein shuru kardi. Aglay ko jawab diye baghair apni kahay jana ghair'mantaki si baat hai jis ki yaha iss forum per koi gunjaish nahi. Aap ki posts humaray pass save hain as it is. Aap se aik baar phir guzarish hai ke guzishta posts mein aap se kiye gaye sawalaat aur mutalibaat ko poora kijiye aur phir agay posts kijiye. Umeed hai ke iss baar aap ta'awunn farmaye gay. Shukriya!

Mein ne aap se "arakeen" ki tashreeh maangi thi (waisay sahi lafz "arkaan" hai) matlab ke "arakeen" kya hotay hain. Aap ne jawab mein 4 arkan-e-deen ki tafseel paish kar di ke aisay hotay hain aur waisay hotay hain. Janab mein ye nahi poocha ke "Arakeen" kis tarah pooray kiye jatay hain. Mera sawal aap se tha ke Islam mein "arkaan" kehtay kisay hain? So baray-e-mehrbani aainda post ko sirf parhiye ga matt, samajhiye ga bhi. Aap ko abhi ye nahi maloom ke jin arakeen ki aap baat kar rahay hain unn ki noiyatt aur Milad mein kya farq hai. Namaz her aaqil baaligh per “FARZ” hai, Zakat her sahib-e-istita'at per FARZ hai, issi tarah Hajj aur Roza bhi. Ab zara jaldi se bataiye ke Milad ko kis ne Farz ya Wajib qaraar diya hai. Agar nahi diya tu phir inn ka comparison karne ki kya tukk banti hai? Chaliye aap se jawab kisi mantaki jawab ki umeed mujhe pehlay hi na thi iss liye aap ke issi jawab ko dekh lete hain. Namaz sari dunia mein aik hi tarha sey perhi jati hai Humaray Indo-Pak aur deegar kuch Islami mumalik mein Azaan loudspeaker per hoti hai jab ke dunya ke kaee mumalik aisay bhi hain jaha Masajid mein Azaan loudspeakers per nahi hoti. Tu aap ki mantak ke mutabiq ye samjha jaye ke Indo-Pak aur deegar Islami mumalik ki Azaan alag hai aur deegar mumalik mein rehnay walay musalmano ki Azaan alag? Agar aisa nahi kahein gay tu kyu nahi kahein gay? Zakat ka sari dunia main ek hi hisab sey di jati hai Indo-Pak mein aksar-o-baishtar istiharaat nazar aatay hain ke "Apni Zakat fala trust ko dijiye" aur issi tarah ki appeal maqami musalmano se ki jati hai, jab ke dunya ke bohut se deegar mumalik mein aisa nahi hota. Tu aap ki mantak ke mutabiq Indo-Pak mein Zakat alag tareeqay se di jati hai aur deegar dunya ke musalam alag tareeqay se dete hain? Agar aisa nahi kahein gay tu kyu nahi kahein gay? Haj ek hi tareeqey sey kia jata hai Hajj ke ayyaam mein Indo-Pak mein kam-o-baish sari hi Travel Agencies Hajj ke packages offer karti hain. Baqi poori dunya mein aisa nahi hota. Hajj ke ayyam mein Qurbani bhi ki jati hai. Indo-Pak mein jis tarah Eid-ul-Adha ke liye mawaishiyo ki mandi lagti hai, jis dhoom dhaam se mawaishi khareed kar laye jatay hain, jis tarah sajawat ki jati hai, dunya ke kisi doosray mein aisa nahi hota. Mazeed ye ke Eid-ul-Adha ke din jis andaz mein Qurbani hoti hai, deegar mumalik mein waisay nahi hoti. Indo-Pak mein apnay gharo ke aas paas Qurbani hoti hai aur baqi baishtar mumalik mein Qasba'gaah mein jaa ke Qurbani ki jati hai. Ab aap ki mantak ke mutabiq Indo-Pak ke musalman jis tarah Eid-ul-Adha aur Qurbani kartay hain, baqi dunya ke musalman waisay nahi kartay. Agar aisa nahi kahein gay tu kyu nahi kahein gay? Roza ka ek hi tareeqa hota hai sab Muslamano key liyain Ramzan mein rooza jis andaz mein Indo-Pak aur deegar kuch Islami mumalik mein ihtimaam kiya jata hai waisa deegar bohut se mumalik mein nahi kiya jata. Indo-Pak mein jis tarah iftar per gehma'gehmi aur afra'tafri nazar aati hai waisi baqi mumalik mein nazar nahi aati. Jis andaz mein Indo-Pak aur deegar kuch Islami mumalik mein road per awaam ki iftari karwanay ka josh-o-kharoosh nazar ata hai uss ki misal deegar mumamlik mein nahi milti. Tu aap ki mantak ke mutabiq Indo-Pak mein musalman Ramzan alag andaz mien guzartay hain aur deegar dunya ke musalman alag andaz mein? Agar aisa nahi kahein gay tu kyu nahi kahein gay? Ab mein ne aap hi ki be'tukki mantak ko samnay rakhtay tamam farq wazeh kar diya. Agar aap samajhtay hain ke aisa koi farq nahi hai tu uss ki daleel zaroor paish kijiye ga warna baghair daleel aap ki post kisi kaam ki na hogi. Aap agar "kunway ke maindak" hain tu iss mein humara kya kasoor janab? Aap ne Indo-Pak ko hi apni kainat banaya howa hai, deegar mumalik ki aap ko khabar nahi tu miya ye tu humari ghalti nahi na. Daleel paish karne mein aap ki hawaiya urr jaati hain magar phir bhi aiteraaz zaroor karna hai aap ko. Chaliye aaj aap ko dunya ki sair karwatay hain thori se. Khud apni aankho se dekh lijiye ke Milad kaha kaha, kis kis tarah manai jaati hai. Baqi ye 1 hi link check kar lijiye iss per aap ko Cyprus, Singapore, Germany, Holland, Hong Kong, Toronto, Morroco, UK, US waghaira ki Milad ke programs ki video mil jaye gi. http://sweetmadinah.blogspot.com/2007/03/m...hi-wasalam.html So aap ka ye kehna ke Milad jis tarah Indo-Pak mein manai jati waisay kahi aur nahi manai jati tu ye aap ke zehn ki iftiraa hai. Suchai sari dunya janti hai, aap ya tu iss liye jantay ke Pakistan se bahir nikalnay ka ittifaq nahi howa, ya phir aap apne kunway se bahir ki dunya dekhna hi nahi chahtay. Sari sari raat Pakistan mein baishtar jagho per Shadi ki taqareeb mein gana bajana hota hai. Aap pehlay tu ye bataiye ke iss zaman mein aap qalam uthaya hai kabhi? Agar nahi tu kyu? Ye mehez bay'ghairti aur Rasool se dushmani ka izhaar ke ganay bajanay ki mahafil per tu khamooshi lekin jaha baat Mehfil-e-Naat ki baat aiee tu uss ki tardeed ke liye forun uth kharya howay. Janab sacha musalman apne Aaqa sun ka soona pasand nahi karta, naat-e-Rasool se musalmaan ki neend kharab nahi howa karti. Ye tu woh ibleesi hotay hain jin ke kaan mein Naat-e-Rasool ki awaaz bhi chubti hai. Aur rahi baat auratoo ki Naat-Khuwani ki, tu iss per humaray ulema ka mouqiff maloom kijiye pehlay phir baat kijiye ga. Private prduction houses ki releases ke zimay'daar Ahle'Sunnah wa al'Jamat per nahi hai. Wallah! Bay’ghairti ki intihaa hai. Pehlay tu ye bataiye ke Shaadi biyah per fuzool kharchay per aaj tak aap nay kisi bhi forum per, forum chooriye kisi bhi sitah per koi 1 lafz bhi likha hai tardeed mein? Agar haa tu bataiye kaha! Hairat hoti hai aap jaiso ko dekh kar ke khud ko musalmaan kis munh se kehtay hain! Sari dunya ki fuzool kharchiyo ko choor kar aap nay tanqeed ke liye mouzo chuna bhi tu Milad ka! Shadi biyah ke kharchay, salgirah ke kharchay, ghar ko sajanay ke kharchay, bacho ki khuwahishaat per fuzool kharchay aur aisay hazaro masail hain jis per sari dunya fuzool kharch karti nazar aati hai magar uss per aap ne aaj tak kuch hai na likhein gay! Kya yehi ghairat-e-imaani hai aap ki? Mein zyada kuch nahi likho ga ke aap ki Ilmi haisiyat ka mujhe ba’khoobi andaza hai. Sirf kuch hawalay de raha hon, aankhein khol kar parhiye ga aur phir agar Allah toufiq de tu apni ibleesi mantak per lanat bhaij kar toubah kijiye ga. Encyclopedia of Islam ki publishing Punjab University, Lahore se howi jis tashkeel aur tarteeb mein sari dunya ke jayyed Ulema ne hissa liya. “Aaj tamaam Islami dunay mein Jashn-e-Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi mutafiqqa tour per manaya jata hai.” (Encyclopedia of Islam, vol. 21, pg. 824, published Punjab University, Lahore) Ab mein aap ki baat suno ya authentic ulema ki baat suno? Aap ke paas tu apni baat ko sabit karne ke liye koi mantak bhi nahi. Imam ibn Jawzi (Rehmatullahe Ta’la Allaihe) (ye barelwi nahi, thay, do google if you wanna know more) farmatay hain ke Syedda Aamna (Radi Allahu Anha) ne ba’waqt-e-wiladat aik hatif-e-ghaibi ki awaaz suni jo ye keh raha tha; “Her woh shaks jo Huzoor (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) ke ba’iss khush howa, uss ke liye Allah nay aag se mehfooz rehnay ke liye hijab aur dhaal banai. Jis ne Mustafa (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) ka Milad mananay ke liye 1 darham kharch kiya, Nabi-e-Karim (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) iss ke Shaf’ee aur Mushf’aa hongay aur Allah her darham ke badlay 10 guna aata farmaye ga.” (Mawlud-ul-Uroos, pg. 9, published Beirut) Ibn Kathir (ye bhi barelwi nahi thay) farmatay hain; “al’Malik-ul-Muzaffar abu Saeed ko kabri sakhiyo, baray sardaaro aur ashaab-e-mujd badshaho mein say tha. Iss ke achay asaar thay. Rabi-ul-Awwal mein Milad manata tha aur pur’shikwah mehfil munaqqid karta tha. Woh zaheen, bahadur, na’darr, sahib-e-aqal aur aadil tha. Allah iss per rehm farmaye, woh Milad per 3 lakh kharch kiya karta tha.” (Al-Badaya Wan Nahaya, vol. 13, pg. 132) Ibn-e-Kasir further writes in his books “Al-Badaya Wan Nahaya”, which is also reported by Zahabi in his “Sayr-o-Alam-el-Mubala” and Yousaf Salahi in his “Subal-ul-Huda-Wal-Arshad vol.1, page 362-63” that: The family of Sultan Salah-ud-Din Ayubi (his brother in law Shah Abu Saeed Al-Muzafar) used to celebrate Milad by sacrificing 5000 goats and offering 100,000 plates of food to the participants. Hundreds of thousands of people used to gather there. Ulama / Mashaikh / Muhadasin used to make speeches. Mahfil-e-Sima and Mahfil-e-Naat were held and scholars from east to west used to attend it. Overall 300,000 gold dinars were spent on the event. (Ibn-e-Kathir in Al-Badaya Wan Nahaya, vol. 9, pg. 18) Ibn-e-Kathir appreciates their love for the Prophet and does not say that it was Israf. He rather says that the King used to wear cloths whose cost was not more than 5 dinnars. The king preferred to spend money on poor rather than spending on himself. But on the occasion of Milad-un-Nabi, he used to spend so heavily that many poor people used to establish themselves through that money. Sheikhul Islam Allama ibn Hajr Makki (ye bhi barelwi nahi thay) narrated in his An Ne’matul Kubra; Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (Radi Allahu Anhu) says, "Whosoever spends one dirham on the birthday (Moulood) of the Prophet (sall Allaho alaihi wasallam), he will be with me in Jannat." Hazrat Sayyidina Uthman (radi Allahu anhu) says, "Whosoever has spent one dirham on the Birthday of the Prophet (Sall Allaho Alaihi Wa Sallam), it is as though He was present in Ghazwa-e-Badr and Hunain. (An Ne’matul Kubra, pg. 7-8, published Istanbul-Turkey) Jitnay references mein ne diye hain ye na’sirf Arab balkay aaj ke moujadah arab scholars inhay apna ustaad mantay hain. Inn mein se koi Barelwi nahi magar ye sab humaray aqeeday ki gawahi dete hain. Aap bataiye ke milad per aiteraaz karne walo ki list mein aap ke paas kitnay mutabirr naam hai? Kya birbira rahay hain janab. Kisi 1 saal ke bachay ki birthday manai jati hai tu walidayn apnay hisab se manatay hain ya bachay se pooch kar manatay hain ke chootay miya batao kis mutabiq manaya jaye? Bay’sar-o-paa batein kar ke apna aur doosra ka waqt barbaad na karein janab. Aap pehlay tu daleel paish kijiye ke Allah aur uss ke Rasool apni ummat ke Milad per kiye janay walay lakho, karooron ke kharchay per khush nahi hotay. Daleel dijiye, agar daleel nahi tu khamooshi ikhtiyaar kijiye. Rahi baat “iss hath se deien aur doosray haath ko kharab na ho” tu miya jee Milad per jab niyaz ya langar bat raha hota hai tu koi advertisement tu nahi ho rahi hoti. Lene walay ko pata nahi hota dene wala kaun hai, dene walay ko nahi maloom hota ke lene wala kaun! Karachi ke juloos mein gaye hain kabhi? Kabhi aa kar apni aankho se dekh lijiye ga ka zyada’tar awaam mein saman chootay bachay baant rahay hotay hain. Naa unn ke haath mein apnay naam ka jhanda hota hai ke haa je mein fala ka beta hon aur mein niyaz baant raha hon na unn ki niyaz per kahi likha hota ke fala bin fala ki di howi niyaz hai. So aiteraaz woh kijiye jo situation per suit karta ho. Ghareebo ki chupke se madad kaisay hoti hai ye bhi bata dijiye janab? Saudia mein aap ke chaheetay Arab ramzan mein tu khullay aam logo ko iftari karwatay hain. Unhay aap kyu nahi ke Arab jee, chupke chupke iftari karwao. Aap jo baatien kar rahay hain woh namood-o-numaish per lago hoti hain jab ke Milad mein aisa kuch nahi hota. Jaha jaha niyaz hoti hai waha aa kar niyaz khanay walo ko maloom tak nahi hota ke kaun karwa raha hai niyaz. Namaz, Roza, Hajj, Zakat ka jawab peechay de chukka. Rahi baat Eid-ul-Fitr aur Eid-ul-Adha ki, tu inn ke bhi tafseel peechay likh di sari dunya mein ye apnay apnay rehan sehan aur mulki halaat ke mutabiq kiye jatay hain. Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi sari dunya mein manai jati hai aur bilkul isi tarah manai jati hai jis tarah Indo-Pak mein. Saboot ke tour per kuch news aur videos mein post kar chuk aur bhi kaafi videos ka link iss topic mein moujod hai. Thori si zehmat kar ke unhay dekh lijiye aur phir baat kijiye. Aap ko mera simple sa challenge. Agar aap mein 1% bhi ghairat hai tu sabit kijiye ke Ahle’Sunnat wa Jamat mein se koi bhi Milad “AQAID” mein shamil karta hai. Aap ki ilmi haisiyat ki bharpoor naqab’khushai kartay howay aap ne ye bhi sabit kar dya ke aap ko “Aqaid” aur “Aamaal” ya “Mamoolaat” ke darmyaan farq bhi nahi maloom. Aulya-e-Allah ke Urs ko na hum farz kehtay hain na wajib. Hum kehtay hain ke ye karna Islam ki roo se jayaz hai, naa ke farz ya wajib. Jo karta hai acha karta hai, jo nahi karta uss per koi gunah nahi. Haa jo issay najayaz kehta hai woh zaroor gumrahi mein hai. Qawwali per Ulema mein ikhtilaaf hai aur humaray Imam, Ala Hazrat Barelwi ke nazdeek Mahafil-e-Sama ghalat hain. Mazeed ye ke Qawwali ka talluq Aqaid se nahi. Mazaraat per chaadarein charhana bhi “Aqeeday” ka hissa nahi, mustahib hai, jo karta hai theek hai jo nahi karta uss per koi gunah nahi. Aap ko agar ye ghalat lagta hai tu Quran-o-Hadith se daleel paish kijiye. Mazeed ye ke issi forum per Islamic Images ke section mein images dekh lijiye. Dunya ke mukhtalif mumalik ki ziyarato ki tasaweer mojoud hain jin mein Anbiya (Allaihe Salam), Ahl-e-Bayt, Ashaab-e-Kiram aur Aulya-e-Kiram ki quboor ki tasaweer moujoud hain aur unn sab per Chaadarein waghaira chahri howi hain. Haa albatta sari dunya mein aap ko Wahabiya ki quboor “marr gaya mardood, na fatiha na durood” ke misdaq banjar aur weeran hi milein gi. Iss ka talluq bhi Aqaid se nahi. Mannat se aap wazahat kijiye ke kis kism ki mannatein? Ye bhi Aqaid mein se nahi. Muradien? Allah hi janay ye kaun si Muradoo ki baatein kar rahay hain jo logo ko nazar aati hain. Murad ke maani hain khuwahish, aur muraadein tu her insaan ke dil mein hoti hain. Thora tafseel se likhiye kya kehna chah rahay hain. Inn ka bhi Aqaid se koi lena dena nahi. Lungar, niyaz ka doosra naam hai. Indo-Pak mein ye istilah uss niyaz ke liye istimaal hoti hai jo awaam-un-naas ke liye khullay aam ho. Aur iss tarah ki niyaz sari dunya mein hoti hai. Indo-Pak mein lungar ke mouqay per jo dhakam dhakki hoti hai woh yaha ki awaam ki ghurbat aur bay’sabri ki nishaandahi karti hai. Iss ka bhi Aqaid se koi talluq nahi. Mera mashwara ye hai ke aap pehlay Islam literature parhiye. Aap ko faraiz, wajibaat, aur mustahibaat ka farq nahi maloom aur aap iss tarah ke mubahisa karne ka shoq rakhtay hain. Faida kuch nahi bilwaja loog hansay gay aap per. Be'shakk Quran-o-Hadith Arabi mein hai aur jo ke Arab bashindo ki madri zaban hai aur unhay ba'haisiyatt apni qoumi zaban ke, Arabi per hum se zyada uboor hai. Lekin jo mantak aap paish kar rahay hain woh samajh se bala'tar hai. Arabi hona be'shakk iss baat ki daleel ho sakti hai ke unhay Arabi non-Arabs se zyada achi samajh aa jaye. Lekin Quran-o-Hadith sirf kisi aik Arabi literature nahi. Aik mukammal deen hai. So Arabi hona iss baat ki daleel nahi ke jo Arabi hoga ussay Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat bhi samajh aa jaye gi. Abu Jahal bhi Arabi tha, Abu Lahb bhi Arabi tha, Yazeed bhi Arabi tha, Musaylma Kazzab bhi Arabi tha magar iss ke bawajood inn sab ki mout halat-e-kufr mein howi. Musaylma Kazzab bhi Arabi hi tha iss ke ba'wajood ussay Quran-o-Hadith ke aik basic baat samajh nahi aiee ke Huzoor ke baad koi Nabi nahi aye ga aur uss ne Nabuwwat ka jhoota dawa kiya. So kehnay ka maqsad ye ke Arabi hona hujjat nahi! Even aaj bhi Saudia mein Arab sharab bhi peetay hain, zina bhi kartay hain! Tu iss sab per bhi aap yehi kahein gay ke "Woh Arabi hai, unhay Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat hum non-arabs se zyada achi tarah maloom hai iss liye woh jo kartay hain theek kartay hain." Rahi baat hum Barelwis ki, tu pehlay tu ye samajhiye ke lafz Barelwi hai kya. Bareli ke rehnay walo ko Barelwi kaha jata hai. Humaray Imam Ahmed Raza Khan (Radi Allahu Ta'ala Ahu) Barlei se talluq rakhtay thay aur issi nisbat se Barelwi kehlaye. Humein ye naam Wahabiyo Najdiyo ne diya aur propganda ye kya ke Barelwi aik naya maslak hai. Jab ke humaray tamaam Ulema ka yehi qoul hai ke hum Maslakan Ahle'Sunnat wa Jamat hain aur nisbatan Barelwi. Nisbat bayan karna youn bhi zaroori ke Ahle'Sunnat ka label laga kar deegar Wahabi bhi awaam ko behkanay ke liye nikal paray, jaisa ke Deobandis. Jab ke maslak-e-Ahle'Sunnat wa Jamat ki taleemat jo Akabir Ulema se sabit hain unn se inn Wahabi Najdiyo ka koi lena dena hai, inn ke nazdeek ye sab Shirk-o-Kufr hai. So jis tarah market mein kisi asli product ke naam per jaali maal aa jaye tu asli product ke shanakht ke liye aik munfaridd nishani laga di jati hai iss tarah inn jaali Ahle'Sunnat wa Jamat ke dhookay se awaam ko bachaanay ke liye ye Nisbat istimaal ki gai. Khair ye tu ho gai lafz "Barelwi" ki tafseel. Ab aiye humaray aqaid ki taraf. Aap samait tamaam wahabiyatt/deobandiyatt/ghair'muqallidiyat/moudodiyatt/shia'at aur deegar jitnay batil-o-mardood firqay hain unn sab ko humaray Ulema ka hamesha se challenge hai ke jis kisi ko humaray Aqaid per aiteraaz hai, aa kar Quran-o-Hadith aur Aqwaal-e-Aimma se sabit kar day apnay mouqif ko. Alhumdulillah humaray Aqaid Quran-o-Hadith aur Aqwal-e-Aimma se poori tarah sabit hain jis ki jhalkiyaa aap ko meri aur deegar bhaiyoo ki posts ke hawala'jaat mein nazar aa rahi hongi. So ye kehna ke Quran-o-Hadith ki taleemat Barelwi ulema ko kaisay samajh aa gai aur Ulema-e-Arab ko kyu samajh na aasaki ye aap ki be'waqoofi ke siwa kuch nahi. Abhi tu aap ne dhang se guftugo ki hi nahi warna agar aap chahay tu aik alehda topic create kar ke agar sirf Milad-un-Nabi per hi aap ko Ulema-e-Arab ke hawalajaat dena shuru kar diye jaye tu parhtay parhtay aap ki aankhein dukh jaye gi! Khair ye tu howi humari baat. Ab aap apna bataiye. Aap ke aiterazaat mein aap ke paas kya daleel hai? Quran-o-Hadith se aap ke paas kitnay hawala'jaat hain jo humaray Aqaid ko ghalat sabit kartay hain? Kitnay mustanadd aur ghair janib'daar Akabir Ulema hain jin se aap humaray Aqaid ko ghalat sabit kar saktay hain? Zyada nahi tu chand'aik hi paish kar dein. Filhaal tu soorat-e-haal ye hai ke hum tu saboot ke tour per sari dunya ba'shamool Saudia Arab mein munaqqid Mahafil-e-Milad ki video dikha rahay hain aur jawaban aap sirf itna keh rahay hain ke "Nahi janab, aisa nahi, sari dunya mein nahi manai jati". Na daleel na saboot! Aap ki zaati raye ya statement ki auqaat hi kya jisay hum parhnay ki zehmat bhi karein? Aap Mujtahidd hain, Mufti hain, Muhaddith hain, Mudarris hain, aakhir hain kaun aap jo baghair daleel aap ki baat ko maan liya jaye? Abhi aap ko Faraiz, Wajibaat aur mustahib cheezo mein farq nahi maloom aur aap yaha inn masail per gugtugo karna chahtay hain. Milad per baat kartay hain aur Milad aur Arkaan-e-Deen ke ma'bayn farq aap ki samajh nahi aya! Baray-e-karam waqt ka nahi sahi kuch apni izzat ka hi khayal kar lijiye. Iss tarah ki baatein kar ke kuch hasil nahi hoga sirf aap awaam mein apna tamasha banwaye gay. Note: Aap ko pehlay bhi warning di gai ke pehlay mere aur deegar bhaiyo ke kiye gaye sawalaat ka ba'maa dalail-o-hawalajaat jawab dien iss apnay phir tamaam sawaloo ko nazar'adnaz kartay howay phir aik nai post dagh di. Jaisa ke mein pehlay hi aap ko bata chuka ke iss forum per ilmi guftugo karnay walo ka khair'maqdam kya jata hai lekin be'tukki aur hatt'darhmi ka muzahira kartay howay tu tu mein mein ki yaha koi gunjaish nahi. Aap ki paishgi ittila di jaati hai ke agar aap ki agli post mein humari janib se diye gaye tamaam sawalaat ka matlooba hawalajaat aur dalail ke saath jawan nahi howa tu aisi tamaam ainda posts ko baghair kisi paishgi ittilaa ke delete kar diya jaye ga. Umeed hai ke iss baar aap ta'awunn karien gay.

Allah apnay Habib ke sadqay aap ki iss khoobsurat dua ko, aap ke, mere aur hum sunni bhaiyo/behno ke haq mein qubool farmaye!

Pehlay tu yaha "arakeen" ki tashreeh kijiye phir agay ki baat kijiye ga. Hazrat bohut ho chuka lafzo ka khail. Jis bhi josh-o-kharoosh se banaya jata hai woh sari dunya janti hai. Aap sab chooriye ye bataiye ke iss "josh-o-kharoosh" per aap ko shara'ee aiteraaz kya hai aur uss aiteraaz ki daleel kya hai. Janab aap ki bay saro'pa misaal kya sabit karna chah rahi hai pata nahi. Magar itna bata do ke sari dunya mein jis tarah Eid-ul-Fitr waghaira manai jati hai issi tarah Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi bhi manai jati hai aur ye bhi media per aa hi jata hai. Agar aap ye kehna chah rahay hain ke Eid-ul-Fitr ki tarah Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi manaye janay ki tasheer nahi hoti, tu agar aap ki iss baat ko sahi maan bhi liya jaye tu iss mein Shara'ee masla kya hai? Tu janab her isi tarah sari dunya ke musalman bhi jantay hain ke poori dunya mein Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi manai jaa rahi hai. Rahi baat taqreebat ki, tu miya jee aap ne kabhi Pakistan ke media per ye khabar suni ya parhi hai ke Fala country ki fala city mein fala church mein Christmas Eve manai jaa rahi hai? Taqreebaat ka pata city level per hota hai na ke international level per. Pehlay baat kartay hain Eid ki, phir baat kartay hain eid ki taqreebat ki. Dono ka farq aap ko maloom hai ya mein batao? Mujhe aap ke walid-e-mohtaram aaj tak nazar nahi aye. Kya iss ka matlab hai aap la'wald hain? Aap ki soorat-e-haal ki wazahat ke liye sirf aik muhawara kaafi hai "Kunway ka maindak" Rahi baat aqaid ki, tu miya aap ne bhi shayad Islam Quran-o-Hadith se hi seekha hoga. Tu jaldi se ab Quran-o-Hadith se daleel paish kijiye ke Arab jo kartay hain woh shariat hai aur jo nahi kartay woh shariat ke khilaf. Ab aap ke liye kuch zaroori baatein, inhay aankhien aur dimaagh dono ko istimaal kartay howay parhiye ga. Agli post tab kijiye ga jab Sagg-e-Attar bhai, Khalil Rana bhai aur meri post ke jawabat likhnay ki quwwat ho. Jis tarah sawal hain ussi tarah ke jawabaat dijiye ga, matlab ke seedhay se. Kissay kahaniya sunnay ka na aap ke paas waqt hai na humaray paas. Mazeed agar aap ne jawabaat diye baghair post ki tu majbooran na chahtay howay bhi humein aap ki rights zabt karne paray gay. Yaha aap mubahisa karna chahtay hain tu zaroor kijiye lekin qaiday qanoon ke saath, dalail ke saath. Ba'soorat deegar "Mein na mano ga" ki takraar ke liye ye jageh munasib nahi.

Hazrat Ban'Qusa Allaihe Salam Hazrat Ayyub Allaihe Salam Chashma-e-Hazrat Ayyub Allaihe Salam Son of Hazrat Ayyub Allaihe Salam Maqam-e-Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed Hazrat Abu Darda Hazrat Abu Darda Hazrat Abu Huraira Hazrat Owais Qarni Hazrat Saad ibn Muada Hazrat Syeddna Bilal Hazrat Umer bin Abdul Aziz Hazrat Umer bin Abdul Aziz Hazrat Ubaidullah bin Umer ibn Khattab

its in Persian/Farsi (Roman)... I am just curious if anyone has it in actual Farsi rasm-ul-khat just as my signature.

Sunniam mun Naarae Takbeero Risalat Mee Zanam Dum Zay Boo Bakro Umer Usmano Haider Mee Zanam Qadriyam mun Naarae Ya Ghouse Aazam Mee Zanam Dum Zay Shiekh Ahmed Raza Khan Qutbe Aalam Mee Zanam Anyone have this in persian???

Ap Buzrugan-e-Deen ki books ki bat karty hain yaha to logon ney Asmani books ko bhi nahi chhora or Yahoodion ney or Essaiyon ney apni asmani books main tabdilain ki or logon ko sachai tak nahi pohanchney dia. Humari tarha hi wo log bhi insan they. Mager aaj ap dekh saktey hain aaj asal Aasmani books humarey darmiyan nahi hain. Ager kisi Buzrug Hasti sey mansoob book ko hum ye samjh lian key kio key ye book Muqadas Hasti sey Mansoob hai to bilkul sahi hogi to phir ye bat bhi samney aaey gi key bible main jo chiristen Hazrat Essa Alihey Assalam key ehkamat pesh kartey hain to wo bhi humain manna chahiey kio key wo to Hazrat Essa Alihey Assalam key ehkamat hain? Kidher ki baat ko kaha le jaa rahay hain janab. Kis kitaab mein kya tehreef howi kya nahi iss per tu mein baat hi nahi kar raha! Mera sawal sirf itna hai ke Gangohi, Thanvi waghaira ki kitabo mein jo aqaid moujod hain woh sahi hain ya ghalat? Rahi baat tehreef ki tu ulema ke pass kuch kitabo ke woh puranay nuskhay bhi moujod hain jo Thanvi waghaira ki zindagi mein hi shaya howay aur unn mein bhi aap ko wohi kufriya kharafaat mil jaye gi. Chaliye sari baatein choorein. Aap kehtay hain ke agar koi kitaab kisi mutabirr alim se mansoob hai tu zaroori nahi ke woh bilkul sahi ho. Tu janab agar sahi nahi tu phir usay chaapa kyu jaa raha hai? Uss ki tasheer kyu ho rahi hai? Hum jo Gangohi, Thanvi waghaira ki kitabo per aiteraaz kartay hain tu issi wajeh se kartay hain ke even aaj tak deobandi unn kitabo ko inhi ulema se mansoob kartay hain. Ya tu ye kitabein jala kar saaf saaf ailaan kar dein ke inn Ulema ne aisa kuch nahi likha, tu phir shayad aap ki mantak kisi hadd tak sahi bhi ho. Yaha tu maamla ulta hai. Jin kitabo aur jin ibaratoo per aiteraaz kiya jata hai deobandi hazrat uss ka diffa kartay hain! Mager ye humain Allah Taala ney Quraan Pak (jis ko qayamat tak mehfooz rakhney ka waada Allah Taala ney kia hai) main Hazoor Sallaho Alihey Wassalam key Zaryey pegham dia hai kia such hai kia ghalat hai? Chaliye aap Quran-e-Kareem se hi parakh lijiye Akabireen-e-Deoband ki tasasneef-o-aqaid ko. Balkay sab ko chooriye pehlay in hazrat ke Qurani tarajim ko hi parakh lijiye. Ilm chooriye agar thori aqal bhi rakhtay hon gay tu deobandi Qurani tarajim mein kharabi aasani se nazar aa jaye gi aap ko. Or ye silsila waha khatam nahi hua balkey ap dekh saktey hain key Shia Hazrat bhi bohat sarey apney Aqaid ko sahi sabit kerney key liyain essi mohtaram Hastion ki books or un key hawaley deytey hain jo na sirif Shia Hazrat key liyain Mohtaram hain balkey Ehley Sunnat key liyain bhi mohtaram hain. Alhumdulillah aaj tak kisi munaziray mein Shia hazrat ne apnay aqaid sunni akabir se sabit nahi kiye. Kam'az'Kam ye soorat-e-haal Ahle'Sunnat wa Jamat ke saath tu paish nahi aiee. Haa aap ye zaroor keh saktay hain ke Shia iss tarah ke jhootay hawalajaat paish kar ke apnay aqaid sabit karne ke NAKAAM koshish kartay hain iss ke siwa kuch nahi. Deobandi hazrat tu Shias ke hathoo bhi zaleel hotay rehtay hain aksar-o-baishtar. Khud Rasheed Gangohi ka fatwa hai ke Ashaab-e-Kiram ki takfeer karne wala sunnat jamat se kharij nahi (takfeer tu phir door ki baat hai), iss ke ba'wajod deobandis ki SSP naaray lagata nahi thakti "Kafir kafir shia kafir". Deobandiyo ko chahiye ke ya tu apnay akabir mufti ke fatway ko jala de ya phir SSP ko dabbay mein band kar dein. Kia in Shia Hazrat ki books main diey hoey Mohtaram Hastion key hawalon key mutabiq humain Shia Hazrat key Aqeedey ko bhi qabool kerna chahiey ? kio key ye batain Shia Hazrat key mutabiq Muqadas Hastion key irshadat hain or ye Muqadas Hastiyan humarey liyain bhi intehai qabil-e-Ehtaram hain. Awwal tu Shias ki taraf se paish kiye gaye hawalajaat ki jaanch kijiye aya ke hawala sahi bhi hai ya ghalat. Agar koi riwayat hai tu rawi kis qadar mutabirr hai waghaira. Ab shia apnay kisi ghalat aqeeday ko sabit karne ke liye kisi sunni alim ka hawala paish karta hai tu phir 2 hi sooratein hongi. Ya tu hawala jhoota ya layk-e-istadlaal na hoga, ya phir uss sunni ka uss mamlay per aqeeda ghalat hoga. Issi liyain hi ye sawalat ki attachment apkey pas hai key jab sarey log mukhtalif Buzrugan-e-Deen ki books key hawalon sey or ek hi Quraan Pak or sab key pas ek hi Ahadees Pak key Hawalon sey apney Aqaid ko durust sabit karay or Quraan Pak or Ahadees Pak wo Buzrugan-e-Deen key hawaley sab key liayin qabil-e-ehtaram hoon to phir such or ghalat ka faisla kesey ho? is ko in sari baton ko zehan main rakh ker perhain or sochain phir jawabat inyat farmaey . Janab Qadiyani ne bhi apnay aap ko Nabi sabit karne ke liye Quran ko daleel banaya. Apnay matlab ke maani nikal kar apnay aqeeday ko sacha manwanay ki koshish ki, tu kya aap Qadiyanio ko muslim maan lein gay sirf iss bina per ke woh hawalay ke tour per Quran ko paish karta hai?? Faisla tu ho chuka ke koun ghalat hai koun sahi. Quran-o-Hadith aaj se nahi zamanay se mojoud hai. Baat hai tu sirf uss faislay ko samajhnay ki. Aur aap apni hi kahi baat se kyu bhaagtay hain. Aap ne likha ke; hum ye baar baar keh rahy hain key likhi hoi bataon or amali tor per honey main bohat faraq hota hai.likhi hoi batain ager aap amli dekha sakey to..... Tu yaha ager aap amli dekha se kya muraad hai aap ki? Shia ke mutta ke aqeeday ke mutalliq aap ke hisaab se tu mutaliba ye hona chahiye ke Mutta ke mutalliq shia ke aqeeday per tehreeri nahi, amali saboot dijiye! Bilkul ghair'mantaki si baat hai janab. Kitabo mei aqaid moujod aur kitabein jo ki tu chaapi jaa rahi hain iss se barh kar aur kya amli saboot chahiye aap ko? or rehgai bat dekh ker belive kerna ki to is waqat bat horahi hai jo aqeedey Pakistan or India main nazar atey hain wo Arab country main ya or dunia ki country main azar kio nahi aatey? ager poori dunia main barelvi aqeedey key log hain ? to issi tarha nazar ana chahiey jesey Pakistan or India main nazar atey hain? Aap Pakistan ya India ke ilawa Arab mumalik ya deegar mumalik mein kitna time guzaar chukay hain? Arab mumalik mein nahi magar mein ba'zaat-e-khud USA aur London mein Milad ki ba'barkat mehfilay attend aur munaqqid hotay dekh chuka hon. Rahi baat ke tamaam maamlaat waisay hi nazar aanay chahiye jaisay Pakistan ya India mein nazar atay hain tu ye intihai bachkana si baat hai. Her mulk ke apnay qawaid hotay hain aur apna tarz-e-zindagi hota hai. Pakistan aur India mein muslim ki tadaad as compare to the rest of the world kitni hai iss ka andaza aap ko bhi hoga. So Pakistan aur India mein jo hota hai woh yaha ke rasm-o-riwaj aur rehn sehn ke hisaab se hota hai. Yaha masjido mein Imam taqreer Urdu mein karta hai ti USA mein Imam taqreer English mein karta hai. Kehnay ka maqsad ye ke andaz ka badal jana kisi cheez ke na honay ki daleel nahi. Sari dunya mein Milad ki mahafil hoti hain, andaz alag hai. Umeed hai ke baat samajh aa gai hogi. Waisay ye baat karne se pehlay aap ko chahiye tha ke Saif-ul-Islam bhai ki last post per diye gaye links check kar lete. Abhi tak aap ka yehi shewa raha hai ke aglo ke sawal ka jawab diye baghair apni kahay jaa rahay hain. So ab zara ihtiyaat baratiye ga. Aap se Sagg-e-Attar bhai ne kuch sawalaat kiye hain jin ka jawab aap ki taraf se abhi tak nahi aya. Mazeed agay post karne se pehlay unn sawalaat ka mufassil jawab dijiye.

Likhi howi baat agar isnaad ke saath yani deegar ulema ki taraf se mustanadd ho tu infiradi amal se zyada mutabirr hoti hai. Deobandi hazrat ki qabil-e-aiteraaz batein unhi ki ulema ne likhi, unhi ke ulema ne tasdeeq ki, unhi ke makatib ne chaapi! Agar unhay ye ghalti tasleem thi tu phir aisi kitabo ka awwal tu chaapna nahi chahiye tha, agar chap gai aur baad ke logo ko ihsaas ho gaya ke ghalat baat hai tu uss ki tardeed honi chahiye thi jo ke nahi howi. Shia ke mutta ke mutalliq aqeeday se tamaam sunni ikhtilaaf kartay hain. Yaqeenan aap bhi kartay hongay, tu ye aiteraz unn ki kitabo mein moujoud aqeeday per hai. Yaa phir aap ko amli tour per kisi shia ko mutta kartay dekhne ke baad ikhtilaaf hai?

Office ki masroofiyat ki wajeh se late aya hon iss topic mein... Well Nasir sahab, aap se mera tu sirf aik hi sawal. Scholar level per Syria mein kitnay wahabis/najdi/deobandi/ghair'muqallid hain? Waisay Syria (Shaam) ke baray mein Huzoor-e-Pur Noor ki hadith-e-mubaraka tu parhi hi hogi aap ne.

Rather than discussing the article you've posted you're now yelling about totally irrelevant things. EVEN IF these statements and SCANs were true...you are basing your facts on mistakes? Lets suppose if they are all mistakes, are there any on-record official repentance from those scholars? If not, WHY? These books are being published since years now. All deobandis did so far is changing a few words! And even that doesnt change the meaning. Try to come up with something strong enough if you really wants to clear things up. Didn't the Prohphet say to overlook the mistakes of your brotehrs and sisters in Islam. Several queries been sent to aforementioned deobandi scholar about those blasphemous statements. They had the chance to repent from what they uttered, or according to you, from what they mistakenly wrote. But unfortunately they didnt. The takfeeri verdicts been given after persistence. No such official repetance ever been shown by those scholars or even by their followers so far. Even they do defend what you're assuming as "Mistakes" and even you posted an example of such a wasted justification by Ibrahim Desai. Those scholars lived their lives without repentance, they had the chance to repent from their mistakes or prove themselves as "not guilty" and thus died in the state kufr. I'm FED UP to see people that have nothing better to do then insult each other, "Insult each other", means you're accusing the opponents (deobandis) of insutling us, just as the way you accused us of "insulting" them! Another simply query comes here (though you never answered any so far but I still dont count you as "hopeless") Did you ever bother to tell them (deobandis) the same things which you're telling us? Did you ever bother to bawl out on your father (as he is a deobandi) just as the way you're bawling at this forum? All I did is posting facts from deobandi's very own authentic books and it seemed "insult" to you. But even after reading all that blasphemous crap you didnt condemn those statements. This clearly elaborates your stance, a typical "Mein na mano ga" kind of Wahabi! We've seen many so you failed to surprise us. Just search through the forum and you'll find a lot of your *kind* runnig away from the discussions they themselves started. usually there just people that don't even pray 5x a day and have fun taking part of issues like this. Kaan ka Chaqsa I would say. I can imagine the height of frustration you're on! Deobandis openly denies Prophet's knowledge of unseen but yet you're declaring such a statement about those whom you've seen in your life. How come you're aware of the "usual people" here that they dont pray 5 times a day? If its a assumption then please tell us what are grounds this assumption based on? I'd say usually your kind of people have nothing to do in their pathetic life except bringing up an issue and when gets smacked with facts, tries to get away with such lame statements! Khisyani billi khamba noochay I'd say. I hope it wont offend you as its the same tone you've used. I'm very dissapointed to see the lack of respect and adab on this forum. I'm out. I am not dissappointed as you arent the first of your kind I've came across (hell! I got an archive !). I evaluated you right after reading your first few postings that just as a typical deobandi/wahabi/najdi, you're unaware of what actually those scholars said whom you're trying to defend. Just as I said, you didnt really surprise me. And please dont talk about "adab" and "respect". Even after being warned you didnt bother to write complete durood instead of "S.A.W" and "S.W.T" but when its comes to your buffoons like Gangohi, Nanotwi, Thanvi, your post addressed them as "rahimahulla, may ALlah have mercy on them -Thumma Ameen". I personally wont even spit on such a "ba'adab" person! Thanks for being with us for this long. This discussion might help some Ihl-e-Imaan to find the truth.

Clarification # 1 In clarification of the first point, Ibrahim Desai says; “For example, Firawn is promised to be thrown into Hell, but Allah Taala has the power to enter him into paradise, although He will never give him paradise.” *Sigh* Common sense is really not so common in Deobandis. I even seriously doubt Ibrahim Desai being a Mufti! The idea Ibrahim Desai trying to impose on people is that Allah has the power to do anything/everything. No doubt about it that Allah has the power to anything/everything as per his holiness! If a non-muslim comes to you and says that you people believe that Allah can do anything/everything then it means your Allah can do bad things too, what would be your response? Obviously (if you have imaan and an ounce of brain) you would say that Allah has the power to do everything but things which are upto his standard! Like a King can do anything he wants, but he surely wont be dancing nude on the streets. A King wont do it cause its not according to his esteemed position. Go and ask Ibrahim Desai that if Allah promised to throw Firawn in hell then how come its possible that Allah will go against what he promised? If its not possible then whats the point of saying Allah can do this, but wont do this? All the deobandis CAN do adultery with their very own mothers, although they will never do. Surely if I say this in public, they’ll declare me as filthy as a swine! Your father CAN dance like a buffoon wearing nothing but a clown’s hat but he will NOT. Surely it’ll offend you because I am presuming a thing which cant be happen. No one has any doubts about the power of Allah . Allah can do anything which suits his almighty status. Do we really need to attribute bad things to Allah to praise his Almighty powers? This could'nt be a part of Imaan! Clarification # 2 I don’t know what made Ibrahim Desai utter such a nonsense! What Omnipresence has to do with the title “Rahmatullil Aalameen”? I can drag Ibrahim Desai for miles over this “Omnipresence” issue as well but that’ll be irrelevant here. But there are few points related to the title Rahmatullil Aalameen which Ibrahim Desai had no idea about. Allah entitled Prophet as “Rahmatullil Aalameen”. Mercy to the “Aalameen” = More than one Aalam. No particular period is defined that from this to that period Prophet is a mercy to that aalam and from that to that period a mercy to another aalam. Thus its an established fact that the mercy is for all the worlds (aalameen) at the same time and the mercy is Prophet ! An open evidence of Omnipresence from the title itself. Anyways. lets get back to the title, “Rahmatullil Aalameen”and its so called “Clarification”. The title “Rahmatullil Aalameen” bestowed especially on non other but our Prophet . I challenge the whole Deobandiyat to show me ONE single reference since the creation of the universe that Allah , Prophets, Saints or even an ordinary muslim ever entitled anyone else other than Prophet with this title! And yet these morons call us “biddati”! This title exclusively been used to address Prophet in Quran, in hadith, in every muslim era! We are better off with the 1400 years of Islamic history than this lame mulla's diabolical theories! Clarification # 3 “But the method adopted, like beating the chest, tearing the garment, pulling the hair, slapping the face, shouting slogans of 'Yaa Hussayn, Yaa Hussayn' and taking out processions to parade in the streets, is what Hadhrat Moulana has stopped and said is Haraam.” Look at the verdict of Gangohi and look at what Ibrahim Desai babbling about! The disputed verdict is about the lecture or discussion over the Shahaadat of Hadhrat Imaam Hussayn . Com’on! Pulling hear, beating the chest and all that is not a part of discussion or lecture! Its called “matam”. Is this sensible that one asks you about the lecture and discussion and you keeps on babbling about the processions parades, beating chest, slapping face? Another lame taweel! Why actually Mr. Gangohi, the master of Ibrahim Desai’s masters didn’t write the verdict in an elaborative way as Ibrahim Desai did? Look at the verdict. All it covers is lecturing and stuff. Its Ibrahim Desai who is adding all that matam crap in it as a lame justification to cover up Mr. Gangohi inadequacy as a Mufti! Clarification # 4 “The Barelvis belief is this, that on the plains of Karbala the martyrs sacrificed their life in thirst. Therefore, the water that is given here as a drink, reaches them.” I hereby challenge all the deobandis on the face of earth to provide the reference of the above statement! Just a single one! But I know, let alone the ordinary deobandis even Ibrahim Desai wont come forward in this regard. Look at Mr. Gangohi’s verdict again. Does it say anything about the water reaching to the martyrs of Karbala or anything related to it? It simply says that providing free water and feeding milk or sharbat to people is Haraam in the month of Muharram. Whereas this very same renowned mufti said in this very fatawa that; “During the Hindu festivals of Holi or Diwali, our teacher, master or servant sends kehli or puris (types of food) as a present to us. Is eating or feeding this to Muslim teachers, masters or servants correct or not?” Answer: It is correct. (Fatawa Rasheediya) Feeding milk or sharbat to people is haram in the month of Muharram, but its Halal to eat Hindu's puris at the ocassion of holi/diwali! Is this Islam? This isnt the end, read on for further ridiculous fatwas like this; "Praying at Fatiha gatherings or eating/feeding people shirini (sweets over which Qur’an was recited) on Friday night (meaning Thursday evening) is an innovation of misguidance. It should not be done at all cost!" (Fatawa Rasheediya) What about this now? You cant even use Ibrahim Desai's lame justification here! Clarification # 5 The view of Hadhrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is that: Hadhrat Moulana was asked, 'Did you in Hifzul Imaan or any other book write anything directly or indirectly comparing the education of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) to that of children, lunatics and animals? If not then what is your ruling regarding a person who holds such a belief?' In reply to that Moulana states, 'Let alone writing such falsehood and filth, my heart had never even perceived such falsehood and verily if anyone holds such a belief he is out of the fold of Islam.' (Faisal-e-Khusoomat pg. 21) First of all, we are not talking about what Ashraf Thanvi been asked about or what he said in refutation of that. We first have to see whether Ashraf Thanvi wrote such a blasphemous statement in his book or not. If a theif gets caught he wont ever say that he really did anything wrong. He'll try his best to veil the truth by crying that he didnt do anything and thats the same Ashraf Thanvi tried to do. However if you really wants to examine the truth just check the book yourself and you'll come to know what Ashraf Thanvi wrote. Below are the original scans from Ashraf Thanvi's Hifz-ul-Imaan, published by Kutb Khana Aziziya, Deoband. I am sure you can read it properly as you earlier said; If you think its fake, please provide something which actually proves it a fake.

I dont know whats your logic here behind asking what you already know. Yes, they are swirling dervishes. Yes, I do read some of his work. Do you? I or anyone else here wont accept what you personally thinks about Ibn Abdul Wahab's movement. Try disucssing his movement with historical facts. You say Ibn Abdul Wahab started with this and that and I say "Its nothing but a pile of lies". If my words cant be an acceptable refuttal, then yours cant be a logical justification. I hope you're getting what I am trying to say here. I wasnt really expecting the same ol' wahabi favourite "shrine worshipping" and "shirk oh shirk" songs from you! Can you please show us some historical facts about who were these people who were actually doing all that "shrine/grave worshipping"? Since how long they've been doing it before Ibn Abdul Wahab's era? How things were going in Hijaz, before the Wahabi/Saudi (Aal-e-Saud) army attacked the most sacred places in the universe? Why Ibn Abdul Wahab’s very own father had warned muslims from him, as did his biological brother, Sulayman Ibn Abdul Wahab who refuted him in his book entitled "al-Sawa’iq al-Ilahiyya fi al-radd `ala al-Wahhabiyya" “Divine Lightnings in Refuting the Wahhabis”? Why even Ibn Abdul Wahab's teacher didnt support him and even warned people about his anti-sunni beliefs? There are so many to go but lets just wait for your answers on these. It seems like you do consider Ibn Abdul Wahab as reformer of Islam, and on the other hand you says that you're Hanafi Muqallid! Do I need to tell you that Wahabis refute Taqleed completely? On a serious, I doubt you being a Muqallid! May Allah forgive me if I am wrong but thats all you made me feel so far. When its about takfeer, dont just guess! Try to search for the truth. We dont just call them "Kafir Kafir", we do prove them kafir from their very own writings and beliefs. Dont be scared with terms like "Wahabi Deobandi". Please refrain declaring something "nonsense" if you dont really know the facts. Dont blame us if you're unaware of the relations between Deobandis and Wahabis. And please, we really dont need to know who your father is! Sorry if it offends you but we are not talking about individuals like your father. What authority your father has? None! So we cant just rely on your father's opinion/beliefs etc. The fact is, Deobandis use their most famous policy called "Loota'ism" when it comes to Wahabism. Let me show you some examples; I hope you know who is Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi and how authentic he is to deobandis. You can ask your father about him as well. Here Mr. Gangohi says that; "People address Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab as "Wahabi". He was a nice man". Mr. Gangohi further says; "The followers of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab are known as "Wahabi". Their beliefs were excellent". Later on Mr. Ganoghi contradicted his own description of the term "Wahabi" and switched to this definition; "These days in surrounding religious people and follower of sunnah are called "Wahabi". Such a contradiction is rare, but not among deobandis. Anyways, lets take a look what an another renowned Deobandi scholar says in this regard. Khalil Ahmed Saharunpuri, entitled as "Fakhr-ul-Muhaddiseen" by deobandis says; I dont think I need to discuss it further. If you cant get it after all of this than its more like you dont want to get it. There are several more evidences which proves their allegiance against Ahle'Sunnah. Even the "Hakeem-ul-Ummah" of Deobandis, Ashraf Thanvi proudly called himself "Wahabi"; "Brother, here Wahabis reside, do not bring anything for Fatiha, Niyaz etc." (Ashraf-us-Sawaneh, Vol. 1, Pg. 45) I think Rasheed Gangohi, Khalil Saharanpuri and Ashraf Thanvi's statements are more authentic to Deobandis than your father's! Let us know what actually you want in English from that website (Ja-alhaq). We'll try our best to provide what you want.

Wahabi - worst than dogs, 100% true to an extent! None of the dogs ever been reported disrespecting Prophet but Wahabis. About your statment "the goal of wikipedia search was to give a "CLEAR AND SIMPLE DEF", pardon me but its really idiotic to the highest extent. Is wikipedia that authentic or even elaborative when it comes to such religious issues? Wikipedia isnt an authentic islamic scripture on which one can rely so firmly. Try searching for Shias at wikipedia, even Ahmedis. Do you really accept the introduction given by wikipedia just as you accepted about Wahabis? The bottom line is, you cant just clear things up by quoting excerpts from Wikipedia. Its simply not that simple as you're trying to present. I got another query here, you said "we cant generalize a whole movement based on 2-3 people that are corrupt". Previously you said you know a few of Wahabis personally. Now these "few" counts as "2-3" or the whole group which you dont really know? And whom you referring as "2-3 corrupt people"? Who actually are thay? Name them. Amr ibn Hisham, try searching with the keywords "amr ibn hisham" and you will get the wikipedia entry for him. And as you said, "Abu Jhal deserved that title since he was a kafir-munaffiq and hated the Porphet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wassallam". It means you believe that if someone hates Prophet , disrespects him, is a kafir and deserves such a title. But when it came to entitling Wahabis with what they deserve, you came up with statements like "Is this the way the Prophet taught us to speak and address others?". And now when it came to Abu Jahl, you are presenting the same phenomenon which we hold about Wahabis. I dont know you did it intentionally or unintentionally, but you are condraticting your very own statements now. We believe Wahabis to be the most blasphemous sect as per their authentic writings and beliefs, declare them infidel for their heresy and thus it is OK to entitle them with what they deserve as per your very own standard which you mentioned regarding Abu Jahl.

Just because you know a bunch of Wahabis/Salafis personally, you are declaring the masses who denounce Wahabism with massive amount of irrefutable facts as errorneous! We denounce Wahabism as a whole, not on individual basis. You might have found some good people among them but thats not the case here. They've been declared blasphemous as per their authentic scriptures which contains a lot of filth. You've reminded a hadith-e-Mubaraka by saying "maybe in Allah eyes they are better then us". Let me quote the complete hadith here. Once we were in the presence and company of the Holy Prophet . He was distributing booties (Spoils of War) when a person named Zul-Khawaisara, who was from the tribe of Bani Tamim addressed the Holy Prophet "Oh Muhammad Be Just!" ". The Prophet replied: "A Great pity that you have doubts, if I am unjust then who will be just, you are a loser and a failure." Zul-Khawaisara's attitude infuriated Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) and he pleaded with the Prophet to permit him to slay Zul-Khawaisara. The Prophet remarked: "Leave him, as his slaying will serve no good purpose, as he is not the only individual but there are a host of others like him and if you compare their prayers and fasting to that of yours, you yourself will feel ashamed. These are the people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, with all these apparent virtues they will leave the fold of Deen just like the arrow leaves the bow." (Miskhat Shareef) 1. Zul-Khawaisara about whome Prophet prophesied that "From his progeny will rise a Group who", was from the tribe of Bani Tamim. Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi was also from the very same tribe. 2. Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) pleaded Prophet to permit him to slay Zul-Khawaisara. Why? Just because he said "Be just" to Prophet . If you were there at that moment will you be asking Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) to be calm that such a person dont deserve such a severe punishment? 3. Prophet prophesied that there'll be more like Zul-Khawaisara and they'll be good at prayers to such an extent that when you'll compare their prayers to yours, you'll be ashamed. Just as (in an extent) you said. This isnt the only hadith which elaborates the Wahabi creed. There are several more, even a lot of ahadith describes the distinctive physical attribute of that particular "group" that is "shaven heads" which is prominent in Wahabiya creed. So the things here is, we dont need one's personal evaluations when it comes to Wahabiya creed as we have Prophet's word. I will try to post further details soon .

It was nothing more than a simple question. I dont know which part you failed to get. You've done a nice job by posting excerpt from wikipedia regarding Wahabis but I dont understand why you didnt bother to do the same with Amr ibn Hisham. Anyways, let me elaborate it. You said; My post was mainly a reply to that "name calling" thing. Amr ibn Hisham had been recognized as Abu al-Hakam (father of wisdom) and later on entitled as Abu Jahl by Prophet himself! If you did a search on Amr ibn Hisham, the way you did on Wahabis you would've figured out what actually was my point. Do you consider it "name calling"? If not, please enlighten us why? The adherents of this forum are Sunni Hanafi and relevantly Barailwi. And a humble request. Please write complete durood instead of "s.a.w", it'll take less than a minute. Consider it a policy of this forum. I hope you wont persist and wont give the mods a chance to edit your posts in future. Thank you.

nice work Saif-ul-Islam bhai! As for muslimah123, lets make it simple Amr ibn Hisham who used to be called Abu al-Hakam (father of wisdom) later entitled as ......... by ...........?