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Ghalat kaha janab aap ne! Thanvi ki jo dimaaghi halat thi woh awwal tu matti mein mil ke khaak nahi huwi, matti mein mil kar matti paleed kar gai! Doosra ye ke Thanvi ki dimaaghi kharabi jo uss ne apni kitabo mein muntaqil ki woh batadreej barhtay barhtay iss high level per pohanch gai hai ke poochiye matt! 2 namoonay Peer2009 aur abuowais ki shikal mein aap ke samnay hain! Pehlay Peer2009 sahab ne tareeqay se baat karne ki yaqeen dihani karwaie aur phir race ho gaye aur ab ye deobandari kunway ke naye maindak ke roop mein abuowais baramadd huway hain jin ki posts mein hawa hawai batoo ke ilawa kuch nahi, abhi tak tu koi mustanadd hawala ya daleel nazar nahi aiee!

Uss hawalay ko dobara parhiye aur phir bhi samajh na aye tu you really in need of help! Ala Hazrat ne bandar ko "Bandar" hi kaha, aur Wahabi hone ki tardeed ki ke janwaaro mein bhi Tazeem-e-Rasool hai lekin wahabiyo mein nahi! Check the thread below; http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...ic=6534&hl= Ab tu ye janab khud hi iqraar kar chukay Barsi ka! Aur na abhi tak kisi mustanadd deobandi zaray'e se iss hawalay ki tardeed samnay aiee hai so iss per behs ab fuzool hai. Same is the case with ghair'muqallideens! Kafi arsay pehlay fatwa parha tha Ghair'muqallideen ki janib se ke deobandiyo se nikah nahi, sirf zina hai aur mere kaafi kareebi dost ki love marriage jo ke ghair'muqallid larki se huwi aur larki bhi uss ghair'muqallid khandaan se kattar (staunch) ghair'muqallid hain hatta ke khud ghair'muqallido ka madrassa chalatay hain. Ab woh khatoon dunya mein bhar pe apni ghair'muqalldiyat per fakhar karti phirti hain lekin ye nahi maloom ke apnay hi mullo ke fatwo ki roo se zaaniya qaraar paati hai aur ab tu 1 wald-e-haram ko janam bhi de chuki hain. So kehnay ka maqsad ye ke jahalat ki ye beemari sirf deobandiyo mein nahi balkay ghair'muqallido mein bhi paee jati hai. Haa comparitively Deobandari iss race mien ghair'muqallido se thora aagay hain. Agar aap taqleed ki tafseel parhein tu maloom ho jaye ga ke humaray akabireen ke nazdeek aqaid mein taqleed jayaz hi nahi....

Aap pehlay tu ye faisla kar lijiye ke aap yaha Munnay Munni ki behs karne aye hain ya apni deobandariyat ki utarti dhooti ko sambhaalnay? Meri aaj tak ye samajh nahi aya ke koi insaan iss qadr be'sharm aur be'ghairat kis tarah ho sakta hai. Aap paish'karda aakhbari hawala'jaat ke radd mein farmatay hain ke "zarori to nahi k Akhbar walo ne Darust likha ho", aap ki iss daleel se hi aap ki ilmi auqaat ka ba'khoobi andaza hota hai. Hum ne sirf woh akhbaari hawala yaha quote kiya tu aap ki na'paid ghairat ne aisa josh mara ke aap ne forun se reply mein post likh mari aur humaray daway ko ghalat qaraar dya ke nahi jee barsi nahi huwi thi. Lekin jab yehi khabar akhbaar mein chappi thi tab se aaj tak poori deobandiyat mein koi aik ghairat'mand mulla nahi tha jo iss khabar ka radd karta. Aisa kyu? Aakhir jab her deobandari tatt poonjiye ko iss kism ka aiteraaz dekh kar jawab dene ki khaarish hoti hai tu phir deobandari mullao mein tu iss tarah ki jawabi karwaee ki kharish ba'darja-e-atam honi chahiye. Behr'haal ye tu aap hi behtar bata saktay hain ke inn mamloo mein aap ke takkay takkay ke mullaa zanaan'khaano mein kyu chup jatay hain! Baqi rahi bandar wali baat, tu aap kya aap ki naslain bhi aap ke kiye gaye daway ko sabit nahi kar sakti ke Ala Hazrat ne "Barelviyo" ko bandar kaha. Asal masla hi ye hai ke aap deobandariyo mein her tatt poonjiya mujtahid mufti bana betha hai, so issi behs-o-mubahisay mein bhi aap jaisay jahil hazrat hi nazar atay hain jinhay aiteraaz karne se pehlay aiteraaz ki bunyaad ki hi khabar nahi hoti. Iss bandar walay issue per agar tafseel se baat karna ho tu zaroor bataiye ga, warna aik topic tu already moujod hai jaha aap ke kaafi deegar deobandari zaleel-o-khuwaar ho kar bhaag chukay. Kufria ashaar, ghair'Allah se imdaad waghaira ke issues per kaafi topics already moujod hain jaha humaray Maslak, Maslak-e-Haq Ahle'Sunnat ki haqqaniyatt saaz wazeh hai. Phir bhi agar aap ko typical deobandari ki tarah zaati tuor per zalaalat ke mazay chakhnay hain tu aap ko bhi dawat hai. Jis mouzo per dil kare topic create kar lein, jawabaat wahi de diye jaye gay. Filhaal iss topic mein irrelevant baatein ghussa kar iss divert karna theek nahi. Ab apni post ko aap khud hi dekh lijiye. Asal mouzo ke ilawa aap her issue per baat kar rahay hain magar abhi tak aap ko ghairat nahi aiee ke uss akhbaari hawalay ke jawab mein kisi mustanadd deobandari mullay ka bayan paish kar dein. Agay aap farmatay hain ke "Dosri Baat k kia Akhbar Tere Ghar se nikalta hai jo tu keh raha hai k Barsi Manae gae?" Kya baat hai! Matlab ab deobandiyatt ke paas apni utarti dhooti ko bachanay ke liye issi kism ke dalail reh gaye hain! Tu miya jee kya Akhbaar Deoband se nikalta hai ke jis ka aitebaar na kya jaye? Phir aap ki agli statement se aap ki be'basi saaf zahir ho rahi hai. Aap kehtay hain ke "Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho" Chaliye janab, doosre ko andha kehtay kehtay lagta hai aap ke bhi chiraagh bujh gaye. Ab zara jaldi se bataiye ke apni pichli post mein ye baat aap ne kaha likhi. Apni pichli post mein tu aap Barsi ka siray se inkaar hi kar rahay thay. Aaiye aap ko aap ki apni hi post ka deedar karwao. Pichli post mein aap ne Barsi ka inkar kartay huway kaha ke; "Aik newspaper me photo k neeche likha hona k Maulana Sahib ki Barsi Manai ja rahi hai.....to zarori to nahi k Akhbar walo ne Darust likha ho! Un ki YAD me....un ki Seerat me......koi mehfil ho to kia woh barsi ho gae?" Phir mazeed agay likhtay hain ke; "Yeh Tum logo me Biddat hai k Barsi...Chalesva...." Pehlay aap in mehfilo ko Barsi mannay per hi tayyar nahi thay, hatta ke josh josh mein apnay Barsi ko hum logo ki biddat qaraar de diya, aur ab dekhiya aap kis tarah apni deobandiyatt ka muzahira karte huway loota ban rahay hain; "Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho" Iss kehtay hain apnay munh aap zaleel hona! Ab jab aap ne IN BARSIO ko BARSI maan hi lya hai tu iss per deobandari mufto ka fatwa bhi pata kijiye! Agay chal kar wohi ghisa'pita purana aiteraaz kar diya aap ne jis ka jawab baar'ha diya jaa chuka lekin shayad baar baar zaleel hona aap deobandariyo ki khaslat mein hai tabhi 1 hi aiteraaz ko baar baar duhra kar apni jahalat ka saboot dete hain. Aap ke "Radi Allahu Anhu" ke istimaal per aiteraaz ka jawab tu neechay parh lijiye lekin agar aap mein thori si bhi sharm hai tu iss ka reply bhi kijiye ga, ye na ke pehlay aiteraaz kya, phir jawab mila tu baat hi badal di! Nazirah Quran-e-Karim hi parh lya tu hota dil se tu ye naubat naa aati deobandariyo! Lekin aap jaiso ke liye Huzoor-e-Akram ki hadith jo moujod hai ke "Quran parhein gay lekin in ke halak se neechay na jaye ga" Baqi aapki bakwaas her chillar chor deobandari karta hai, so deegar tamaam issues per aap ko khulli chutti hai baat karne ki! Bus thori himmat kar ke apne aiterazaat ka saboot paish kar ke baat karein tu theek hai warna bawlay ki bakwaas per kaun kaan dharta hai!

Aap se is chichoor'panay ke ilawa kisi aur cheez ki tawwaqu pehlay bhi nahi thi aur ab bhi nahi hai. Kuch maheenay pehlay private messages ke through aap se tafseeli baat huwi thi aur aap ne khud khushi'khushi raza'mandi zahir ki thi ke aap aur mein alehda aik topic bana kar tamaam issues per baat kar lein gay aur doosray kisi ko beech mein bolnay ki ijazat na hogi. Masroofiyaat ka bahana bana kar aap ne kuch din ki muhlat maangi thi ke kuch din baad aap topic create karein gay. Maheenay guzar gaye, 2008 se 2009 aa gaya lekin aap ke "KUCH DIN" abhi tak khatam nahi huway. Aap ko dobara yaad dilaya tha topic ka tu aap ne farmaya tha ke fursat nahi mil rahi is liye intizaar kiya jaye. Ab samajh ye nahi aata ke kisi mouzo per tareeqay se baat karne ka aap ke paas time nahi, lekin her doosray topic mein bawlay deobandi ki tarah HA HA HE HE HO HO kartay nazar aatay hain. In be'tukki posts ke liye aap ke paas bara time bus nahi hai time tu tareeqay se baat karnay ka. Aiye ab aap ko karway such ka samna karwao. Mujhay awwal din se maloom tha ke aap kabhi bhi tareeqay se baat karne ki himmat nahi karien gay. Wajeh ye ke aap ke paas ILM naam ki cheez siray se moujoud hi nahi. Khud apnay deobandi aqeeda ka aap ko nahi pata tabhi jaha phans jatay hain waha deobandi honay se hi mukar jatay hain aap. Aap apni noiyatt ke pehlay deobandi nahi. Orkut aur deegar sites per aap jaisay deobandi macharro ki si tadaad mein bharay paray hain jinhay na alif ka pata hai na bay ka, magar behs' baray-e-behs zaroor karni hoti hai. Khair aap ko samjhana bekaar hai ke aap ki zehni aur ilmi nehaj aap ko iss kism ki baatein samajhnay ki ijazat hi nahi de gi. Ainda aap ki bekaar posta ko baghair kisi warning delete kar diya jaye ga. Agar aap ke pass radd mein kehnay ko kuch hai tu zaroor post kijiye, ba'soorat deegar bakwaas karne ke liye aap deobandiyo ke kaee doosray forums hain waha ka rukh kijiye.

Really an informative post. Kaafi sunniyo ko iss baat ki khabar nahi aur unhay rookna bhi masla ban jata hai kyu ke aaj kal ye aik tarah se shuaar-e-sunni ban gaya hai... I'd say.. keep spreading the good

Aap ne Urdu kaha se parhi hai janab? Aap ki Urdudaani ki gawahi tu aap khud apni zaban se de chukay, Ujaalay ka ulta roshni! Rahi baat section name ki tu iss ka simple sa jawab tu ye hai ke your presence here is a privilege not a right, so act accordingly. Waisay bhi jis andaaz mein aap ne kaha ke "aap muqalid banay raho hum nay kab mana kia hai laikin humain us catagary main to na ghasito" waisay bhi duroon-e-khaana aap bhi Ahle'Hadith ya jo jee chahay banay rahiye, humein kyu apni marzi ka pa'band kartay hain? Aap hazrat Ahle'Hadith hain hi nahi tu kehlaye gay kyu? Apnay matlab ki ahadiths rakh lien jo pasand na aiee unhay zaeef keh kar tukhra dya. Agar aap hazrat sach mein Ahle'Hadith hotay tu phir ye naam angraiz se allot karwanay ki kya zaroorat parti? Kabhi Salafiyah ban jatay hain, kabhi Ahle'Hadith tu kabhi kuch. Khair the topic itself has no grounds and will soon be removed. So save your posts if you want to.

Kya nazara hai... aik zaleel ho chuka doosra zalalat per daad-o-tehseen de raha hai! Issay kehtay hian deobandiyatt!

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I had a debate over this issue a few months ago, the most intense one ever and been declared Gustakh-e-Rasool by some so-called sunnis. If you've read Nuh Keller's article, read it again and you may find him lacking a lot of information on this issue, like hilariously, he dont even know whether Ala Hazrat sent Hassam-ul-Harmain to Ulema-e-Hijaz for endorsement or took al-Mu’tamad al’mustanadd personally to Harmayn Sharif and yet he finds himself suitable to comment such an intense issue. In conclusion he and his creed thinks that fatwas of Hassam-ul-Harmain is not valid anymore and they consider the 4 If you read his article you'll know he got nothing but Al'Muhinnd in defense of deobandies which has been successfully refuted since ages. I dont want to start a debate over this again. To me this is just an another Sullah-e-Kulli group, so here is the scholarly response to Nuh Keller. There are also sadly some illogical & unsubstantiated remarks by the Shaykh (Nuh) to which we will give him the benefit of doubt for since it is highly likely such comments perhaps were inspired by the adversaries of the Ahl as-Sunnah w’al Jama’ah. The author of the fatwa incriminates himself by his own set principles from the blasphemy which Nûh Hâ Mîm set out to justify and defend. These are the statements from the Ulema & Mashaikh-e-Haqq of Jamat-e-Ahle'Sunnat (UK). Follow the link below for complete response. http://www.islam786.org/deobandis.htm#105699658

Mash'Allah apnay ghar ki kitabo ki gawahi ko mukhalif per daleel ban kar khoob jawab diya hai aap ne. Matlab angraiz ke hawalay bhi tu apnay hi ghar ki kitab se jaisay angraiz khud aa kar ke aap ki kitabo mein apnay khayalat raqm kar gaya! Angraiz Captain Fala ka bayan, apni kitaab se, Captain fala ki falani kitab ka bayan, apni kitaab se! Kya yaari hai! Khair, abhi office mein hon, zyada baatein nahi karo ga... Hayat-e-Tayabba ke hawalay ko quote kartay huway aap kuch baatein kawwa qorma samajh kar harap kar gaye. Neechay scan mein parh lijiye; Ab yaha tu khud musaniff hi keh raha hai ke "Ye jihad sirf sikho ke liye hi makhsoos tha". Hatta ke ye tak likh dya ke "Sarkar Angraizi se musalmaano ko hargiz hargiz mukhasimat na thi". Tu khulasa tu musannif khud bayan kar gaya, ab aap ki iss taweel ki tu koi tukk hi nahi banti ke kisi muslihat ki bina per Angraiz ki khilaaf jihad ya bayan'baazi se perhaiz kiya gaya. Aur waisay ye baat bhi hai ke aap ke nazdeek sari muslihat aap hi ke akabireen ke paas thi, angraiz tu ghooncho tha jo (aap ke baqoul) ubharti taqat se ainda khatraat ko na bhaanp saka. Angraizo ki khulli chutti hi iss baat ki daleel hai ke usay (naam'nihad) Syed Ahmed aur Ismail Dehalvi ke qatil toolay se mustaqbil mein koi khatra nahi tha Mazeed aap ke Ismail Qateel ke kuch aur qissay bhi parh lijiye; Ab kya khayal hai janab aap ka. Khullay alfaaz mein aap ke Ismail Qateel ne fatwa de dya ke angraiz se jihad kisi tarah bhi wajib nahi balkay agar koi angraiz per hamla karay tu musalmano per FARZ hai ke uss se laray! Agay zimnan aap ne lafz "Wahabi" per bhi kuch be'saro'paa taweelat paish kien tu unn ka bhi jawab sun lijiye. Aap kehtay hain ke sab se pehlay Angraiz ne Ahle-Haq ko badnaam karne ke liye "wahabi" ka lafz istimaal kya aur ab jo bhi isay istimaal karta hai woh gooya Angraiz ki pairwee kar raha hai. Ab umeed hai ke aap ka ye statement apnay aur ghairoo ke liye brabar hoga. Ab ya tu aap ki baat ghalat ke sab se angraiz ne Wahabi lafz istimaal kya, ya phir aap ke ye Hakeem-ul-Ummat bhi angraiz ke peechay peechay chal rahay thay...aur angraiz ki pairwee kartay kartay woh kitnay baray bandar banay ye tu aap hazrat ki un se aqeedat hi bata deti hai.

Iss site per aik kitaab Tazkirah-e-Qalandar-e-Zaman se ye mawaad mila hai;

Ye hargizz koi sunni site nahi ho sakti, for 2 reasons; Awwal tu mutaqadeen mein Thanvi ka naam moujod hai, doosra page ke end mein Farhat Hashmi ki Al-Huda International ke links hain. So dont be deceieved. Allah in bad'mazhabo ke sharr se mehfooz rakhay. Ameen

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Now lets examine the excerpt you quoted. Mawlana Shah Ismail shaheed was barred for 40 days from preaching in public because of fear for so-called fitna. After that Shah shaheed wrote to the mayor of Dehli and mentioned 80 reasons why he should be allowed to preach. Mayor was convinced and signed an order and told Mawlana Fazl Haq Khairabadi to issue this order. After few days when Mawlana Shah shaheed received no reply to his letter he went to meet the mayor. Mayor appologized and mentioned that I have signed a new order allowing you to preach. At this Mawlana shaheed mentioned that he has received no such order. It had been six days and Fazl Haq Khairabadi was suspended for three months for not following the orders. He left Dehli for Rampur. This incident had a great impact on the general public and more and more people joined the lectures of Shah Ismail shaheed. 1. Its clearly evident from various ghair'muqallid and deobandi material that Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi was an opponent of Ismail Dehalvi's beliefs. Now why the Mayor ordered an opponent to issue such an order? 2. From your quoted excerpt its evident that Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi was suspended for not following a BRITISH ORDER! Since when not following a British Order for stopping an evil is declared as an Islamic crime? Now there could be conditions; a) either you think of Ismail Dehalvi as a righteous person, the one who declared muqallideen as deviants. If yes, please let us know. OR if it wasnt a crime to stop an evil to misguide people of faith than what are you accusing Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi for?

First of all I wasnt really expecting such an arrogance from you, not atleast at this very beginning. You simply kept your mouth shut on the things you declared yourself as "off the topic". Anyways, thats not something new we've seen on this forum. You said you wanted to talk with historical perspective and yet you dont want to talk about whether Hayat-e-Tayibba is a general historical book or a biography of a deviant named Ismail Dehalvi and only popular among a certain school of thought, that is ghair'muqallids. The most logical and valid proof is that the author of this book had total personal disagreement with the beliefs of Fazl-e-Haq Khairabad as he himself is a ghair'muqallid. It is widely known that Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi always refuted their beliefs. So you cant take an opponent's report which is not proven by any other resources, as an evidence! Try to prove it from some other resources than that, if you can. Like if you were there in that era and if Mr. Hairat Dehalvi would have accused Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi of murder, you would be asking the court to take that evidence and charge Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi for murder! Just because Mr. Hairat Dehalvi wrote so! Ibn Kathir was a student of Ibn Taymiyya but if you read his work, you'll find a lot of things which are in total contradiction to his teacher's work and in accordance with mainstream sunnis. And by the way, you said "by analysing the chain or other historical reports" now would you please tell me by which other historical reports you analyzed Hayat-e-Tayibba' report? Now please employ a similar methodology in analyzing Hayat-e-Tayibba and tell how many other historical resources affirms this report. Neither I said that its a book of fiqh. And we cant even expect a book of fiqh from ghair'muqallids as they dont even believe in fiqh. And once again, its not a historical work, its a biography, even by its name! Its not about my satisfaction, its about the most general and basic ruling! You cant accuse someone on behalf of a report from his opponent ONLY! Similarly if I ask you to tell who is the last prophet of Allah, and then you replies me with qadiyani resources then am I bound to accept it as truth? So stop beating the bushes and try to bring something authentic enough than an individual's (a ghair'muqallid individual's) report. Same theory applies on you too! To prove that report as authentic and true you need to present similar reports from other resources as well not just from a particular sect (opponent as well). Same is the case with Ismail Dehalvi and his creed. Proven wrong since ages and still being refuted successfully, thus we cant take his follower's word as authentic, just like you wont take any Qadiyani's word when it comes to denounce some sunni scholar. In reply, I want you to do the same. Provide anything from historical facts (not an opposing individual's report) that affirms what you quoted from Hayat-e-Tayyiba. Here I got something interesting for you from Hayat-e-Tayyiba; “When Mawlana Ismail Dehalvi was lecturing on jihad in Calcutta, and was describing the oppression of the Sikhs, a person asked: ‘why don’t you rule (give fatwa) to do jihad against the British?’ Replied Mawlana (Dehalvi): ‘it is not wajib in any case to fight against the British. Firstly because we are their subjects; second, they do not interfere in our religious affairs and we have all kinds of freedom under their rule. But in fact, if any one attacks the British, it is the religious duty of Muslims to fight against them and protect our (British) government.” (Hayat-e-Tayyiba, pg. 302) Now how can we rely on a person (Mirza Hairat) who praises a person (Ismail Dehalvi) who thinks that defending British is the duty of muslims!

Well I appreciate my brother's effort but you dont really have to go anywhere to get your queries replied. I had written the reply but you know how our electricity departments works. Anyways, I am at work now and about to leave the office. Replies will be posted tonight InshAllah.

Hazrat aap ke mufti ne fatwa dya hai, tu daleel dena tu deobandiyo ki zimaydaari. Warna aisay tu Quran se deobandiyo ka musalmaan hona bhi sabit nahi tu kya deobandiyo per kufr ka fatwa bhi aisay hi dein gay ke Quran se musalman sabit karo nahi tu kafir. Islam mein jis ke halaal hona ka hukum woh halaal, jis ke haram honay ka zikr woh haram, aur ab aap deobandiyo ka naya Islam ke jis per khamooshi woh bhi haram!

Neither I tried to divert the topic but asked a few very simple queries which are actually relevant to the issue you brought up. If it doesnt matter whether Ismail Dehalvi followed a fiqh or not then why you're entitling him with [Rh]? So before denouncing a renowned Sunni scholar from ghair'muqallid resources, its really important to know your views on ghair'muqallids. That'll help me answer your queries accordingly. I hope you wont consider it diversion anymore. You didnt really dicuss it in historical perspective but ghair'muqallideen's perspective as Hayat-e-Tayibba is biography of Ismail Dehalvi (a ghair'muqallid) by Mirza Hairat Dehalvi (a ghair'muqallid), so when it comes to inter-sect discussion this book cant be considered as unbiased or authentic, even by the general rulings of debate and discussions. Whatelse you got in this historical perspective other than this ghair'muqallid source? Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi opposed ghair'muqallid openly even refuted Ismail Dehalvi on number of occasions so its not really surprising to see such an allegation from ghair'muqallideens. And thats really ignorant to say that you dont have to prove whether Hayat-e-Tayibba is authentic or not and yet asking me to prove it unauthentic. Its you who presented a ghair'muqallid author's book to me, a staunch muqallid, so its your liability to prove it authentic to me, even to yourself as you claimed yourself to be a hanafi muqallid as well. Let me put it simple. I am not sure how authentic is Hayat-e-Tayibba is for you, but for mainstream sunnis its not authentic at all as its written by a ghair'muqallid and I hope you know mainstream sunni's view especially Hanafi's views regarding ghair'muqallideens. We simply do not acknowledge Hayat-e-Tayibba. And about accepting any book on its default then I'd say you should be reading Mirza Qadiyani as well! Dont get me wrong, I mean look at you. All you got as an evidence is a book written by a ghair'muqallid! They openly oppose Muqallideens and Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi was a muqallid. Does it make sense to bring an opponent's word as an evidence, considering it unbiased? Tomorrow you'll be coming up with some shia material stating that sunnis are wrong, will you? If you have anything against Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadia, try to bring something from unbiased and reliable sources. Right now, there is nothing to refute in your presented material. Do a google on Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi, even check Wikipedia entries and you'll find a lot more than this ghair'muqallid crap and that'll be way more authentic than Hayat-e-Tayibba as it'll be an unbiased view.

First of all, IslamiMehfil welcomes you to this portal. I'd like to ask a few things before getting into a detailed discussion. As you said you're a Hanafi which obviously makes you a muqallid then what opinion do you hold for ghair'muqallideens as well as for Shah Ismail Dehalvi? Was he a muqallid? As per your statement; Do you consider this against shariah laws? I mean is disagreeing with Ismail Dehalvi a sin or what? And if you are a Hanafi muqallid, what makes you present an excerpt from Mirza Hairat Dehalvi's Hayat Taiyabbah, a ghair'muqallid doctrine? Do you consider it authentic enough? If yes, then on what grounds? I hope you'll answer the queries in an adequate manner.

Hazrat aik seedhi aur simple si guzarish hai. Iss topic per alehda thread bana huwa hai pehlay usay mukammal tour per parh lijiye. Phir agar tabyat chahay tu aik alehda thread bana lijiye, koi nahi rook raha aap ko. Filhaal iss topic mein jo issue hai ussi per baat ki jaye tu acha hai. Asal mein masla ye hain ke koi bhi member agar topic se hatt kar baat karay tu saray hi reply dena shuru ho jatay hain aur phir topic kahee ka kahee nikal jata hai. Mein khud bhi kabhi kabhaar majbooran yehi karta hon. Khair umeed hai baat aap samait baki sab ki bhi samajh aa gai hogi. Ab aap se guzarish hai ke Ghair'Allah se madad ke topic ko parh lijiye, phir ya tu waha baat kar lijiye ya phir new thread bana lijiye. Lekin ye zaroor yaad rakhiye ga ke agar aap humaray kisi aqeeday per sawal kartay hain ya aiteraaz kartay hain tu pehlay uss aiteraaz ko sabit kijiye ga phir uss per jarah kijiye ga. Maslan aap ghair'Allah se madad ke baray mein apna aqeeda bayan kartay hain ke asal aur sahi aqeeda ye hai tu humaray aqeeda bhi bayan kijiye ga dalail ke saath takay tafreeq ho sakay ke aap ke aur humaray aqeeday mein farq kiya hai.. phir uss farq per jarah ho jaye gi. Further irrelevant posts delete kardi jain gi chahay kisi ki bhi hon tu sab se guzarish karta hon ke topic ko diversion se bachanay ke liye topic se related posts hi karein.

Fiker na karein, asal mouzo se bhaagnay ke liye jo rasta nikalnay ki koshish kar rahay hain uss per bhi zaleel hi hongay ye. Asal mouzo apni jageh hi hai, ye khuwaab wala maamla tu aik bhai ne zimnan post kiya tha, jisay ye Peer2009 diversion ke liye use karna chah rahay thay magar uss mein bhi nakaam ho gaye.

Janab hum loog tu aisa nahi kartay. Kartay tu aisa deobandi hain jo aisi baatein apni kitaabo mein seena phula ke chaaptay hain. Aur rahi baat ke kya islam ye taleem deta hai ke apnay ghar ja ker abba se poocho tu miya jee ye tu aap deobandiyo ka islam hai ke jo aisi taleemat deta hai ke aisay khuwaab dekh kar kitabo mein hikayat bana ke bayan karo. Jab aap ke moulvi aisay khuwaab ko hikayat bana kar kitabo mein chaap saktay hain tu phir aap nazdeek apnay abba se aisa sawal karna tu koi buri baat nahi honi chahiye. Agar aap ko apnay abba se aisa sawal kartay sharm aati hai kyu ke Islam aisi taleemat nahi deta tu matlab aap ke jis mullay ne baat fakhar se kitaab mein chaapi usay Islami taleemat ka kuch pata hi nahi tha, tabhi usay ye baat kitab mein likhtay sharam nahi aye, aur baki saray deobandiyo ko bhi Islami taleemat ka nahi pata, tabhi unhay iss kitaab ko baar baar chaaptay sharm nahi.

Chaliye aap dunyawi mamlaat mein makhlooq se madad lene ke qayl hain. Iss ke jawaz mein koi daleel hai aap ke paas ke dunyawi mamlaat mein makhlooq se madad lena kyu jayaz hai. Kya dunyawi mamlaat mein Allah madad karnay ki qudrat nahi rakhta? Zahir hai Allah her cheez per qadir hai tu phir dunyawi mamlaat mein bhi makhlooq se madad kyu? Iss ke jawaz mein ab aap daleel paish karein Quran-o-Hadith se. Ab aiye Ghaibi Imdaad se. Aap ne kaha ke jaisay jihad per jatay huway kehna ke Ya Allah Madad, tu matlab aap ke nazdeek jihad kartay huway Allah ke siwa kisi aur ko madad ke liye pukarna shirk hai. Ab agar Jihad mein koi Sahabi kahay "Ya Muhammadah" jis ke arabi mein maani hai "Ya Muhammad Madad" tu woh sahabi kya mushrik huway? Mazeed aap ke jin Ulema-e-Deoband ne Auliya Allah se madad mangnay ko jayaz likha hai unhay aap kya samajhtay hain, muslaman ya mushrik?

Hazrat aap ne kaha ke mein ne aap ke ghar walo ko gaali di. So zara jaldi se bataiye iss mein gali kaun si hai. Chaliey gaali chooriye yehi bata dijiye ke iss mein aap ke hisaab se buri baat kya hai. Aap ke tu Ulema khuwaab mein "Uzoo-e-tanasull" dekh chukay, tu agar aap ke walid ne bhi dekh liya tu kaun si buri baat? Aur mein tu ye bhi nahi keh raha ke aap ke walid ne dekha hoga, mein tu sirf aap se keh raha hon ke zara poochiye tu sahi abba se kabhi dekha hai? Jawab denay se pehlay apni pichli post ko zehn mein zaroor rakhiye ga.

Ab in deobadiyo ke paas arguments ke tour per yehi batein reh gai hain ke munnay,, bachay... Miya iss chichoor'panay se bahir aa kar kuch ilmi dalail paish kar ke apni ilmi auqaat ka muzahira kijiye. Acha ab ye batao jo dunya mein Allah ke ilawa kisi aur se madad mangay tu woh kiya hai? Like kisi se ye samajh kar madad maangay ke ye apni zaat se nahi balkay Allah ki ataa se madad karein gay tu phir woh theek karta hai ya nahi? Agar theek nahi tu phir woh kya hai, muslim ya mushrik. Aur janab ye deoband ka akhara nahi jaha mullay bhainsay aur saandh banay aik doosray se lartay rahein. So ainda iss qism ki dhamiya denay se perhaiz kijiye ga warna majbooran aap ko yaha tashreef le jana paray ga.