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shareef sahab iss terha hazrat ayesha to gunnah-gar huin kiun k unhon ne to seenay aur chehray per matam kiya to koi fatwa aap dikha saktay hain k aap k kisi mufti ne kaha ko hazrat ayesha ne yeh gunnah kiya ??

 

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O bay ghairat bad bakhat.Tujay sharam nahin aati ke Umm Ul Momineen Syeda Ayesha Siddiqa R.A k baray main aisay lafz likhta hay.Apna mun daikh ja kar hud ko mufti e azam likhta hay...
janab aap ki zuban se aisay alfaz achay nahi lagtay mein ne to sirf aap ki book se hazrat ayesha ka matam sabit kiya hai aur aap gaalian denay lag gaye...janab kab se aap loag propegenda ker rahay ho ab jawab mila to ghussa aa gaya aap ko..
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Theek hay MUFT.....i Azam sb.Aap ko yeh lafz buray lagay.Laikan humari tu yeh ghairat e Emani hay ke hum Um Ul Momineen Syeda Ayesha Siddiqa R.A k baray main aisay lafz daikhna b gawara nahin karta.Aur yeh jo post tum nain send kia hay na is main koi book k name hay na kisi Mufti Sb ka name likha hua hay na kisi ke stamp hay.Hud say achi editing kar laita ho tum.Am I right?????Agar koi hawala send karna hay tu original lao aur har jaga aik he cheez bar bar post kar de hay ke propaganda ho raha hay?Kya batana pasand karo gay kis cheez ka propaganda ho raha hay?????

Apnay aglay post main apnay hawaly k original copy post karo...........

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ilzam ka jawab mufti azam ko

 

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mufti azam puttar koi eesi daleel lao jo hamaray nazdeeq bhi motabar ho, warna hamara or apna time zaya na karo.

baap ko puttar nahi kehtay bachay...mein ne yahan per tarikh ibne kathir ka ref. diya hai abhi to seerat ul nabi ibne hatham ka ref. nahi diya aur tum pehlay hi uchalnay lag gaye..hosla karo meri jaan abhi to bohat agay jana hai...
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baap ko puttar nahi kehtay bachay...mein ne yahan per tarikh ibne kathir ka ref. diya hai abhi to seerat ul nabi ibne hatham ka ref. nahi diya aur tum pehlay hi uchalnay lag gaye..hosla karo meri jaan abhi to bohat agay jana hai...

 

main nay tujah puttar kaha to bura laga, beta to putter kehlanay kay hi qabil hai, chal mana to nay tarikh ibn e kathir ka refernce dia, or to nay abhi tak doosray refernce nahi dia. beta jo ravi ibn e kathir ka hai wohi ibn hasham ka hai. jo kay aik hi ravi mohammad bin ishaq hai hai.

 

putter abhi to shrooat hoye hai or to abhi say boklaa gaya, tujah yehi nahi maloom kah donoon kay ravi hai hain.

 

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ye hi hai na tera reference, jiss ko to nay de kar bohat bara teer mara tha. to putter imam e barhana kay essi daleel lao jissay hum bhi maanay.

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main nay tujah puttar kaha to bura laga, beta to putter kehlanay kay hi qabil hai, chal mana to nay tarikh ibn e kathir ka refernce dia, or to nay abhi tak doosray refernce nahi dia. beta jo ravi ibn e kathir ka hai wohi ibn hasham ka hai. jo kay aik hi ravi mohammad bin ishaq hai hai.

 

putter abhi to shrooat hoye hai or to abhi say boklaa gaya, tujah yehi nahi maloom kah donoon kay ravi hai hain.

 

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ye hi hai na tera reference, jiss ko to nay de kar bohat bara teer mara tha. to putter imam e barhana kay essi daleel lao jissay hum bhi maanay.

kiya beta tumhari to sab books fake hoti ja rahi hain tumharay dharam ki terha...tum abhi se ronay lag gaye ho abhi to starting hai meri jaan thora hosla karo...
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kiya beta tumhari to sab books fake hoti ja rahi hain tumharay dharam ki terha...tum abhi se ronay lag gaye ho abhi to starting hai meri jaan thora hosla karo...

 

kon ro raha hai or kon bebas hai apnay so called sabaye yahoudi mazhab ka defend karnay main. main nay kaha tha na deobandi forum nahi hai.

 

abhi tak koi dalail kay sath jawab nahi.

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kon ro raha hai or kon bebas hai apnay so called sabaye yahoudi mazhab ka defend karnay main. main nay kaha tha na deobandi forum nahi hai.

 

abhi tak koi dalail kay sath jawab nahi.

 

 

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tu abhi tak dono books mein ishaq raavi sabit kernay mein na-kaam hua hai meray bachay...kiun k inn dono riwayat mein ishaq nahi hai..ab phir bhagay ga tottay ??

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ghor say ankhain khool ker dekh iss main ibn ishaq likh hai ,

 

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putter meray ye wohi riwayat hai , iss ka ravi bhi ibn ishaq hai,

 

yahan mujah say kon murad hai ?

 

bayan karo iss ki koi koi chain ho to raviyoon ki ?

chalein janab apnay bachay ka yeh bahana bhi khatam ker doon k ishaq k baray mein ta k bhagnay ka koi aur rasta na milay meray laal ko...

Muhammad ibne Ishaq ibne yasaar:

 

Dhabbi farmate hai:

 

[ 4718 ] محمد بن إسحاق بن يسار أبو بكر ويقال أبو عبد الله المطلبي مولاهم المدني الإمام رأى أنسا وروى عن عطاء والزهري وعنه شعبة والحمادان والسفيانان ويونس بن بكير وأحمد بن خالد كان صدوقا من بحور العلم

به وحديثه حسن

 

Rough Translation:- Muhammad ibne Ishaq ibne Yasaar was truthful(Suduq) and his Hadith are Hasan(good).

 

Source:- Alkashif fi Marifa, Vol 2, Pg no 45.

 

Online source:

Comments:- Now this is specific comment of Allama Dhabbi on Muhammad ibne Ishaq ibne Yasaar and though he cited some Jirah(denouncement) from some sources but then he discarded it and complied his Tade'el(Praise)

 

to janab yeh aap k ulma ka ishaq zaeef nahi tha...ab mera laal koi aur bahana dhonday ga ya bhagay ga ??

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ghor say ankhain khool ker dekh iss main ibn ishaq likh hai ,

 

putter meray ye wohi riwayat hai , iss ka ravi bhi ibn ishaq hai,

 

yahan mujah say kon murad hai ?

 

bayan karo iss ki koi koi chain ho to raviyoon ki ?

chalo ab mein apnay bachay ko batata hon k tumharay kis kis baap ne uss ko authetic kaha hai..

 

 

 

 

Ibne Khuthaima narrated from Haroon ibne Maroof and he said that I heard Abu Muaviyah saying that Ibne Ishaq(Muhammad ibne Ishaq) is most learned among people.

 

Comments:- Since Ah-Fadha is used that is on Wazn of Afa-la and Afa-la from Baab Efa'al is used as it is from Baab Efa'al that is used to describe something very vigorously.

 

وقال المفضل الغلابي سألت بن معين عنه فقال كان ثقة وكان حسن الحديث

 

Mufadhal Al Ghalabi said that he asked Ibne Mue'en about him(Muhammad ibne Ishaq) then he(Ibne Mue'en) replied that he(Muhammad ibne Ishaq) was thiqa and his hadiths are good.

 

 

Source:- Tareeb ul Tehzeeb, Vol no 9, page no 15,16, narrator no 51

 

Mufti bhai Jaha Jaha "Tareeb ul Tehzeeb" likha hai os ki jagah "Tehzeeb ul Tehzeeb" likye ga wo ghalti se typing mistake hogaie aur Narrator no 15 nahee hai balke 51 hai

 

وقال أبو يعلى الخليلي محمد بن إسحاق عالم كبيوهو عالم واسع الرواية والعلم ثقة

 

Abu Yayla Al Khaleeli said that Muahhmad Ibne Ishaq was a great scholar that narrated profusely and has got great knowledge and he is thiqa.

 

 

 

قال الحاكم وذكر عن البوشنجي أنه قال هو عندنا ثقة ثقة

 

Hikaim narrated from Bushanji who said that according to us he was thiqa thiqa.

 

 

 

وقال أبو زرعة صدوق

 

Abu Zara said that he was truthful.

 

 

وقال أبو حاتم الرازي يكتب حديثه

 

Abu Hatim narrated Hadith from him

 

Source:- Tareeb ul Tehzeeb, Vol no 9, page no 15,16, narrator no 51

 

 

 

Ibne Khuthaima narrated from Ibne Mue'en who narrated from Asim ibne Umar ibne Qatada who said that there is no one among people more knowledgable left than Ibne Ishaq

 

 

 

وقال الأثرم عن أحمد هو حسن الحديث

 

Athram narrated from Ahmad who said that his Hadith(narrated by him) are good

 

 

عن عاصم بن عمر بن قتادة والذي يذكر عن مالك في بن إسحاق لا يكاد يتبين

 

Asim ibne Umar ibne Qatada narrated that those people that narrates Malik's saying(Jirah) about Ibne Ishaq, this(Jirah or saying of Malik) is hardly reliable(can't be relied upon)

 

 

وقال عبيد بن يعيش ثنا يونس بن بكير سمعت شعبة يقول بن إسحاق أمير المؤمنين لحفظه

 

Ubiad ibne Yae'esh said that he narrated from Yunus ibne Bukair who heard from Shu'aba who said that Ibne Ishaqq is Ameer ul Momineen in Hifdh.

 

Source:- Tareeb ul Tehzeeb, Vol no 9, page no 15,16, narrator no 15

 

Allama Ibne Habban said him thiqa.

 

Source:- Thiqqate-Ibne Habban, Vol 7, pg no 50, narrator no 10534

 

 

 

 

 

Allama ibne Hajar wrote:

 

5725- محمد ابن إسحاق ابن يسار أبو بكر المطلبي مولاهم المدني نزيل العراق إمام المغازي صدوق يدلس ورمي بالتشيع والقدر من صغار الخامسة مات سنة خمسين ومائة ويقال بعدها خت م 4

 

Rough Translation:- Muhammad ibne Ishaq ibne yasaar was Imam of History, truthful, Mudallis and Shia.

 

Source:- Tareeb ul Tehzeeb fil huroof-e-Meem.

 

 

[ 1571 ] محمد بن إسحاق مدني ثقة

 

Muhammad ibne Ishaq Al-Madni was thiqa.

 

Source:- Marifat-e-Thiqqat by Al-Ujli, Vol no 2, Pg no 71, narrator no 1571

 

 

 

Ibne Shaheen declared him thiqa.

 

Source:- Tareekh Asmaa at thiqqat, pg no 92, narrator no 1200 by Imam Ibne Shaheen

 

 

Allama Ibne Habban said him thiqa.

 

Source:- Thiqqate-Ibne Habban, Vol 7, pg no 50, narrator no 10534

 

 

 

 

Therefore your argument that Shia's narration is not accepted is refuted again.

 

3. Imam Ibne Hajar said him Mudallis but Tadlees is mostly effected when it comes to Hadith and this is not a Hadith rather this is a historic event and even if we take this arguement then the Sand is Mutassil and therefore there is no Tadlees here and if u discrediting his narrations only because he is Mudallis then what will u say about his narration in Bukhari and Muslim?

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1. Firstly this is a historic incident and not a Hadith and therefore his all material of History is accepted since Allama Ibne Hajar said him Imam in this field therefore there is no further debate left.

 

2. Secondly being a Shia does not matter since there are many narrators that are Shia and are reliable. Infact Bukhari and Muslim have authenticated many hadiths in their Sahih that are narrated by Shias and Muhammad ibne Yasaar is itself a narrator in Bukhari and Muslim as Ibne Hajar said:

 

[ 51 ] خت م 4 البخاري في التعاليق ومسلم والاربعه محمد بن إسحاق بن يسار بن خيار

 

Source:- Tehzeeb ul Tehzeeb Vol no 9, pg no 15

 

The above comments furhter show that:

 

Imam Bukhari authenticated Muhammad ibne Yasaar.

 

Imam Muslim authenticated Muhammad ibne Yasaar.

 

Imam Hajar further wrote:

 

اّ التشيع بل الرفض لا يضر بالوثاق

 

Allama Ibne Hajar said that being shia or even Rafidha doesnt hurt the trustworthiness.

 

Source:- Muqaddimah Fathul bari, pg no 382, 398 and 410.

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Shia hazraat ko is baat ka ilm nahee ki , agar kisee rawayat mein shia rawi hai to us riwayat ko sirf usi waqt qubool kartey hain agar wah riwayat kisee SAHIH SUNNI rawiyon wali Riawayat se NA TAKRAE. ( Hawala , Muqaadima Fathal baari)

 

 

Ab Mulahiza kijiye , sahih hadith is muddey per. Yeh sab sahi hadith ke mutabik GHAM SIRF TEEN DIN TAK JAYAZ HAI AUR AURAT KA APANEY KHAWIND KE LIYE CHAAR MAHINEY DUS DIN.

 

Bil farz, Sayyeda Ayesha siddiqa rd ne aisa kiya bhee to , YEH IS BAAT KI KYA DALEEL HAI KI HAR SAAL DUS (10) MUHRRAM KO KAPADE UTAR KER MATAM KARA JAE? Kya Ali rd , hasan rd , hussein rd , Fatima rd ne IS TARAH ka matam manaya? kis shia kitab mein yeh riwayat mawjood hai ? Kya Shia imamon ne kapadey utaar ker Saal ke ek muqarrarqa din per maatam manaya? Nahee nahee!

 

Na Ali rd na fatima rd na kisee sahabi ne har saal muqarraraa roz per maatam manaya! Yeh sab shia hazrat ki chaal hai , jis ke tahat wah Ayesha siddiqa rd ki ek amal ko jis ko unhonay GHAM KE MAQUKEY PER Kiya tha , usako daleel bana ker Har saal 10 muharram ko maatam kartey hain!

 

Dekha aap logon ne! Ayesha siddiqa rd ne HAR SAAL matam manaya? Apaney libaas ko nukssan pahuchaya? Kya ALI rd ne aisa kiya ? Kya Fatima rd ne kiya ? Bilkul nahee!

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Kya Ayesha siddiqa rd ne har saa; matam kiya? Kya shia hazrat ko matam aur gham mein farak maloom hai?

Kya Huzoor paak ke wiasal ke baad , Ali rd aur Ftaima rd ne "maatam" kiya?

Kya hasan rd aur huseein rd ne har saal matam kiya?

 

Kya kisee SHIA imam ne ya kisee Ayatullah ne MATAM KIYA? Kya Jafar sadiq rd ,Baqir rd ya zaynul abideen rd ne har saal matam kiya? Kya wah bhee kapade utaar kar khoon bahaay kartey they?

 

Yeh sab shia hazraat ki bewakoofana daleel hai jisasey musalman achhi tarah waqif hain.

 

Dekhiye KI TARAH NASARA ( christans) bhee SALEEB ( CROSS) ke aagey ja kar Khoon bahatey hain!

 

In sab cheezon ka ISLAM sey koee wasta nahee.

 

AL HASANI

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