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  1. On 10/20/2020 at 8:07 PM, hanfigroup said:

    besharam   insan,
    kci    abujal    ki    old.
    post   ka   jawab    dy,    pahly  b tum  aisy   kar k jaan. bachaty ho.
    taira     bara munazara     saeedi    bagura     aik   saal    sy  farar   hy.   us   besharm     ko    b   kaho   j awab dy

    Aik aur baat, muj say jitni bi tumari baat huwi aur jis mozoo par bi huwi tum sab par hi la-jawab huway aur aakhir mein aik hi shor sunahi deeya ... Urdu mein likho roman Urdu mein nahin. Mein sirf Urdu mein likhi huwi ka jawab doon ga.  Dosray tum ko ziyada moonh nahin lagatay keun kay un ko masroofiat, rozi roti, mehnat mazdoori, gar bar chalana, kheti-bari karna, Pakistan mein bijli ki problems, pesoon ki problems, is waja say woh chand pattay ki batenh likh kar chup ho jatay hen. Mein England mein betha hoon Allah kay karam say pesoon ko kami nahin. 2 din kaam karta hoon,  5 din khao piyo moj maro aur tumaray jaisay pagloon ki besati aur hidyat wasteh masroof raho. Yeh heh asal waja baqi keun chup kar jatay hen aur mein tumari shalwar ki jandi bana kar lehranay wasteh bi aa jata hoon. Wesay agar mujjay pata lag gaya kay tum kahan rehtay ho mein tumaray muhallay kay larkoon ki gawahi youtube kay channel par laga kar dam loon ga kay tumaray saath bachpan mein larkoon nay foul khela huwa heh. Us din say daro jis din mujjay pata chal gaya. Tumaray abbah, ammi, aur tumaray shanakhti card kay saath youtube par video gawahoon ki video upload karoon ga. Readers is baat ko note keren mein is ko bichlay doh teen saloon say sexual abuse ka victim teh-raha hoon aur is nay aik dafa bi is ka inqaar nahin keeya. Fiqha ki kitaboon mein heh kay Nikkah mein larki ki khamoshi qubuliat ka darja rakhti heh. Aur sexual abuse mein bi is khamoshi ko ilzaam ko qubul karna hee samajyeh.


  2. On 10/20/2020 at 8:07 PM, hanfigroup said:

    besharam   insan,
    kci    abujal    ki    old.
    post   ka   jawab    dy,    pahly  b tum  aisy   kar k jaan. bachaty ho.
    taira     bara munazara     saeedi    bagura     aik   saal    sy  farar   hy.   us   besharm     ko    b   kaho   j awab dy

    FARAAR kon huwa heh. Yeh toh idhar bi dekha ja sakta heh aur kon la jawab heh.

    Saeedi Sahib kay jawabat kafi hen. Aur jab zeroorat pari aur samji us ka jawab bi likh doon ga. Magr Saeedi Sahib aur aap ki guftgooh toh baad mein huwi
    HanfiGroup Sahib aap nay toh idhar Munazra Jhang ki rudad ki joh asal date maktaba Fareedia ki thi us mein tarmeem kar deeh - asal yeh thee:


    Original.jpg.78ae143f660cb1c3510980c2bebf1234.jpg

    Magr aap ki doka baazi kay nateejay mein yeh bani:

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    Is kay jawab say HanfiGroup Saab lachaar aur bekaar hen. Phir aap ki zaat e zaleela aur kameena nay yeh likha:

    1)  TIAIRA   MUNAZARA   SAEEDI AIK SAAL sy mairi post ka jawab dyny sy ajaz hy.      darpok pata nahe kc bil main chuppa hy.     
    2)   dono  faisala karny walon ny tum ko b ghustakh lekha k barelvion k dalil nisbatan wazni hyn.
    3) musanfeen 2no koe alam nahe thay. magar tairy ghar ka alam nasir u deen. ny lekha k barelvi munazara jang main kci baat ka jawAB NA dyska.
    4)  kabi munazara jang  life main para ba hy,   dekha kaisy kaisy taira molvi apny he bando ko ghair moutbar maan raha hy.
    agar itni shram aur gharat hy tu saeedi ki jaga tu jawab dydo. ( urdu main)   MAY 12TH ki post main saeedi jawab dyny sy alaza ageya tha

    Phir kia thah  kay mein nay zillat bey-hayahi aur bey-ghayrati mein beego kar aap ko chaar litr istera maray jistera kuttay ko hunter mara jahay toh woh tauvn tauvn karta bagta heh. Farq sirf yeh heh kay aap bagay nahin magr phir dheet ki tara ... shor dala huwa heh ... aur mar kar dekh... aur mar kar dekh:

    1. Pagal kuttoon kay moonh bi kabi kohi banda laga heh. Kutta ki zaat bhonkna heh joh aqal aur hoshiyar  banda heh kuttay ko bhonkta dekh kar sath bhonkta nahin balkay , dir dir karta heh aur apna rasta napta heh, Saeedi Sahib nay dir dir kar di magr kutta phir bi peechay paray toh Saeedi Sahib kia keren. Kutta apni zaat aur sifaat ki waja say majboor heh. Aur Saeedi Sahib qanoon Shariat say, pagal milay salam doh aur rasta loh.
    2. Jhangir ul-Lught mein  nisbat ka mana yeh heh: Do ijsaam kay darmiyan taqabuli  talluq, muqabala. Is waja say Nisbatan = muqabalatan =  comparatively, in relation to.   Yehni dalahil comparatively Ahle Sunnat kay wazni hen.  Yehni agar donoon jammatoon kay dalahil mein muqabila keeya jahay toh phir Sunniyoon kay dalahil  Deobandi dalaihil kay muqabileh mein wazni hen. Yeh joh tum nay jhoot bola ya tumaray Maulvi nay bola kay nisbatan ka mani heh mamooli farq yeh kahan say nikala heh? Dictionary  mein say dekha doh kay nisbatan us waqt istimal hota heh jab do cheezoon mein mamooli farq ho. Jhootun say daal nahin galnay wali. Wesay toh aap kay uqabir Hussain Ahmad Madani lanahumullah  Allah kay muqabileh mein aisay chamar say zaleel thay aur dajjal say ziyada kameenay thay kitaben garh garh kay Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat alayhi rahma aur un kay walid say bi mansoob kar deenh. Aur aap toh bi Hussain Ahmad Madani kay ki asli roohani nazriati ulaad hen is waja say shahid kohi dictionary publish kar deeh ho jis mein yeh jhoot aur dajjaliat ka izafa kar deeya ho. Magr meray pass bi Allah kay karam say 5 Urdu dictionaries paree hen aik do 1980 say bi pehlay ki aur kuch us kay baad ki  dekhtay hen dajjaliat jheet-ti heh ya phir sach ka bol bala hota heh. Dawah aap ka aur daleel bi aap denh.
    3. Munasifeen 3 thay, 2 nahin thay. Lakeer kay faqeer khud bi kuch parh logh auroon ki batoon par kab taq ameen summa ameen kehtay raho gay. Agar munsifeen alam hotay toh phir kissi nah kissi firqeh kay hoteh aur woh janib dar hotay ghayr janab-dar nahin. Is leyeh school kay teacheroon ko hakumuati idaroon nay pakr bathaya thah takay un ko masloon ikhtilaf ka ilm nahin hoga toh phir ghayr janabdari say faisla kar denh gay. Agar Maulvi hotay aur Deobandi hotay toh kia faisla kartay? Agar Sunni hotay toh kia faisla kartay? Is Janab-dari say bachnay ki khatir ghayr alamoon ko pakr batthaya thah. Aur Munsifeen nay munazra kay shoroon mein baray wazia ilfaaz mein halfan kaha thah kay ham nay yeh ikhtilaf nahin pehlay sunay. Magar chawal ko is par bi ihtiraz heh.Aur haqiqat mein Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ki jahalat par ihtiraaz heh joh HanfiGroup ko pata lag gahi ... aalim nahin faisla nahin kar pahen gay ... yeh Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ko keun pata nahin thi. Aap jaisa chawal banda is baat ko samaj gaya, agar sahih samjay hen toh, aur Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ko yeh aqal nah aahi, toh nateejan kehnay ka haq rakhta hoon kay aap ka Haq Nawaz Jhangvi  aap say ziyada chawal aur bey-aqal thah jis ko yeh samaj nahin thi kay munsifeen Aalim nahin hen faisla kesay keren gay. Wsay haq ki baat yeh heh kay towheen aur ghaali ko samajnay kay wasteh Aalim hona zeroori nahin. Towheen, ghali, besati, ko samajnay kay wasteh Aalim hona zeroori nahin. Ismail Dehalvi Allah pakeezgi  muqabileh mein kuttay say bi ziyada paleet khanzeer say ziyada haram aur dajjal say ziyada ghaleez heh ... Kia Tawheed ka parchaar heh. Wah! Wah! Subhanallah keh denh. Abh Maulvi chayeh samajnay kay wasteh. Agar tum nay samaj leeh aur rawayatti Deobandi ghaali galoch par utar aya toh mein samjoon ga kay tum nay TOWHEEN DEHALVI KA FAISLA kar deeya ... aur woh bi jab tum AALIM nahin ... aye ray meray Allah yeh kesay mumkin huwa.  Dosri baat, Towheen ghali gustakhi bey-adabi ko samajnay kay wasteh banday ko Aalim nahin izzat-daar hona chahyeh. Gali towheen gustakhi bey-adabi banda mehsoos kar leta heh magr shart yeh heh kay banday ko izzat-dar hona chahyeh. Jab apni aur apnoon ki izzat aur ghayroon ki izzat o adab ka khayal ho. Jab yeh khayal ho toh phir banda mehsoos kar leta heh. Misaal kay tor par, aik buzurg banda, room mein ata heh aur nojawan jaga kursi khali nahin kartay aur buzurg ko farsh par bethna parta heh. Joh izzat-dar banda heh woh mehsoos kar leh gay yeh ghalat huwa. buzurg wasteh kursi khaali kar deni chahyeh thee ... magr bey-sharam o bey-haya aur zaleel kameenoon ko kabi samj nahin lagay gi. Buzurg ko kissi nay ghaali nahin deeeh sirf kursi khaali nahin kee toh towheen besati ho gayi. Aur choti si harkat par jab besati banda mehsoos kar leta heh toh sarri ghaali galoch ko samajnay wasteh Aalim hona kis waja say lazim huwa? Kia Sirf Maulviyoon ko hi ghaali galoch par oobaar hasil heh. Maulvi ki zeroorat tab ho jab ghali galoch ka tayyun karna Maulvi ki speciality ho. Gaali galoch toh sab ko ata heh aur izzat aur besati bi har kohi mehsoos kar leta heh. Maulvi hona lazam nahin is wasteh. Shahid gali galoch aap kay Maulviyoon ki speciality is waja say Aalim rakhna chahtay hoon. Mein kahoon HanfiGroup bari haram ki ulaad heh khalis haram ki ulaad aur taweel karoon kay haram say mana holy/sanctified thah bastard wala nahin thah ... Maulvi tayyun karay ga is ka kay gaali heh ya nahin? Ahle zubaan samaj saktay hen kay ihtimal toh heh manay ka magr jumla ki banawat sabat karti heh kay gaali deeh heh. Izat daar baneh, aur samjen kay aap ki izzat kis mein heh aur kis mein towheen gustakhi besati aur phir ussee ko auroon wateh bi mehsoos keren. Samaj jahen gay kay Deobandi uqabir ki ibaraat keun gustakhana aur Kufria hen. Raha Pir Naseer al-Deen ... ham nay Munazra suna, para, samja aur samjaya heh is leyeh ham ko pata heh haqiqat kia heh ... Pir Naseer al-Din Sahib nay nah kabi suna aur nah para. Munazra Jhang ko mein nay clean saaf shafaf kar kay upload kar deeya heh readers khud sun kar faisla kar lenh kay Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ki bolti Sunniyoon kay khilaaf keun band huwi thee. Wesay Haq Nawaz Jhangvi thah mard ka bacha ... aisa baga medaan say phir kabi wapis nahin aya ... zillat o shikast ka itna sakht sadma huwa bichara Kafir Kafir Shia Kafir karta mar gaya magr Sunniyon kay khilaaf phir zubaan nah kholi. Is ko kehtay hen Manzoor Ahmad Naumani wali zillat. Nahin Manzoor Naumani ki toh woh zillat huwi us ka daswan hissa bi Haq Nawaz ko nahin mila magr phir bi Haq Nawaz thah ba-haya ziyada mahsoos kar gaya ... Naumani toh ... toba toba sab kuch balkay dhoti izzat haya bi medaan mein chor baga thah. Dhoti ki izafat meri apni taraf say heh ... effect ki khatir add keeh heh ... haqiqat say talluq nahin he is ka.
    4. Munazra Jhang kohi panch dafa suna aur doh dafa par chuka hoon. Allamah Ashraf Sialvi Sahib rahimullah nay toh bar bar kaha sharait mein likha heh kay un kay dalahil hoon kay jin ki talimat ki waja say donoon Jammatoon ki bunyad qaim huwi. Hamaray Ulamah mein jin ki waja say yeh bunyad bani woh Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat,  Sayyid Naeem ad-Deen Muradabadi,  Maulana Sardar Ahmad,  Ala Hdhrat kay bhai, betay,, Maulana Hashmat Ali Khan  (Allah ka sab par karam o raham ho ameen). Aap kay Maulvi nay Ulamah mein say Alllamah Sialvi Sahib kay ham asar Ulamah kay referrence denay shoroon kar deeya ... misaal tor par Allamah Ucharvi rahimullah. Yeh jayyid Aalim toh hen magar Uqabir nahin. Is kay muqabileh mein Allamah Ashraf Sialvi rahimullah un Maulviyoon ka hawala deh rahay thay joh aap kay mazhab ki bunyad hen aap kay uqabir hen.  Yehni ham aap kay awal generation ki gustakhiyan sabat keren aur aap kay Haq Nawaz Sahib third generation Maulviyoon kay dalahil pesh karay.


    Itni zillat ko literol hona kay baad bi Saeedi Sahib jawab denh. Panga muj say aur jawab Saeedi Sahib denh. Abba hazoor say panga hi keun keeya heh keh yeh shor karnay par majboor ho rahay hen kay dada hazoor nay jawab nahin deeya. Dada hazoor aap ko moonh nahin laga rahay toh shor daala huwa heh magr apnay abba hazoor say keun baag rahay hen. Kia mein nay aap ki ziyada shalwar utaar deeh heh. Wesay mujjay kehna nahin chahyeh keun kay yeh bachoon ko shalwaren toh Deobandi madarassoon mein utari jaati hen aur kitaboon mein subut heh. Tumari bi utari hogi. Logh kehtay hoon gay kesa zalim heh buri memories ko refresh kar deeya heh zalim nay.


  3. On 10/19/2020 at 9:00 PM, hanfigroup said:

    KCI   KUTTON   KI   B    GATIYA   NASAL  SY TALUQ RAKHNY   WALY   INSANJ.

    IS   POST KA JAWAB   SAEEDI  NA DE SAKA  TU LEKH DY.       APNI   TAR TAR BAND KAR AUR JAWAB LEKH URDU MAIN.

    Mujjay pehlay hi pata thah kay tum ghaali doh gay. Bachpan mein sexual abuse hota raha heh jis kay nateejay mein aisi ghaleez gaali detay ho. Wesay tumara toh bachpan mein sexual abuse huwa Qasim Nanotavi toh Ashraf Ali thanvi ka sexual abuse boorapay mein karta raha. Aur woh bi bister leta kay jis tera ashaq sadiq sexual abuse karta heh. Aur  bey hadd beysharmi ki baat yeh kay woh bi larkoon kay samnay. Refference dekha doon. Tumaray maulviyun ka aik dosray ko sexually abuse karnay ka? Tumari ghalazat inneeh bey haya.hoon aur aur homosexual maulviyoon ka faiz heh. Mujjay pata heh tum aur bi gali doh gay magr mein janta hoon yeh tumari aik fitrat ban chuki heh aur yeh sab tumaray saath sexual ziyadti joh larkay kartay rahay hen us waja say heh. Tum mujjay muhalla bata doh kahan rehtay ho mein YouTube par gawah la kar pesh kar doon ga joh halfan gawahi denh gay kay larkay is kay saath jinsi talluq rakhtay thay. 

    Tum ziyada gaali deh kar is baat parda nahin dal saktay. Mein nafsiyati doctor hoon tumari joh profil banahi heh agar oesh karoon toh pata chalay.  Warna mein tumaray Maulviyun ki aur ghaaleez sexusk depravity dekhahoon ga ... 


  4. Jab pans jata heh ... Toh phir Urdu mein ... Urdu mein shoroon ho jaati heh. :}

    Wesay tum ussee tera ghali detay ho jistera Qasim Nanotavi apni maanh ko deta thah. Aur Ashraf Ali Thanvi apni jawan betiyoon ko ghaali deta thah ... Yehni gandi gandi ghaleez kism ki. Hussain Ahmad Madni nay Kitaab likhi thi in ghaaliyun par ... Ghaliban naam thah ... Uqabir Ulamah Haq Deoband Ki Pakeeza Ghaliyan ... Quote pesh e khidmat heh:

    "O kanjri keun neeh sunti ... Tehnoon kuttay khaan ... Tikki loon laggeh. Malang-gan naal tikki behjoon." [Ref: Uqabir Ulamah Haq Deoband Ki Pakeeza Ghaliyan, by Allamah Hussain Ahmad Madani, P133, Kutub-Khana Bey-Sharmi]

    Nazreenh dekh yeh phir ussee tera ghaali deh ga. 


  5. 4 hours ago, hanfigroup said:

    kci harami ki olad
    apni saeedi ko kah jawab dy.
    wo taira baap hy jo munazar jang k jawab dyny sy ajaz tha.  tum to gali k wo kutty ho jo bonkty he hyn.
    agar halali hy tu saeedi ki jaga post ka tu jawab lekh dyl. URDU MAIN
    post 12 may 2011.

    Woh ghali keun deta heh joh teri behnoon ko, biwi ko aur tumaray bachoon ko larkay saray aam detay hen?  Abh gussay mein ghaali detay ho kay kissi tara say jaan choot jahay HanfiGroup Saab magr jaan nahin chootnay wali. Aap ka woh hisaab heh jab chor pakra jahay toh zor zor say ghaali denay lagta heh ... teri man ki ... teri behan ki ... choroon ga nahin ... planning yeh hoti heh kay logh aa kar charwa denh gay .... Abh toh tum unchi unchi gaali denay lagay ho logh jama hoon gay aur churwa denh gay aur mein rasta naap loon ga aista  say. Woh kaam hi keun karo jis ko kar kay Hussain Ahmad Madani aur Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri ki tara kuttoon wali besati ho aur phir chupnay ki jaga nah millay. Yehni mangarat kitabenh aur doka-baazi say kaam hi keun loh ... Abh tum nay yeh doka-baazi  CLIMAX kay roop mein kee thee. Aur pakray janay ki waja say abh ghaali baazi par utar ahay ho. Idhar jawab doh, ghaali baazi say bach nahin pao gay.

    Tum nay CLIMAX kay roop mein yeh tahreef keun kee: 79 ko 78 mein keun badla:

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    VerdictDistortedByDeobandis.JPG.b51e8584971e56ebdd0b59e9a9185d82.JPG

    Aur woh bi tab doka baazi karna cha-hi jab yeh kitab publish heh. Kia samjay thay kay kissi ko pata nahin chalay ga. 10 SAAL BAAD chori pakri gaee.

    Kushboo aa nahin sakti kaghaz kay phooloon say.
    Haq chup nahin sakta banawat ki daleeloon say.

    Yeh aap ki banawat pakri gaee. Mein nay pehlay bi likha thah aur phir likhta hoon itni tofeeq bi nahin hogi kay yeh keh doh CLIMAX nay joh keeya ghalat keeya. Keun kay mujjay gadday zameer aur bey-asal khameer ka pata heh woh kia hota heh. Mein pyschologist hoon. Mein England mein mujrimoon ki courts ko sychological accessment kar kay behijta hoon. Tumaray jaisay ganday zameer aur bey-asal khameer waloon say maira roz ka pala heh aur mujjay pata heh kay tumari dumb par mein nay pehar rakha toh aur ghaali doh gay.  Yeh tumari ghalti nahin bachpan mein sexual abuse ki waja say abh tum samajtay ho mein ziyada gussa dekhahoon ga aur ziyada sakht lafz boloon ga toh mein bara qattar aur mukhlis nazr ahoon ga. Magr aisa hota nahin heh yeh sirf sexual abused bandoon ki aik flight of fantasy hoti heh. Logh irregular behaviour ko parh letay hen kay is ka damaghi tawazoh thora kharab heh .


  6. Quote

    Who’s not Sunni? I didn’t call anyone Sunni.

    I literally asked people to stop using the terms Rafidi and Takfiri. Why do you have a problem with not using those terms?

    And next time, explain yourself with civility instead of engaging in personal attacks and insults for someone you disagree with.

    You wrote:

    "Also, FYI, please refrain from using the terms Rafidi or Takfiri. They are considered derogatory towards the Shia & Sunni."

    In other words, you wrote Rafidhi is derogatory termed used for Shias, and Takfiri a deragatory termed used for Sunnis. I said Takfiri are not Sunni.

    Takfiri is used for Wahhabi who finds one or another way to declare Muslims as Mushrik. I was a former TAKFIRI. Read sections eleven, twelve, nineteen in following link:

    https://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/24630-my-story-of-how-i-became-orthodox-muslim-from-guidance-to-misguidance-to-guidance/?tab=comments#comment-103908

    Sunni is not a Wahhabi, Wahhabi is not Sunni. Word Takfiri is used not for Sunnis it is used for Wahhabis. When you said Takfiri is used for Sunnis derogatorily it indicates you have included Wahhabism/Tafirism in Sunnism.

    You will not find Takfiri is also used for a Khariji. There is no difference between core teaching of kharijism and Wahhabism therefore Wahhabism is an offshoot of Kharijism:

    - Kharijis declared Sahabah Mushriks - Wahhabis believed/believe vast majority of Muslims are guilty of major Shirk i.e. Mushrik for one or anothr reason.

    - Kharijis declared Muslims to be Kafir/Mushrik for major sins - Wahhabis declare Muslism to be Mushrik/Kafir for committing haram act at graves of Awliyah-Allah i.e. prostrating on graves.

    - Kharijis rebelled against and believe it is required to rebel against leadership of country which does not judge by Islam - Wahhabis are exactly same and proof is in pudding Isis, Boko Haram, al-Shabab, al-Qaidah, TTP, apart from western country virtually every Muslim country has a Wahhabi rebellios group fighting to over-throw goverment.

    - Kharijis killed Muslims with imputiny, leaving Mushriks/Kafirs, they specificly targetted Muslims. Wahhabis killing Muslims is favorite pass time ever since emergence of Wahhabis and Saudi state. You think the Isis were bad ... o boy ... original Wahhabis followers of Shaykh al-Najd Saykh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab ... were ten times extreme as Isis. What they did in Arabia to Muslims after charging them of being Mushrik ...

    - Khawarij judged Muslims to be Mushrik on labels and not on detail and Wahhabis do exactly the same. Khariji Allah is Rauf Raheem ... Sunni Prophet is Rauf Raheem ... Khariji you're Mushrik Kafir ... killing you is halal for me. When reality is Allah said in Quran Prophet is Rauf ar-Raheem. Lazi similarity but we Muslims judge Shirk on basis of detail not on label alone. Allah was Rauf Raheem from eternity and by his ownself ... Prophet is created rauf raheem and Allah made him rauf raheem ... there is no equality there is no Shirk ...

    Khwarij accused Sahabah of introducing innovations when in reality they were themselves innovators - Every Wahhabi does exactly the same. When you say to them why you do this they say we are sorting things out --- exactly what Khawairij said ...

    Wahhabis are offshoot of Kharijis and Takfiris like them.

     


  7. To begin with Hadith about 73 sects:

    https://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/1
    https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/40/35
    https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/66
    https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/40/36

    Are you saying Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi wa'sallam) lied about 73 sects out of which 72 sects will go to hell and one SECT will go to paradise? Are you saying you know better then Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) and his Messenger (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) about what will happen in the Ummah? If I am an idiot and fitna what will you say same about Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) because he himself said there will be 73 sects? Point I am making is in ISLAM there are SECTS and Prophet said there will be sects but ONLY ONE SECT from them will enter paradise.

    Stop talking modernist uneducated rubbish. When Prophet of Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) has said something maggot like you is not worth anything to contest and discredit what he uttered. He said there will be 73 sects, and there will be 73 sects, and various sects such as Shia, Deobandi, Wahhabi, Sunni, Khariji, Mutazili are sects from these 73 sects and to say they are a sect and to make distinction between them with a label is perfectly absolutely fine.

    In fact the Sahabah were the first one to make distinction of sects:

    https://sunnah.com/nasai/22/229

    Harurriyah were the very first sect of Khawarij. In fact Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was;sallam) named Khawarij as qarn ash-Shaytaan (i.e. group/horns of Satan):

    https://sunnah.com/muslim/54/58

    Sects are/were named after place of origin or person who caused the division. And objective of such labels is so that people do not confuse misguided teaching with Islam.

    Suppose Amr creates a belief and claims to be Muslim, he believes Allah is One because His mother, father, sons, daughters, wives died, therefore he is One, and he has no son, no mother, He cant beget or nor He was begotten. Technically this is Kufr and person who believes this is Kafir but this persons teaching will be named Amriyyah. Suppose we don't give it a distinctive label. He says it is Islam and and idiot like you says, its Islam. He publishes his belief with label Islam you read it as Islam. You say this is Islam but this not Islam. See the stupidity of it? NO! I doubt you were capable of understanding reason. Lets suppose your father had seven sons, he doesnt name you, distinctively he names all of you Islam. He calls Islam and all seven run to him. Hey Islam get me glass of water. Seven Islams running to him with glass of water. I made Islam inheritor ofmy property. Which Islam? Shhhh! Idiot they are my sons don't make division between them. Stupid wife you're Fitnah. You're cause of civil wars because you dried to make distinction between Islams.

    Names to places, people, rivers, sects, cars are given so dumb-asses like yourself can distinguish between and make it clear who/what is point of referrence. If all were Islam then how is reader going to understand that when I said Islam is wrong because it goes against teaching of Islam and teaching of this Islam are right because it agrees with Islamic sources. Have it your way you dumb-. Your type of political correctness is of dumb-asses with no brain. I am educated I know why labels are given - it makes easy to identify who and what I am talking about. If I say i live in a country, you ask me, which, I say shhhh you're dividing the Ummah there is only one country, we ard Ummah. What would you think? I live in a country, in a city, on a street, and my house has a number ... which country name ... easy to know region where i live, city further narrows it down, street even more, and house number even more, and which bedroom even more. Our quest is to identify and recognise and organise. With labels, names, we identify and organise. Amr I talked to Ali. Which one? the one who lives in a country? Where on earth, I said UK, where in UK, I said England, where in England, Derbyshire, each step identified bit more precisely. Names labels are used to identify and organise based on names and labels not to divide and conquer. We label sects because based on beliefs because it makes it easier to identify who I am talking about. I can convey my idea more accurately. If I say Muslims believe Muslims are Mushrik and it is permissible for muslims to kill such muslims. No one knows who believes who is Mushrik but if I say Wahhabis believes Sunnis are Mushrik and it is permiisble to kill them it suddenly becomes clear and I have conveyed my message accurately. Labels/names are given for purpose of identifying and organising.

    I lost IQ talking to you.


  8. On 10/3/2020 at 6:20 AM, hanfigroup said:

    ....

    Pehli baat, Towheen ghali gustakhi bey-adabi ko samajnay kay wasteh banday ko Aalim nahin izzat-daar hona chahyeh. Gali towheen gustakhi bey-adabi banda mehsoos kar leta heh magr shart yeh heh kay banday ko izzat-dar hona chahyeh. Apni izzat aur ghayroon ki izzat o adab ka khayal ho. Jab yeh khayal ho toh phir banda mehsoos kar leta heh. Misaal kay tor par, aik buzurg banda, room mein ata heh aur nojawan jaga kursi khali nahin kartay aur buzurg ko farsh par bethna parta heh. Joh izzat-dar banda heh woh mehsoos kar leh gay yeh ghalat huwa. buzurg wasteh kursi khaali kar deni chahyeh thee ... magr bey-sharam o bey-haya aur zaleel kameenoon ko kabi samj nahin lagay gi. Buzurg ko kissi nay ghaali nahin deeeh sirf kursi khaali nahin kee toh towheen besati ho gayi. Izat daar baneh, aur samjen kay aap ki izzat kis mein heh aur kis mein towheen gustakhi besati aur phir ussee ko auroon wateh bi mehsoos keren. Samaj jahen gay kay Deobandi uqabir ki ibaraat keun gustakhana aur Kufria hen.

    Kia baat heh HanfiGroup Saab aap nay toh Manzoor Naumani, Tahir Hussain Gayawi* ki Sunnat par amal kar deeya. Wapis aa jahen, keun bagtay hen, meray sawal ka jawab denh. Keun aap nay tehreef ki. Mujjay pata heh yeh CLIMAX  aap hi hen. Bey-sharmi ko khamoshi say toba behtr heh. Toba kar lenh aur Deobandiat say taib ho jahen. Dekhen phir kabi bi esay zaleel nahin hoon gay. Abh toh aap ka zameer bi aap kay bey-iman o bey-Islam dil par lanatenh behij raha heh. Abh toh thori haya kar lenh. Ziyada nahin toh kam say kam yeh toh tasleem kar lenh kay CLIMAX nay ghalat keeya. Chalenh yeh nah manyeh ga kay CLIMAX aap hi thay magr CLIMAX ko ghalt to keh denh. Wesay mein janta hoon Deobandiyun mein HOLY DECEPTION jistera shiyoon mein taqqiyah heh. aap kay firqa mein doka e muqaddas ka nazria heh ... issee nazrieyh par aap kay uqabir ... kitabenh gar gar kar mansoob karnay walay maray aur aap baaqi deobandi bi is'see par qaim hen. Doka-muqaddas ka namoona CLIMAX sahib nay bi deeya heh. Aap kay bi kai doka-muqaddas pakray jahen agar ham ziyada tawajoh keren toh. Aur kuch nahin toh haya kar lenh.


    * Tahir Hussain Gayawi  munazra Tahzir al-Naas kay aakhiri/tesray din medaan nahin aya balkay raat ko hi baag gaya.


  9. PakFactor
    No, it's first time we are engaging with each other. However, I was intrigued with your knowledge of Islam and End of Time prophecies you've mentioned over the last few months. I wanted to ask how role does US and China play in the End of Times either Hadith or through a Wali Allah given knowledge. What got me was your quote whereas Islam would recoil back to Medina and Mecca as it started as something strange. We would be reduced in numbers to such an extent what about Europe & Co., they'll maintain their large populations.

    ---------------------

    There isn't great deal of detail available in Ahadith about what role will be played by who. With regards to China only Hadith that comes to my mind is ... seek knowledge even if you have to go to China ... Earlier scholars said the Hadith means ... seek knowledge even if you have to travel extreme distances ... My understanding in current context is that it means ... Muslims seek knowledge in China even if you have to bare brutality/restriction/suffering in China for Islam. There is nothing specific about what role it will play but it will not be good place to be Muslim in China.

    There is nothing specific about China/USA in Ahadith or what role they will play in end of times. Niamatullah Shah Wali made some predictions and I don't know source for where he got hit information. And as long as we do not have 100 yaqeen they are right and we interpret them in light of events happening then there is chance we might get some understanding. We do not expect he invented everything so it must be result of Kashf, or study of Quran. Sunni belief is Quran contains everyhting in it. Including the knowledge of our meeting and you sending me message. Quran is basicly condensed version of perserved tablet (i.e. lawh al-mafooz). This is clear from text of Quran. There is Hadith that Ibn Abbas (radiallah ta'ala anhu) said if i loose my camels rope, I will read the Quran and find it. In other words my reading of Quran would tell me where the rope is because location is written in Quran. So it is likely that Niamatullah Shah Wali rahimullah studied Quran and found out details and wrote them. But as human he could have made mistake so we express certain degree of doubt and should deem it suspect to a certain degree. After saying this now I wana say, I have found great details in his account of what will happen and I am some what convinced he got his Ijtihad right. You can just google/youtube his predictions. There is quite a lot of stuff available on internet with regards to his predictions.

    According to Niamatullah Shah Wali rahimullah. There will be a war with Russia,China, Europe VS UK/USA. And UK leaving European Union has kind of hinted toward this happening. Europe and UK/USA are at odds now and gradually this divide will increase. With regards to Israel coming decades, centuries, Europe and USA will distance themselves from Israel or maybe fall out with them. And Hadith says 1800 ships of Muslim countires will come to liberate Jerusalem. That points to gradual unification of Muslims. Turkey, Pakistan, and others are gradually begin to rise and challenge the Western world order and over decades and centuries it will only get more pronounced and clear as they get stronger millitarily and economicly. So when Imam al-Mahdi fights Dajjal with Prophet Isa alayhis salam there would be Israel on its own with no backing from West. Could be that they fight and destroy themselves. However it happens one thing is clear Israel will be alone.

    With regards to Hadith Islam started something strange:

    https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/40/24

    it will become something strange. Originally the order of world was polythism in Arabia. Tawheed and its teaching of giving charity to poor looking after weak was against the concept of survival of fittest and many gods. People looked at Islam. You said there is one God ... ha what a weird concept how can one God do all the work on earth ... strange philosophies you Muslims are coming out with ... Then Islam became norm. Nothing about it was strange and weird. And in past 100 year or so, Islam is and Muslim is once again becoming strange. You what mate ... why is your wife covered so much ... look at mine she looks amazing with painted-on for clothes ... You're so weird and strange. You're backward. We are backward, strange once again. And future generations it will get worse. Prophet said time will come that to hold a red hot coal would be easier then to be a Muslim. Why? Because when you do tricks people cheer you on. Hurrayyyy!! Clap! Clap! Bravo! Amazing! Do it one more time. You're amazing, You have super pwoers. But when you be a Muslim? WTF is wrong with you. Why are you subjugating your wife. Why is she dressed. Why isn't she allowed to be naked and why arent you daughter not having with whoever they want with your approval ... you;re backward. I other words you will be assaulted for being Muslim and practicing Islam, looked down upon, physically attacked ... then what will happen ... people change ... Is-haaq will now be ... I-Sack ... to fit into culture society and to prevent people making fun of you ... you i and every Muslim will begin to wear trouser, wont give salam, will go to Christmas parties because not going will make us seem unsociable, we will do things to fit in even if that means going against Islam and leaving Islam in your cellar. Getting back to my point. It will be strange and then social govermental pressure will be applied to change us and it will happen.

    Hadith doesnt say Islam will retreat to Madinah it says Iman will retreat to Madinah. If I wrote Islam retreats to Madinah then I was wrong:

    https://sunnah.com/urn/1281410
    https://sunnah.com/muslim/1/281

    With this correction you will now understand that it does not mean there will be few Muslims. There will be many many Muslims but nominal Muslims, la ilaha il-Allah ... reciting Muslims but not practicing Muslims. There is a Hadith, i could not locate it, it says that Prophet was asked when the Kafirs will do ... will we be few he said you will be like foam of sea water i.e. countless ... but love of earthly life, comforts, pleasures, greed would weaken you. So technically the true Islam and true Muslims will only be in Madinah rest of Muslims would fall into innovations in belief and practice. Then Imam al-Mahdi come and wake the sleeping giant. And Islam will rule like it ruled before. Scholars said this is because Allah wants to demonstrate to Kafirs doesn't matter how strong you're even super powrs religion of Allah is to dominate. Allah said in Quran that Islam will dominate all religions and rule of Islam will reach all conrners of earth and so will its message. And this will happen because Allah said he does not destroy a nation until a Messenger is sent to them teaching to good and prohibitiing from evil. And once they reject Allah punishes them. So Islam will dominate and the message of Islam/Quran will reach ever house hold on earth un tempered in its truest and purest form. Those who accept have prospered and those will reject will warrant punisment. Then Allah will send a cold fragrant wind which will take life of all Muslims and all Momins even ones with spec of Iman will die. And then the destruction of earth will take place ... and ressurection ... standing/qayamat and then judgment. Allahs Sunnah is that he punishes disbeleivers after they reject his teaching. So once this teaching is offered to all and chance for all to believe ... then the rejectors will have provided justification and word of Allah would be fullfiled that he does not punish until messanger is sent to a nation ... Prophet Muhammads nation is entire mankind and jin kind. So those who reject will have punishment ... world will collectively reject Islam ... and Allah will collectively punish all Kafirs ... but before that happens the Muslims will die peacefully as explained in Hadith. I have extensive article here on this:

    https://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/21164-the-promised-destruction-preceeding-day-of-judgement-will-be-upon-infidels/?tab=comments#comment-90275

    I normally write articles here:

    https://www.islamimehfil.com/forum/94-articles-and-books/

    I haven't posted on forum for a while because I am working on some mega articles.

    Salam alaykum. if you need help in understanding anything you're more then welcomed to contact me on forum IslamiMehfil via private message.


  10. 1. Pagal kuttoon kay moonh bi kabi kohi banda laga heh. Kutta ki zaat bhonkna heh joh aqal aur hoshiyar  banda heh kuttay ko bhonkta dekh kar sath bhonkta nahin balkay , dir dir karta heh aur apna rasta napta heh, Saeedi Sahib nay dir dir kar di magr kutta phir bi peechay paray toh Saeedi Sahib kia keren. Kutta apni zaat aur sifaat ki waja say majboor heh. Aur Saeedi Sahib qanoon Shariat say, pagal milay salam doh aur rasta loh.

    2. Jhangir ul-Lught mein  nisbat ka mana yeh heh: Do ijsaam kay darmiyan taqabuli  talluq, muqabala. Is waja say Nisbatan = muqabalatan =  comparatively, in relation to.   Yehni dalahil comparatively Ahle Sunnat kay wazni hen.  Yehni agar donoon jammatoon kay dalahil mein muqabila keeya jahay toh phir Sunniyoon kay dalahil  Deobandi dalaihil kay muqabileh mein wazni hen. Yeh joh tum nay jhoot bola ya tumaray Maulvi nay bola kay nisbatan ka mani heh mamooli farq yeh kahan say nikala heh? Dictionary  mein say dekha doh kay nisbatan us waqt istimal hota heh jab do cheezoon mein mamooli farq ho. Jhootun say daal nahin galnay wali. Wesay toh aap kay uqabir Hussain Ahmad Madani lanahumullah  Allah kay muqabileh mein aisay chamar say zaleel thay aur dajjal say ziyada kameenay thay kitaben garh garh kay Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat alayhi rahma aur un kay walid say bi mansoob kar deenh. Aur aap toh bi Hussain Ahmad Madani kay ki asli roohani nazriati ulaad hen is waja say shahid kohi dictionary publish kar deeh ho jis mein yeh jhoot aur dajjaliat ka izafa kar deeya ho. Magr meray pass bi Allah kay karam say 5 Urdu dictionaries paree hen aik do 1980 say bi pehlay ki aur kuch us kay baad ki  dekhtay hen dajjaliat jheet-ti heh ya phir sach ka bol bala hota heh. Dawah aap ka aur daleel bi aap denh.

    3. Munasifeen 3 thay, 2 nahin thay. Lakeer kay faqeer khud bi kuch parh logh auroon ki batoon par kab taq ameen summa ameen kehtay raho gay. Agar munsifeen alam hotay toh phir kissi nah kissi firqeh kay hoteh aur woh janib dar hotay ghayr janab-dar nahin. Is leyeh school kay teacheroon ko hakumuati idaroon nay pakr bathaya thah takay un ko masloon ikhtilaf ka ilm nahin hoga toh phir ghayr janabdari say faisla kar denh gay. Agar Maulvi hotay aur Deobandi hotay toh kia faisla kartay? Agar Sunni hotay toh kia faisla kartay? Is Janab-dari say bachnay ki khatir ghayr alamoon ko pakr batthaya thah. Aur Munsifeen nay munazra kay shoroon mein baray wazia ilfaaz mein halfan kaha thah kay ham nay yeh ikhtilaf nahin pehlay sunay. Magar chawal ko is par bi ihtiraz heh.Aur haqiqat mein Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ki jahalat par ihtiraaz heh joh HanfiGroup ko pata lag gahi ... aalim nahin faisla nahin kar pahen gay ... yeh Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ko keun pata nahin thi. Aap jaisa chawal banda is baat ko samaj gaya, agar sahih samjay hen toh, aur Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ko yeh aqal nah aahi, toh nateejan kehnay ka haq rakhta hoon kay aap ka Haq Nawaz Jhangvi  aap say ziyada chawal aur bey-aqal thah jis ko yeh samaj nahin thi kay munsifeen Aalim nahin hen faisla kesay keren gay. Wsay haq ki baat yeh heh kay towheen aur ghaali ko samajnay kay wasteh Aalim hona zeroori nahin. Towheen, ghali, besati, ko samajnay kay wasteh Aalim hona zeroori nahin. Ismail Dehalvi Allah pakeezgi  muqabileh mein kuttay say bi ziyada paleet khanzeer say ziyada haram aur dajjal say ziyada ghaleez heh ... Kia Tawheed ka parchaar heh. Wah! Wah! Subhanallah keh denh. Abh Maulvi chayeh samajnay kay wasteh. Agar tum nay samaj leeh aur rawayatti Deobandi ghaali galoch par utar aya toh mein samjoon ga kay tum nay TOWHEEN DEHALVI KA FAISLA kar deeya ... aur woh bi jab tum AALIM nahin ... aye ray meray Allah yeh kesay mumkin huwa .... Raha Pir Naseer al-Deen ... ham nay Munazra suna, para, samja aur samjaya heh is leyeh ham ko pata heh haqiqat kia heh ... Pir Naseer al-Din Sahib nay nah kabi suna aur nah para. Munazra Jhang ko mein nay clean saaf shafaf kar kay upload kar deeya heh readers khud sun kar faisla kar lenh kay Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ki bolti Sunniyoon kay khilaaf keun band huwi thee. Wesay Haq Nawaz Jhangvi thah mard ka bacha ... aisa baga medaan say phir kabi wapis nahin aya ... zillat o shikast ka itna sakht sadma huwa bichara Kafir Kafir Shia Kafir karta mar gaya magr Sunniyon kay khilaaf phir zubaan nah kholi. Is ko kehtay hen Manzoor Ahmad Naumani wali zillat. Nahin Manzoor Naumani ki toh woh zillat huwi us ka daswan hissa bi Haq Nawaz ko nahin mila magr phir bi Haq Nawaz thah ba-haya ziyada mahsoos kar gaya ... Naumani toh ... toba toba sab kuch balkay dhoti izzat haya bi medaan mein chor baga thah. Dhoti ki izafat meri apni taraf say heh ... effect ki khatir add keeh heh ... haqiqat say talluq nahin he is ka.

    4. Munazra Jhang kohi panch dafa suna aur doh dafa par chuka hoon. Allamah Ashraf Sialvi Sahib rahimullah nay toh bar bar kaha sharait mein likha heh kay un kay dalahil hoon kay jin ki talimat ki waja say donoon Jammatoon ki bunyad qaim huwi. Hamaray Ulamah mein jin ki waja say yeh bunyad bani woh Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat,  Sayyid Naeem ad-Deen Muradabadi,  Maulana Sardar Ahmad,  Ala Hdhrat kay bhai, betay,, Maulana Hashmat Ali Khan  (Allah ka sab par karam o raham ho ameen). Aap kay Maulvi nay Ulamah mein say Alllamah Sialvi Sahib kay ham asar Ulamah kay referrence denay shoroon kar deeya ... misaal tor par Allamah Ucharvi rahimullah. Yeh jayyid Aalim toh hen magar Uqabir nahin. Is kay muqabileh mein Allamah Ashraf Sialvi rahimullah un Maulviyoon ka hawala deh rahay thay joh aap kay mazhab ki bunyad hen aap kay uqabir hen.  Yehni ham aap kay awal generation ki gustakhiyan sabat keren aur aap kay Haq Nawaz Sahib third generation Maulviyoon kay dalahil pesh karay.

    Mein nay tumaray charoon points ka tafseeli jawab deeya heh, abh tum bi meray sirf aaik jawab deh doh, kay janab HanfiGroup aap nay Climax kay roop mein asli safa mein tehreef keun ki?

    Yeh Munazra Jhang, Maktaba Fareedia, Sahiwal ka asli safa heh:

    Original.jpg.78ae143f660cb1c3510980c2bebf1234.jpg

    Aur HanfiGroup Saab yeh woh safa heh jis mein aap nay 9 saal pehlay Climax kay roop behroop mein tehreef ki thee:

    VerdictDistortedByDeobandis.JPG.b51e8584971e56ebdd0b59e9a9185d82.JPG

    Janab aap ko sharm nahin aati ... aap Deobandi itnay keun gattya aur kameenay ho jatay hen kay apnay mazhab kay difa mein dajjal ki tara Dajjaliat par utar atay hen. Chalen yeh Climax tum nahin. chalo HanfiGroup saab aap yeh toh keh saktay hen kay is Climax nay haram zadoon wala kaam keeya heh. Chalo yeh toh bol doh takay ham bi maneh kay tum sachay ho. Chalo yeh bi nah bolo ... sirf yeh hi likh doh kay ghalat keeya heh ... insha Allah itni bi tofeeq nah hogi. Wesay agar Climax itna gir sakta heh toh aur kia kia jhoot bolay hoon gay purani discussion mein yeh toh parnay walay andaza kar saktay hen.


  11. 5 hours ago, hanfigroup said:

    be sharmo.
    tumara saeedi   munazara      jang ka jawab  dynay sy  ajaz    ageya tha.
    esley.  jan bachae      aur    deoband ki post k jawab  main   lekh deya.
    mairi pahly post kafi hy.  (aur baag arjun baag) 
    tum apna dil bahlany k leye aik dosary ko mubarak baad dysakty ho


    HanfiGroup saab aap wesay toh baray dheet sabat huway hen magr aap ki dokay baazi aisi heh jis say maloom hota heh ya toh aap  Sajid Khan Naqshbandi/Deobandi hen agar nahin toh us kay chakkar mein zeroor ghoomtay hen. Sawal yeh heh kay aap nay, idhar, Climax kay roop behroop mein, Munazra Jhang, Maktaba Fareedia, Sahiwal, Safa 294, mein yeh tareef keun ki:

    VerdictDistortedByDeobandis.JPG.b51e8584971e56ebdd0b59e9a9185d82.JPG

    Original.jpg.78ae143f660cb1c3510980c2bebf1234.jpg

    Kia aap ko sharam aati heh ya apnay bey-haya Maulviyoon ki tara utaar phenk deeh heh?


  12. 4 hours ago, hanfigroup said:

    be sharmo.
    tumara saeedi   munazara      jang ka jawab  dynay sy  ajaz    ageya tha.
    esley.  jan bachae      aur    deoband ki post k jawab  main   lekh deya.
    mairi pahly post kafi hy.  (aur baag arjun baag)
    tum apna dil bahlany k leye aik dosary ko mubarak baad dysakty ho

    Climax aka HanfiGroup sahib mein nay kaheen kuttay kay dumb par pahoon toh nahin rakh deeya nah?  Mujjay to laga mein nay rakh deeya heh.

    Tumara kehnay ka matlab heh kay ham medaan e munazra say aisay bagay jaisay Haq Nawaz Jhangvi nay Ahle Sunnat kay khilaaf bolna chor deeya thah. Agar yeh kehna thah toh kon baga yeh toh readers parh lenh gay. Wesay Haq Nawaz Jhangvi aap kay Manzoor Naumani ki tara medaan e munazra o muqabila say baga kay phir kabi peechay nah dekha. Yeh toh sab ko pata heh kay Allamah Ashraf Sialvi (rahimullah) nay Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ko medan e munazra mein aisay kuchla jaisay logh samp ko marnay kay baad us ka sar kuchaltay hen. Yehni jistera Allamah Sardar Ahmad (rahimullah) nay Manzoor Naumani ko kuchla thah. Nateejan donoon medaan e munazra say aisay bagay kay phir kabi medaan mein qadam nah rakh sakay. Manzoor Naumani toh medaan e munazra mein kitaben, apna asa, ainak, imamah, jhootay, mein toh kehtay hoon dhoti aur izzat aur haya bi chor kar baag gaya thah aur wapis nahin aya thah .. . Haq Nawaz Jhangvi aur Manzoor Naumani ki sunnat par kab amal karo gay aur bago gay.


  13. https://www.scribd.com/document/477653931/Munazra-Jhang-Verdict-Of-Three-Judges-With-Original-Hand-Written-Evidence-docx

    https://www.scribd.com/document/477914970/Munazra-Jhang-Exposing-Deobandi-Distortion-Of-Date-To-Undermine-Verdict-Of-Judges-docx

    Dushman e Ahmad pe shiddat kijiye
    Mulhidon ki kiya murwwat kijiye
    Zikr unka chheriye har bat mein
    Chherna Shetan  ki aadat kijiye
    Misle Faras zalzale hon  Najd me
    Zikr-e Aayaate Wiladat kijiye
    Ghaiz me jal jaa yen be Dino ke dil
    Ya Rasool Allah ki Kasrat kijiye
    Kijiye charcha unhi ka subho sham
    Jaane Kaafir par Qayamat kijiye
    Shirk thahre jis me tazime Habib
    Us bureh mazhab pe lanat kijiye
    Zaalimo! Mahboob ka haq tha yahi
    Ishq ke badle adawat kijiye
    Ghaus-e-Azam aap se faryad he
    Zinda phir ye pak Millat kijiye
    Mere Aaqa Hazrate Achche Mian
    Ho Raza Ac’cha wo Soorat kijiye


  14. Aik khabees Deobandi youtube ki is video mein Allamah Ahmad Yar Khan Naeemi rahimullah ki ibarat kay mutaliq ihitraaz keeya heh:

    https://archive.org/details/JaAlHaq_201809/page/n271/mode/1up

    Woh kehta heh kay Allamah Sahib nay Ilm e Ghayb ko sirf Zaati likha heh atahi ko ilm e ghayb nahin. Yeh us ka jawab heh. Allamah Ahmad Yar Khan Naeemi nay yeh khud nahin likha balkay aik aur aalim Allamah Nasfi Hanafi ka qawl naqal keeya heh aur un kay qawl kay sayaq mein farmaya heh kay in kay mutabiq atahi ilm ul-ghayb ghayb hi nahin hota.

    Allamah Ahmad Yar Khan Naeemi (rahimullah) ka apna mowaqif aur jamhoor o Sawad al-Azam ka mowaqif toh woh bayan kartay hen kay atahi ilm bi ilm e ghayb hota heh ... Allah ki aik laakh lanat jhootay par. Jis banday ko shuba ho woh Allamah Sahib ki Jaa ul-Haq kay ilm ul-ghayb walay abwaab parh leh: https://archive.org/details/SaeedUlHaqFeTakhreejJaAlHaqVol12/page/n70/mode/1up Yeh banda Allamah Sahib say jhoot mansoob kar raha heh.

    Allamah Ahmad Yar Khan Naeemi nay ghalti ki aur yeh likh deeya Allamah Nasfi kay mutabiq:

    "atahi ilm e ghayb ilm e ghayb nahin balkay ilm ul-ghayb zaati heh."

    Mein nay Allamah Nasfi Hanafi (rahimullah) ki Tafseer dekhi heh is mamleh mein. Misaal tor par Allamah sahib nay Surah Jinn 72 ki ayaat 26 mein yoon farmaya heh:

    إلا رسولاً قد ارتضاه لعلم بعض الغيب ليكون إخباره عن الغيب معجزة له فإن يطلعه على غيبة ما شاء.

    Yehni Allamah Nafsi Hanafi rahimullah ka aqeedah heh kay Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) apnay rasooloon ko baaz ilm ul-Ghayb ata farmata heh. Allamah Nasfi ka har giz aqeedah nahin kay Atahi ilm ul-ghayb ilm ghayb nahin. Yeh Allamah Sahib ko ghalti lagi. Aur Allamah Nasfi nay yeh likha bi nahin heh.

    Allamah Nafsi rahimullah nay likha:

    { قُل لاَّ يَعْلَمُ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوٰتِ وٱلأَرْضِ ٱلْغَيْبَ إِلاَّ ٱللَّهُ }
    { من } فاعل { يعلم } و { الغيب } هو ما لم يقم عليه دليل ولا أطلع عليه مخلوق مفعول و { الله } بدل مِن { مَن } والمعنى لا يعلم أحد الغيب إلا الله. ن

    Allamah Nafsi rahimullah Allah kay Ilm ul-Ghayb kay mutaliq farmatay hen is ayaat 27:65 mein ghayb ki us kism ki baat ho rahi heh joh bila daleel ghayb heh aur joh kissi makhlooq ko nahin ata keeya gaya yehni ZAATI ilm ul-Ghayb ki baat ho rahi heh.Aur yahi ahle Sunnat ka aqeedah heh kay Allah ka ilm ghayb istilah mein woh heh jis par kohi daleel nahin aur joh kissi aur ko ata nahin huwa ... yehni Zaati ilm ul-ghayb Allah ka heh.

    Allamah Ahmad Yar Khan Naeemi (rahimullah) nay ya kissi type karnay walay nay khata say yeh izafa kar deeya:

    "... joh ilm atahi ho woh ghayb hi nahin kaha jata ghayb sirt zaati ko kehtay hen ..."

    Han agar in mein yeh izafa keeya jahay:

    "... joh ilm atahi ho woh ghayb [e illahi] hi nahin kaha jata [balkay Allah ka] ghayb sirf zaati ko kehtay hen ..."

    Abh agar is Tasheeh kay saath poora sayaq para jahay toh baat wazia ho jaati heh kay Allamah Ahmad Yar Khan Naeemi say baat ko bayan karnay mein ya naqal ko naqal karnay mein ghalti lag gahi. Asal ibaraat yoon honi chayheh:

    "Madarik ki is towjeeh say maloom huwa kay in ki istilah mein ... joh ilm atahi ho woh ghayb [e illahi] hi nahin kaha jata [balkay Allah kay] ghayb sirf zaati ko kehtay hen. Abh kohi ashkaal hi nahin raha. Jin ayaat mein ghayb ki nafi heh woh ilm zaati ki heh, aur is ayaat kay kuch agay heh ..."

    Dekha ja sakta heh kay meri tasheeh sayaq o sabaq mein kamil tareekeh say beth-ti heh is leyeh Allamah Ahmad Yar Khan Naeemi (rahimullah) ka yahi kehna thah.


     


  15. Abhi mein nay Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat ki kitab ki aaik ibarat pari, Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat farmatay hen kay agar sooraj ki gravitational force heh toh phir lakhoon hazaroon saaloon kay baad bi zameen ko sooraj apni taraf keun nahin keench saka? Sawal ka maqsid heh kay agar gravitational force hoti to phir aisa zeroor hota ... woh aik misaal bi detay hen kay aik magnet kheenchay toh loha keench sakta heh ... agar gravitational magnetic force hoti toh zameen ko sooraj kheench kar apnay qareeb kar leta. Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat kay nazirat Steady State Theory kay qail thay ... is'see ka Einstein bi qail thah ...

    Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat rahimullah kay ihtiraaz ka jawab yeh heh kay Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala asman mein aik balance/tawazo qaim keeya heh. Jis ka zikr Allah nay Quran mein bi farmaya heh, Q55:7/8. Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat ka farmana kay gravitational force ki kashish joh sooraj ki heh woh zameen ko keench leti bilqul durust heh. Aur haqiqat mein aisa hi hota heh ... Jitni raftar say sooraj zameen ko apni taraf keenchta heh ya yoon keh lenh jitni raftar say zameen sooraj taraf girti heh ... utni hi raftar say sooraj apni jaga chor kar agay nikal jata heh aur istera nah zameen sooraj ko paunch paati heh. Zameen ko sooraj kheenchta heh jaisay Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat nay farmaya kay hona chahyeh magr kheechay janay kee raftar kay barbar sooraj door hota jata heh ... Samjanay ki khatir ...  do cheezen aik hi raftar mein gir rahi hen ... A aur B  ... A gir raha heh aur jitni raftar mein khud gir raha heh utni hi raftar mein B ko be kheench raha heh ... hasil kia hoga ... B kabi bi A ko nahin paunch pahay ga. Aur sooraj apni manzil ki taraf ja raha heh jis ka zikr Quran mein heh, Q36:38.  Yehni Sooraj aur zameen donoon aik hi raftar mein asman mein safar par ja rahay hen aur jitni raftar say sooraj apni manzil ki taraf ja raha heh utni hi raftar say zameen sooraj ki taraf girti heh ... nateeja zameen sooraj ko nahin paunch pati.


    Yeh nahin kay Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat rahimullah nay sab kuch ghalt likha heh ... fundamentals/bunyaden durust hen ... magr nataij akhaz karnay mein khatahen huween hen. Jis dawr mein Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat likh rahay thay us dawr mein sooraj kay manzil ki taraf safar ka nazria nahin thah ... yehni sooraj travelling through space ka nazria nahin thah ... magr Ala Hadhrat ki kitab al fauz ul-mubeen mein is ka zikr heh ... is lehaz say woh science say agay thay ... jahan par Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat ki khatahen hen wahan par un kay awr nazriat ki taeed bi mojood heh. Allah ta'ala Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat rahimullah ko azeem ajr deh ameen.


  16. Salam alaykum.

    Sayyidi Ala Hazrat nay zameen kay sakin honay par joh dalahil deeyeh hen woh darust hen. Zameen Sakin heh magr dunya sakin nahin. Zameen kay sakin honay ka Quran mein Zikr heh aur bilqul zameen sakn heh magr zameen al-ardh ka lafz mana dunya mein istimal nahin huwa ... joh bi daleel dunya kay sakin par pesh hogi woh haqiqat al-ardh kay sakin par heh aur al-ardh ka lafz istimal huwa heh ... mein Arabi nahin janta magr yeh pata heh al-ardh ka sirf mana al-duna nahin  ... balkay in ayaat mein dunya kay tukreh kay mafoom mein istimal huwa heh jissay jild kahen  ... Quran mein 7 zameenoon ka zikr ... aur aaj kay dawr mein ussay layers/jilden kaha jata heh ... Quran mein 7 zameenen is wasteh kaha gaya keun kay har aik jild ki matti ki kism mukhtalif heh ... Quran mein zameen kay sakin honay ki waja bayan heh kay Allah ta'ala nay zameen (7 jildoon mein say joh upar wali jild) par pahar pegs/killa banahay hen. Killa punajbi ka lafz heh ... lakri ka khardar hissa zameen dooz keeya jata heh aur dihaat mein gahay, behal ki rassi us say bandi jaati heh ... us lakri ko killa kehtay hen ... Allah nay paharoon ko killa farmaya ... science kay dawr mein aaj sabat huwa heh kay zameen ki 7 jildoon mein pahar hen aur yeh zameen ki 4 jild taq gehray jatay hen. aur hasil yeh hota heh kay upar wali jild jis par ham abaad hen woh hilti nahin. Misaal tor par ... aap 7 bread/rotiyan lenh ... aap upar wali ko khenchen asaani say kehnch lenh gay ... magar agar aap upar wali roti mein aap nails/meikhen gusa denh kay us nail ki aakri had upar say ginneh toh joh 4 number par roti aati heh us mein gussen ... phir aap kheench kar kay dekh lenh ya sari 7 kheenchen gay ya phir nain. Is upar wali jild kay sakin honay ka zikr heh ... Quran mein 7 zameenoon aur 7 asmanoon ka zikr heh ... magr har jaga aik hi murad nahin balkay aik jaga zameen ki 7 jildoon ka zikr heh aur dosri jaga space ki 7 jildoon ka ...65:12 ...   Zameen ki 7 jilden, here. aur space ki 7 jilden . Abh science kay mutabiq joh 7 jildoon mein joh zameen ki core kay kareeb hen woh hilti aur gumti hen pressures ki waja say aur toot-ti phoot-ti hen. Abh joh zameen tooti phooti us par insaan ka reh sakta ... kia bana sakta ...  Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) nay joh farmaya kay zameen (ki upar wali jild) sakin heh ... batanay ka maqsid yeh huwa kay insaan par ihsaan keeya kay is ko sakin banaya ... warna agar zameen ki har jild goomti toh phir kohi makhlooq zinda nah rehti ...

    Mein nay Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat ki kitab nahin pari ... magr joh un kay dalahil hen zameen kay sakin honay kay woh apni jaga darust hen ... shahid us sakin ki tabeer samajnay mein khata ki ho. Shahid unoon nay upar wali jild, pehli zameen kay sakin ko, unoon nay dunya kay sakin honay par mahmool keeya ho. Aur agar aisa heh toh phir ham un ki khatahoon kay mukhallif nahin hen. Jis zamanay mein Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat (rahimullah) nay yeh kitab likhi us dawr mein Einstein bi Dunya kay sakin honay ka qail thah ... baad mein Edward Hubble nay tehqeeq pesh ki toh us nay ruju keeya ... batanay ka maqsid yeh kay jin logoon ka pesha hi science thah woh ghalti par thay aur joh dunya par sab say ziyada mana huwa scientist heh woh ghalti par thah toh phir  Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat (rahimullah) jinoon nay shahid hi kohi sceince ki kitab pari ho aur agar study bi ki toh sar waraq huwi hogi. Hammen joh un ki talimaat ayn deen mutabiq hen woh maaneeh chahyeh ... science kay mozoo par  aaj ki science kaal jhooti huwi aur kal ki parsoon ho jahay gi ... agar aisay mozmoon mein Sayyidi Ala Hadrat rahimullah say khata huwi toh un ki shan o shokat mein nah kami aur nah aur nah hogi.


  17. Karamat aur Mojza say daleel leeh jaati heh. Quran mein Musa (alayhis salam) mein apnay mojzoon ko burhan/daleel tehraya heh:

    “[And now] put thy hand into thy bosom: it will come forth [shining] white, without blemish.  And [henceforth] hold thine arm close to thyself, free of all fear.  “These, then, shall be the two burhan/evidences [of thy bearing a message] from thy Sustainer  unto Pharaoh and his great ones - for, behold, they are people depraved!”  Quran 28:32

    Sirf kohi Deoband aur Wahhabiat ka anparh is ka inqaar karay ga.


  18. Yeh Yahoodi fitrat Deobandi aur Wahhabiyoon ka pesha heh. Uqabir Ulamah joh dunya jeetay jagtay chaltay phirtay Sahih ul-aqeeda Sunni thay magr jab woh fawt ho gay toh Deobandiyoon aur Wahhabiyoon nay un kay marnay kay baad unki kitaboon mein tarmeem kar daali aur apna Deobandi/Wahhabi bana deeya. Wahhabiyoon/Deobandiyoon ki karamat heh kay fawt shuda ko convert kar kay apna ham mazhab bana letay hen. Aisay Kafiroon par lakh lanat. In Kafiroon say toh Christian Kafir achay hen kam say kam Islami dushmani mein aa kar Islami Kitaboon mein tarmeem qaat chaat nahin kartay. Magr yeh Kafir in say bi bad-tar Kafir hen.

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