Abdulsalam

Very Good Anwar sahib nice sharing, ye hai saboot jo ke main kisi Ahl-e-Hadith ko dikha sakta hon, ke ye kia hai Thanks a Lot Isi Tarha tehqeeq kertye rahain, insha Allah sahi rasta talash kerlaingye Abdul Salam

Janab Janab Aap ne ye samajhnye main ghalati ki ke Rapist ka matlab hai ke unhon ne rape kia and killer means ke killing bhi ki, main ne yahi kaha tha ke kia aap ke pass saboot hai, isi silsilye main bohtan ki hadith share kit hi. Aap ke tamam mentioned books kisi doosrye ne Muhammad bin Wahab ki mukhalifat main likhi hai, ab agar amin koi kitab aap ke mukhalifat main likh don jis main aap per ilzamat hon to kia us ko bhi man lengye aap, nahin yaqeenan aap mujh se sabot talab karaingye yani ke proofs or any written proof jis ke zarye ye sabit ho ke ye ilzamamt sahi hain. Yahi main ne mangi hai un ki kisi kitab se saboot. Aap one by one mangtye jain, main aap ko dikhata jaonga (Insha Allah), is ke ilawa aap ko aap ke hi kitabon ka hawala doya hai, chahyen to khud kanfirm karain…….. Agar aap ko wo ahadith hi nazar nahin aati to baraye meharbani is forum ko choor kar ghar baith jaayen, behtar hoga, kisi ko zich kernye ke liye acha tareeqa hai. Agar sabit ker di to kia aap tamam Barelvi and Deobani Aqayed se tuba ker ke Khalis Quran-o-Sunnat ko mannye walye ho janingye…. Jawab zaroor dain. Tab tak koi jawab nahin donga na hi sabit karoga Yahi guzarish meri aap se hain agar nahin manna to keh dain ke nahin manna kion khuah makhua apnye hi ulama ko nahin mantye, khamoosh ho jayen Mutaliba to us waqt ho jab ke aap ke barye main kahi gai koi baat ghalat ho na. aap to khud manntye hain ke jo kuch bhi aap ko hum batatye gaye aap mantye gaye, chahye wo Fatiha Khalful Imam, Rafa Yadain, Talaq-e-Slasa, Torak, Witr, Taravih, Tasawoof, etc sab ke sab aap to mantye hain phir is waqt kis qisim ki halaf namye mangye gye aap??, han agar ye kehtye aap ke hum ye sab nahin mantye hain and aap ka amal bhi aap ka yahi kehta to phir zaroorat rehti ke aap ki kitabon ko scan kerkye send kia jaye…. Yaqeenan aap kuch jaldi main maloom hotye hain jo sab kuch bhool ker bas jawab denye ki koshish ki… zara thanda pani ka aik glass lain and thandye damagh ke saath sochain ke main kia kehta hon and aap kia amal er rahye hain…? Janab again wahi raag alap rahye hain aap, kitabain kitabyen, wesye main aap logon ko bara hi samjhdar samjhat tha lakin ye meri kham khayali thi, yahan to details main again and again batana perta hai, phir bhi wahi Murgye ki aik tang…., janab Ganjey and Khowarji ki tasreeh aap ko is se related post main dobara perh leni chahiye. Phir dobara is post per wapis aayen and jawab dain. Mutaliba to us waqt ho jab ke aap ke barye main kahi gai koi baat ghalat ho na. aap to khud manntye hain ke jo kuch bhi aap ko hum batatye gaye aap mantye gaye, chahye wo Fatiha Khalful Imam, Rafa Yadain, Talaq-e-Slasa, Torak, Witr, Taravih, Tasawoof, etc sab ke sab aap to mantye hain phir is waqt kis qisim ki halaf namye mangye gye aap?? Doosri baat ke hum kitni baar bata chukye hain ke humarye ulama ki baat bilkul bhi hujjat nahin hai, Quran-o-Hadith ke khilaf unki koi baat qabil-e-qabool nahin to phir kesye aap kesye keh saktye hain ke aap ke pesh karda sabooton ko ghalat nahin kaha and wo again un ka apna amal hai or Allah behtar janta hai ke un ke sath kia muamla kia jaye ga. Lehaza aap is silsilye main aap ka daawa hi ghalat ho jata hai.. Bilkul di hai and is ka matlab again ye hi samjhana tha ke ye kehna bilkul bhi sahi nahi hai ke humarye Aab-o-Ajdad ka jo aqeedah tha who sahi tha Ab aik aur sahib ki zubani sunain, Mirza Heart Dehalvi ne Bukhari ka tarjuma kar dala or is ke debacha main likha “Rasool-e-Akram ke pak aqwal or aap ki hidayaton per abhi perda para hoa tha or lakhon urdu dan tabqye ki qismaten chand arabi dan molvion ke haton main thin ke khoa unhain unke haqiqi nijat-e-dahinda keaqwal sunayen ya sunayen, unhain ikhtiyar tha is ke ilawa sadha nafs perast peshwa awam-un-nas ko behkanye ke liye un sa faida hasil kernye ke liye apni taraf se bukhari ka nam le diya kertye thy eke sahi bukhari main ye likha hai khoa likha ho ya na likha ho, or khoah is ke berkhilaf hi likha ho. Ab in ke jor-o-zulm ki umer khatam hogai. Ummat marhooma ke urdu dana afrad hargiz in ke dhandhye main nahin phansyengye. Fil-haqiqat is ki zaroorat thi ke Rasool-e-Akram(SAW) ki hidayatain aur aqwal khas aadmion ke qabzye main na rahin bulkye awam un se barahe rast istafada kerskain, Khuda aur Rasool ka faiz aam hona chahiye. Is ke barkaton ko khoas main mehdood kerna jabiron our zalimon ka kam hai” (Tarjuma Sahi Bukhari, Mirza Hairat Dehalvi 1906. ab yahan yaqeenan aap poochaingye ke main ne ye baat yahan kion kot ki to janab is ka matlab hai ke aam awam ko ye maloom hi nahin tha ke bukhari ya muslim, quran, kia kehtye hain to phir ye kehna ke aqeeda sahi tha kia matlab?? (is (Hairat Dehalvi)ke aqaayed se main ya Ulama-e-Ahle-Hadith bilkul bhi taaluq nahin rakhtye hain) Abdul Salam

Janab Saeedi sahib Shukar hai Allah ka ke aap ne ye to bataya ke Hazrat Jeelani (RAH) Hambali they, Ab kuch bohat asan se sawalat zehan main uthtye hain jis ke sawalat jawabat talab hain? 1)Maslak Islam Ab ye bhi kaha ja sakta hai ke un ka ye ikhtiyar shuda madhab bilkul sahi tha and hai, tabhi to aap ke Peeran-e-Peer ne ye madhab ikhtiyar kia ya woh is se wabista they? Or kia hi baat hai ke peer to hanafion ke lakin muqallid Imam Hambal ke, or kia hi baat hai ke Imam Hambal ko bara mantye thye jab ke Ghoth ke taa’reef main aap ko aapki hi kitab se dikha chukka hon (Mazeed ye ke sawal bhi post ki hoi hai) ke Nabi ke baad Goth hi sab se bara hota hai, takvinee hakoomat us ke hath main hoti hai waghera waghera. To phir zara ye bhi batain ke Imam Hambal ki taqleed kion kertye thye direct (Bilawasta) Hazoor-e-Akram ki ittiba kion nahin kertye thye? 2)Sofi Izm Kia hi madhab hai Sofi Izm ke islam main ajmi honye ke bawajood maslak ko nahin manta lakin Islam main jab islam main Ittiba-e-Rasool ki baat hoti hai to Taqleed ko kaha jata hai (Very Strange) Quran –o-Hadith ko chordo lakin Qol-e-Imam ko pakro (Usool-e-Karkhi) Wesye ye Tasawoof ka system hi samajh se bala tar hai (wesye Kashful Mahjood ke mutabiq Sofia ke chothye (4th) ya panchvey (5th) tabqye ne sofi izm ke system ko complete kia), and agar koi is system ko samjh sakta hai to aik Sofi, missal ke tor per agar Goth hamesha zinda rehta hai to tama Ambia jo ke sofion ke baqol beyakwaqt Nabi bhi they and Goth bhi, un ke baad Hazrat Ali , un ke bad aik or sahib (Baqool Kemaye Saadat, translated by Mohammad Saeed Ahmed Naqshbandi) thye, unke baad Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH), alkin un ke baad koi nahin, too sawal ye zehan main aata hai ke jab Goth hamesha zinda rehta hai to phir mazeed kisi goth ki kia zaroorat? Doosri ye agar bilfaraz ye maan bhi lia jaye ke mazeed Goth mojood hain zinda hain to phir to masala ho jayga ke tamam ke pas takvinee hakoomat hasil hai to aik kaenaat ke itnye hukmaran, wah kia hi shirk ka darwaza khola hai? Mazeed ye ke agar madad hi mangni hai to Allah se kion nahin, chalo is ke baad aap ke baqool tamam aqsam ki madad Nabi se kion nahin, is ke baad Hazrat Ali se kion nahin, is ke baat goth sahib se kion nahin, bulke in sab ke ilawa sofi-izm main peer sey ya phir some time Ulama se. wah wah Kia is ka matlab Allah kisi madad ke poora karnye se aajiz hai (Zaooz-o-Billah), ya aap ke baqool Nabi ajiz hain? (wazeh rahye ke ye gustakhi ke zimrye mainaatee hai), ya phir Hazrat ali ajiz hain? Han agar ajiz nahin hain to aap ke peer sahib, Goth Sahib, aap ke Ulama…. Ajeeb tareen bat hai. Logon ko our kinta bewaqoof banao gye??? Isi leye to poochtye hian ke ye Sofi Izm kon sa madhab hai jo kehta hai aik ho jao lakin islami aqayed and farooi muamlat main kehta hai ke taqleed karo apnye imamaon ki? To taqleed se behtar to Sofi Izm hoi? Kion na isi ko qabool kerliya jaye, is ke tamam shirkia aqeedah ko mantye hoye? Ab aatye hai aap ke aitarazat bajawab-e-post of Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen Talaqe Slasa: ghair aham to koi nahin samajhta bulke is teen aik waqt ki talaq ko aik hi mantye hain (ghair aham nahin), doosri zakir naik ke ilmi taaqub main Talaq-e-Buta ke mane (meaning) aap ke Hanafi Aalim ke zubani matlab samjhadiya hai. Mazeed kuch aur aap ke gosh guzarna chahta hon ke, zara ye batain ke jesa ke Quran main Sora Nisa Ayah 23 main hai ke “tumhari Main (Mothers), Betian, Behnain, Phophiyan, Khalayen (Mother Sister), Bhateejian, Bhanjeyan, razai mother, razai behanain, tumhari bivion ke main jin se tum sohbat kerchukye ho or pichli larkian jo ke aksar awoqat tumhari perqarish main hon tum per haram hai, to janab agar koi sakh ahmaqana pan se ya ghalti se in se nikah ker ley to kia us ko in se wati ki ijazat di jaye gi ya nahin? Jawab zaroor dain, Ab agar Quran main wazeh hai ke (Sorah Baqara Ayat 226 se 229) talaq deny eke liye kia tareeqa ikhtiyar kia jaye to phir apni mantiq se teen aik waqt main denye per kia Allah ki Hukam adooli nahin ho gi doosrye alfaz main kia Haram nahin hoga? Ab aik mazeed bat suntye jayen, Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas ravi hain ke “Hazoor-e-Akram ke zamana Mubarik Main, or Hazrat Abu Bakar ki khilafat main or Umer ke Khilafat main bhi do (2) sal tak teen (3) talaqain aik hi hoti thin phir Hazrat Umer ne farmaya ke logon ne aik ayse kam main jald bazi shoro kardi hain jis main in ko muhlat thi, pas agar hum in teenon hi ki in nafiz kerdain to munasib hai, pash aapne in teen talaqon ko nafiz kerdiya (Muslim, Jild 1, Page 377) Lehaza Abdul Qadir Jeelani ke baat ka sahi mafhoom ye hi hota hai ke is ko ghair aham na samjhja jaye bulke aik ki hi hesiayat di jaye Shetan ka beta Janab Nafrat insane ko kis darja gira deti hai is ka izhar aap ki is baat se hi hota hai, SHetan ke doosrye betye ka nam Hadith!, Janab phir to aap ko tamam Ahadith-e-Mubarika ko hi chor dena chahiye ke tamam ulama ke nazdeen Qol-e-Rasool ko hi hadith kehtye hain, jin ke yahan hum baat ker rahye hain, doosri taraf kehan, bolna bayan karna bhi Hadith ke maano main istimal hota hai, ye Ahadith-e-Mubarika hi hain jo aap ko apni manmani kernye se rooktye hain, and Baqool Hazoor-e-Akram “main tum main do (2) cheezain chorye ja raha hon, aik Quran and dosri apni sunnatain”, or ye sunnatian kahan se sabit hoti hain, Ahadith-e-Mubarika se hi, ab khud batain aap ka aqeedah basically hai kia??? Namaz ke silsilye main aap jis masjid ki baat ker rahye hain wo Hanafi Masjid hi hai aap ke Hanafi MAslak ke doosri shakh Deoband ki, kahan is ko Ahl-e-Hadith se mila diya, shaid and Yaqeenan aap ko Ahle-e-Hadith ke barye main kuch ziyada ilm nahin hai. Najdiyana Khayanat….. wah (i), (ii), janab ye aap ko sirf batanye ki liye post ki thi ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ki namaz kesi thi and ye bohat pehlye hi bata chukka hon ke ye humarye nazdeek hujjat ke qabil nahin, lakin aap ke nazdeek honi chahiye. Lakin yahan to wahi baat hoi ke Taqlee-e-Jamid ka chashma laga ker dekha and isko Hazoor-e-Akram ke Qol ke mukhalifat main apni baat ko manwanye ke liye aeri choti ka zoor laga diya (“Namaz parho jesa ke mujhye perhtye dekhtye ho”) (iii) Ikhtilaf to nahin kertye lakin azan, Aqamat, Naat, (some time Qawali), Elanat(announcement), waqghyera main is ko zaroor perhtye hain, azan ka aik mustaqil hiss bana diya, ab agar kahin azan shoro ho gai ho and wahah per Salat-o-Wasslam na perhi jaye to tamam log ye samajh lengye ke ye aik barelvi ki masjid nahin (numayan/ mukhtalif nazar aanye ke liye aik aisa amal), to phir…? (iv)Humarye Liye Bukhari, Muslim, Mowta Imam Malik, waghyera afzal hain Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen ke muqablye main, lehaza Takhne se takhna milatye hain, na ke sirf kandhe se kandha, “Numan Bin Bashir sahabi ne kaha ke main ne dekha (Saf main) aik shaksh hum me se apna Takhna apnye qareeb walye ke takhnye se mila ker khara hota” (Bukhari, Babul Izaqil Munkib) Is silsilye ki doosri Hadith Hazrat Umro Bin Khaild, un se Zuheeir bin Muavia, un se HAmeed, un se Anas unhon ne Hazoor-e-Akram se ke farmaya “safian braber karon, main tumhain apnye peechye se bhi dekhta rehta hon our hum main se har shakhs ye karta ke (saf main) apna mondha apnye sathi ke mondhye se and apna qadam apnye sathi ke qadam se mila deta tha” Jabke aap ka in donon per hi amal nazar nahin aata (kuch janghon per), ke 2, 2, 3, 3, ungli jagha mojood rehti hai and koi milnye ko tayar milta hai koi nahin, Imam sahib aatye hain kuch to Saf ko durust kernye ka boltye hain kuch wo bhi nahin boltye, aaye, namaz perhai, chalye gaye (v) Kutub Ahadith ke muqablye main Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen ki kia hasiyat, in main likha hai ke Niyat Dil ke iradye ka nam hai, na zuban ke (vi) takbeer akehri ho ya dohri dono per humain bhi aitiraz nahin, lakin Bukhari ki hadith se to sabith hai akehri takbeer, secondly jab hukm hai ke “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye perhtye hoye dekhtye ho” to phir kia kia jaye??, (vii)Aap naf ke uoper hi hath bandh lain, namaz to ho jayegi, aitiraz is ke ilawa nahin ke “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye erhtye hoye dekhtye ho” tabhi hum is tarha perhtye hain and doosri tareeqa se bhi. Is ke ilawa Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen main hai (viii) Zara dobara mulahiza farmayen ke main nain aik isitafsar bhi post kit hi is silsilye main and us ki details bhi zara us ko dobara mulahiza farmayen Jin becharon ne Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen ab tak perhi nahin thi un ko to pata hi nahin tha ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ka aqeeda, namaz kesi thi and jo kuch bhi molvi hazrat bayan farma dain wo hi theek ho ga (ix-x) Aamen Biljahar, Rafa Yadain! Kam azkam aap ye to mantye hain ke ye heeyat-e-Namaz main se hai, lehaza Qol-e-Rasool Allah “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye perhtye hoye dekhtye ho” ke misdaq isko aap kia darja daingye, tamam logon ko bhi bata dain? 20 Rikat Taravieh and Noor, indono ke liye mera jawab yahan per wohi hai ke Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen aap ko samjhnanye ke liye thi and is ki tamam baton per aqeeda hum rakhtye hi nahin, na hi ye hujjat hai Qirat Khalful Imam 1)Tu Janab meri and apni pichli post main dil main perhnye ke silsilye main main ne jab kaha ke “shukar hai ke aap man gaye ke dil main perh lena chahiye” aap ka reply the ke hum nahin mantye and jhoot na boloon??, ab aap dobara is ko maan rahye hain!!!??? 2)Phir Muslim ke Hadith main Mumar ke Munfarid honye ke silsilye main bhi aap ke hi mukhalifat main hai, jab ke hum is ko Quran ke Ayat ke tehat chor detye hain (our jab quran perha jaye t khamoos raho), is se fatiha khalful Imam sabit hoti hai. 3)Matlab to mera wahi hai jo jawab main likha hai (han men ne jumla ghalat kilha hai ke Aameen ki jagha fatiha ka zikr kar diya), yani, ye baat kuch ajeeb si lagti hai ke ‘takbeer-e-owla fot ho jaye, fatiha fot ho jaye, Aameen fot na ho?, yani ke humye kisi Hadith main ye to nahin milta ke Aameen fot ho jaye to namaz nahin ho ti. Kia aap ko mili? Mujhye to ye lagta hai ke aap is hadith ka matlab nahin samajh sake ke Ameen to 2 ya 3 second main insane keh sakta hai, lakin phir bhi is ke fot na hunye denye ke liye Hazrat Abu Hurera(RA) ka israr. 4)Kerdaingye Hawala bhi pesh (scaned page) Isha Allah, lakin wohi baat again ke Quran, Hadith, Qol, Amal in sab ki koi ahmiyat nahin? Agar hai to apnye aik Imam ki, bohat bara muqam de rahye hain aap,??? 5)Jab aap Zehar ko Shehad main lappet ker pesh karaingye to us ki taseer Zehar ki hi rahye gi, Shahad nahi ho jaye gi, (aap ka jumla tha mukhalifat-e-Ahnaf main) is ko aam shakhs bhi perhye ga to yahi samjhye ga ke khiyanat hai ya mukhalifat, ab doosrye imamon ka amal un ke sath jaye ga and ja chukka. Ab agar un ka qol Quran-o-Hadith ke khilaf nahin jata to hum in ki kisi baat ki tashi kernye wale hum kon??, hum kharye ho ker Peshab kernye ki Hadith per bhi amal ker saktye hain agar cha ke is main hum aik doosri haidth ke mukhalifat main na chalye jaien (ke Hadith ke mutabiq Peshab ke cheenton se pachna chahiye,) lehaza agar is ka koi hal ho to is Hadith per bhi amal ho sakta hai, and mukhtalif European mumalik main majbooran aisa kerna bhi perta hai, ke wahan per humarye yahan ke tarha is ke liye intizam nahin hota. Abdul Salam

Janab-e-Aali Guzarish ye hai ke tafseel se perhain, phir tafseel se guftagoo hogi, Alqabat ki taraf tawajja kerwanye ki waja ye thi ke is qism ke alqabat aik ahl-e-Hadith Aalim ke liye aik Ahl-e-Hadith Aalim nahin likh sakta, is ka matlab ye hi hai ke koi Sofi Izm per yaqeen rakhnye walye sahib ne ye alqabat likhye hain, Sah Wali Ullah Muhadith Dehalvi ne logon ko Toheed ki Dawat di thi and is ke liye kisi sanad ki zaroorat nahin (Sanad ke phar denye se koi masala nahin), is ke bawjood wo Sofi Izm ko manye walon main se bhi lagtye hain (aap ke pehs ker da sabot), to humara un se taaluq sirf mohid honye ke silsilye main hain. Is ke ilawa hum un ke kisi bhi sofi Izm se related tamam aqwal and aamal se barat ka elan kertye hain and yaqeenan tamam ulama ke taraf se bhi, Kitabon ki Hasiyat ke maani (Meaning) is main mojood aqayeed ki barye main ulama ke aqwal hain. Yaani Hazrat Ali sirf Shia hazrat ke nazdeek Hazoor-e-Akram se afzal hain, lehaza isi liye unhon(Shia, Bektashi silsilye) ne Nad-e-Aliya ko riwayat kia hai, jab ke Sunni Ulama is ke sakht mukhalif hain, Appke Ualama ka nahin pata ka matlab ye hai ke aap ke chand ulama ka is per amal hai jesa ke aap ke Ala Hazrat Ahmad Raza Khan sahib ka Jahan tak shijra ke baat hai to woh tehqeeq talab hai, Doosri baat ye ke main Arabi zuban ahl-e-Zuban ki tarha na to samajh sakta hon, na hi bool sakta hon, to zara is ka Urdu tarjuma post ker dain mehar bani hogi wese meri nazar is main mojood aik nam Ibn-e-Arabi per pari, jin se related mre sawal pehlye hi mojood hain, jahan per jawab main kaha gaya hai ke wo Ahl-e-Haq hai, jab ke ye bhi likha hai ke Halool, Wahdat-ul-Wajood dono kufria aqayeed hain???? App ke aasani ke liye is sawal ko “Sawalat from a Ghair Muqalid” per dobara post ker raha hon Abdul Salam

Shukria Toheedi bhai aap ne meri baat ki mutabiqat ki, isi soorat main hum is Hadith ka matlab letye hain, is ke ilawa Allah ke Ata karda har ilm, taqat, khososiyat ko hum mantye hain. main ne apni pichli post main yahi kaha tha. Abdul Salam

Bohat acha laga aap ke reply perh ker, istafsarat hanooz mojood hain, mulahiza kerain Aap ke jawab 1 or 2, dono ka jawab aik hi hai ke aapke Ibn-e-Arabi Halool-o-Tanasukh ko mantye thye ye aap un ke tasaneef se confirm ker sakte hain. lehaza baqool aapke aik kufr kernye wala ahle-e-Haq kesye ho sakta hai, and kia in ki Mohabbat Allah se Hazoor ke muqablye main ziyada thi??/ Aap ke jawab 3 ke liye zara apnye buzargon ki tasaneef ko dekhain, phir zara jawab dain (hawala baad main) Aap ke jawab 4 main aap ne farmaya ke dono uloom zaroori hain, kia aap Dor-e-Nabvi main is ki misal sahi hadith se de saktye hain?, yaani aap ke buzargn ka kehna ke Ahadith Murdon ka ilm hai sahi hoa??(wazeh rahye ke hum Ahadth-e-Sahihya ki baat kar rahye hain) Tasawof Zindon ka ilm to woh sab shaheed thye ya phir ravian-e-Hadith Jahanum Wasil hoye ya phir gumrah (Aauooz-o-Billah-e-Min Zalik)?? Goth Agar Goth hamesha zinda rehta hai to tama Ambia jo ke sofion ke baqol beyakwaqt Nabi bhi they and Goth bhi, un ke baad Hazrat Ali , un ke bad aik or sahib (Baqool Kemaye Saadat, translated by Mohammad Saeed Ahmed Naqshbandi) thye, unke baad Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH), alkin un ke baad koi nahin, too sawal ye zehan main aata hai ke jab Goth hamesha zinda rehta hai to phir mazeed kisi goth ki kia zaroorat? Doosri ye agar bilfaraz ye maan bhi lia jaye ke mazeed Goth mojood hain zinda hain to phir to masala ho jayga ke tamam ke pas takvinee hakoomat hasil hai to aik kaenaat ke itnye hukmaran, wah kia hi shirk ka darwaza khola hai? Mazeed ye ke agar madad hi mangni hai to Allah se kion nahin, chalo is ke baad aap ke baqool tamam aqsam ki madad Nabi se kion nahin, is ke baad Hazrat Ali se kion nahin, is ke baat goth sahib se kion nahin, bulke in sab ke ilawa sofi-izm main peer sey ya phir some time Ulama se Mujtahid ka Qol Wazeh rahye ke Usool-e-Karkhi is qisim ki koi pabandi nahin lagata, doosra jab koi hal Quran se nahin milta to Ahadith main dhoondhtye hain, agar wahan bhi nahin milta to Qayas, ya fiq ki baat kertye hain, aab aap ke baqool ray mujtahid ki hoti hi wahin hai jahan dono ka aapas main ya aik doosri jagha warid hoi ayat ya hadith se taaruz ki soorat main Mujtahid ka qol amal ke liye ho ga?? zara is ki kuch misalen dey dain Nad-e-Aliya ki details main ne dobara post ki hain zara perh lain, phir jawab denye main aasani ho gi aap ko Abdul Salam

Janab -e- Aali Qramta (shia) ka Bektashi Silsilye main ye riwayet maqbool hai ke “Jang-e-Ahad main Rasool-e-Akram zakhmi hogye or aapke jism mubarik se khoon jari hogaya to Jibraeel aap ke pass aa ker kaha ke Naad-e-Ali wali dua parho (yani Hazrat Ali ko Madad ke liye pukaro), Jab Aap ne ye dua Parhi to Hazrat Ali maddad ko aaye or kuffar ko qatal kerkye Hazoor-e-Akram(SAW) ko or tamam musalmano ko qatal honye se bachaliya (Derveshon ka Bektashi silsila, (Dr. J K Bridge Page 138, 1937)" Aqeedat ka Gholu insane ko tehqeeq-o-drayat se begana ker deta hai is ka andaza is se lagaga ya ja sakta hai ke Syed Muzaffar Ali Shah Chishti apni kitab (Jawahir-e-Ghebi) main likhtye hai ke "Gazwa-e-Tabook ke moqye per jab lashkar-e-Islam shikast ke qareeb tha or Hazoor-e-Akram panah liye hoye thye to us waqta Jibraeel aaye or Hazoor-e-Akram se Nad-e-Aliye wali dua perhnye ko kaha, unhon ne ye na socha ke, a)ye riwayat ahan se aayee, ? b)is ka matlab kia hai, ? c)Jang-e-Ahad Ghazwa-e-Tabook se kesye tabdell ho gai, ? d) Ghazw-e-Tabook main sirye se Qattal hoa hi nahin.? (Syed Muzaffar Ali Shah Chishti, Jawahir-e-Ghebi, Page 641, Lakhnao 1887) Isi ko aapke buzurg Ala-Hazrat Ahmed Raza khan sahib ne apnye risale Al-Aman-o-Aala main page 12 and 13 per is ko zikr kia hai? Abdul Salam

Dear The reply of your post in detail i shall post later, meanwhile i jsut wanted to share a book with you, please take a look Abdul Salam

Agar aap is kitab ko delete na karain to.... Aik risala aap ki khidmat main pesh kerta hon, from a Humbali Ahl-e-Hadith zara tawajjah farmain, ye taqreeban wohi batain hain jo main mukhtalif moqon per aap ke gosh guzar chuka hon, lakin yahan per aik tarteeb main mojood hain Abdul Salam Phir Milaingye (Insha Allah)

Dear Mr. Ya-Muhammada sahib Mujhye afsoos hai ke aap ne meri post ko sahi tarha se samjhye baghair reply kernye main jaldi ki, behar hal, ye to zahir hai ke jo bughz bhara hai usye bahir to nikalna hain or is ke liye sahi ya ghalat to dekhna hi ghalat hota hai…. Wesye main ne apni post Buhatan se related jo ki thi is main quoted words and line zara dobara mulahiza karain Rapist and Killer, jis ke silsilye main main pehlye hi reply kar chukka hon ke agar koi sabot hai to laayen, kisi suni sunai baton per tawajja na dain, warna aik mazeed hadith ke misdaq “Hazoor-e-Akram ( ) farmatye hain ke “aik shakhs ke jhootye honye ke liye ye hi kafi hai ke who jo kuch suntan hai usye man leta hai/baghair tehqeeq ke man leta hai”. Jee han hum bhi aap ke aqayed logon tak ponhchatye hain sabooton ke sath jo ke tehriri hotye hain (aap ke likhi hoi kitabian and is per aap ke ulama ka qol-e-amal) lehaza is barye main aap khud apnye ulama se pooch lain Mazeed ye ke aap Allama Shami ki baat ker rahye hian, to janab mujhye apni lailmi ko mannye main koi etraz nahin ke main ne in sahib ka nam abhi tak nahin suna tha (ya ye keh saktye hain ke kisi ur nam se maaroof ho to suna hon lakin is nam se nahin), lehaza is barye main kuch nahin keh sakta, Mazeed ye ke Allama Shami sahib ka zikr aap ne kia hai wo un ki apni raye maloom hoti hai jab ke ilzam lagantey hoye aap ko chahiye ke koi hawala un (Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab) ki kitab se dain ya un ka aqeeda un ki kisi tasneef se sabit karain (jesa ke aap log bayan kertye hain) arna sirf apni hi boltye janye se aap ki baat sachi nahin ho jati. Bar sabeel-e-tazkara, America ke sabiq sadar se kaha tha ke “jhoot ko itni baar bolo ke wo sach lagnye lagye”, to kia aap log isi per amal pera hain? Janab, Jahan tak Jameel Iraqi sahib ke baat hai to mera istafsar wahi hai ke kia koi sabot hai?, if yes then show it, agar nahin to sirf apnye amal ko sabit kernye ke liye sirf “aik jhoot per doosra jhoot” nahin chal sakta kion ke jhoot ke paoon nahin hotye Jahan tak ye kehna ke “kia humarye tamam abaa’-o-ajdad shirk per marye hain ya shirk main mubtala thye, to janab ye to wahi baat hai jo ke Mushrekeen-e-Makkah ne, and is ke ilawa tamam ambia ke aqwam ne kaha jab un ko in hastion ne haq ke dawat di, to kia wo log bhi Toheed per thye? Nahin… to janab phir ye kehna bilkul bhi sahi nahi ke jo log guzar chuke (aap ke abaa’-o-Ajdad) wo toheed per thye (Quran jis Toheed ki dawat deta hai us per) Yahan mera matlab aap ke jazbat ko thes (hit) ponhchana nahin hai bulke ye batana tha ke un logon ne bhi yahi claim kia tha ke hum wo kertye hain jo humarye aba’a-o-Ajdad kertye thye, lehaza ye yaqeenan behtar hai per indeed it was not. And agar ye sab sabith ho jata hai to main in ko mannye se baraa’t ka izhar ya elan kertye hoye bilkul bhi nahin jhijhkonga Insha Allah. Abdul Salam

Yes you are right again and yes Zul Khawasair was also from the Banu Tamim, but just due to it can you reject the Hadith of Abu Hurair , i'm sure you can't. Abu Huraira narated " I start loving the Banu Tamim when i heared these three words from Hazoor-e-Akram ones the Zakwat received from Banu Tamim, the Prophet ( ) says, " this Zakwat received from my peoples, Second the Prophet says the peoples of Banu Tamim will be very strict on the Dajjals of my Ummah Third, once a laday was serving the Hazrat Ayesha , the Prophet said, free her they are from the peoples of Ismaeel (Muslim) what about now? Basically we have to keep every aspect in mind and do not become blind in hate, Abdul Salam

The Hadiths you quoted, sahi and i believed on it as well, But as far as Ahl-e-Hadith are concerns, can you tell me that ever ever you heared or you know that the any owner of the tallest buildings or owner of the hotels, resturnet etc are the Ahle-e-Hadith or they are encurageing the peoples to do so or involve in buying or using it, i'm sure you didn't and neither you can. So i would request you to please read my post thoroughly and post the reply if you wanted to do so. Abdul Salam

First of all, dear can you please post the article of Mr. Aa’id Al-Qarni in English or Urdu? Till then I will not be able to reply on your post thoroughly. In the meantime I would like to share one Ayah and one Hadith from Muslim. Ayah (Allah forgive me for any mistake) These are the fellows of Muhammad (God Peace be Upon Him) are very good with each other and very strict with the enemies of Muslims (probably the word is Mushrik) So you could apply the same word (I think he meant to say ) to all Muslims who love them and are on way of the truth. Hadith. (Allah forgiveme for any mistake) Abu Hurera narrated, Hazrat Muhammad says the Banu Tameem (peoples of Banu Tameem) are/would be very strict on the Dajjal of our ummah (Muslim Shareef) So again the words seems same here as I think he meant to say Well again it is not the reply of Mr. Qarnis article, it is only a reply of word Harsh about the Arabs And it is not the reply of the word Rude Abdul Salam

Dear Mr. Jeddawi Welcome to the Munazra Rad-e-Bad Madhab First of all would you please introduce yourself as it would be easy to understand your thoughts and define the information as per your thoughts? Secondly here you’ve mentioned documentary against the Ahl-e-Hadith issued from British Channel, so they are more trustful resource against the Ahl-e-Hadith while it against the Quran and Hadith, if I’m not wrong (May Allah forgive me for mistake)“that the Jews, Christens cannot be your friends” so you are against of it? You also forget the Ayah of Quran that “when a (Fasiq) corrupt or sinful person brings/gives you some news, search for the truth (it means do not believe on it as it is), have you did so? The Jews, Christens, and Hindus knows that the only Ahl-e-Hadith (who love the way of Quran and Sunnah) are the strict with them and after them the Mujahideen of Deoband and as well as Shia Jihadees (not accepting the Shia thoughts or believes), from Hanafi (Specially from Brelvi’s) no one could do anything against Ahle-Hadith that’s why they are propagating the fake or misinterpreted information around the world and guys like you believes on it. Here few question I drived from your post are, 1) You said Salafi’s (Ahl-e-Hadith) misinterpret the Quran and Sunnah it their own way not in the way of Muhaddetheen or Mufassereen or the Imam’s of four school of thoughts 2) You said Abdul Wahhab was the kind of CIA/British agent to conquer the Arab and made it Saudi Arab and it was just for the sake of Oil and Power 3) You also said Ahl-e-Hadith are trying to divide the Muslim Ummah and causing to show the bad Face of Islam in front of outer world 4) You further said, So called Jihad is not but fighting against their enemy or war against Muslims, Al-Qaida was the adapted of America and funded by them as well. 5) You said Ahl-e-Hadith do not believe or respect Imams of 4 School of Thoughts and contempt them. Well the answers are very lengthy and I’m afraid that I’ll be lost somewhere ells in answering it, well I’ll try my best to be stick with the questions only 1) Can you please show us the misinterpretation of Quran and Hadith with proper reference?, while I can show you (Insha Allah) with reference that we took and quote the Tafaseer from Tafseer Ibn-e-Kasser, we took and believe all the Tafseer which is not against of Quran and Hadith 2) Can you show us the single evidence with proper and reference (not the fake and so called history writer’s stories) that Mr. Wahab did so. If he did it then it would be his own and personal decision and act and we condemned it as well (but if he did so) 3) I think you’ve not read the thoughts and calls of Ahl-e-Hadith, and I’m sure you haven’t. if yes then just eyeballed them did not bothered to ponder in it. The reason is the Ahl-e-Hadith call all of the Muslims to forget the thoughts of their Schools(Maslak) and come to and bring all your difference upon the Quran and Sunnah and be one and Ummah instead of the Cast (Firqah) 4) So called Jihad?? Don’t you think Israel killing the innocent peoples just for sake of his stability and stretching his boundaries?, don’t you know what India is doing in Kashmeer?, Don’t you know what Russia did and doing in Bosnia, Qasiziqistan, etc?, don’t you know why Russia wants to conquer the Afghanistan and why America now? If not then you just the their slave and living in well. Yes Al-Qaida was founded by the American Aid (while you’ve said that it was Saudi Govt. to aid them to fight against the Russia), but must agree that the reason was only Jihad (meaning is the struggle against the injustice) to help the Afghan peoples not for conquer it or to get the benefit from it. And now they’ve become the independent organization and aginst the America and all the countries those are against the Muslims around the world (it doesn’t mean that I believe on Al-Qaida or love them, even I’ve some reservations with them as well). 5) Again you’ve not read the books of Ahl-e-Hadith and came here with wrong knowledge you got from here and there, please read books of Ahl-e-Hadith Ulama and find out the believes they have. We do respect to all four Imams of School of Thoughts (Hanafi, Shafai, Maliki and Hambali) and accept all their sayings which is not in against of Quran and Hadith, which is again the sayings of these Imams as well that, “accept whatever you found in accordance of Quran and Hadith and throw the all sayings (Qoul) which is against the Quran and Hadith”. I think these answers are good enough to understand the Ahl-e-Hadith point of view Abdul Salam

Janab Tooheedi sahib Bilkul Allah ki Ata se hum tama un muamlat ka iqrar kertye hain jo sabit hain. mas-ala ye hai ke aap ko ilm nahin ke hum kia mantye hain and kia nahin. Secondly Zara ye bhi bata dain ke Is din Farishtoon ke nazool ka kis wajah se zikr hai?? kion ke humarye nazdeek ye aik ur hadeeth se mutabiqat rakhti hain jis main Farishtye in perhnye walye Daroods ko Hazoor-e-Akram ki khidmat main ponhchatye hain Abdul Salam

Janab Tauheedi sahib First of all, baraye meharbani is post ko again mereye sawalat wali post main paste kerdain 2- janab is kitab ka cover page khud keh raha hai ke is kitab ka ihtimam kisi Mian Aziz Ahmed and Sofi Muhhammad Farooq samon ne kia hai and lkhtye hain is ke top per with Bhat sarye alqabat jo ke khud hi aqeedah ki wazahat kartye hain ke “almasoom” (Intabah fi salasal Awliya Allah) 3- In tamam kitbon, sanad ki us waqat tak koi hesiyat nahin jab tak ye Muhaddetheen ya ulama ki nazron se na guzrye and is per unhon ne kuch na kaha ho. jubkye Aaj ke tama ulama is ke khilaf hain, ab aap ke ulama ka kuch nahin keh sakta ab aap yaqeenan atak(Stuck) jayegye ke aap (Ghair Muqallid) ke hi shaik-e-kul Nazeer sahib, Shah Wali Ullah Muhadith dehalvi etc ka is per amal hai, (jab ke sabit nahin ker saktye) Agar bilfarz in ka amal ye hi tha jesa ke aap bayan kar rahye hain to janab Allah hi un ka Hami -o- Nasir hai main kia keh sakta hon, (Allah behtar janta hai) 4- mera sawal zara ghor se perhain jo ke "Sawalat from a Ghair Muqallid" main wazahat se mojood hai ke kia is se Hazoor-e-Akram ki shan main gustakhi nahin ho rahi??? Aap ke Aala Hazra Ahmad Raza Khan sahib ne is ko riwayat kia hai……? (is Dua ke Nazool ke waqt ka khayal rakhtye hoye farmain) jab ke is Waqt-e-Nazool ke silsilye main aik Tareekhi ghalati bhi mojood hai.. Agar aap ke nazdeek Ya Ali, Ya Ali ghum-o-takleef main nida karna, musiibat ke waqt pukarna ghalat nahin hai to phir Shia Hazrat to matam sahi kertye hain, Ya Ali Ya Alu sahi pukartye hain, phir wo alag firqa kion? Kia sirf is liye ke wo Shaba-e-Ikram se nafrat kartye hai, to aik Haram kam kerye hain… kia aap ke nazdeek haram kam kernye se koi shakhs mumin nahin rehta?? We mujhye pata hai ke Shia ka Aqeedah kia hai, is liye ziyada behas main nahin perna chahta hon, Jawab is se related post per dain meharbani hogi, in other case main to kuch ker to nahin sakta Abdul Salam

Janab Nasir sahib my reply is still same as last one.............. please read in detail word to word and line to line. there i've mentioned some thing??? It seems you don't want any one to think about your believes! well aap ab jo bhi jawab likhain main khamosh rahonga... reason you know well. Abdul Salam

Janab ab intizar khatam hochuka ke main ne apnye sawalat "Sawalat froma a Ghair Muqalid" per paish ker diey hain leaza wahan se daikh ker Jawabat dain, Mehar bani hogi Abdul Salam

Janab Nsir sahib ye meri ghalti thi ke main ne is post per Ghusl-e-Kaa'ba ke jawab main Ghilaf-e-Kaa'ba ki details post kerdi Yaqeenan ye post bhi zaya nahin gai ho gi (ke aik doosri post per is ka sawal bhi kia gaya tha shaid isi waja se main ne is ko woh hi sawal samjha tha) main jawabat breakcup main denye ka aadi hon (mostly line break and tabs ke saath... to lehaza meri kosish hoti hai ke koi jawab Dosrye se na mill jaye. Main ne sawalat ke barye main kaha ke pehlye merye sawalt ke jawabat de dian kion ke aap ka paish karda sawal sirf aik naye amal (aap ke baqool bidaa't) ke barye main hain jis se aqedah per koi zarab nahin perti. Lakin merye pesh kardha sawalat sarihan aqeedah ke barye main hai jis ke baad asani ho jati hai sawalat kernye ki, sawalat ke jawabat denye ki, and har sawal ko isi tanazur main dekhnye ki, kion ke insan jo aqeedah rakhta hai wo inhi aqeedon ke contaxt main sawalat karta hai and jawab se satify hota hai.. yaqeenan ab meri baat samajh main aa gai hogi Behtar hoga ke Jawab again dye dain, kion ke baad main koi ye na keh sakye ke hum ye nahin mantye ya hamara ye aqeedha nahin hai ab agar still aap ka israr aap ke pesh karda sawal (Rasm-e-Ghusl-e-Kaa'ba) hai to main ye kehnye main haq bajanib honga ke aap loogon ke tawajjah is Aqeedah ki taraf se batanye ki koshish ker rahye hain... jes ke main ne kaha ke sarihan aik amal (Baqool Aap ke Bidaa't) ka masala hai to is se pehlye aqeedah ko samajh lena behtar hai. Abdul Salam

Zara wazahat karain Aqeeda-e-Kufr ki??? aap aik ahl-e-Hadith per Aqeedah-e-Kufr sabit hi nahin ker saktye.......agar sabit ho jaya to ahle-e-Hadith hi nahin, kafir/murtad hogaya..... yaqinan itna to jantye hongye aap. dhond lain (Insha Allah bat ghalat nahin hogi) By the way (bar sabil-e-tazkara) aik Hadith apnye alfaz main (hawala main abhi nahin sakonga) share karmna chahta hon "Gheebat ke barye main Masoom Imam, Imam-e-Aazam, Hazoor-e-Akram ka farman-e-aalishan hai ke jis ne kisi ki burai us ki ghair mojoodgi main bayan ki (nam ke sath), us ne gheebta ki, gheebat braber hai apnye murda bhai ka gosht khana, Sahaba ne araz kia aur agar us main waqiaatan ye burian mojood ho to? Hazooor-e-Akram ne farmaya gheebat hi hai, Warna agar is main wo burai mojood nahin to ye Bohtan hai.. jo ke Gheebat se bhi bara gunah hai (kabeera). (Quran main bhi Bohtan ke barye main Aayet warid hoi hain) ab aap apna amal dekhain?? bugz-o-nafrat main insan kahan tak chala jata hai ke jo cheez sabit hi nahin wo bhi buhtan laga diya. Jab HAzoor-e-Akram ke zamanye main Mushrikon, Yahood, Nasranion, Hanood, Aatish Paraston ke liye ye hukam nahin tha (ke un ke bebian(Wife) and betian(Daughters), Main(mothers) Musalmanon per halal hain) to phir baad ke waqat main ye kesye ho sakta hai??? Kuch bhi likhnye se khamoosh rehna behtar hai....nafrat main aisa bhi kia ke Aqal se insan begana ho jaye?? Rahi baat aap ke appos kernye ki to janab Well Come , Khush Aamded, Jam Jam Aao, janab hum to hain hi..... Abdul Salam

Janab Toheedi sahib, Allah na karye ke main Hadith ka munkir banon. secondly again aap sarf-e-nazar se kam le rahye hain warna mera istafsar is silsilye main wazeh hai is Hadith ke barye main, Ravion ke barye main, Muhaditheen kia kehtye hain?? ye nahin kaha ke main kia kehta hon......! dosri baat Agar ye hadith sahi bhi hai to mujhye manna hi chahiye lakin mera sawal ye tha ke aap is hadith se Sunnye ke ilawa ur mazeed kia sabit karna chahtye hain? kion ke mujhye yaqeen hai ke aap baad main is hadth ka hawala de kar kuch mazeed bhi sabith kerna chahaingye....(Waitng fo it) Third and very important Allah ki ata ko hum har haal main mantye hain..... ab aap farmayen Abdul Salam

Janab Toheedi sahib you seems belongs to Jamaat ul muslimeen?? well janab sirf kitab ka zikr kerdainye se, sanad ke bata denye se Hadith sahi sabit nahin ho jati, is ke liye to ye bhi dekhna perta hai ke muhaditheen kia kehtye hain, ya is per koi jirah o taa'deel hai ya nahin, sanad ke ravion main koi ghair siqa to nahin...etc. well scondly ye bhi bata dain ke is hadith se kia sabit kerna chah rahye hain aap... kion ke aap ne abhi sirf aik baat mentin ki hai ke "Hazoor-e-Akram Qabr main bhi sunn rahye hain na ke Alam-e-Bazrakh main" ab ye bhi bata dain ke further kia sabit kar na chahtye hain, behtar hoga ke numbers main likh dain i.e. 1)........... 2)........ 3)..... etc. Abdul Salam

Janab Nasir sahib Zara meri complete post perhain phir kuch kehain, secondly doosra mozu doosri post per hai yahan per nahin...... yahan ke sawal ke jawab ke barye main to "work in progress" hai Abdul Salam

Janab Shamsheer-e-Aala Hazrat sahib Please accept bundle of thanks by heart from me, I'm realy thank full to you. aap ne video share karke bohat bohat bara kam kia, Ab jabke Dr. Zakir Naik ne Tehriri toba ker hi li hai, to mera is silsilye main kuch kehna koim khas maana (Meaning) nahin rakhta.... Lehaza aap ye batain ke what els you want now?? ye tuba to tareekh ka hissa ban gai and i'm very greatfull and happy about it, but what about the aqeedha i asked about you peopls, Abdul Salam

IslamiMehfil.info > General Islami Mehfil > !!-- Munazra & Radd-e-Badmazhab --!! > Wahabi Ghair Muqalid > Sawalat from a Ghair Muqalid. ye link nahin hai bulke just telling that where the questions are Abdul Salam