Ghulam e Azhari Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Qazi sahib, aap chand masaail pooch kar keh rahe the keh sirf 5 ke jawab do, lekin maine apki woh poori post yahan paste kardi hai. Ab yeh masaail yahan discuss honge. Sab se pehle maine Masala no. 6 par baat ki thi, to ab zara continue karain, main quotations main chorh raha hun jo is topic se liye gae hain. http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...c=7273&st=0 Qazi: 1. Kya rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam namaz ki niyat zabaan se kartey they ? 2. Kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam gardan ka masah pustey kaf sey kartey the? 3. Kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam ne hukum diya ki Mard namaz me ultey pair par baitey aaur aaurat bator tawarrukh ultey kulhe par. 4. kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam ne hukum diya ki charo imamo me se aik ki takleed lazim hai. 5. aik dirham se kam nizasate galiza agar kapdo me ya badan me lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi. 6. kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam ne hukum diya ki imamat ki sharayat me sab barabar ho to imamat wo karey jo jiska sar bada ho aaur sharmgah choti ho. sahih ahadith se takraney waley masley. 1. Namazo ka jama karna. Volumn 002, Book 020, Sahih Bukhari, Hadith Number 209. ----------------------------------------- Narated By Salim's father : The Prophet used to offer the Maghrib and Isha' prayers together whenever he was in a hurry on a journey. Narrated Ibn Abbas: Allah's Apostle used to offer the Zuhr and 'Asr prayers together on journeys, and also used to offer the Maghrib and 'Isha' prayers together. Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet used to offer the Maghrib and the 'Isha' prayers together on journeys. Fiqha ka ikhtelaaf Haj key maoukey key siwa aaur waqt me 2 farz namazo ko jama karkey nahi padhna chahiye (Sharah Wikaya jild 1 kitabutsalat) Qazi: Ji haan bhai jo masley main bayan kiyey hai woh sahih ahadeeth key khilaaf hai. aap ne jawab to diya nahi bass mujh se he puch rahe hai. Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat: Sab se pehle to yeh sabit karian keh yeh masala Hanafi Fiqah ka hai bhi ya keh ilzaam hai ya phir ibarat ka ghalat mana bayan kia hai, phir choonkeh aap maan chuke keh yeh masala Sahih Hadeeth k khilaaf hai, lehaza ab aap Sahih Hadeeth paish karain jis main likha ho keh imamat woh karae jis ka sar chota aur sharamgah barhi ho. Taake yeh masala Sahih Hadeeth k sarasar khilaaf sabit hojae. Is ke baad aap ne jawab nahi diya tha, chalain ab continue karain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghulam e Azhari Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) Rabi un Noor sharif main masroofiyat aur safar ki waja se jawab main takheer hone par mazrat chahta hun. 6. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki imamat ki sharait me sab barabar ho to imamat woh karey Jiska Sar bada aaur Sharmgah Choti ho. Jee nahi, Piyare Rasool Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ne yeh hukm nahi diya. naa hi Ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne yeh kaha hai. Jesa keh main pehle soch chuka tha keh ibaarat ka ghalat matlab Qazi sahib ne bayan kia hai lijiye jawab hazir hai. Durr-e-Mukhtar, V2, P252 par Matin ne Uzwan likha hai, jiske hashia par Allama Shami ne likha keh baz log is se zakar (yaani sharamgah) muraad lete hain jo durust nahi. Balke a'za ka sadol hona murad hai. Sar baqi tamam jism ki nisbat barha hona aqal-mandi ki daleel hai, uzoo ka ma'na Sharamgah wohi karega jis ke zehen main woh cheez ho. Aur jis ke zehen main yeh cheez ho woh yeh masaail bhi apne barhon k par amal karega: "Gaae ka gobar peshab paak aur halaal hai. (Fatawa Ahle Hadith, V2, P566) "Mani paak hai." (Fatawa Ahle Hadith, V1, P240) InshaAllah is masale par mazeed behes ki zaroorat paish nahi aegi. haan albatta ullama par jo tohmat lagaai gaee hai us par taubah zaroor karni chahiye! InshaAllah mazeed jawabat jald hazir karunga. Edited March 12, 2009 by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudasir Yaseen Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) Masha Allah and Jazak Allah Bhai, Buhat Achha Jawaab Diya hay Aap Ne. Main Inn Sahib Ke Liye Kuchh Aor Baaten (Inhi Ke Akabreen Ki Kitabon Se) Paish Karta Hoon, Ta Ke Ye Kissi Par Jhoota Ilzam Lagane Se Pehle Apne (Akaabireen Ki) Kitaabon Men Likhi Gaee Baaten Zaroor Yaad Karen. (1) Mushtarika Londi Se 3 Aadmi Ek Hi Waqt Men Suhbat Karen, Aor Peda Hone Wale Bache Ke 3non D'awedar Hon, To Faisla "Lucky Draw" Se Hogga, Jiss KA Coupan Nikle Ga, Uss Ko (Prize Men) Bacha Diya Jaega. ( Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 2/ Page 75) (2) Agar Kissi Shakhs Ne Apni Biwi Ki Maan (Apni Saas) Ke Saath Zinna Kiyya, To Uss Par Uss Ki Biwi Harram Nahi Hoggi ( Naz Lul Zbraar, Jild 2/ Page 28) (3) Mutt'aa (Paise Ki Lain Dain Ke B'ad Zinna Karna) Ja'iz Hay Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 2/ Page 34) (4) Ghair Aorat Ka Doodh Badi Umr Wale Aadimi Ko Pilana Ja'iz Hay, Agarchay Dadhi Wala Ho, Ta Ke Uss Mard Ko Dekhina Iss Aorat Ko Ja'iz Ho Jae ( Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 1/ Page 77) (5) Mard Apni Biwi Ka Doodh Pee Sakta Hay (Fatawa e Nazeeriya Jild 2/ Page 96 ) I Think Itna Kaafi Hay, Shaayad Mazeed Ye Qazi Sahab Hazam Na Karr Saken. Edited March 13, 2009 by Mudasir Yaseen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navaid_khan Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Salam, JAZAK ALLAH KHAIR, bhai Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat & bahi Mudasir Yaseen, Nice sharing. Jazak ALLAH, Navaid Ahmed Khan. HTTP ://WWW.ZYWORLD.COM/NAVAID_KHAN/ABOUT-ALAHAZRAT.HTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazi Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) Masha Allah and Jazak Allah Bhai, Buhat Achha Jawaab Diya hay Aap Ne. Main Inn Sahib Ke Liye Kuchh Aor Baaten (Inhi Ke Akabreen Ki Kitabon Se) Paish Karta Hoon, Ta Ke Ye Kissi Par Jhoota Ilzam Lagane Se Pehle Apne (Akaabireen Ki) Kitaabon Men Likhi Gaee Baaten Zaroor Yaad Karen. (1) Mushtarika Londi Se 3 Aadmi Ek Hi Waqt Men Suhbat Karen, Aor Peda Hone Wale Bache Ke 3non D'awedar Hon, To Faisla "Lucky Draw" Se Hogga, Jiss KA Coupan Nikle Ga, Uss Ko (Prize Men) Bacha Diya Jaega. ( Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 2/ Page 75) (2) Agar Kissi Shakhs Ne Apni Biwi Ki Maan (Apni Saas) Ke Saath Zinna Kiyya, To Uss Par Uss Ki Biwi Harram Nahi Hoggi ( Naz Lul Zbraar, Jild 2/ Page 28) (3) Mutt'aa (Paise Ki Lain Dain Ke B'ad Zinna Karna) Ja'iz Hay Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 2/ Page 34) (4) Ghair Aorat Ka Doodh Badi Umr Wale Aadimi Ko Pilana Ja'iz Hay, Agarchay Dadhi Wala Ho, Ta Ke Uss Mard Ko Dekhina Iss Aorat Ko Ja'iz Ho Jae ( Naz Lul Abraar, Jild 1/ Page 77) (5) Mard Apni Biwi Ka Doodh Pee Sakta Hay (Fatawa e Nazeeriya Jild 2/ Page 96 ) I Think Itna Kaafi Hay, Shaayad Mazeed Ye Qazi Sahab Hazam Na Karr Saken. ASSALAM ALYKUM, YAHA MAIN AIK BAAT KAHNA CHAHTA HO SHAMSHEER BHAI NEW JO JAWAB DIYA HAI USKEY BAAREY ME BAAD ME BAAT KAREY PEHLE JO BAATEY KAHI GAI UNKEY BAAREY ME KAHNAH CHAHTA HO. KI AAP YE BAAT BAHOOT DHAYAN SE ITMINAAN SE SUN LE KI BAATEY QUOTE KI GAI HAI WOH MERE LIYE YA KISI BHI SAHIBE MOHAKKIK KEY LIYE KABILE HUZZAT NAHI HAI KYOKI HAM SIRF AAUR SIRF QURAN WA SUNNAT KO HUJJAT SAMJHTEY HAI. IN BAATO KEY BAAREY ME MERA FAISLA SOON LEY. JINHONEY IN BAATO KO LIKHA JINHONEY IN PAR AMAL KIYA AAUR JISNEY ISEY HUZZAT SAMJH WOH AHLE HADITH HO KYA MUSLIM HI NAHI CHAHE WO KOI BHI HO ALLAHA ISKEY LIKHNEY WALEY KO, ISPEY AMAL KARNEY WALEY KO, ISEY HUZZAT SAMJHNEY WALEY KO DUNIYA ME KUTTEY KI JINDAGI ATA KAREY, KUTTEY KI JAISI MAOUT DE, AAUR ROZE QAYAMAT ME JAHANNAM KE SABSE NECHLEY HISSEY ME PHENK DE CHAHE LIKHENEY WALA YA AMAL KARNEY WALA MERA BAAP (WALID) HI KYO NA HO. AMEEN YA RABBUL ALAMEEN. AB AAP SAB SE MERI GUZARISH HAI KI HAMARA DHAYAN US TARAF DILAYE JAISI HAMARA KOI AMAL KISI HADITH KEY KHILAF HO, YA KISI ZAEEF HADITH KO HAM SAHIH SAMJH KAR AMAL KAR RAHE HAI YA PHIR QURAN KEY KISI HUKUM KO HAMNEY GALAT SAMJH HO TO HAM AAP KEY SHUKRGUZAR BHAI HONGE. KYOKI HAMAREY LIYE HUZZAT SIRF QURAN WA SUNNAT HAI YE KHAYAL RAKHEY KYOKI JO BAAT QURAN WA HADITH SE TAKRAYE CHAHE WOH HAMAREY BAAP KE BAAT HO WOH CHULHE ME JAYE YA HAMAREY PAIRO KEY JOOTO ME HAME FARQ NAHI PADTA. MAIN JAHA PAR SHAMSHEER BHAI SE BAAT KAR RAHA THA WAHI KARNA CHAHTA THA MAGAR UNHONEY IDHAR KA RUKH KIYA, AAUR BAAD ME MUJEH ILZAM DETEY KI MAIN IDHAR UDHAR BAAGH JATA HO. ISLIYE MAINEY JAWAB DIYE JABKI WOH UDHAR SE IDHAR BHAG AAYE. UNHONEY JO JAWAB DIYE USKEY LIYE AGLA POST ME DISCUSS KARENGE. Edited March 14, 2009 by Qazi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudasir Yaseen Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 AAP YE BAAT BAHOOT DHAYAN SE ITMINAAN SE SUN LE KI BAATEY QUOTE KI GAI HAI WOH MERE LIYE YA KISI BHI SAHIBE MOHAKKIK KEY LIYE KABILE HUZZAT NAHI HAI KYOKI HAM SIRF AAUR SIRF QURAN WA SUNNAT KO HUJJAT SAMJHTEY HAI. IN BAATO KEY BAAREY ME MERA FAISLA SOON LEY. Lol, Wahabi/ Ghair Muqalideen Ka Purana Hathkanda Ke "Hamare Liye Ye Hujjat Nahi, Hamare Liye Wo Hujjat Nahi, Hamare Liye Ibn e Wahab Najdi Hujjat Nahi, Hamare Liye Ismaeel Dehlvi Hujjat Nahi. Hamare Liye Fulaan Hujjat Nahi, Hamare Liye Fullan Hujjat Nahi." Qazi Sahab Agar Ye Sab Aap Ke Liye Hujjat Nahi Hain, To Fatawa Le Aao Inn Par ke "Naz Ul Abraar Likhne Wala Molvi Waheed Uz Zamman Aap Ki Nazar Men Kon Hay?? JINHONEY IN BAATO KO LIKHA JINHONEY IN PAR AMAL KIYA AAUR JISNEY ISEY HUZZAT SAMJH WOH AHLE HADITH HO KYA MUSLIM HI NAHI CHAHE WO KOI BHI HO ALLAHA ISKEY LIKHNEY WALEY KO, ISPEY AMAL KARNEY WALEY KO, ISEY HUZZAT SAMJHNEY WALEY KO DUNIYA ME KUTTEY KI JINDAGI ATA KAREY, KUTTEY KI JAISI MAOUT DE, AAUR ROZE QAYAMAT ME JAHANNAM KE SABSE NECHLEY HISSEY ME PHENK DE CHAHE LIKHENEY WALA YA AMAL KARNEY WALA MERA BAAP (WALID) HI KYO NA HO. AMEEN YA RABBUL ALAMEEN. Lo G Sunniyo .....! Mubarak Ho.....! Qazi Ne Khud Hi Aitiraaf Kardiyya Hay Ke Molvi Waheed uz Zamman, Molvi Nazeer, Molvi Sana ul Allah Duniya Men Kutte Ki Zindagi Ji Kar Gae Thay, Aor Kutte Ki Maot Marr Gae Thay. Ab Baroz e Qayyamat Jahanum Ke Nichle Tabqe men Phenk Diye Jaaenge. AMEEN YA RABBUL ALAMEEN.[/size][/b] Aameen Aameen Bijah e Nabi ul Ameen . To Qazi Sahab Pehle Aap Ko Inn Logon PAr Fatawa Lanna Hay, Ta Ke Hum Ko Yaqeen Aae Ke Waqaee Tum Such Keh Rahe Ho........!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghulam e Azhari Posted March 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 MashaAllah barha hi Sahih mutalba hai Mudasir bhai ka. Is qadr bakwasat aur khurafat e Ghair Muqallidiyat par aaj tak kiun kisi Wahabi Mufti ko ghairat na aae aur un khabeeson par Jahannumi hone ka fatwa na dia? Agar dia hai to paish karain, agar nahi to kisi barhe mufti se likhwa lain. Hujjat ke baare main to maine kia kuch likh dia tha post main lekin phir sharm ke maare post na kar saka aur delete kar dia. Ishara de deta hun keh main aap ke Nikah Khwan Hazraat ke baare main likh raha tha keh woh bonge bhi baghair hujjat wale hain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abuowais Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 MashaAllah barha hi Sahih mutalba hai Mudasir bhai ka. Is qadr bakwasat aur khurafat e Ghair Muqallidiyat par aaj tak kiun kisi Wahabi Mufti ko ghairat na aae aur un khabeeson par Jahannumi hone ka fatwa na dia? Agar dia hai to paish karain, agar nahi to kisi barhe mufti se likhwa lain.Hujjat ke baare main to maine kia kuch likh dia tha post main lekin phir sharm ke maare post na kar saka aur delete kar dia. Ishara de deta hun keh main aap ke Nikah Khwan Hazraat ke baare main likh raha tha keh woh bonge bhi baghair hujjat wale hain. PLEASE DONT DELETE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 MashaAllah barha hi Sahih mutalba hai Mudasir bhai ka. Is qadr bakwasat aur khurafat e Ghair Muqallidiyat par aaj tak kiun kisi Wahabi Mufti ko ghairat na aae aur un khabeeson par Jahannumi hone ka fatwa na dia? Agar dia hai to paish karain, agar nahi to kisi barhe mufti se likhwa lain.Hujjat ke baare main to maine kia kuch likh dia tha post main lekin phir sharm ke maare post na kar saka aur delete kar dia. Ishara de deta hun keh main aap ke Nikah Khwan Hazraat ke baare main likh raha tha keh woh bonge bhi baghair hujjat wale hain. Janab Shamsheer sahib and Mudassir sahib Kia aap ye sabit karyengye ke Kitab "Nazul Abrar" janab waheed Uz Zaman sahib ne likhi hai???? Jahan tak humara ilm hai un ye kitab hi nahin Mulahiza karain Is ke baad hi aap logon ki dhokye bazi ko gehri chot parti hai or in sab ke baad kuch or kehna bekar hoga Jahan tak Fataw-e-Nazeeriya ka sawal hai to aap se guzarish hai ke zara Razaa't ka masa'la details main parhyen or apny khud ke ulama ke jawabat is per mulahiza kar lain. Abdul Salam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazi Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Abdul Salam Salam Bhai, Assalam alykum, Main soch raha tha ki ye log bilkul alimana baat key kabil hi nahi badey afsoos ki baat hai ye sirf jhagda kartey hai jis link par mainey sawalat kiye they woh ye hai. wey waha se yaha aa gaye. http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...=7273&st=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Salam Bhai, Assalam alykum,Main soch raha tha ki ye log bilkul alimana baat key kabil hi nahi badey afsoos ki baat hai ye sirf jhagda kartey hai jis link par mainey sawalat kiye they woh ye hai. wey waha se yaha aa gaye. http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...=7273&st=20 Janab Qazi sahib, Sahi kaha aap ne, humarye barelvi bhaiyon ke paas or kuch to hai nahin... aakihr main aa kar yahi kehna hai ke "janab hum to wahi karyengye jo humarye akabir ne kia hai" Mushrikan-e-Makkah ki tarha Quran ki Daa'wat ya Rasool-e-Akram ki hadith per amal pera to hona hi nahin (kisi bhi hadith ki mukhalifat main apni ulama ki baat ko hujjat banana) is link ko main ne dekh liya tha or wait kar raha tha ke koi jawab Barelvi bhaion ki taraf se aaye to phir kuch kaha jaye... Ab in ko chahiye ke ke Nazul Abra ka peecha chor dain or jo masyel aap ne bayan kiye hain (bila waja kisi or taraf tawajjah batanye ke) sirf un per hi guftago karain..... ye to un ka purana tareeqa hai ke ghumana phirana shoroo kar detain hain or phir hum se hi shikwa bhi kartye hain ab masaa'la to ye hai ke yahan per tamam logon main kuch log hain jo kuch ilm bhi rakhtye hain lakin Taqleed ke chakkar main Quran-o-Hadith ko chor bathye hain...... Ab faizan-e-madina main Tahajjud ki namaz jamat ke saath karwa di in hon ne, is ke ilawa suna hai (yaqeen nahin hai abhi tak) ke in barelvi bhaiyon ne guzishta 12 rabi ul awwal ko Ba jamat shukraye ki namaz parhi hai (Confirmation required from barelvi hazrat) (agar han) to kia kisi Hadith, Sahaba, se sabit kar saktye hain yaqeenan nahin...... Abdul Salam Edited March 17, 2009 by Abdulsalam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghulam e Azhari Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Salam Bhai, Assalam alykum,Main soch raha tha ki ye log bilkul alimana baat key kabil hi nahi badey afsoos ki baat hai ye sirf jhagda kartey hai jis link par mainey sawalat kiye they woh ye hai. wey waha se yaha aa gaye. http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...=7273&st=20 Assalamu'alaiyah! Barhi umar ke aadmi, aap hi ne kaha tha keh mere jawab par tabsara karenge phir bhool gae? Ab tak to woh tabsara aap kar chuke hote. Chalain ab aap jawab dain taake yeh discussion continue rahe. Baqi masaail bhi chalte rahainge aap yeh to poora karain. Baqi raha Rabi un Noor sharif ka masala is par kafi topics open ho chuke hain kahin bhi jaa kar Deobandio ki haan main haan wahan jaa kar milaen. Edited March 17, 2009 by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazi Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Rabi un Noor sharif main masroofiyat aur safar ki waja se jawab main takheer hone par mazrat chahta hun. Jee nahi, Piyare Rasool Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ne yeh hukm nahi diya. naa hi Ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne yeh kaha hai. Jesa keh main pehle soch chuka tha keh ibaarat ka ghalat matlab Qazi sahib ne bayan kia hai lijiye jawab hazir hai. Durr-e-Mukhtar, V2, P252 par Matin ne Uzwan likha hai, jiske hashia par Allama Shami ne likha keh baz log is se zakar (yaani sharamgah) muraad lete hain jo durust nahi. Balke a'za ka sadol hona murad hai. Sar baqi tamam jism ki nisbat barha hona aqal-mandi ki daleel hai, uzoo ka ma'na Sharamgah wohi karega jis ke zehen main woh cheez ho. Aur jis ke zehen main yeh cheez ho woh yeh masaail bhi apne barhon k par amal karega: "Gaae ka gobar peshab paak aur halaal hai. (Fatawa Ahle Hadith, V2, P566) "Mani paak hai." (Fatawa Ahle Hadith, V1, P240) InshaAllah is masale par mazeed behes ki zaroorat paish nahi aegi. haan albatta ullama par jo tohmat lagaai gaee hai us par taubah zaroor karni chahiye! InshaAllah mazeed jawabat jald hazir karunga. Walekum assalam shamshir bhai Aaap ne sawal no. 6 ka jo jawab diya hai :- Jee nahi, Piyare Rasool Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ne yeh hukm nahi diya. naa hi Ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne yeh kaha hai. Yani aap mantey hai ki rasool e akram sallallaho allehe wassalam ne imamat key masail par ye hukum nahi diya ( AAP KA HUKUM 4 DARZE PAR MUSHTAMIL THA) aage aap ne likha ke ye kisi ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne bhi nahi kaha to meharbani karkey batayenge ki Sahab-e- Dur-re-Mukhtar Hanfi nahi they to phir kya they ? Kaum ki gumrahi door karney me issey badi madad milegi. Aage aapne likha :- Balke a'za ka sadol hona murad hai. In alfaz ki wajahat jaroori hai. aapne likha ki dur-re-mukhtar kisi ahnaaf ki nahi hai yani aap ke liye hujjat nahi hai to phir aksar aaur beshtar aap ki mahana risaley to deen key muttaliq hotey hai unmey kisi saeel ka jawab detey waqt daleel key taur par is kitab ka naam aata hai iski wajahat karenege. Baqi jo sawalat aapke amal ke muttalik they silsilewaar unki wajahat kar de mainey pehle 5 hi sawal kiye they aap ne khud unko bada liya. aap inmey se aik ke liye bhi daleel pesh kar de aap merey ameer honge. Baki rahe aap ke ilzamat unhe aap in jawabat key baad tak key liye multawi kar de in jawabat key baad inshallaha unkey jawabat daleel key saath de diye jayenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghulam e Azhari Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) aage aap ne likha ke ye kisi ullama-e-Ahnaaf ne bhi nahi kaha to meharbani karkey batayenge ki Sahab-e- Dur-re-Mukhtar Hanfi nahi they to phir kya they ? Maine kab kaha keh Sahib-e-Durr-e-Mukhtar Hanafi nahi the? Bostan hai...! maine kaha yeh hukm jo aap ne bataya hai yeh kisi Hanafi Aalim ne nahi dia keh sharamgah choti ho. aur aap kehte hain maine Sahib-e-Durr e Mukhtar ko ghair-e-Hanafi keh dia...? aapne likha ki dur-re-mukhtar kisi ahnaaf ki nahi hai yani aap ke liye hujjat nahi hai to phir aksar aaur beshtar aap ki mahana risaley to deen key muttaliq hotey hai unmey kisi saeel ka jawab detey waqt daleel key taur par is kitab ka naam aata hai iski wajahat karenege. Maine kab kaha Durr-e-Mukhtar kisi Hanafi ki nahi likhi hui? doosra bohtan! Ab main wazahat karta hai. Jo masala aap ne bayan kia hai "Imamat woh karae jiska sarr barha aur sharamgah choti ho" yeh masala kisi Hanafi Aalim ne nahi diya. Yaani ibarat ka jo ghalat mafhoom aap ne akhaz kia hai woh kisi Hanafi Alim ka mafhoom aur masala nahi hai. Umeed hai ab aqal main baat agai hogi. Balke a'za ka sadol hona murad hai. In alfaz ki wajahat jaroori hai. Is ki wazahat main kar chuke hain ghor se parhain: Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat: Sar baqi tamam jism ki nisbat barha hona aqal-mandi ki daleel hai, uzoo ka ma'na Sharamgah wohi karega jis ke zehen main woh cheez ho. Is baare main aap mazeed baat karain, phir InshaAllah aik aur masala aap ko bataunga imamat k baare main. Baqi jo sawalat aapke amal ke muttalik they silsilewaar unki wajahat kar de mainey pehle 5 hi sawal kiye they aap ne khud unko bada liya. Astaghfirullah! barhi umar ke aadmi, ap ki hi post main quote ki hai is topic ki pehli post main aap dekh sakte hain us post main aap ne 7 masaail cherhe ab mukar rahe hain aur keh rahe hain keh maine to sirf 5 kahe the baqi aap ne apni marzi se barha liye. yeh teesra aur ghatiya tareen bohtaan hai. Aainda se thorha hazir dimaghi ka muzahira ki jiye ga, yeh tanz nahi suggestion hai. Edited March 18, 2009 by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazi Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Maine kab kaha keh Sahib-e-Durr-e-Mukhtar Hanafi nahi the? Bostan hai...!maine kaha yeh hukm jo aap ne bataya hai yeh kisi Hanafi Aalim ne nahi dia keh sharamgah choti ho. aur aap kehte hain maine Sahib-e-Durr e Mukhtar ko ghair-e-Hanafi keh dia...? Maine kab kaha Durr-e-Mukhtar kisi Hanafi ki nahi likhi hui? doosra bohtan! Ab main wazahat karta hai. Jo masala aap ne bayan kia hai "Imamat woh karae jiska sarr barha aur sharamgah choti ho" yeh masala kisi Hanafi Aalim ne nahi diya. Yaani ibarat ka jo ghalat mafhoom aap ne akhaz kia hai woh kisi Hanafi Alim ka mafhoom aur masala nahi hai. Umeed hai ab aqal main baat agai hogi. Is ki wazahat main kar chuke hain ghor se parhain: Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat: Is baare main aap mazeed baat karain, phir InshaAllah aik aur masala aap ko bataunga imamat k baare main. Astaghfirullah! barhi umar ke aadmi, ap ki hi post main quote ki hai is topic ki pehli post main aap dekh sakte hain us post main aap ne 7 masaail cherhe ab mukar rahe hain aur keh rahe hain keh maine to sirf 5 kahe the baqi aap ne apni marzi se barha liye. yeh teesra aur ghatiya tareen bohtaan hai. Aainda se thorha hazir dimaghi ka muzahira ki jiye ga, yeh tanz nahi suggestion hai. Assalam alykum, shamshir bhai umeed hai mijaz e girami ba khair honge, haan bhai aapney Mana ki Dur-re-Mukhatar key musannif hanfi they alhamdulliha, aaur ye kitab fiqha me maqbul kitab hai. Aaur aap ne ye bhi mana ki jo baat kahi gai woh pyare rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ne nahi kahe. yani aapney sirf imamat key 4 darjey tai kiye they jis par qayamat key roz ki aakhri namaz tak imam tai kiye jayenge. 1. Quran ka quari 2. Sunnat ka jyada janney wala 3. Hizrat me awwal 4. umar me bada. Ab kya aap ye mantey hai ki aap sallallaho allehe wassallam ki hadith me tahrif ki gai? Kya aap is tahrif ko jayaz karar detey hai? jismey se aik ye bhi hai ki JISKI BIWI JYADA KHUBSURAT HO. Aap aaza sodol se kya murad letey hai aap ney thik se wajeh nahi kiya, agar kiya to main thik se samajh nahi paya meharbani hogi is par aaur roshni agar dal patey? Haan aapki ye baat thik hai ki mainey shruaat me 6-7 masley likhey they magar jab alfaz kharab honey lagey to mainey is masley jis par ham baat kar rahey ko tark karna chaha tha, aaur rafayadain key muddey ko bhi tark karna chaha tha, magar allaha ka shukar hai ki aap inkey jawab dena chahtey hai ye badi pyari baat hai, Ab aap plz. is maley per jo sawalat ubhar kar aaye hai jo mainey shuru mey likhey hai unkey barey me aap apna aquida clear kar de aaur phir baaki ke sawalo key jawab deney ki meharbahi karey. sawalat ye they :- 1. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne zabaan se namaz ki niyat ki ? 2. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne Gardan ka Masah kiya ? 3. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki mard naaf key neechey haath bandhey aaur aaurat siney par ? 4. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki aakhri tashhadud me mard apney ultey pair par aaur aurat bator tawarukh apney kulhe par baithey? 5. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki 1 dirham se kam Nizasatey Galize agar kapdo me ya badan par lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi? 6. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki Charo Imamo mey se kisi aik ki Takleed lazeem hai. 7. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne rafayadain ko mansookh kiya ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghulam e Azhari Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Assalam alykum, shamshir bhai umeed hai mijaz e girami ba khair honge,haan bhai aapney Mana ki Dur-re-Mukhatar key musannif hanfi they alhamdulliha, aaur ye kitab fiqha me maqbul kitab hai. Aaur aap ne ye bhi mana ki jo baat kahi gai woh pyare rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ne nahi kahe. yani aapney sirf imamat key 4 darjey tai kiye they jis par qayamat key roz ki aakhri namaz tak imam tai kiye jayenge. 1. Quran ka quari 2. Sunnat ka jyada janney wala 3. Hizrat me awwal 4. umar me bada. Ab kya aap ye mantey hai ki aap sallallaho allehe wassallam ki hadith me tahrif ki gai? Kya aap is tahrif ko jayaz karar detey hai? jismey se aik ye bhi hai ki JISKI BIWI JYADA KHUBSURAT HO. Aap aaza sodol se kya murad letey hai aap ney thik se wajeh nahi kiya, agar kiya to main thik se samajh nahi paya meharbani hogi is par aaur roshni agar dal patey? Yaqeen karain aap ki meethi zuban se main mutassir hua. lekin main bhi ese nahi chorh sakta bhai majboor hun, jab tak poori baat na ajae nahi chorh sakta . Aap ki post parh kar kafi raste saamne khulte hue nazar arahe hain mustaqbil main. Baharhaal, mere yeh chand mutalbat hain jo moqa ke mutabik bilkul durust hain. 1. Aap sab se pehle yeh maanain keh aap ne ibarat ka ghalat mafhoom bayan kia ya chalain yeh maan lain keh aapko ghalat mafhoom bataya gaya. 2. phir yeh maanain keh yeh Ullama-o-Awam-e-Ahnaaf par aik bohtaan bandha tha. 3. Phir aap yeh bhi maanain keh Shamsheer bhai ne kabhi yeh nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar Ghair-e-Hanafi ki kitab hai aur yeh bhi kabhi nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki koi hujjat nahi balke maine hi zabardast un par yeh baat chaspa ki. 4. Phir aap in bohtan aur ghalat bayani se alal ailaania taubah karain aur kahain aainda is masale ko bunyad bana kar kabhi Fiqah Hanafi ki mukhalfat na karunga balke apne hi Ghair Muqallidon ko bhi yeh samjhaunga. Agar aap yeh baatain qabool karte hain, phir InshaAllah discussion forward karne main main bohot bohot khushi mehsoos karunga. Phir InshaAllah imamat ki 4 sharait wali Hadis ka bhi jawab main aap ki khidmat main paish kar dunga. Agli post main hi agar cheh aap ne oopar wale mamlat tasleem karliye. Yeh to hui aaj ki nai baat, phir aap ne wazahat poochi to bhai ibarat ka mafhoom yehi hai keh sar mubarak baqi jism ki nisbat barha hona intelligence ki nishani hai. A person is considered to be intelligent whose head is bigger as compared with his body. Umeed hai ab kafi wazeh hogaya hoga, Durr-e-Mukhtar ki ibarat no. 14 ka bhi jawab InshaAllah aap ko dunga. Haan aapki ye baat thik hai ki mainey shruaat me 6-7 masley likhey they magar jab alfaz kharab honey lagey to mainey is masley jis par ham baat kar rahey ko tark karna chaha tha, aaur rafayadain key muddey ko bhi tark karna chaha tha, magar allaha ka shukar hai ki aap inkey jawab dena chahtey hai ye badi pyari baat hai, aapka mamlat tabdeel karlena ho sakta hai durust ho, lekin aap agar meri jagha hote to kia aap bohtaan lagta hua dekh kar khamosh rehte agar cheh aap main uska jawab dene ki taqat ho? zahir hai nahi, lehaza maine is masale ko pehle jawab dena munasib samjha. Phir aap ne yeh bhi maan lia keh mamlat aap hi ne tabdeel kiye, to ab yeh bhi maanain keh aap ne jo pehle kaha tha "maine to 5 kahe aap ne apni marzi se khud barha liye" yaqeen karain bohot hi na-qabil e Hazam baat hai. Bhai akhir maine kab aur kahan khud se mamlat tabdeel kiye jab aap khud maan rahe hain keh haan maine kiye. Aur Rafayadain ke jawaz aur adam jawaz par to hamari koi behes hi nahi hui aur aap ne direct usko bhi shamil kardia. Maine to sirf yeh poocha tha keh isko aaj bunyad kiun na banaya gaya, uska jawab baharhaal doosre topic par hi decide hoga. Phir main aap ko batata hun aap ne to pehle 5 sawal qabool karliye, phir 6th 7th aur 8th main batata hun woh nahi jo aap ne pichli post main likhe balke yeh hain: 6. kya Rasoolullah sallallaho allehe wassalam ne hukum diya ki imamat ki sharayat me sab barabar ho to imamat wo karey jo jiska sar bada ho aaur sharmgah choti ho. 7. Namazain Jama karna sunnat hai. (yeh maine apne alfaz main likha) 8. Sharab se bana hua Sirka Haram ya Halal? (yeh maine apne alfaz main likha) Phir aik aur baat kehna chahunga keh aap ne chalaki ka muzahira karte hue aik masala aur dakhil kardia yaani naaf ke neeche hath bandhna aur woh bhi masala no.3 main likha taake main direct no. 5 k baad se parhna shuru karun to woh main na parh sakunga. Akhri baat yehi hai bhai us topic ki itni lambi discussion ho hi issi liye thi keh aaj aap 8 masaail laae, baton hi baton main 3 aur dakhil kar diye... phir kal ko 10 mazeed le aenge is tarha aap laate jaenge aur jawab ka mutalba karte rahenge jesa aap ne khud kaha keh hazaron masaail hain? Is tarha to kaam nahi chale ga na bhai. Woh topic tha hi issi liye keh decide hojae Imam-e-Azam ke akhaz kiye hue masaail ki sharai hesiat kia hai aur Hadis qabool karne ka sha'oor un main kitna tha waghera waghera taake yeh pata chal jae keh Imam-e-Azam ne Deen main sahih masaail bayan kar ke Din ki barhi khidmat ki hai. Is se bunyadi mamlat hi pata chal jaate hamain. lekin bad-qismati se woh na-chal saki aur baat wohi atak rahi thi keh mere masalon ka jawab do mere masalo ka jawab do. Ab dekhain, yeh to aik choti si discussion thi, oopar diye hue mutalbat ko na bhooliye ga kiunke main nahi chahta agle post main main aap ko kahun keh bhai uska kia hua? ab to main yaad dilwa dilwa kar thak gaya hun yaqin karain! Mumtaz Hussain Akhtar ul Qaadiri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazi Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Yaqeen... Assalam alykum, Mumtaz bhai main to aik cheez pasand karta ho ki agar masley ikhtelaafi bhi hai to hamey apna apa nahi khona chahiye warna ham aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke wasiyat 'BALLIGO ANNI WAL AYA" ka hukum nahi baza sakenge, hamey apney andar ye madda paida karna chahiye ki sabse upar, aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke baat aaur zaat ho. us lehaz se bhale he hamarey khayal alag ho saktey hai magar hai to aap merey bhai na, kya sahaba radiallaha me ikhtelaaf nahi huey, magar woh sab waha par jama ho jatey they jaha aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ki baat aa gai. mera yakeen karey main is baat ka kayal hu ki deen me meri ana kisi kabil nahi main har us baat key aage apne sar ko jhukaney ka aaur apni zabaan ka khamosh karney ka kayal ho jab aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke baat aa jaye. aap ne mujse jo mutalba kiya 1. Aap sab se pehle yeh maanain keh aap ne ibarat ka ghalat mafhoom bayan kia ya chalain yeh maan lain keh aapko ghalat mafhoom bataya gaya. Agar aap kehtey hai ki galat mafhoom hai to yahi sahi, kyoki kitaab merey liye to huzzat hai nahi aisa aksar hota hai ki jyadatar mamlat me aadmi aisi baatey failata hai. Magar bhai kya galat mafhoom bhi hai to aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke baat ke tahreef nahi hui? aisa kyo ? khamoshi me kya bigad jata. 2. phir yeh maanain keh yeh Ullama-o-Awam-e-Ahnaaf par aik bohtaan bandha tha. Bhai mera sochna hai ki bohtan woh hota hai jab us baat ki haqiqat na ho, mainey jab khud hanfi rahtey huey mutala kiya to dekha ki bahoo jyada tahreef ki hai, hidaya me, bidaya me, namaz e janaza me taraweeh me ..... aap ye na samjhe ki masle badh rahe hai. ye to haqiqat hai na bhai ki haditho ke hukum ko badla gaya phir bohtan kaisey hua? 3. Phir aap yeh bhi maanain keh Shamsheer bhai ne kabhi yeh nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar Ghair-e-Hanafi ki kitab hai aur yeh bhi kabhi nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki koi hujjat nahi balke maine hi zabardast un par yeh baat chaspa ki. Mainey to aap ki tarrif ki hai ki aap ne aisey waqt me bhi unhey hanfi manney sey inkar nahi kiya, haan main janta ho ki Durr-e-Mukhtar ahnaaf key liye huzzat hai. (main theek se samjh nahi saka ki aap kya kahna chah rahey hai, agar huzzat nahi hai to aap kah dijiyega ainda us kitab ka hawala main nahi doonga) 4. Phir aap in bohtan aur ghalat bayani se alal ailaania taubah karain aur kahain aainda is masale ko bunyad bana kar kabhi Fiqah Hanafi ki mukhalfat na karunga balke apne hi Ghair Muqallidon ko bhi yeh samjhaunga. Bhai sahab yaha jara mushkil hai kyoki aisey beshomar masley hai jin par amal hota hai aaur woh quran wa hadith key khilaf hotey hai, phir agar ye buniyad na baney to deen me rah kya jayega. jo masley quran wa hadith ke khilaf hai agar aap kehtey hai ki wo hadith key muwafiq hi hai jaisa aksar kaha jata hai to phir woh hadith pesh kare mamla khud ba khud khatam ho jayega. Bhai ab rahe merey woh sawalat jin ka mainey jawab manga tha to ho sakta hai ki sawalat idhar udhar ho gaye ho main mafi chahta ho magar buniyadi sawal apni jagah par hai aap ismey se jiska chahe jawab de de. woh mera khayal hai ye hai 1. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne zabaan se namaz ki niyat ki ? 2. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne Gardan ka Masah kiya ? 3. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki mard naaf key neechey haath bandhey aaur aaurat siney par ? 4. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki aakhri tashhadud me mard apney ultey pair par aaur aurat bator tawarukh apney kulhe par baithey? 5. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki 1 dirham se kam Nizasatey Galize agar kapdo me ya badan par lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghulam e Azhari Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) Assalamu'alaiyah! Agar yeh sirf Farooi ikhtilafat hote to main zaroor aap ki baat manta aur apka bhai kehlwane main fakhr mehsoos karta, lekin yeh Rasool ki nisbat aur muhabbat hi hai keh jiski waja se aap ke aqaaid main ikhtilaf hone par main apka bhai nahi ho sakta. baharhaal, aqaaid par to ham ne koi baat nahi ki, aur agar is topic par ki to phir se topic kahin aur ko murh jaega. Lekin main apko suggest zaroor karunga keh Aqaaid par bhi baat karain keh Aqaaid-e-Ahle Sunnat main kia kia ghalat hain, taake is par bhi aap ki islaah ho sakke lekin woh kisi aur topic par kariye ga. 1. Aap sab se pehle yeh maanain keh aap ne ibarat ka ghalat mafhoom bayan kia ya chalain yeh maan lain keh aapko ghalat mafhoom bataya gaya. Agar aap kehtey hai ki galat mafhoom hai to yahi sahi, kyoki kitaab merey liye to huzzat hai nahi aisa aksar hota hai ki jyadatar mamlat me aadmi aisi baatey failata hai. Magar bhai kya galat mafhoom bhi hai to aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ke baat ke tahreef nahi hui? aisa kyo ? khamoshi me kya bigad jata. Theek hai, aap ne maan lia yeh baat woh nahi jo aap ne kahi balke jo wazahat aapko bataai gai wohi theek hai. Ab InshaAllah baat aegi keh yeh tehreef hai ya nahi imamat ki sharait main. 2. phir yeh maanain keh yeh Ullama-o-Awam-e-Ahnaaf par aik bohtaan bandha tha. Bhai mera sochna hai ki bohtan woh hota hai jab us baat ki haqiqat na ho, mainey jab khud hanfi rahtey huey mutala kiya to dekha ki bahoo jyada tahreef ki hai, hidaya me, bidaya me, namaz e janaza me taraweeh me ..... aap ye na samjhe ki masle badh rahe hai. ye to haqiqat hai na bhai ki haditho ke hukum ko badla gaya phir bohtan kaisey hua? Maine to sirf yeh kaha tha keh aapne jo mafhoom bayan kia usse Ullama par bohtaan badha hai. Kia wakai yeh bohtaan nahi keh jo baat Ullama ne kahi hi nahi woh baat Ullama ki taraf mansoob karna? Iska jawab zaroor di jiye ga. Aap nahi samjhe, phir meri aik aur baat sach sabit hogaee aap ne kaha sirf yeh 5 masaail hain aap sahih sabit karke mere ameer ban jaen, phir aap ne baaton hi baaton main mazeed masale barha diye. ab aap janaze aur taraweeh waghera ko le aen hain. Tabhi to maine kaha tha aap se keh bunyadi baatain taake aik hi waar main saare masale khatam hojae lekin aap masaail laate rahenge laate hi rahenge jisse apki woh baat ghalat sabit hojaegi keh janab 5 bayan karo aur ameer banjao. ab banda itna bhi ghair hazir dimagh na ho! Aik baat par rahain, aap ne masaail pooche us ka jawab to mil hi jaega aapko InshaAllah. 3. Phir aap yeh bhi maanain keh Shamsheer bhai ne kabhi yeh nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar Ghair-e-Hanafi ki kitab hai aur yeh bhi kabhi nahi kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki koi hujjat nahi balke maine hi zabardast un par yeh baat chaspa ki. Mainey to aap ki tarrif ki hai ki aap ne aisey waqt me bhi unhey hanfi manney sey inkar nahi kiya, haan main janta ho ki Durr-e-Mukhtar ahnaaf key liye huzzat hai. (main theek se samjh nahi saka ki aap kya kahna chah rahey hai, agar huzzat nahi hai to aap kah dijiyega ainda us kitab ka hawala main nahi doonga) Chalain maani apki baat keh pehle apko pata nahi tha, aur zabardast aapne hi kaha keh apke liye Durr-e-Mukhtar Hujjat nahi. Theek theek! Bhai sahab yaha jara mushkil hai kyoki aisey beshomar masley hai jin par amal hota hai aaur woh quran wa hadith key khilaf hotey hai, phir agar ye buniyad na baney to deen me rah kya jayega. jo masley quran wa hadith ke khilaf hai agar aap kehtey hai ki wo hadith key muwafiq hi hai jaisa aksar kaha jata hai to phir woh hadith pesh kare mamla khud ba khud khatam ho jayega. Janab maine beshumar masalon ka mutalba nahi kia tha, balke sirf us masale par multalba karraha tha jo aap ne bayan kia keh "Imamat woh karaae jiska sar barha aur sharamgah choti ho". Maine yeh mutalbat kiun kiye? Jawab yeh hai keh maine yeh mutalbat is liye kiye keh mamla aap yahan tak le aae the keh jo bhi ho akhir yeh Muslim Sharif ki 4 sharait wali Hadees ke khilaf hai. Maine kaha theek hai agar is baat ka jawab diya hai to phir aap yeh sab se pehle maanain jo mafhoom aap Qazi sahib ne bayan kia woh ghalat tha waghera waghera. aur woh mutalbat ese bhi nahi hain keh masala Kashmir ban jaen, bohot hi saade se mutalbat hain. Aur shuru main hi aap ne kaha tha keh aap Qazi sahib Islah ki niyat se aae hain, to manie aapki Islaah ki niyat se hi yeh multalbat kiye hain, agar aap isko apni ana ka masla bana lenge to shayad ap apni Islaah kabhi na kar paenge. Bhai ab rahe merey woh sawalat jin ka mainey jawab manga tha to ho sakta hai ki sawalat idhar udhar ho gaye ho main mafi chahta ho magar buniyadi sawal apni jagah par hai aap ismey se jiska chahe jawab de de.woh mera khayal hai ye hai 1. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne zabaan se namaz ki niyat ki ? 2. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne Gardan ka Masah kiya ? 3. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki mard naaf key neechey haath bandhey aaur aaurat siney par ? 4. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki aakhri tashhadud me mard apney ultey pair par aaur aurat bator tawarukh apney kulhe par baithey? 5. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki 1 dirham se kam Nizasatey Galize agar kapdo me ya badan par lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi? To aap maan rahe keh namazain jama karna, sharab se bana sirka aap ne nahi poocha? Chalain aapki marzi agar aap un par baat nahi karna chahte... Ab yeh mujhe ikhtiyar hai main jawab doon ya na dun kiunkeh aap jawab nahi chahte. InshaAllah waqt ne ijazat di to in par bhi baat karunga. Chaliye mamla aage barhate hain. Aap is baat ka jawab dain keh aapko kis ne bataya keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21 ibaraat dar-haqeeqat imamat ki sharaait hain? Iska jawab dain taake mazeed baat aage barhe. Main apni hifazat pehle hi kardun keh maine to nahi kaha keh woh 21 ibaraat imamat ki sharaait hain. Edited March 20, 2009 by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asimsweetone Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Assalamu alykum bhai jaan mai nai yeh sari discussion parhi hai. yaar shamsheer e ala hazrat aap seedhi tarhaan jawab kion nahi detey qazi sahib kay sawalaat ka topic ko lamba kartey ja rahey ho. ya to keh do kay jawabaat nahi aatey to phir aqeedey par baat kareen. counter question na karo pehley hee itney posts ho chukay hain. aap nay kaha hai kay aap ki meethi zubaan say mai impress hua. i think qazi sahib is following the sunnah of prophet Sallahu alihewasallam kion kay woh bhi bohet pyaar sey boltey the. yahaan is discussion mai aik bhai nay qazi bhai kay us jawab mai jhaan inhon nay fazool aqeedey waloon ka jawab diya tha. kaha kay ahle hadeesoon ka poorana harba kay hum is ki pairwi nahi kartey us ki pairwi nahi kartey. to arz hai janab kay yeh ahle sunnat(salafi,Muhammadi,Ahle hadees) ka harba nahi hai thats what SIHABA do. example kisi maslay mai abdullah bin omer raziallahanho ko roka gya kay aap kay waalid Hazrat Omer RaziAllahanho is kaam say roktey hain to farmaya. tu mujhai bata keh agar merey walid nay is kaam say mana kiya ho aur rasool nay is kaam ko kiya ho to bata kis ki itteba karni chahiye? merey walid ki ya Allah kay rasool ki? to is nay kaha beshak Allah kay rasool ki itteba ki jaye gee. Abdullah bin omer raziallahanho nay farmaya to phir sun lay Allah kay rasool Sallahu alihewasallam nay is ko kiya hai. Tirmizi fe baab maja fe tamta raqumul hadees 844 is ka mutlub yeh nahi ke wo apney walid ameerul momineen ki nauzubillah gustaakhi kar rahey the wo to apney Rasool ki itteba kar rahey the aur yahaan hum kehtey hain ALLAH kay rasool nay in ganday kamoo ko nahi kiya baat hamarey rasool ki mani jaye gee kisi aur ki nahi aap apney aap ko shamsheer e ala hazrat,brelvi aur hanfi hee kaheen to behter hai ahle sunnat na hee kaheen. kion kay according to Shaykh abdul qadir jellani Ahle sunnat aik hee jamat hai aur wo ashabul hadees hain. “As for al-Firqatun-Naajiyah (the Saved-Sect) it is Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, and there is no name for Ahlus-Sunnah except one - and that is Ashaabul-Hadeeth [5] (the People of the Hadeeth)” Al-Ghuniyatut-Taalibeen (p.212) SHAYKH ABDUL QADIR JELLANI rahimullah nay ahnaf kay barey mai kya farmaya unhoo nay 73 firqay alag kiye hain jin 72 firqoon ko dozakh mai jana hai us kay barey mai likhtey hain HANAFIA: in mai aik firqa hanafia hai jo abu hanifa noman bin saabit say mansoob hai. (ghuniya tul talibeen page 204 Shaykh ghulam and sons publishers lahore haiderabad karachi) khair yeh to mai nai chaltey chaltey baat keh dee hai. kion kay aap nay apney aap ko ahle sunnat kaha.ab aap plzz yeh bataien kay jo sawalaat qazi bhai nay kiye hain un ka jawab kub aaye ga aap aagey wazahat pe wazahat mangtey ja rahey hain discussion ko lamba mut karien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazi Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Assalam alykum, asim bhai Nawajish key liye shukriya, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Janab Asim sahib khayal rahye ke Nazul Abrar (aik Hanafi sahib ke tehqeeq ke mutabiq) (hawala pichli post per mojood hai) Allama Waheed-uz-Zaman ki tasneef hi nahin, Behar Hall, Ahl-e-Hadith ke maslak main to kisi bhi shakhs ki baat hujjat ke tor per pesh nahin ki jaa sakti.... Abdul Salam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazi Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Assalamu'alaiyah! Chaliye mamla aage barhate hain. Aap is baat ka jawab dain keh aapko kis ne bataya keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21 ibaraat dar-haqeeqat imamat ki sharaait hain? Iska jawab dain taake mazeed baat aage barhe. Main apni hifazat pehle hi kardun keh maine to nahi kaha keh woh 21 ibaraat imamat ki sharaait hain. Walekum assalam, Aaap ney kaha Aquidey ki buniyad par main aap ka bhai nahi to bhai aap ka aquida kya hai (is par inshallaha agey baat karenge abhi plz isko na ley) jaha tak mera ilm hai aap ko khud pata nahi hoga ki aap log masley me imam abu hanifa ramaullah key muquallid hai aaur Aquidey me Imam Abu Hasan Ashari aaur Imam Abu Mansoor Matoridi key to kya main pooch sakta ho ki aquidey me imam abu hanifa rahmatullah key muquallid kyo nahi hai, kyoki shayad unka aquida ain quran wa sunnat key mutabik hai, aaur unhoney jo liye quran wa sunnat se liya, magar ye alag baat hai ki unse kuch iztehadi khatay ho gai, kyoki wo masoom bil khata nahi hai, aaur mujeh lagta hai bhai aapki post dekh kar ki aap apni islah key kayal nahi hai, to aap ko yaad dila do ki aap bhi masoom bil khata nahi hai (nauzubillaha) agar masoom bil khata koi zaat hai to woh hai Amana ke Lal sallallaho allehe wassalam ke zaat. Aap aquida ki baat kartey hai jabki aap ka firqa barelvi mushkil se 100 saal purana hoga, aaur jismey shia aquidey ki tarjumani aap ko dakhil milegi, phir bhi aap apni islah key kayal nahi, mujeh aik baat bataiye ki agar aap ki baat quran wa hadith se takra jaye tab bhi aap usey chodney ke kayal hai ya nahi? Ab aap ye na kahey ki naye masley badh rahe hai ye baat yaha tak aa jati hai, aap se guzarish hai ki ab ap woh sawal jo pehle se chale aa rahe hai unkey jawabat agli post me de de taki aage bada jaye. Rahi baat Dur-re-Mukhtar ki to woh kisi bhi sahibe ilm key liye huzzat nahi hai jo apna imam allaha key pyare rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ko tasleem karta hai, woh qyamat ke subah ke aakhri namaz bhi aap key tarike se hi padhega inshallaha. Durr-re-Mukhtar me to thareef hai usko samney lana murad thi woh puri hui, Mashallaha, ab aap sochtey rahiye ki woh sharait imamat ki hai ya nahi jo ilm rakhta hai usney dekha bhi samjha bhi. Ab aap mumtaz bhai plz bachey huey 5 sawal jo hai unka silsilewar jawab dena shuru kar dijiye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghulam e Azhari Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Arre bhai esa na karain please, discipline kharab na karain. Araam aur shaguftgi se baat karain main yahin hun kahin bhaaga nahi jaa raha. Walekum assalam,Aaap ney kaha Aquidey ki buniyad par main aap ka bhai nahi to bhai aap ka aquida kya hai (is par inshallaha agey baat karenge abhi plz isko na ley) jaha tak mera ilm hai aap ko khud pata nahi hoga ki aap log masley me imam abu hanifa ramaullah key muquallid hai aaur Aquidey me Imam Abu Hasan Ashari aaur Imam Abu Mansoor Matoridi key to kya main pooch sakta ho ki aquidey me imam abu hanifa rahmatullah key muquallid kyo nahi hai, kyoki shayad unka aquida ain quran wa sunnat key mutabik hai, aaur unhoney jo liye quran wa sunnat se liya, magar ye alag baat hai ki unse kuch iztehadi khatay ho gai, kyoki wo masoom bil khata nahi hai, aaur mujeh lagta hai bhai aapki post dekh kar ki aap apni islah key kayal nahi hai, to aap ko yaad dila do ki aap bhi masoom bil khata nahi hai (nauzubillaha) agar masoom bil khata koi zaat hai to woh hai Amana ke Lal sallallaho allehe wassalam ke zaat. Aap aquida ki baat kartey hai jabki aap ka firqa barelvi mushkil se 100 saal purana hoga, aaur jismey shia aquidey ki tarjumani aap ko dakhil milegi, phir bhi aap apni islah key kayal nahi, mujeh aik baat bataiye ki agar aap ki baat quran wa hadith se takra jaye tab bhi aap usey chodney ke kayal hai ya nahi? Aqaaid par baat karne ki maine suggestion di keh koi aur topic open kar ke aap discuss karain taake aap ke pooche gae masaail ko koi farq na pohche lekin aap na maane aur yahin aqaaid par guftgu shuru farma di. Aur jo bhi newcomers aae hain main un se bhi guzarish karunga keh aap kisi aur topic par apne nae masale bayan karain kiunke Qazi sahib ko qat'an bardasht nahi keh unki mojudgi main kisi ki majal keh koi aur masaail saamne lae. Qazi sahib ki baat ki laaj rakhiye. Phir Qazi sahib aap ne jo scheme di thi "5 ke jawab do aur ameer ban jao" aap is par please qaaim rahain kiun idhar udhar jaa rahe hain? Maine aap hi ke batae hue masaail par is topic par ab tak kia guftgu nahi ki? Yaqinan ki hai, jese aap maan gae hain keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki ibarat ka jo mafhoom aap ne dia maine woh ghalat sabit kia akhir main aap ne kaha keh jo bhi hai janab hai to Hadis ke khilaf hi. Ab is baat ka jawab dene par main aa raha tha lekin aap se sabr nahi hua. InshaAllah issi post main imamat ki 4 sharait wali Hadees par baat karunga be-fikar rahain. Durr-re-Mukhtar me to thareef hai usko samney lana murad thi woh puri hui, Mashallaha, ab aap sochtey rahiye ki woh sharait imamat ki hai ya nahi jo ilm rakhta hai usney dekha bhi samjha bhi. Aap ne meri baat ka jawab akhir nahi dia keh apko akhir kese pata chala keh Durr-e-Mukhtar main 21 ibaraat dar-haqeeqat imamat ki sharaait hain. Baharhaal main ab yeh baat karne jaa raha hun keh 21 ibaraat aur 4 sharaait wali Hadis main kia relation hai. Sab se pehle to Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21 ibaraat jo aap ne paish ki woh yeh hain: 1. Sabse jyada namaz key hukum jaaney wala 2. Sabse achchi tilawat wala 3. sabse jyada nek 4. sabse jyada age wala 5. sabse achchey chal chalan wala 6. sabse jyada khubsurat shakal wala 7. sabse sharif nasal wala 8. sabse achey libas wala 9. sab barabar ho to parchi dal le 10. ya Phir log pasand kar ley 11. sablse jyada Raounak shakar wala 12. sabse badi nasab wala 13. sabse achi awaz wala 14. sabse khubsurat biwi wala (Nauzubillaha) 15. sabse jyada maal wala 16. Jiska sar baqi jism ki nisbat barha ho. 17. sabse jyada darze wala 18. musafir key mukabley me mukeem 19. phir azad, azad kiye gulam key mukable par 20. phir wazo key badley tayyammum wala, gusal key badley tayyammum wala 21. phir log jisey chahe imam bala le (Dur-re-Mukhtar) (Ibarat no. 16 ko maine durust kardia hai) Phir Muslim ki Hadis aap hi ke alfaz main: 1. Quran ka quari 2. Sunnat ka jyada janney wala 3. Hizrat me awwal 4. umar me bada. Sab se pehle mujhe wazahat kardain keh yeh hizrat ka kia matlab hai? Jis zubaan ka yeh lafz aap ne likha hai meri woh zuban nahi, ya shayad mujhe samajh nahi araha. Lehaza wazahat karain hizrat kia hai. Phir yeh bayan karain keh aik jamaa'at hain Musalmanon ki jis main 100 log hain. Un main se 10 log ese hain jo bohot ziyada Quran parhte hain, bohot ziyada Sunnaton ko janne wale hain, bohot hizrat main awal hai (Wallah a'lam iska kia matlab hai, wazahat par hi pata chalega) aur woh 10 k 10 assi (80) saal ke hain gharz yeh keh in main farq bayan kar hi nahi sakte keh kese aik ko doosre par tarjeeh dain. Ab aap kia karainge? Yeh to hui wazahat talabi. Ab mere jawabaat aapki khidmat main arz hain. Aap ne yeh kehna chaha keh baaz sharaait (baqoul aapke) Durr-e-Mukhtar ki Sahih Hadis main sabit nahi lehaza amal karna sakht haram hai. Sab se pehle yeh samajh lain keh sharaait woh hoti hain keh kisi shakhs main in main se agar aik bhi na paai jae to woh shakhs us amal ke laiq hi nahi hota. Umeed hai samajh agaya hoga. Lijiye ham aapko wazahat kardete hain keh Durr-e-Mukhtar jinko aap sharaait samajh bethe hain woh haqeeqat main tarjeehaat hain. aap ne apni aql-e-saleem se samjha keh yeh sharaait hain jo keh durust nahi. Choonkeh ab main keh chuka keh Durr-e-Mukhtar main woh baaz aik Tarjeehaat hain na keh sharaait, ab aap zabardasti yeh nahi keh sakte keh nahi nahi janab yeh sharait hain yeh hai woh hai. kiunkeh aap ke saamne main keh chuka yeh tarjeehaat hain. Mazeed wazahat mere nukte ki mulahiza karain, farz karain aik tarjeeh yeh hai keh ziyada achi awaz wala ho. yeh shart to ho hi nahi sakti kiunke kisi shakhs k muqabil jiski awaz usse ziyada achi na ho to woh bhi imamat karwa sakta hai. yeh to sirf tarjeeh hai, agar shart hoti to kam achi awaz wale ko imamat karna hi Haram hojati jo keh hamara tareeka nahi. Aur tarjeeh par amal na karne se imamat Haram nahi hojati, lekin fitnon se bachne ke liye amal karna behtar hai. Agar aap in tarjeehat ko nahi maante to yeh apki marzi. Umeed hai ab aap samajh gae honge. Kam achi awaz wala bhi imamat karna sakta hai. Agla mera jawab aapki di hui ibarat no. 14 hai jis main likha hai keh jiski bivi sab se khubsurat ho. Is main kia hikmat hai ap nahi samajh sakke. Bivi ka jamal apne shohor ki nazron ki hifazat ka aik zarya hai keh woh sirf apni bivi hi ki taraf maail ho. Zahir hai woh shakhs ziada behtar hai jo ghair auraton par nazarain na daalta ho aur apni bivi ko hi apne liye behtar nemat samajhta ho aur apni bivi se woh mutmain aur khush ho, ibarat ka bhi yehi matlab hai. Phir wohi baat kehta hun keh yeh tarjeeh hai, shart nahi lehaza kisi muqable ki zarurat nahi. Warna to ghair shadi-shuda shakhs imamat hi na karwa sakta! Ghair shadi shuda jamaa'at karwa le is main kia harj hai? Phir yeh bhi zehen main rakhain keh khoobsurati Tahajjud se barhti hai. Lehaza ibarat ka mafhoom yeh nikla keh jo apni bivi se mutmain ho keh uski nazron ki khoob hifazat ho taakeh dusri jaghain nazar na daale, jo keh tahajjud ki bhi alamat ho sakti hai. Umeed hai yeh baat bhi aapko wazeh ho chuki hogi. Maine Imamat ka masala mukammal tour par aap ke saamne rakh diya hai aur aap ke diye hue mojuda tamam baaton ka jawab de dia hai jese: ibarat no. 16 ka sahih mafhoom apki khidmat main arz kia. Durr-e-Mukhtar main ibaraat ki sahih hesiat aapko batai. Durr-e-Mukhtar ki Hadis-e-Muslim se relationship bhi bataai. Ibarat no. 14 ka bhi jawab apko dedia. Is poori behes main agar mujh se koi khataa hui ho to koi bhi Sunni bhai meri Islaah karde. Ab please aql sharif ko hazir rakh kar, insaaf ko apne liye behtar maan kar jawab di jiye ga. Agar aap ziddi hain to main kuch nahi kar sakta. Ab aap mumtaz bhai plz bachey huey 5 sawal jo hai unka silsilewar jawab dena shuru kar dijiye. Imamat ka masala to chal hi raha hai, aap ko khush karne ke liye InshaAllah agli post se main aik aur masala discuss karunga phir yeh donon masaail sath sath chalenge. Umeed hai apko bura nahi lagega. Aur discipline ka bhi khayal rakhiye ga. Auron ko guzarish hai keh ab hamari discussion barhi hi serious morh par agaee hai, lehaza dour beth kar sirf tamasha dekhain lekin agar topic ke mutabik hi koi baat karni hai to most welcome bashart ye keh topic ko idhar udhar na ghuma dia jae point par baat ho! Edited March 21, 2009 by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazi Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Assalam alykum, Mujeh samaj nahi aa raha ki akhir kaha mainey descipline ko hurt kiya ? Mumtaz bhai mujeh lagta hai aap jawab dena nahi chah rahe 1 mahina honey ko aaya aap mujse hi counter attack kartey hai. Hazrat Abdullaha bin Abbas radiallaha anhu key pass jab koi masla puchney aata to aap farmatey ki kaya ye waqiya pesh aa gaya agar aa gaya to iska hal bataya jayega warna aap wapis chaley jaye. Yani ki jab mamla pesh aa jaye to uska hal khoja jayega magar aap logo ka baba adam hi nirala ha pehle mamla soch kar gartey hai phir uska hal bhi apni moti soch se likhtey hai be sir pair ka aaur phir uskey liye jamaney bhar se ladai bhi kartey hai allah khair karey. Mian aap se baar baar kah raha ho ki apki tahreef dikhana masksad tha woh pura hua. Ab aap usey shariat samjhey ya jo samjhna hai samjhtey rahiye sahabul ilm ko usseky kuch lena dena nahi hai merey bhai, aap clarification detey rahiye ki iska matlab ye hai woh hai bas. Mera sawal tha Kya Rasullaha sallallaho allehe wassalam ne ye hukum diya kya ? aap ne man liya ki nahi diya baat khatam ho gai ab dusrey ki baat to ham apney pair key jooto par rakhtey hai main pehley hi clear kar diya tha. Ab app agli post me bachey huey 5 sawal key jawab aik baar me hi de dijiye ki kya rasul allaha sallallaho allehe wassalam ney woh hukum diye ya nahi. Taki aap ki khawahish key mutabik aagey ki baat shuru karey. Fi Aman illah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asimsweetone Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) Aap ne meri baat ka jawab akhir nahi dia keh apko akhir kese pata chala keh Durr-e-Mukhtar main 21 ibaraat dar-haqeeqat imamat ki sharaait hain. Baharhaal main ab yeh baat karne jaa raha hun keh 21 ibaraat aur 4 sharaait wali Hadis main kia relation hai.Sab se pehle to Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21 ibaraat jo aap ne paish ki woh yeh hain: 1. Sabse jyada namaz key hukum jaaney wala 2. Sabse achchi tilawat wala 3. sabse jyada nek 4. sabse jyada age wala 5. sabse achchey chal chalan wala 6. sabse jyada khubsurat shakal wala 7. sabse sharif nasal wala 8. sabse achey libas wala 9. sab barabar ho to parchi dal le 10. ya Phir log pasand kar ley 11. sablse jyada Raounak shakar wala 12. sabse badi nasab wala 13. sabse achi awaz wala 14. sabse khubsurat biwi wala (Nauzubillaha) 15. sabse jyada maal wala 16. Jiska sar baqi jism ki nisbat barha ho. 17. sabse jyada darze wala 18. musafir key mukabley me mukeem 19. phir azad, azad kiye gulam key mukable par 20. phir wazo key badley tayyammum wala, gusal key badley tayyammum wala 21. phir log jisey chahe imam bala le (Dur-re-Mukhtar) (Ibarat no. 16 ko maine durust kardia hai) Phir Muslim ki Hadis aap hi ke alfaz main: 1. Quran ka quari 2. Sunnat ka jyada janney wala 3. Hizrat me awwal 4. umar me bada. Sab se pehle mujhe wazahat kardain keh yeh hizrat ka kia matlab hai? Jis zubaan ka yeh lafz aap ne likha hai meri woh zuban nahi, ya shayad mujhe samajh nahi araha. Lehaza wazahat karain hizrat kia hai Phir yeh bayan karain keh aik jamaa'at hain Musalmanon ki jis main 100 log hain. Un main se 10 log ese hain jo bohot ziyada Quran parhte hain, bohot ziyada Sunnaton ko janne wale hain, bohot hizrat main awal hai (Wallah a'lam iska kia matlab hai, wazahat par hi pata chalega) aur woh 10 k 10 assi (80) saal ke hain gharz yeh keh in main farq bayan kar hi nahi sakte keh kese aik ko doosre par tarjeeh dain. Ab aap kia karainge? Janab Hadees yeh hai agar aap nay hadees parhi hoti to aap ko in sab batoon ka jawab mil jana tha. Qaum ki Imamut woh aadmi karwaye jo kitab Allah ko ziadah Parhney wala ho, Pus agar woh(yani Qaum kay loge) Qir`at mai barabur hoon to phir woh aadmi karwaye jo sunnat ka ziadah ilam rakhta hai, aur agar woh sab sunnat kay ilam mai barabar hain, to phir woh aadmi jam`at karaye jis nay hijrat pehley ki ho, agar woh hijrat mai bhi barabur hoon to woh karaye jo Musalmaan pehley hua ho, Aur koi aadmi kisi doosrey aadmi ki imamat us ki saltanut mai karwaye aur na hee us kay ghar mai baghair us ki ijazat kay is ki (khas) izzat wali jagha par hee bethey.(baaz riwayat mai jo age mei bara ho wo jam`at karaye ke alfaaz hain) [Muslim jild 1 Kitab Ul Masaajid Baab mun Ahaq Bil Imamatun][Abu Dawood,Tirmidhi,Nisaai,Ibn e maaja] janab aap nay hizrat ki wazahat mangi thi to bhai qazi sahib india kay rehney waley hain to jo lafz wo wahaan boltey hain wohi yahaan likhtey hain. hizrat ka mani hijrat hai wesey maaf kijiye ga 1st standard mai bhi jo bacha ho ga wo is ko samajh jaye ga. aap nay kaha sab aik hee jesey loge hoon to wahaan kya karey to bhai jaan wahaan sab ka mashwara lay lo. jo bhi karwa lay sahi hai. us kay liye itnee lambi list nahi chahiye kay us ki biwi pyaree ho us ka ala tanasul aisa ho waisa ho. aur pata nahi kya kya. Aqal kay naakhun lo yaar. Agla mera jawab aapki di hui ibarat no. 14 hai jis main likha hai keh jiski bivi sab se khubsurat ho. Is main kia hikmat hai ap nahi samajh sakke. Bivi ka jamal apne shohor ki nazron ki hifazat ka aik zarya hai keh woh sirf apni bivi hi ki taraf maail ho. Zahir hai woh shakhs ziada behtar hai jo ghair auraton par nazarain na daalta ho aur apni bivi ko hi apne liye behtar nemat samajhta ho aur apni bivi se woh mutmain aur khush ho, ibarat ka bhi yehi matlab hai. Phir wohi baat kehta hun keh yeh tarjeeh hai, shart nahi lehaza kisi muqable ki zarurat nahi. Warna to ghair shadi-shuda shakhs imamat hi na karwa sakta! Ghair shadi shuda jamaa'at karwa le is main kia harj hai? Phir yeh bhi zehen main rakhain keh khoobsurati Tahajjud se barhti hai.Lehaza ibarat ka mafhoom yeh nikla keh jo apni bivi se mutmain ho keh uski nazron ki khoob hifazat ho taakeh dusri jaghain nazar na daale, jo keh tahajjud ki bhi alamat ho sakti hai. Umeed hai yeh baat bhi aapko wazeh ho chuki hogi. bhai yeh itni lambi wazaahat agar koi aam banda durre mukhtaar ko parhe to woh to ho gya na bechara hanafiat say door kion kay us ko kya pata is ki kya wazahat hai? aisee wazahat sahib e durr e mukhtar ko khud karni chahiye thi. becharey hanafioon ko tension daal gaye wazahat karney kay liye. Auron ko guzarish hai keh ab hamari discussion barhi hi serious morh par agaee hai, lehaza dour beth kar sirf tamasha dekhain lekin agar topic ke mutabik hi koi baat karni hai to most welcome bashart ye keh topic ko idhar udhar na ghuma dia jae point par baat ho! bhai yahaan konsa tamasha laga hai?? Ahadees ki mehfil ko aap tamasha keh rahey hain. lagta hai aap yahaan sirf maza lay rahey hain ilam nahi seekh rahe. tamasha ho ga yeh aap kay aur aap kay raza khani bhaioon kay liye. maaf kijiye ga agar bura laga Edited March 23, 2009 by asimsweetone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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