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  1. Post: #26 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم Dear MohammadAli, I will mostly ignore the first portion of your discussion since you weren't able to get the gist of my argument however I will address a few points which you have put forth.You said :"Who said it goes in favour and who presented it as evidence to prove Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is a hearng seeing type of witness? No one, then why are you questioning me. I questioned you to establish your fault because you was using this Tafsir to refute seeing hearing type of witnessing of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) saying that a
  2. Post: #21 Your wrote: "I remember the same type of anaology was first put up by Mufti Ahmed Yar Khan Naeemi in His Ja Alhaq and similarly by Molvi Mohammad Umar Acharvi Sahab in his Miqiyas E Hanafiyat a long time ago and you seem to follow in their footsteps." Stating that I have followed the footsteps of Ulamah of Ahle Sunnat is no sufficent ground to reject what I have presented. I presume you intended to refute the creed of Muslims by writing the above because Wahhabi's and Deobandi's both are conditioned to refute the Ahle Sunnat by arguing you are only following ancestors. Commonly thes
  3. Post: #19 I don't think anyone with an ounce of brain will contest that Shahid means is one who is Hazir as well as Nazir. This is so basic and it was so undisputed that I doubt anyone ever even concieved challenging this prior to emergence of Wahhabism in India and Deobandism. In Taskeen al Khawatir Fi Masla Hadhir wa Nazir, the refferences are presented: http://www.mediafire.com/download/it10o181lsylm8k/taskeenul+khwater.pdf Is there any stronger proof then these two verses which prove Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) was sent as a hearing seeing type of witness: "O Prophet! T
  4. Post: #18 You questioned: "Did the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) approve of the hearing and seeing type of witnessing if not negate it?" No Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) did not explicitly state that he will be hearing seeing type of witness in that Tafsir. And why are you even asking me this question any way? Did I claim that this Tafsir of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) refutes those who say Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is not Hazir Nazir? You employed the Tafsir issue: "Moreover our Holy Prophet Sallallaho Alayhi Wasallam has himself explained th
  5. Mr Haq3909 Did Not Format His Response Properly Hence To Make It Easier For The Readers To Distinguish Between What I Wrote And He Wrote I Formatted It On His Behalf. Post: #16 Did the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) approve of the hearing and seeing type of witnessing if not negate it? How does the understanding that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) was sent as a hearing seeing type of witness go in favour of the Tafsir which Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) gave? I mean how can you deduce the meaning of Hazir o Nazir for the word "Shahid" from Prophet (sallallah
  6. Post: #13 Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) gave interpretation of the verse but did he negate the hearing and seeing type of witnessing? Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) stated people will bear witness in defence of Prophets and he will bare witness upon the people. How does that mean Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is not hearing seeing type of witness? How does the understanding that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) was sent as a hearing seeing type of witness go against the Tafsir which Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) gave? Comming to the point i
  7. Post: #10 Most of the material which you have brought up has been discussed in the following dicussion with a brother. Just visit the thread, and if you have any specific text, hadith, verse which you think is strong proof against Hadhir Nadhir please refer it to me via private message. Note I will not be dealing with copy paste jobs. I know exactly where you copied the English material from and trust me its not very impressive. For sake of your hereafter stop copy pasting material and give the brain a chance to understand the matters your self: http://www.islamimeh...-hadhir-nadhir/ Mos
  8. Please Open Another Tab With Same Thread And On It Click On The Links To View Them While You Read The Discussion. Alternatively Please Click On This Link And It will Take You Direct To The Post Where Images Are Visible; #3, Thank You.
  9. The following discussion took place here: #1 (please click to view the thread). The discussion on Hadhir Nazir (i.e. Shahid/Witnessing) of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) branched into two discussions. The main Urdu discussion was between learned and honourable brother Khalil Rana and our equally learned and honourable brother Saeedi and our Deobandi antagonist, Haq3909. May Allah reward both of them for their effort and elevate their ranks, Ameen, and guide brother Haq3909 to the understanding of Islam, Ameen. The English discussion was between my self and Mr Haq3909. It is essential t
  10. Is ko apnay haal par chor denh. Ek banda discuss karta heh toh mukhalifeen kay points ka jawab deta heh. Jab yeh pans jata heh toh chup ho jata heh aur intizar karta heh kay baat thori agay baray ya phir kissi point ko leh kar shoroon ho jata heh. Misaal kay tor par, Musalman hindu say kehta heh yeh idols tumaray khuda kesay hen yeh kuch be nahin kar saktay. Hindu khamosh rahay ... jab kohi likhay idols toh bot hen sab lartay keun nahin apis meh. toh phir wapis aa kar ... sab meh ittifaq heh, agar kohi kahay woh toh lartay thay tumaray mazhab meh yeh daleel heh ... phir chup ... musalman, gane
  11. Abh kush hen kuen kay aap nay apna damagh istimal karna shoroon ker deeya heh. Wesay aap ko kush hona chahyeh thah kay aap nay khud likha heh. but we are happy on your behalf. Lol!
  12. Salam alayqum, Hazrat yeh sahib CopyPaste wali sarkar hen, jab CopyPaste khatam toh yeh summun buqmun ho jahayn gay balkay ab ho chukay hen. Agar jawab deeya toh kissi aur kay qanday par rakh ker thop chalay gee. Jab inoon nay kuch likha toh meh aap ko jahan say yeh COPYPASTE keren gay woh aap ko website bata doon ga.
  13. Reading, makes you qualified to discuss with me? You can/t even read properly you dont know how to read properly. You couldnt wouldnt undrstand the chaper on Raf ul Yadain in Jaa Al Haq. Reading is not key, interpreting is the key to properly understanding a book. Lastly the sunnis present scanned pages, books are referenced, thats not plagiarism, there is diffrence between plagiarism and pasting scanned pages. Which Sunni here quoted a books scanned page and you or I or anyone else thought he wrote it. By copy pasting word for wrod fullstop to full stop without even declaring whre you got th
  14. Chor denh is ko, is dafa maaf ker denh is ko luzoom aur iltizam meh farq nahin pata. Balkay is ka matlab toh Haq Nawaz Jhangvi ko be nahin thah woh be Mualana Ashraf Ali Sehalvi (rahimullah) say munazray meh iltizam e kufr kee daleel mang raha tha luzoom e kufr kee nahin. Hazrat nay ek doh dafa samjaya kay luzoom yeh heh iltizam yeh heh ... phir kehnay laga mujjay bataho luzoom kis ko kehtay hen iltizam kia cheez heh ... war palat ker kernay laga halan kay ussay luzoom aur iltizam ka farq be nah pata thah. Is nay maan leeya heh Urdu achi tera nahin aati is leyeh is ko chor denh. Wesay mujjay y
  15. There is harm, its a discussion between two people, and your contribution is zero. The harm is that if you havent written the material you will not understand the connecting issues to it. Which in other words means you are a idiot who cannot see fault because you do not have required knowledge to realize your mistake. I really don't need you to copy paste anything, i know exactly where you copy paste from. Discussion will be benefitial for me is when you come with something original. If you are copy pasting what I heard and what i know inside out and out side in its hardly a dicusion. Its like
  16. Salam alayqum, Baee aap nay Sunniyoon kee baat kee meh aap ko Deobandiyoon kee bata hoon. Mujjay ek banda milla takeaway par joh parshani meh thah meh nay ussay saath leeya gar aya. Uss ke parshani maloom huwi toh dostoon ko saath leh ker haal kay leyh nikla keun kay jis jaga par woh kam karta thah us ka malik us ko tankhawa nahin deh raha thah teen char maheenoon kee tankhawa us nay daba kar rakhi thee. Ham nay ussay ja kar daraya dabkaya aur kaha ham police ko report keren gay kay tum illegally workers kam par lagatay ho. Jis ka fine 18 hazar pound fee banda heh. Us nay 350 pound deeya b
  17. No Mr CopyPaste I am not on about Ahadith/Verses, you copy pasted atleast 50% of material from various Deobandi/Wahhabi websites, word by word, coma by coma, fullstop by fulstop. We ill see what supports me who supports my aqeedah.
  18. Agar yeh meri bukhlahat heh toh tum is kush fehmi meh mat rehna. Bachoon ko zeb nahin deta kay woh baroon kee tera bateh keren. Apni oqat banday ko boolni nahin chahyeh. in sha allah joh response a raha he us meh tummeh joh tumari ilmi oqat be yaad ahay gee aur jin say tum nay copy paste keeya un kee oqaat kee. Bat chand dinoon kee heh. Jin ko tum nay apnay mazhab kay dalahil bana ker pesh keeya thah un say he meh Hazir Nazir sabat keroon ga. Keun kay, bina ishq kay joh partay hen bukhari, ata heh bukhar un ko ati nahin bukhari,
  19. Abu Hajira Sahib nay ban kis ko keeya thah jab bardasht nah ho sakka toh ban ker deeya. Thanvi kay mureed ka kalma pernay per jab lachar huwa toh ban ker deeya. Meray pass abhi be Abu Hajirah ko jawab Tazhir Un Naas ka likha thah mojood heh aur 34 pages thah magar ban ho janay kee waja say paste nah ker sakka aur doh dahee maheenay pehlay mera harddrive kharab ho janay kee waja say sab kuch waste ho gaya, jis ka zikr is thread ki post 2 kay aakhir meh keeya thah: http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/21844-hazrat-ameer-mawaiya-radi-allahu-tala-anhu-cursed-ali-radi-allahu-tala-anhu/ Joh meh na
  20. Bura ronay say behtr heh chup ker jaho agar kuch nahin ata toh. Bas ho gaya uqabir ka difa aur tum nay Shaheedoon kee list meh naam abh darj kerwa leeya heh is leyeh khamoshi behtr heh. Agar kuch ata heh toh moteram Saeedi aur moteram Khalil Rana Sahib kee posts ka jawab doh. Warna chup ker jaho, tumaray say ziyada paray likhay aur qabil banday yahan per apni mitti paleed kerwa ker baag chukay hen. Abh hamara tumaray rad meh kuch likhna esa heh jesay murday aur zinda meh larahi ho aur ham murdeh ko latenh maren, utho laro laro ... Abh muj sharmingi aur tars a raha heh tumari lachari dekh ker.
  21. Salam alayqum, Baee aap nay acha aur hunda jawab likha. Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) aap ko jaza e khair deh, ameen.
  22. Salam alayqum Mughal baee yeh toh 2 bahiyoon ka zikr heh tesray ka zikr kahan heh jis nay kaha meh Nabi peda ho gaya hoon. Ek nay kaha Allah peda ker sakta heh, dosra nay kaha peda ho toh farq nahin parta, aur tesray nay kaha meh ba-hasiyat e nabi peda huwa hoon aur farq nahin para. Tesray ka dawa be add ker denh. Poori story achi lagti heh agar adi miss ho toh phir maza nahin. Aap nay sari story likh deeh magar aap nay story kee ending nahin batahi. Woh be poster meh bata dnh.
  23. I Am Writting Reponse It Will Take Atleast A Week To Fully Complete And I Suspect It Will Be 30 Plus A4 pages. I apologise for this news, but my response just has reached 30 A4 pages and I am not even half way through completing my response therefore I revise my original estimate and say 50 A4 pages.
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